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Parallel containment thread for out of character discussions related to the roleplay thread.
1713 replies and 206 files omitted.
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Brie should get a bonus to bluff checks cuz mask .,_,.
GM Pony
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>>181370
Do you trust people wearing masks?
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>>181371
I'll grant that that bonus would be removed for the sense motive check (the penalty to charisma is precisely to account for his overall suspiciousness), but it would be harder to spot/easier to conceal tells that account for the perception of the bluff
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Alternately, n/pcs could get a penalty,....
Anonymous
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>>181375
only a -1 to.spot cuz its otherwise form fitting?
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>>181353
Posey already said out loud that it was cursed. The journals we read implied that it was cursed. Brie by now knows that it is a cursed items, and the cause of the Captain's aberrant behavior.
>>181356
Even with her 30 on Arcana, Posey does not know the abilities of the tiara or even how it could be useful to her. She wants it because it is pretty, it is cursed (spooky = based), and it matches her color scheme: she sees herself in it. The crown as is not useful to anyone and is only a hazard to its bearer, but that isn't enough to deter Posey.
>>181356
It should be common knowledge in this setting that magic items exist, and that cursed items can drive you insane if not handled appropriately. He might've heard a rumor of a situation in Ponyville (Knowledge: Local) a few years ago where such an incident happened with a certain blue unicorn who came in possession of a cursed amulet.
>>181358
>>181359
>And, he cant know why she would be jizzing her pants, though she did claim profession,...
Posey failed to hide that she is incredibly excited to come in possession of such a heavily cursed item. She is a huge curse geek, like an entomologist discovering a rare poisonous bug after getting stung by it. Pics related.
It might be powerful if used in the right context. Who knows?
>>181370
It's called a masterwork tool. They're not expensive. Buy one.
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>>181387
>Even with her 30 on Arcana, Posey does not know the abilities of the tiara or even how it could be useful to her.
It channels divine energy. Do you want like, specific spells?
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>>181387
Yes, and one of the questions Brie intends to ask is "whats this about a curse? Like in fairy tales?"
Brie knows magic exists, has even dealt with some useful ones, but has no comprehension and is, not suspicious of but more mindful toward. He has loads of question once we're 86 the freighter (kek)
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>>181388
No. I want to figure it out gradually myself. Clues would be fun though.
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>>181387
Also, all of bries stuff except the revolver and suppressor is masterwork
Anonymous
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>>181338
What are her stats? Have you factored in racial bonii?

I like that you're putting deep thought into what class to choose, and you can choose whatever justification you want, but you don't need to factor in upbringing if you don't want to. Choosing Amber's class as bard was very easy for me: I had a mental image of a farmer pony with a music-related cutie mark who wanted to learn music, and the party never had a bard before. She could've been any class (she isn't even very good at music yet) and with research I might have chosen something other than a base class. As for Cavaliere, I knew he had to be a ranger for gunslinger-related feats. He wouldn't have an animal companion and I wanted him to be very good at unarmed combat so I chose to multiclass into monk. I was close to choosing a rogue multiclass instead but that would work better for a different character concept. Like with Brie, the monk multiclass is for mechanical benefit rather than character lore.

The discussion on religion and clerics is very interesting!

>>181347
>Celestia is a Solar
Actually that would make a lot of sense.
>I think Clerics who devote themselves to one of the elements over all of them could make sense.
Okay but where would the alicorns fit in? They also each represent a crucial aspect of harmony and life. Celestia represents the sun, warmth, and everything related to it. Luna represents the night, dreams, etc. Cadance represents love and family. Twilight is already the Element of Magic but also represents friendship and learning.

>>181392
Why wouldn't his weapon of all things be masterwork?
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>>181404
>Okay but where would the alicorns fit in? They also each represent a crucial aspect of harmony and life. Celestia represents the sun, warmth, and everything related to it. Luna represents the night, dreams, etc. Cadance represents love and family. Twilight is already the Element of Magic but also represents friendship and learning.
You could just start them as demigods and have harmonist priests who follow their teachings.
>Actually that would make a lot of sense
Just remove the shapeshifting ability and replace it with something else.
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>>181404
One doesnt tend to deface the serial numbers nor possess illegally in commission of a crime such masterpieces (especially threading such a barrel!)
Anonymous
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No.181421
His suit, mask, boots, gloves, blades (2 killing, 10 throwing), all are tho
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>>181415
So Posey really has 55 HP, same as Silver?
Anonymous
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>>181477
Looks that way. I looked in their (posted) character sheet and the inherent build. Ngl, aside from being broken as holy fuck, it is published
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>>181477
4d12 + 6 (Bloodtouched Rite) + 8 (Desecrated on an altar) + 8 (Undead Mastery)
Yep.
The lvl 8 Warblade build based on Silver I made has twice that many hot points, wanna see the progress?
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>>181491
Now that is a lot of HP

I was just gonna say it actually makes me a little proud of Silver's stats, being on par with Posey
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>>181493
Silver has enormous stats, totaling 43 points, before mods. They're somewhat lopsided though. Those points could be more evenly distributed.
Anonymous
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>>181493
Silver's rolled stats are way above average even without counting in free points from the GM with no tradeoff scrunch
Anonymous
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>>181491
Both Rosie and Tarnished Silver (you know u wanna)
Anonymous
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>>181498
Also, not as an indictment, lets not forget Rosie's damage reduction
Anonymous
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No.181501
Short version: Brie would land one, maybe eben TWO (otherwise) devastating killshots.

And then he would be eaten by something he has no frame of reference to
Anonymous
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Final point.
Brie is a kind-of John Wick Baba Yega.

Rosey is the actual Baba Yega
Anonymous
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No.181504
But yeah, its easy to forget that characters dont know to think/look for spoopy shit, when youve spent years playing characters who know - by background, sense, or both - to watch out for and know that shit
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>>181489
You and I have a very different perspective of what broken means, tbh....
Notice how Posey has no Metamagic feats? That's because she's not doing any crazy Metamagic gimmicks, and by spellcaster standards she's low-op.
To me, broken means using the writing of Warshaper's Morphic Weapons (technically has no upper limit for how many weapons you can grow) to grow unlimited/infinite crotch tentacles for infinite attacks. Or using Summon Elemental to summon Living Holocausts (technically, they're Small Elementals), at-will. Or using the Spelldance to persist every buff spell (Or really any use of Persistent Spell with Metamagic cost reducers). Or casting Wall Of Salt, and selling the salt (it's worth its weight in silver). Or buying a candle of Invocation, and doing literally anything with it.
High HP has never been on my list of broken things.
>>181502
I was interested in building a castle that stands on chicken feet.
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>>181505
>unlimited/infinite crotch tentacles
~oco~
Anonymous
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>>181505
We get it. Your character is merely unkillable. Not infinitely powerful on the offense.
Anonymous
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>>181505
Okay, Broken may be hyperbolic. Spellstitching is kinda hax, and Im - in good faith no less - warning you now that the same concentration rules that apply to spells apply to spell like abilities
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>>181509
Will fucknoff to ooc for the remainder of this
Anonymous
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>>181507
Well, I offered to cut 16 HP off of her, along with the other benefits of her Mentor's modifications. Would you be satisfied with that?
Anonymous
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>>181511
No. I WANT Posey to be powerful. I want GM to give a threat to justify it.
Anonymous
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No.181513
You know, if she turned the Tiara into a legacy item, she could sacrifice some of her max HP to make it usable.
Anonymous
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Some of the things Rosey has applied are kinda intended to not be used together (or worse, they were e_e)
But, lemons and lemonade.
Bring on the Leviathan *clap clap*
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>>181507
I know this probably isn't helping, but I'm not even sure I'd describe her as unkillable. Exceptionally sturdy, sure, but she's already nearly died twice...or was it three times? I forget how that battle against the griffon paladin went. As for the current party - not saying anyone is currently planning anything hostile towards Posey because we really aren't - I can see a couple creatures actually posing a serious threat to her in battle. Defiant Dust absolutely could turn Posey to dust, and Silver could hold his own with the help of his sword.
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>>181515
<Not a criticism, but your conditiions for death rival.my own - Infernal Thez
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>>181512
GM has explained multiple times that the design of the campaign is for a lot of mundane threats and a few eldritch threats that should terrify the PCs, but for Posey is "just another Tuesday."

>>181515
She's not unkillable by any means, but definitely really tanky.
Anonymous
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>>181517
I know, Im trying to reframe. Rosey can be ridiculous, but that means being clutch ridiculous (and not 'yet' in a villain mastermind sense) 'for the time being'. I get it
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Im perfectly okay with Brie being amazed at what Rosey is capable of, the same as deducing what Posey up to.

The race is on, and the clock is ticking Batpon (oh, thats me)
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>>181515
>Exceptionally sturdy, sure, but she's already nearly died twice
In both of the encounters where Posey was substantially threatened (the fight with Luminous, and the hydra fight), she only barely won with single digit HP.
>>181515
>I forget how that battle against the griffon paladin went.
She had literally 1 HP left on the final round.
>Defiant Dust absolutely could turn Posey to dust
Also this. If he rolled high enough, he could instantly destroy her.
Posey is also vulnerable to any of the other various spell effects that control or destroy undead.

And if she goes to 0 HP, she's just destroyed, not dying, and she can't be raised.
And she can't benefit from conventional healing magic.

And also, she can't just go walking through machine gun fire in broad daylight in front of witnesses, can she? She's a spy, she has to keep her true nature secret.
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>>181515
>>181512
Yes yes yes yes, I know, you an just infinitely inflate the numbers on both sides until fights are superhero fights where they punch each other and shoot lasers at each other and there is no visible damage.

>>181521
>And also, she can't just go walking through machine gun fire in broad daylight in front of witnesses, can she?
Posey literally tried to do that after the Luminous fight

>>181521
In the fight with luminous, the only reason it was like that at all was because I told you No, there is not 5 damage reduction, and no, Posey is not immune to criticals. Remove that Critical - which, by your own rules for the character should not have existed - and that fight was not a single digit HP fight. Luminous got ridiculously lucky on a critical hit on a smite AND I told you to fuck off with immunity to crits AND fuck off with the damage resistance.

The hydra fight was just... Every singe round was calculating three or more different dice rolls for each attack. There were so many saving throws involved. I lost track of it because of how complicated it was. It was not fun. It was a convoluted slog.

>>181521
>Posey is also vulnerable to any of the other various spell effects that control or destroy undead.
Okay, so she's completely immune to multiple types of harm, but vulnerable to enemies specifically designed to fight undead. Do I need to redesign my entire world around fighting undead?

>And she can't benefit from conventional healing magic.
What does that matter when with her fast healing, she's back to full health in four and half minutes? Fuck healing magic that cost spell slots, just stand still for five minutes.
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>>181524
>superhero
Kaiju, please
>>181524
Addy, who can be said to be in something of the background, suddnly starts busing herself cleaning, not in anybway cuz shes guilty of kinda the same thing
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>>181506
My stat block for Chrysalis would had a level in warshaper>>181524
>Posey literally tried to do that after the Luminous fight
No, she tried to use gaseous form to escape, but at the time I didn't understand the situation.
>In the fight with luminous, the only reason it was like that at all was because I told you No, there is not 5 damage reduction
I must have missed this, because at the time Posey had given Luminous her silver sword.
> I told you to fuck off with immunity to crits
At the time, I understood it as Luminous having a feature that let him crit undead, because paladins have access to several.
>The hydra fight was just... Every singe round was calculating three or more different dice rolls for each attack. There were so many saving throws involved. I lost track of it because of how complicated it was. It was not fun. It was a convoluted slog.
Oh... Well, I had fun. Sorry that it was so complicated for you though.
>Do I need to redesign my entire world around fighting undead?
That would be interesting, but I know your question is rhetorical.
>Do I need to redesign my entire world around fighting undead
Most of her healing comes from her Charnel touch, which is an active ability that takes actions.

Idk what to say though. Would you be satisfied if I cut Posey's bonus HP?
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>>181524
>In the fight with luminous, the only reason it was like that at all was because I told you No, there is not 5 damage reduction, and no, Posey is not immune to criticals. Remove that Critical - which, by your own rules for the character should not have existed - and that fight was not a single digit HP fight. Luminous got ridiculously lucky on a critical hit on a smite AND I told you to fuck off with immunity to crits AND fuck off with the damage resistance.
I understand your perspective, but I also would like to propose a counter point: players are supposed to win.
I did enjoy that fight that ended with 1 HP, but is every fight supposed to end with me at 1 HP?
If Posey had immunity to crits, that fight would have ended with her around ~10 HP. Isn't ending a fight with 10 HP fine?

I had neglected your DR ruling during the hydra fight: without the DR/Silver or Magic, Posey would have just died. She expended all of her spell slots, took a ton of damage, and was fighting an enemy underwater with only one way to counter it's fast healing (summoning amoebas). Was your intention for her to die in that fight? Posey, an ECL 3-5 character, was fighting a monster that would have been a hard fight for an entire party of her level. Was she supposed to just lose?

I'm not trying to be adversarial, but how do you want encounters to go in your game? What's the lethality level that you are interested in?
As far as I can tell, none of the characters have died, everyone has ended their hardest encounters with around a quarter of their health. It didn't seem like high lethality was the intended atmosphere to me.
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>>181527
Ngl, thats a very compelling argument. I dont have any issue with OP characters, I have issues with OP characters who vomit blood for a whole flight, go Smeagol around spoopy.magics, and generally express an intent to entertain themselves at the expense of the party, and I admit a.dying prejudice to that conclusion
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Before I made Posey, I took this interaction into account:
>>167499 →
GM:
>Most likely, the majority of enemies that Posey will face, and certainly the vast majority of enemies faced by the party so far, have been "humanoid" type enemies with melee or ranged weapons. Ponies, Changelings, Diamond Dogs, and Griffins with talons, machetes, and bolt action rifles. Sometimes, there are zombies or animals or monsters with teeth and claws. And sometimes, there is something more exotic, like machine guns, explosives, or combat mages who use deflective shields to bolster their submachine guns. Sometimes there is armor, or cover, or many enemies. But in all instances, combat is ultimately about dice rolls and modifiers. Chance of hitting multiplied by damage against health. It's all about math. I can balance things just by changing the numbers.
>
Spells, by contrast, tend to be more qualitative, and a bit harder to quantify. When Posie has a spell that I've actually worked with before like vampiric touch that does something like, let's say 2d6 damage, I can say to myself, okay, she's doing twice the damage of a knife, let's put her up against at least one diamond dog with a knife, or maybe even put her against a pony who has a pistol that does 2d6 damage. But if Posie has [spell that I can't remember the name of] that does [I have no idea because I couldn't even name the source book], then... what do I put her against? Four changeling drones who guard a fifth and a sixth with a machine gun? It's an apples to orange comparison, so I really don't know what to expect here. Either she is going to win and win very easily to the point that it's boring, or she is going to lose and lose massively to the point that it's frustrating.
>I guess you can just post sources, or what these spells do. If the spells are too powerful I'm probably still going to be hesitant because I'd rather Posie be comparable in power to the other characters when she is alongside them. So long as she's in solo combat though, it shouldn't matter, as the enemies can be adjusted accordingly. There's also the danger that she could be too weak, especially as what are essentially MG42s have been used in combat before, although this is usually easily fixable by adjusting enemies.
Me:
>>combat mages who use deflective shields to bolster their submachine guns
>That sounds like a pretty brutal encounter
GM:
>Yes.

I came into the game believing that there would be wizards with machines guns and changeling firing squads, but that Posey was supposed to win.
I took into account the skepticism with spell balance, so I made Posey a character that was more focused on combat and less reliant on spells. That's why I didn't take any Metamagic.
Of course, I did try that defiling thing at first, but I removed it on my own volition because it was too cheesy for my taste.

Maybe I misunderstood what the point of this game was going to be. I thought the characters were going to be fighting actual wars with machine gun Wizards, so I focused on durability. I would not have paid two whole levels of spellcasting for that durability if I didn't think it would be necessary.
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And overall, Posey has only had between four and six serious encounters in this entire campaign: the equivalent to a single adventuring day. Isn't it a bit early to judge how "broken" she is?
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>>181529
Machine gun wizards sound kinda badass, honestly
Anonymous
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>>181529
I can remain silent, nut Im offering to ne constructively critical. I leave it open for reception.
Anonymous
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I even voluntarily abstained from using any kind of firearm, just to handicap myself and follow the abysmal tech level of the Dread League.
I played an inferior dread necromancer instead of a cleric, because I decided that delayed spell progression was worth the name. I could have cast animate dead on day 1, but I let it be 5 levels away.
I spent all of my starting gold on becoming a monster, instead of buying items.
I made my character all-but-die when she passed over running water, compulsively knock on door to forfeit surprise rounds, and

Am I really power gaming that hard? What problems have I caused with my build? What issues has Posey created (besides the crown which is irrelevant to her build)? Has her high HP, immunities, or DR ever been an actual issue before? Are there any fights that Posey has been involved in that should have gone differently than they did? Was she supposed to lose some of those solo encounters?
What's the problem with Posey? Tell me what it is so I can fix it.