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>>187290Weren't you just taking about the "exploitable" rules in this post right here
>>187276I'm only correcting you because what you're about to do threatens to blow up the entire plane.
You're a rogue: Learn how skillchecks work.
>>187293Yes, your opinion has been noted. Yes, it is technically "according to published material" more correct.
As I have and will continue to do so, displayed that the generality of the published.material is insufficient, less than well resourced, and subject to refinement, I have faith in GM to adjudicate fairly, including if he decides that whoopsie game over for Brie. If you have any more comments about it, please forward them to GM.
And if youre GM playkng possum (doubtful), then I think this is the most reasonable way I could manage this.
After all, the torpedo was Silver's idea
Let me explain further why I am confident in GM. I have detailed pages of plans and aspirations for Brie, Lacey, other characters, for missions and game sessions. He knows I am committed to making the game fun for everyone, inasmuch as I can.
And in that the torpedo was another player's idea that I as a player was trying to make amends with, I do very much doubt he will blow Brie's face off.
And, that you want to see it happen anyway is also noted. This is my final post on the matter ^_^
I missed the related exchange, but somehow I intuit it went a little like this
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[Embed]Attempting to phrase this as delicately as possible.
WotC published THEIR rules for DnD. Im not interested in playing THEIR DnD
And for clarification, pages of aspirations and intentions are NOT intended to validate or justify ANYTHING. GM has learned to reveal nothing and comment little.
Having said, what I mean to emphasize is that,... well gosh darn it I didnt think that going with Silver's idea (admitting taking a 20 was on me, but I'll re-emphasize my "20 minutes not 20 rounds, taking a 10 until its a high enough roll?" idea right now. K.
Point being, I am not in the habit of accidentally blowing up my characters, and I wouldnt have even bothered with the torpedo at all without concincing. Im especially not in the habit of doing so when planning years worth of aspirations that simply aren't *possible* without his survival. Sure you could say my bad, and if GM does I'll take it. But how about we stop trying to cite rules to get eachother killed maybe?
I don't believe you understand the broader balance implications of removing the limitations for taking 20 on skill checks.
>>187315You may be right, and allow me to emphasize A. It's not something I would ever have done outside of these circumstances, specitic to context both in-game and out. B. Its ABSOLUTELY not something I would entertain EVER with an explosive, appreciating the e3.5 specifics. Without intending to excuse fault, this isnt the first time that previous/later edition concepts have led me awry. Taking a 20 USED to be the skill check equivalent of a ritual cast spell, where even if you dont have a slot you can cast it. THATS what I meant when I said taking a 20, fully expecting 20 minutes from the outset, cuz you sacrifice time for finesse.
C. Im vociferously against the rule being interpreted as I have attempted to going forward and am REALLY (i mean reeeeeeealllyy) at GM's mercy on this one
>>187290But while reemphasizing this, I will make playfull illiterations about how you MIGHT say that Brie is facefirst with a giant pile of "Does GM want to ruin my day, and potentially everyone else's?", which I have been going to great (dude) lengths to ensure that even if Im not playing right now, I'm seeking that his answer to that question is "No".
So while GM may want to explode all over Brie's face, this is not the correct context.
>>187316>Without intending to excuse fault, this isnt the first time that previous/later edition concepts have led me awryRead the PHB.
Or the SRD. It's all available online.
>Taking a 20 USED to be the skill check equivalent of a ritual cast spell, where even if you dont have a slot you can cast it. THATS what I meant when I said taking a 20, fully expecting 20 minutes from the outset, cuz you sacrifice time for finesse.Where is this written? I don't see it in the 2e books.
I don't think that's how ritual casting worked in 2e either. 2e had advanced ritual casting, which is more similar to 3.5e incantations.
>C. Im vociferously against the rule being interpreted as I have attempted to going forwardThen why would you do it now, instead of just taking 10 normally?
What you are asking for is the benefits of taking 10, with a net +10 modifier.
[Read more] >>187317You could also just not do it, if you found out the thing you were trying to do didn't make sense in the first place.
>>187319[I]And I am quite confident that GM will recognize this as an ILL intended consequence (unlike the time Rosey deliberatrly out the crown on) of a good faith attempt to enable other players to make their own plans and tactics, and your incessant insistance that this blow up in everyone's face could not be more apparent.
Tl;dr. I get it, it was a poor decision. I know it, he knows it, you know it. End of fucking story.
>>187316It's not set in stone, and ignorance of this rule is reason enough to retcon the action. Brie could instead take 10, or if that won't cut it past the check then he could just stop before accidentally blowing himself up.
>>187321This.
Or we could just decide that the rest of us are away from the plane while he disarms the bomb, which is what we should do anyway because we don't even know what the skill DC is yet.
>>187323>the rest are away from the bombNonononono, Brie started this well before ANYPONE was clear.
If this goes off, happy trails fren
>>187321What about "Let GM decide" is so hard to grasp?
>>187324Well, the implications of a failed check don't begin until the check is complete, and it should take at least a few minutes to make the check, so the rest of us have time to leave.
>>187326Interesting. A moment ago you were emphatic about it being a default auto fail.
Wonder what changed
>>187327Nothing changed. Those circumstances are not mutually exclusive.
>>187324Talking is a free action, and all we did was talk. We have plenty of time to leave the vehicle.
>>187328You seem awfully confident of what GM will decide. Or worried, I suppose. I have faith. ^_^
>>187321>ignorance of this rule is reason enough to retcon the actionThis
It would be like if I cast Lesser Planar Ally (takes 10 minutes to cast), but then I found out before the ally appeared that I don't actually know the spell lesser planar ally, so in that case the results of the spell wouldn't be revealed and we just wouldn't know what creature the deity sends because it didn't happen.
>>187329I didn't say that.
>>187330How badly do you want this to go off? Be honest?
Fyi, Im about to start getting creative with what things will shut you up about this, for the last tine let GM decide.
>>187332>Im about to start getting creativeWhat is that supposed to mean?
I doubt Rosey knows enough about torpedoes to know to vacate the area tbh, that looks like metafagging
>>187335Posey knows what a bomb is.
>>187336Debatable. She may be familiar with the bombs in a conceptual sense, but you'd likely have to make a case (or a knowledge check) for her knowledge of state-of-the-art military-grade weaponry
Meanwhile, Brie sometimes smuggles these, and would know inherently whether or not he could even attempt to extract the torpedo's explosives, whichnis yet another layer to my faith
>>187337Part of Posey's mission is surveying and analyzing the military capabilities of this continent to form magical countermeasures to conquer it. She knows a bomb when she sees one.
>>187338>would know inherentlyDo you have ranks in the relevant knowledge skill? If not, you would know just as much as I do. There is no reason why I should have to roll a check if you don't
>>187342>+12I dunno, does he? His background sure justifies it
>>187342>Posey's missionOooh, and I'm sure she's been at it for a super-long period of time ^_^
Unlike Brie, who would have decades of experience in and around this type of thing. Keep arguing, Ill just keep.making you look dumb
>>187345She's been preparing for this mission for literal decades, studying and making petitions to earn the privilege of being the one responsible with conquering Equestria, in addition to her prior military service on the Arcturian front.
Posey using archaic weapons like swords and bows is an ideological choice, not from lack of familiarity with modern weapons.
>>187343Disable Device is not a knowledge skill.
>His background sure justifies itSo does mine.
>>187346Good. Then we can wait for GM to decide, like Ive been saying ^_^
>>187348It's not really relevant to the earlier discussion.
Whatever.
I liked it better when you two were not talking to each other....
>>187363Sigh. Okay. Ive been trying to keep it constructive but if thats how (you) feel then I will oblige.
In exchange, I dont want to fucking hear it. If you dont think what Im doing works, tell GM and fuck off from me. Deal?
*extended hoof*
>>187391
Im kidding. As I indicated, this wasnt a request. It was a barter. ^_^
>>187398And no, thats NOT an invitation to bombard GM with "I dont agree with this". You know who Im talking to
>>187092>That is one of the few thing I know that will cheer him up. There has been a dearth of it in the game lately, and I don't think it's a coincidence.The game had one instance of sex in 2024, and only one: Silver and Jubilosa, some time around July. There was one and only one instance in 2023, Posey and August around about October. In 2022, the last instance of sex for Silver before 2024 was around March. The final instance of sex with Amber was in the January of 2022 - three years ago. Dark Star’s last instance was in 2021.
>>187446Okay. I'll make you another deal. Ill figure out how to detail Brie and Lacey sex
Are you interested? This is also a barter
>>187447By "figure out" I mean "how to do it aesthetically and artfully, but also in a way I (probably?) Am not gonna feel.embarrassed about tomorrow"
>whats with you and barter all of a sudden
Well, the RP contract isnt in effect, I'm covering my bases and efforts. My good graces arent free after all.
Ebracing Lacey's spirit, while also giving everyone a free look into what's to come
Alright. Fuck it. Flashback time, yes
>approximately 6-7 years ago
>Not sure yet. But this is live so Im going with 7 cuz its a good number
Brie is his,... benefactor's,... up and coming assistant, on a venture in Everfree.
The Night court is like menzoberranzan (iykyk) with dozens of multi-layered, very detailed hierarchies of families, and political groups,... you have to be into that to really get the nuance, which Brie isnt (Lacey is).
In any case, during a routine 'product transfer'... thats when they met. At first.
When he first SAW her was weeks before, and his mentor deliberately and expressely said "Watch out for them" discouragingly. But that was when she also first saw him. And, without any reservations she waled boldly up to him (to the chagrine of her bodyguard, cuz shes still an easily hostageable minor at this point [sppiler]foreshadowing
I was saying. She boldly and defiantly (theres a subtext with her defiance of many family rules and expectations) walked up to him, smelled him (somewhat aggressovely if Im being honest), looked (slightly knowingly) in his eyes, and walked off without a word, to the very disapproving looks of her bodyguard. Dont worry, he'll be dead soon.
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Eh, yiu get what I was trying for
Lacey of the Row family is not your ordinary girl, and not just cuz her family has those funny eyes. Theres a steeped tradition going back several hundred years, if there ever is cause to go to that level of detail.
For now, rest with the knowledge that she is technically speaking, the sole and exclusive heir to a traditional family of bats who have generationally been involved in balck market shenanigen and chicanery.
Back to (flashback) present. When Brie was pfficially INTRODUCED to Lacey, that happened a few werks later, when a rivals organization decided it would be an apt business move yo try and kidnap the sole heir of the Row family.
(If you arent intuiting that this ends with a sex scene with some awkward questions about consent,... i mentioned stunning fist already)
>>187456Anyway, and yes Ill stop for now, thats when Lacey got HWR CM, while he was incapacitated, erect, inside her, and helpless
>>187459Yep. Not much to do late at night other than think. Theyre in a row, so just pretend its one big effort post