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>>179531 →
>My concern was that liberties were being taken - not specifically by players, but by game designers who don't know the irl mechanics of what theyre designing
Who really cares though? It's fantasy. AC is an abstraction. HP is an abstraction. Just use what's fun and serves your goals.
>>179535 →
>Rosey's player has reason to feel put on, and Im a big reason behind it, but not cuz I wanna piss in their cereal.
I have to say, it really did piss me off
Maybe I'm not one to object because you've been playing for longer than me, but I was doing fine until last week. I had anticipated meeting up with the rest of the party for more than a year, but this has really sucked the enjoyment out of it for me. Idk how to put it into words; maybe I'm just breaking under the weight of my irl struggles, but this has to stop. Let's agree to stop the toxicity.
>Meta/maxxfagging is fucking tedious. And no, new players should never have to.
First of all "try this useful piece of armor from this book" is not tedious. If it were tedious, that would be Tenebrous's problem, not yours. Tenebrous expressed an issue with armor class, so I helped him.
Second of all, "metafagging" is part of the game. It is part of the appeal of the game, and this particular edition of the game.
I can avoid throwing math in your face, it ooc junk is your problem though. I can see how it would be annoying to have math break the immersion of roleplay, but I think I should be able to talk to other characters.
>>179536 →
>He doesn't have a lot of levels in monk so the effects of wearing it aren't severe, but are there any workarounds to wear armor as a monk while retaining all abilities?
Yes, although resource cost is a question. How much do you really care about armor class? There are a lot of alternatives to armor too.
Only low level characters care about AC anyway.
Notice how the cost for +1 armor is less than that for a +1 weapon? It's because this system values defense less than it does offense: You avoid more damage by attacking. Whenever I buy armor enhancements, I go for the special abilities, not AC bonuses.
>Maybe we could just rename those armor pieces to fit the setting?
It doesn't really matter what you call them. They amount to "bracers" and "chestplate".
>I think the whole concern around Posey arises from the fact that none of us, probably including the GM, took notes on her character sheet so we have no idea just what she's capable of.
My character sheet has been public for a long time.
https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets//?id=2789871
>makes it look like powergaming
It really depends what you mean by "power gaming", but I never once denied power gaming. Power fantasy is part of the appeal of d&d.
>>179538 →
There are several ways for Monks to wear armor.
https://dnd.arkalseif.info/classes/argent-fist/index.html
Argent fist is the first one to come to mind, because I've played it.
There are other options, but I don't have them off of the top of my head because they're suboptimal, and Armor Class is a tertiary priority for most characters (Tank Fallacy).
Also worth noting that the Monk has many ACFs, which means most of its armor-restricted features can be traded away for something else. You can trade flurry for Rage or Decisive Strike, neither of which need be unarmored. You can trade evasion for Feign Death, Spell Reflection or Invisible Fist, none of which need be unarmored. This is recommended for Multiclass Monks. Flurry Of Misses is a meme anyway.
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/classes/baseCore/monk.html#decisive-strike
Monk has a lot of features (most of which meh), which meant it had a lot of features to trade away for ACFs written in various books and magazine issues.
Hunter Monk should be considered, for Multiclass Rangers. By combining Hunter Monk with Ascetic Stalker, you can increase your favored enemy progression faster than normal.
>>179569 →
>Lamilar is grossly underrepresented
No it isn't. It's been in the game since 3.0 A&E.
https://www.realmshelps.net/stores/armor/Lamellar
This was the armor I gave to my Agire statblock, because I wanted a more eastern theme. Among medium armors, it's one of the better ones. Tied with breastplate, and cheaper too. Too bad it can't be dragoncraft.
There's no shortage of avant garde armors in 3.5e. Some of them are good, most of them are meh.

>>179658
>Who really cares though? It's fantasy. AC is an abstraction. HP is an abstraction.
This is true, but please understand that everyone needs to be on the same page with the numbers. We are not. That can be a problem.

>Only low level characters care about AC anyway.
Why?

>I never once denied power gaming. Power fantasy is part of the appeal of d&d.
Please understand that when one enemy encounters two characters, one who is very powerful and wants to be brought near death, and another who is only medium or low powered and does not want to lose their character, there can be an issue in game balancing. This is not a non-existent issue.

Also, for the love of God, please stop trying to show up every other player on how much more powerful your character is than theirs in out of character comments or minor PvP. It pisses me off to no end and makes it extremely difficult to take your statements about taking elements from various books being benign at face value

>>179661
I wouldn't have done the show-off thing if another player hadn't threatened to kill me earlier. I regret doing that.

>>179658
>who cares, it's fantasy
Yes, but. Brie's backstory is more or less structured to be among the the top 3 sneaky ninjas in the world. Now, there are mechanical constraints to that manifestation, mostly supplied by GM.
When building him thence, I went with what made sense to the *already established mindset/build*. This includes a homebrew feat that allowed me to do something I could have done with another build but which didnt fit the backstory/character.
Tl;dr, I could have 2 extra feats if I wanted to go with an optimal build. Everything my character does that is "cool" comes at specific and deliberate expense.
Without having looked at this specific cbaracter, I admit to a prejudice to observing your (as a player) propensity to capitalize on racial/bonus feats, especially where flaws are offered in exchange.
What I'm grtting at is that while GM has permitted me things that he needn't have, it is after I have detailed in thorough why it should be this way, how the rule designers were ignorant/nescient of these aspects, etc. and why he would be advised to tell me no.
Other than such negotiations, I have only told him what I have chosen, and how those choices affect previous ones.

Idk if that helped. But anyway, I had this badass criminal bg and idfk what happened to my character sheet, did I ever have one? I think so, but fuck it, lets roll and a ... 6.
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....
Fuck it, Ill make it work AND make sense, AND be the badass. Yes, I know, that 6 will hur skills,....

So when that happens and yoh try to suck it up and go with it, having someone else SEEM to be flaunting/gloating can have adverse consequences that I might be more adult about in the future?

>>179663
I apologize for that. It wasn't a threat to kill, but thats just semantics. I acknowledge A. That was a bad response even OOC, B. That what Brie would assume would kill Posey would probably be grossly insufficient, in an Alan vs. Tyrant sorta way, and C. if no "good" responses come to mind, I could have not posted.

>>179658
>Lamellar
Funny, you havent posted the 3.5e SRD for Lammelar. Wonder why.

>>179738 →
What SHOULD have happened, having NOT descended from his 100' low altitude observation and NOT taken ANY further action (other than to declare an OOC intent to secure the rope WHEN GAMEPLAY COULD CONTINUE CUZ PLAYERS ARE PRESENT), saw the pony coming a mile away. I now realize I have to be exhaustive in my descriptions so to avoid unnecessary assumptions about what my character is doing, and only GM can carry the action forward from that point. I would have been fine with Brie going further onto the cliff if it makes the encounter easier/better but thats nowhere near what I had declared as action, nor was there any indocation that he was doing the other thing I had indicated he would. In future I will be entirely unambiguous about what my character is doing as well as being less accommodating to players trying to push things past where we reasonably stopped.
Part of the problem is that GM will make sweeping decriptions of things happening - clearly putting time, effort, and care - but will neglect to directly address what I had posted, sometimes several times. I'm left not knowing whether the posts were even seen. This is exascerbated when other players engage in needless cross-posting, ostensibly what the OOC thread is for.
The idea that "I was present right until" and "I should have known play was ongoing" is laughable for several reasons.
1. I expressly asked GM directly and the thread in general for advance notice for VERY specific reasons. There was no notice, egro I Assumed* that this was just horseplay and banter.
2. There were 2.5 (including me) players absent.
>but you were there
Not as a player. I was there, while watching YT, with music and distractions and lots of stuff you DONT do as a player. As a player I would have 1 window open, 2 books, a notepad, and the thread, and no distractions. I assumed* that the assurances I was given were not as flexible as they appear to be.

Lets take stock for a second:
Brie - Me
Silver - Silver
Kira
Rosey - Posey
Tenebrous - Him
Cavaliere - Amber's player
Dust - Noodle appreciator

GM - Alot. Like, ALOT alot.
How many players constitutes a quorum? 2/3 certainly, and 5/6 is debatable. 6/6 is ideal, but lets not kid ourselves about dnd schedules. To that end, I recommend favoring the newer players before seasoned ones, both in scheduling and in general.

>>179743
What should have happened part 2:
The intent was NOT for Brie to have joined the fight; he could be said to be anywhere from 50-100'. What he would have done is signal/call-out something like:
"Eyes on contact, 2 o'clock" or whatever specific direction appropriate, left the mass of ponies to ascertain/deal with the contact, while surveiling for any other approaching contacts.
Brie isnt trying to be everywhere and do all the things I just want him doing the things I said so that he can at least contribute a situational awareness even if not actively engaging.

>>179742
It's not in the SRD. I told you it's in Arms & Equipment.
A&E was printed before the SRD, but unlike the ELH, DD, and XPH, it didn't get the SRD treatment.
SRD only includes DMG1, PHB1, MM1, XPH, ELH, and DD.

Anyway, Lamellar is a top tier medium armor. Would recommend it for Warblades, Barbarians, or Fighters with good dex that isn't maxed, if you wanted a more eastern look instead of breastplate. It's statistically identical to breastplate, except it weighs slightly less and costs 50 gp less. Costing only 150 gp also means that lvl 1 followers may be able to afford it alongside a horse and weapons.
It is, however, partly composed of leather, which means that it would rot away overtime, making it not idea to place as treasure in the bottom of some ancient tomb, when a breastplate would last forever. There are workarounds to that though ("the leather lasts forever because magic and/or immortal monster skin").
Too bad it can't be Dragoncraft. Hide and Scale Mail are the only two medium armors that could be dragoncraft, which is probably due to their avoidance to referencing non-phb items in subsequent books. Lamellar is something like a cross between hide and scale mail, and were it made dragoncraft it would be a superior armor, being light with considerable AC bonus, and fitting for dragon-honoring oriental characters. Mithril is better than dragoncraft for Dex character, but dragoncraft lamellar would look so cool.

>>179658
>Yes, although resource cost is a question. How much do you really care about armor class? There are a lot of alternatives to armor too.
It's not the most important thing, and this character won't wear armor anyway, but I was wondering on a conceptual level since monk is a class that eschews all armor by design. Thank you for sharing!
>Only low level characters care about AC anyway.
OOC, maybe, but in IC it depends on the character and what hit points are meant to be. If they're abstracted as "luck to not receive a deadly wound" then it's not a problem though it steps on the toes of AC. If they're actual health resilience, as they've been presented in the game so far, then aside from a sadist dread necromancer most characters would indeed prefer AC.
It's a roleplay problem. If one's character gets shanked by a hobo, the player is not going to freak out because 1d4 damage is nothing for a level 5 PC. But the character still has to be roleplayed as freaking out because he was just shanked by a hobo, for crying out loud. This creates a dilemma where the optimal play is to just not care about getting hit, but where effective roleplay would have a character prefer not to receive another orifice.
DnD 3.5e is highly generous in terms of hit points since party members are regularly fighting mythical creatures (and often dying to them), but in a grounded setting like OE then even level 5 has characters be absurdly tanky. We saw it in Silver's last dream sequence where he was fighting a war. You could design the campaign where there's a level cap (you mentioned 6e and I talked about it on the game thread) but even if you include more feats, you still lose out on powers, multiclassing, prestige classes, etc. I wish there was an easy solution to this but I don't see one.
>It doesn't really matter what you call them. They amount to "bracers" and "chestplate".
True. I wonder what the horse versions would be?
>hunter monk
>lose 1st level bonus feat
It's tempting, but I like my feats.
>>179745
I'm just curious as to how he would have called out the pony from a hundred feet away, without having a radio. Physically, he could do that by yelling loud enough, but that would be heard by everypony else 100' away.
>>179746
>Too bad it can't be Dragoncraft. Hide and Scale Mail are the only two medium armors that could be dragoncraft, which is probably due to their avoidance to referencing non-phb items in subsequent books. Lamellar is something like a cross between hide and scale mail, and were it made dragoncraft it would be a superior armor, being light with considerable AC bonus, and fitting for dragon-honoring oriental characters. Mithril is better than dragoncraft for Dex character, but dragoncraft lamellar would look so cool.
Officially, you can't, but it would be easy to homebrew it in for a character with a very high armor crafting skill. In OE it would just be awkward to wear in considering dragons have their own country and are capable of co-existing with ponies to some extent.

>>179747
>I'm just curious as to how
In the scenario where he is 100' and looking for anything and thereby notices the approaching pony, he will likewise have a range of vision approaching 270' ground level before white-out conditions at the diagonal, including any other potential incoming. Therefore, he would be perfectly fine calling out to the ponies in 100' range, regardless of anyone else in that 100' range heard him, while looking for other inbound, in case of trap/ambush/etc.

>>179747
>Thank you for sharing!
Anytime. I could talk about this all day.
>IC it depends on the character and what hit points are meant to be
Well, we are low level characters, so we care about AC.
>If they're abstracted as "luck to not receive a deadly wound"
That's how you're supposed to fluff HP. It says so in the DMG.
>If one's character gets shanked by a hobo, the player is not going to freak out because 1d4 damage is nothing for a level 5 PC.
Sounds like a good time to introduce players to Erebus, the god of beggars.
Anyways, a lvl 5 hero narratively shouldn't lose to a lvl 1 commoner hobo with a shank: they should be good enough at fighting to avoid the attack or only be grazed by it, but also narratively their story wouldn't end like that. HP is as much of plot armor as it is physicality or skill at fighting, because players are supposed to win and Frontline fighters are supposed to tank deadly attacks. That's why HP exists.
>This creates a dilemma where the optimal play is to just not care about getting hit, but where effective roleplay would have a character prefer not to receive another orifice.
Optimal play is to kill your enemies before they kill you.
This does remind me of an expert from the Rules Compendium though (pic related).
>DnD 3.5e is highly generous in terms of hit points
I actually disagree with this, especially when compared to other systems, but that's just me.
>In OE it would just be awkward to wear in considering dragons have their own country and are capable of co-existing with ponies to some extent.
Same thing is true in Forgotten Realms and Eberron, but that doesn't stop them.

>My character Amber is on the complete opposite end. I saw the world the DM came up with and wanted to create a character that typified an everymare, even one with many disadvantages.
>My philosophy when playing Amber is to "go with the flow" and have her react realistically toward changing surroundings rather than trying to change the surroundings herself.
Considering that Amber is a Bard, she should have all of the heroic potential as Pinkie Pie. Bards have the power to change the world with their words and songs, and their mere presence can turn the tides of battle.
Even Pinkie Pie in S1E2, who could have been considered a lvl 1 Bard at the time, was able to guide her friends through the Eldritch horrors of Everfree.
Bards aren't just warriors (although they certainly are), they're sages, scholars, and most importantly leaders, not grounded in any one place and spreading their inspiration wherever they go. Bards not only communicate with spirits, but with the emotions of others, and guide the struggling through turmoils both supernatural and mundane. In times of war, a Bard is what everyone needs. Perhaps Amber might not consider herself a warrior, but that doesn't mean she can't be a hero. She might realize that her role may come from supporting and uplifting others, with the power of friendship.
>she'll soon be properly ready for real adventure but I am quite happy with her story and I think others are too.
Well, if you ever want help with your sheet, I'm always available.
Imo, Amber would make for a good Heartfire Fanner, Sublime Chord, or War Chanter. Perhaps she might even go through a sudden Spiritual Awakening, and become a Fire Soul, and inspire all those around her.
https://www.realmshelps.net/monsters/templates/firesouled.shtml
It's +3 LA, but that doesn't really matter in milestone games, plus we have characters that can fly at-will (minimum +2 LA), so nobody cares.
>despite being a generalist at technically level 3.
You haven't seen me play Clerics or Sorcerers, either of which would have made for a more powerful version of Posey. I picked Dread Necromancer because it's a tier 3 class that's good at exactly one thing and one thing only (at lvl 8...), also because she's from the Dread League and therefore must select every character option that has the word "Dread" in it.
Posey has high HP and enhancement bonuses to Str and Dex, but she's also maxed in those regards: she can't improve those with items. I spent two character levels and almost all of my starting gold gaining those traits, because they had to be applied in character creation.

>>179752
Elaborate

>>179753
Amber is more dialogue and social to resolution of circumstances and concerns. Though, for a moment I did get Kira and Amber mixed up in my head

>>179746
Lamellar armor is pretty cool, you basically take a whole bunch of rectangular metal scale and tie them all together into large sheets. Unlike normal scale armor it only has a metal component to it, and requires no backing material like cloth. Kira's lamellar scales are made out of leather rather than metal to preserve lightness, but you can actually make it out of other non-metal materials including bone.

>>179746
>its in this book
So not SRD, got it. I'm not the idiot for not knowing which of the half dozen non-srd lamellar's you may have been referencing.

>>179751
>Perhaps Amber might not consider herself a warrior, but that doesn't mean she can't be a hero. She might realize that her role may come from supporting and uplifting others, with the power of friendship.
That's what I'm going with. She's starting with her coltfriend and he's uh, a work in progress.
>https://www.realmshelps.net/monsters/templates/firesouled.shtml
I'll check these options out. Fire souled seems perfect for a Kirin character since kirins are already attuned with fire. One could bring up other inspiration from the show of actual ponies possessing this, like Twilight burning up in rage or a devout Harmonist becoming radical to the point of welcoming Daybreaker. Food for thought.
>>179757
People also sleep on brigandine as an armor option.

How old was silver before he ate the fruit?

>>179770
He was in his 50s

>>179767
>Fire souled seems perfect for a Kirin character since kirins are already attuned with fire. One could bring up other inspiration from the show of actual ponies possessing this
Becoming Firesouled requires initiation by one who has the template. A Kirin Bard (Autumn Blaze?) would be an ideal mentor for the bonfire ritual.
Also, she's named Amber Sunset. You can't have that kind of name without doing something with fire/light.
>>179771
Middle Age. Got it.

>>179767
Brigandine is plate armor with extra steps

>>179771
That's younger than I assumed. I don't know why he was so obsessed with youth, but I'm not even close to that age myself.
>>179773
I was going for a grain theme (because she is from a farming background) but maybe.
>>179774
It's medium armor but also really cool.

>>179777
>I was going for a grain theme (because she is from a farming background) but maybe.
Could be a Green Whisperer.

>>179780 →
Posey is a character who, if I am expected to keep Brie in a reasonably/respectable line (including not expecting other players/characters to care/accommodate) then it stands to reason,....

>I'm pent up from not killing
Fuck off to ooc with it then

>>179783
>I'm pent up from not killing
Posey is.
>reasonably/respectable line
Is attacking an unresponsive NPC who is attacking us unreasonable?

>>179790
>Posey is
Super. That means fuckall to all not-posey.
>is attacking an whatever NPC
So you're gonna cool it when Brie threatens ponies? Carry on, if it means not getting second guessed and ankle-bitten all the time

>>179790
Nah, it's a fairly reasonable course of action. Personally I wanted to figure out what was going on after not only how weirdly he was acting but also what he is after what I guess was a strength roll with a +4 modifier, but I'm also cool with just straight up murder.

>>179793
I want to take him alive too, and it's why I chose grapple. Posey is acting in-character and isn't unreasonable.

>>179792
>So you're gonna cool it when Brie threatens ponies?
If they're attacking us, yeah.

>>179797
I'll take it!

>>179819 →
Posey was crucimigrated by her Mentor, who through the apprentice feat is an 8th level Dread Necromancer, therefore applying the Undead Mastery feature to her. I marked it as one of her limited favors from her Mentor.

>>179822
Who the fuck thinks another player knows or cares what that means?

>>179823
I was just answering the question that was asked.
It's a temp score because it's enhancement. It does not stack with items.

>>179823
Nah, I'll bear this one out

MOST PLAYERS DONT INTO EXTRA BOOKS

>>179826
You weren't the one who asked.

>>179827
Do you think I ask permission?

>>179822
Oh, that's interesting. But how does that apply +5 dex and str?

>>179833
Pls be nice

>>179835
This is the OOC thread Xp

>>179836
OOC means out of character for your DnD character, not for yourself. Apply your real-life decency here.

Silver's player, could you please post your ability scores? I really want to know.

>>179839
>irl decency
Done! ^_^
Shutup faggit

>>179835
If a Master (8th level) Dread Necromancer creates an undead (in this case, Posey), they increase the undead's HP and also adds an enhancement bonus to Str and Dex.
I'll do the same to you if I get to lvl 8 and I can convince you to die.
>>179833
Then why do you care?

>>179843
Idk. I guess you made a comment about low sperm count. Something that didn't in any way relate to the game at all, but you decided.

And so, I decided. Decide now.

>>179839
>Silver's player, could you please post your ability scores? I really want to know.
His original scores were:
Strength - 16
Dexterity - 17
Constitution - 16
Intelligence - 7
Wisdom - 16
Charisma - 9

Imo, doesn't really reflect how he played, because Silver seemed a lot smarter and more charismatic than that.

>>179844
>>179846
When did they get upgraded? Those are very good stats. And to think you didn't apply age penalties, tsk-tsk

>>179848
Technically the age penalties would only be age bonus, now that he's back to prime age.

>>179848
Intelligence is the only one that actually really got upgraded, and that's because I asked GM pone for it so Silver can actually have some skill points to put into Weaponsmithing and Armorsmithing. Mostly for flavor, but I do have plans for Silver to buy a workshop to turn into a smithy. Not only could it serve as a source of passive income to fund his...expensive newfound hobbies such as NPC collection, but he can use it to make better gear for himself and the various characters. I've already got plans for Silver to make a Titanium Breastplate for himself and a Titanium Chain Shirt for Kira. The rest of them were just some pretty damn good rolls during character creation.

>>179843
>then why do you care

WHY INDEED. ARE MY REASONS SUBJECT TO CRITICISM? I DONT RECALL SUBMITTING FOR APPROVALsureiya

>>179850
Hey, I actually had this pure int unicorn fencer build, if you were interested at looking at it.
>>179851
It's annoying and unhelpful.

>>179852
That actually does sound pretty neat. Definitely far from what Silver is, but still, neat!

>>179849
When you roll abilities and choose them, age penalties are applied afterwards. In the case of middle-age, which isn't so bad, it just nerfs your physical abilities in favor of your intellectual ones.
>>179850
They are good rolls, but personally I think that increased intelligence should have needed a special quest for it (like that Tree of Life thing) or maybe a transfer of three ability points. I won't contest GM Pone's decision.

>>179851
he mad

>>179852
I was debating with making a fencer character because it's a neat concept in general.

>>179868 →
What are you even talking about?
Quit shitting up the roleplay thread with ooc posts.

>>179881 →
>>179885 →
Okay, seriously, what is your problem?

Oh hey, I didn't even notice this thread.

She zeeb on my zoob til I ziib

>>179891
She snij on my snej til I snoj

>>179886
He feels the need to punish you for caring to look at additional books. I dare say this isn't his first time derailing a campaign with his need to enact justice on another player rather than just letting the GM handle how they please.
>>179893
I only have a 10 in int, but interdasting. I might just keep that in my back pocket

>>179891
You have a good Heal Mod. You should use Healing Lorecall.
https://dndtools.net/spells/spell-compendium--86/healing-lorecall--4689/
It buffs all of your healing spells if you have ranks in Heal.
Also consider using rules for the d20 modern Treat Injury skill:
https://d20modern.fandom.com/wiki/Treat_Injury

>>179854
So basically it's the idea of a Unicorn Warrior who is a fighting genius, and has developed a manner of fighting styles through knowledge of warfare, history, and experience.
A Warblade that focuses on the Diamond Mind and White Raven Disciplines
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/classes/baseTob/warblade.html
Three Fey Bloodline levels, just because a character who has been playing for so long deserves something. Unicorn is fey-adjacent anyway.

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/?id=2957511
It's really unfinished. I originally left the Str at 16 because I wanted to qualify for feats, but then I didn't think of any feats that were really worth taking (Power Attack?)...
Might swap if for Con, but he already gets Int to HP ala Faerie Mysteries Initiate. Still, it's bad to dump Con, because Concentration is pivotal for the Diamond Mind discipline.
Could also roll it into Wis, although Keen Intellect replaces Wis with Int on both checks.
Might swap the Str for the wis, then un-dump the con by applying the Arctic (+0 LA) template, and roll the Cha penalty from Arctic into a Wis penalty ala Magic Blooded (+0 LA). The combo gives some nifty SLAs too (Rat of frost, detect magic, read magic, magic aura), on top of resistance to cold weather.

Silver Tongue is just a fun feat that goes well with a White Raven Commander.
Knowledge Devotion is good, and turns ranks in knowledge (local) into Damage vs humanoids.
Weapon Focus enables entry into Eternal Blade.
Not sure about other feats.
Still working on maneuvers.

This build includes two house rules:
1: The ponyfinder Advanced Horn Magic feat is acceptable
2. Unicorn Counts as an Elf/Halfling (for Faerie Mysteries Initiate; Eternal Blade if lvl 11 ever comes). 3.5e Elves get all of the unicorn stuff anyway.

>>179886
You, not specifically. And unlike u, Im not gonna pretrnd otherwise

>>180004 →
>axe to grind
Nigger, it is (You) who has been shitting up the thread with your ooc spamposts, despite there being an entire thread for that.

I have not done anything remotely antagonistic to you today, but you have been nothing but hostile. What is your problem? Why do you have to be so toxic? You're sucking all the energy out of the thread. It's fucking gay.
Notice how nobody else has an issue with me right now? The problem is (You).

And consolidate your posts, for the love of God. You don't need to make 50+ posts with half a sentence each.

>>180014
Pretending otherwise, on cue
>>180014
>i havent done anything today
Thank you for admitting youve been pver the top insufferable EXCEPT today

>>180016
Whatever, fag. Just stop shitting up the roleplay thread.

>>180019
This pot seems to think its in a position to criticize the kettle

>>180020
I'm making on-topic posts in the roleplay thread. You haven't posted in-character since early this afternoon.
Just quit the spam posts.

>>180021
This is the ooc thread,...

>>180022
I'm talking about the other thread.

>>179909
I forgot to reply to this earlier, but I think this sounds like a pretty neat idea! Bonus points if you manage to flavor the character like a Water Dancer.

>>180025
>Bonus points if you manage to flavor the character like a Water Dancer.
I can try. Might be difficult with a greatsword build.

>>180023
Wait, youre complaining about spam posts? Again? Ffs, you never learn

>>180026
Oh, you mean for Silver? I'm not sure how much it makes sense for Silver, but I was imagining it for a different character using a rapier or other similar weapon.

>>180091
Me on the top left

>>180091
>>180092
I'm on the bottom right

Would you be in favor of forensics from DnD modern being a skill?

>>180099
Maybe, but unlike d20 modern classes, we don't have a lot of skill points.
Survival (tracking), Search (noticing stuff), Heal (how a creature died), and Gather Information (urban tracking) are the forensic skills in d&d.

Don't mind me,....
[1d6 = 3] [1d6 = 4] [1d6 = 1] [1d6 = 3]
[1d6 = 3] [1d6 = 5] [1d6 = 1] [1d6 = 3]
[1d6 = 1] [1d6 = 6] [1d6 = 4] [1d6 = 2]
[1d6 = 2] [1d6 = 6] [1d6 = 6] [1d6 = 4]
[1d6 = 6] [1d6 = 2] [1d6 = 5] [1d6 = 5]
[1d6 = 3] [1d6 = 5] [1d6 = 4] [1d6 = 3]

>>180397
10 S
12 D
11 C
12 W
16 I
16 Ch

>>180399
Post-racial stats
Str 10
Dex 14
Con 10
Wis 12
Int 16
Cha 16

To whatever degree they may be so inclined, Ponies in and around Baltimare may be aware of a Bar, Grill, and Strip club that also offers prostitution and gambling called the Latex Saddle, owned and operated by one Lucky Roll and her cadre/stable of mares.

Yes, yes I am.

>>180400
>>180399
Checked

>>180400
>bat-run bar, grill and strip club
Cool. My bat-ghoul Nightstalker will pay the place a visit.

>>180402
I will assemble a selection of lewd ponies for atmosphere.
For those with criminal sensibilities, her real source of wealth/power/income comes from.her network of spies and informants, and the high price of that information, as well as unserialized weapon trade (small arms)

>>180412
Quite ^,_,^
And damn sexy :3

>>180416
Ooc, highly encouraged
In character, will never happen; her favor is currently reserved exclusively for Brie. ^,_,~

I should probably get to work on my nightstalker... I was going to wait for Leadership, but it seems as though we can play multiples without it, so I'll get to work.
I decided that my other two characters will be mares as well. Gloomy will be the only male among the four horsemen.
>>180398 →
>Just remembered that "Average Array" exists
What kind of sadistic DM would have their players use stats where the highest one is 13?
I always use high stats in my games: it makes things more fair to the MAD classes. My last one used 54 point buy.

>>180419
>average array
NPCs and adversaries only, imo

When I came into the game, I intended to eventually run four characters through leadership variants: based on the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
I intended to have a Nightstalker to represent Hunger and a Martial character to represent War. Originally they were to be pegasus and earth pony respectively, but I think I'll do Bat (ghoul) and Pegasus (semi-wight imitation) instead.
Posey represents Conquest. She's a fearmonger charisma build with vampiric lineage. You all know Posey by now.
My Black Horse is a ghoul arms dealer, smuggler and merchant: a horribly greedy and depraved creature who was executed for stealing the souls of the unborn in a maternity ward. Like Posey, she's a slave to the Masters of Magehold, and is being sent to the equestrian. Unlike Posey, who is supernaturally beautiful even in death, my ghoul would have a humanoid skin graft that lets her pass as a living thing, maintained by cure spells. Ghouls are associated with hunger and greed, so it makes sense to have a ghoul represent famine. Feats would be utility oriented, using Mercantile Background and Wanderers Diplomacy to procure hard to get items.
Nightstalker is a somewhat inferior class, and I would probably be better off with a Multiclass Cleric/Rogue with Sacred Outlaw, but all Posey must remain superior.
My Red Horse is a Pegasus, I was interested in a Shadowbane Inquisitor Blackguard build, with intent to eventually become a Death Knight. The build doesn't really work before ECL 8 though, as it requires fallen paladin mechanics. Could make it advance in Shadowbane Inquisitor ala Heretic Of The Faith though.
I also considered Barbarian, Crusader, or Warblade, but IDK. In any case, I want it to be an energy-drain build.
Gloomy is the pale horse. He represents Death. I had intended to magically age him and make him my cohort when Posey became a master at lvl 8, but idk if that will ever happen.
>>180421
Even the DMG says to give any creature with PC classes the elite array.
Average array is for lvl 1 non-elite, NPC-class canon fodder enemies.

>>180419
What are you bitching at me for? I’ve never used average array for anything, except maybe genetic NPC enemies

>>180423
When I came into the game, I had wanted to run an anti-hero criminal inspired by Jarlaxle from Forgotton Realms, Raymond Reddington from the Blacklist, a dose of Guy Richie noir comedy, and a cup of batman. Creating Lucky is a sudden inspiration/determination in that it allows me as a player to have all sorts of reasons to participate in the social aspects of the game, through both her and Brie (I rly hope Vul doesnt object to my appropriation of her likeness, especially in a criminal context); the former because she's a proprietor and an excuse for more Addy cameos xp, and the latter for both business and pleasure :3
Her personality is structured after Jemnifer Garner in the Sherlock Holmes movies, with elements of Faye (Cowboy Benop), titties (Lupin III) and so on.

Also titties from One Piece,....
The classic wild feminine archetype

>>180428
>(I rly hope Vul doesnt object to my appropriation of her likeness, especially in a criminal context)
Did you consider just making your own Bat OC?
There's no shame in taking inspiration from pre-existing characters.
My Nightstalker is a seductive Diplomancer build. A "civilized" , smooth-talking ghoul (like Cooper Howard) with even smoother stolen skin. Her mane style would probably like Aura (Frieren).
I based Posey's appearance in part on Makima (Chainsawman).
>>180427
I'm not bitching at you at all. I was just talking about how silly it is that the game lists making players use the Average Array as an option. Idk what kind of hypothetical GM would do that.

>>180436 →
>So instead is the a class that transitions into another or have different modes and are there any that's specifically about changing their martial art style?
Swordsage, particularly with Stance changes:
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/classes/baseTob/swordsage.html
Swordsage know a wide array of maneuvers and fighting styles. It's also often referred to as a better version of Monk and Ninja (and most martial claases).
It's why I recommend Shadow Sun Ninja.

>>180437
Okay, thank you. I will explore it. ^^

>>180441
If you really want to be a "style changer", you could dip every martial adept class, and then go into Master Of The Nine.
https://dnd.arkalseif.info/classes/master-of-nine/index.html
It would be really complicated though.

>>180443
Yeah, that does seem more in line with what I was thinking of.

Though, I think, while I wouldn't refer to myself as new, I don't have enough, in game, experience with dnd mechanics as is so I think a normal monk might be just the right fit for me at the moment.

I think I just want to keep it mechanically simple and then add description to spice it up. To someone like me that's still kinda new and exciting.

Thank you again btw. I do really appreciate your help and enthusiasm. Feel free to give further suggestions, I do listen even if it might not seems so since I just shifted back to favor the monk class for my oc.

>>180443
But I can give you some description of the character I have in mind so far and, you can say what you think would be cool for the character if you like. Also, spoilers:

So Virgin Flame suffers immensely from regrets and numbs herself with alcohol. If she doesn't get alcohol, her self-hatred escalates and she goes a bit berserk. With alcohol, she's temporary at peace with the past. She's kind and confident. She whistles a melancholic psalm from her church in Equestria. If she's still in bad mood, she's more likely to cry rather than be violent while drunk than sober, were she's more like to hurt, herself.

Something like that is her character so far.

>>180442
In the interest of NOT blatantly plagiarizing another's OC, I am amending the character from Lucky Roll to Lacy Row (as in, to fight).
Further modifications/establishments to follow
(Born into the Row crime family,....)

Those familiar with the Netflix animae series Kengan Asura will have insight into where I'm going with the "Row" family, with the comparative Kure clan

>>180468
https://kenganverse.fandom.com/wiki/Kure_Karura
Heavy emphasis and inspiration

>>180423
I appreciate the enthusiasm for new characters, but let's take a moment to consider how any new characters fit within the wider context of the game. I mean this in how they would play out within party dynamics, how they fit with the goals of others, and how their power level fits with their roles as presumably lower level than the PC characters.

First off, Posey and her like are established as coming from the Griffonian Northeast. Arcturian Order, snowponies, and hill ponies. Bat ponies in EAW are indigenous to the Equestrian Southeast. They have since migrated en masse all throughout the Equestrian East, to a portion of the Zebrican north coast, and New Mareland, and can be periodically found throughout Equestria and Nova Griffonia. They are not found in the backwater parts of the Griffonian Far North.

But a bit more than that, I'm skeptical of evil characters more generally. When the game first started I was very welcoming of evil allignment, because to me, I thought that that playing "evil" meant a character that was maybe just a little bitchy, liked or aligned with the Nazi-coded factions, was maybe a bit sexually immoral, and had an idea of justice that placed much more emphasis on retribution than mercy. How very wrong I was...

There have been a couple villains who stood out as evil. One bought 10 year old foals as slaves, kept them in what is a basically a rape dungeon, and then invited friends over to sexually abuse these foals. They did the same with changeling nymphs, electrocuting them to coerce them into transforming into their favored sexual target. Another villain would tell immigrants he would smuggle them in past customs... Then rob them, chain them into a sweatshop and force them to work, have their life force drained from them by a captive changeling so they could extract the condensed love as changeling honey, and then finally have their drained bodies sacrificed to an evil god, remove their fur and try to sell it for value, make leather for books out of the skin, and then feed the bodies to gnoll minions. These villains are not supposed to be the average. They are supposed to stand out as uniquely evil even amongst antagonists within the setting. Fighting them is supposed to be non-controversial. It's supposed to be a goal that can be agreed on by the whole party, as kind of a break from fights and duties that mostly are about ideology or power politics and are not as agreeable. The goal here isn't to have a split-ideological party or campaign where one part is attempting to out flank these rare villains on the evil scale, or to normalize evil and make reveal scenes - like the foals imprisoned in the sex dungeon, or all of the skeletons thrown away in the garbage chute - less impactful.

You have the night stalker as "arms dealer, smuggler and merchant: a horribly greedy and depraved creature who was executed for stealing the souls of the unborn in a maternity ward." This is not the first time you've mentioned a night stalker character. When you mentioned it before, the night stalker was "a lawyer or barrister" named caligo, with that profession being kind of an explanation for, or tied to, a diplomacer style. I fell like this is a hell of change to go from "lawyer" to "Arms dealer but also merchant and smuggler and she steals the souls of babies from the maternity ward."

First off, is stealing the souls of babies just something level 3 or so characters can just casually do? Like stealing the catalytic converters off of cars, or shoplifting at Walmart? Do people need to guard their souls like they need to guard their pockets or purses so they don't get stolen. In the show, in the season 5 intro, there is a big reveal that Starlight Glimmer isn't using a magical artifact to remove pony's cutie marks - it's her own cutie mark magic. That power is unique and almost aberrant. No one else has that power in the whole series. But stealing babies souls is comparatively common?

I get that the character is likely intended to kind of be like Salem from the Sabrina the Teenaged Witch Series, forcibly depowered and eviler than the rest as a kind of deliberate contrast. But what is your intention with the character?

>>180468
I do not watch any anime at all

>>180473
>I dont watch anime at all
Fair, Ill comprise an acceptably comparative parallel. For simplicity's sake, Im vying for Lacy to be a Neighponese mafia Boss' daughter.

>>180476
If I was GM and having to pull backstory out my ass, I'd say she and Brie FIRST met years ago in Neighpone, when Brie took on several of Lacy's older brothers single handedly,...

I just want to say that this character is unfinished and I haven't even decided on a name, so it's open to change.
>>180473
>You have the night stalker as "arms dealer, smuggler and merchant: a horribly greedy and depraved creature who was executed for stealing the souls of the unborn in a maternity ward." This is not the first time you've mentioned a night stalker character. When you mentioned it before, the night stalker was "a lawyer or barrister" named caligo, with that profession being kind of an explanation for, or tied to, a diplomacer style. I fell like this is a hell of change to go from "lawyer" to "Arms dealer but also merchant and smuggler and she steals the souls of babies from the maternity ward."
I believe I did mention the souls thing in the first draft of this character. It's admittedly a feat that can only be achieved with elaborate items and the assistance of casters. It's not really relevant to the character though, so I could strike that.
>I'm skeptical of evil characters more generally. When the game first started I was very welcoming of evil allignment, because to me, I thought that that playing "evil" meant a character that was maybe just a little bitchy, liked or aligned with the Nazi-coded factions, was maybe a bit sexually immoral, and had an idea of justice that placed much more emphasis on retribution than mercy. How very wrong I was...
I see. I thought you were okay with Posey having minions though, and ponies who follow her cause would logically be evil.
>First off, Posey and her like are established as coming from the Griffonian Northeast. Arcturian Order, snowponies, and hill ponies. Bat ponies in EAW are indigenous to the Equestrian Southeast. They have since migrated en masse all throughout the Equestrian East, to a portion of the Zebrican north coast, and New Mareland, and can be periodically found throughout Equestria and Nova Griffonia. They are not found in the backwater parts of the Griffonian Far North.
I imagined Magehold as a melting pot for necromancers and the living dead, with even it's leader hailing from Equestria. Most undead don't procreate well without the help of magic, so it makes sense that most of the residents of the Dread League were once creatures from living nations. Magehold imports slaves, spell components and talent from all over the world: it makes sense that an Equestrian ghoul would end up there.
>When you mentioned it before, the night stalker was "a lawyer or barrister" named caligo, with that profession being kind of an explanation for, or tied to, a diplomacer style. I fell like this is a hell of change to go from "lawyer" to "Arms dealer but also merchant and smuggler
Nightstalker is a rogue-like class with skills. Since this game involves interacting with creatures and avoiding exposure, all Dread League characters are basically spies.
I thought of making a charisma character with the personality of a sleezy lawyer, like Saul from breaking bad. The symbol of the Black horse of Famine is a set of merchant scales, so that made me think of a lawyer-like character.
>But what is your intention with the character?
To round out my 4 horsemen gimmick. The third horse horse of the apocalypse is supposed to bring famine and economic devastation, so I thought a thief-like character, particularly a ghoul, would fit the archetype.
>There have been a couple villains who stood out as evil. One bought 10 year old foals as slaves, kept them in what is a basically a rape dungeon, and then invited friends over to sexually abuse these foals.
Oh look, Posey's childhood.
>Another villain would tell immigrants he would smuggle them in past customs... Then rob them, chain them into a sweatshop and force them to work, have their life force drained from them by a captive changeling so they could extract the condensed love as changeling honey, and then finally have their drained bodies sacrificed to an evil god, remove their fur and try to sell it for value, make leather for books out of the skin, and then feed the bodies to gnoll minions.
Business as usual in Magehold.

>>180473
>evil characters
It is important to distinguish between evil characters, and neutral characters who without conflict do evil things on occasion. Brie is an evil character (who Im hoping to transition to Chaotic Neutral) whereas Lacy is pure CN.
>electrocuting them to coerce them into transforming into their favored sexual target
I had forgotten that detail. And y'all wondered why Brie fought the party to free the bois.
>arms dealer, smuggler and merchant
Is that a problem? Appreciating youre addressing another player, but thats most of the collective background of Brie AND Lacy
>, is stealing the souls of babies just something level 3 or so characters can just casually do?
As a ritual cast? Kinda

>>180483
>Business as usual in Magehold.
That's my point

>>180486
I'm not sure what you're getting at then. Posey's alignment is subject to change, but as she is she is unequivocally evil.
I made a character that is uber-evil, but that doesn't mean I don't want to be the hero of this story. Posey is based on the antichrist, and I wanted her to be a false Messiah, liberating Equestria by exterminating the changelings, so it could eventually be hers to rule:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgoTQOELMig
Are you saying that you don't want me to be evil? I intended to still take on a heroic role in spite of being evil.

>>180489
>>180483
GM. Without knowing Posey's specific intentions, I can argue the viability of her character, even with the spoopy bits

>>180489
>Are you saying that you don't want me to be evil? I intended to still take on a heroic role in spite of being evil.
I want to be more careful with new characters, especially as I do not know the intent.

I'm not RPing serial killing. Posey has not done that, but I really have no idea what to expect

>>180491
The characters I mentioned above were supposed to be Posey's cohorts, and therefore bound to her sense of vanity and the necessity for subterfuge.
The Red horse is mostly there to kill things that get in Posey's way.
The black horse is mostly built to help Posey secure funds for her army, and roll Diplomacy when charm spells fail.
It's Gloomy's job to bring the end of all days.
>I'm not RPing serial killing. Posey has not done that, but I really have no idea what to expect
No real point in doing that. I want to conquer Equestria and genocide some bugs, not butcher lvl 1 commoners for no reason. Murder hoboing is beneath Posey mostly.

I could make characters that are unrelated to Posey, but that would also be kind of tedious and bloat the story progression.

>>180496
>No real point in doing that
Hey now, I wanted Wesley and Kerr to go apeshit on a pedo country club; theres plenty of reasons to RP serial killing, with proper background

>>180496
To be clear, I have zero problems with the way Posey is and has been played since at the least the time the party got together except maybe the vomiting being a bit over the top, which I can't say about everyone.

>>180501
Equal(?) clarity, Brie knows theres "something there", but more concerned with (imagined, apparently) commue militant factions

>>180501
>except maybe the vomiting being a bit over the top
Noted. I only did it to be funnyfor the sake of everyone's enjoyment, and to demonstrate that Posey is not invincible but in fact a flawed character with weaknesses and the need to rely on others, but in the future I will tone down the frivolous displays of supernatural gore somewhat.
>>180500 →
You are not GM. The question was not for you.
You have not made an in-character post here all week, so don't tell the rest of us how to RP.
I am trying to lay the groundwork so that we'll be able to get to the good stuff once all the players are here. I'm not going to blow anything up until the rest i

>>180503
You are correct.
I am not GM. Anything I posit is subject to GM whim, including line-item.
This is not.my game:
Any agreements and permissions are revokable at will
Any characters adjacent (Brie, Lacy. And yes even Addy) are consodered to be of partial - if noy discretionarily in FULL - property and/or objects to be manipulated by 3xpress will of GM, in absence of (Me)
>absence of me
LOL

>>180506
>last saltycomment
I dont have to sneak up on GM with alot of stupid reasons to have gibs. My mains are the Ryu's, who figure it out the super-hard way. My BGs are are more resourced, if limited in an immediate sense

>>180507
What does any of that mean?

>>180508
It is to suggest that player/characters may be observed to have exploited GM permissiveness ^,_,^

>>180512 →
>This player likes to drive action so they can capitalize
No, I like to drive action, so the game moves forward, so we can finish quests and actually do things.
Also, stop making OOC posts in the RP thread.

>>180514
That explains the salty shitposts about T and Sperm counts.

Washboard.

Dont be a douche, and I wont.
Deal?

>>180515
I haven't even interacted with you in more than a week.
Keep OOC posts here.

>>180516
>keep OOC posts here!
He cries, while blissfully neglecting characters/players who dont habe his luxury of time

Ngl, this is gonna be tricky accommodating Tenebrous AND Cavaliere!

>>180517
>luxury of time
>implying
It takes the same amount of time to post in the ooc thread as it does in the RP thread.
Also, Idk what your situation is, but I don't have a "luxury of time"
>Ngl, this is gonna be tricky accommodating Tenebrous
It's partly for Tenebrous's sake that the ooc thread even exists, so that he doesn't have to sift through off-topic spam to backread what happened in the thread.

>>180518
Compared to other players, by your posting habits, you have a comparable luxury of time versus Tenebrous and Cavaliere.
Lets just resolve to not try to push the story forward artificially until they anf GM have posted.

Surely thats not a bridge too far

>>180519
The story doesn't move forward unless GM says so, and we've avoided getting into combat. All we've done this week is search empty rooms.
>you have a comparable luxury of time
I work ten hours a day.

A quorum for combat is four players. Silver and Posey seem (mostly) available. Cavaliere less so, but he does communicate his availability. Dust is even less available, but still communicative. Tenebrous… kind of just falls off the face of the earth at times. I want to help him catch up as much as I can, but there’s only so much you can do when he doesn’t respond to messages. I don’t think we need a quorum to do thinks like search rolls.

And please stop the constant crossfire posting. It’s not pleasant for either of you, it isn’t pleasant for the rest of us, and definitely keep it out of the game thread

>>180521
Here's where the problem arises.
When you give the most, consistent, and careful responses to your least disciplined players, you conditoon a lack of discipline. When you allow them to "oopsie, did I nudge?" information, action and nuggets when other players are absent, you condition them to not REALLY respect the time and schedules of other players, and you condition main-character syndrome.
Lots of my posts - actual questions - go unanswered seemingly because they get bogged down with OOC posts and "should I blow this thing up? I wanna blow this thing up. Has enough time passed to do a"... and so on. I posed the question about a quorum on Sunday.
I know that left to my own devices I will run roughshod over you and the other players, and I hope that others can be brought to that same level of self-reflection.
Theres an OOC thread now, so that means ALL ooc posts belong here, correct? Excluding exchanges between GM and individual players, of course

Now then, when we ARE playing, Brie is present and detectable with a high DC listen check as the rest of the party is boarding the Freighter, it seems

>>180524
Do you not know how PbP games work?
Players and GMs respond whenever they have time.

>>180524
>Lots of my posts - actual questions - go unanswered seemingly because they get bogged down with OOC posts and "should I blow this thing up? I wanna blow this thing up. Has enough time passed to do a"... and so on. I posed the question about a quorum on Sunday.
Okay, that's a fair sentiment. Nobody like their posts going ignored. My posts get ignored sometimes too, and I don't like it, but I try not to let it bother me because DM has a life too and can't always indulge my posting.
Still, you also have to see it from our perspective. From the flurry of posts you made last weekend, particularly this one: >>180035 → , to anyone else it really looked like you had just ragequit at the time, and it came in context of a lot of other weirdly-cryptic posts that were quite frankly just spam. We would have preferred to have the rogue roll the search check to look for treasure, but you weren't there and we weren't sure you were coming back to begin with. If you would communicate a bit more clearly
Not that I'm perfect either though, as I also seemingly ragequit last week, ghosting the party as I sunk into depression... But I also didn't mean to hold you guys up. Going forward, if I'm unresponsive, please don't be shy to play without me.

Anyways, we don't mean to exclude you. Most of what we experienced in the last week can be summed up by "whale bones, bloodstains, greedy griffons, diary entries of struggling whalers, there was a struggle, made king?, artifact crown?", basically foreshadowing for the next part.
>Theres an OOC thread now, so that means ALL ooc posts belong here, correct? Excluding exchanges between GM and individual players, of course
I made this thread for meta posts, arguing, tangents, and anything that might detract from the enjoyment of the actual roleplay thread. It's not set in stone, but I think everyone would appreciate if tangent posts stayed out of the roleplay thread.
>>180521
>Dust is even less available, but still communicative. Tenebrous… kind of just falls off the face of the earth at times. I want to help him catch up as much as I can, but there’s only so much you can do when he doesn’t respond to messages.
I want to help Tenebrous catch up too, as I really like his character and he seems like a friendly guy.
I'm also detecting that you communicate with some of the other players off-board. It seems as though that doesn't apply to Tenebrous.
>I don’t think we need a quorum to do thinks like search rolls.
I would normally prefer to have the rogue around to search for treasure or traps, but i also want to keep things moving. Idk though.
>And please stop the constant crossfire posting. It’s not pleasant for either of you, it isn’t pleasant for the rest of us
I'm really not trying to be adversarial at all, and I'm trying my best to diffuse tension, but sometimes I do get annoyed. The weird flurry of standoffish spam that came after Posey asked for permission in m-character to finish the soldier last week kind of got on my nerves, because I was just trying to roleplay cooperatively.
Basically:
>hey, my character would totally just kill this guy because she's bloodthirsty, but I also know that we're part of a group, so I'll have her ask for permission so you guys can respond
I really don't know how that came off as antagonistic to Brie's player, but if he has any other issues going forward I would prefer it that he clearly voice them in this thread.
>definitely keep it out of the game thread
I agree.

>>180528
Full transparency: That WAS a rage-quit, but I worked/structured it (after calming down/sobering up - more on that in a moment) so that rather than cutting off the head to spite the neck, Brie decided to put a little distance between himself and the party, in an "anticipating a squadron of commies to jump out of the woodwork" sense. He's hovering 80' overhead.
But that aside, the PRIMARY reason I would like SOME degree of structure/schedule/officiation to the game is because I don't want to be hammered when the game is ongoing, and trust me (you actually know already) you don't want me to be either.
Last weekend I was assured GM would be more or less unavailable, so I proceeded to enjoy the knockouts/finals of the 4cc. I currently have no reason to not anticipate the possibility of gameplay today and tomorrow, and will abstain until action/activity is more or less winding down to start.
As far as spot/skill checks, GM has the only actual copy of Brie's sheet (in consolidated form, I have dozens of blurbs in several notepads) pinned in our discord DMs; his "10" spot check is an 18, and his search is a 21, for future reference.

IF there is gameplay AND I am unresponsive, GM is authorized (as is the nature of RPs) to commandeer Brie in a limited capacity especially as pertains to skill checks, and Brie is the sort who you call out something like "Hey creepy, where the fuck you at?" and he will swoop, appear, or whatever.
I will go ahead and stipulate now that unless expressly doing something, Brie can be said to be actively listening/looking (alternating between listen checks +11 and spot checks +8) around for any changes or points of interest with hostiles/threats being the primary sought. He might get a penalty because of elevation, but he's still trying to see "bad things" before anyone else does, and provide the best advantage before engaging himself (an 80' drop can occur in a single turn, ostensibly with charge/momentum bonuses)

In any case, I have a registered/conditioned ready-action with the GM, so until that is triggered, 'silently' surveilling overhead is all Brie will be doing until called upon in some other capacity.

Y’all are greatly exaggerating the degree to which your posts get overlooked. I see all of them.

>>180528
>I also seemingly ragequit last week
We noticed.

>I'm also detecting that you communicate with some of the other players off-board. It seems as though that doesn't apply to Tenebrous.
I try to communicate with Tenebrous. He doesn’t reply

>I would normally prefer to have the rogue around to search for treasure or traps
I tried to suggest Kira drag her deer-slave along to serve as a rogue skill monkey. He didn’t want to do that, and no one wanted to splay rogue. Even Brie is multi-classed with monk. There was an NPC that would go along in the past to be the party rogue, but she doesn’t make sense here. It’s only Brie.

>>180530
>That WAS a rage-quit
We noticed.

>>180531
Alright. For future reference, please post character actions to the gaming thread.

So, I just want to say. I saw that turn going a LOT better in my head.

>>180704
It was funny though. I liked it.

>>180735 →
Do you have Ascetic Rogue?

>>180704
Its not the first time I've been inadverdently nerfed. Running a 6 lvl shadow monk, we come across some harpies on a cliffside at night, undetected. Kino'ren says "I've got this," knowing she can bamf 60' every turn in darkness as a bonus action (5e).
Right before engaging, the Light cleric decided to be "helpful" and cast a sunlight spell above the what would have been ninja bloodbath, bathing the otherwise undetected ninja in daylight.
*sighs*

>>180743
Negative. I'm running a more basic 5 rogue, 1 monk grapple/stealthkill build

Brie's early background is he was raised on the streets by a changeling of all things, at least early on. Knowing only the criminal underground for most of his early life - at the hands of a bug that eats off you from time to time - made him very sociopathic, but his skills are instinctual and basic, except for one time in Neighpone. He is a LITTLE stacked, but using conventional means, skills, synergy, etc.

>>180746
If you're deadset on Multiclassing Monk/Rogue, you probably want Ascetic Rogue.
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/feats/noncore-featsca.html#ASCETIC%20ROGUE
Otherwise it would be better to just go Ninja/Swordsage.
Not criticizing, just thinking you might want this feat.

>>180749
Its doable, but for meta/story reasons its best I keep his existing layout. He comes from nothing after all, though he was contemplating vying for the assassin PrC

Last one
https://youtube.com/shorts/lWXRDd-TP3M?si=NTc4R551-OI-gCRx

>>180750
Alright, although note that the Swordsage can do a lot of assassin stuff too. The Hand Of Death Maneuver can paralyze its target.
Assassin spells are great too though. I've played a few assassins. The spells are great if you use them right.
Idk, I just thought Swordsage fits the ninja martial artist gimmick you were gunning for. Maybe I shouldn't stick my chef spoon in other people's characters though. Didn't mean to intrude.
>>180757
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>>180776
Is it your intention to keep deleting your comments over and over again?

>>180779
IDK where Brie is gonna go honestly, all the recent with Lacy gives me a whole lot of background and personal motivation to round/flesh out his character way more than ever before. I'm open to "innovative" ways to improve on, when the time comes

Lacy wants Brie's progeny, and Brie wants the security of power. Effectively they both want the same things, but focused on opposite objectives first.

>>180814
No, your character doesn't get fucking Damage reduction 5 on top of damage reduction 2. I said no to that bullshit when you pulled it out of your ass during a fight a year ago. It's still no. Why the fuck are you not satisfied with the highest HP, the highest AC, regenerating health, and Damage reduction 2?!

>>180814
You know what, fuck it. We can change it so that no enemies even bother to attack Posey so that she's immune to everything. I'll just have her unable to make attacks when its necessary for game progression. I have no idea why playing that way is more fun to you, but sure, I'll let you play the way you want to play

>>180819
>No damage reduction
It's your game, but also note that I spent two character levels and almost all of my starting gold to become like this. Posey is level 4, while the rest of the party is 5-6.
Posey has redundant damage reduction from three different sources (lich body, half-vampire, spellstitching); they don't stack, they just overlap. Do you want me to cut out all three of them?
>>180820
I can tell that I have upset you. Can we work it out somehow?
>I have no idea why playing that way is more fun to you
Well, to me it's like playing a vampiric monster, which is fun to me.
I don't want it to be unfun to you though.

>>180819
>I said no to that bullshit when you pulled it out of your ass during a fight a year ago. It's still no.
I must have forgotten this, and I apologize.
Posey would not have survived the Hydra fight if not for the DR5.

>>180749
>swordsage
EWWW no. No offense, but you've seen how long progression takes in this game, I'm not waiting around while "Improved unarmed strike" tries to vie as a decent technique. I'm good.

So GM, I like to present my ideas for my character and make it work with your world. Basically, this is the gist of what I want for this character and decide what works with our world and what needs to be changed.

I'll put this in a spoiler, since I know some people don't like to be spoiled, however, I don't mind if you do. It's only for your benefit that I put it in under a spoiler.

Backstory and motivation:

At Celestia's Sunny Sun orphanage/monastery or whatever I called the place, the Virgin had two fillies that she grow up with that were almost like sisters: Hope's Anchor and Pew Seat. They were all good friends, even though Virgin's and Hopes'es friendship was mostly through Pew Seat which was a filly so nice that you couldn't help but adore her. Hope's Anchor studied magic under the guidance of mother Justeney, the other unicorn at the place and a knowledgeable as well.

So since I don't know the lore, I'm just gonna give the events chronological order and you can tell me when and how they happened. But from what I get of the lore, here's my take:

1. Pew Seat gets abducted by changelings. (Did she die? I don't know. She could've if you wish. That's up for you to decide but both Virgin and Hope's assumes that she did.)

2. Hope's fights with what's essentially her surrogate mother (essentially all three's surrogates mother), Justeney. Hope's want to learn more dangerous and powerful spells but Justeney doesn't want to teach her.

3. Occupied Equestria happens and with the death/disappearance/or-whatever-happened of the Princesses, Hope's compltely disillusioned with the monastray and filled with hatred for the changelings.

4. She tries to convince Virgin of joining the Steel Hooves with her but Virgin can't forgive them for their part in Occupied Equestria_tm. Then she says something about how the Princesses were just mere mortals and they disagree.

5. In the end, Hope's leave and the last clue, maybe letter, ticket, or maybe she just said where she was going, leads to Baltimare.

6. For whatever reason, Virgin doesn't go after her immediately and is delayed perhaps with the war complications and stuff, or perhaps the wounds of what they said were too fresh. But now she's here in Baltimore, on this quest to find her and save her soul.

I would enjoy if you could fit her into the narrative in the world. I'd also liked it if she rivaled my character in power, like that she's a level 6 but instead of monk she's a powerful spell caster.

Past that and these things about her past, you have free reign to make her in whatever way you feel. Develop her skills set in anyway you want and so on. I trust you. ^^

So Virgin's goal is to find her but it shouldn't happened to fast. We gotta have some nice slow pacing for big reveal. ^^

But I thought it be cool if she somehow get embroiled in whatever the rest of the pc party is doing, or someone of these ponies. That way it could bridge the gap between the others and, well, me.

Just an idea. You do whatever you feel like. Just wanted to tell you what I would like. ^^

Also, these are Hope's colors:
A bit of a retcon but I think I prefer the right most one to be her body/fur color and the other two colors being the dual colors of her mane.

>>180921
>with our world
Meant *your*.

>>180921
>But I thought it be cool if she somehow get embroiled
With "she", I meant Hope's Anchor not Virgin.

I want to emphasize that there was absolutely no attempt to figure out what the tiara was, where it came from, what culture made it, what religion it belongs to, what it does, if it's intelligent, or anything about the tiara before placing it on. There was no knowledge: religion roll, no Arcana roll, no Appraise roll, no attempt to look closely at it to see if there was any written text on it, no attempt to identify the creature depicted on it, no anything. Just "lol a cursed item let me activate it!"

There was a disarm roll to remove it from Posey's hoof that was just ignored by Posey's player.

I would like it to be known that the tiara absolutely could have been taken home by Posey, studied, and yes, ultimately be safely made to wear and even to be something like a phylactery. All that had to happen was for her to not immediately put on the very obviously cursed tiara.

>>180921
Oh I can definitely work with that.

Any personality aspects of Hope's Anchor I should know about?

>>180926
That disarm roll was 19, from the yellow griffin, was targeted at Posey, and was before she put it on. It was accompanied by words in plain english that the crown was cursed and don't put it on. The disarm roll and the warning were both blatantly ignored by Posey's player, with no counter roll

>>180927
Thank you, that makes me really happy.^^

I look forward to playing again. Feel no pressure or responsibility for that though. ;^P

>Any personality aspects of Hope's Anchor I should know about?
Not that I can think of right now. What I wrote is basically, everything about her. I guess, her character so far boils down to an atheist spell caster with a hatred for changelings probably also some kind of ptsd from having lost her dear friend, Pew Seat, and mixed feelings for mother Justeney. The reason she carries the can of soda in her hooves in the flashback btw, is because she's sore from practicing her magic too much. I imagine the powerful magics she desired to learn from Justeney was like evocation spells but I don't necessarily want to her limited to that, I just think they fit the theme of "powerful spells".

I think I want to you to fill in the blanks for her character. If I come up with something cool maybe I'll add that in a flashback. However, I feel like I'd honestly like the idea of giving you this character. So, I'd run by you if I have a cool idea for this character and you can implement it if you like but ultimately you get the final say on the matter. That way it be an interesting surprise to see what happens.

Yeah, I like this idea. So I hereby declare that: Hope's Anchor is yours! ^^

>>180929
Yes! Now I know. I'll just tell you whenever Virgin has one of her flashback episodes with the character and you can just play her in those flashbacks. That's nice. Because I still wanted to have flashbacks regarding Virgin's time at the orphanage and it then makes sense to have scenes with the two of them. But then you can simply take over the wheel for her character in those episodes. Nice.

>>180929
>>180930
Does this sound okay for you?

>>180921
Curses, this is what I was gonna do. Nicely done.

The following are my OOC-Meta intentions for Brie in THIS mission/segment:
1. Transition (cuz reasons) from Neutral Evil to Chaotic Neutral
2. Get his Cutie Mark (yes, he's a grown-ass stallion who still doesn't have his CM)
3. MAKE IT BACK ALIVE (he's having moments in his head where he's having to reevaluate and challenge many/most presuppositions, it's all very canonical)

He is evil, but he's coming to a point of realizing that there's a fine line between necessary evil (mafia shit that helps protect the community, and enforces a standard of decorum that prevents socially abusive lawlessness) and unnecessary evil (this cursed crown incident really helped).
He's never been one to shy away from getting his hooves dirty (nor ever will), and has always always asserted/appealed to a sense of decorum even when being lawless. But his idea of "evil" is mundane, corruption, and nefarious conspiracies. Spoopy evil magic is well beyond his wheelhouse.

I'm not saying he's turning over a new leaf right NOW, but it's brewing. Where once he was looking at the world as needing someone to balance 'things', NOW he is starting to grasp what the world needs to be balanced 'AGAINST'.

>>180931
Also, as not-GM, I think it's fantastic. ^_^

And as a piece of advice for Posey (appreciating if it isn't desired, but I'm being quite forthright and sincere in this):
Consider a calculatingly evil character. For example, I'm going with Arkhan the Cruel in Critical Role campaign 1. I'll spare most of the details.

Arkhan - an openly evil oathbreaker paladin devoted to Tiamat - never hid the fact that he was evil. He was openly and proudly and honorably evil. And he fought the good fight bla bla bla. But he wanted the hand of Vecna, so he hatched a very long and convoluted plan to orchestrate the surreptitious gaffling of the hand.
His 'betrayal' of the party was so clean and surgical, that barely had the words "This was just business" escaped his lips, he was gone and escaped.

Rosey is well established to want things. But she is also conniving and calculating. Please, let her not be so quick to try to "ascend" right this instance, perhaps have her be gathering the means to and do so behind closed doors when no one is watching (and we're not still in combat).

>>180939 →
It was a fair tactic, tbh. Most of us have good Fortitude saves or resistance/immunity to the spell. Brie, sadly, got screwed, but we still won in the end.
A stunned character drops whatever its holding, and can't take any actions. Had the enemies not made splendid rolls, it could have ended the fight.
Next time just give us a warning

>>180926
>There was no knowledge: religion roll, no Arcana roll, no Appraise roll, no attempt to look closely at it to see if there was any written text on it, no attempt to identify the creature depicted on it
Yeah, I probably should have done that...
>There was a disarm roll to remove it from Posey's hoof that was just ignored by Posey's player.
I didn't ignore it though. Silver succeeded in knocking it off.
>I would like it to be known that the tiara absolutely could have been taken home by Posey, studied, and yes, ultimately be safely made to wear and even to be something like a phylactery. All that had to happen was for her to not immediately put on the very obviously cursed tiara.
Sorry...

>>180928
I misunderstood the situation. I was tired. It was a dumb idea.

>>180941
It was, and on a very real note it was an excellent opportunity for me to engage in strategies I'm developing to try and control my less socially-acceptable reactions to adverse situations. I don't regret it having happened at all, though it took a WHOLE lot of effort to not lose my shit.

I would like to apologize to everyone for my actions last night. I was tired and getting impatient to try it after waiting all week, but I shouldn't have done that. Even in-character, Posey would know better than to try on something before taking a free action to examine it first, because she's a professional.
I just really wanted that crown, and I have fancy for cursed items, and I thought I had made my intentions to put it on clear at first. It was wrong of me to just do that without ample warning.
I didn't see the disarm checks, I thought those were just attack rolls.

>>180946
Imo, as long as a lesson has been learned - and I say this being in the process of teaching myself alot of lessons - then the only thing you have to apologize for IMO is not posting the anonfilly/twilight version of that image

Not to belabor the point, but "realizing an apology is appropriate" is not the lesson. I can't really say what the lesson is, but if it were me it would involve taking stock of "what caused me to behave in the way I did, and how do I combat those impulses and proclivities going forward?"

>>180946
Apology accepted!

>>180948
Very true, very true

>>180428
>>180465
>I rly hope Vul doesnt object to my appropriation of her likeness, especially in a criminal context
You can just ask him. He's not hard to reach, just send him a message on Ponerpics. Why not drag him into the game and have him play as Lucky? She's not an adventurer (yet) so it wouldn't be a demanding role for him. It would be awesome to have him, but he's quite busy as an artist.

I get your conniptions about your characters being romantical with other players' PCs, but I'm not entirely keen on having one's own two PCs being in a literal or metaphorical circlejerk. I mean, it eliminates any mystery in how the other character will respond to indications, words, or actions, and at that point why not just write a self-contained FiM story? When playing Amber, the most fun interactions with her coltfriend Mustard Trim have not so much been the raunchy moments as much as the attempts to understand each other, which often fail. If her relationship were entirely platonic (which it could have ended up being) it would still be worthwhile because it is interesting in its own right. Silver and Kira are under the same player, and they are in the same quest, but they won't necessarily be maintaining close proximity after this quest. It sounds like Brie and Lacy Row will be, so a good part of their respective stories will be just monologuing with no outside input. I like the concept of Lacy Row and if this is the only way you will have her then go for it, but I prefer interplayer interaction. That doesn't mean either character has to go around kissing other PCs, but there's room to explore.

>>180449
So she's basically a dwarf.
Also, protecc this mare, not just because she's especially cute (she is), but because without her virginity she would need a name change, and that is a bureaucratic headache.

>>180483
>I see. I thought you were okay with Posey having minions though, and ponies who follow her cause would logically be evil.
You can have evil without being eviller than the average Western politician or Latin American cartel leader. In fact, fiction has no shortage of evil minions who aren't really that evil, or are loveable goofballs. Why not go for something like that? Gloomy is likeable as a character who was raised in a purely evil setting but who is not deliberately and maliciously evil. He's more of a character from The Addams Family.
>I thought of making a charisma character with the personality of a sleezy lawyer, like Saul from breaking bad. The symbol of the Black horse of Famine is a set of merchant scales, so that made me think of a lawyer-like character.
That sounds good
>Oh look, Posey's childhood.
>Business as usual in Magehold.
You can see how that throws a wrench into the DM's atmospheric worldbuilding. If anything grimdark in the setting gets repeatedly outdone by a PC hailing from the grimdarkest corner of the world, it loses its impact. Mind you, it's a setting based on Friendship is Magic, which is supposed to be bubbly and happy and the existence at all of your "business at usual" implies something has gone horribly wrong.

Your ideas for how the game should go are both really cool, but they are at a loggerheads. At one point I wanted to make a serial killer evil character, but I'm glad I didn't because it would have led to problems like this. I don't want to discourage you, but you should expect some occasional pushback from the GM until it's somehow resolved.

>>180514
>>180516
>Keep OOC posts here.
GM hasn't said that we need to.
>It's partly for Tenebrous's sake that the ooc thread even exists, so that he doesn't have to sift through off-topic spam to backread what happened in the thread.
Okay I respect that, and I hope he comes back to play.

>>180530
As a fellow enjoyer of alcohol, I recommend moderating your intake. This is coming from a happy sort of drunk.
>IF there is gameplay AND I am unresponsive, GM is authorized (as is the nature of RPs) to commandeer Brie in a limited capacity especially as pertains to skill checks, and Brie is the sort who you call out something like "Hey creepy, where the fuck you at?" and he will swoop, appear, or whatever.
>I will go ahead and stipulate now that unless expressly doing something, Brie can be said to be actively listening/looking (alternating between listen checks +11 and spot checks +8) around for any changes or points of interest with hostiles/threats being the primary sought. He might get a penalty because of elevation, but he's still trying to see "bad things" before anyone else does, and provide the best advantage before engaging himself (an 80' drop can occur in a single turn, ostensibly with charge/momentum bonuses)
Thank you!
>>180746
>5 rogue, 1 monk
I know experience isn't being taken too seriously in this game, but that's going to hit your experience gain. Also, won't Brie's light armor affect his monk abilities (I ask, as Cavaliere used stunning fist while wearing a leather jacket classed as light armor)?

>>180785
>Lacy wants Brie's progeny
Wouldn't that conflict with her job running a strip club? Brie's not likely to be a particularly good, or faithful father either.

>I can tell that I have upset you. Can we work it out somehow?
GM Pone is upset because his world is grounded as a mix of FiM and a modern setting. There are some exceptional ponies capable of great feats, but fearful monsters are in decline and mass-produced weapons are easily capable of killing even hardened heroes. A shootout with even average gangsters is meant to be thrilling, and the heroes should have to avoid getting shot through tactics and stealth. Nigh-unkillable monsters are meant to be extremely rare and very difficult to deal with. I wasn't there when the party fought undead creatures in the catacombs but having read through it, it looked to be slog taking multiple trips and several close calls. The last undead were finished off with smarts rather than strength. Posey being the nigh-unkillable monster breaks all that.

>>180921
What are the steel hooves? I like her backstory!
>color pattern
The way I envision it, it doesn't look good. Also, what's her eye color? I recommend using a pony creator tool like this one: https://www.numuki.com/game/mlp-pony-creator/

>>180933
>Transition (cuz reasons) from Neutral Evil to Chaotic Neutral
Doesn't the rulebook say a character can move only adjacently in alignment? Wouldn't he have to become Chaotic Evil or True Neutral first?
>Get his Cutie Mark (yes, he's a grown-ass stallion who still doesn't have his CM)
Blank-Flank!
>I'm not saying he's turning over a new leaf right NOW, but it's brewing. Where once he was looking at the world as needing someone to balance 'things', NOW he is starting to grasp what the world needs to be balanced 'AGAINST'.
Interesting!

>>180946
We all make hasty decisions sometimes when tired, it's alright. Only thing lost is time and some post numbers.

>>180952
>the issue of Lacy and Brie
I can see your concerns, and outside of a particularly justifying context, Lacy is not intended to be a combat-oriented PC. If anything, Lacy's business will be her singular location that Brie might sometimes be found at. I'm not going to RP any dialogue between them that other PCs aren't present for, and while they are expressly romantic, that will all occurr "off camera" outside some cheeky one-liners.
As far as inviting Vul, I'll consider it. In general I am amazed at his work (I had been unknowingly familiar with him previously) but I also admit that I can suffice with "Almost-Lucky" (appearance wise) who I can customize along specific lines.
In alot of ways, Lacey justifies alot of character development I had always wanted for Brie, as well as giving all manner of context for his backstory and how he came to be the bat that he is. It's the kind of thing that I really hope to depict in game, but not - as you describe - a one-poster circle-jerk.

The intended dynamic between the two is that she is the privileged daughter of a traditional yakuza-style criminal family who cuz of many reasons decided that Brie belongs to her, in spite of overt refusal from her family. Lots of drama and possible story-arcs there.
To Brie, she is a complete enigma, who is JUST bent in JUST the right ways that she's irresistable. Business partners at times, fierce compeditors at others, business always comes first, but they both can't stop playing the game. Through her lineage and upbringing, she has access to devastating traditional techniques, but physically (aside from lewd) there's nothing impressive about her, seemingly able to snap in a stiff breeze, and yet cunning and deadly and brilliant and,... she is gonna be a driving force for his increased participation back in and around Baltimare.

>>180953
>dont the rules say
Of all the rules to defy, I'm okay with this one

>>180954
That is a great explanation and you've won me over on this idea.
>As far as inviting Vul, I'll consider it.
Please do! He's even drawn Amber before
>pic related

>>180933
>Curses, this is what I was gonna do. Nicely done.
^^ Really?

>>180934
Thank you. It warms the heart.

>>180952
>protecc this mare, not just because she's especially cute (she is)
^^

>>180953
>What are the steel hooves?
I'm probably just wrong but I thought that was the name of the nationalistic pony military faction in Baltimare, but it was forever ago I knew.
>I like her backstory!
Aww, thank you.
>The way I envision it, it doesn't look good.
> I recommend using a pony creator tool like this one:
I'll check it out but I do think that the color scheme look nice when I envision it though. ^^

>>180957
>I'm probably just wrong but I thought that was the name of the nationalistic pony military faction in Baltimare, but it was forever ago I knew.
That's the Blackhooves, and they rule from New Baltimare (which is actually an ocean away). Their leader is Duke Haygel, but he and his advisors aren't directly relevant to the plot.
>I'll check it out but I do think that the color scheme look nice when I envision it though. ^^
Pony Creator is great because when I used it way back when, I had an accessible way of depicting and posing Amber. It doesn't come close to hand-drawn art, but it's a good baseline to get a feel for the appearance of a character.

>>180957
>Really?
Yeah. I have a habit of trying to keep my characters enigmatic with all kinds of lore and references (that no one ever gets because I never explain any of it), but I woke up deciding to give a better outline so that when I am depicting Brie, players can understand the type of "enigmatic" character that the other players can only guess at and react to.
While it can be fun for all to surprise players with revelations about characters, without the proper background info it falls flat and is boring/uninteresting.
I mean c'mon, I want people to know why I think what he is doing (and why) is so cool. :3

>>180956
Amber is so pretty.

>>180952
Also, the strip club is a money-laundering front for her prostitution, smuggling, and information brokerage, that also serves as an embassy of sorts for her family's business ventures in the area.
It's not so much that she wants Brie's progeny, it's that she wants to be able to HAVE Brie's progeny and NOT have them be taken/killed by the family, which is a difficult development to manage so far.

>>180958
I might make a detailed description of her, like I intended to do for Virgin.
>It doesn't come close to hand-drawn art, but it's a good baseline to get a feel for the appearance of a character.
Yeah, that makes sense.

>That's the Blackhooves, and they rule from New Baltimare (which is actually an ocean away).
Thank you. Now, I know.
Virgin is in New Baltimare, I realize now, or rather remember, I just didn't remember that there existed two Baltimares in this world.

>>180962
Question for the DM: Are strip clubs even legal in Baltimare? Although there is a prolific underworld, gambling is explicitly illegal and even conventional nightclubs (like the Club Maurice) are harassed by the law at times. Such places might still exist in secret though.
>It's not so much that she wants Brie's progeny, it's that she wants to be able to HAVE Brie's progeny and NOT have them be taken/killed by the family, which is a difficult development to manage so far.
Fair. Is her family in conflict with the Waterfront Gang? Iron seems to have stopped playing but the gang is still around.

>>180963
She is in New Baltimare? New Baltimare is the former Equestrian colony in Griffonia and is the seat of the Blackhooves's power. Regular (old) Baltimare is a city in eastern Equestria and is under occupation. All active PCs are based in (old) Baltimare.

>>180964
I expressly asked. Strip clubs yes, but not prostitution or gambling (yes, theres also gambling at her place; the only major vice she DOESNT serve is drugs).
Her family isn't well fleshed out yet, and its chock full of Shounen stereotypes, but as far as official alliances/adversaries,... maybe?

>>180965
>Strip clubs yes
Makes sense, given that there are no mores against nudity for ponies so this would be a legal loophole. Being aroused in public probably, but otherwise not. Will you be hosting gambling sessions in-game? GM Pone doesn't want to do it.
It seems there will be a lot more politicking to look out for. That's always been a strong point of this setting so the inter-gang conflicts will be fun.

>>180967
Well to be clear, the door would be wide open for inter-gang politics if GM wanted to introduce those elements. Additionally, he has an entire framework to play with to do with the multi-family dynamics back in Neighpon that could spill over into Baltimare, that I would have no issue spearheading the creation of, assisting in, or being entirely ignorant of. It's a whole bunch of different categories that contextually just got added to his rolodex of future content, if desired to be explored.
>gambling sessions
I will have to think about it. Initially I want to say hard "no", but I suspect that something could be arranged. It would be far more story and RP related, and far less to do with basic dice rolls than one might expect, but that sounds like something that could be fun that Lacey would naturally be the Maitre' D for.

Oh curses, it's happening again.
It suddenly occurs to me how ham-fisted it is to just retcon in a strip club, etc. While permissible in certain game styles, it would be far better to have a grand opening,....

>>180968
>Neighpon
You keep bringing that up. I'm not sure if that country is in EaW, and if it is based off Japan it would be populated by kirins (who are a stand-in for Asians). How would a batpony be in a Neighponese crime family, in Baltimare? There's room for backstory there.
>I will have to think about it.
I ask because Cavaliere, although lawful good, is an avid gambler, and gambling is a good way to gather information from disreputable sorts. Plus, it's fun, and although I cannot speak for Silver's player he might enjoy it too.
>it would be far better to have a grand opening
I like that idea!

I wrote more than 1400 words about why Posey putting on the tiara pisses me off. I'm not sure I should post it, but it was definitely necessary for me to write it.

>>180968
Okay, so I haven' commented on the nightclub, but first off:

"Neighpone" is not a place in Equestria at war. You could probably insert it... somewhere, but I have idea where that is.

In Occupied Equestria, much like real life, organized criminal syndicates form mostly under ethnic lines by groups of immigrants. Baltimare's "Waterfront Gang" is actually kind of unique within the setting for being comparatively multicultural, and even then, it's lead by a native and has a clear relationship with Diamond Dogs as the main assistants. A random immigrant just walking in and taking over in a location where she is alien just seems... Unnatural.

Baltimare has a very firmly established monopoly on organized crime: The Waterfront Gang, lead by The Lady, and enabled by the Social Democrat Party. Any other operators of illegal gambling or whatever within Baltimare are going to be automatically at war with both The Waterfront Gang, and the Police.

Also, as I said to Posey:

Bat Ponies are not indigenous to "Neighpone." They are specifcally indigenous to the Equestrian Southeast. Whatever "neighpone" is, bat ponies don't come from there.

>>180970
>how, kirins?
This is where my ignorance of EaW starts to shine through,... I sorta always thought of bat ponies as asians or stand-ins, like how ziggers and griffons,....
>>180971
Again, I'm increasingly appreciative about how the idea needs work,.... But uh, you see the direction I'm TRYING to go with it,....

>>180964
>New Baltimare is the former Equestrian colony in Griffonia and is the seat of the Blackhooves's power.
I'm pretty certain she's there from what I remember from the first session with this character years ago. It also makes the sense for her character to be looking for her lost friend who presumably joined the Blackhooves at their seat of power, know that I think about it.

Thank you for your lore insights.

>>180959
>why I think what he is doing (and why) is so cool. :3
^^
You mean like that others need proper setup to get the payoff? Yeah, it is a bit hard to know how to implement such story telling ideas into a game like this. Hopefully, our characters can entertain us.

>>180968
If you're interested in opening a business and not being an adventurer, consider the dragonlance Master class:
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/classes/baseDragonlance/master.html
The Master class is basically a better version of the Expert NPC class. It lets you optimize certain downtime skills. It absolutely sucks in combat, but you won't care when you're making fat stacks of cash using the Profession skill.
Then check the DMG2 rules for running a business, which involves a specialized profession check. This basically turns it into a business management minigame (pic related).
Your lvl 5 starting gold is about everything you need to buy moderately sized building, as well as the supplies you need for your business.
After you've established your franchise, you could even turn your establishment into a guild, using Favored In Guild, Leadership and GuildMaster.

>>180974
>>180976
There are a couple options for a Japanese-influenced character's origins. You have the kirin cultures, obviously, but there is a pony option out there, however odd it may be. Lake City, also known as Jezeragrad, is a pony country in the Riverlands (Eastern Griffonia) based loosely on Serbia judging from its language, but it also has a lot of Japanese flavor to it at the same time. A couple specific examples are a focus in its Princely Restoration path granting planes the ability to suicide attack (kamikaze), and the various manufacturing Guilds within the nation, including one guild named "Maresubishi". It wouldn't be too hard to develop other varied Japanese-inspired elements such as the Yakuza coming out of Lake City, or from Lakeish immigrants.

>>180971
GM, after a night of rest, I want to say that I apologize for my actions last night. What I did was stupid, inconsiderate, disruptive, broke character, and didn't even make sense in the context at the moment.
I should have considered your feelings when I did what I did. As a DM myself, I should have known that DMs do a lot more work behind the screen than is obvious to the players, and that it can be really demoralizing when a player suddenly decides to do something profoundly stupid, especially when concerning a powerful artifact. A DM is a player too and deserves to have fun with the game, and to have their efforts validated. I'm sorry to cause you so much unnecessary stress.

I could explain the logic of what I did in a way that makes me look better, but it wouldn't change the fact that I was in the wrong.

I hope we can work out a way to resolve what happened (or didn't happen, because technically me neglecting to roll opposed disarm checks amounts to choosing to fail them), in a way that makes things better.

If you want to dump your angry rant, that's fine with me. I won't take it personally or get depressed like I did last week (I was dealing with real life trouble at the time and I was at a breaking point).

>>180974
None of the EaW races are completely 1-to-1 equivalents with real-life races. The closest we get to that is zebras = Africans and kirins = Asians. Other than that we get:
Ponies = Americans and Europeans including British and French (Equestria), Russians (Severyanans), Sami (snowponies), Mesoamericans (southeast tribals), and Czechs + Ancient Greeks + Balkan Slavs (River Ponies)
Changelings = German but Imperial Griffons are also German (don't ask why)
Griffons are also a slew of other European nationalities
Deer = Finns, Gypsies and Indians
Hippogriffs = Americans
Buffalo = Injuns
Minotaur = Greeks
Saddle Arabians = Arabs
Oh, and batponies are some sort of stand-in for Afro-Americans because they are discriminated against and stay up at night, but otherwise have nothing in common.

Confused yet? You should be. The easiest way to learn the basics is to open the EaW map and tag switch to learn which country has which race and which culture.

>>180979
>>180981
Tbh, I'm really not fond of EaW world building in some ways. It's a good pony adaptation for HoI, but it's world-building leaves a lot to be desired. Imperial Japan was a major player in WWII, but EaW doesn't really represent Asia well at all, despite having equivalencies for other countries. When they added Kirin they made them part of the Zebra continent.
As for languages, maybe we could consolidate languages into language groups? 3.5e doesn't account for humanoids if the same race having hundreds of different languages. D20 modern, which is based on real life, makes it much easier for PCs to learn new languages.

>>180981
Herzland Griffons are like this weird mix of Austrians and Byzantines, while Equus Changelings (not Greneclyf Changelings) are German Germans.

>>180975 →
Unfortunately, I loathe HOI4. It took me 170 hours to realize I just don't enjoy it (with at least 100 of those hours being EaW). My autism is simply not alligned with map simulators. Strange, cause I fucking love Risk but I can't get into games like HOI4, Stellaris, or CKII.

>>180978
I'm not interested in ACTUAL values of money, I want the established pretense. I hate accountant shit IRL, I don't want to do it in game. Lacey WILL have an established character sheet, in anticipation of the possibility that GM someday decides "Ha ha, she's getting kidnapped and has to escape", or even something as mundane as her wee sexy frame deciding to give the bouncers a break and fuck up somepony causing a scene. She will not be INTENDED for combat, but she will be well suited to it.
Though, I will admit to having bookmarked this one page that describes how to have absurd money at level 1, and then building her up to level 6 by comparison advancement in the DMG (which I found recently ^_^), so maybe I will get autistic and do that. Idk
>>180979
Well, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to modify what I have to fit in as her family being tied to an existing Kirin dynastic family. Like, historically this family of bats could have been private ninjas or something, who in 'present day' have come to be involved/significant in some area of criminal underground? I want to keep the japanese style/motif, as well as the underlying theme of Brie having stumbled into a specific area of the criminal world that is normally reserved for elite families. Its tropey as shit, I know, but it makes me smile and it is exactly the sort of context that would motivate Brie to seek money and power. NGL, unless inspired I'm not big on the specific details; I don't have any specifics about her appearance yet other than "Looks like Lucky, and has a weird sclera effect for her family's eyes". Eventually I will be inspired to include details, and those details will always have been so.
>>180981
Very confused. I've been pouring through one of the many, surprisingly many EaW wikis.

>>180980
I wasn't affected since I wasn't playing at the time but
pat pat
>>180982
>Tbh, I'm really not fond of EaW world building in some ways.
It comes from a bunch of disparate headcanons being reconciled with each other and with an increasingly disjointed canon world. It could certainly be improved upon.
>As for languages, maybe we could consolidate languages into language groups? 3.5e doesn't account for humanoids if the same race having hundreds of different languages. D20 modern, which is based on real life, makes it much easier for PCs to learn new languages.
I'm totally in favor of this, but it's not something that's easily done on the fly. We really could use an official OE handbook to help with all this. A lot of good stuff from DnD Modern and other systems could be ported over.

>>180985
>I've been pouring through one of the many, surprisingly many EaW wikis.
All of them are probably out of date
>weird sclera effect
If you really want it, go for it, but changeling infiltrators are singled out for having weird eyes so keep that in mind.

>>180985
It's not really all that complicated. It's just a few d20 rolls using your skill mod. If you can handle playing a rogue, you can handle running a fictional business.

>>180987
There's fun tables you can roll for story events related to your business.
The DMGII is full of these fun rules. It's a good book.

>>180987
>>180988
While I can appreciate that that's all appreciable, for me that is the OPPOSITE of what I want to do. I just want the pretense of a modest business that covers for a very profitable and very illegal series of ciminal enterprise, under the auspices of a well established family of japanese-esque origins. Actual in-game money and valuables are of little interest to me as a player, just as long as my players have the "fine things" that their background and story would afford.

I've got plans for a business for my character(s), though that's more just for a little bit of passive income to help support my NPC collection addiction and to provide the facilities for crafting all kinds of equipment for all of the characters.

>>180929
Oh, I can definitely think of ideas for the character I hope I can do her justice.

>>180930
Hmmm... Well, for now, you control her, so I can see more of what your vision for her is. I suppose that if you want longer, interactive flashbacks, then we can do that, if perhaps a little later.

>>180989
Imo, the real draw of it is having rules for running your business and story events related to your business. Profit checks once a month are just icing on the cake.
Suit yourself though. I just wanted to inform you that 3.5e has rules to accommodate all that stuff.
I had intended to pursue that with Posey after she bought some land, it being a Criminal enterprise, with a Research lab (University) as it's front, with the University of Arcane Sciences as it's associated guild.
>>180990
Passive income to support NPCs is probably the best use of it, aside from flavor.
You only make a profit check once per in-game month.
>>180929
Sounds like a Warmage:
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/classes/baseCarc/warmage.html
Warmage is a class that is easy to play, and even easier to build: all of the spells are already chosen for you. I recommend it for new players who just want to blow things up.
In my games, I typically use it for enemy spellcasters, since it saves me the trouble of having to build a complex character sheet every time.
It's much weaker than Wizard or Sorcerer due to fixed spell access, but it gets all the good SRD evocation damaging spells, and more.
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/magic/spells/classSpellLists/warmageSpells.html

>>180993
I can see the merit for the structure and rules, especially as something of an element for a base of operations or a recurring campaign setting, et al. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, though I'm not sure I want to engage that level of detail. Better first to fix the freakin' backstory.
That's another thing, I like to play fast and loose with the parts of backstories that will never get presented; dead relatives, being an easy example

>>180980
Well this makes me feel much better. You have no idea how pissed off I was. Seriously, for like 14 hours (including sleeping) I was fuming.

>I could explain the logic of what I did in a way that makes me look better, but it wouldn't change the fact that I was in the wrong.
You know what, I would like to hear that.

From where I sit, I am aware that what the tiara actually does is immediately mind control whomever puts it on, makes them more powerful than they were before, and then makes them hostile to whomever is around them. Posey deliberately putting it on comes off as outright malicious, and in a self-destructive way that is impossible for me to understand except extreme dickishness.

I get that the tiara having that effect isn't immediately obvious, but it's definitely telegraphed multiple times. In the notes its described as "possessing" its wearer, the red griffin wearing it is described as "not acting on his own volition" when it's asked why he is immune to Posey's fear effects, the unseen servant is described as "repulsed" by it, when Posey picks it up it is described as feeling like it has a static electrical charge, and then when Posey attempts to put it on, all of the griffins who have experience with it become hostile, and two of them describe it as "cursed" in English and Norwiegen. I get that that's not quite the same thing as explicitly stating that it is the instrument of TPK that it is, but I think that that states pretty clearly that putting it on is not only inadvisable, but inadvised; that is to say, I'm telling you don't do it. Then posts like >>180853 → imply to me that you actually expected the result you got. Combined with the fact that there was no effort to try to identify what it did with Arcana, it's hard for me to interpret this situation as anything other than you explicitly hoping to derail the entire quest line for shits and giggles.

>>180944
What did you think that the situation was?

>>180864 →
Where did this idea come from? Seriously, why would you believe this, and more importantly, why would you not attempt to confirm it in any way at all?

>>180843 →
It's not even actually a crown. It's just a tiara

>>180995
>a tiara
Ha, a dude was wearing a tiara! GAY!

>>180997
You should have seen what Brie was doing with a griffin

oooooo...oowooo?

>>180995
>You have no idea how pissed off I was. Seriously, for like 14 hours (including sleeping) I was fuming.
That makes me feel kind of bad... I'm sorry.
>You know what, I would like to hear that.
Well, here goes nothing.
I'll start by saying that what I did came from a bad place, and nothing I say is to justify my actions. I was tired and trying a new ADD medication, and the result was me acting like an inconsiderate fuck-up.
Anyway
>why would you not attempt to confirm it in any way at all?
>no effort to try to identify what it did with Arcana
Well, for starters, in my experience of playing 3.5e, rolling arcana doesn't usually reveal the effects of an item. I thought it was same for this game, as my arcana checks didn't really reveal the functions of the hyena totem or mask I found last year. I figured the only real way to learn the effects of an item is to try to use it.
>I am aware that what the tiara actually does is immediately mind control whomever puts it on, makes them more powerful than they were before, and then makes them hostile to whomever is around them.
Well, I thought that since it was capable of mind-controlling it's target, it must have a mind of its own, be it and intelligent item, a demon possessing it, or an undead spirit possessing it. I believed it was an intelligent item, as any hostile intelligent item can be considered to be cursed. Because I believed amit was an intelligent item, I treated it as an NPC that could potentially give us information or be negotiated with, and that the best way to know what its deal was was to listen to it by trying it on.
I actually thought of the crown to be something like a character foil for Posey: a evil item cursed by the nature of its making, trying to control others through power and fear, because deep down it's a lonely item that just wants to be treasured, adored and worn in all it's golden glory, since intelligent items universally wqnt to be used. I had typed out lines for what I would have said to it if it tried to communicate with Posey.
I also believed that the item would have a passable saving throw, so I decided to take the risk.
>unseen servant is described as "repulsed" by it, when Posey picks it up it is described as feeling like it has a static electrical charge
>describe it as "cursed"
See, in the moment, I was thinking reverse psychology here, and saw that as a challenge to experience the curse first hand, believing that there would be a detailed description awaiting me for the experience of the crown attempting to corrupt its wearer, kind of like the dream sequences in earlier threads. The description of it being cursed and evil only made it more attractive to Posey in character, and me out of character (I was curious). I know it's self-centered now, but since last week I believed that crown was an item made for Posey to try, even if doing so came with risks. Posey, in-character, believes in destiny, so she thought this was her moment.
>I get that that's not quite the same thing as explicitly stating that it is the instrument of TPK that it is
Well, the item didn't kill us when the griffon used it, so I didn't believe it was powerful enough to TPK us if Posey had it.
Of course, Posey becoming a hostile NPC is a danger to the party, but Silver had a readied action to knock it off her head if she became possessed after I announced my plan to do it, so I thought we would be able to handle it easily while gaining information about the item.
>I think that that states pretty clearly that putting it on is not only inadvisable, but inadvised; that is to say, I'm telling you don't do it.
Yeah... That makes sense in hindsight, but my communication skills irl aren't great, and even worse through text.
Instead of "don't do it" I read it as "Are you BRAVE enough to do it?" Pics related.
>Then posts like >>180853 → → imply to me that you actually expected the result you got.
I fully expected the item to try to dominate Posey (although I didn't expect it was so powerful that only a Nat 20 could pass it; that sounds like a deity-level major artifact), and I was prepared to face the consequences if it succeeded. I was also prepared to rely on Silver's readied action to knock it off of Posey's head as well.
Silver rolled a Nat 20 to knock it off, and Posey would have been flat-footed and unable to oppose the check.
>What did you think that the situation was?
I thought they were attack rolls meant to be resolved after Posey's action, to help Silver disarm the crown if Posey became possessed. This actually made me consider the situation to be even safer, because several characters where there to intervene if Posey lost control.
>Where did this idea come from?
Books, lore, similar items I've seen in d&d.
>why would you not attempt to confirm it in any way at all?
Poor decision making on my part, combined with the above explaination, and foolish impatience to see what the item did to Posey.
>It's not even actually a crown. It's just a tiara
Well, a tiara is like a crown, only for a princess, which made me think even more that this would be Posey's princess moment.

But overall, it was just me being an impatient, foolish, inconsiderate idiot. I am in the wrong. I apologize.

For the tiara situation, there are two basic routes:

Continue more or less with how things happened, with Posey putting on the tiara, Silver knocking it off, the griffins becoming either hostile or at least panicked, and then the tiara being shot by mala thrice, then carried out and dumped in the ocean by Cavaliere or one of the griffins or... something

Or, a retcon. Either to never attempt to put it on, or to Posey having the tiara slapped out of her hoof by the yellow griffin.

>>181002
Well... That's much better than what I though

>>181007
>destroyed
Granted
>discarded
Let's not get hasty,....

>>181007
I would really strongly prefer a path where the Tiara is still intact (also, RAW, a major artifact can only be destroyed in a single, specific way, so bullets really shouldn't hurt it), because I'm really interested in it and I believe it could be a source of amazing story or character development, but I also know that because I recklessly tried it on my opinion probably doesn't matter...
>Either to never attempt to put it on
Well, we could roll those Arcana/Religion checks.

>>181007
>retcon
A lot of the involved posts were deleted already, so maybe retcon is the best path.

>>181009
Ngl, Brie also wants to keep the tiara intact, even if it means voiding the badass rifle disarm Brie pulled. He doesnt want to use it, he wants to appraise it (hes good at that too). He sees potential value to,... well somepony like Rosie, and he would like a share in that value.

>>181009
>Noooo you can't destroy it with 12 gauge buck shot!
Who said it was a major artifact? And in any case, you don't need to destroy it. Just throw it into the sea and it's gone forever.

>>181011
I wasn't sure how to handle it in the moment. My first instinct was to just say out of character "Are you sure about that?" Then I figured I could have the characters do it in game in character. When that was ignored, I figured any out of character "Are you sure?" would be equally ignored, so I went into just describing the "find out" portion of "fuck around." I guess the players were into it, but I wasn't, because at that point the whole session and probably more had been thoroughly derailed and I was just sick of it.

>>181013
I should have been more considerate, sorry to derail your session.

Well, on the one hoof, I know Brie's player wants to use this event as an opportunity for Brie's character development. On the other, retconning would let us find ways to safely make use of the crown such that we can profit off of it, such as dismantling it to sell.

>>181009
pet pet pet
No, it matters, it's just...conflicted with GM pone's current feelings.

>>181013
What if it falls on the head of a whale? Or worse.... A whale pony?

>>181013
I assumed that Rosey wouldn't be permitted to cause any irreparable damage, except to themselves, by putting on the crown. It is expressly what I would have done in your case (lit "Drop to 0 health"), but I'm not happy about your experience of it all

In any case, I can work with it whichever way we decide to go, but retcon seems the easiest for everyone so I vote that.
The actual specifics of the retcon will only determine whether Brie has a rifle in his hooves, so I abstain on that

>>181041 →
Posey also appreciates amoebas. Some of them are her friends.

>>181042
^^
Well, sorry to tell you this. I ate them.

>>181021
One of Posey's few downsides is that, being undead, if she drops to 0 health she instantly disintegrates. There is no way to render her unconscious or incapacitated, which makes balancing danger more difficult. With a regular character, losing a fight isn't the end of the world but Posey tends to go ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK and there's no way to stop her without permanently ending her.

Okay, two options:

After Posey has tried on the tiara, with it knocked off on the ground, the griffins riled up, Brie holding the rifle, Mala attempting (failing?) to shoot it.

Before Posey decides to put it on.

Take your pick

Anyone have the 3.5e Dungeon Master's handbook?

>>181056
I don't have physical copy but I have this:
https://archive.org/details/dungeon-masters-guide-v-3.5/page/n15/mode/2up

>>181057
Thank you!

>>181052
I suppose in the former you can try to keep the tiara, but the griffins become hostile again.

Here is my proposed resolution of this whole tiara debacle.

Lots of rolls to insist on, but the one I WANNA focus on was Silver's ready-action to slap the taste/crown out/off Rosey's face/head, nat 20.

I say we go with that, the crown is off and on the ground.

Idk where initiative is, but I would HOPE that being connected to and unconnected to phenomenally ebil magics would produce a 1 round stun effect, kind of like an ill timed sun grenade (sorry Dust, thats gonna be a thing).

Going from memory, that would allow 2 of the griffons to react to the crown being on the ground

If not moved before his turn, Brie would kick the tiara away, and if this could be said to be a free-action interim, then Brie would kick the tiara away from everyone and then return the disarmed rifle to the gay griffon