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>>179531 →
>My concern was that liberties were being taken - not specifically by players, but by game designers who don't know the irl mechanics of what theyre designing
Who really cares though? It's fantasy. AC is an abstraction. HP is an abstraction. Just use what's fun and serves your goals.
>>179535 →
>Rosey's player has reason to feel put on, and Im a big reason behind it, but not cuz I wanna piss in their cereal.
I have to say, it really did piss me off
Maybe I'm not one to object because you've been playing for longer than me, but I was doing fine until last week. I had anticipated meeting up with the rest of the party for more than a year, but this has really sucked the enjoyment out of it for me. Idk how to put it into words; maybe I'm just breaking under the weight of my irl struggles, but this has to stop. Let's agree to stop the toxicity.
>Meta/maxxfagging is fucking tedious. And no, new players should never have to.
First of all "try this useful piece of armor from this book" is not tedious. If it were tedious, that would be Tenebrous's problem, not yours. Tenebrous expressed an issue with armor class, so I helped him.
Second of all, "metafagging" is part of the game. It is part of the appeal of the game, and this particular edition of the game.
I can avoid throwing math in your face, it ooc junk is your problem though. I can see how it would be annoying to have math break the immersion of roleplay, but I think I should be able to talk to other characters.
>>179536 →
>He doesn't have a lot of levels in monk so the effects of wearing it aren't severe, but are there any workarounds to wear armor as a monk while retaining all abilities?
Yes, although resource cost is a question. How much do you really care about armor class? There are a lot of alternatives to armor too.
Only low level characters care about AC anyway.
Notice how the cost for +1 armor is less than that for a +1 weapon? It's because this system values defense less than it does offense: You avoid more damage by attacking. Whenever I buy armor enhancements, I go for the special abilities, not AC bonuses.
>Maybe we could just rename those armor pieces to fit the setting?
It doesn't really matter what you call them. They amount to "bracers" and "chestplate".
>I think the whole concern around Posey arises from the fact that none of us, probably including the GM, took notes on her character sheet so we have no idea just what she's capable of.
My character sheet has been public for a long time.
https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets//?id=2789871
>makes it look like powergaming
It really depends what you mean by "power gaming", but I never once denied power gaming. Power fantasy is part of the appeal of d&d.
>>179538 →
There are several ways for Monks to wear armor.
https://dnd.arkalseif.info/classes/argent-fist/index.html
Argent fist is the first one to come to mind, because I've played it.
There are other options, but I don't have them off of the top of my head because they're suboptimal, and Armor Class is a tertiary priority for most characters (Tank Fallacy).
Also worth noting that the Monk has many ACFs, which means most of its armor-restricted features can be traded away for something else. You can trade flurry for Rage or Decisive Strike, neither of which need be unarmored. You can trade evasion for Feign Death, Spell Reflection or Invisible Fist, none of which need be unarmored. This is recommended for Multiclass Monks. Flurry Of Misses is a meme anyway.
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/classes/baseCore/monk.html#decisive-strike
Monk has a lot of features (most of which meh), which meant it had a lot of features to trade away for ACFs written in various books and magazine issues.
Hunter Monk should be considered, for Multiclass Rangers. By combining Hunter Monk with Ascetic Stalker, you can increase your favored enemy progression faster than normal.
>>179569 →
>Lamilar is grossly underrepresented
No it isn't. It's been in the game since 3.0 A&E.
https://www.realmshelps.net/stores/armor/Lamellar
This was the armor I gave to my Agire statblock, because I wanted a more eastern theme. Among medium armors, it's one of the better ones. Tied with breastplate, and cheaper too. Too bad it can't be dragoncraft.
There's no shortage of avant garde armors in 3.5e. Some of them are good, most of them are meh.

>>179658
>Who really cares though? It's fantasy. AC is an abstraction. HP is an abstraction.
This is true, but please understand that everyone needs to be on the same page with the numbers. We are not. That can be a problem.

>Only low level characters care about AC anyway.
Why?

>I never once denied power gaming. Power fantasy is part of the appeal of d&d.
Please understand that when one enemy encounters two characters, one who is very powerful and wants to be brought near death, and another who is only medium or low powered and does not want to lose their character, there can be an issue in game balancing. This is not a non-existent issue.

Also, for the love of God, please stop trying to show up every other player on how much more powerful your character is than theirs in out of character comments or minor PvP. It pisses me off to no end and makes it extremely difficult to take your statements about taking elements from various books being benign at face value

>>179661
I wouldn't have done the show-off thing if another player hadn't threatened to kill me earlier. I regret doing that.

>>179658
>who cares, it's fantasy
Yes, but. Brie's backstory is more or less structured to be among the the top 3 sneaky ninjas in the world. Now, there are mechanical constraints to that manifestation, mostly supplied by GM.
When building him thence, I went with what made sense to the *already established mindset/build*. This includes a homebrew feat that allowed me to do something I could have done with another build but which didnt fit the backstory/character.
Tl;dr, I could have 2 extra feats if I wanted to go with an optimal build. Everything my character does that is "cool" comes at specific and deliberate expense.
Without having looked at this specific cbaracter, I admit to a prejudice to observing your (as a player) propensity to capitalize on racial/bonus feats, especially where flaws are offered in exchange.
What I'm grtting at is that while GM has permitted me things that he needn't have, it is after I have detailed in thorough why it should be this way, how the rule designers were ignorant/nescient of these aspects, etc. and why he would be advised to tell me no.
Other than such negotiations, I have only told him what I have chosen, and how those choices affect previous ones.

Idk if that helped. But anyway, I had this badass criminal bg and idfk what happened to my character sheet, did I ever have one? I think so, but fuck it, lets roll and a ... 6.
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....
Fuck it, Ill make it work AND make sense, AND be the badass. Yes, I know, that 6 will hur skills,....

So when that happens and yoh try to suck it up and go with it, having someone else SEEM to be flaunting/gloating can have adverse consequences that I might be more adult about in the future?

>>179663
I apologize for that. It wasn't a threat to kill, but thats just semantics. I acknowledge A. That was a bad response even OOC, B. That what Brie would assume would kill Posey would probably be grossly insufficient, in an Alan vs. Tyrant sorta way, and C. if no "good" responses come to mind, I could have not posted.

>>179658
>Lamellar
Funny, you havent posted the 3.5e SRD for Lammelar. Wonder why.

>>179738 →
What SHOULD have happened, having NOT descended from his 100' low altitude observation and NOT taken ANY further action (other than to declare an OOC intent to secure the rope WHEN GAMEPLAY COULD CONTINUE CUZ PLAYERS ARE PRESENT), saw the pony coming a mile away. I now realize I have to be exhaustive in my descriptions so to avoid unnecessary assumptions about what my character is doing, and only GM can carry the action forward from that point. I would have been fine with Brie going further onto the cliff if it makes the encounter easier/better but thats nowhere near what I had declared as action, nor was there any indocation that he was doing the other thing I had indicated he would. In future I will be entirely unambiguous about what my character is doing as well as being less accommodating to players trying to push things past where we reasonably stopped.
Part of the problem is that GM will make sweeping decriptions of things happening - clearly putting time, effort, and care - but will neglect to directly address what I had posted, sometimes several times. I'm left not knowing whether the posts were even seen. This is exascerbated when other players engage in needless cross-posting, ostensibly what the OOC thread is for.
The idea that "I was present right until" and "I should have known play was ongoing" is laughable for several reasons.
1. I expressly asked GM directly and the thread in general for advance notice for VERY specific reasons. There was no notice, egro I Assumed* that this was just horseplay and banter.
2. There were 2.5 (including me) players absent.
>but you were there
Not as a player. I was there, while watching YT, with music and distractions and lots of stuff you DONT do as a player. As a player I would have 1 window open, 2 books, a notepad, and the thread, and no distractions. I assumed* that the assurances I was given were not as flexible as they appear to be.

Lets take stock for a second:
Brie - Me
Silver - Silver
Kira
Rosey - Posey
Tenebrous - Him
Cavaliere - Amber's player
Dust - Noodle appreciator

GM - Alot. Like, ALOT alot.
How many players constitutes a quorum? 2/3 certainly, and 5/6 is debatable. 6/6 is ideal, but lets not kid ourselves about dnd schedules. To that end, I recommend favoring the newer players before seasoned ones, both in scheduling and in general.

>>179743
What should have happened part 2:
The intent was NOT for Brie to have joined the fight; he could be said to be anywhere from 50-100'. What he would have done is signal/call-out something like:
"Eyes on contact, 2 o'clock" or whatever specific direction appropriate, left the mass of ponies to ascertain/deal with the contact, while surveiling for any other approaching contacts.
Brie isnt trying to be everywhere and do all the things I just want him doing the things I said so that he can at least contribute a situational awareness even if not actively engaging.

>>179742
It's not in the SRD. I told you it's in Arms & Equipment.
A&E was printed before the SRD, but unlike the ELH, DD, and XPH, it didn't get the SRD treatment.
SRD only includes DMG1, PHB1, MM1, XPH, ELH, and DD.

Anyway, Lamellar is a top tier medium armor. Would recommend it for Warblades, Barbarians, or Fighters with good dex that isn't maxed, if you wanted a more eastern look instead of breastplate. It's statistically identical to breastplate, except it weighs slightly less and costs 50 gp less. Costing only 150 gp also means that lvl 1 followers may be able to afford it alongside a horse and weapons.
It is, however, partly composed of leather, which means that it would rot away overtime, making it not idea to place as treasure in the bottom of some ancient tomb, when a breastplate would last forever. There are workarounds to that though ("the leather lasts forever because magic and/or immortal monster skin").
Too bad it can't be Dragoncraft. Hide and Scale Mail are the only two medium armors that could be dragoncraft, which is probably due to their avoidance to referencing non-phb items in subsequent books. Lamellar is something like a cross between hide and scale mail, and were it made dragoncraft it would be a superior armor, being light with considerable AC bonus, and fitting for dragon-honoring oriental characters. Mithril is better than dragoncraft for Dex character, but dragoncraft lamellar would look so cool.

>>179658
>Yes, although resource cost is a question. How much do you really care about armor class? There are a lot of alternatives to armor too.
It's not the most important thing, and this character won't wear armor anyway, but I was wondering on a conceptual level since monk is a class that eschews all armor by design. Thank you for sharing!
>Only low level characters care about AC anyway.
OOC, maybe, but in IC it depends on the character and what hit points are meant to be. If they're abstracted as "luck to not receive a deadly wound" then it's not a problem though it steps on the toes of AC. If they're actual health resilience, as they've been presented in the game so far, then aside from a sadist dread necromancer most characters would indeed prefer AC.
It's a roleplay problem. If one's character gets shanked by a hobo, the player is not going to freak out because 1d4 damage is nothing for a level 5 PC. But the character still has to be roleplayed as freaking out because he was just shanked by a hobo, for crying out loud. This creates a dilemma where the optimal play is to just not care about getting hit, but where effective roleplay would have a character prefer not to receive another orifice.
DnD 3.5e is highly generous in terms of hit points since party members are regularly fighting mythical creatures (and often dying to them), but in a grounded setting like OE then even level 5 has characters be absurdly tanky. We saw it in Silver's last dream sequence where he was fighting a war. You could design the campaign where there's a level cap (you mentioned 6e and I talked about it on the game thread) but even if you include more feats, you still lose out on powers, multiclassing, prestige classes, etc. I wish there was an easy solution to this but I don't see one.
>It doesn't really matter what you call them. They amount to "bracers" and "chestplate".
True. I wonder what the horse versions would be?
>hunter monk
>lose 1st level bonus feat
It's tempting, but I like my feats.
>>179745
I'm just curious as to how he would have called out the pony from a hundred feet away, without having a radio. Physically, he could do that by yelling loud enough, but that would be heard by everypony else 100' away.
>>179746
>Too bad it can't be Dragoncraft. Hide and Scale Mail are the only two medium armors that could be dragoncraft, which is probably due to their avoidance to referencing non-phb items in subsequent books. Lamellar is something like a cross between hide and scale mail, and were it made dragoncraft it would be a superior armor, being light with considerable AC bonus, and fitting for dragon-honoring oriental characters. Mithril is better than dragoncraft for Dex character, but dragoncraft lamellar would look so cool.
Officially, you can't, but it would be easy to homebrew it in for a character with a very high armor crafting skill. In OE it would just be awkward to wear in considering dragons have their own country and are capable of co-existing with ponies to some extent.

>>179747
>I'm just curious as to how
In the scenario where he is 100' and looking for anything and thereby notices the approaching pony, he will likewise have a range of vision approaching 270' ground level before white-out conditions at the diagonal, including any other potential incoming. Therefore, he would be perfectly fine calling out to the ponies in 100' range, regardless of anyone else in that 100' range heard him, while looking for other inbound, in case of trap/ambush/etc.

>>179747
>Thank you for sharing!
Anytime. I could talk about this all day.
>IC it depends on the character and what hit points are meant to be
Well, we are low level characters, so we care about AC.
>If they're abstracted as "luck to not receive a deadly wound"
That's how you're supposed to fluff HP. It says so in the DMG.
>If one's character gets shanked by a hobo, the player is not going to freak out because 1d4 damage is nothing for a level 5 PC.
Sounds like a good time to introduce players to Erebus, the god of beggars.
Anyways, a lvl 5 hero narratively shouldn't lose to a lvl 1 commoner hobo with a shank: they should be good enough at fighting to avoid the attack or only be grazed by it, but also narratively their story wouldn't end like that. HP is as much of plot armor as it is physicality or skill at fighting, because players are supposed to win and Frontline fighters are supposed to tank deadly attacks. That's why HP exists.
>This creates a dilemma where the optimal play is to just not care about getting hit, but where effective roleplay would have a character prefer not to receive another orifice.
Optimal play is to kill your enemies before they kill you.
This does remind me of an expert from the Rules Compendium though (pic related).
>DnD 3.5e is highly generous in terms of hit points
I actually disagree with this, especially when compared to other systems, but that's just me.
>In OE it would just be awkward to wear in considering dragons have their own country and are capable of co-existing with ponies to some extent.
Same thing is true in Forgotten Realms and Eberron, but that doesn't stop them.

>My character Amber is on the complete opposite end. I saw the world the DM came up with and wanted to create a character that typified an everymare, even one with many disadvantages.
>My philosophy when playing Amber is to "go with the flow" and have her react realistically toward changing surroundings rather than trying to change the surroundings herself.
Considering that Amber is a Bard, she should have all of the heroic potential as Pinkie Pie. Bards have the power to change the world with their words and songs, and their mere presence can turn the tides of battle.
Even Pinkie Pie in S1E2, who could have been considered a lvl 1 Bard at the time, was able to guide her friends through the Eldritch horrors of Everfree.
Bards aren't just warriors (although they certainly are), they're sages, scholars, and most importantly leaders, not grounded in any one place and spreading their inspiration wherever they go. Bards not only communicate with spirits, but with the emotions of others, and guide the struggling through turmoils both supernatural and mundane. In times of war, a Bard is what everyone needs. Perhaps Amber might not consider herself a warrior, but that doesn't mean she can't be a hero. She might realize that her role may come from supporting and uplifting others, with the power of friendship.
>she'll soon be properly ready for real adventure but I am quite happy with her story and I think others are too.
Well, if you ever want help with your sheet, I'm always available.
Imo, Amber would make for a good Heartfire Fanner, Sublime Chord, or War Chanter. Perhaps she might even go through a sudden Spiritual Awakening, and become a Fire Soul, and inspire all those around her.
https://www.realmshelps.net/monsters/templates/firesouled.shtml
It's +3 LA, but that doesn't really matter in milestone games, plus we have characters that can fly at-will (minimum +2 LA), so nobody cares.
>despite being a generalist at technically level 3.
You haven't seen me play Clerics or Sorcerers, either of which would have made for a more powerful version of Posey. I picked Dread Necromancer because it's a tier 3 class that's good at exactly one thing and one thing only (at lvl 8...), also because she's from the Dread League and therefore must select every character option that has the word "Dread" in it.
Posey has high HP and enhancement bonuses to Str and Dex, but she's also maxed in those regards: she can't improve those with items. I spent two character levels and almost all of my starting gold gaining those traits, because they had to be applied in character creation.

>>179752
Elaborate

>>179753
Amber is more dialogue and social to resolution of circumstances and concerns. Though, for a moment I did get Kira and Amber mixed up in my head

>>179746
Lamellar armor is pretty cool, you basically take a whole bunch of rectangular metal scale and tie them all together into large sheets. Unlike normal scale armor it only has a metal component to it, and requires no backing material like cloth. Kira's lamellar scales are made out of leather rather than metal to preserve lightness, but you can actually make it out of other non-metal materials including bone.

>>179746
>its in this book
So not SRD, got it. I'm not the idiot for not knowing which of the half dozen non-srd lamellar's you may have been referencing.

>>179751
>Perhaps Amber might not consider herself a warrior, but that doesn't mean she can't be a hero. She might realize that her role may come from supporting and uplifting others, with the power of friendship.
That's what I'm going with. She's starting with her coltfriend and he's uh, a work in progress.
>https://www.realmshelps.net/monsters/templates/firesouled.shtml
I'll check these options out. Fire souled seems perfect for a Kirin character since kirins are already attuned with fire. One could bring up other inspiration from the show of actual ponies possessing this, like Twilight burning up in rage or a devout Harmonist becoming radical to the point of welcoming Daybreaker. Food for thought.
>>179757
People also sleep on brigandine as an armor option.

How old was silver before he ate the fruit?

>>179770
He was in his 50s

>>179767
>Fire souled seems perfect for a Kirin character since kirins are already attuned with fire. One could bring up other inspiration from the show of actual ponies possessing this
Becoming Firesouled requires initiation by one who has the template. A Kirin Bard (Autumn Blaze?) would be an ideal mentor for the bonfire ritual.
Also, she's named Amber Sunset. You can't have that kind of name without doing something with fire/light.
>>179771
Middle Age. Got it.

>>179767
Brigandine is plate armor with extra steps

>>179771
That's younger than I assumed. I don't know why he was so obsessed with youth, but I'm not even close to that age myself.
>>179773
I was going for a grain theme (because she is from a farming background) but maybe.
>>179774
It's medium armor but also really cool.

>>179777
>I was going for a grain theme (because she is from a farming background) but maybe.
Could be a Green Whisperer.

>>179780 →
Posey is a character who, if I am expected to keep Brie in a reasonably/respectable line (including not expecting other players/characters to care/accommodate) then it stands to reason,....

>I'm pent up from not killing
Fuck off to ooc with it then

>>179783
>I'm pent up from not killing
Posey is.
>reasonably/respectable line
Is attacking an unresponsive NPC who is attacking us unreasonable?

>>179790
>Posey is
Super. That means fuckall to all not-posey.
>is attacking an whatever NPC
So you're gonna cool it when Brie threatens ponies? Carry on, if it means not getting second guessed and ankle-bitten all the time

>>179790
Nah, it's a fairly reasonable course of action. Personally I wanted to figure out what was going on after not only how weirdly he was acting but also what he is after what I guess was a strength roll with a +4 modifier, but I'm also cool with just straight up murder.

>>179793
I want to take him alive too, and it's why I chose grapple. Posey is acting in-character and isn't unreasonable.

>>179792
>So you're gonna cool it when Brie threatens ponies?
If they're attacking us, yeah.

>>179797
I'll take it!

>>179819 →
Posey was crucimigrated by her Mentor, who through the apprentice feat is an 8th level Dread Necromancer, therefore applying the Undead Mastery feature to her. I marked it as one of her limited favors from her Mentor.

>>179822
Who the fuck thinks another player knows or cares what that means?

>>179823
I was just answering the question that was asked.
It's a temp score because it's enhancement. It does not stack with items.

>>179823
Nah, I'll bear this one out

MOST PLAYERS DONT INTO EXTRA BOOKS

>>179826
You weren't the one who asked.

>>179827
Do you think I ask permission?

>>179822
Oh, that's interesting. But how does that apply +5 dex and str?

>>179833
Pls be nice

>>179835
This is the OOC thread Xp

>>179836
OOC means out of character for your DnD character, not for yourself. Apply your real-life decency here.

Silver's player, could you please post your ability scores? I really want to know.

>>179839
>irl decency
Done! ^_^
Shutup faggit

>>179835
If a Master (8th level) Dread Necromancer creates an undead (in this case, Posey), they increase the undead's HP and also adds an enhancement bonus to Str and Dex.
I'll do the same to you if I get to lvl 8 and I can convince you to die.
>>179833
Then why do you care?

>>179843
Idk. I guess you made a comment about low sperm count. Something that didn't in any way relate to the game at all, but you decided.

And so, I decided. Decide now.

>>179839
>Silver's player, could you please post your ability scores? I really want to know.
His original scores were:
Strength - 16
Dexterity - 17
Constitution - 16
Intelligence - 7
Wisdom - 16
Charisma - 9

Imo, doesn't really reflect how he played, because Silver seemed a lot smarter and more charismatic than that.

>>179844
>>179846
When did they get upgraded? Those are very good stats. And to think you didn't apply age penalties, tsk-tsk

>>179848
Technically the age penalties would only be age bonus, now that he's back to prime age.

>>179848
Intelligence is the only one that actually really got upgraded, and that's because I asked GM pone for it so Silver can actually have some skill points to put into Weaponsmithing and Armorsmithing. Mostly for flavor, but I do have plans for Silver to buy a workshop to turn into a smithy. Not only could it serve as a source of passive income to fund his...expensive newfound hobbies such as NPC collection, but he can use it to make better gear for himself and the various characters. I've already got plans for Silver to make a Titanium Breastplate for himself and a Titanium Chain Shirt for Kira. The rest of them were just some pretty damn good rolls during character creation.

>>179843
>then why do you care

WHY INDEED. ARE MY REASONS SUBJECT TO CRITICISM? I DONT RECALL SUBMITTING FOR APPROVALsureiya

>>179850
Hey, I actually had this pure int unicorn fencer build, if you were interested at looking at it.
>>179851
It's annoying and unhelpful.

>>179852
That actually does sound pretty neat. Definitely far from what Silver is, but still, neat!

>>179849
When you roll abilities and choose them, age penalties are applied afterwards. In the case of middle-age, which isn't so bad, it just nerfs your physical abilities in favor of your intellectual ones.
>>179850
They are good rolls, but personally I think that increased intelligence should have needed a special quest for it (like that Tree of Life thing) or maybe a transfer of three ability points. I won't contest GM Pone's decision.

>>179851
he mad

>>179852
I was debating with making a fencer character because it's a neat concept in general.

>>179868 →
What are you even talking about?
Quit shitting up the roleplay thread with ooc posts.

>>179881 →
>>179885 →
Okay, seriously, what is your problem?

Oh hey, I didn't even notice this thread.

She zeeb on my zoob til I ziib

>>179891
She snij on my snej til I snoj

>>179886
He feels the need to punish you for caring to look at additional books. I dare say this isn't his first time derailing a campaign with his need to enact justice on another player rather than just letting the GM handle how they please.
>>179893
I only have a 10 in int, but interdasting. I might just keep that in my back pocket

>>179891
You have a good Heal Mod. You should use Healing Lorecall.
https://dndtools.net/spells/spell-compendium--86/healing-lorecall--4689/
It buffs all of your healing spells if you have ranks in Heal.
Also consider using rules for the d20 modern Treat Injury skill:
https://d20modern.fandom.com/wiki/Treat_Injury

>>179854
So basically it's the idea of a Unicorn Warrior who is a fighting genius, and has developed a manner of fighting styles through knowledge of warfare, history, and experience.
A Warblade that focuses on the Diamond Mind and White Raven Disciplines
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/classes/baseTob/warblade.html
Three Fey Bloodline levels, just because a character who has been playing for so long deserves something. Unicorn is fey-adjacent anyway.

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/?id=2957511
It's really unfinished. I originally left the Str at 16 because I wanted to qualify for feats, but then I didn't think of any feats that were really worth taking (Power Attack?)...
Might swap if for Con, but he already gets Int to HP ala Faerie Mysteries Initiate. Still, it's bad to dump Con, because Concentration is pivotal for the Diamond Mind discipline.
Could also roll it into Wis, although Keen Intellect replaces Wis with Int on both checks.
Might swap the Str for the wis, then un-dump the con by applying the Arctic (+0 LA) template, and roll the Cha penalty from Arctic into a Wis penalty ala Magic Blooded (+0 LA). The combo gives some nifty SLAs too (Rat of frost, detect magic, read magic, magic aura), on top of resistance to cold weather.

Silver Tongue is just a fun feat that goes well with a White Raven Commander.
Knowledge Devotion is good, and turns ranks in knowledge (local) into Damage vs humanoids.
Weapon Focus enables entry into Eternal Blade.
Not sure about other feats.
Still working on maneuvers.

This build includes two house rules:
1: The ponyfinder Advanced Horn Magic feat is acceptable
2. Unicorn Counts as an Elf/Halfling (for Faerie Mysteries Initiate; Eternal Blade if lvl 11 ever comes). 3.5e Elves get all of the unicorn stuff anyway.

>>179886
You, not specifically. And unlike u, Im not gonna pretrnd otherwise

>>180004 →
>axe to grind
Nigger, it is (You) who has been shitting up the thread with your ooc spamposts, despite there being an entire thread for that.

I have not done anything remotely antagonistic to you today, but you have been nothing but hostile. What is your problem? Why do you have to be so toxic? You're sucking all the energy out of the thread. It's fucking gay.
Notice how nobody else has an issue with me right now? The problem is (You).

And consolidate your posts, for the love of God. You don't need to make 50+ posts with half a sentence each.

>>180014
Pretending otherwise, on cue
>>180014
>i havent done anything today
Thank you for admitting youve been pver the top insufferable EXCEPT today

>>180016
Whatever, fag. Just stop shitting up the roleplay thread.

>>180019
This pot seems to think its in a position to criticize the kettle

>>180020
I'm making on-topic posts in the roleplay thread. You haven't posted in-character since early this afternoon.
Just quit the spam posts.

>>180021
This is the ooc thread,...

>>180022
I'm talking about the other thread.

>>179909
I forgot to reply to this earlier, but I think this sounds like a pretty neat idea! Bonus points if you manage to flavor the character like a Water Dancer.

>>180025
>Bonus points if you manage to flavor the character like a Water Dancer.
I can try. Might be difficult with a greatsword build.

>>180023
Wait, youre complaining about spam posts? Again? Ffs, you never learn

>>180026
Oh, you mean for Silver? I'm not sure how much it makes sense for Silver, but I was imagining it for a different character using a rapier or other similar weapon.

>>180091
Me on the top left

>>180091
>>180092
I'm on the bottom right

Would you be in favor of forensics from DnD modern being a skill?

>>180099
Maybe, but unlike d20 modern classes, we don't have a lot of skill points.
Survival (tracking), Search (noticing stuff), Heal (how a creature died), and Gather Information (urban tracking) are the forensic skills in d&d.

Don't mind me,....
[1d6 = 3] [1d6 = 4] [1d6 = 1] [1d6 = 3]
[1d6 = 3] [1d6 = 5] [1d6 = 1] [1d6 = 3]
[1d6 = 1] [1d6 = 6] [1d6 = 4] [1d6 = 2]
[1d6 = 2] [1d6 = 6] [1d6 = 6] [1d6 = 4]
[1d6 = 6] [1d6 = 2] [1d6 = 5] [1d6 = 5]
[1d6 = 3] [1d6 = 5] [1d6 = 4] [1d6 = 3]

>>180397
10 S
12 D
11 C
12 W
16 I
16 Ch

>>180399
Post-racial stats
Str 10
Dex 14
Con 10
Wis 12
Int 16
Cha 16

To whatever degree they may be so inclined, Ponies in and around Baltimare may be aware of a Bar, Grill, and Strip club that also offers prostitution and gambling called the Latex Saddle, owned and operated by one Lucky Roll and her cadre/stable of mares.

Yes, yes I am.

>>180400
>>180399
Checked

>>180400
>bat-run bar, grill and strip club
Cool. My bat-ghoul Nightstalker will pay the place a visit.

>>180402
I will assemble a selection of lewd ponies for atmosphere.
For those with criminal sensibilities, her real source of wealth/power/income comes from.her network of spies and informants, and the high price of that information, as well as unserialized weapon trade (small arms)

>>180412
Quite ^,_,^
And damn sexy :3

>>180416
Ooc, highly encouraged
In character, will never happen; her favor is currently reserved exclusively for Brie. ^,_,~

I should probably get to work on my nightstalker... I was going to wait for Leadership, but it seems as though we can play multiples without it, so I'll get to work.
I decided that my other two characters will be mares as well. Gloomy will be the only male among the four horsemen.
>>180398 →
>Just remembered that "Average Array" exists
What kind of sadistic DM would have their players use stats where the highest one is 13?
I always use high stats in my games: it makes things more fair to the MAD classes. My last one used 54 point buy.

>>180419
>average array
NPCs and adversaries only, imo

When I came into the game, I intended to eventually run four characters through leadership variants: based on the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
I intended to have a Nightstalker to represent Hunger and a Martial character to represent War. Originally they were to be pegasus and earth pony respectively, but I think I'll do Bat (ghoul) and Pegasus (semi-wight imitation) instead.
Posey represents Conquest. She's a fearmonger charisma build with vampiric lineage. You all know Posey by now.
My Black Horse is a ghoul arms dealer, smuggler and merchant: a horribly greedy and depraved creature who was executed for stealing the souls of the unborn in a maternity ward. Like Posey, she's a slave to the Masters of Magehold, and is being sent to the equestrian. Unlike Posey, who is supernaturally beautiful even in death, my ghoul would have a humanoid skin graft that lets her pass as a living thing, maintained by cure spells. Ghouls are associated with hunger and greed, so it makes sense to have a ghoul represent famine. Feats would be utility oriented, using Mercantile Background and Wanderers Diplomacy to procure hard to get items.
Nightstalker is a somewhat inferior class, and I would probably be better off with a Multiclass Cleric/Rogue with Sacred Outlaw, but all Posey must remain superior.
My Red Horse is a Pegasus, I was interested in a Shadowbane Inquisitor Blackguard build, with intent to eventually become a Death Knight. The build doesn't really work before ECL 8 though, as it requires fallen paladin mechanics. Could make it advance in Shadowbane Inquisitor ala Heretic Of The Faith though.
I also considered Barbarian, Crusader, or Warblade, but IDK. In any case, I want it to be an energy-drain build.
Gloomy is the pale horse. He represents Death. I had intended to magically age him and make him my cohort when Posey became a master at lvl 8, but idk if that will ever happen.
>>180421
Even the DMG says to give any creature with PC classes the elite array.
Average array is for lvl 1 non-elite, NPC-class canon fodder enemies.

>>180419
What are you bitching at me for? I’ve never used average array for anything, except maybe genetic NPC enemies

>>180423
When I came into the game, I had wanted to run an anti-hero criminal inspired by Jarlaxle from Forgotton Realms, Raymond Reddington from the Blacklist, a dose of Guy Richie noir comedy, and a cup of batman. Creating Lucky is a sudden inspiration/determination in that it allows me as a player to have all sorts of reasons to participate in the social aspects of the game, through both her and Brie (I rly hope Vul doesnt object to my appropriation of her likeness, especially in a criminal context); the former because she's a proprietor and an excuse for more Addy cameos xp, and the latter for both business and pleasure :3
Her personality is structured after Jemnifer Garner in the Sherlock Holmes movies, with elements of Faye (Cowboy Benop), titties (Lupin III) and so on.

Also titties from One Piece,....
The classic wild feminine archetype

>>180428
>(I rly hope Vul doesnt object to my appropriation of her likeness, especially in a criminal context)
Did you consider just making your own Bat OC?
There's no shame in taking inspiration from pre-existing characters.
My Nightstalker is a seductive Diplomancer build. A "civilized" , smooth-talking ghoul (like Cooper Howard) with even smoother stolen skin. Her mane style would probably like Aura (Frieren).
I based Posey's appearance in part on Makima (Chainsawman).
>>180427
I'm not bitching at you at all. I was just talking about how silly it is that the game lists making players use the Average Array as an option. Idk what kind of hypothetical GM would do that.

>>180436 →
>So instead is the a class that transitions into another or have different modes and are there any that's specifically about changing their martial art style?
Swordsage, particularly with Stance changes:
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/classes/baseTob/swordsage.html
Swordsage know a wide array of maneuvers and fighting styles. It's also often referred to as a better version of Monk and Ninja (and most martial claases).
It's why I recommend Shadow Sun Ninja.

>>180437
Okay, thank you. I will explore it. ^^

>>180441
If you really want to be a "style changer", you could dip every martial adept class, and then go into Master Of The Nine.
https://dnd.arkalseif.info/classes/master-of-nine/index.html
It would be really complicated though.

>>180443
Yeah, that does seem more in line with what I was thinking of.

Though, I think, while I wouldn't refer to myself as new, I don't have enough, in game, experience with dnd mechanics as is so I think a normal monk might be just the right fit for me at the moment.

I think I just want to keep it mechanically simple and then add description to spice it up. To someone like me that's still kinda new and exciting.

Thank you again btw. I do really appreciate your help and enthusiasm. Feel free to give further suggestions, I do listen even if it might not seems so since I just shifted back to favor the monk class for my oc.

>>180443
But I can give you some description of the character I have in mind so far and, you can say what you think would be cool for the character if you like. Also, spoilers:

So Virgin Flame suffers immensely from regrets and numbs herself with alcohol. If she doesn't get alcohol, her self-hatred escalates and she goes a bit berserk. With alcohol, she's temporary at peace with the past. She's kind and confident. She whistles a melancholic psalm from her church in Equestria. If she's still in bad mood, she's more likely to cry rather than be violent while drunk than sober, were she's more like to hurt, herself.

Something like that is her character so far.

>>180442
In the interest of NOT blatantly plagiarizing another's OC, I am amending the character from Lucky Roll to Lacy Row (as in, to fight).
Further modifications/establishments to follow
(Born into the Row crime family,....)

Those familiar with the Netflix animae series Kengan Asura will have insight into where I'm going with the "Row" family, with the comparative Kure clan

>>180468
https://kenganverse.fandom.com/wiki/Kure_Karura
Heavy emphasis and inspiration

>>180423
I appreciate the enthusiasm for new characters, but let's take a moment to consider how any new characters fit within the wider context of the game. I mean this in how they would play out within party dynamics, how they fit with the goals of others, and how their power level fits with their roles as presumably lower level than the PC characters.

First off, Posey and her like are established as coming from the Griffonian Northeast. Arcturian Order, snowponies, and hill ponies. Bat ponies in EAW are indigenous to the Equestrian Southeast. They have since migrated en masse all throughout the Equestrian East, to a portion of the Zebrican north coast, and New Mareland, and can be periodically found throughout Equestria and Nova Griffonia. They are not found in the backwater parts of the Griffonian Far North.

But a bit more than that, I'm skeptical of evil characters more generally. When the game first started I was very welcoming of evil allignment, because to me, I thought that that playing "evil" meant a character that was maybe just a little bitchy, liked or aligned with the Nazi-coded factions, was maybe a bit sexually immoral, and had an idea of justice that placed much more emphasis on retribution than mercy. How very wrong I was...

There have been a couple villains who stood out as evil. One bought 10 year old foals as slaves, kept them in what is a basically a rape dungeon, and then invited friends over to sexually abuse these foals. They did the same with changeling nymphs, electrocuting them to coerce them into transforming into their favored sexual target. Another villain would tell immigrants he would smuggle them in past customs... Then rob them, chain them into a sweatshop and force them to work, have their life force drained from them by a captive changeling so they could extract the condensed love as changeling honey, and then finally have their drained bodies sacrificed to an evil god, remove their fur and try to sell it for value, make leather for books out of the skin, and then feed the bodies to gnoll minions. These villains are not supposed to be the average. They are supposed to stand out as uniquely evil even amongst antagonists within the setting. Fighting them is supposed to be non-controversial. It's supposed to be a goal that can be agreed on by the whole party, as kind of a break from fights and duties that mostly are about ideology or power politics and are not as agreeable. The goal here isn't to have a split-ideological party or campaign where one part is attempting to out flank these rare villains on the evil scale, or to normalize evil and make reveal scenes - like the foals imprisoned in the sex dungeon, or all of the skeletons thrown away in the garbage chute - less impactful.

You have the night stalker as "arms dealer, smuggler and merchant: a horribly greedy and depraved creature who was executed for stealing the souls of the unborn in a maternity ward." This is not the first time you've mentioned a night stalker character. When you mentioned it before, the night stalker was "a lawyer or barrister" named caligo, with that profession being kind of an explanation for, or tied to, a diplomacer style. I fell like this is a hell of change to go from "lawyer" to "Arms dealer but also merchant and smuggler and she steals the souls of babies from the maternity ward."

First off, is stealing the souls of babies just something level 3 or so characters can just casually do? Like stealing the catalytic converters off of cars, or shoplifting at Walmart? Do people need to guard their souls like they need to guard their pockets or purses so they don't get stolen. In the show, in the season 5 intro, there is a big reveal that Starlight Glimmer isn't using a magical artifact to remove pony's cutie marks - it's her own cutie mark magic. That power is unique and almost aberrant. No one else has that power in the whole series. But stealing babies souls is comparatively common?

I get that the character is likely intended to kind of be like Salem from the Sabrina the Teenaged Witch Series, forcibly depowered and eviler than the rest as a kind of deliberate contrast. But what is your intention with the character?

>>180468
I do not watch any anime at all

>>180473
>I dont watch anime at all
Fair, Ill comprise an acceptably comparative parallel. For simplicity's sake, Im vying for Lacy to be a Neighponese mafia Boss' daughter.

>>180476
If I was GM and having to pull backstory out my ass, I'd say she and Brie FIRST met years ago in Neighpone, when Brie took on several of Lacy's older brothers single handedly,...

I just want to say that this character is unfinished and I haven't even decided on a name, so it's open to change.
>>180473
>You have the night stalker as "arms dealer, smuggler and merchant: a horribly greedy and depraved creature who was executed for stealing the souls of the unborn in a maternity ward." This is not the first time you've mentioned a night stalker character. When you mentioned it before, the night stalker was "a lawyer or barrister" named caligo, with that profession being kind of an explanation for, or tied to, a diplomacer style. I fell like this is a hell of change to go from "lawyer" to "Arms dealer but also merchant and smuggler and she steals the souls of babies from the maternity ward."
I believe I did mention the souls thing in the first draft of this character. It's admittedly a feat that can only be achieved with elaborate items and the assistance of casters. It's not really relevant to the character though, so I could strike that.
>I'm skeptical of evil characters more generally. When the game first started I was very welcoming of evil allignment, because to me, I thought that that playing "evil" meant a character that was maybe just a little bitchy, liked or aligned with the Nazi-coded factions, was maybe a bit sexually immoral, and had an idea of justice that placed much more emphasis on retribution than mercy. How very wrong I was...
I see. I thought you were okay with Posey having minions though, and ponies who follow her cause would logically be evil.
>First off, Posey and her like are established as coming from the Griffonian Northeast. Arcturian Order, snowponies, and hill ponies. Bat ponies in EAW are indigenous to the Equestrian Southeast. They have since migrated en masse all throughout the Equestrian East, to a portion of the Zebrican north coast, and New Mareland, and can be periodically found throughout Equestria and Nova Griffonia. They are not found in the backwater parts of the Griffonian Far North.
I imagined Magehold as a melting pot for necromancers and the living dead, with even it's leader hailing from Equestria. Most undead don't procreate well without the help of magic, so it makes sense that most of the residents of the Dread League were once creatures from living nations. Magehold imports slaves, spell components and talent from all over the world: it makes sense that an Equestrian ghoul would end up there.
>When you mentioned it before, the night stalker was "a lawyer or barrister" named caligo, with that profession being kind of an explanation for, or tied to, a diplomacer style. I fell like this is a hell of change to go from "lawyer" to "Arms dealer but also merchant and smuggler
Nightstalker is a rogue-like class with skills. Since this game involves interacting with creatures and avoiding exposure, all Dread League characters are basically spies.
I thought of making a charisma character with the personality of a sleezy lawyer, like Saul from breaking bad. The symbol of the Black horse of Famine is a set of merchant scales, so that made me think of a lawyer-like character.
>But what is your intention with the character?
To round out my 4 horsemen gimmick. The third horse horse of the apocalypse is supposed to bring famine and economic devastation, so I thought a thief-like character, particularly a ghoul, would fit the archetype.
>There have been a couple villains who stood out as evil. One bought 10 year old foals as slaves, kept them in what is a basically a rape dungeon, and then invited friends over to sexually abuse these foals.
Oh look, Posey's childhood.
>Another villain would tell immigrants he would smuggle them in past customs... Then rob them, chain them into a sweatshop and force them to work, have their life force drained from them by a captive changeling so they could extract the condensed love as changeling honey, and then finally have their drained bodies sacrificed to an evil god, remove their fur and try to sell it for value, make leather for books out of the skin, and then feed the bodies to gnoll minions.
Business as usual in Magehold.

>>180473
>evil characters
It is important to distinguish between evil characters, and neutral characters who without conflict do evil things on occasion. Brie is an evil character (who Im hoping to transition to Chaotic Neutral) whereas Lacy is pure CN.
>electrocuting them to coerce them into transforming into their favored sexual target
I had forgotten that detail. And y'all wondered why Brie fought the party to free the bois.
>arms dealer, smuggler and merchant
Is that a problem? Appreciating youre addressing another player, but thats most of the collective background of Brie AND Lacy
>, is stealing the souls of babies just something level 3 or so characters can just casually do?
As a ritual cast? Kinda

>>180483
>Business as usual in Magehold.
That's my point

>>180486
I'm not sure what you're getting at then. Posey's alignment is subject to change, but as she is she is unequivocally evil.
I made a character that is uber-evil, but that doesn't mean I don't want to be the hero of this story. Posey is based on the antichrist, and I wanted her to be a false Messiah, liberating Equestria by exterminating the changelings, so it could eventually be hers to rule:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgoTQOELMig
Are you saying that you don't want me to be evil? I intended to still take on a heroic role in spite of being evil.

>>180489
>>180483
GM. Without knowing Posey's specific intentions, I can argue the viability of her character, even with the spoopy bits

>>180489
>Are you saying that you don't want me to be evil? I intended to still take on a heroic role in spite of being evil.
I want to be more careful with new characters, especially as I do not know the intent.

I'm not RPing serial killing. Posey has not done that, but I really have no idea what to expect

>>180491
The characters I mentioned above were supposed to be Posey's cohorts, and therefore bound to her sense of vanity and the necessity for subterfuge.
The Red horse is mostly there to kill things that get in Posey's way.
The black horse is mostly built to help Posey secure funds for her army, and roll Diplomacy when charm spells fail.
It's Gloomy's job to bring the end of all days.
>I'm not RPing serial killing. Posey has not done that, but I really have no idea what to expect
No real point in doing that. I want to conquer Equestria and genocide some bugs, not butcher lvl 1 commoners for no reason. Murder hoboing is beneath Posey mostly.

I could make characters that are unrelated to Posey, but that would also be kind of tedious and bloat the story progression.

>>180496
>No real point in doing that
Hey now, I wanted Wesley and Kerr to go apeshit on a pedo country club; theres plenty of reasons to RP serial killing, with proper background

>>180496
To be clear, I have zero problems with the way Posey is and has been played since at the least the time the party got together except maybe the vomiting being a bit over the top, which I can't say about everyone.

>>180501
Equal(?) clarity, Brie knows theres "something there", but more concerned with (imagined, apparently) commue militant factions

>>180501
>except maybe the vomiting being a bit over the top
Noted. I only did it to be funnyfor the sake of everyone's enjoyment, and to demonstrate that Posey is not invincible but in fact a flawed character with weaknesses and the need to rely on others, but in the future I will tone down the frivolous displays of supernatural gore somewhat.
>>180500 →
You are not GM. The question was not for you.
You have not made an in-character post here all week, so don't tell the rest of us how to RP.
I am trying to lay the groundwork so that we'll be able to get to the good stuff once all the players are here. I'm not going to blow anything up until the rest i

>>180503
You are correct.
I am not GM. Anything I posit is subject to GM whim, including line-item.
This is not.my game:
Any agreements and permissions are revokable at will
Any characters adjacent (Brie, Lacy. And yes even Addy) are consodered to be of partial - if noy discretionarily in FULL - property and/or objects to be manipulated by 3xpress will of GM, in absence of (Me)
>absence of me
LOL

>>180506
>last saltycomment
I dont have to sneak up on GM with alot of stupid reasons to have gibs. My mains are the Ryu's, who figure it out the super-hard way. My BGs are are more resourced, if limited in an immediate sense

>>180507
What does any of that mean?

>>180508
It is to suggest that player/characters may be observed to have exploited GM permissiveness ^,_,^

>>180512 →
>This player likes to drive action so they can capitalize
No, I like to drive action, so the game moves forward, so we can finish quests and actually do things.
Also, stop making OOC posts in the RP thread.

>>180514
That explains the salty shitposts about T and Sperm counts.

Washboard.

Dont be a douche, and I wont.
Deal?

>>180515
I haven't even interacted with you in more than a week.
Keep OOC posts here.

>>180516
>keep OOC posts here!
He cries, while blissfully neglecting characters/players who dont habe his luxury of time

Ngl, this is gonna be tricky accommodating Tenebrous AND Cavaliere!

>>180517
>luxury of time
>implying
It takes the same amount of time to post in the ooc thread as it does in the RP thread.
Also, Idk what your situation is, but I don't have a "luxury of time"
>Ngl, this is gonna be tricky accommodating Tenebrous
It's partly for Tenebrous's sake that the ooc thread even exists, so that he doesn't have to sift through off-topic spam to backread what happened in the thread.

>>180518
Compared to other players, by your posting habits, you have a comparable luxury of time versus Tenebrous and Cavaliere.
Lets just resolve to not try to push the story forward artificially until they anf GM have posted.

Surely thats not a bridge too far

>>180519
The story doesn't move forward unless GM says so, and we've avoided getting into combat. All we've done this week is search empty rooms.
>you have a comparable luxury of time
I work ten hours a day.