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>>181658
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Danke dottore

>>181658
... You didn't take your full WBL?
3.5e characters need equipment to be functional, especially martials.
>you're not going to roll for stats? That's part of the fun.
It's fun if you roll high.

>>181658
>happy Thanksgiving everypony
So this, plz bake.

>>181660
Neither Silver nor Kira started with 5k to spend on equipment. I forget how much Silver started with exactly but it was definitely less than 5,000 Bits, all he had to start with in terms of equipment was a set of banded mail and a greatsword, both non-masterwork, and he didn't have a whole lot of money leftover to use on a room at the tavern. To be fair, this was back when I knew literally nothing about D&D, and I still don't know a whole lot since my entire knowledge base comes from the SRD and it's missing a lot of basic knowledge like what levels characters usually get feats at. Kira didn't have any Bits at all and instead came to Baltimare with a bunch of gold and jewelry to sell to get Bits, but she did start at least with masterwork studded leather armor, a masterwork spear, and a masterwork recurve bow with a +3 strength adjustment.

>>181664
qt

>>181663
Maybe something I know of, but possibly something (somehow) overlooked

>>181664
Posey when Mala

Ngl >>181667
Always pets for doggo

>>181664
D'awwww

>>181663
Kira still got 2400 bits plus a pocket watch after spending around 1000 to buy a deer

>>181670
Hmm, that's true, she did get a deer out of it

>>181670
>1000
I think that's enough to buy a young hart

>>181655
>Okay, sounds good
Ty.

I'm thinking of wis 14, int 8, and con 12. I use this point buy calculator: https://chicken-dinner.com/5e/5e-point-buy.html
But I haven't decided yet.
>You mean move one score to 14?
Yes, would that be okay?

>>181656
Ty for the help. I that helps me avoid multi-classing but I think that I'd almost want unnecessary multi-classing for story reasons. Like Vir learns to be a monk first and then a barbarian on her own. If she is a rage monk, then she's kinda learning to be an angry monk at first, it doesn't tie into her ptsd or character change.

>but you're not going to roll for stats? That's part of the fun.
It probably is, fren. ^^

But I think it works best if you don't have a clear character concept in the head already because then the random scores can guide your character creation.

But if you're like me with a somewhat clear image for what I want point buy seems like the way to go.

>but exp penalties are to prevent players from playing fast and loose with multiclassing.
Huh, haven't read this part. I'll try to look into it. Well, if I can top it of with a level in barbarian, then I'll simply have five ranks in monk till I reach level six.

What did you have to drink? I had pinot noir with dinner and Angry Orchard apple cider afterwards.

>>181712
You're using the wrong point calculator.
Just roll or use an array.

>>181716
Ah, I see. Is there better point buy calculator out there that I could use? Do I have to use these other alternatives? Well, if I have to, I will. ^^

>>181718
Nobody here has used point buy, so idk.
You should be using a third edition calculator if anything though.

I'd recommend rolling, myself. You can end up getting some pretty good rolls.

Literally me

>>181629
>Look at other races with high natural armor
Which races are you referring to?

Heres my problem with the Dastana.
Mages in DnD can be compared to people who draw perfect circles in a single stroke.
Go ahead, try it for yourself.
Now imagine that you spend so much time in study and practice - decades even - learning to draw a perfect circle with a single stroke.
Now do that, with weights strapped to your arms.

>>181742
To clarify, Im not saying its undoable, but thats expressly what the spell failure percent represents

>>181742
You need to be proficient in light armor to wear dastana, let alone cast in them.
And they have arcane spell failure chance chance, just like any other armor.
Also Mages wears bracers all of the time: they're called bracers of armor.

To Posey’s Player

I had thought that I could understand your character simply by the discussions we had in the thread. As has been repeatedly and thoroughly beaten into me I was mistaken. The character sheet is a little hard to dissect. I see ability scores and then “temporary scores” that give scores that look to me to be officially unbalanced for a level 5 (now 6) game, and the sheet doesn’t immediately explain where these “temporary scores” come from. That’s just one example.

Could you please, please write out in this thread what you are proposing for Posey - not as she is now, but as you are proposing her to be, in such a way that I understand you without needing to constantly try to figure out which book you’re getting things from? Just write it out in English.

Could I get:
Posey’s HP - a breakdown of where this HP comes from
Posey’s ability scores - a break down of where these come from (since evidently the answer isn’t “that’s what I rolled)
Posey’s AC - a breakdown of where this AC comes from
Posey’s damage reduction - a breakdown of where this damage reduction comes from
Posey’s saves - break down of where these saves come from
Posey’s spells - a break down of where these spells come from
The number of spells posey can cast per day
Posey’s spell like abilities, SU’s, or whatever other spells or extraordinary abilities she has, and where these come from
Posey’s total attack, and where this comes from
Posey’s skills and skill modifiers, and where these come from

Please try to communicate all of this in plain English in a way that anyone reading this thread could understand without needing to do 2000 pages of research of various 3rd edition books. I am not trying to get in an argument with you over what the rules are. I just want to understand your character while I am limited to posting on my phone.

Thank you

>>181757
I will get that in a bit.

Let me put it another way that hopefully is less passive aggressive:

Could you explain your proposed character sheet in such a way that all of the players - who are not steeped into the esoterics of 3.5 - could understand it, and such that I could not misunderstand it?

>>181758
Unless this is you. Then good

>>181759
>Could you explain your proposed character sheet in such a way that all of the players - who are not steeped into the esoterics of 3.5 - could understand it, and such that I could not misunderstand it?
I can try.
I'll also lay it out in a way that isn't a convoluted mess on a myth weavers sheet.

>>181719
It turns out that using standard array gave me the same stats as I got with point buy, so yeah, I can go array.
https://www.d20srd.org/srd/improvingMonsters.htm (The elite array)

So:
str 16 15+1
dex 13
con 12
int 8
wis 14
cha 10

Is what I've decided upon.

>Posey’s HP - a breakdown of where this HP comes from
Rosey Ring has a total of 55 HP, from a number of sources:
Hit Dice: As an undead monster, all of Rossy Ring's Hit Dice are d12s. This gives her an average of 33 HP with 4d12s
Desecrate (PHB): an undead creature created with the Desecrate spell (SRD) gains +1 HP per HD; doing this on an altar or beneath the statue of an evil deity increase this to +2 per HD. This gives Posey a total of +8 bonus HP.
Class (HH): or, more specifically, another member of her class. Thtough the Apprentice feat (DMGII), Posey has access to a mentor/slaver/master who is an 8th level Dread Necromancer (Heroes Of Horror): an undead master. Master Necromancers gain the following feature of Undead Mastery: "Undead Mastery: All undead creatures created by a dread necromancer who has reached 8th level or higher gain a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Dexterity and 2 additional hit points per Hit Die." This gives her a total of +8 bonus HP.
I counted Posey being created by her master on a Desecrated altar as one of her limited favors from her mentor. Favors are subject to DM abjudication, which is why I am willing to cut these features.
The The Bloodtouched Rite (ECS): this is a ritual from Eberron Campaign Setting; it involves a bloodletting Sacrament where the blood-worshipping Necromancers and priests of the blood of Vol permanently decrease their Constitution scores in exchange for Charisma bonus to HP at lvl 1 only, and +1 effective level to Rebuke Undead. It's setting specific, but we also have a cult of blood-worshipping Necromancers in this setting. This gives her +6 effective HP.

Being undead, she has no Constitution score, and cannot gain HP through Con-boosting spells or items.

>Posey’s ability scores - a break down of where these come from (since evidently the answer isn’t “that’s what I rolled)
Posey did roll high. Her rolls are public. She rolled the following array: 6, 14, 12, 17, 14, 14. She is a high-rolled character, although how much difference it makes is really minimal, because she really only needs charisma to function.

She also has ability mods from her race:
Unicorn (homebrew): +2 Int, +2 Wis
Half-Vampire Template (Libris Mortis): +2 Cha, +2 Str, +2 Dex
Magic-Blooded template (DrM): +2 Cha, -2 Wis

She also has a +2 Str Bonus from a symptom of Corruption (HH): Bones Thicken.

She also has a +4 Enhancement Bonus to Str and Dex from Undead Mastery applied by her Master (as mentioned above in HP).
I proposed cutting this.

She has +1 Cha, from getting to lvl 4

She has +1 Str, from major vampire bloodline

>Posey’s AC - a breakdown of where this AC comes from
Posey has AC from the following sources:
Armor (PHB): Posey is proficient in Light Armor and can cast spells freely while wearing it. At this moment she is wearing a nonmagical chain shirt, for +4 Armor Bonus to AC
Dastana Armor Mod (Oriental Adventures): Posey wears bracers with her chain shirt, for additional +1 AC, but only while wearing leather (NOT studded leather, padded, or chain shirt).
Race (LM): a Half-Vampire has +2 Natural Armor Bonus to AC.
Dex: Posey's unmodified Dex score is 16 (+3), but with Undead Mastery it is 20 (+5). Since she is wearing nonmagical, nonmasterwork chain shirt, she only gets +4 Dex to AC. (I proposed cutting this earlier).

I also just realized that she's supposed to get +1 natural armor from her vampire bloodline (SRD)... But I never put that on my sheet.

>Posey’s damage reduction - a breakdown of where this damage reduction comes from
Posey has two sources of Damage Reduction:
Class feature: Lich Body gives her DR 2/Magic AND Bludgeoning. This is the lower score, but also the most potent because magical burgeoning isn't common.
Race: Half-Vampire gives her DR Silver OR Magic. This carried her through the hydra fight, but magic weapons are common at this level.
Spellstitching (Complete Arcane): DR Silver OR Magic. This is redundant with Half-Vampire AND I proposed cutting out spellstitching anyway.
>Posey’s saves - break down of where these saves come from
Posey's saves come from her class progression (Good Will, Poor Fortitude, Poor Reflex)
Her ability scores (Dex; No Constitution Score; 12 Wis)
The Iron Will feat
And also... Spellstiching (CA), which gives +2 untyped bonus to saving throws. (I will cut this)

>Posey’s spells - a break down of where these spells come from
Posey's casts spells from the Dread Necromancer spell list:
https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/magic/spells/classSpellLists/dreadNecromancerSpells.html
A Dread Necromancer is a fixed-list caster, all of the spells on her spell list are spells known, but her ability to learn new spells is limited.
Rosey Ring gains a number of exclusive Cyst spells through the Mother Cyst feat.
Rosey Ring gains a handful of aberration-themed fear-based debuffs and summons through the Cerebrosis feat (Dragon #330). By now you are familiar with Posey's "Puppies". Most of the Cerebrosis spells are nearly identical to similar PHB spells on the Dread Necromancer spell list, but they are also cooler. She gains Cerebrosis as a bonus feat by sacrificing Constitution for the Rite Of The Blot.
Rosey Ring has the Necromantic Bloodline feat, which gives her a few necromancy spells, but these spells are all resundant. Through the combination of the Apprentice feat, she has swapped out some of her redundant spells for other spells, one of which is Disguise Undead, which is useful as it let Posey bring the ghast into the city without causing a scene.
>The number of spells posey can cast per day
From her class levels and ability score bonus, Rosey Ring has:
8 lvl 1 spell slots
5 lvl 2 spell slots
For some reason, Dread Necromancers don't have any lvl 0 slot...
Rosey Ring can cast lvl 2 spells, but through the Versatile Spellcaster feat, she can expend two of her lvl 2 slots to create a lvl 3 slot. This gimmick has saved her life on multiple occasions, as she likely would not have survived the fight with Luminous without creating a lvl 2 slot to summon her puppies, and she ABSOLUTELY would not have survived the Hydra fight without the source of acid damage from her puppies.
>Posey’s spell like abilities, SU’s, or whatever other spells or extraordinary abilities she has, and where these come from
Posey has spell-like abilities from Spellstiching: the spells she took are Unseen Servant, Tenser's Floating Disk, Create Magic Tattoo, and Wings Of Cover.
It would be sad to lose Unseen Servant and Floating Disk, but I proposed cutting spellstiching.

Rosey Ring has the following SLAs from her Magic-Blooded template 1/day: Nystul's Magic Aura, Detect Magic, Read Magic.

>Posey’s total attack, and where this comes from
Rosey Ring has a base attack bonus of +2, as Wizard. This, combined with high Str, has made her effective against humanoid enemies without magical armor.
Posey is a sadomasochist (Book Of Vile Darkness), and has on multiple occasions relied on the bonuses from taking or giving certain thresholds of damage to carry her through combat (again, carried her through the hydra fight and Luminous), as it has helped her turn misses into hits against enemies that severely damaged her.
>Posey’s skills and skill modifiers, and where these come from
As a Dread Necromancer, Posey has 2 skillpoints per level, this bonus increases with her intelligence score.
Half-vampires have a +2 racial bonus on Bluff, Hide, Listen, Move Silently, and Spot checks.
She also has feats that give her marginal skill bonuses, such as Stealthy.
Posey's skills are distributed in a way to maximize synergy bonuses between them.
She has +2 to Climb and Search from vampire bloodline
She has several equipment bonuses

>>181765
Oh yeah, she also has Kelgore's Grave Mist, from her Advanced Learning class feature. Forgot to mention that under spells.

Sorry to nterrupt, but the racial adjustments I made for bats was +2 dex, -1 Con (hollow bones), +2 listen checks. If that is not correct, please advise.

>>181767
>>181764
I didn't know that this setting had racial bonuses. What's the one for earth ponies?

I honestly, I'm pretty satisfied with my stats. Though, I am bit greedy for more str bonuses. ^^

>>181768
I think earth ponies are "humans", no point adjustment, just an extra feat?

>>181769
Hehe, I thought that that might be the case as well. Well, that works fine for me. ^^

>>181769
They might be more of a half-orc proxy.
Bats also grt to fly, I think thats was why we went with that array

>>181771
The thing about Earth ponies is they don't always have to be Big Mac sized, so its conceivable that the human template would be agreeable

>>181768
Earth Ponies get +2 Strength and +2 Constitution.

There may have been another benefit, but I cannot recall.

>Could you please, please write out in this thread what you are proposing for Posey - not as she is now, but as you are proposing her to be, in such a way that I understand you without needing to constantly try to figure out which book you’re getting things from? Just write it out in English.
Sorry, I misunderstood the prompt.
I proposed cutting some stuff from her sheet:
>Remove spellstitching (SLAs, save bonuses, spell resistance)
>Remove bonuses from Desecrate (8 bonus HP)
>Remove bonuses from Undead Mastery (enhancement bonus to ability scores, 8 bonus HP)
All of these bonuses were things that were applied by another, higher-level character, so I'm okay with removing them all in spirit of her having to play gold and XP to apply them herself at lvl 8.
In addition, I'm open to removing the following:
>Cut immunity to mind-affecting attacks

I would like to keep the rest of her sheet the same, unless there's anything that stands out to you that I should cut.

>>181779
With these changes, what are Posey’s

Final ability scores?

Total Attack Bonus (base plus relevant modifiers)?

AC as applied?

>>181780
Ability scores
>17 Str, 16 Dex, N/A Con, 16 Int, 12 Wis, 22 Cha
>Total Attack Bonus (base plus relevant modifiers)
+5 (2 BAB, +3 ability) in both melee and range
+7 with a +2 weapon and no barding; +5 with a +2 weapon and no barding
>AC as applied
20, when wearing full armor

>>181777
Okay, nice. Do you accept these scores of mine: >>181762 ?
>>181776
>The thing about Earth ponies is they don't always have to be Big Mac sized, so its conceivable that the human template would be agreeable
Yeah, that does make sense to me. That's why in a homebrew idea I had, I created this other pony race, called trojan horses that took on the more strength based archetype.

>>181781
*+6 with a +2 weapon and grotesque barding

Tbh, I should probably ask for approval for this:
>Grotesque Barding: Crafted with horns, scales, and other body parts from devils and demons, grotesque barding is horrible to behold. An animal wearing grotesque barding takes a -1 penalty on attack rolls but automatically attempts to demoralize any creature it attacks, gaining a +2 circumstance bonus on the Intimidate check. This demoralizing check is made as a part of the animal's attack and requires no conscious choice by the animal, nor an additional standard action. Grotesque barding costs 50 gp more than ordinary harding of the same type and weighs an additional 10 pounds.
Posey wearing armor made of bones served a functional role, not just fashion. I was mentioning it since day 1, but idk if that was understood to be mechanical.
This is a feature made for animals and mounts, but I have used it for centaurs and other quadrupedal characters before.

>>181777
Wait, was I supposed to get something for being a zeeb?

>>181786
Child support obligation?

>>181786
>>181787
I was just about to write bantz myself. ^^

>>181787
>>181788
Wha! How rude! The international council of zeeb relations will be hearing about this.