Can the party avoid tearing each-other's throat out? Can they successfully complete the dungeon and rid Port Barry of the giant glass octahedron that sits motionless a short way off the docks? Will GM have an aneurysm from it all?
Welcome back to the Nuts RP thread, where new faggots (players) are always welcome and previous faggots interact based increasingly loosely on D&D 3.5e core rules.
This thread begins with Thez completing a marvelous and unplanned concert now that she can cast "Dancing lights!" again, and a large crowd has formed around the square, where both Infernius and Trump appear to be intending to address the crowd, Thez having vacated the impromptu stage with several bouquets of flowers and adoring cheers from the crowd.
She has obscene skill pertaining to "Perform"
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>>53134
>why be involved in the situation at all if there's no clear benefit to your being there?
You don't choose to be involved in situations. Situations just happen.
I like complex, dramatic circumstances (that don't occur through metafaggotry), where there may be good or bad consequences on either side of the issue.
>what is the point of the characters being there if they can't do anything that makes a difference, because no outcome is good?
It's not a proper tragedy if you don't learn something from it in the aftermath. Your decisions when circumstances are hazy define your views and values as a character. Anyone can make a decision when circumstances are clear, but when situations become convoluted, that's where the real character-development occurs.
>Trumpaladin has definitely sat out battles when morality is gray
You have that Phylactery of Faithfulness: you won't fall without realizing it.
>Smite
It's not the damage, it's the concept: I wanna own the role as long as I have it (might just toss the levels if I see a better development plan, so that's a bit gray)
Poisons, Smiting, Sneak attacks: overall I built a character capable of doing bad things to good people, if they get in the way of what she's aiming for when necessary.
>alignment being a good way to guess whether or not someone is likely to keep or violate the NAP
Alignment is not a sure-kill method to know if a character will always be on your side. Good characters have conflicts of interest too.
>why be involved in the situation at all if there's no clear benefit to your being there?
You don't choose to be involved in situations. Situations just happen.
I like complex, dramatic circumstances (that don't occur through metafaggotry), where there may be good or bad consequences on either side of the issue.
>what is the point of the characters being there if they can't do anything that makes a difference, because no outcome is good?
It's not a proper tragedy if you don't learn something from it in the aftermath. Your decisions when circumstances are hazy define your views and values as a character. Anyone can make a decision when circumstances are clear, but when situations become convoluted, that's where the real character-development occurs.
>Trumpaladin has definitely sat out battles when morality is gray
You have that Phylactery of Faithfulness: you won't fall without realizing it.
>Smite
It's not the damage, it's the concept: I wanna own the role as long as I have it (might just toss the levels if I see a better development plan, so that's a bit gray)
Poisons, Smiting, Sneak attacks: overall I built a character capable of doing bad things to good people, if they get in the way of what she's aiming for when necessary.
>alignment being a good way to guess whether or not someone is likely to keep or violate the NAP
Alignment is not a sure-kill method to know if a character will always be on your side. Good characters have conflicts of interest too.
>>53136
>Damage doesn't matter
Well it fucking does to me when the entire mechanic is centered around combat and my character is nerfed in it, because the entire class is designed around facing evil opponents.
And if your whole issue is role play, well damn it, I'm roleplaying a Crusader. So yeah, evil enemies are better
>if they get in the way of what she's aiming for when necessary
What the hell is your character aiming for? Aside from being your tool to gain more items and powers for combat you don't actually have an interest in?
>Not a proper Tragedy
Tragedy is fun to read and watch. Why the hell would you want to live or play it?
>You don't choose to be involved in situations. Situations just happen
The reason I can't chose what happens to me in life is because the only alternative to being flung around by circumstance is Suicide. A game is about taking power over your character and circumstance
>>53137
Why is space so much more interesting to you than the hordes of villains on the same planet? Do you think a different planet might be less boring to you? If you're bored by this planet, why would a different one be less boring to you?
>Damage doesn't matter
Well it fucking does to me when the entire mechanic is centered around combat and my character is nerfed in it, because the entire class is designed around facing evil opponents.
And if your whole issue is role play, well damn it, I'm roleplaying a Crusader. So yeah, evil enemies are better
>if they get in the way of what she's aiming for when necessary
What the hell is your character aiming for? Aside from being your tool to gain more items and powers for combat you don't actually have an interest in?
>Not a proper Tragedy
Tragedy is fun to read and watch. Why the hell would you want to live or play it?
>You don't choose to be involved in situations. Situations just happen
The reason I can't chose what happens to me in life is because the only alternative to being flung around by circumstance is Suicide. A game is about taking power over your character and circumstance
>>53137
Why is space so much more interesting to you than the hordes of villains on the same planet? Do you think a different planet might be less boring to you? If you're bored by this planet, why would a different one be less boring to you?
>>53136
>you won't fall without realizing it
No, the problem is why the hell am I doing this in the first place. A motivation to actually act, not a fear of being nerfed more. Not that falling matters as much if enemies are not evil aligned, because most of the powers pertain to evil foes anyways
>you won't fall without realizing it
No, the problem is why the hell am I doing this in the first place. A motivation to actually act, not a fear of being nerfed more. Not that falling matters as much if enemies are not evil aligned, because most of the powers pertain to evil foes anyways
>>53139
>when the entire mechanic is centered around combat and my character is nerfed in it
M8, you don't always have to be the one killing. My character fights best off of the battlefield anyway: I wanna murder enemies behind the scenes, when their pants are down.
>when the entire mechanic is centered around combat and my character is nerfed in it
M8, you don't always have to be the one killing. My character fights best off of the battlefield anyway: I wanna murder enemies behind the scenes, when their pants are down.
>>53146
I want to steal things because that's what my character is good at. If I'm going to be a thief, I want to get the chance to steal things.
>There is nothing worth taking from low level NPCs
That's why I hope to find some higher-level NPCs with deep pockets, or vaults to rob.
I want to steal things because that's what my character is good at. If I'm going to be a thief, I want to get the chance to steal things.
>There is nothing worth taking from low level NPCs
That's why I hope to find some higher-level NPCs with deep pockets, or vaults to rob.
>>53147
Exactly. You wish to be a nigger. Just killing and sealing from low level NPCs because... Well, there is no reason. It's not taking the world or the campaign seriously at all, because you think you can just go around destroying parts of it with impunity. I've played with people who do this, and it pisses me off to no end
Exactly. You wish to be a nigger. Just killing and sealing from low level NPCs because... Well, there is no reason. It's not taking the world or the campaign seriously at all, because you think you can just go around destroying parts of it with impunity. I've played with people who do this, and it pisses me off to no end
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>>53149
I'm playing a NE thief: I'll steal anything I can get away with, and murder anyone I need to do it.
I'm playing a NE thief: I'll steal anything I can get away with, and murder anyone I need to do it.
>>53150
There's no deep need for you to play as nigger. People who do that are asshole players who show a contempt for the world
There's no deep need for you to play as nigger. People who do that are asshole players who show a contempt for the world
>>53151
My character is a psychopathic killer on some days, and a boorish thug on others. She's usually more interested in the acts she commits rather than the goals they help her attain, and her goals tend to be short-term wants.
tl;dr: bad character does bad things because she's bad.
My character is a psychopathic killer on some days, and a boorish thug on others. She's usually more interested in the acts she commits rather than the goals they help her attain, and her goals tend to be short-term wants.
tl;dr: bad character does bad things because she's bad.
>>53145
Yes, it's why I hate your character, and the fact that character is the only one you want to play is one of many reasons I don't like you
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Yes, it's why I hate your character, and the fact that character is the only one you want to play is one of many reasons I don't like you
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>>53153
I guess stealing from characters who stole from you is still stealing, but it doesn't really feel as malevolent.
I guess stealing from characters who stole from you is still stealing, but it doesn't really feel as malevolent.
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No response from Trump forthcoming, I can state with relative certainty that I can accommodate both Trump and Tracy, as well as Infernius, and Torcuil (him less immediately, but more fully over time), and Thez for that matter with one of several plans/ventures that I've otherwise shelved because of what was habbening at the time.
>>53156
>stealing from characters who stole from you is still stealing
Heroes never steal anon. It's called civil asset forfeiture
>>53153
>Would Trump have the same objections if it involved stealing from ppl who stole from the party first?
You mean like the Drow or the Court City people? Hell no. Fuck those guys
>>53135
I definitely wouldn't word it this way, but that's basically the same as my goal here
>>53157
I probably wouldn't play Tracy in a heroic campaign. This "kill people who are weaker than you and non-threatening, and take the tiny amount of money you don't need" thing is fine for a Grand Theft Auto:Sword Coast campaign, and that's a valid kind of campaign to run. But I definitely don't want to play that campaign, and it also it's the way this campaign has developed thus far, especially after the most recent changes.
But to play Tracy as an anti-hero, I'd make her the queen or protector of /mlp/ against shitposters, yesturdy, moot, glimmerniggers, aerolite, and rivals like Ponychan
>stealing from characters who stole from you is still stealing
Heroes never steal anon. It's called civil asset forfeiture
>>53153
>Would Trump have the same objections if it involved stealing from ppl who stole from the party first?
You mean like the Drow or the Court City people? Hell no. Fuck those guys
>>53135
I definitely wouldn't word it this way, but that's basically the same as my goal here
>>53157
I probably wouldn't play Tracy in a heroic campaign. This "kill people who are weaker than you and non-threatening, and take the tiny amount of money you don't need" thing is fine for a Grand Theft Auto:Sword Coast campaign, and that's a valid kind of campaign to run. But I definitely don't want to play that campaign, and it also it's the way this campaign has developed thus far, especially after the most recent changes.
But to play Tracy as an anti-hero, I'd make her the queen or protector of /mlp/ against shitposters, yesturdy, moot, glimmerniggers, aerolite, and rivals like Ponychan
>>53162
Anon, I'm not sure you understand how good and evil work. Good people do not steal. My character is good. So if he takes a possession of another with out that person's consent and with the intent to permanently deprive, clearly he must be doing something other than stealing.
Just as arresting is not kidnapping, taxation is not a protection racket, the death penalty is not murder, the draft is not slavery, and campaign donations are not bribes, neither can the proper authorities ever steal
Anon, I'm not sure you understand how good and evil work. Good people do not steal. My character is good. So if he takes a possession of another with out that person's consent and with the intent to permanently deprive, clearly he must be doing something other than stealing.
Just as arresting is not kidnapping, taxation is not a protection racket, the death penalty is not murder, the draft is not slavery, and campaign donations are not bribes, neither can the proper authorities ever steal
>>53163
>if he takes a possession of another with out that person's consent and with the intent to permanently deprive, clearly he must be doing something other than stealing
Wat?
>if he takes a possession of another with out that person's consent and with the intent to permanently deprive, clearly he must be doing something other than stealing
Wat?
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>>53165
I was just repeating the legal definition of larceny as defined in the model penal code yes, I made an A in first-year criminal law
Larceny is the 1. trespassery (non-consensual) 2. taking 3. of property 4. belonging to another 5. with the intent to permanently deprive
So I was being ironic, because just because I fully intend to play a black and white character, doesn't mean I don't intend to be ironic about it
>>53166
It's a little more complex then that, but basically yes
I was just repeating the legal definition of larceny as defined in the model penal code yes, I made an A in first-year criminal law
Larceny is the 1. trespassery (non-consensual) 2. taking 3. of property 4. belonging to another 5. with the intent to permanently deprive
So I was being ironic, because just because I fully intend to play a black and white character, doesn't mean I don't intend to be ironic about it
>>53166
It's a little more complex then that, but basically yes
>>53166
Thats a bit of a broad generalization. It would be more accurate to say that Authority (as in competence) is good. I don't contest that there are exceptions - especially in real-world implementation - but that's the principle.
Thats a bit of a broad generalization. It would be more accurate to say that Authority (as in competence) is good. I don't contest that there are exceptions - especially in real-world implementation - but that's the principle.
>>53168
Well, the definition of "authority" is "power we are willing to obey and don't want to rebel against," so yeah it's kind of tautological that authority is good power
Well, the definition of "authority" is "power we are willing to obey and don't want to rebel against," so yeah it's kind of tautological that authority is good power
>>53169
I make that distinction on personal grounds, as I inhabit many social, professional, and economic hierarchies that are predicated in some cases on (as I say, "legitimate") authority, and in other cases on cronyism, nepotism, and a variety of other categories that technically and literally stand in opposition to a true competence hierarchy.
I make that distinction on personal grounds, as I inhabit many social, professional, and economic hierarchies that are predicated in some cases on (as I say, "legitimate") authority, and in other cases on cronyism, nepotism, and a variety of other categories that technically and literally stand in opposition to a true competence hierarchy.
>>53168
No no no, I meant it as the view points.
Example: Taxation
Heavy authoritarion: Taxation is okay and not theft
Anarchist: Taxation is 100% theft
Anyway, Torc asks Death an intresting question.
"Hey Death, can you keep people from reviving if you wanted too?"
No no no, I meant it as the view points.
Example: Taxation
Heavy authoritarion: Taxation is okay and not theft
Anarchist: Taxation is 100% theft
Anyway, Torc asks Death an intresting question.
"Hey Death, can you keep people from reviving if you wanted too?"
>>53166
This.
I interpret the spectrum of Good to be "helping people" and evil to be "hurting people". At the same time, Law would be "following/respecting authority", and chaos would be "defying authority".
Just because you appeal to a higher authority than yourself doesn't change the moral nature of your action. Even if your action isn't ebil, being lawful doesn't make it good.
>>53169
>authority is good power
I disagree. Authority isn't necessarily a power you're "willing" to obey. Authority can be held by extremely evil people. Even if the king is a kike, he's still king, and thus has authority under the laws of that land.
Just because you don't agree with an authority doesn't make it any less legitimate either. Likewise, being good doesn't give you legitimate authority to do as you please, because laws are still laws, even if they're evil, twisted, disgusting laws. It's fine to break laws in the name of good, but you're still breaking the law, regardless of how noble your intentions are.
This.
I interpret the spectrum of Good to be "helping people" and evil to be "hurting people". At the same time, Law would be "following/respecting authority", and chaos would be "defying authority".
Just because you appeal to a higher authority than yourself doesn't change the moral nature of your action. Even if your action isn't ebil, being lawful doesn't make it good.
>>53169
>authority is good power
I disagree. Authority isn't necessarily a power you're "willing" to obey. Authority can be held by extremely evil people. Even if the king is a kike, he's still king, and thus has authority under the laws of that land.
Just because you don't agree with an authority doesn't make it any less legitimate either. Likewise, being good doesn't give you legitimate authority to do as you please, because laws are still laws, even if they're evil, twisted, disgusting laws. It's fine to break laws in the name of good, but you're still breaking the law, regardless of how noble your intentions are.
>>53173
Hey, thats how I interpret it too.
Lawful: I will not break the rules
Chaotic: I will break the rules if I want
Good: I will save the puppy
Netrual: I will not go out of my way to save the puppy
Evil: I will make sure the puppy isn't saved
Hey, thats how I interpret it too.
Lawful: I will not break the rules
Chaotic: I will break the rules if I want
Good: I will save the puppy
Netrual: I will not go out of my way to save the puppy
Evil: I will make sure the puppy isn't saved
>>53171
I live in nothing but hierarchies it feels like. I have a very hobbesian view about authority. That is, it flows from power, and not the other way around. It's almost always in your interest to obey, because if someone has power, that means they have the power to hurt you if you displease them, but also to give you what you want if you please them.
>>53173
Eh. I never said I agreed with the Lockean view of authority.
>Authority isn't necessarily a power you're "willing" to obey
Well obviously it's a power that someone is willing to obey, otherwise the king couldn't have power. So if your point is that authority can be authority to some but not to others, I think you're over looking that
I live in nothing but hierarchies it feels like. I have a very hobbesian view about authority. That is, it flows from power, and not the other way around. It's almost always in your interest to obey, because if someone has power, that means they have the power to hurt you if you displease them, but also to give you what you want if you please them.
>>53173
Eh. I never said I agreed with the Lockean view of authority.
>Authority isn't necessarily a power you're "willing" to obey
Well obviously it's a power that someone is willing to obey, otherwise the king couldn't have power. So if your point is that authority can be authority to some but not to others, I think you're over looking that
>>53172
You're asking me to specify a generalized concept that spans a multitude of ideologies and mythologies. If you insist on it, I'm going to favor the depicted dynamic of Piers Anthony's "On a Pale Horse".
>>53174
I disagree with that categorization. Give me a minute to articulate
>>53175
Well yeah, that's Law (of Power) #1 - Never Outshine the Master
You're asking me to specify a generalized concept that spans a multitude of ideologies and mythologies. If you insist on it, I'm going to favor the depicted dynamic of Piers Anthony's "On a Pale Horse".
>>53174
I disagree with that categorization. Give me a minute to articulate
>>53175
Well yeah, that's Law (of Power) #1 - Never Outshine the Master
I would divide the ideas as follows:
Good - I will save the puppy, because its the right thing to do
Neutral - I may save the puppy, depending on the circumstances
Evil - I will save the puppy if it is in my best interest, or I will let it die, likewise
Good - I will save the puppy, because its the right thing to do
Neutral - I may save the puppy, depending on the circumstances
Evil - I will save the puppy if it is in my best interest, or I will let it die, likewise
>>53175
>obviously it's a power that someone is willing to obey
Or the person making those rules could just be very, very powerful: powerful enough to oppress the public.
>obviously it's a power that someone is willing to obey
Or the person making those rules could just be very, very powerful: powerful enough to oppress the public.
>>53178
Individuals never have that much power out of their own talents outside of Fantasy literature. Humans are far more equal than that. They always rely on hundreds of thousands or millions of other human beings willing to execute their will
Individuals never have that much power out of their own talents outside of Fantasy literature. Humans are far more equal than that. They always rely on hundreds of thousands or millions of other human beings willing to execute their will
>>53179
Right, that.
"No, who can and cannot be revived is outside my purview. Legitimately, my role and capacity is as something of a manifold, weighing and measuring the soul and making determinations as to which outer plane the soul retires to," Death says to Torcuil.
Right, that.
"No, who can and cannot be revived is outside my purview. Legitimately, my role and capacity is as something of a manifold, weighing and measuring the soul and making determinations as to which outer plane the soul retires to," Death says to Torcuil.
>>53180
>outside of Fantasy literature
This is fantasy though.
>They always rely on hundreds of thousands or millions of other human beings willing to execute their will
Yeah, but those individuals could just as easily be motivated by their own self-interests and have little respect for the system itself.
>outside of Fantasy literature
This is fantasy though.
>They always rely on hundreds of thousands or millions of other human beings willing to execute their will
Yeah, but those individuals could just as easily be motivated by their own self-interests and have little respect for the system itself.
>>53182
>just as easily be motivated by their own self-interests and have little respect for the system itself
Still counts as others doing thy bidding
>This is fantasy
I was talking about outside of this RPG, but even here, there's pretty clearly several groups with aligned interests giving the big bad a hell of a lot more power than he could have on his own
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>just as easily be motivated by their own self-interests and have little respect for the system itself
Still counts as others doing thy bidding
>This is fantasy
I was talking about outside of this RPG, but even here, there's pretty clearly several groups with aligned interests giving the big bad a hell of a lot more power than he could have on his own
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