This thread is meant to debunk the deranged idea that our realm is a planet floating in space.
If the so called established science can't be challenged, then it's not science, but religion.
/vx/ - Videogames and Paranormal
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>>164845
>>164865
This.
Essentially how I go about things.
>>164852
>If one's ideas don't withstand opposition
The question is not whether they withstand opposition or not. But rather, how much importance you want to grant to some random aspie. It's just like Jordan Peterstein said:
<"You don't have to put up with children's bullshit"
You can just opt out and say: "Well, feel free to make the last post ITT, you fucking manchild..."
>>164865
This.
Essentially how I go about things.
>>164852
>If one's ideas don't withstand opposition
The question is not whether they withstand opposition or not. But rather, how much importance you want to grant to some random aspie. It's just like Jordan Peterstein said:
<"You don't have to put up with children's bullshit"
You can just opt out and say: "Well, feel free to make the last post ITT, you fucking manchild..."
>>164881
>You can just opt out and say: "Well, feel free to make the last post ITT, you fucking manchild..."
This.
A baller gang came to shit this bread and they are getting frustrated and making a fuzz because OP won't take them seriously.
>You can just opt out and say: "Well, feel free to make the last post ITT, you fucking manchild..."
This.
A baller gang came to shit this bread and they are getting frustrated and making a fuzz because OP won't take them seriously.
>>164882
you know, this is observably, demonstrably false. I grew up in Florida and once or twice a year my old man would take me up to watch shuttle launches. They went up but they sure didn't come down for a few days.
you know, this is observably, demonstrably false. I grew up in Florida and once or twice a year my old man would take me up to watch shuttle launches. They went up but they sure didn't come down for a few days.
>>164883
>you know, this is observably, demonstrably false
I guess your old man took you with him in day time. The photograph is a night time capture with a very long exposure to capture the rocket's real trajectory.
>you know, this is observably, demonstrably false
I guess your old man took you with him in day time. The photograph is a night time capture with a very long exposure to capture the rocket's real trajectory.
Anonymous
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>>164884
actually I'm going to say with almost certainty that I was there for STS-84's launch, the time of year feels right and I remember we had to get up REALLY early to go catch it
Launched: May 15, 1997 4:07:48 a.m. EDT
Landing Site: Kennedy Space Center, Florida
Landing: May 24, 1997, 9:27:44 a.m. EDT
actually I'm going to say with almost certainty that I was there for STS-84's launch, the time of year feels right and I remember we had to get up REALLY early to go catch it
Launched: May 15, 1997 4:07:48 a.m. EDT
Landing Site: Kennedy Space Center, Florida
Landing: May 24, 1997, 9:27:44 a.m. EDT
>>164886
and to answer your next cope:
6:32 AM
Thursday, May 15, 1997 (EDT)
Sunrise in Daytona Beach, FL
and to answer your next cope:
6:32 AM
Thursday, May 15, 1997 (EDT)
Sunrise in Daytona Beach, FL
>>164881
Would that it were so simple.
Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, but the flat earth psyop is as subversive to objective reality as the transgender craze, just targeting a different demographic.
Would that it were so simple.
Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, but the flat earth psyop is as subversive to objective reality as the transgender craze, just targeting a different demographic.
>>164889
>sheer dishonesty
Flat Earth is based on demonstrable and reproducible experiments, not to mention wide inconsistencies in the heliocentric model.
Transgender craze is based on political correctness which by definition is deliberated distortion of language, when not suppression of inconvenient facts.
>sheer dishonesty
Flat Earth is based on demonstrable and reproducible experiments, not to mention wide inconsistencies in the heliocentric model.
Transgender craze is based on political correctness which by definition is deliberated distortion of language, when not suppression of inconvenient facts.
>>164891
Splitting hairs, they both involve a denial of objective reality with spurious ideas brought about by ignorant and stupid people
https://youtu.be/ww47bR86wSc
Splitting hairs, they both involve a denial of objective reality with spurious ideas brought about by ignorant and stupid people
https://youtu.be/ww47bR86wSc
Anonymous
No.164895
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>>164889
I could see this. Making up wacky shit and associating it with your enemies they do all the time
I cringe when it's mentioned by people like Sven or Mike, even though they're usually good. I've also seen a few sites make articles about Nazi flat-earthers
I could see this. Making up wacky shit and associating it with your enemies they do all the time
I cringe when it's mentioned by people like Sven or Mike, even though they're usually good. I've also seen a few sites make articles about Nazi flat-earthers
>>164892
Literal jewTube propaganda, what are you doing?
The stupid people are the one's that watch propaganda for entertainment or think it's a good thing to post
Like I get videos can make good points (though they're not a replacement for you saying something yourself), but these kinds of videos are tailor-made propaganda, even has the whole literal atrocity propaganda at the start
The whole thing is masturbating redditor types because they watch it and go
>"haha, yes, those dummy dumbos are so dumb, good thing I am better than them and believe mr youtube man, haha, I'm smart"
None of it makes sense, it's just presented as if it does and implies, obviously, that if you don't follow it you are one of the dumbos
>You can fight against malice but not idiocy because you can use violence against malicious people
Like this. What is it supposed to mean? It's stated like it's profound but you can obviously punch a dumb person exactly as much as an evil person, every sentence in these is some kind of "if you kill your enemies, they win" stupid bullshit that's just meant to sound like it makes sense
I dare you to take a sentence out of that video that makes a concrete and useful point that you can actually back up. What's the point of the video? What is the point you're trying to make? Why post it? Stupid people are stupid and bad and don't think right? Why do you need to make this point? Why do you feel as if you can't make it yourself?
[Read more] Literal jewTube propaganda, what are you doing?
The stupid people are the one's that watch propaganda for entertainment or think it's a good thing to post
Like I get videos can make good points (though they're not a replacement for you saying something yourself), but these kinds of videos are tailor-made propaganda, even has the whole literal atrocity propaganda at the start
The whole thing is masturbating redditor types because they watch it and go
>"haha, yes, those dummy dumbos are so dumb, good thing I am better than them and believe mr youtube man, haha, I'm smart"
None of it makes sense, it's just presented as if it does and implies, obviously, that if you don't follow it you are one of the dumbos
>You can fight against malice but not idiocy because you can use violence against malicious people
Like this. What is it supposed to mean? It's stated like it's profound but you can obviously punch a dumb person exactly as much as an evil person, every sentence in these is some kind of "if you kill your enemies, they win" stupid bullshit that's just meant to sound like it makes sense
I dare you to take a sentence out of that video that makes a concrete and useful point that you can actually back up. What's the point of the video? What is the point you're trying to make? Why post it? Stupid people are stupid and bad and don't think right? Why do you need to make this point? Why do you feel as if you can't make it yourself?
Anonymous
No.164899
>>164888
yes, I googled scheduled STS launches because I was a child at the time. I'm sorry, is my objective, personal experience not good enough for you retard? KSFS launches are public for the most part, go watch one if you can scrape together enough allowance for a bus ticket to Florida
yes, I googled scheduled STS launches because I was a child at the time. I'm sorry, is my objective, personal experience not good enough for you retard? KSFS launches are public for the most part, go watch one if you can scrape together enough allowance for a bus ticket to Florida
Anonymous
No.164900
>>164891
>wide inconsistencies
Dozens of inconsistencies have been pointed out with the flat-earth model as well, many of which you've refused to reply to in this thread. I can't even count all the times the things you've asserted have been either refuted logically, or directly contradicted with more substantial evidence. Most of the time you just scroll past them and pretend they don't exist, because they obviously pointed out gaping inconsistencies in what you just said.
>>164891
>based on demonstrable and reproducible experiments
Even more have been done confirming that the earth is flat, but you've dismissed every single one of them as "NASA shills" without actually disputing their studies for their material.
You've set an impossible standard for any scientist or witness that could have refuted your worldview through ad hominem alone, because apparently everyone who proves you wrong is a "NASA/Freemason shill", even when they have no apparent connection to either organization. You claim that actors like NASA have absurd amounts of far-reaching influence on every continent, without any evidence to support it, let alone why or how; if you asked any other /pol/ack how or why the Jews control the global media and politics, you'd get a mountain of evidence in minutes, but you keep dodging those same questions about NASA. You lump all of them together as part of some grand conspiracy that has supposedly gotten all those separate parties to agree with seamless efficiency. You refuse to answer to anyone who makes an evidence-backed argument as a "shill" (ad hominem), without even trying to refute their arguments. You claim, without evidence, that any video or photograph that challenges your worldview is "photoshopped" without providing evidence or even trying to pursue evidence (such as checking noise patterns).
Not only that, preemptively excluding anyone who might have a connection to aerospace, geography or astrology organizations (in ALL countries, apparently) effectively excludes all scientists in that field, leaving only sketchy YouTubers as an excuse for a source.
What kind of argument would actually convince you? What kind of scientific source would you even consider acceptable if it proved the earth was round? What's your actual standard of evidence? Who would you accept that kind of evidence from? What kind of evidence would you consider to meet your standards of proof? Do you seriously only accept evidence that reaffirms your worldview?
How is anyone supposed to take you seriously like this? Is this how you intend to convince people that the world is flat?
[Read more] >wide inconsistencies
Dozens of inconsistencies have been pointed out with the flat-earth model as well, many of which you've refused to reply to in this thread. I can't even count all the times the things you've asserted have been either refuted logically, or directly contradicted with more substantial evidence. Most of the time you just scroll past them and pretend they don't exist, because they obviously pointed out gaping inconsistencies in what you just said.
>>164891
>based on demonstrable and reproducible experiments
Even more have been done confirming that the earth is flat, but you've dismissed every single one of them as "NASA shills" without actually disputing their studies for their material.
You've set an impossible standard for any scientist or witness that could have refuted your worldview through ad hominem alone, because apparently everyone who proves you wrong is a "NASA/Freemason shill", even when they have no apparent connection to either organization. You claim that actors like NASA have absurd amounts of far-reaching influence on every continent, without any evidence to support it, let alone why or how; if you asked any other /pol/ack how or why the Jews control the global media and politics, you'd get a mountain of evidence in minutes, but you keep dodging those same questions about NASA. You lump all of them together as part of some grand conspiracy that has supposedly gotten all those separate parties to agree with seamless efficiency. You refuse to answer to anyone who makes an evidence-backed argument as a "shill" (ad hominem), without even trying to refute their arguments. You claim, without evidence, that any video or photograph that challenges your worldview is "photoshopped" without providing evidence or even trying to pursue evidence (such as checking noise patterns).
Not only that, preemptively excluding anyone who might have a connection to aerospace, geography or astrology organizations (in ALL countries, apparently) effectively excludes all scientists in that field, leaving only sketchy YouTubers as an excuse for a source.
What kind of argument would actually convince you? What kind of scientific source would you even consider acceptable if it proved the earth was round? What's your actual standard of evidence? Who would you accept that kind of evidence from? What kind of evidence would you consider to meet your standards of proof? Do you seriously only accept evidence that reaffirms your worldview?
How is anyone supposed to take you seriously like this? Is this how you intend to convince people that the world is flat?
And ffs, why doesn't this thread have IDs? It's impossible to have a consistent argument like this.
Anonymous
No.164904
>>164896
That the theory of idiocy was derived in Nazi Germany in concentration camps has no bearing on the phenomenon, and I postrd it cuz OP is precisely the sort of idiot that is described in the video, since you're so quick on the uptake
That the theory of idiocy was derived in Nazi Germany in concentration camps has no bearing on the phenomenon, and I postrd it cuz OP is precisely the sort of idiot that is described in the video, since you're so quick on the uptake
Anonymous
No.164905
>>164882
>meme
>no meme or rationale to explain the curving phenomena
To answer the question, the rocket curves *because* the world is round: because the world isn't flat, gravity doesn't pull straight 'down', but towards the center of the earth, which is why a long-range rocket's path is a segment of an ellipse.
And, in a hypothetical circumstance that we lived on a flat 'realm' where 'gravity' represented a single-direction force, the rocket would still curve, because the rocket would travel both horizontally and vertically, but only it's vertical travel would be affected by said one-dimensional gravity: the difference is that for flat earth the rocket would be a sharper parabola, rather than an elliptical segment, and long-range rockets would be less of a pain to aim.
>>164883
I'm a Florida Man too. I don't go that often though. Too much driving, and I'm not fond of crowds.
>>164888
He doesn't need a chart to tell you if it was day or night.
What are you trying to argue here?
[Read more] >meme
>no meme or rationale to explain the curving phenomena
To answer the question, the rocket curves *because* the world is round: because the world isn't flat, gravity doesn't pull straight 'down', but towards the center of the earth, which is why a long-range rocket's path is a segment of an ellipse.
And, in a hypothetical circumstance that we lived on a flat 'realm' where 'gravity' represented a single-direction force, the rocket would still curve, because the rocket would travel both horizontally and vertically, but only it's vertical travel would be affected by said one-dimensional gravity: the difference is that for flat earth the rocket would be a sharper parabola, rather than an elliptical segment, and long-range rockets would be less of a pain to aim.
>>164883
I'm a Florida Man too. I don't go that often though. Too much driving, and I'm not fond of crowds.
>>164888
He doesn't need a chart to tell you if it was day or night.
What are you trying to argue here?
Anonymous
No.164907
>>164906
I was one of those "I wanna be an astronaut" kids so when the old man had enough gas to take me up I went, just like Disney
I was one of those "I wanna be an astronaut" kids so when the old man had enough gas to take me up I went, just like Disney
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1000 year old Flat Earth map.
>>165088
>shard earth image at the beginning
Now you're talking. Oh wait, nevermind. Nice claims, be even mocer if there was anything to vet, like someone alive in this century, or anything more than unverifiable claims
>shard earth image at the beginning
Now you're talking. Oh wait, nevermind. Nice claims, be even mocer if there was anything to vet, like someone alive in this century, or anything more than unverifiable claims
Anonymous
No.165093
>>165092
>guys on a boat
Incorrect. It is guys on the shore pointing at the distance. According to the paid "honorable and trustworthy scientists", the curvature would make the laser beam impossible to see. But because of the laser can be seen, their lies are busted.
>guys on a boat
Incorrect. It is guys on the shore pointing at the distance. According to the paid "honorable and trustworthy scientists", the curvature would make the laser beam impossible to see. But because of the laser can be seen, their lies are busted.
Speaking of lasers, remember the time they spent $20k to buy a laser gyroscope to prove there was no actual planetary rotation, and accidentally proved there was rotation? Cuz, ya know, its not flat?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.triplem.com.au/story/flat-earthers-spend-20-000-trying-to-prove-earth-is-flat-accidentally-prove-it-s-round-129953
"What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift," Knodel explains. "A 15-degree per hour drift.
"Now, obviously we were taken aback by that - 'Wow, that's kind of a problem.'
"We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for easy to disprove it was actually registering the motion of the Earth."
You know what they say: If your experiment proves you wrong, just disregard the results!
"We don't want to blow this, you know?" Knodel then says to another Flat Earther. "When you've got $20,000 in this freaking gyro.
"If we dumped what we found right now, it would be bad? It would be bad.
"What I just told you was confidential."
Thanks Bob
[Read more] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.triplem.com.au/story/flat-earthers-spend-20-000-trying-to-prove-earth-is-flat-accidentally-prove-it-s-round-129953
"What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift," Knodel explains. "A 15-degree per hour drift.
"Now, obviously we were taken aback by that - 'Wow, that's kind of a problem.'
"We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for easy to disprove it was actually registering the motion of the Earth."
You know what they say: If your experiment proves you wrong, just disregard the results!
"We don't want to blow this, you know?" Knodel then says to another Flat Earther. "When you've got $20,000 in this freaking gyro.
"If we dumped what we found right now, it would be bad? It would be bad.
"What I just told you was confidential."
Thanks Bob
>>165094
>You know what they say: If your experiment proves you wrong, just disregard the results!
This is exactly what the "respectable scientists" do all the time. Their experiment fails and they ask for more money to reach the result wanted by the establishment, and if not experiment can match the answer they want, they pull deliriant theories from their asses and promote them as truth. It is fucking preposterous.
>You know what they say: If your experiment proves you wrong, just disregard the results!
This is exactly what the "respectable scientists" do all the time. Their experiment fails and they ask for more money to reach the result wanted by the establishment, and if not experiment can match the answer they want, they pull deliriant theories from their asses and promote them as truth. It is fucking preposterous.
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>>165096
Oh, noticed this:
No wonder you lot like to use that calculator to 'debunk' the curve; it's wrong
Oh, noticed this:
No wonder you lot like to use that calculator to 'debunk' the curve; it's wrong
>>165098
No idea what you're going for, the earth is NOT a sphere, plain and simple
>hurrr, cuz its flat
Its an oblate sphereoid. The curvature is different depending on where you ARE on the planet. Theres no simplified calculation that can give you accurate results that do not account for first calculating the exact curvature a specific area will show.
>it wouldnt be that significant tho!
Wont know until the correct calculations are done then. Something you fags stll need to work on, correct calculations. But that would get in the way wouldnt it?
See, when a person is convicted to an idea, they tend to strawman the opposition's argument in their haste to try and debunk it. This manifests as a lack of due diligence when attempting to present the opposition's position. Such as using a simplified version of the model and then debunking that simplified (read: inaccurate) model.
>but but, thats what you're doing
No, Im mot trying to debunk your/their model. Im pointing to the untenable elements of the equation, which would give rise to the skewed results one is seeing.
If you can find evidence that dozens of holes CAN'T be poked in, Ill be the first to admit it.
Still waiting tho
[Read more] No idea what you're going for, the earth is NOT a sphere, plain and simple
>hurrr, cuz its flat
Its an oblate sphereoid. The curvature is different depending on where you ARE on the planet. Theres no simplified calculation that can give you accurate results that do not account for first calculating the exact curvature a specific area will show.
>it wouldnt be that significant tho!
Wont know until the correct calculations are done then. Something you fags stll need to work on, correct calculations. But that would get in the way wouldnt it?
See, when a person is convicted to an idea, they tend to strawman the opposition's argument in their haste to try and debunk it. This manifests as a lack of due diligence when attempting to present the opposition's position. Such as using a simplified version of the model and then debunking that simplified (read: inaccurate) model.
>but but, thats what you're doing
No, Im mot trying to debunk your/their model. Im pointing to the untenable elements of the equation, which would give rise to the skewed results one is seeing.
If you can find evidence that dozens of holes CAN'T be poked in, Ill be the first to admit it.
Still waiting tho
As you can see indicated in the previous citation and this one from their sourcepage, no allowance was made for the sphereoid natureof the planet, they are calculating it as though the planet is a theoretical (read: perfect) sphere.
Thats the problem.
Thats the problem.
>>165100
>Thats the problem.
None when the equation is translated to real life measurements. This bread has plenty of info and REPRODUCIBLE experiments (as the Scientific Method demands) to make your shilling improper as best, dishonest at worst.
>Thats the problem.
None when the equation is translated to real life measurements. This bread has plenty of info and REPRODUCIBLE experiments (as the Scientific Method demands) to make your shilling improper as best, dishonest at worst.
>>165101
You see that R figure on the image? That stands for RADIUS. with a SPHEREOID, the radius is NEVER EQUAL. Therefore, any equation that tries to use them AS equal, is FLAWED. Moving on
>>165102
Because people who can conduct proper experiments and equations have been doing so for millennia. Moron
You see that R figure on the image? That stands for RADIUS. with a SPHEREOID, the radius is NEVER EQUAL. Therefore, any equation that tries to use them AS equal, is FLAWED. Moving on
>>165102
Because people who can conduct proper experiments and equations have been doing so for millennia. Moron
Anonymous
No.165104
Correction: if you're willing to crunch the numbers and illustrate how the variance is/would-be negligable, that would be a credible counterpoint. Its plausible, given the localized environment of the experiment.
Having said, the radius from the earth's core to the equator is longest, and the radius from the north pole to the core is the shortest.
Having said, the radius from the earth's core to the equator is longest, and the radius from the north pole to the core is the shortest.
Anonymous
No.165105
>>165103
I think Eratosthenes was the first to do a real experiment proving that the Earth is round so I think technically only one millennium
People have been sailing on ships for millennia though, and people even before Eratosthenes saw how boats sink below the horizon instead of shrinking forever, but idk if that counts as an experiment
Also this
>During lunar eclipses, Aristotle observed that earth casts a curved shadow onto the surface of the moon
https://thecreationclub.com/the-shape-of-the-earth-aristotle-and-the-scientific-method/
>Aristotle was not the first person to argue that Earth is round – earlier arguments date back to the 6th century B.C. But Aristotle seems to be the first to offer observational evidence using the earth’s-shadow method.
According to this also only one millennium. Also apparently I was wrong about Eratosthenes since this is saying 6th century BC and Eratosthenes was like 1-2nd or something
IIRC, the flat-earth explanation for it is that it's a random undetected, unseeable, second moon or sister planet that causes the eclipse, and that one is round for some reason
[Read more] I think Eratosthenes was the first to do a real experiment proving that the Earth is round so I think technically only one millennium
People have been sailing on ships for millennia though, and people even before Eratosthenes saw how boats sink below the horizon instead of shrinking forever, but idk if that counts as an experiment
Also this
>During lunar eclipses, Aristotle observed that earth casts a curved shadow onto the surface of the moon
https://thecreationclub.com/the-shape-of-the-earth-aristotle-and-the-scientific-method/
>Aristotle was not the first person to argue that Earth is round – earlier arguments date back to the 6th century B.C. But Aristotle seems to be the first to offer observational evidence using the earth’s-shadow method.
According to this also only one millennium. Also apparently I was wrong about Eratosthenes since this is saying 6th century BC and Eratosthenes was like 1-2nd or something
IIRC, the flat-earth explanation for it is that it's a random undetected, unseeable, second moon or sister planet that causes the eclipse, and that one is round for some reason
Anonymous
No.165115
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>>165112
This is pure nonsense. Light and images aren't beams. You should be able to see the moon and it's reflection from multiple angles.
This is pure nonsense. Light and images aren't beams. You should be able to see the moon and it's reflection from multiple angles.
>>165112
Kinda fun to make but I wish the meme didn't use such a dumb model since it's hard to get a nice trail reflection like in the image with these relative scales, though I also think I made my waves too high, and it's BSDF instead of a glass shader for actually reflective water since that would take way too long to render
Kinda fun to make but I wish the meme didn't use such a dumb model since it's hard to get a nice trail reflection like in the image with these relative scales, though I also think I made my waves too high, and it's BSDF instead of a glass shader for actually reflective water since that would take way too long to render
Anonymous
No.165124
>>165122
Youre not taking that meme seriously, are you? Like, the image is so ridiculously modified that its absurd. Especially funny, givrn how flat earthers are all up in arms about "NASA edits" n shit. Like seriously, has one never seen a r3flection of the moon? Its not prominent, in fact the reflection of the moon is proportionate to its size in the night's sky, and such memes are disingenuous on their face.
But its quite obvious when it happens.
Youre not taking that meme seriously, are you? Like, the image is so ridiculously modified that its absurd. Especially funny, givrn how flat earthers are all up in arms about "NASA edits" n shit. Like seriously, has one never seen a r3flection of the moon? Its not prominent, in fact the reflection of the moon is proportionate to its size in the night's sky, and such memes are disingenuous on their face.
But its quite obvious when it happens.
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