This thread is meant to debunk the deranged idea that our realm is a planet floating in space.
If the so called established science can't be challenged, then it's not science, but religion.
/vx/ - Videogames and Paranormal
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>>157974
I have built solar system models for fun in Unity and OpenGL before (to the point at some point I realized I was replicating Orbiter, the simulator and decided to stop before I comitted to such a gargantuan project). But I love making simulations.
There is a flat Earth model simulation on Steam, but it's a joke.
I once saw an animation that portrayed the spiraling of the Sun and Moon over a flat Earth in a way that was realistic. I forgot what they're called, but there's these circular paper things that have rotating parts and map the trayectory of the Sun, the Moon and the stars over a whole year. That could be coded and expanded to make a flat Earth simulation.
However, in terms of optics, to account for the way we observe the atmosphere and whatnot, such a simulation would require insane (and possibly not yet fully known) things going on with difraction and distortion of light, atmospheric densities, etc.
A semi-realistic simulation. In contrast, the required mathematics and physics you need to know to begin implementing something like https://spaceengine.org/ are very basic in comparison. They complicate only as you ramp up realism and visual fidelity. And most important of all, what your simulation shows you matches perfectly with what you see when you look outside, from ground level, from a plane…, whatever.
>By clicking New Reply, I acknowledge the existence of the Israeli nuclear arsenal.
LOL. I had not noticed this until now.
I have built solar system models for fun in Unity and OpenGL before (to the point at some point I realized I was replicating Orbiter, the simulator and decided to stop before I comitted to such a gargantuan project). But I love making simulations.
There is a flat Earth model simulation on Steam, but it's a joke.
I once saw an animation that portrayed the spiraling of the Sun and Moon over a flat Earth in a way that was realistic. I forgot what they're called, but there's these circular paper things that have rotating parts and map the trayectory of the Sun, the Moon and the stars over a whole year. That could be coded and expanded to make a flat Earth simulation.
However, in terms of optics, to account for the way we observe the atmosphere and whatnot, such a simulation would require insane (and possibly not yet fully known) things going on with difraction and distortion of light, atmospheric densities, etc.
A semi-realistic simulation. In contrast, the required mathematics and physics you need to know to begin implementing something like https://spaceengine.org/ are very basic in comparison. They complicate only as you ramp up realism and visual fidelity. And most important of all, what your simulation shows you matches perfectly with what you see when you look outside, from ground level, from a plane…, whatever.
>By clicking New Reply, I acknowledge the existence of the Israeli nuclear arsenal.
LOL. I had not noticed this until now.
>>157980
Wouldn't such a shard collapse into a spheroid fairly quickly (in geological scale) due to its own gravity?
Wouldn't such a shard collapse into a spheroid fairly quickly (in geological scale) due to its own gravity?
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>>158021
Sorry for the triple post, but I just remembered. It's a planisphere. I once saw one like pic related with removable layers that showed the movement of the Sun and the Moon over the four seasons, and it accounted for things like eclipses, even.
But see, that's the thing. At its best, the flat Earth model is just a projection of observations made from a sphere into a circle.
And I say flat Earth is a projection from a sphere and not the inverse because so far flat Earth fails to account for a few key observations such as 24 h sunlight in Antartica, Moon image reversals, precession of the equinoxes or parallax in stars over extended periods of time without resorting to all-knowing all-powerful gaslighting conspirators or extremely complex physics and math gymnastics that involve new problems and contradictions with the existing model.
Sorry for the triple post, but I just remembered. It's a planisphere. I once saw one like pic related with removable layers that showed the movement of the Sun and the Moon over the four seasons, and it accounted for things like eclipses, even.
But see, that's the thing. At its best, the flat Earth model is just a projection of observations made from a sphere into a circle.
And I say flat Earth is a projection from a sphere and not the inverse because so far flat Earth fails to account for a few key observations such as 24 h sunlight in Antartica, Moon image reversals, precession of the equinoxes or parallax in stars over extended periods of time without resorting to all-knowing all-powerful gaslighting conspirators or extremely complex physics and math gymnastics that involve new problems and contradictions with the existing model.
>>158023
>key observations such as 24 h sunlight in Antartica
For the time being it is only a myth as no independent witness can corroborate it.
>key observations such as 24 h sunlight in Antartica
For the time being it is only a myth as no independent witness can corroborate it.
>>158022
I guess? I imagine it would depend on how much was left and what that shape is, but I could also see the presence of the moon acting like a form of gravity field counter-balance to offset? Pure speculation
I guess? I imagine it would depend on how much was left and what that shape is, but I could also see the presence of the moon acting like a form of gravity field counter-balance to offset? Pure speculation
>>158025
>For the time being it is only a myth as no independent witness can corroborate it.
>independent
See, the problem is that most flat earthers only accept their own experience there as "independent". They would sooner contemplate the idea of a family member who claimed such experience being a paid shill than considering they might be wrong.
Anyway, I found this video, which I think contains enough information to be implementable as an interactive 3D simulation. I'm getting really hard just thinking about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYv7gpFc_7o
>For the time being it is only a myth as no independent witness can corroborate it.
>independent
See, the problem is that most flat earthers only accept their own experience there as "independent". They would sooner contemplate the idea of a family member who claimed such experience being a paid shill than considering they might be wrong.
Anyway, I found this video, which I think contains enough information to be implementable as an interactive 3D simulation. I'm getting really hard just thinking about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYv7gpFc_7o
>>158028
>See, the problem is that most flat earthers only accept their own experience there as "independent".
If the witness is on a masonic payroll and bounded by legal coercion, then it is not independent.
>See, the problem is that most flat earthers only accept their own experience there as "independent".
If the witness is on a masonic payroll and bounded by legal coercion, then it is not independent.
>>158029
And the criteria by which you know whether they are on a masonic payroll is whether they are against flat Earth.
And the criteria by which you know whether they are on a masonic payroll is whether they are against flat Earth.
Anonymous
No.158031
>>158030
>And the criteria...
For that you need to lurk moar. Redpilling is a process that cannot be hurried.
>And the criteria...
For that you need to lurk moar. Redpilling is a process that cannot be hurried.
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I've hit my first stumbling block trying to implement a flat Earth simulation.
In order for the terminator to be a straight line across all the meridians, the Sun light source would need to be placed at an infinite distance. Otherwise it's always curved. You can see it in the second gif in the OP. The surface on which that sun is shining has some sort of distortion. It's not flat (ironically).
Can someone point me to the measurements and distances proposed by the flat Earth theory? It would make implementing this much easier. Thanks.
In order for the terminator to be a straight line across all the meridians, the Sun light source would need to be placed at an infinite distance. Otherwise it's always curved. You can see it in the second gif in the OP. The surface on which that sun is shining has some sort of distortion. It's not flat (ironically).
Can someone point me to the measurements and distances proposed by the flat Earth theory? It would make implementing this much easier. Thanks.
>>158033
Can you point me to measurements and distances so I can implement a 3D model of the flat Earth correctly modeled please?
Can you point me to measurements and distances so I can implement a 3D model of the flat Earth correctly modeled please?
Anonymous
No.158035
It would be great if any glober could explain the following, it is damning at least for the scientists and academics on a payroll since this detail in the heliocentric model cannot escape their attention and only willing deception can explain their silence:
>Daylight Debunks the Globe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlNhPXCH5cA
Mirror:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Daylight-Debunks-the-Globe:0
>Daylight Debunks the Globe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlNhPXCH5cA
Mirror:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Daylight-Debunks-the-Globe:0
>>158036
You cant grasp how the slight extention of progress (4 minutes a day) translates to a 90 degree correction over a 3 month period?
Lets get real simple. 4 min/day x 365 days/year = 1460 accrued minutes per year. Mathematically, that means 24.33 hours per year.
But wait now, we're going quarterly. Okay, 6 hours per quarter.
Hmmm, 6 hours per 3 month period. 6 hours is - wait for it- the amount of time it takes to rotate 90 devrees.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Try again.
You cant grasp how the slight extention of progress (4 minutes a day) translates to a 90 degree correction over a 3 month period?
Lets get real simple. 4 min/day x 365 days/year = 1460 accrued minutes per year. Mathematically, that means 24.33 hours per year.
But wait now, we're going quarterly. Okay, 6 hours per quarter.
Hmmm, 6 hours per 3 month period. 6 hours is - wait for it- the amount of time it takes to rotate 90 devrees.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Try again.
Anonymous
No.158038
I found a channel with a model that seems descriptive enough to implement as a 3D simulation. However, the mathematical hoops involved are absolutely insane. This is much more complicated than creating a 3D globular planetarium. And the guy has the gall to say that the globe is based on "mathematical impossibilities". What the actual fuck man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LREtlSGsCV0
>>158036
See >>158037
You can find many ways this is explained in the video comments:
>When the earth spins on its axis, it points back in the same direction every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4.09 seconds. It then takes another 3 minutes and 55.51 seconds to point back at the sun. Humans chose 24 hours to be from noon to noon based on the sun, not based on the position of the stars.
>3:47 "how come no one else in the world before us ever discovered that the 24 hour day is incorrect by 4 minutes?"
>this isn't true, i can for certainty that the Romans knew about this as early and before Julius Caesar.
>the consuls used to have adjust Rome's calendar regularly.
>Julius Caesar wanted the process to no longer require Consul to perform, so he automated the process by simply adding the concept of the leap to the calendars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LREtlSGsCV0
>>158036
See >>158037
You can find many ways this is explained in the video comments:
>When the earth spins on its axis, it points back in the same direction every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4.09 seconds. It then takes another 3 minutes and 55.51 seconds to point back at the sun. Humans chose 24 hours to be from noon to noon based on the sun, not based on the position of the stars.
>3:47 "how come no one else in the world before us ever discovered that the 24 hour day is incorrect by 4 minutes?"
>this isn't true, i can for certainty that the Romans knew about this as early and before Julius Caesar.
>the consuls used to have adjust Rome's calendar regularly.
>Julius Caesar wanted the process to no longer require Consul to perform, so he automated the process by simply adding the concept of the leap to the calendars
>>158028
Another problem with flat earthers - specifically the more delusional variety - is that there is often a lived sense of helplessness, that the thought "Ive been lied to" is very gratifying, as it allows them to 'break free' of their 'intellectual bondage'. The problem then becomes that their theory is juvenile in the least. As Ive ind8cated, I concur with OP that the planet is not a sphere, or if it is its a highly modified one. However, one model co forms with natural laws and ohenomenon, whereas the other attempts to throw out things that are so observably endemic that one wonders. This creates a double trap. They cant go back to the pure globe model, and theyre supporting a model that is quite unsupportable.
Then they have to realize that they emancipated themselves from one intellectual prison and into another one, which many people simply are either unable or unwilling to do.
Another problem with flat earthers - specifically the more delusional variety - is that there is often a lived sense of helplessness, that the thought "Ive been lied to" is very gratifying, as it allows them to 'break free' of their 'intellectual bondage'. The problem then becomes that their theory is juvenile in the least. As Ive ind8cated, I concur with OP that the planet is not a sphere, or if it is its a highly modified one. However, one model co forms with natural laws and ohenomenon, whereas the other attempts to throw out things that are so observably endemic that one wonders. This creates a double trap. They cant go back to the pure globe model, and theyre supporting a model that is quite unsupportable.
Then they have to realize that they emancipated themselves from one intellectual prison and into another one, which many people simply are either unable or unwilling to do.
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>>158039
>Then they have to realize that they emancipated themselves from one intellectual prison and into another one, which many people simply are either unable or unwilling to do.
That is an interesting observation. Not long ago I discussed with a friend how most people who "believe the Earth is round" do so because it is the consensus. They are, in fact, no different than most flat Earthers. They chose a consensus, usually by emotional attachment, and defend it as Truth when in reality it is Belief.
I think this crisis of truth and trust we are living in has the potential to emancipate a lot of us intellectually. To realize that as long as they are applicable to any part of empirical experience, models don't need to be exclusive. They illuminate part of Truth. And no model illuminates all of it anyway.
The problem lies in pretending any one model or map of reality is Truth, and is absolute. The Aquarian age is holocentric. That's why we're having crisis in which no dogma seems to be able to dominate, and it will be even more so in the decades to come. Only those able to transcend cognitive dissonance, duality and polarization will survive intellectually (and possibly spiritually). The rest will be forever NPCs stuck in the hells they themselves create.
>Then they have to realize that they emancipated themselves from one intellectual prison and into another one, which many people simply are either unable or unwilling to do.
That is an interesting observation. Not long ago I discussed with a friend how most people who "believe the Earth is round" do so because it is the consensus. They are, in fact, no different than most flat Earthers. They chose a consensus, usually by emotional attachment, and defend it as Truth when in reality it is Belief.
I think this crisis of truth and trust we are living in has the potential to emancipate a lot of us intellectually. To realize that as long as they are applicable to any part of empirical experience, models don't need to be exclusive. They illuminate part of Truth. And no model illuminates all of it anyway.
The problem lies in pretending any one model or map of reality is Truth, and is absolute. The Aquarian age is holocentric. That's why we're having crisis in which no dogma seems to be able to dominate, and it will be even more so in the decades to come. Only those able to transcend cognitive dissonance, duality and polarization will survive intellectually (and possibly spiritually). The rest will be forever NPCs stuck in the hells they themselves create.
>>158040
It might just be semantics, but there appears to be an element of intellectual dishonesty to it. I freely admit I hve no first-hand evidence that the planet is any: sphere, shard, flat, pony. The confidence I have in the models I will argue (sphere/shard) is derived from their interconnectivity. Math constants lead to math constants, etc. Flat Earthers believe (as in conviction) and proclaim "This is debunked" when its not, "This is true" when the evidence doesnt aupport, and impugn the motives of anyone who argues against. And the sheer arrogance is baffling.
It might just be semantics, but there appears to be an element of intellectual dishonesty to it. I freely admit I hve no first-hand evidence that the planet is any: sphere, shard, flat, pony. The confidence I have in the models I will argue (sphere/shard) is derived from their interconnectivity. Math constants lead to math constants, etc. Flat Earthers believe (as in conviction) and proclaim "This is debunked" when its not, "This is true" when the evidence doesnt aupport, and impugn the motives of anyone who argues against. And the sheer arrogance is baffling.
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>>158041
>Flat Earthers believe (as in conviction) and proclaim "This is debunked" when its not,
Let's go back to the very basics, if the curvature is not found, then the whole heliocentric theory falls in a spectacular fashion.
You can spin it any way you like, BUT, if there is no curve, then there are not any globe and space.
>Flat Earthers believe (as in conviction) and proclaim "This is debunked" when its not,
Let's go back to the very basics, if the curvature is not found, then the whole heliocentric theory falls in a spectacular fashion.
You can spin it any way you like, BUT, if there is no curve, then there are not any globe and space.
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Refute THIS (protip: you can't)
>curvature
https://youtu.be/EQa4u_Xgy8Q
Start at about 41:00 to 45:00
See what I did there? I actually know what counts as evidence, and rather than demand you pour through shit, I focused on the tangible part. Thats what you do in an argument, instead of petulent demands and proclamations
https://youtu.be/EQa4u_Xgy8Q
Start at about 41:00 to 45:00
See what I did there? I actually know what counts as evidence, and rather than demand you pour through shit, I focused on the tangible part. Thats what you do in an argument, instead of petulent demands and proclamations
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And for more of the meta of Flat Earth
https://youtu.be/umo6pMCkcXs
>pics semi related, but more to get that shit off the homepage
https://youtu.be/umo6pMCkcXs
>pics semi related, but more to get that shit off the homepage
>>158055
>SciManDan
That NASA shill is famous, there are hundreds of videos from him and about him debunking and rebunking every topic. Worth to watch for entertainment purposes.
>>158056
I watched it a bit and is all about character assassination (optics) going so far as to call the opposition anti-semite. It is not serious and lacks of scientific arguments when the video creator has to resort to buzzing words.
>SciManDan
That NASA shill is famous, there are hundreds of videos from him and about him debunking and rebunking every topic. Worth to watch for entertainment purposes.
>>158056
I watched it a bit and is all about character assassination (optics) going so far as to call the opposition anti-semite. It is not serious and lacks of scientific arguments when the video creator has to resort to buzzing words.
Anonymous
No.158058
>>158057
So, you didnt watch the 4 minutes I specify,where you can see an ocean tanker halfway down the horizon?
So, you didnt watch the 4 minutes I specify,where you can see an ocean tanker halfway down the horizon?
>>158057
>that guy is a shill
Literal strawman ad hominem. Two for one. Bravo. Also, you never claim he's wrong, probably because he understands evidence and presents it
>that guy is a shill
Literal strawman ad hominem. Two for one. Bravo. Also, you never claim he's wrong, probably because he understands evidence and presents it
>>158059
>Also, you never claim he's wrong, probably because he understands evidence and presents it
There is something very interesting about SciManDan, for every video he releases debunking X, 2 or 3 counter-videos pop up to refute his claims. But it gets still more interesting when he launches a second one to "crash" the video responses and of course, more videos responding him show up. It never ends.
I stop watching them long ago because you will never know who really won the argument.
>Also, you never claim he's wrong, probably because he understands evidence and presents it
There is something very interesting about SciManDan, for every video he releases debunking X, 2 or 3 counter-videos pop up to refute his claims. But it gets still more interesting when he launches a second one to "crash" the video responses and of course, more videos responding him show up. It never ends.
I stop watching them long ago because you will never know who really won the argument.
>>158060
Thats a lovely exposition that in no way addressed the barges halfway down the horizon. Focus, nigger.
Thats a lovely exposition that in no way addressed the barges halfway down the horizon. Focus, nigger.
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Since I KNOW youre dumb and stupid, heres the stills
Anonymous
No.158064
No, thats not redundant. Dumb historically referred to a person's intellectual capacity, while stupid refers to ignorance
>>158061
We’ve managed so far to keep this thread to degenerate into name calling. That’s quite a feat for a flat Earth thread.
For all we know, the whole thing could be engineered to pit the goys against each other. Don’t fall for it. We are civilized spiritual beings.
We’ve managed so far to keep this thread to degenerate into name calling. That’s quite a feat for a flat Earth thread.
For all we know, the whole thing could be engineered to pit the goys against each other. Don’t fall for it. We are civilized spiritual beings.
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>>158041
I have come across a very relevant reflection on this issue of knowing while reading The Ahrimanic Deception by Rudolf Steiner. This is not a coincidence.
I have come across a very relevant reflection on this issue of knowing while reading The Ahrimanic Deception by Rudolf Steiner. This is not a coincidence.
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>7 Rockets Hitting The Dome or Firmament
>Video compilation of several rockets reaching the firmament above the Earth. We live in a sealed environment, we have never been to space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmDj1MJyaY
>Video compilation of several rockets reaching the firmament above the Earth. We live in a sealed environment, we have never been to space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmDj1MJyaY
Anonymous
No.158099
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LOL the comment section is GOLD! Some of the finest schadenfreude Ive ever experienced!
Yet, interspersed are some comments worth sharing.
Yet, interspersed are some comments worth sharing.
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>>158100
>Some of the finest schadenfreude Ive ever experienced!
I know that feeling, it is glorious to see how fanatic and illogical globers are.
>Some of the finest schadenfreude Ive ever experienced!
I know that feeling, it is glorious to see how fanatic and illogical globers are.
More grist for the mill
https://youtu.be/rjYc8h3xt-E
>Inside Flat Earth: An Exposè by an Ex-Flat Earther
https://youtu.be/rjYc8h3xt-E
>Inside Flat Earth: An Exposè by an Ex-Flat Earther
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