This thread is meant to debunk the deranged idea that our realm is a planet floating in space.
If the so called established science can't be challenged, then it's not science, but religion.
High altitude footage, 22 miles above earth; and a reminder of the math coming from the heliocentric model.
>>148613>floating in spaceWould you be so kind as to offer a counter proposal?
Because this board is /vx/, the opening posts about Flat Earth should be addressed in proper fashion and I found the right /x/ stuff for the occasion.
Even if you reject the Flat Earth idea, just follow the below narrative as a /x/ fascinating mystery story, You'll learn a lot of incredible and undeniable facts with huge entertainment value. You won't be disappointed, guaranteed.
If you are one of those impatient anons, no problem, go ahead and jump to the last episode for the culmination, but the narrative won't taste the same, either way, it is not for narrow minds.
>The Lost History of Flat Earth - by Ewaranon (2020)Odysee links in HD.
>Episode 1 - "Buried in Plain Sight"https://odysee.com/@flatearth:9/11:9Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Q5SoQNkVIGgE/>Episode 2 - "A Lens Into the Past"https://odysee.com/@flatearth:9/LHFE-12:fMirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jiSCnFRC93wm/>Episode 3 - "Inheritors of Mud & Magnificence"https://odysee.com/@flatearth:9/LHFE-13:2Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XaxSAOknYfgq/>Episode 4 - "Back to the Future"https://odysee.com/@flatearth:9/LHFE-14:7Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cHJm9mbgCTKq/>Episode 5 - "The Whispering of the Water"https://odysee.com/@flatearth:9/LHFE-15:2Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/xixTVlEXDc7E/>Episode 6 - "Offerus and the Alchemist"https://odysee.com/@flatearth:9/LHFE-16:3Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3TX1hZe7rcpJ/>Episode 7 - The Known Worldhttps://odysee.com/@flatearth:9/LHFE-1-7:5Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mRQ9P6Ij5Uqs/
>>148613How can the earth be Flat if its a sphere and hollow. Check mate retards
>>148626Try to check mate this genius.
>>148613I live by the ocean. I look out the window and I see ships sink below the horizon bottom first. Sperg. This is shit people knew 2300 years ago. Aristotle talked about it. Eratosthenes not only physically proved it was round but also measured it accurately using angles and shadows (something you can still do today). Aristotle also talked about how gravity would necessarily collapse things into a ball, and yes, you can measure gravity yourself. My friend has done it.
https://physicsteacher.in/2020/12/24/how-to-measure-universal-gravitational-constant-measurement-of-g/>>148614It's called momentum and a vacuum. When you fly on an airplane do you feel movement when not accelerating? Then remove the air so there's no turbulence either and that's what we have. And with the video, it's not that high up. The atmosphere is a lot thinner than the earth is big, and any sphere looked at from a shallow angle and without seeing depth looks like a disk.
>>148828>gravityGravitation is a concept invented to explain the heliocentric model, it was widely theorized with math by Newton and the Church of England begun to teach it around the world.
In the Terra centric model, gravity doesn't exist, above and below are the parameters together with density.
Book:
>200 Proofs Earth Is Not A Spinning Ball! - by Eric Dubay - (2017)
>>148884Also that book/presentation was made in video:
>200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball (HD Remastered)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEaHjPF47_E
I guess this might sound wierd but I don't really care either way.
I'm a bit curious, though. If the earth is flat, are there pictures of the edge?
>>148917>If the earth is flat, are there pictures of the edge?No, it is forbidden by the UN to even approach Antarctica. Only the military of the countries signatory of the Antarctic Treaty are allowed there.
>>148828>It's called momentum and a vacuum. When you fly on an airplane do you feel movement when not accelerating?Check this out:
>Uniform Circular Motion is Constant Acceleration>Consult any mainstream science publication or ask any science teacher "why can't we feel the Earth spinning?" and they will unanimously reply that it is because the globe spins at a perfect constant speed, and we can only feel acceleration or deceleration. As CoolCosmos writes: "Earth moves very fast. It spins at a speed of about 1,000 miles per hour and orbits around the Sun at a speed of about 67,000 miles per hour. We do not feel any of this motion because these speeds are constant. You can only feel motion if your speed changes. For example, if you are in a car which is moving at a constant speed on a smooth surface, you will not feel much motion. However, when the car accelerates or when the brakes are applied, you do feel motion." The glaring problem with this claim rarely ever addressed is that the globe and everything on it, if it existed, would be undergoing constant acceleration, because uniform circular motion IS constant acceleration.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAI3RNlMiFE
>>148877>In the Terra centric model, gravity doesn't existFirst, no, geocentric models still had gravity, but second that would just make it retarded.
>>148938>would be undergoing constant acceleration, because uniform circular motion IS constant accelerationNo, it isn't. It's not speeding up or slowing down, spin doesn't mean acceleration.
>>148976>geocentric models still had gravityGravity = gravitation, and no, in the geocentric model what matters is "density", gravity is an invention to explain forces among fictional celestial bodies.
>>148976>spin doesn't mean accelerationOkay, get inside a washer machine and experience the centrifuge force, then come back and tell me spin doesn't mean constant acceleration.
>>148951>>148952That's not how spheres work. Any sphere looked at without depth looks like a flat disk from any angle. So is there a way to see the depth, aka the curve that's heading away from you? Well, yeah. Ships disappear from the bottom up instead of shrinking indefinitely.
>>148977>gravity is an invention to explain forces among fictional celestial bodiesHistorically people believed in gravity way way before heliocentrism. They're not really related. It was viewed more like objects moving towards "their natural state", but a force that pulled them down depending on their mass still.
>in the geocentric model what matters is "density"Ok. Run a simulation in your head for me. You have a tank of water, in it is a beach ball. The beach ball is less dense than the water. Then what? What happens? You need a force acting on the mass to pull the water underneath so the beach ball is pushed up. What force is it that pulls on matter?
>Okay, get inside a washer machine and experience the centrifuge force, then come back and tell me spin doesn't mean constant acceleration.1) That's not acceleration. Acceleration means speeding up, but every part keeps moving at the same speed. A centrifugal force isn't acceleration.
2) Do you get thrown off a merry-go-round when standing on it? What about one that only rotates once every 24h the size of a planet? Tangential speed doesn't mean a force, and we actually spin pretty slowly very far from the centre of the spin, meaning there's next to no force put on us.
>>148978>and we actually spin pretty slowly very far from the centre of the spin, meaning there's next to no force put on us.Speed = 0 at the poles.
>>148978>1) That's not acceleration. Acceleration means speeding up, but every part keeps moving at the same speed. A centrifugal force isn't acceleration.It is rotational acceleration.
Why?
Because the forces acted on the object accelerate and deaccelerate (that means accelerating in the opposite direction).
I want you to have a circle, now have a stick or pencil or some shit.
Make the pencil go around the circle so it's perpendicular to the center.
That's the direction of the force. Changes in direction (angles and degrees) need to be acted upon.
So yes it is accelerating.
It can maintain rotational acceleration or change in rotational acceleration.
>Thread is pics related.Acting dumb for shits and giggles is fun until you're surrounded by bottomless pits and professional idiots.
Keep in mind glowniggers and 'tarded urinary brainpan where you are. I'd recommend you'd stop while you're still ahead.
>>148980To clarify the perpendicular is the direction of acceleration.
>Make the pencil go around the circle so it's perpendicular to the center.>The direct connection to the edge of the imaginary circle is the direction of the force so that it moves around the perimeter of that circle . Changes in direction.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ9AH2S8B6Y
>>148922GUARDIANS OF THE EDGE. FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!
>>148980>Keep in mind glowniggers and 'tarded urinary brainpan where you are. I'd recommend you'd stop while you're still ahead.Chillax anon.
There are plenty of inconsistencies about the tall tale that we live on a ball.
It is so simple as to take a look and judge for yourself.
The History of Flat Earth
>From the beginning of recorded history, and for thousands upon thousands of years, cultures across the entire world all believed the Earth was flat. Their various cosmologies and cosmogonies differed in slight ways but their overall geographies and astronomies were incredibly consistent and in fact virtually identical. The Earth was a stationary plane void of any motion or curvature, flat across its entire expanse except of course for hills, mountains and valleys. The North Pole was the magnetic mono-pole center-point of the flat Earth with Polaris, the North Pole star situated directly above. Polaris was the only motionless star in the heavens with all the other constellations revolving perfect circles over the Earth every night. The stars were divided into two categories known as the fixed stars and the wandering stars. The fixed stars were so-called because they were observed then as we can observe today to stay fixed in their constellation patterns night after night, year after year, century after century, never changing their relative positions. The wandering stars, what are today referred to as “planets,” were so-called because they were observed then as we can observe today to wander the heavens taking their own unique spirograph-like patterns making both forward and retrograde motions over and around the Earth during their cycles.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQCXT2pkansMirror:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/TheHistoryofFlatEarth:3
>Retired astronaut Miroslaw Hermaszewski says earth is flat.
>Mirosław Hermaszewski is a retired Polish Air Force officer and cosmonaut. He became the first Polish national in space, when he flew aboard the Soviet Soyuz 30 spacecraft in 1978.
Be sarcasm or not, it gives something to wonder.
Actual flight routes from Sydney, Australia to Santiago, Chile.
Curious, isn't it?
Why would anybody want to cover up that the world is flat?
>inb4 Jews
Why though? To what end?
>>149018>Why would anybody want to cover up that the world is flat?One reason I've heard is that it moves us from God. A globe earth in a vast universe makes us insignificant in the grand scheme, removes the spiritual connection we had, and turns people into atheists. And people who don't believe in God and the importance of our existence are easier to dupe and turn away from God and good.
>>149019The idea of the earth as a speck in a vast universe doesn't move us away from god. It just shows that God's greatness it more than we could ever comprehend.
>>148999>>149018>>149019You do understand all intelligence agencies love being able to implant any idea or belief in anyone. Doesn't matter if it's true or false.
It's because they can. Not if they should, but could they do it.
So how does a flat Earth help anyone?
What benefits does it have that are exclusive to that in comparison to the standard Earth thinking?
Otherwise it's pointless trying to convince people about something utterly worthless.
>>148952From anywhere in the world according to them you'll always be able to see the ice wall. It's completely flat right? Ice is typically white. So if you send a laser beam to that it'll reflect back and everyone will see big shaking beams of light.
How about you buy a plane and go stream your journey to the ice wall. Then go off the little disk you think the Earth is.
>>149020I'm not sure how the full explanation goes as I'm just paraphrasing from what I loosely remember seeing.
>>149022Is this what you believe?
>>149023I assume you believe that you live on a spinning ball and your ancestors were monkeys.
>>149021>How about you buy a plane and go stream your journey to the ice wall.Well, the problem with that is that the UN is threatening with violence anyone wanting to explore the zone, as you realize the common peasants have not means to defend themselves against ships' artillery.
>>149021>Otherwise it's pointless trying to convince people about something utterly worthlessRedpilling is never pointless.
And the consequences of a Flat Earth are big. Imagine most of the so called scientists being ridiculed for their stupidity and dishonesty because they have chosen career and money over science and truth.
Imagine all governments pushing the lie being unmasked for their collusion about space programs, which brings into focus if most politicians and government career employees involved are anti-national agents executing orders from their gurus in the lodges.
Anon, fetching the freemasons to the foreground is casting light on the jewish hidden hand.
>>149029You do realize video of being shot at is a piece of proof for your cause right?
>>149037>Makes scientists salty>Proof that everything is a lieWell prove it, you have the plethora of models but you also need to do stuff with it that what people call normal do.
Unless you like tieing your shoelaces together before you even start.
>>149055>Well prove it,Have you even read this thread?
Have you ever read and understood something about physics? If you didn't, don't worry.
Just the very basic first step for you. If this realm' shape is a ball, trigonometry says that at the first mile the horizon should drop 8 inches, 32 inches at the second mile, and so on. Simple light reflection on the water denies that. Experiments with lasers on the water also deny any curvature. So, where the hell is the curve?
>>149071That's not my point.
You're making a fool of yourselves in such a way people will remember it when it matters most.
Ya'll dun fucked up. To such a degree that even jokers would cease. No the ones that watch the jokers would have an ax to grind.
Then there's ponies and actually escaping the hell ya'll found yourselves in. You could stay there in your mind maybe have to go on day by day till you could actually have an ounce of self agency.
You do know
they don't actually
need you right? I get that's what you've signed up for, but you could take backesies.
You know that if they wanted you to do such a mission they'll frame the aircraft as another post. Amongst these.
Are the side benefits that good?
Is it a future promise by people that are meticulous in cleaning up every loose end? That you'll trust them? By the time you'd put the counter action into motion to recieve your dues from them they'll recieve dues into you.
That's...
If you so desperately want your chains that'll snuff it before your promised prizes It'd argue against that.
Not stupidly mind you, just out of professionalism at the very least.
So that's why the actual big wigs don't take any of you seriously. To me? That'd hurt quite a bit. That you're running their iconocracy for them you'd stick to being the monkey. Their monkey.
Well that's illuminating but doesn't seem all that bright. Anyway sorry about the psy flag on the files, but you do need to at least hear this.
Dream on little dorgy dream a dream for squee. I'd break down the complicated multi message ciphers but that'll waste the point fo perfectly crafted individual messages.
Do they package such things for you? I suppose that counts but seems to me rather cold much like where restructuring and shaving the important proportions in a slavery that from that point ever more may probably be everevereverever.
The ocean sends his regards. Make of that as you will. Laying about just won't seperate it anymore.
I'm truly, not sorry, but a sort of empathic sympathy not necessarily mine. Protip, every four letters because it's wwww.
Yes like the band. Not that band the blander one that's obvious.
it's all up to you -song lyric
>>149105>deflectingIf you live on a ball, where is the curve?
The most basic question and still no answer.
>>149021>How about you buy a plane and go stream your journey to the ice wall. Then go off the little disk you think the Earth is.You are really upset anon.
>How about you buy a plane and go stream your journey to the ice wall.Actually there are a couple of tours in summer to Antarctica for around 8,000/10,000 per passenger, leaving from Argentina, if I'm not mistaken they visit a peninsula far to the north from the real antarctic ice shelf, but according to current "official" pictures and the descriptions of captain J. Cook, see first pic
>>148951 ; the edge is real.
>>149114Okay, theres an oceanic Ice wall in Antarctica. Captain Cook described it. Kudos. Its still a remarkable stretch to use that to justify a flat earth. Maybe Im coming into this late, and there are a few points ITT that make me 'hmmm', but 'not having an answer = flat earth' is not an argument. Where is the evidence?
>>149108>>149114There's a difference between knowing you're big and thinking you're big.
Seems to me you lack the mental abilities in creating to scale dimensions. I'm sorry for your loss.
>>149116>Seems to me you lack the mental abilities in creating to scale dimensions.It looks like you didn't do the research.
Optical experiments demonstrate over and over again that there's no curve.
Take in count that you don't need expensive equipment to debunk the curve (Nikon P900 and P1000), remember that on this hypothetical ball the horizon should fall 8 inches the first mile and 32 inches the second one.
So, it is now "Reproducible Experiments" (real science) versus the "Established Agreed Truth" (propaganda).
But let us see what the "authoritative" priests have to say about Flat Earth (fascinating establishment damage control):
>Buzzfeed's Fake Flat Earth Theory Debunked>In the following presentation head of the International Flat Earth Research Society responds and corrects several misconceptions and falsehoods in Buzzfeed Multiplier's video "The Flat Earth Theory Explained." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecnlz7SXDCkMirrors:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Buzzfeed's-Fake-Flat-Earth-Theory-Debunked:4https://www.bitchute.com/video/G3QjI1gtPpZQ/>NASAs Top Globe Proofs Debunked>In the following presentation the President of the International Flat Earth Research Society Eric Dubay debunks NASA's Assistant Director for Science Communication Michelle Thaller's top "proofs" that Earth is a spinning ball.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow2MoLQXJsQMirrors:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/NASA's-Top-Globe-Proofs-Debunked:ehttps://www.bitchute.com/video/zBj0xAEOCYDS/>Flat Earth Science: Not Wrong or Stupid>In the following presentation International Flat Earth Research Society president Eric Dubay debunks science communicator Sabine Hossenfelder's video "Flat Earth Science: Wrong but not Stupid.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rebktApD31IMirrors:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Flat-Earth-Science-Not-Wrong-or-Stupid:1https://www.bitchute.com/video/R7gDpjIvWJvW/>Theoretical Astronomy Debunked by Empirical Reality>In the following presentation astronomer Dr. Stuart Clark's video "An Astronomer Responds to Flat Earth Theory" is refuted and debunked by the president of the International Flat Earth Research Society.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXyot6Coe58Mirrors:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Theoretical-Astronomy-Debunked-by-Empirical-Reality:6https://www.bitchute.com/video/2dkN9u5I7jWY/> Neil Tyson's Flat Earth Star Talk Debunked>In the following presentation the President of the International Flat Earth Research Society Eric Dubay debunks astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson's top "proofs" that Earth is a spinning ball.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX_eBzCdBTkMirrors:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Neil-Tyson's-Flat-Earth-Star-Talk-Debunked:1https://www.bitchute.com/video/VaiSf0uJOMth/
>>149123>Take in count that you don't need expensive equipment to debunk the curve (Nikon P900 and P1000)It is an impressive camera/telescope
>INCREDIBLE ZOOM | Nikon P1000 | Ben Lomond | Scotlandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhQlwKX3LQA>Two Planets, a Star, and a Moon - Nikon P1000 Camerahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGvV_GcOkjs>Nikon P1000 - Maximum Zoom Range Test (93 KM / 57 Miles)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sx3rAdz2SA>Nikon P900 zoom test, "readable" distanceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRp13pRzzWQ
>>149123You can do the experiments correctly but still manage to fuck up on decoding the meaning.
Get one of those planetary telescopes, you know the ones that looks really far away the consumer commercial kind.
Then try to find another content. Heck you could find the ice wall and see right past it. 'Cause according to you if the Earth is flat you should be able to see that far.
All of it. Just turning around completely to see the whole world in under twenty seconds.
No risking it all, no leaving the house (unless you live in a ditch), nothing at all strenuous or strange.
All that you would have to do is record the thing. Wouldn't that be cool.
Unless you're telling me that's also impossible.
>>149125You are misinterpreting the experiment. I'm not sure if it is because of your lack of knowledge on physics or just trolling.
The point of zooming is not about how far is possible to see, but to demonstrate that there is not any curvature hiding ships or objects.
>>149126How far are you zooming?
You do realize that the earth only appears flat at ground level because of its sheer enormity, right?
Also, the curvature of the earth is apparent at long distances, like how ships appear to sink at the horizon as they dip past the subtle curvature of the earth.
>>149131>You do realize that the earth only appears flat at ground level because of its sheer enormity, right?Read the whole thread faggot, there are plenty of videos debunking the curve by bringing objects supposedly hidden behind the horizon in full view.
Also read about trigonometry, it's not difficult, math proves that the curve is a lie. But if it is too convoluted for you, then a CAD software like AutoCAD might do the trick for you in a graphical fashion.
>>149131>Also, the curvature of the earth is apparent at long distances, like how ships appear to sink at the horizon as they dip past the subtle curvature of the earth.It's debunked.
See clip
>>148988
>>149160By the way, as seen in that clip, the distance from the observer (camera) to the boat is at least 2 or 3 miles. Trigonometry says that the boat's hull should be hidden by the curvature from 32 to 72 inches, see pic for the values.
Obviously that is not happening and the claim of the Earth being a ball is busted. NASA and all paid shill scientists are lying.
>>149160You're just going to accept a video without proving it yourself. What are you a sheep?
>>149142I guess you are...
>>148613niggle me this flat earthers. why would the jews lie about the shape of the earth?
>>149170>>149172And what other reasons. You know there's more you want to say.
>>149131>Also, the curvature of the earth is apparent at long distances, like how ships appear to sink at the horizon as they dip past the subtle curvature of the earth.How about when you're on top of a mountain? If the Earth really is "flat", then you should be able to look out and see even taller mountains far beyond.
<Instead, you just get this.>>149170>Second picThat's another thing, how is all the water able to stay on "Earth" if it's flat? Also, aren't tectonic plates basically tearing apart the world? Wouldn't that mean that Earth would have been "destroyed" millions of years ago?
>>149174>how is all the water able to stay on "Earth" if it's flat?It appears to be contained by the Antarctic edge, But can't be confirmed because the UN and its associates will violently oppose any exploration.
>>149177>It appears to be contained by the Antarctic edgeThen, isn't the U.N. in the right for getting all their knickers in a knot over global warming?
>>149178>global warmingYou know that that is another psy-op. Right?
>>149203So, the multiple ice ages and warmer periods like during the dinosaurs are all psi-ops?
>>149208Global warming is a psy-op prepared from the 70s by the Club of Rome, another globalist club founded to shape international policy.
Check the Great Reset thread for further redpilling newfag
>>>/mlpol/286845 →
>>149219Then, how do they explain all the underwater cave paintings? Or the fossilized remains of giant floral and lizards?
>>149219>Club of romeAnd how do the jews fit in?
>>149223You are being dishonest. Glacial and warm periods extend for thousands of years and are not related the the globalist hoax. Warming is so real as the coronavirus hoax.
Lurk moar faggot:
>>>/mlpol/302668 →
>>149223/mlpol/ is always right, nigger.
>>149229>Glacial and warm periods extend for thousands of yearsThen how did the planet not lose all it's water thousands of years ago when the glaciers were melted?
>>149238I think you have a theory.
By all means, let us hear it.
>>149239Because the Earth is a sphere.
>>149238>>149240Not sure what are you talking about but if the subject is huge volumes of water, then I would like to point to the big flooding narrated by many ancient civilizations, even the Bible mention it.
>15 Nov 1892.
>From the Boston Library.
Notice the computational details on this patented navigational map, the patent is literally a mechanical computer for Worldwide Navigation.
File is 4773x6794 pixels, 31.4 MB.
Well technically the Earth is an irregular ovoid.
But you see the truth is the Earth is more akin to the life generating symbol in pic 2 the windmills of friendship.
>2014>Norwegian 'viking' won't pay Antarctica fine>A self-proclaimed viking who sailed a yacht from Auckland to Antarctica without permission has been fined but refuses to pay.>Norwegian authorities fined Jarle Andhoy 45,000 Norwegian kroner (NZ$8360) for violating environmental protection protocols in the Antarctic Treaty.>If he doesn't pay he will be given a 50-day suspended jail sentence.>Andhoy believed there was no obligation to report to sail on the open sea. He would not pay the fine, he saidhttp://www.stuff.co.nz/world/10291142/Norwegian-viking-won-t-pay-Antarctica-fine
>Chemtrails vs. Curvature>Scifidan has been feeling a little left out recently so here's a little video he can watch in his safe space....https://www.bitchute.com/video/72LVnhbytUHu/Mocking the sheeple.
>falling for the flat earth psy-op
>not realizing the earth is actually hollow
>>149247The earth is hollow to store the botched metaphor for abortion on a kid's show
You know, The Cluster.
>>149248I haven't a fucking clue what you mean or what show this is. But the earth is hollow, you just have to know where the entrances are.
>>149255Cubes can be hollow.
Checkmate retard
>>149259Try to debunk this.
>Dollar Vigilante
>NASA lies and the shape of Earth.
Why are they obsessed with FLAT EARTH?
>We are NOT the Flat Earth Society. The Flat Earth Society is Govern-Ment mind control.>We live in a world of lies pushed on us by the upper levels of the world controllers. It is easier to lie to someone than to convince them they have been lied to especially when they are unknowingly addicted to the fear. If the FOUNDATION of your world belief is that you are on a spinning water globe pear rocket flying through an infinite space vacuum, then you will not know WHO you are, WHERE you are and WHAT you truly are. You will be lost and feel insignificant not KNOWING that you are at the center of creation rather than on a speck of dust in an ever expanding universe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99fWjLYnT2Y
Flat Earth - The Ground Doesn't Move.
>A kike in space
Impressive footage from Amazon studios.
>>149567Yeah, OP explain this please.
>>149567>according to flat earthersThat's an obvious lie.
FYI, the map used by most military during World War 2 was very similar to
>>149243The modern maps are Mercator projections meant to match the round Earth lie.
>>149594The map you're referring to is a round earth map.
>>149596It contracts at the pole to represent the roundness of the earth.
What are you sourcing to imply that this map is a flat-earth model used for WWII?
>>149597Let get some things straight, until WW2 schools were teaching the Earth was flat, then the concept of a "planet" and the theory of gravitation was introduced the the mass population as facts. The hoax of space and spacial travel also was deployed to solidify that false belief.
And going back to the map of
>>149243 you might consider it as a official Flat Earth map because it was used as such.
>>149598>until WW2 schools were teaching the Earth was flat, then the concept of a "planet" and the theory of gravitation was introduced the the mass population as facts.What are you sourcing this from? Where did you hear this?
>>149598>The hoax of space and spacial travel also was deployed to solidify that false belief.What about satellites? You can see them in the sky if you're in an area with no light pollution.
>>149599>Where did you hear this?A woman born in 1920 America. I'll post her testimony as soon as find the clip.
>>149601I had a grandparent who was in WWII. He never mentioned anything like this.
>>149602>He never mentioned anything like this.Very possible because the concept of planets and space travel were narrowed to academia and science fiction authors like Julius Verne.
>>149603You're saying he was brainwashed?
>>149603>concept of planetsMars and Venus are visible from the surface of the Earth. To what capacity are you saying planets don't exist?
>>149604Not at all, I'm saying that common people at that time hadn't TV to make them believe baloney.
>>149607References to a round earth in science and literature date back long before TVs were invented.
When did this supposed conspiracy start, and how did they get the entire world on board? Wouldn't other countries, especially those at odds with one another, just point it out to embarrass their foes?
>>149606When you use a telescope planets are not balls, but a luminescent objects roaming the sky. They were called errand stars for a reason.
>>149608>References to a round earth in science and literature date back long before TVs were invented.I agree. I mentioned it at
>>149603
>>149609If you use a much more powerful telescope, they look like rocky spheres.
>>149611I'll post the clips later.
Planets according NASA's CGI, versus reality.
>>149612Round Earth pre-dates NASA by quite a bit.
When is the conspiracy supposed to have started?
>>149613>When is the conspiracy supposed to have started?When the Freemasons re-introduced heliocentrism at the time of Illuminism and the Renaissance.
Italian Galileo Galilei ring a bell?
>>149614I am aware of him, yes.
>>149601>A woman born in 1920 America. I'll post her testimony as soon as find the clip.I found the clip. Go to timestamp 2:22 for the lady's redpill; she was born in 1918.
>Ruth, 102 YEARS OLD. Pre interview clip>I was taught the earth is flat!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP4pZJ1SzvwMirror:
https://odysee.com/@DITRH:f/102-year-old-ruth-was-taught-the-earth:fAnother of her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K87w1B019s
>A Stranger's Guide to Flat Earth: 21 Questions and Answers Proving The Earth Is Flathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZkGY1Pa8_EMirrors:
https://odysee.com/21-Questions-and-Answers-Proving-The-Earth-Is-Flat:2https://www.bitchute.com/video/595frYc2yTug/ Content:
Question 01 - 00:15 - Where is the edge?
Question 02 - 04:02 - Where does the Sun go if the Earth is flat?
Question 03 - 05:30 - What's underneath the Flat Earth?
Question 04 - 07:06 - What about ships & boats disappearing over the horizon?
Question 05 - 08:19 - What about all the pictures of the Earth?
Question 06 - 11:01 - Why are all the other planets round?
Question 07 - 12:30 - What about satellites & GPS?
Question 08 - 14:00 - Is outer space even real?
Question 09 - 17:36 - How is circumnavigation possible on a Flat Earth?
Question 10 - 18:23 - How come the Moon is upside down in the southern hemisphere?
Question 11 - 19:14 - What about seasons?
Question 12 - 20:09 - What about gravity?
Question 13 - 22:02 - What about the Coriolis effect?
Question 14 - 23:17 - Why can't I see infinitely far?
Question 15 - 24:10 - Is the Flat Earth a religious thing?
Question 16 - 25:24 - Is The Flat Earth Society behind the resurgence of the Flat Earth?
Question 17 - 26:59 - Are all scientists, pilots & members of government in on it?
Question 18 - 28:21 - NASA isn't the only space program. Are all the others in on it too?
Question 19 - 32:29 - Who is responsible for this deception?
Question 20 - 34:27 - Why the lie?
Question 21 - 36:43 - What's it mean if the Earth is flat?
Bonus content - 39:17 - Dear NASA, why are you lying?
>>149622A couple of clips.
>>149614>Italian Galileo Galilei ring a bell?The guy who was imprisoned because he refused to allow his work to be proof-read and declared that anyone who questioned his ideas was an idiot (Even to the point of mocking the then-current pope in his thesis)?
>>149243You do realize how ridiculous that map looks when you actually analyze the voyages people committed in the past, right? For example, Captain Cook. He explored much of the Southern Hemisphere. Logically speaking, if the earth was flat, as that pictures describes, then he would have had to travel an insane amount of distance, spending innumerable years of his life trying to navigate it all. However, when one actually looks at his voyages, all of them lasted for three years. For reference, Columbus' second through fourth voyages all lasted around the same amount of time.
<So yu can see, Cook's voyages are in red, Columbus' are in blueSo, unless he was using a speedboat, how is it possible to travel around the edges of the Earth, in such a short amount of time?
Also, explain the arctic poles.
>>149622>Question 02 - 04:02 - Where does the Sun go if the Earth is flat?<It's all "perspective"What about the month of complete night and sunlight that Northern and Southern regions experience every summer and winter?
>Question 14 - 23:17 - Why can't I see infinitely far?<It's because your eyesight is shit and there's too much dust in the wayOkay, why doesn't someone set up a laser system to prove their theory, then? A simple laser pointer is capable of still being visible for 12 miles away. Why setup a system to see if what you're seeing with the zoom shots shown in this video are legit or mirages:
>>148988>Question 21 - 36:43 - What's it mean if the Earth is flat?<[Starts going on a rant about fiat money, the NWO, and all the same bullshit that Neo-Libertarian conservatives have been repeating since Ron Paul made it cool]Have
ANY of you guys actually bothered to rewatch any of that shit from over a decade ago? Or, am I the only one who finds humor in how Alex Jones turned out to be the biggest source of controlled opposition?
>>149630>Okay, why doesn't someone set up a laser system to prove their theory, then?There are plenty of videos with lasers debunking the curvature.
Do the research faggot.
According to the ball lie and as it is stated at
>>149168 , the Chicago skyline at a distance of 50 miles, should be hidden below 1,667 feet of curvature.
>>149633The jewtube algorithm scrubbed them all, now only (((authoritative))) opinions are shown. However I managed to find a couple.
>Flat Earth | Laser Test Proves The Flat Earth - Part 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw>16.4-Mile Laser Test Confirms Earth is Flathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KYfodwnHAIMirrors:
https://www.brighteon.com/31db2f7b-135d-4a76-8e7e-451db974db45https://www.bitchute.com/video/h058DU2FSf7k/
>>149614>Muh Freemasons/Illuminati>Galileo started itPeople have been speculating about the Earth being round since the 5th century BC, when Pythagoras was still figuring out new number tricks. From there, the information spread and people were able to both astronomically and mathematically prove it from the third century AD all the way up to 1522, when Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastian Elcano circumnavigated the Earth FORTY YEARS before Galileo was born. If you're going to spout garbage, at least make it conform to actual history and not just fit whatever your single-digit IQ remembers from your elementary school knowledge of the sciences.
If the earth is flat why does the sun rise at one end of the horizion and set at the opposite end? shoudnt we see the sun and moon rotating in circles above us the entire time? Seems like a jewish trick to me
Tesla: "Earth is a Realm, it is not a planet".
LEVEL (2021) | First Flat Earth Documentary
>Are flat earthers insane? Are they delusional idiots, so convinced of the wrong belief that they all become very passionate truth seekers and activists that want nothing more than to spread their ideas for the benefit of all humanity? >No. Flat earthers are you. They are me. They are everyone and just because some people are indoctrinated into the heliocentric model of earth from a young age and still have a hard time letting go because of it, doesn't mean that those of us that know the truth about this world are going to give up on them. >They are family. Whether you know it or not, you and I are referred to as "useless eaters" in the eyes of the self proclaimed leaders of the world. >They wish to destroy us and the things we love in order to reduce the population to a more desirable number that's easier to steer and control. >We must unite before it's too late and stand our ground if we have any chance at a future without one world totalitarian rule. >We are taught that the earth is a cosmic accident and that life is meaningless because it's the only way to continually use us as batteries to power their economy, which is the real life matrix. >If we all knew the truth about where we are and where we come from, their would be a revolt overnight and the government that you know today would not exist in the morning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXU10zS1zFkMirrors:
https://odysee.com/@ODDTV:b/level-(2021)-first-flat-earth:6https://worldtruthvideos.org/watch/level-a-flat-earth-film-2021_993zULRmPWdZzry.htmlhttps://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=4HM5W1AW5KHNhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/4SiTwJSONQk9/
>>149637Hold up a second!If the Earth is flat according to the according to the picture displayed here:
>>149243Wouldn't that result in the laser being to the right or left of the viewer? They cannot look at it straight on because, for example, if one were to look directly West along a latitudinal degree, everything would curve around to the right (With the reverse if you're facing East). Basically, imagine the Earth like a giant merry-go-round. The only exception to this would be if they were looking at it from a longitudinal angle, which would remain a straight line.
<But that doesn't explain how they can still see the laser.Because light bends:
https://archive.ph/zFuJYWith one of the reasons being gravity:
https://archive.ph/tfho5>>149648>>We are taught that the earth is a cosmic accident and that life is meaningless because it's the only way to continually use us as batteries to power their economy, which is the real life matrix.How is it possible for me to be a creationist, yet even acknowledge that sounds insane?
>>149649>Because light bends: https://archive.ph/zFuJY>links to a diffraction articleDiffraction is diffusion, not bending.
It might be said that light bends when "refraction" is the phenomena, see
>>149110>With one of the reasons being gravity: https://archive.ph/tfho5>according to (((Einstein)))It is a "THEORY", aka speculation, aka a hypothesis.
>How is it possible for me to be a creationist, yet even acknowledge that sounds insane?It is an obvious analogy.
>FLAT EARTH CULT MEMBERS COME DEBATE ME (IS THERE ANY AMONG YOU THAT IS NOT A COWARD)
Here it is shown the wrong approach to the subject. It is not about the biggest dick, but the soundest science.
>>149650>It might be said that light bends when "refraction" is the phenomenaActually it is not bending, but bouncing.
>For kids>Flat Earth mentioned and explained in animatic serieshttps://t.me/flacheerdegemeinschaft/5936
>Anti-Flat Earth Defense Mechanisms>Rather than genuinely inquire and research the proofs/evidence against the spinning globe model and for the stationary plane Earth, many people instead employ a variety of unconscious defense mechanisms to protect them from ever learning anything new. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn9utRKNwhsMirrors:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Anti-Flat-Earth-Defense-Mechanisms:4https://www.bitchute.com/video/D7Ot1oqaqVj3/
>American government TV
>Scientists are worried that Flat Earth may become a political issue
>>149775Shows like this should be illegal.
>>149870imagine a world where Standards And Practices has to erase all degeneracy from children's media
and govt funded art grants can only go to art that fits criteria intended to weed out degeneracy
>>149871Jews would abuse such legislation to stomp out opposition and "problematic" content.
You'd need to erase Jews before you did that. Jews are the reason why we can't have nice things.
>>149873>Jews are the reason why we can't have nice things.Pretty much this.
>The Fall of Gravity>The Fall of Gravity presentation is a collaboration between University of California Davis Electrical Engineer Vahid Ebrahimi and Head of the International Flat Earth Research Society Eric Dubay.https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/The-Fall-of-Gravity:dMirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Go2MJKr5bUZc/
>>149879>image 1it makes a claim and then doesn't even try to back it up. Discarded.
>image 2the solar system exists on a plane for the same reason that every planet except Uranus (long story) generally spins on the same axis, and that's because everything aside from the sun started off as a protoplanetary disk, something that has been observed elsewhere in the Milky Way galaxy and subsequently confirmed as of 2018, and thus seems the most likely origin of our solar system. If you want to know what a protoplanetary disk is, then look it up because there are many people who can explain them better than I can.
>image 3I looked this one up because I was legitimately interested. Anyway, Sir Ranulph Fiennes and his world record for doing so would like a word, alongside the others who undertook the same race back in the 1970s/80s.
>image 4Photoshop exists. Enough said.
>image 5Do you see that little thing down there in the bottom right in the map? It's to show you roughly how far it is from point A to point B on there by giving some rough distance estimates.
Do you see how it has sets of lines and numbers, all differing in respective meaning in relation to the map? That's because the map has inaccuracies just like any other projection that has ever been put into use. The projection most commonly used as the flat version of Earth by people in your sphere happens to have the inaccuracy or "warp" as it is more formally referred of splaying out as it goes further south in order to maintain the polar-centric circular projection. Thus, the corrections need to be made for proper calculations of distance. Now, if this was the real state of the Earth, then why would those corrections need to be made at all? Why wouldn't there just be one line with one set of numbers for the entire map?
>muh different units of measurement! No, that doesn't work. There are 14 separate lines, each with their own different meanings. There are only 2 units big enough and widely used enough to matter on a worldwide scale, the mile and the kilometer (imperial and metric.) Even assuming each of those lines is some different way of measuring distances within those two systems, that only adds up to 11 separate units (4 imperial, 7 metric,) requiring us to somehow pull 3 more units of length out of our asses to accommodate the other three lines shown. Anyone who knows these things better than me can feel free to correct any mistakes I've made, and anyone who thinks I'm wrong on any of these points is free to challenge me. I welcome the idea of learning new things, so I may be convinced if a more convincing argument than facebook-tier images are given.
>>149879I really love how this thread is so full of completely un-cited claims that do nothing to help me consider the alternative point of view even after I give it the benefit of the doubt.
>>149963>un-cited claimsYou may begin with the lie that there is a curve behind the horizon. This thread shows plenty of empirical evidence debunking the curvature.
>>149964I'm saying that all these memes that make claims with no sources aren't helping.
Former Senior Officer in the CIA says NASA is Not a Space Agency.
Verbatim.
>>149963so many claims, so little sources, and so far out of the two- now three- posts I've made here nobody's been able (or at least willing) to prove me wrong. I'd love for that to happen, but something tells me that the guy's just not able to.
>>149969>nobody's been able (or at least willing) to prove me wrongAnd your sources are... NASA?
>>149969That's the simplicity of it. They want you to indoctrinate yourself to it to yourself.
They'll always maintain their aloofness from hard truth. That's why flat earth memes are rarely good of they are it's usually due to their failure.
The kinds of tactics are like a very familiar slime when squeezed. Not even a good kind that has a little bit of something. Because of the substanceless usually displayed corrodes anything of value. Which is why they pair it with many important topics with actual documented seriousness.
It can be explained with nuts.
Mine and others have the seed to germinate life extremely successfullyfilled with nutrition for the journey.
Theirs is completely dry to such a degree that they do it because of fear. Then they goad people into making a soggy waffle so they get to eat it. As they taste the life force as a whore supping on a fapichino they are watched because they have the same reactions every time, to determine the categorization of both the ideas and the effectiveness of which it can change a deadend husk.
That's the most scary part for these watchers.
This is their test bed to see if it is possible and how much it is. Along the way they drag immigrant issues through the mud by meer association, intentionally or not.
The best part of this is breaking the mental scaffold that replicates this is a testament to selfbrain washing. As such the solutions are viable.
It gets even better though because now a man can act on his own if he so dares to venture into his mind. A call to action made by himself to himself.

Well, if some round earther may explain why the famous curvature fails to show up in every experiment done, then your credibility might increase.
>>149972Now that you mention it, I too notice a certain (((resemblance))) in the argument styles used by these types. They never even look at the ideas and points you make, content to continue arguing circles and making you look stupid by association while giving those of feeble mind the misplaced confidence to hold fast to their incorrect assumptions. Very familiar indeed.
>>149972>They want you to indoctrinate yourself to it to yourself.At least Jews put some effort into their propaganda.
This is like trying to get a commie to explain how communism works and they just shout "do your own research!".
Ffs, I try to keep an open mind, but it's really annoying when all I get in return for considering someone else's viewpoints is half-baked memes and unsourced claims.
>>149973>explain why the famous curvature fails to show up in every experiment done[Citation needed]
>>149976>[Citation needed]Read the thread anon.
The citation you ask is in the physics books.
>>149978I have read this thread, and it's almost nothing but loose ends with no source.
>>150022>Pic 5Gravity and magnitsm.
>>150023Wtf the air cant be magnetic it's not metal like my fridge magnets
>>150022>implying the border between the atmosphere and space is a sheer borderThe air gets thinner with higher elevation. That's why high altitude locations have less oxygen. As you go higher, the air gets thinner and thinner until there is no air at all, which would be a vacuum.
>>150025Building on your point, space isn't a perfect vacuum either. Near to the sun as we are, there are actually a rather large number of particles flying around through our general vicinity due to factors like leftover particles from the birth of the solar system and even particles radiating off of the sun itself through solar wind and such. Space outside our solar system isn't a perfect vacuum either, but it's certainly more empty than space near the sun.
>>150026Yeah, space is not a perfect vacuum at all.
Vacuum is by definition relative.
>The nail in the coffin of the heliononsensical model. By: Owen Benjamin>Owen has completed his journey from not ever looking and just believing to having looked and now knowing that the heliononsensical model in impossiBALL.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqp4SJksTlQMirrors:
https://odysee.com/@DITRH:f/the-nail-in-the-coffin-of-the:9https://www.bitchute.com/video/Qqp4SJksTlQ/I hope anons already understand the concept of acceleration and inertia.
>>150031Owen Benjamin literally drinks turpentine to cure his gay thoughts. He’s a literal Retarded faggot. I wouldn’t want him parroting anything I believe
>>150031The earth doesn't rotate around the sun and the sun doesn't rotate around the earth.
Everything rotates around one unknown thing at the center of the universe.
My money's on a fucking big sun. The biggest one imaginable.
We're dust compared to our sun.
And our sun would be dust compared to that sun.
So when you think about it...
Thinking of earth as the center of the universe everything else rotates around is nicer than pretending our sun's more important than any other.
>>150042Who said anything about worship?
>>150054Don't you just love when a faggot personally attacks you for a bullshit reason while completely ignoring what you have to say?
It means you win.
I am right. To say the earth revolves around the sun is an oversimplification at best and entirely false in actuality.
It really is a matter of perspective.
Sunsimps only hate the "we earthlings are the center of the universe"chads for having self-esteem.
>>150037>Everything rotates around one unknown thing at the center of the universe.Galaxies are centered around black holes. Perhaps there really is a supermassive back hole at the center of our universe.
>>150062>Don't you just love when a faggot personally attacks you for a bullshit reason while completely ignoring what you have to say?That is exactly what happened with
>>150031Answers
>>150034 and
>>150037 evaded completely the physics facts. Science, specifically physics, it is what is being judged.
You cannot ask for to entertain your derailing answers.
>>150073>Science, specifically physics, it is what is being judged.Correction:
It is not science per se what is being judged, but its priests and their lies. Scientists were and are corrupting science to make it fit an agenda.
>>150037I mean, technically the Earth is the center of the observable universe, so everything that matters to our species is quite literally centered around this blue-green marble we call home.
>>150093Sunfags on susicide watch
they literally don't even earn the word suicide. They earn a stupid unfunny amogus reference.
>>150093>I mean, technically the Earth is the center of the observable universeI would like to mention that if there is not ball, then there is not space or universe. But a firmament and stars.
>>150073Cry all you want it’s not gonna stop your boy Owen from being a closeted homosexual who takes advantage of his fans.
>>150136The "universe" it totality. The metaphysics of it don't matter. Whether they're fixed stars or in space it's all part of the universe.
>>150149If motion requires something else to compare it to, is the universe technically moving?
>k-Rock 95.5 Australia - Flat Earth is ridiculous!>Do you want the red pill or the blue pill? The choice is yours. If you want to know the truth about our flat world, watch these videos in order and there will be no turning back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGpUqX8DD9wMirrors:
https://odysee.com/@DITRH:f/k-rock-95.5-australia-flat-earth-is:5https://www.bitchute.com/video/ohC3cpRhKurI/
>Obviously It's Fake - Podcast on Flat Earth (1:10:27 long)>Banned on Youtubehttps://www.bitchute.com/video/Zu3KrZ2y7r4v/There is an excerpt showing the normie reaction of the stream hostesses after the stream ended. It's priceless imho.
I attach it here. (4:58 long)
>Flat Earth - Obviously It's Fake excerpthttps://odysee.com/@DITRH:f/flat-earth-obviously-it's-fake-excerpt:9?
Private Rocket Hits The Dome at 73 Miles Up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVIVfoJ2Yh4
>>150159That's the theory. The Earth turns on it's axis, the moon orbits the Earth, the Earth orbits the sun, the sun is one of millions of stars that is orbiting the black hole that creates the Milky Way, and everything is slowing moving itself apart from one another.
>>150294>Rocket Hits The DomeWouldn't that cause it to explode? Or immediately bounce back?
<Also, slow motion video is a thing.
>>150317>Wouldn't that cause it to explode? Or immediately bounce back?It looks like the rocket got caught in some kind of force field. Even if somebody may claim that the rocket exhausted its propulsion and fell, that very fast spin was stopped on the spot.
I'm posting 2 screenshots showing that the rocket's camera is using an eye fish lens. That's the reason why the horizon switches between concave and convex.
Another video:
>Unedited Footage of 2014 Go Fast Rocket (full)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAuu-Zg9ejw
>>150392>10 Challenges For Flat EarthersAccepted.
- 10 Flat Earth challenges completed - Playlist
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXUlIF7bNXinjYvrS3BcWaoan5yeAFez0- 10 Challenges For Flat Earthers: COMPLETED (Part 1 - Maps)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmbSqgzpyqo- 10 Challenges For Flat Earthers: COMPLETED (Part 2 - Antarctica & Sunlight)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLBMxnwrkC8- 10 Challenges For Flat Earthers: COMPLETED (Part 3 - Eclipses & Predictions)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhtzhWZiLrU- 10 Challenges For Flat Earthers: COMPLETED (Part 4 - We See Too Far Dave)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMAoJqMAN8A- 10 Challenges For Flat Earthers: COMPLETED (Part 5 - Boats "Over The Curve"?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erUKDM7Cmxo- 10 Challenges For Flat Earthers: COMPLETED (Part 7-8 - Dave Wants Balloon Footage & Eclipse Review)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPH9QXLkJsU- 10 Challenges For Flat Earthers: COMPLETED (Part 9-10 | Flights And "Something Scientific"}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htkuWUOqI4I
>>150393Quick question, why are each of these videos two hours long in order to "dispute" a video that's 12 minutes long, with each video spending entire sections wasting people's time with useless information that doesn't answer the question being presented, doesn't link to the original videos being used, and some of the sourced channels in questioned being terminated by the author themselves?
In other words, why is there no actually answer to the question, and instead just some drawn out statements that fall into the same fallacies that were pointed out in the original challenge video?
>>150393>>150408To put it another way,
GET TO THE FUCKING POINT!
>>150409>GET TO THE FUCKING POINT!Sure. Our realm is flat.
>>150408>In other words, why is there no actually answer to the questionI agree those videos are way too long and try to explain too much.
I believe the creator's intention is to educate the average person without a physics background.
The Flat Earth subject must dive in mathematics, physics and many other hard science branches in order to debunk lies and fake science. Obviously this is not the preferred flavor of most people because they lack the very foundations to grasp the concept, so an entertainment approach usually is chosen.
>>150413>I agree those videos are way too long and try to explain too much.They don't explain shit. What does the length of the coastline have to do with traveling from New Zealand to Chile? Why do none of them attempt to disprove the curvature of the Earth buy doing their test from any of the plains like the Utah Salt Flats like the guy insisted? Why do none of the videos directly say, "
This is the reason why, and now I will explain how that works"?
>>150414>"This is the reason why, and now I will explain how that works"?No problem.
If you are indeed hungry for knowledge and according to you, you despise to waste time, you should see
>>148884>>148885 and perhaps
>>149622
>>150415>If you are indeed hungry for knowledgeTHAT IS NOT WHAT I ASKED FOR.What I asked for is for you to explain, in simple detail, why it is that the so-called challenges proposed in are "easily" disproven. Videos that are hours on end and documents that hundreds of pages log or make fallacies claims that do explain anything to do not make an argument nor are constituted as "knowledge".
Actually take the time to explain and refute shit. There's more than enough posts in this thread already asking questions that have been outright ignored.
>>150416Oh, I see.
Basically you are demanding spoon feeding without any research whatsoever on your side.
>>150417You're the ones making the claims that the Earth is flat. Therefore, it is
YOUR responsibility to explain why those claims are false. That includes answering any question people have, despite how stupid they may be.
>>150418>Therefore, it is YOUR responsibility to explain why those claims are false.You mean that the claims are true, anon.
I'm posting the claims and I back them up with proof.
If (you) can't or don't want to understand the stream of devastating facts, then I suggest you read and watch them again.
I can't be responsible for your failure.
>>150419>I refuse to explain jackThen we have nothing left to discuss.
>>150420You don't want to discuss, but to trap your opponent. In other words, you are not after the truth, but to prove I'm wrong to make you feel better.
What about if you make the research and demonstrate that Earth is a ball. By the way, the argument that because NASA says so doesn't count.
I would love you could back your religion up with facts.
>>148613Earth is shaping like potato chip.
>>150422Good job, be the establishment figureheads by imitating smug SJWs proud of their new gender theory.
Really excellent work.
Would you like a cookie too?
That people would spend the time of day doing time consuming experiments that require a precision, accuracy and dedication to actually get consistent data. And then analyze for the fun of looking at the numbers.
Or they just sort of shrug say who gives a fuck and move on?
Go ahead do what you're doing that's what some of your vocal video members do. They could be right, they could be wrong.
But that didn't matter because if you actually wanted to prove your point it's all a matter of propaganda and information delivery.
You are terrible there.
The very first thing people ask is why should I care.
>Cause governments are lying!Okay, we know that what else.
>Earth is flat! Mean you been lied to!Okay, lots of people already do that.
How is it important for me to know this?
>...When I could use the really big lie, and get good enough. We do that anyway so what's the big deal?
>. . .>TruthBut does it help me? Can I actually use it to my advantage and have something critical from it for later use?
>. . .Okay, I'm not going to waste my precious time on this then, good bye.
>>WHY IS NOBODY SEEKING OUT THE TRUTH!?>AHHHHHHHHHH?!
>Flat-Earther Destroys Globe in Live Radio Interview>Re-Mastered version of the ground-breaking interview where President of the International Flat Earth Research Society exposes and explains the globe hoax to Coast 2 Coast AM radio co-hosthttps://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Flat-Earther-Destroys-Globe-in-Live-Radio-Interview:dMirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4ruLflqsyK7Y/
>>150481So that's all. No one knows why just believe us.
>If Globe spirituality is ded>If Flat spiritually is not ded<Black budget for something else<Gravity their godThat's fucking retarded.
Because what do you do with that information afterwards.
Well you answered my question so here's a pony. Good job.
>>150482>So that's all. No one knows why just believe us.You are gaslighting.
Stick to the facts. There's not any demonstrable curve, therefore there is not ball. So simple, so straight forward.
>>150483>No one knows why they go about spreading Global propaganda>It's a fucking mystery>If Globe spirituality is ded>If Flat spiritually is not ded<Black budget for something else<Gravity their godThat's what your video claimed.
>>150483Gaslighting does not exist
>The Incredible Sophistry of Albert Einstein! (3:12:35 long)>Today we take a look at what all mainstream scientism is based on by looking at Albert Einstein's Theories of Relativity. >His 'theories' are the very definition of sophistry and we are going to show you why.>We will be joined by our special guest Karen B https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vybj6E9WE4Mirror with video divided in 2 parts:
>The Incredible Sophistry of Albert Einstein. P1 (1:32:00 long)https://www.bitchute.com/video/ng5BdyPdMug4/>The Incredible Sophistry of Albert Einstein. P2 (1:39:53 long)https://www.bitchute.com/video/QKAwet7lKzNK/
>>150601Jump to around 1:18:10 for a funny moment.
You can't make this shit up.
Do any Flat Earthers have an explanation as to the following two questions:
>1. Why is it possible to see both the Sun and the Moon, in the same general direction, during the day?
>2. Why does the moon change colors and size?
>>150615The moon doesn't change colours or size. It just appears to, because of moon clouds.
Sometimes clouds of space dust get in the way of our view of the moon.
Ever seen the moon blocked by a white cloud closer to us and our light source?
Ever seen the moon blocked by a black cloud far out of reach of our light source?
>>150616>clouds of space dust...WHAT?
Has anyone considered the possibility that Flat Earthers are from the same brand of retards that brought us Otherkins: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lFRjrLmc_4c
And Breatharians: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WWRniMqhr00
>>150618You heard me, faggot. Do you deny the existence of space clouds?
>Smoking Gun Proof From NASA Software Engineers That Mars Rovers Are On Earth — Not On Mars>Richard Hall — a British engineer who runs the website RichPlanet.net — has done a series of videos examining an increasing mountain of evidence suggesting serious chicanery involving these rovers on “Mars”. As they say, “a picture is worth a thousand words” — and those pictures allegedly coming back from Mars are being surreptitiously vetted long before the public — and even most NASA employees — get to see them.>In Hall’s series “Where Are The Mars Rovers?” he discusses many of these anomalies with his fellow scientist Andrew Johnson. In Part 3 of that series, they discuss a lengthy anonymous essay posted on an astrophysicists blog written by a software engineer who had worked for NASA — and during a routine trouble-shooting job with the rover, discovered a “backdoor” in the Mars rover’s software that allowed NASA to receive thumbnail images from the rovers “on Mars” allegedly in real time — no time delay, but because of the immense distance between Earth and Mars — this would be a scientific impossibility — as radio transmission faster than the speed of light is an impossibility. https://christiansfortruth.com/smoking-gun-proof-from-nasa-software-engineers-that-mars-rovers-are-on-earth-not-on-mars/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1tLS1IUnRQ
>>151503>NASA PHOTOSHOPPED THIS IMAGE!<Literally just searching the text in the image reveals it's from a video tutorial on using photoshop, and has no actual connection to NASA.In this thread we see the mortal predilection for mimicking the actions of their superiors, without comprehending those actions, nor even attempting to comprehend them.
Mortals have seen people claim that the establishment sometimes lies, and have some vague inkling that the establishment cosmology has foreboding implications. Thus the earth is "obviously" flat (because coming up with their own individual view is harder than just copying someone else's view), and those unsettling possibilities are rendered harmlessly false.
Mortals have also seen people post examples of doctored images to support their claim that someone is lying, so hey, here's a doctored image, it must support my claim!
In addition to searching the text, if one reverse images searches the red version of the picture, the only place it shows up red is in places where they're claiming it's proof of the mars landings being fake, and never shows up anywhere being claimed as a real photo of mars.
Any anon who's worked at a grocery store (or similar) will be familiar with another form of this mimicking behavior, where "people" grab food that's behind the stuff in front without knowing
why real people do it. As such, those "people" often get products with the same exact expiration date as the product in front (and waste both their time and the stocker's time), or sometimes even get a worse expiration date if things happen to have been stocked improperly.
This mimicking is also why it is impossible to have a real discussion with a mortal, because they do not comprehend how an exchange of ideas and a resolution of differing opinions works, nor can they comprehend the idea of multiple different views being reasonable interpretations of the limited information and experiences available to the participants. They've just seen the general flow of "debates", and mimic the behavior of the "winning" side.
Remember anons, while it is very tempting to try and dissuade these unfortunate "souls" from their errant path, it is often a waste of time. Many such circumstances are such that anyone who
can comprehend why the position is wrong, already won't believe it, and those who do believe it can't comprehend the reasons it's wrong. It's an example of the typical human behavior of assuming that everyone is relatively similar to oneself, which makes anons believe that surely this "person" simply hasn't encountered the alternative viewpoint, and is completely capable of understanding it. This belief is, sadly, often incorrect.
>>151653>Remember anons, while it is very tempting to try and dissuade these unfortunate "souls" from their errant pathSo, may I know where is the curve?
Remember anon, if there is no curve, then there is no planet, then there is no space, then there is no universe.
Where is the curve? Huh?
Flat Earth; Antarctica - Dome Described in 1958 Encyclopedia and Prior Editions!
Nikon P1000 Debunks The Globe.
I stuck my head down the flat-earth rabbit-hole once. Just once. Now I can't unsee the fisheye lenses in space footage.
3/10 fun the first few times but now it's just depressing.
>>151663Fish eye lenses are used to maximize field of vision rather than focus on one particular spot. They tend to be used in space applications because you want to see as much of your space station or craft as possible.
>>150294The video is gone.
Well, that was expected.
>>149108These memes reek of manipulation. Especially the last one. It should read “my face when”, not “your face when”. I don’t know if these are especially made by agencies paid to optimally stupidize the US population and accelerate their decline (to facilitate the Chinese taking over the Empire, for example), or whether it’s just how the egregore works, but this is suspicious.
>>149113We do feel the centrifugal force of the Earth’s rotation. Its pull upwards is what makes your measured weight on the equator be about 300g less than your actual mass.
Eric Dubay: Daylight Debunks The Globe.
https://t.me/FE_Nederland/550
>pic related is one of the things flat earthtards fear
>>151811Do a Ctrl+F and search this thread for Nikon P900 and P1000, then THOSE ARE what round earthers really fear.
>>151703>Earth’s rotationI would love to hear from where you are taking your info.
Flat Earth in 60 Seconds!
The Earth can't possibly be flat because if it were all the cats in the world would have pushed everything and everyone over the edge by now!
>>152451Cats can't, the edge is 150 feet high.
>Is Theoretical Physics Actually Pseudo-Science? - (9:01 long)>Michio Kaku and the pseudo-science that is modern-day 'theoretical physics.'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhaegEh6Cg8Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BoIhdNLpzFMN/Spoiler: It's a pile of crap that can't pass the scientific method test.
>TOP 10 Reasons Why I Don't Trust NASA>This video shows enough evidence as to why you should no longer trust NASA or any other space agency and at the very least encourage you to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eQxHPI86Nw
Stanley Kubrick's Deathbed Confession.
Moon landings are a fraud.
Cartoon Truth about the fake moon landing.
>>153839Already posted. See
>>150392
>>153847>CIA & international spying gossipThis has nothing to do with Flat Earth.
>>153844My apologies. Pleade allow timr for me to review the 'completion' vids.
While Im doing that, since youre familiar with the youtube channel, would you care to address the numerous additional videos that refute flat earth theory?
For clarification, the challenge is NOT to 'watch this guys whole videos and respond to everything', the challenge is to address the additional concerns, starting here:
https://youtu.be/KyD8VIK032oAnd yes, this will be a sequence of inquiries. Im trying to skeptically weigh arguments from both sides. (You) are welcome to decline.
>>153850If you can proof you live on a ball I will be satisfied.
>>153851You've rejected all of the proof given.
What would it actually take to prove it to you? What's your standard of evidence?
>>153851Well, lets be specific about what you feel constitutes proof.
Lets start with the moon.
Please explain the moon.
>>153853The parameters are set, according to Freemasons our realm is round, however real experiments (not CGI, photoshop and tall tales) debunk that.
So, applying real science, (((governments))) and their bought scientists' accounts don't hold water.
Interesting, isn't it?
>>153854Okay, then what would hold water to you? What would it take?
>>153855>what would hold water to you?To pass the Scientific Method.
Please, research moar fren; your question denotes that you are ill prepared to understand how science works.
>>153856What sort of research are you looking for?
>>153858Not me, but you.
It is (you) who doesn't see the BS before your eyes because you are relying on faith in perceived "scientist priests" and government propaganda instead scientific analytical thinking.
>>153862>>153854Very Arrogant, Very Cringe
>>153854I saaaaaaaid, explain the Moon
>>153853This is getting tiresome. The whole thread is filled with proof.
>>153903Youve got two statements about the moon landing, and what? Idgaf about the landings, I want you to explain what the fuck the moon is using flat earth and or dome theory.
Heres the rub. Your cutesy rhetorical 'proofs' dont measure up to a flat earth. I could conceive of the 'shard of a larger planet' theory, but the curvature of the planet is so easily proven through a variety of basic and complicated tests (and the results are repeatable and correspond to one another while operating individually), that to claim it is flat you would have to be quite ignorant, taking the piss, or you cant think rationally.
Since (you) are seemingly the only anon who gives this theory any weight Im addressing you.
Now then. You are aware that constellations are a thing, yes? Do you honestly think its some kind of projected or artifical aspect of a dome? If so, show me a astronomic chart by which you can track the movement of the constellations. If the flat earth were true, the constellations would be visible going NOT in a straight line, but would meander in order to be visible over the various areas it is claimed based on the flat earth map, and would diverge from the directional positions they are observed from.
Or, for simplicity's sake, explain the moon.
For extra credit, please use these charts to indicate when the next lunar eclipse is going to happen.
Because the funny thing about astronomical charts is you CAN accuratrly predict down to the minute (Im sure more sophisticated anons can be even more precise) when historical and future eclipses (not exclusively) will occurr.
Additionally theres this thing called tides, magnetic fields, as well as seasons, and all the rest. The thing about science is its based on findings rather than an individual's agreement with the theory for whatever reason. A scientist is tasked with trying to DISPROVE their pet theory and only after they exhaustively fail to do so do they present their findings to the critical analysis of other scientists, who then take it upon themselves to rigorously vet the experiments, the findings, and the validity of the theory.
The few videos of what has been posted that I HAVE watched are easily refuted and debunked (like the horizon laser experiment), so no Im not going to bother reading/watching everything. Back to the challenge:
Tl;dr Explain anything about the moon using flat earth models, and Ill be happy to show you how absurd those explanations are
>>153903>"Proofs"Sure Buddy, BTW whats your IQ? Asking for a Friend.
Heliocentrism Modern Day Sun Worship Masquerading as a Science.
>>153856>>153904I don't really know if the earth is flat or not (as in I cannot prove either way), but I have to say that I don't really like your science, well maybe not woreship, but naive and idealistic view of the scientific world.
The reality is that we live in a world were egalitarinism is preached, which includes scientists that improve their careers to find "poofs" of this. Of course, there are those scientist that speak out about this but they are either shunned by the rest of the "scientific community"
I'm sorry but I can't help but to think how community and objectivity seems, to me, naturally at odds with each other. Woman are liars and they are that way to fit in into communities. It seems clear that a society based around objectivity and truth would suffer from being mesh into one. or, it it's possible, removed from their former post.
Point is that I would put no faith in their integrity at all. They have lied before, so I shouldn't be suprized if they do so again.
This also doubles down in the favour of the flat earthers' camp. I haven't picked a side yet since it would only be for show anyway since I don't feel confident that I know enough about the issue to prove whatever conclusion I might reach but my point is that just like how flat earthers point to the idea that the earth is round; which, when you look at the horizon, is the most intuitive thought, the same can be said about bio essentialism. When we look at a nigger and compare him to a white man, the unbiased mind automatically assumes that just how their outside appearence is different so must their insides be. Obviously, ranging in degrees but that's the intuitive thought. But people have been made into liars because of the fear of being called racist. This forces them to claim that the emperor is nude.
I'm not saying that they are obviously the same but I'd liked to point out the similarity.
>>154391Just because the earth revolves around the sun doesn't mean that you have to worship the sun. That's nonsense.
After looking into OP claim the world is flat, I now believe the earth is definitely flat
>>149600>What about satellites?Satellites are actually balloons.
>>156620Be a good lad and calculate when the next solar or lunar eclipse will be, using a flat earth model
>>156622No idea, but it is sufficient to know that there is no curve, then there is no planet, then there is no space, then... the whole astronomy building falls catastrophically. It is all a big hoax.
>>156624And how do (you) know there is no curve? Are you any pf thes3 vodeographers who have condicted an experiment and can reproduce the results such that a knowledgeable person could observe the experiment without finding fault in it?
Pssst, without evidence its not knowledge, its personal conviction.
>>156625>And how do (you) know there is no curve?I definitely can ask exactly the same question and with the same argument about "authority".
And how do (you) know there is a curve?
Im throwing you a bone here.
Flat earth proponents LOVE to push the 'conduct your own experiments' meme, and when (you) are ready to present your own findings, Ill be happy to give them the consoderation they deserve.
Bit you're not, you're presenting (very flawed) videos and articles from other people, and effectivrly acknowledging 'well, none of the flat earth models actually WORK with the solar system, but its enough to 'know' the earth is flat.
I mean, look at this guy here.
https://youtu.be/YaPa4esJJx4I wont say his experiment is flawless,
and I acknowledge that allows for the shard-earth theory which I further acknowledge the possibikity of given certain pieces of information that I have recently come into possession of.
But, while I acknowledge that the shard theory is not impossible, Im not promoting it.
(You) however are promoting Flat Earth, which from the rhetorical and problematic (from a logical standpoint) 'sources' doesnt have any legs to stand on.
Oh, speaking of standing, apparently gravity isnt a thing to flat earthers? Apparently we're being held against the earth by inertia of effectively a giant elevator?
>How is this possible<Idk but that doesnt mean its wrongThats 'God of the Gaps'tier
>inb4 gaytheist talking pointsNot an Atheist, bit there is an easy correlation to be drawn between the inability to rationally conceptualize an alternative that fits somehow excuses an otherwise laughable stance on the subject.
If any of the flat earth material were viable, you would be able to take that 3vidence and then apply it to another observable phenomenon, and tbey would be interconnected and play off each other; there isnt one set of observable physical phenomena one minute and a totally other set a few miles away. You should be able to say 'if this part of flat earth is true, then that would translate to this area, where we can see if the same observable phenomena occurs in a different context.'
Lather, rinse, repeat.
>>156628>I mean, look at this guy here.>misdirectionIn this bread there is plenty of information and proof to put the heliocentrism cult to rest for eternity.
>>156620>First off, (you)'re the one promoting the theory, the burden of proof is on you. But since I have a handle on things and can argue a point without logical fallacies and defensive deflection,....Because sundials are a thing, amd they produce the same results no matter where on the planet you are. Additionally, round is a fundamental property of matter, as it is at a point of equilibrium when operating in a pressurized system. This is why tiny droplets of water bead, among many other observable phenomenon.
>but water gets flat on a plateYes, because it has reached a resting state, being acted on only by gravity and minimal air pressure.
The sphere is observable in
all structures beginning with cells and microbes (Id suggest atoms too, but I havent seen it with my own eyes) and is a fundamental form of matter, plasma, and electromagnetism. Ever studied a magnetic field? They're easily observable with metal filings (unless,... the metal filings are in on the deception)
>>156628>You) however are promoting Flat Earth, which from the rhetorical and problematic (from a logical standpoint) 'sources' doesnt have any legs to stand on.You lie like a kike.
The breads speaks for itself. Laser experiments on water demonstrate without any doubts that there's no curve.
Read the whole bread of GTFO.
>>156632Those laser experiments are flawed AND not reproduced. Try again.
>>156632>You lie like a kike.I REALLY hope you have some evid3nce for that claim. Please put it forward. Where and how have I lied.
>>156633>Those laser experiments are flawed AND not reproduced.How so? I'm interested, HOW they are flawed.
>>156635>Where and how have I lied.You said, quote:
>You) however are promoting Flat Earth, which from the rhetorical and problematic (from a logical standpoint) 'sources' doesnt have any legs to stand on.From a logical standpoint no source need any approval from the heliocentric "priest" funded by (((governments))). You call "problematic sources" to anyone not licensed by the priests to investigate on the established pseudo science. Therefore it is (you) who resort to fallacies to support the round earth.
>>156636>flawsFo one, theyre being conducted on a boat, on the water.
Now I dont know if you know about natural bodies of water, but Ill clue you in.
There is no such thing as a resting state. Ergo, you will never be operating from a level and stable platform. With the distances involved the most miniscule change in angle will produce results where the error threshold renders the results inconclusive AT BEST.
>priests>licensesSo not what I said, thanks for proving who the liar.
When I say authority, I dont mean (((authority))) I mean a person who has an experiential wealth of knowledge about the subject and its experiments, who is credible in determining errors. I am not an authority, and yet I can already refute most of the assertions presented.
If a layman can do that to most of the evidence, how can you claim to have a leg to stand on?
Pick a video or article, and I will walk you through it and point out the errors. When I cant, Ill admit it. Deal? Pick your favorite.
>>156637>I dont mean (((authority))) I mean a person who has an experiential wealth of knowledge about the subject and its experiments, who is credible in determining errors.I qualify to determine that.
I have a background in mechanical engineering.
>>156639Great. Would you like to demolish the trigonometry associated with a boat balancing on a lake while projecting a laser beam over the horizon? Huh?
>>156638Also, you dont strike me as credible; your bias is toward conviction, whereas my bias is toward skeptical analysis. Again, I point to the planetary shard theory (which still has flaws, but one mustnt throw the baby out with the bath water,... you know, like you lot do).
And even if you didnt have such a boas, you would need to be present at the experiment in order to effectively error-correct.
The best a person with any understanding could conclude from the laser experiment is that it is inconclusive and needing further experimentation.
Its not a one and done anon. Youre not pushing a theory, because you dont have the evidence to justify the theory. You're pushing an ideology
>but, so are you!Yes. I promotr by my skepticism the idea that if tjis were true, it would be overwhelmingly apparent by way of simple experiments; the inverse is true.
>>156640Knock yourself out, Ill get my popcorn
>>156640>Also, you dont strike me as credible; your bias is toward conviction, whereas my bias is toward skeptical analysis.My bias is toward MATH. It doesn't add up. Simple trigonometry says there is no curve, and this is the reason why no NASA priest will ever debate a flat earther, again, it is because math doesn't lie.
See post
>>149142 and end this pointless debate and hollow rhetoric.
Either you grasp math or you don't. If not, then keep silence and learn, faggot.
Also see post
>>149168 for a refresher on the supposedly curvature, which doesn't exist when you look for it.
I don't know about American education, but most middle school students in most countries can understand trigonometry and use a simple calculator to reach this obvious conclusion.
>>156645Thank you for those lovely diagrams. Now be a good little boy and run the numbers, analyze them, and then conduct experiments to validate the hypothesis; Ill be happy to show you where the errors are.
>>156647>Ill be happy to show you where the errors are.This is great and I'm glad to have you here, please go ahead, begin from the top of this bread and inspect the experiments shown.
Lighten this thread with your expertise.
https://youtu.be/GT7nmvjXC4UIt should be readily apparent that Im not trying to refute flat earth as a whole, thats an exercise in futility for the reasons neatly summarized in this video.
Im challenging you (not for the first time) to validate your own claims, and the certainty you assert.
My hypothesis is that when we get down to the details, I can tear your hypotheses/conclusions to pieces.
>>156648Ill reiterate. The burden of proof is on you. So, show your proof. Or, show where you have taken the results of others and applied them.cohesively, Ill settle for that.
>>156649>according to the Flat-Earth societyIt has been established in this thread more than twice that such a "society" is a freemason controlled opposition tasked with to ridiculize flat earth. Obama, Clinton and many more golems used to mention the Flat-Earth Society to scare away the normies from the truth.
And since you mention it, it is clear that you are not arguing in good faith because or you didn't properly read this bread, or if you did, you are throwing libels without care.
>>156651You misunderstand, yet again.
Im not presenting that video because I beli3ve the findings, Im presenting them as counter-point.
You seem to think you can simply post videos and that anyone who doesnt get it os in some way predosposed to opposing the idea, as opposed to seeing that there is two sides to an argument, and for every video or article that you claim 'proves' flat earth, ai can produce 3 tbat destory those videos.
Which is why Im challenging you to provide your own findings, self-derived or built off someone else's findings, that I can analyze.
>>156653The only conclusion I began from is, if there was any validity to the flat earth hypothesis, there would be cross-industrial cohesiveness to the findings.
Versus you, who is the one literally and figuratively using circular reasoning.
Ill give you an example from personal experience.
I used to live 20 miles north of Sacramento, CA. In the roght weather conditions, you can see Sac from there, 20 miles away. This should not be possible if using a spherical globe model.
But its not as cut and dried as >8 miles onjects = flat earth. Upon furtner investigation, you find that the Sac valley has a gradual geological slope, with areas of Sac AT sea level.
The appearance debunking is due to various factors being neglected in the experiment. Now, Im not suggesting that the errors in flat earth videos and articles are making errors as glaring as thoae, but that doesnt mean there werent errors. And untill the experiments have been exhaustively conducted with various individuals producing comparable results, all you have is unverified claims and personal conviction.
In my example, I would literally be looking at a city too far away to perceive, and if I so concluded without asking someone ELSE if these findings are valid, I would be concluding/arguing equally (though obviously more egregious) unvalidated claims and personal conviction.
You're entitled to your theories as theories, but you are not entitled to promote unvalidation and conviction as fact, not without redress. I dont want to argue people or positions or any of that, I want to.see the exhaustove data points and results. A theory is not made true by conviction, it is observed to be true in the face of incontravertable evidence.
>I did a weird experiment that didnt produce the results the 'globe head' model says it should therefore flat earth. No, I cant share all my data, but heres a couple measurements
is anything but incontravertable
The only explanation I could work out of how the earth could be flat would be if the entire 'planet' was perched on the nose of an alien(or whatever) spacecraft, but oh wait would mean space exists.
I maintain the perception that the shard earth is plausible, but that theres no actionable body of evidence the flat earth is.
Also
>satellites are balloons
You do know they still use weather balloons right? Like, theyre way cheaper for data collection than satellites. Seeing a balloon (maybe) and a guy saying 'what is that', and then make the extraordinary leap to say that all satellites are balloons is technically not deserving to be justified with a response, but I will cuz I like you.
So, Ill take a note from the Rittenhouse defense when I say:
Hocus pocus, out of focus.
>>156657>Seeing a balloon (maybe) and a guy saying 'what is that', and then make the extraordinary leap to say that all satellites are balloons is technically not deserving to be justified with a response, but I will cuz I like you.We are told that there are thousands of satellites and assorted space junk orbiting this supposedly planet, it is natural to expect that some of them regularly will pass in front of the moon and be seen, but this is not the case at all. This is a very peculiar detail. Just saying.
>>156660Zero doubt. It has been alleged that if one isnt oriented directly at the planet from space and look to the sides, there's a veritable fid of outside-the-atmpsphere depris, in something of a layer.
Which makes it increasingly dubious to attempt to credibly assert that satellites are balloons.
*field
*credibly assert FROM ONE INCONCLUSIVE, OUT-OF-FOCUS VIDEO OF 'SOMETHING', that satellites are balloons.
>>156661>*credibly assert FROM ONE INCONCLUSIVE, OUT-OF-FOCUS VIDEO OF 'SOMETHING', that satellites are balloons.Since there is not proof of the existence of space beyond CGI and freemason tall tales, but there is hard photographic evidence indeed of artifacts resembling satellites illustrations hanging from balloons, I'm inclined to trust my eyes and not the usual liars.
By the way, notice that Flat-Earthers base their conclusions on direct observations plus experiments, on the other hoof, round-earthers base theirs in just CGI plus faith on "licensed scientists" on a payroll.
>>156668>literally posts corroboration of balloons>round-earthers base their positions on cgi n shitAn unsurprisingly ignorant assessment. I think Ive done my due diligence in illustrating that you wont present your own findings for review, but are content to promote an ideology that you cant answer the most basic questions of, and are therefore an idealogue for.
(read: a shill)
>inb4 n n no, you are!Its not shilling to ask for evidence. Consistent, corroborated evidence, not a one and done. Its not shilling to observe that a claimant who refuses to do so and delegates to other unassociated youtube videos the responsibility to prove his point.
This is YOUR point, after all. You're the one shilling flat earth, and anyone who disagrees is subject to a crazy mind virus by the masons that prevents even the most credible of researchers as 'doing it for the $'.
No, you dont get to produce flimsy evidence and then claim that youve done your part. The standard of evidence is way higher than whay you present, and all you have done is attempt to question various elements based off random people's videos which I again assert are easy refuted. Oh, and meanwhile, those random one off videos are easily refuted by more people conducting the same experiment, but with better controls than those you present.
>pic 2Hocus pocus, more out of focus.
>>156673>literally posts corroboration of balloonsYeah, because the are actually balloons. Any doubt?
>>156673>Its not shilling to ask for evidence.Read this damn thread, then come back to apologize.
>>156676>read through all the ridiculous horsehsit I posted and then apologizeNo. And if you're unwilling to skip all the bullshit and just post or reference or even link to the posts of allegedly actionable data, why would I waste my time sloughing through? Youve already made it readily apparent where your position is, and your conviction to it. Youve further claimed that the data is 'in there somewhere', but cant be arsed to present it, even though they're
your posts and points. Its hilariously and cruelly ironic that you make all sorts of laims like 'circular reasoning' in response to these requests, and your defensiveness and deflection basically tells anyone obaerving what I have suspected but wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt about; you're an NPC.
But if you ever decide to cut the bullshit and focus on just presenting the data, Ill be here
>Awfully Irish Podcast. EXCERPT - Flat Earth
Stupidity has no bounds. When an imbecile throw pieces of information to sound smart without understand what she/he is talking about.
>>157196I can't argue against that.
>>157196You win this round
>>157196Mother Earth Pony.
Hi. I have been tempted by this theory for a long time, but there is one empirical fact that does not seem to be explainable from the point of view of a flat Earth, and I can't allow myself to consider its plausibility it until this is resolved. I know this is a long thread and I haven't read most of it, but I searched for "midnight" and didn't find anything, so here goes my question.
Why is there a "midnight Sun" in the South Pole? The only justification I have found for this is that anyone who says there is such a phenomenon in the Southern hemisphere is lying. But if the flat Earth model is to be considered, it needs to address the facts, not hide from them.
I really like the idea of flat Earth and everything it entails. It makes the world look more interesting, I'm not going to lie. It's why I want to believe in it.
>>157611>Why is there a "midnight Sun" in the South Pole? The only justification I have found for this is that anyone who says there is such a phenomenon in the Southern hemisphere is lyingThere is a video provided by NASA showing the sun supposedly in the night with a clock on the upper corner of the screen to try to demonstrate that phenomena. The glaring problem for NASA is that that video is obviously edited, as the same clouds repeat themselves over and over again when compared them against the clock on screen. So the midnight sun is busted from the start.
I'm not sure if some of the long videos posted in this thread shows that, but if I find it again I will post it with the appropriate title.
>>157613>There is a video provided by NASA==And, what about the 30 days of night that Canadians, Alaskans, and Russians all experience?
>>157611>Why is there a "midnight Sun" in the South Pole?>>157613>There is a video provided by NASAI found the video:
>Faking the 24 Hour Sun in Antarctica to debunk flat earthhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gsdHCcguqgMirror:
https://odysee.com/@DITRH:f/faking-the-24-hour-sun-in-antarctica-to:8
>>157744>they used image compression in a sped up video = flat earthDo you even understand the irony of the song in the soundtrack?
>>157615>==And, what about the 30 days of night that Canadians, Alaskans, and Russians all experience?I don't know about the north, I didn't research it yet, But perhaps the screenshot is related.
>>157745My bad.
The second link of
>>157744 is the right video.
>>157747Okay. Ill acknowledge the video editing.
How do you jump from 'dodgy editing' to 'flat earth'?
>>157748Sorry but if you cannot connect the most obvious dots, I'm not sure to be able to do it for you.
>>157749>being this excited over shitty 'proofs' to act amugI dont think you understand the standard of evidence. Probably why you're a flat earthrr.
>>157751>if petulent and inaccurate memes doesnt convince them, nothing will!
>>157808If that video passes as evidence for you, then you're more retarded than I thought
>>157809It is exactly the same evidence presented by NASA and freemasons but tested against real experimentation.
NASA failed, your baseless shilling also failed. Watcha gonna do now?
>>157811No one is shilling except for you.
You do realize that the size and location of the light source plays a role in how the eclipse is projected right? So, sticking a ball in front pf a light bulb is about the least credible of an experiment imaginable.
>>157812Dear 57 IQ ape, it is not the distance, but the shape of the shadow.
>>157814>cant tell that proportionate sizes has everything to do with the appearance of curvature over a vast and specific distanceDunning Kreuger, ladies and gentlemen
>>157815Try it yourself in your kitchen and let us see how it goes.
>>157816My kitchen is not arranged precisely enough to conduct a credible experiment, and Im not so foolish as to think otherwise. I hope you're the same anon who claimed an engineering background, cuz then you would know what precise ratios and calculations are required to recreate a suitably detailrd model for which such an experiment would be credible. When milling, I deal with precise measurements in the microns. You know what happens if a person is off by just 2 microns? The whole thing falls apart. You're suggesting that an experiment that is off by inches will fly just fine though. Thats not how this works
>>157817Do not misdirect attention to "precision" because in this case is irrelevant. It is about plain optics, or light propagation in other words.
>>157818The earth is an alleged 150mil kilometers from the sun, and an alleged 405k km from the moon. Thats a ratio of 370 to 1. There needs to be 370x more distance betwern the light and the earth stand-in AND its size needs to be proportionate to the modeled moon size.
That you neglect to account for that makes your claims utterly ludicrous.
>>157819The experiment is not about distances and proportions, but the shape of a shadow. Try it yourself lazy nigger, it is free.
Otherwise watch again the video as many times as necessary until you grasp the concept.
>>157820Lets put this into perspective.
A properly ratio'd model would have say, 370' between the 'sun' and the 'earth', and ONE foot between the earth and the moon.
The SUN with a calculated diameter of 1.39mil km would need to have the diameter of about 6.5". The earth, with a calculated equatorial dimeter of ~12.75k would proportionately need to be about the size of a pea, and the moon would be about the size of a peppercorn, just 1' away.
That would A. be vastly more credible experiment.
>>157821>distances and proportions againWhat part of your brain is not working properly?
Heres that pic from the video.
Please note, the proportions are 6.5" diameter sun, then 370 feet, then a pea, then 1 foot, then a peppercorn.
A football field is 360' long. There is more than a football field between the sun and the earth, in this model.
>>157824Playing shadow puppets with arbitrary sizes and distances will give you dodgy results, but the results are based on the infanti-level precision of the experiment. What Im saying is, that example doesnt in any way disprove the viability of eclipses, it only makes the videographer - and you - look foolish for presenting invalid findings as 'evidence'
>>157825On the contrary, it makes you look retarded. The quality of the experiment is exactly the same than the NASA one.
It looks like the problem it is in your mindset which only accept input from "authoritative" sources regardless of its validity. The brainwashing is strong in you.
>>157827Thanks for confirming the 'legitimacy' of your 'engineering background'. You obviously dont actually work in engineering, because you would appreciate how inane you come across to someone who deals with extreme precision and calculation versus anything but, and how a layman can look at a thing and assume to comprehend it right before getting themselves and people around them killed.
Obviously thats not an argument, its an inference made by taking your entirely ass-backward method of approaching the experiment and applying it to someone in an industrial context.
>>157828Your statement is based in faith, not science.
If you would have a engineering background, then you would recognize at once that NASA lies don't meet the scientific method and therefore they are null and void.
>>157829Who's going off NASA? I tend to favor centuries of mathematicians who did the work.
>>157830>I tend to favor centuries of mathematiciansAlready dis-proven theoretical science.
Let me be clear, NASA is full of shit. Im not talking about that.
Im talking about Copernicus and Galileo and so forth. Debunk THEM.
>>157831>disprovenCitation needed
>>157833You can begin with
>>148613 and then the rest.
>>157834I get it now. Your tactic is to deflect and persist until the other person gives up, concedes under duress, or their head explodes from trying to comprehend how someone could be so oblivious to their own folly.
I already said, Im not pouring through hours and pages of the most irrational caricatures of intelligence, just to try and locate the bit that 'you feel' debunks them. Ive seen plenty of the videos youve posted, along with all the strawmans, to know what constitutes evidence in your eyes, and I havent seen anything that does as you describe; it is reasonable to conclude therefore that you are full of shit because the evidence - in spite of your conviction to it and refusal to critically analyze it - says the same.
Speaking of strawmen
https://youtu.be/x59uV541sLI
https://youtu.be/danYFxGnFxQOr heres another one
Debunk
Calculus
>>157836>Debunk CalculusCalculus is good, what it is not good is the theory about gravitational forces which cannot be backed by the scientific method. Remember, there is a bunch of scientists
priests, all paid by the same establishment, who tow the line of planets and the "Theory of Gravity" which cannot be proven to exist.
>>157837>calculus is goodThen you might as well give up now, because calculus was invented to determine the sphereoid shape of the planet. That is its purpose.
It just so happens to correlate to vast swaths of other scientific constants, meaning that if they're wrong (including gravity) then calculus would not work.
Calculus disproves flat earth
>>157838>because calculus was invented to determine the sphereoid shape of the planet>Calculus disproves flat earthPreposterous.
According to history, Newton developed calculus at the same time than Leibniz, and the later was having none of the Newton's nonsense.
https://williameamon.com/?p=382
>>157839The principle Newton was unable to describe was electromagnetism. C'mon now, this is basic.
>>157840>electromagnetism>basicWant to dive into Aether?
>>157843Dependa on how you define aether
>The Greatest Laser Experiment In History - FECORE>The greatest and most sophisticated laser experiment. In this video FECORE will show how this historic laser experiment was performed. Thank you for your consideration. >FECORE is growing fast, our member base has doubled in the last 9 months and our staff of engineers has grown with very well qualified and educated individuals.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsSanuUNygISpoiler alert:
CURVATURE NOT FOUND
>>157848Thats the one!
I agree that one raises further questions. In fact, I seem to recall having this conversation ITT previously. Anyway, if the earth were non-spherical, the experimental distances would be far greater and far more readily provable. For one I would have to look at the specific mandlebrot section for the planet in those areas (hungary and budapest, iirc). For two, even without calculating extreme ratios, you're suggesting that 'if the earth is flat' you could see any part of the planet if you went far enough away. Like, assuming the illumination is sufficient with the revolving sun and moon disk, if you traveled far enough perpendicular to the ground, you could see all continents?
Why didnt they have a length receiver? You know, so they could adjust the angle of the laser and derive corroborative angles and heights? You know, trigonometry?
Like literally, that would be unassailable
>>157850See posts about perspective.
>>157851You should email them and ask.
>>157854Uhm, no, instead I will objectively conclude that the experiment has an insufficient sampling of data to corroborate and scale its results from, from which a hypothesis yhat WOULD lead one to proof of flat earth SCIENTIFICALLY. Like literally, just adjust/measure the angle of the laser, and record it. Thats all it would have taken.
>>157615I was asking about the South.
>>157613>>157744While I appreciate how NASA tells more lies than truths (as any official organism would), this is not enough of an argument for me. This is exactly the same as "debunking" psychic phenomena by demonstrating you can fake it with stage magic. It doesn't debunk anything. I'm afraid that's just a fallacy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jF349mX2lwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32YO4ku0xFQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUiw576aM00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eABjyxKDXENumerous people have been there and experienced what according to the flat Earth model should be impossible. Instead of calling everyone a liar, I'd like to see a flat Earth model that accounts for this phenomenon. That is the real scientific mindset. Adjust your hypotheses to your experience.
>>149965That's how boomers were taught to "learn". It's the same mechanism at work behind the Q anon phenomenon. Herd mentality, heavy emotional investment, groupthink and above all projection so that faults in one's reasoning (or lack thereof) are perceived to belong to the other.
Honestly, at this point, after having given it the benefit of the doubt for 5 years (and I would still be willing to believe the Earth was a thoroid, if it stood up to scrutiny), I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing was some kind of experiment on manipulation of the masses.
Now that I think about it, the parallels between Q anon and flat Earth are unsettling.
>>157892Glad its not just me. There ARE interesting elements to the flat earth theory and SOME (minimally) of their findings are compelling. However, they are compelling in the sense of 'why did the readings come out that way', and the evidence does NOT point toward a flat earth, rather it suggests phenomenon locally occuring in thenexperiment that skews the results. That we're not allowed to "peer" review the experiments beyond being 'told' what they entail is likewise telling.
>>157891>>157892>>157893Anons, if there is not a curvature then any further argument about Earth being a planet is useless.
>>157892>Now that I think about it, the parallels between Q anon and flat Earth are unsettling.There is not comparison, Qanon relies on Mossad bullshit, on the other hand, the Flat Earth movement on direct observation and experimentation.
>>157898>the Flat Earth movement on direct observation and experimentationDo you have any peer reviewed sources?
Galileo was imprisonned, not because how argued that the Earth revolved around the sun but, because he didn't allow his scientific studies to be peer reviewed and slandered anyone who dared to question or criticize his theories (Because, you know,
THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD IS TO CONTINUOUSLY PERFORM THE EXPERIMENT UNTIL A FACT IS UNDENIABLY REACHED).
>>157920>Do you have any peer reviewed sources?Flat Earth is not peer reviewed. There's a reason to it.
>>157897Not really. I want to know why there is a midnight Sun in the Southern hemisphere. I'm alright with "debunking" whatever model, including the "globe model" and all its cosmology. I really can stretch my suspension of disbelief as far as logical consistency allows.
But give me an alternative that explains the empirical observations. How does a midnight Sun in the Sourthern hemisphere happen?
>>157929>midnight SunAnd how you know that?
>>157898I was talking specifically about the memes. You can't deny they have the same flavor to them.
>very crude humor based in middle school finger-pointing and ridiculing>appeals to emotion and peer pressure>boomer-tier meme crafting skills>>157930I don't. Everything I "know" about almost anything (even most of the time I experience it directly) is based in conjecture and logic. Are all these videos fake and their posters liars? Can you prove it?
>>157891There are many, many such videos by civilian researchers who have been there and recorded it. Hell, I might go there myself and in many a flat Earther's mind I would become a Mason, a liar and a conspirator.
How many videos disproving the midnight Sun in Antartica in-situ are there?
>>157931>There are many, many such videos by civilian researchers who have been there and recorded itAhem.
You kidding, right? Anyone going there is on a payroll and bounded by legal coercion. No independent access is allowed.
>>157933It's expensive as fuck, but I hope to one day do it.
https://www.adventure-life.com/antarcticaI'm going to stop posting on this thread now.
>>157935I know that grift and read the contract the passengers have to sign before jump on board. Spoiler, those small ships only visit pre-determined outer islands and never reach the antarctic wall. Also the voyages leaving Usuhaia (Argentina) are in peak summer, or January in the South.
>>157924>Flat earth is not peer reviewed. There's a reason to it.A reason, yes. Reason, no. This is why the flat earth is utterly incredible. Peer review is where other scientists and practitioners get to recreate the experiment to attempt to find flaw in it, to exhaust whether there is any refutation. Flat earthers dont know the first thing about controls in experimentation, which is why they cant (and have stopped trying 'for a reason') submitting for peer review.
>There are no peers for new ideasGood quote, I used to have that posted over my bedframe as a child. Like many things, it can be distorted from the idea that 'having a new idea makes you the frontrunner', to 'having a new idea makes it unassailable, and the idea man is now the expert'. Thats childish thinking anon.
>>157937Any scientistute on a payroll can recreate the experiments disproving the curvature of Earth, but they won't because they will be destroyed for even to consider such a heresy to the establishment's faith.
Did you even read this thread? Because it looks like you have no clue about what had been already posted.
>>157940>gaslighting 101>You are not seeing what you are seeing>You are delusionalOkay, beyond the shilling and character assassination, can you prove the existence of a curvature and space? Or is this all you have left?
>>157943What would constitute proof, in your opinion?
>>157947I can't make your case for you.
>>157948How is illustrating what evidence you would find 'satisfactory' "making my case"?
>>157949Okay, let us repeat the cycle:
>>153856
>>157951So in summary
>Flat earthers dont do peer review cuz reasons>Youll accept evidence that passes the scientific method, which includes peer reviewErgo, you admit that Flat earth claims - which are not peer reviewed - do not pass the acceptable threshold of evidence.
>>157954Nope.
NASA heliocentric claims, on which you base your whole faith, fail the scientific method.
This thread is a monument to the truth and your hollow shilling a disgrace.
The whole point of peer review is so that other credible (read: experienced in the field) professionals can disprove or prove a theory's validity! It is equally about making sure the person(s) conducting the experiment didnt fuck anything up so that the findings can be validated. If flat earth theories ARE valid, where is the hesitation to publish? Let me guess, cuz masons.
>>157955To be cursed by the devil is truly to be blessed -Unknown
>>157956Just dropping by?
See
>>157924
>>157958Im
citing that video. You cant reject peer review, and then claim to allow (peer reviewed) scientific method evidence. Your whole premise is based on non-peer-reviewed findings! That you dont comprehend that is evidence of how flimsy your premise is. Its not shilling to ask questions, nor is it shilling to observe the answers and 'evidence', find it laughably unsupportable, and then proceed to illustrate in a variety of ways how it is unsupportable.
It IS shilling to insist that one idea (yours) is correct without an overwhelming volume of evidence, including the peer review process.
Calculus. The only evidence you should need - that fulfills the criteria of peer review, an overwhelming volume of evidence, and universally congruent models - is Calculus. Somehow, I suspect you dont understand Calculus, because if you did we wouldnt be having this "conversation".
For those just tuning in, OP is operating under the premise that Scientific peer review is NOT
>I have all this evidence of a new set of findings!
<What? That cant be right, let me see. Hmmm, seems plausible. Let me conduct my own experiments and Ill report my findings
and is INSTEAD
>I have all this evidence of a new set of findings!
<What? That cant be allowed to get out, NASA and the masons and every religion have decreed the goyim must not know
And thats just the start!
>>157959>peer reviewIf the governments' scientists would step on firm science then many years ago they had debated nut flat earthers and put them in shame, but they didn't and won't.
What we see is silence from them and propagandists doing the speaking. It is very telling indeed.
>I'm citing that videoAnd by doing so, you are twisting
>Your whole premise is based on non-peer-reviewed findings!So? No NASA propagandist will try to deny the zoom experiments neither the laser ones; instead they do the same than you: to ignore the evidence and double down with the globe lie.
>>157961>For those just tuning in, OP is operating under the premise that Scientific peer review is NOTBy the way, NASA claims fail the scientific method. There is not a curvature to be seen.
>>157963The 'evidence' for this claim is refused to be peer reviewed, but expects to be taken as credible.
>>157964Refused by who? When? How?
It is a fucking 1,000 dollars zoom camera a refusal to be reviewed?
It is to go to the shore and shoot a laser across the water a refusal to be reviewed?
It is to launch a camera in a balloon a refusal to be reviewed?
Any of the government employees wearing a lab coat can do that if instructed, but the won't do it. The means to disprove Flat Earth are easily available but they won't do it because they can't.
>>157965What elevation was the laser and the receiver? What natural movement of the boat was caused by currents? Showing a video is not submitting for peer review. Peer review is where you identify EVERY TANGIBLE element to the experiment, document it, and indicate how the presence of each element DOESNT throw the results into astronomical (pun not intended) percentages of error. It is NOT
>Heres a video of us doing a thing. You guys claim it cant happen but we did it see?
>>157966Lurk moar faggot.
>>157848
>>157967No u. That experiment doesnt prove shit. An observer cant test whether their measurements are accurate. The ONLY result one can 'conclude' is that more testing is needed.
>>157963>There is not a curvature to be seen.Have you tried replicating the circumstances, and accounted for all the influential factors to prove that? All you would need is to build a model of the Earth in proportion to a Medigus microcamera (Assuming that it would represent a 5'6" person and build the rest of the model accordingly) and see how it would compare in viewing results on a flat Earth model and a round Earth model.
>>157968Which, funny enough, is EXACTLY WHAT THE PEER REVIEW PROCESS IS FOR
>>157968>No u. That experiment doesnt prove shit.Suit yourself.
I just had a brilliant idea, have any of you ever thought of making computer simulation models?
All the tools are already out there for free. You just need to download Blender, Unity, or Unreal; build your experiments in those environments to reflect all of the determining factors and showing the difference between the results of a flat Earth model and a round Earth model. Then, once you post your results, distribute the pack (With a checksum to validate it's originality) for others to try out the experiment in their own.
Hell, even if you're not accustom to those environments, you could still try it in mod-friendly games like Half-Life, Doom 3, and GTA.
The only actually cost is the time it takes to build the experiment.
>more evidence
Vector Equilibrium
Let me explain why I feel the shard earth theory is plausible and the flat earth theory is not.
Understand, Nasa is full of shit.
>>157976>phone buttonsIm coming at this with a professional engineering applied science (machining and fabrication of metal and lumber), AND a thoroughly tinfoil hat background. I refer to the interview between Credo Mutwa and David Icke on youtube. I find Credos story to be plausible, and the overa4ching story derived of that is that the planet experienced a cataclysm, and a giant chunk of the earth is missing. This would coincide with the passing of planet X on the 'anniversary' of the astrological alignment with the Giza plateau. Thats going to be the subject of the next post in thr History is a Lie thread, spoilers.
>>157977Checking my dubs.
That theory allows for the
diminished curvature of the planet, while still allowing for spheroid geometry to work everywhere except the earth, as flat earth claims. The moon is a gravitational counter-weight to allow the earth to maintain a stable orbit, and thats also why we only see one side of the moon. Nazis did escape to space on spacecraft taught by the vril (nordics, theyre referred to), mars used to be fully inhabited, the solar system got fucked.
I dont contest history is a lie, Im saying flat earth is an unsatisfactory theory to explain errors in the official narrative
Ergo, Antarctica is either a giant crater OR the border of what remains of a much larger planet that collided with the earth millennia ago, explaining the downfall from the heights of Atlantis, where we coexisted with countless alien races. They all watched it happen, and we are what is left of those who somehow survived
Excuse me, thats not accurate. Its the border of a much larger planet that WAS earth, that is now a smaller shard.
But its not 'flat', thats absurd.
mic drop
Oh yeah
>Mars
Used to be fully inhabited by humans and other races, still is by multiple races with a small contingent of human 'ambassadors' as it were, became surface uninhabitable when the cataclysm threw off its previous orbit with earth
>>157982I havent been briefed or anything, I just worked it all out. Anyway, I guarantee all this shit is classified
>>157983>I guarantee all this shit is classifiedI've seen it for myself, it's all next to the classified documents about time traveling computers who have come to collect sperm samples of 21st century men and return to the 24th century because future humans have become sterile as a result of the moon colliding with the other end of our Earth shard and releasing all of it's radiation.
>>157983This is why the theory of evolution doesnt add up, this is why the control systems are in place to maintain ignorance in the masses and allow an elite class who literally control our every move (the masons ARE involved, Ill admit that). This is why media control, financial control, locational control. This is a prison-planet in that humanity cant leave, and certain factions of alirn do do crazy spoopy shit. They also aid those who properly ask, and metaphysics is the proper way.
But the earth is not flat
Consider the above rant the first 'official' summary-publication of my amalgamated tinfoil hat theory that includes and is corroborated by crater/shard-earth theory, and therefore isnt off topic lol
>>157984Hadnt heard that one, but it sounds plausible. Got any sauce before I dmor?
Also, the vaccine will have more to do with the sterilization of humanity than the planet strike, but yes there will be a planet strike
And now Ill do somethong flat earthers CANT do, Ill tell you why this matters.
Because its about to happen again. Planet x is still in its irregular yet stable orbit, and in the cosmic aftermath of its collision with the earth it now does a planetary flyby every 'so often', which explains the mud flood, and all the rest I will be going into in the history is a lie thread.
>>157989(it mightve been the moon that collided with the earth, one cant be certain it was planet x, but one could surmise that planet x was involved)
One might even go so far as to suggest that the moon is a hollowed out planetoid/spacecraft that used to orbit planet x but was deliberately positioned to collide with the earth, but that would be silly
>>157991>a hollowed out planetoid/spacecraft that used to orbit planet x but was deliberately positioned to collide with the earth, but that would be sillyWhy? Humanity is the only species in the known universe that can saw off it's only leg, then immediately get back up and start running again. Not to mention the horniest fuckers in the galaxy. Who
WOULDN'T want to annihilate us when we're the stuff of nightmares?
>>157992We didnt use to be, thats the point. The inhabitants of planet x didnt just wreck the earth, they fucked with the dna of the surviving humans and established their genetic offspring as the de facto rulers of a now stone age earth, with humanity as a slave race
>>157974I have built solar system models for fun in Unity and OpenGL before (to the point at some point I realized I was replicating Orbiter, the simulator and decided to stop before I comitted to such a gargantuan project). But I love making simulations.
There is a flat Earth model simulation on Steam, but it's a joke.
I once saw an animation that portrayed the spiraling of the Sun and Moon over a flat Earth in a way that was realistic. I forgot what they're called, but there's these circular paper things that have rotating parts and map the trayectory of the Sun, the Moon and the stars over a whole year. That could be coded and expanded to make a flat Earth simulation.
However, in terms of optics, to account for the way we observe the atmosphere and whatnot, such a simulation would require insane (and possibly not yet fully known) things going on with difraction and distortion of light, atmospheric densities, etc.
A semi-realistic simulation. In contrast, the required mathematics and physics you need to know to begin implementing something like
https://spaceengine.org/ are very basic in comparison. They complicate only as you ramp up realism and visual fidelity. And most important of all, what your simulation shows you matches perfectly with what you see when you look outside, from ground level, from a plane…, whatever.
>By clicking New Reply, I acknowledge the existence of the Israeli nuclear arsenal.LOL. I had not noticed this until now.
>>157980Wouldn't such a shard collapse into a spheroid fairly quickly (in geological scale) due to its own gravity?
>>158021Sorry for the triple post, but I just remembered. It's a planisphere. I once saw one like pic related with removable layers that showed the movement of the Sun and the Moon over the four seasons, and it accounted for things like eclipses, even.
But see, that's the thing. At its best, the flat Earth model is just a projection of observations made from a sphere into a circle.
And I say flat Earth is a projection from a sphere and not the inverse because so far flat Earth fails to account for a few key observations such as 24 h sunlight in Antartica, Moon image reversals, precession of the equinoxes or parallax in stars over extended periods of time without resorting to all-knowing all-powerful gaslighting conspirators or extremely complex physics and math gymnastics that involve new problems and contradictions with the existing model.
>>158023>key observations such as 24 h sunlight in AntarticaFor the time being it is only a myth as no independent witness can corroborate it.
>>158022I guess? I imagine it would depend on how much was left and what that shape is, but I could also see the presence of the moon acting like a form of gravity field counter-balance to offset? Pure speculation
>>158026Gravity doesn't exist.
>>158025>For the time being it is only a myth as no independent witness can corroborate it.>independentSee, the problem is that most flat earthers only accept their own experience there as "independent". They would sooner contemplate the idea of a family member who claimed such experience being a paid shill than considering they might be wrong.
Anyway, I found this video, which I think contains enough information to be implementable as an interactive 3D simulation. I'm getting really hard just thinking about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYv7gpFc_7o
>>158028>See, the problem is that most flat earthers only accept their own experience there as "independent".If the witness is on a masonic payroll and bounded by legal coercion, then it is not independent.
>>158029And the criteria by which you know whether they are on a masonic payroll is whether they are against flat Earth.
>>158030>And the criteria...For that you need to lurk moar. Redpilling is a process that cannot be hurried.
I've hit my first stumbling block trying to implement a flat Earth simulation.
In order for the terminator to be a straight line across all the meridians, the Sun light source would need to be placed at an infinite distance. Otherwise it's always curved. You can see it in the second gif in the OP. The surface on which that sun is shining has some sort of distortion. It's not flat (ironically).
Can someone point me to the measurements and distances proposed by the flat Earth theory? It would make implementing this much easier. Thanks.
>>158032>flat Earth theoryFact. The curvature is debunked.
>>158033Can you point me to measurements and distances so I can implement a 3D model of the flat Earth correctly modeled please?
>>158034The most accurate one, to my knowledge, was posted in this thread month ago. Look for it.
It would be great if any glober could explain the following, it is damning at least for the scientists and academics on a payroll since this detail in the heliocentric model cannot escape their attention and only willing deception can explain their silence:
>Daylight Debunks the Globehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlNhPXCH5cAMirror:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Daylight-Debunks-the-Globe:0
>>158036You cant grasp how the slight extention of progress (4 minutes a day) translates to a 90 degree correction over a 3 month period?
Lets get real simple. 4 min/day x 365 days/year = 1460 accrued minutes per year. Mathematically, that means 24.33 hours per year.
But wait now, we're going quarterly. Okay, 6 hours per quarter.
Hmmm, 6 hours per 3 month period. 6 hours is - wait for it- the amount of time it takes to rotate 90 devrees.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Try again.
I found a channel with a model that seems descriptive enough to implement as a 3D simulation. However, the mathematical hoops involved are absolutely insane. This is much more complicated than creating a 3D globular planetarium. And the guy has the gall to say that the globe is based on "mathematical impossibilities". What the actual fuck man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LREtlSGsCV0>>158036See
>>158037You can find many ways this is explained in the video comments:
>When the earth spins on its axis, it points back in the same direction every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4.09 seconds. It then takes another 3 minutes and 55.51 seconds to point back at the sun. Humans chose 24 hours to be from noon to noon based on the sun, not based on the position of the stars.>3:47 "how come no one else in the world before us ever discovered that the 24 hour day is incorrect by 4 minutes?">this isn't true, i can for certainty that the Romans knew about this as early and before Julius Caesar.>the consuls used to have adjust Rome's calendar regularly.>Julius Caesar wanted the process to no longer require Consul to perform, so he automated the process by simply adding the concept of the leap to the calendars
>>158028Another problem with flat earthers - specifically the more delusional variety - is that there is often a lived sense of helplessness, that the thought "Ive been lied to" is very gratifying, as it allows them to 'break free' of their 'intellectual bondage'. The problem then becomes that their theory is juvenile in the least. As Ive ind8cated, I concur with OP that the planet is not a sphere, or if it is its a highly modified one. However, one model co forms with natural laws and ohenomenon, whereas the other attempts to throw out things that are so observably endemic that one wonders. This creates a double trap. They cant go back to the pure globe model, and theyre supporting a model that is quite unsupportable.
Then they have to realize that they emancipated themselves from one intellectual prison and into another one, which many people simply are either unable or unwilling to do.
>>158039>Then they have to realize that they emancipated themselves from one intellectual prison and into another one, which many people simply are either unable or unwilling to do.That is an interesting observation. Not long ago I discussed with a friend how most people who "believe the Earth is round" do so because it is the consensus. They are, in fact, no different than most flat Earthers. They chose a consensus, usually by emotional attachment, and defend it as Truth when in reality it is Belief.
I think this crisis of truth and trust we are living in has the potential to emancipate a lot of us intellectually. To realize that as long as they are applicable to any part of empirical experience, models don't need to be exclusive. They illuminate part of Truth. And no model illuminates all of it anyway.
The problem lies in pretending any one model or map of reality is Truth, and is absolute. The Aquarian age is holocentric. That's why we're having crisis in which no dogma seems to be able to dominate, and it will be even more so in the decades to come. Only those able to transcend cognitive dissonance, duality and polarization will survive intellectually (and possibly spiritually). The rest will be forever NPCs stuck in the hells they themselves create.
>>158040It might just be semantics, but there appears to be an element of intellectual dishonesty to it. I freely admit I hve no first-hand evidence that the planet is any: sphere, shard, flat, pony. The confidence I have in the models I will argue (sphere/shard) is derived from their interconnectivity. Math constants lead to math constants, etc. Flat Earthers
believe (as in conviction) and proclaim "This is debunked" when its not, "This is true" when the evidence doesnt aupport, and impugn the motives of anyone who argues against. And the sheer arrogance is baffling.
>>158041>Flat Earthers believe (as in conviction) and proclaim "This is debunked" when its not,Let's go back to the very basics, if the curvature is not found, then the whole heliocentric theory falls in a spectacular fashion.
You can spin it any way you like, BUT, if there is no curve, then there are not any globe and space.
>>158045Please, continue to display your ignorance of evidence.
>>158046>evidenceDeny this
>>157848
Refute THIS (protip: you can't)
>>158048If that example is about the claim that the curvature can't be seen from the surface of the Earth because of its size, then let me take you to the very foundations of the globe lie and the beginning of this bread:
See
>>149071 >>149168Again, your post shows that you need to lurk moar.
>>158051It's about the claim that flat is justice, lmao.
>>158047Theres nothing to deny. More experimentation needed, I told you that.
>curvaturehttps://youtu.be/EQa4u_Xgy8QStart at about 41:00 to 45:00
See what I did there? I actually know what counts as evidence, and rather than demand you pour through shit, I focused on the tangible part. Thats what you do in an argument, instead of petulent demands and proclamations
And for more of the meta of Flat Earth
https://youtu.be/umo6pMCkcXs>pics semi related, but more to get that shit off the homepage
>>158055>SciManDanThat NASA shill is famous, there are hundreds of videos from him and about him debunking and rebunking every topic. Worth to watch for entertainment purposes.
>>158056I watched it a bit and is all about character assassination (optics) going so far as to call the opposition anti-semite. It is not serious and lacks of scientific arguments when the video creator has to resort to buzzing words.
>>158057So, you didnt watch the 4 minutes I specify,where you can see an ocean tanker halfway down the horizon?
>>158057>that guy is a shillLiteral strawman ad hominem. Two for one. Bravo. Also, you never claim he's wrong, probably because he understands evidence and presents it
>>158059>Also, you never claim he's wrong, probably because he understands evidence and presents itThere is something very interesting about SciManDan, for every video he releases debunking X, 2 or 3 counter-videos pop up to refute his claims. But it gets still more interesting when he launches a second one to "crash" the video responses and of course, more videos responding him show up. It never ends.
I stop watching them long ago because you will never know who really won the argument.
>>158060Thats a lovely exposition that in no way addressed the barges halfway down the horizon. Focus, nigger.
>>158061I watched a video debunking that video, but I can't find it.
Since I KNOW youre dumb and stupid, heres the stills
No, thats not redundant. Dumb historically referred to a person's intellectual capacity, while stupid refers to ignorance
>>158063>stillsThat has to do with the vanishing point of perspective, nigger.
>>158061We’ve managed so far to keep this thread to degenerate into name calling. That’s quite a feat for a flat Earth thread.
For all we know, the whole thing could be engineered to pit the goys against each other. Don’t fall for it. We are civilized spiritual beings.
>>158069*from degenerating
>>158069Thats not true at all, Ive been called many names thus far.
>>158041I have come across a very relevant reflection on this issue of knowing while reading The Ahrimanic Deception by Rudolf Steiner. This is not a coincidence.
>>158075Well, its more basic than that really. The opposite of Entropy is Faith.
>7 Rockets Hitting The Dome or Firmament>Video compilation of several rockets reaching the firmament above the Earth. We live in a sealed environment, we have never been to space.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmDj1MJyaY
>>158098Let me just clarify. You dont see anything wrong with that video, is that correct?
LOL the comment section is GOLD! Some of the finest schadenfreude Ive ever experienced!
Yet, interspersed are some comments worth sharing.
>>158100>Some of the finest schadenfreude Ive ever experienced!I know that feeling, it is glorious to see how fanatic and illogical globers are.
>>158101Might wanna see this
>>158063
More grist for the mill
https://youtu.be/rjYc8h3xt-E>Inside Flat Earth: An Exposè by an Ex-Flat Earther
>>158101>lol globers amirite?To this point, no. 95% of the comments are vapid "I believe!" posts, often displaying a fundamental lack of comprehension of how evidence, physics, and the scientific method works. But as I indicated, there are occasional posts showing these theories fornthe hogwash they are.
>>158103>Ex-Flat EartherI really doubt it. Once redpilled there's not going back.
>SciManDanNothing else to add.
>>158105Wow, rejection without investigation. How very consistent of you. Its no wonder you can unironocally believe/tout this horseshit
>>158106>rejection without investigationProjecting much? Huh?
>>158107>n.. no u!Lol, what else do you call this but ignorance (as in, ignoring)?
>I really doubt it. Once redpilled there's not going back.
>>158063I mean ffs, you wont even look at the photos. Because you know, those photos are impossible on a flat earth. I will reiterate, Im not saying the earth is a perfect sphere and Ive made that case earlier ITT. I agree, there are plenty of questions to be asked.
But these pics are impossible on a flat earth, which is why you wont look. Its a pity I cant A. repost the images, and B. delete the post (so I can repost the pics), since I know that even with Mlpol's way-better-than-4chan linked-post-view you wont even slick the link.
But just in case.
>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063>>158063For the record, Im being petulent because that seems to be the only thing that somehow gets through your skulls
For those of you who come to this thread to argue with those who made it, you should really learn to sage.
>>158110Why, cuz its gonna slide off the board if done so? Have you seen the /vx/ catalog?
>>158111How new to chansites are you? You don't bump stuff if you don't want to see it, because that perpetuates it. This is the same behavior that ruined /pol/, because the /ptg/ newfags don't know how to avoid bumping shill threads.
>>158113Whoever said I didnt want people to see it? Sunlight is the best disinfectant anon.
If (you) dont want to see it, apply filters. Shill threads are going nowhere cuz policy. This is about conditioning.
>>158114No it fucking isn't. This is the internet, and anonymous to boot. Don't spread shitty memes.
>>158116>no it isntYoure entitled to your opinion, but this really doesnt pertain to the thread. Your objections have been noted and summarily dismissed as immaterial. Anything else?
>>158117Just stop bumping it if you don't like it.
>>158120Just learn to sage.
>>158122Then just keep being a nigger I guess.
>>158123Can we get back to the topic now? Much as I appreciate the attention, its not pertinent to the thread.
>globers gonna globe
WOW! I left for a few hours and all these new posts.
Everything is perspective on flat earth.
>>158137Do they offer any proof or evidence to suggest this visualization, or is it pure speculation in an attempt to fit the theory? I mean, if flat earth were true as depicted, it could be confirmed by 5 people on a conference call, each operating cameras and surveying the sun.
Why hasnt that happened. It would be far easier than tbose hobby rockets and retardedly flawed laser experiments
>>158138*from separate continents
Also OP, would you be a dear and specify which version of the flat earth mind virus theory you orescribe to? Is it the firmament dome? Plasma disk moon and sun? Are they on the dome, or are they way behind the dome?
At what point do the observable laws pf physics cease to function, and/or what causes their appearance of function.
And the big question:
How long before a predictive model, in which the observable phenomena can be explained using a flat earth, that is cohesive with all the other observable phenomena?
>Space is Scientifically Impossible!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avsCM5lrfN4More redpills.
>>158144Jesus Christ,....
>cherry-picked 10-sec clipIm sure the revised explanation was ommitted because you're so committed to science, right?
>We put a beakur under a glass shroud and tha water escaped!It doest appear to escape, it appears to diffuse throughout the glass chamber, in fact you can see the point it forms a 4th phasic seal
Oh you dont know what the 4th phase is?
Unsurprising. When water molecules reach a sufficiently excited state - such as when being pulled in one direction by gravity and pulled in the other by vaccuum, they change their configuration from H20 and reforms as H3O2.
H3O2 is orders of magnitude more dense per volume, and is part of the active process that constitutes the Ozone layer that makes a pressurized atmosphere possible, however the water would need to remain in a constantly excited state. Like, if it was at the border of an atmosphere and a vaccuum.
<back to our exampleAtmospheric pressure is what enables gravity to operate as a force. Thats why outside the atmosphere (you could liken the atmosphere as an 'event horizon', though not an onerous one as is proposed borders a black hole) is a vaccuum.
>Sea level pressure- 1013.25>Space pressure- .0000000000000000133Golly, its almost like the greater dual-force applied on the molecular structure of h3o2 causes a magnification to the structural density of the water due to magnified excitation.
>The water escaped the beaker!Uh huh, its a vaccuum. Thats what vaccuums do, they distribute molecular material throughout the space until reaching molecular equilibrium. Try adding enough water to the point that the water vapor saturates and starts to condense (read: try FILLING the beaker).
The rest is a series of fallacious conclusions based on the initial fallacious claim.
Still waiting for you to rationalize those boat pics!
>>158145Correction, the last few minutes actually argues my point funny enough. Thanks for that.
>>158145>bringing forward rare molecules to obfuscate>all based on the mythical gravityAnd yet, gas masses and fictitious space vacuum cannot co-exist, it is an Impossibility.
>>158147>I dont know about a thing so its invalid, so gravity is fakeTextbook ignorance
>>158149>textbook blind faithGravity cannot be proven to exist. It is a theory, not a fact.
>>158152That is a true statement only in subjective perception.
(read: belief =/= truth)
Ill rephrase. Your conviction to flat earth speculation does not make it true, nor does it invalidate the testable, conclusive evidence that such speculation is false.
But of course you can plug you ears and 'la la la' all you want, Ive got plenty more evidince to produce for every laughable insinuated and poorly controlled experiment/video you produce.
>>158153>That is a true statement only in subjective perceptionYou were saying?
>>158155Whoa there, those are some awfully mainstream science sources. You said theyre all a bunch of masons, in on the deception! I guess they arent when it helps your argument?
>You were saying?Read the articles fgt
>pic related
>>158156>general relativity>Eistein pseudo scienceLet's go to the root of relativity and derived branches of "theoretical physics", it is nothing more than stunts with numbers that can't be demonstrated in a lab. It is also called charlatanry.
See
>>152559
>>158157Gravity only has the 'title' of theiry becausr they havent yet composed a model that accounts for gravity in quantum-physocal framework. Beyond that there are precise and thoroughly vetted (read: no one can disprove in spite of trying to make a name for themselves by disproving) their models.
Which brings me to the most glaring issue witb flat earthers.
Ego. Everyone wants to be 'the guy' or 'group' that has special knowledge and gets the crediy (or assumes the credit by identifying with the group) unique and better understanding. The problem is, it takes more than watching youtube videos to reach that point even if that was even possible in context.
Any day now, a pr3dictive model would be good. While I wait, address the boats.
>Beyond that, there are precise and thoroughly vetted mathematical models that conform to observed experimental phenomena. Meaning, the data matches the hypothesis, except when getting into quantum physics
Apologies, thats what I meant to say. I get all excited grtting to continually beat a person who wants more. I imagine thats what happend with Tyson in the beginning of that video, and why the clarification was ommitted.
>>158159>Meaning, the data matches the hypothesis,I beg to disagree. The methodology used by these hacks is to create mathematical models, not data, to match the hypothesis.
>>158160Its literally the opposite, and thats literally what flatties do
>>158162Ahem.
I remind you of
>>158157
>>158163Yes, its theoretical mathematics because it operates at an infinitesimal level that it cant be effectivrly measured with ones eyes. Its not like you can hold a ruler up to it.
And yet the same video that attempts to cstigate modern science by presenting previous credible - by the video's own admission - scientists [i]all of whom had directly cohesive solar and astronomical charts, only varying with the increased precision of the medium. Copernucus for example, determined the orbits of the planets, but he couldnt get it quite right becausr he thought that the orbit was a c8rcle rather than an oblate. Same goes for pre/post Newton, in determining the shape of the planet.
You cant say its all bullshit, and then cite past scientists with contemporary ones, claiming the previous ones were doing it right. Thats a logical fallacy.
Either 1. The earth is flat and its all wrong OR
2. The earth is not flat, and there are elements to the equation that we cant yet account for, given the limited capacity of humans and the amount of time its taken to get as precise as it is.
>oblate
Elipse*
Okay fine, Ill sage my addendums and corrections. Im not unreasonable XP
>>158164>Yes, its theoretical mathematics because it operates at an infinitesimal level that it cant be effectivrly measured with ones eyes. Its not like you can hold a ruler up to it.Isn't an overused example is the "Double Slit" experiment, where they keep having the results change every time the experiment is performed, prompting the logical conclusion that more tests need to be performed in under to understand it's intricacies.
And, retards foam at the mouth as an example of how "Quantum Physics is MAGIC".
>>158171Are you seriously trying to imply theres no validity to the double slit experiment?
>>158164>You cant say its all bullshit, and then cite past scientists with contemporary ones, claiming the previous ones were doing it right.You can in your particular case because, while Copernucus and Newton were raving about their flowed understanding of the universe, there was the Greek Antikythera device from 150 BC that was rotting at the bottom of the Aegean sea that perfectly calculates the movement of the planets, the sun, and the stars down to a T.
>>158172No, I was implying that the double slit experiment is an example of where more data is require to understand the phenominon, but that doesn't stop your average idiot from trying to use it as am example of how science is "magic".
>>158173So glad you mentioned it
>ancient greek device that accurately charts the planets n stars n shitAlmost like theyre in orbit around the planet that isnt flat, without negating the possibikity of orbits and shit
>THEY were precise tho, and we arent todayI of all people will not contest that ancient cultures were more advanced than modern day, thats one of the salient points of the History is a Lie thread. That you dont realize how that supports my argument is baffling.
>>158174>magicWow strawman
Expectations of the observer that has an observable effect on the experiment, are you denying that?
>>158175Wait, who are you arguing with?
>>158176Im arguing with the assertion that theres a firmament dome on a flat earth and that space is a fabrication, when there exost anc8ent devices by which that can be proven false.
Dear Flat Earthers
if the earth is not round why are Radio Towers and Trebuchets designed with the curvature of the earth in mind?
>>158207That's what we are told.
>>>/mlpol/331364 →Let me guess, they faked that too?
>>158252>they faked that too?In absence of space, that is the most plausible explanation.
>>158253Imagine unironically saying this
>50 Scientific Facts for the Downfall of Modern Astronomy (Videobook) >In the interest of preserving for posterity the wealth of flat Earth knowledge and research done during the late 19th and early 20th century, I am continuing a series of audiobook and PDF downloads to make them more easily and widely available. Today's selection is Ebenezer Breach's 1896 booklet "50 Scientific Facts for the Downfall of Modern Astronomy." You can download the free PDF here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/haj0ft8pllkitsy/ebenezer_breach-the_downfall_of_modern_astronomy.pdf?dl=0>Please Note: Ebenezer Breach was a literalist Christian and makes a few points in this booklet which are clearly not scientific, and potentially not even facts. He also made his own astronomical measurements and had his own figures for the diameter and distance of the Sun, Moon and stars which differed from other 19th century flat Earthers, who themselves didn't have a consensus, other than to always be working with tens, hundreds and thousands, rather than the heliocentrist's millions, billions and trillions.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk8hwjceGLoMirrors:
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/50-scientific-facts-for-the-downfall-of-modern-astronomy-videobook_x4FmCMlheQbd3qY.htmlhttps://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/50-Scientific-Facts-for-the-Downfall-of-Modern-Astronomy-(Videobook):8https://www.bitchute.com/video/N9xpGEDH2hFA/
>>158048Little girls truly are the best
I post this for the globers. I truly doubt they will grasp the concept.
>Black Sun and Moon Phases Explanationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCpj1kha4Ug
>>158414By the way, I understand that access to the north pole is also forbidden as men with guns are guarding it.
>>158416>men with guns are guarding itYou talking about the Russians securing their oil reserves?
>How the moon happenshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qo7uKmtA3YAnother one on the Black Sun and the Moon.
>>158414So, a model that consiats of more than basic sketches should be forthcoming right? I mean, if that actually worked, it should be a simple matter to make a predictive model right? Nevermind the
>the sun and the moon are hologramsassertion, lets see a model.
>158557>gets the compass and square backward>look guise, its totally the same! These arre the sekretz obs da maysonsThis is why most people need guidance and direction in their initiation. Its very easy to misinterpret and misappropriate meaning from occult symbols
>>158558>This is why most people need guidance and direction in their initiation. Its very easy to misinterpret and misappropriate meaning from occult symbolsYeah. It is not what it seems. It is all product of imagination. /s
>>158559No, it definitely requires a Cypher to properly decode it all. Without that cypher however, one does tend to get blown away on flights of fancy, as evidenced in this video
>>158560>CypherIf for cypher you mean Gematria, then all is already set. Freemasonry is Kabbalism for the goyim and its sorcery is almost public.
>>158561Again, if that were the case, a model would be easily concocted, with easily established values.
>Phenomenon Sun>Sun is an electromagnetic phenomenon and happens in a semi-aetherial field above , at around 5500 Km altitude.>It's diameter is 51 Km.>It is made from fluorescence and phosphorised Helium (He).>It is the pilot source of electromagnetic energy , giving it to the other inert gases below (Ne, Ar, Kr, Xe, Rd) , charging them.>These charged gasses are responsible for the colors of the daylight.>Cosmic electromagnetic energy comes from below (Black Sun) and hits the inner side of our toroidal field. >There is a prismatic refraction of this cosmic energy there, that separates it to (+) and (-), creating the Sun and the Moon at two moving spots with shape like lenses below where they are focusing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3g-k1X5AlY
To both remind flaggits which thread IS the flat earth thread, AND to propose a challenge which would give credit to the theory
We know gubmints wont allow entry to antarctica without authorization, whatever that REALLY means (again, no contest, its spoopy).
Why then doesnt someone sail around the perimeter of antarctica - in whatever way you want to visualize - and plot their trajectory? It would make very clear very fast which way the boat was steering, as well as the distances travelled.
>>158740>Why then doesnt someone sail around the perimeter of antarcticaRead the thread and search it for Captain Cook.
>>149114>>149115>>149629
>>158743Yes! Cook's account is valid, but inconclusive! But I know someone somewhere has the means to livestream the shit, in current year. It will take me a couple decades to manage on my own, but if it hasn't happened by then I absolutely will. Indpendently manned and heavily vetted and doxed for transparency. Like, everyone subject to the third degree
oh shit, that was a masonic reference! It literally was, where do you think the term 'giving the 3rd degree comes from? and made public.
And by made public, I mean in a convenient file attached to video records, not citations.
And for clarity, I mean sail at least once, with overlapped cameras cycling their video times ensuring all equipment maintenance is likewise filmed, with live location, compass, etc coordinates visible
Twilight knows. Equestria is flat.
>>158804Twilight is too smart to believe in a flat equestria
>>158816Equestria is not Earth. It could easily be flat.
At the very least, the sun and moon are smaller that the world.
>>158836Oh my God! Discord used a turn of phrase and the ponies are looking at a map, It Must be Flat!
>>158840Its Not Flat, And twilight is too High IQ to believe that it is.
>>158844It's not necessarily round either though.
Equestria is a fantasy world. It could be shaped like anything. The fact that the Equestria doesn't orbit its sun leaves the door open to completely different cosmologies.
>>159481>incontravertable proof of earth curvature that will be summarily ignored cuz OP doesnt like thinking rationally
>>159481>>159482Bullshit.
With a telescope can be brought it into a full view as shown over and over in this thread.
You are a deceiver.
>>159485>your photograph evidence of landmarks viewed over planetary curvature are BULLSHIT! cuz I SAY SO!Reiterating. Pic related displays curvature. Curvature is impossible on a flat earth.
Ergo, there cant be a flat earth.
>>159488Also, to clarify:
If one operates off the premise of this linked post, and the subsequently linked posts then OP alleges:
Ita circular reasoning(logic) to refute rhetorical/spurious posturing (see
>>159468) especially with unarguable photographic (read: not subject to interpretation) evidence or else it's 'bullshit' for reasons that you're not allowed to know cuz (you) are in on the NASA-masonic conspiracy
Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk
>>159490>Still waitingIf you believe Earth is round because a local optical effect on perspective, then you have a loooooooong way before to come to your senses.
The pile of evidence disproving the ball and cementing the plane is overwhelming.
>>159492>wont respond to literal still-frames that refute entire premise>claims others wont come to their sensesStill waiting on the refutation of Calculus, while we're at it, which wouldnt work if the earth was flat
>>159488It's spherical logic actually, you are just to dumb to understand it.
>>159842Both of these retards
>>150294https://youtube.com/shorts/TVV4TSi9A6k?feature=sharehttps://www.space220fla.com/Oh look, Disney made a 220 mile-high elevator, with a restaurant at the top.
Let me guess, its fake?
>flat earthers any time their shit is disproven
Owen Benjamin || M O O N W A V E
>Cavendish Experiment Proves Gravity? - (2:41 long)>pseudosciencehttps://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Cavendish-Experiment-Proves-Gravity-:0Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/W2tADYOxjQu8/-------
Transcript:
>In 1797, Henry Cavendish, the British scientist, Freemason, and wealthy grandson of the Duke of Devonshire, created an experiment which he claimed successfully proved the existence of gravity, measured its constant, and provided accurate figures for the exact masses of the Earth, Sun, Moon, and Planets. How did Cavendish achieve this quantum leap for heliocentric pseudo-science? He fixed two large lead balls on opposite ends of a torsion balance and hung them from the roof of his shed. By watching and recording slight motions of the contraption via telescope through his shed window so his mass would not affect the reading, Cavendish claimed to have proven gravity. Two small lead balls were hung near the large ones and any motion observed towards one another was touted as being the influence of gravity.>Now, the Cavendish experiment has been widely criticized by the scientific community because never in over two centuries since its creation has anyone been able to replicate it! Firstly, the balls simply do not always attract one another as they must for the so-called gravitational constant to be constant at all. Sometimes the torsion balance turns towards the balls and sometimes away as it is impossible not to give some slight tremulous motion when interacting with it. Henry even complained in his notes how often as he was performing the measurement the contraption was still in oscillation. Secondly, since his calculated force of gravity was 10^39 weaker than the force of electro-magnetism, from which all material objects are composed, there is no control for the experiment which can factor out and positively differentiate the alleged gravitational force, from the known stronger electro-magnetic force. In other words, the balls could simply be attracting each other through static electricity, a known force existing in all things, billions of times stronger than gravity, and impossible to control for the experiment. Even though no one could replicate Cavendish’s findings, the experiment went down in history as a great success, and is still taught as veritable proof of universal gravitation in science textbooks today.
Would anyone be willing to provide me with lore pertaining to the old suns and moons in this particular image? I want inspiration for my fantasy setting. What are the black spheres next to the moons?
I've considered that a flat realm may be more interesting as a design for my fantasy setting, and I would like any unique lore that the flat realm model uses that would be inconsistent with the conventional round earth model.
It would of course be a missed opportunity to make my planet hollow, but perhaps I can work with that as physics get increasingly funky beyond the ice rings.
Another question, in the flat realm spinning model, where does the sun go when it sets, and why would it appear to dip below the horizon.
Assume I'd believe whatever you told me, but don't spare any details, as want this for worldbuilding.
>>161189>where does the sun go when it sets, and why would it appear to dip below the horizon.Perspective.
Read the thread for the pertinent answers, most are here.
>>161190The thread is more than 600 posts long, so if you could help me out and point me to some post numbers, that would be much appreciated.
>>161191I'm sure it is just a matter of time for some anon come to the rescue.
>>161192It's also more of its own topic, tbh. I'm really only concerned with how to use this model as a fantasy cosmology. If anyone has thoughts/suggestions on that, I'd appreciate the input.
NEW - Mar 3, 2022CNN hit piece on Flat Earth>Why some people STILL believe the Earth is flat>Flat Earth videos rack up huge views on the Internet — but how could anyone believe such a fundamentally false idea? Daily Beast reporter Kelly Weill joins John Avlon on this week’s Reality Check to discuss her new book and explain how social media has given an old conspiracy theory a huge boost - and the best way to convince someone to leave these cult-like groups.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTSJC9Tmt4E
>Nikon P900 Stars- Real Stars and Planets vs NASA images. Stars are not what they tell us! - (4:51 long)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr6g7Pe92C4Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/9mmDFd0q5Lca/
>>162069>in this video people unironically think that a Nikon camera is giving them an undistorted picture
>>161378After watching both videos, I see no evidence for a flat earth. If you would be so kind as to indicate the part that you feel is evidence, that would be great.
Okay, after scrolling through all of this, I've gotten some decent ideas for my fantasy setting.
Question for flat earthers and round earthers: How can a world larger than Earth have a lower gravity? Preferably 0.9x to 0.8x.
>>162403Maybe if it were a gas planet? Lower mass should mean lower gravity.
>>162403Uranus hos very low gravity, mate.
>>162403Cull all the dense mf's, like everyone ITT
>>162403>gravityIt doesn't exist. Think in density and buoyancy.
That said, there are 44 instances of gravity in this bread with plenty of information.
>>160435So pic 4 does come up if you follow the link, it's page 35 if you follow the actual number of pages included in the pdf but 30 if you follow the numbers in the down-left corner of the pages.
Don't know what that means in the context of this document yet, though.
Maybe someday I'll go through this thread.
>>162417>Don't know what that means in the context of this document yetIt means that the military and NASA make all their calculations assuming Earth is flat, otherwise the math would be so incredible complex and unmanageable that all their projects will be unpractical. Not to mention that making calculations on the assumption that Earth is flat, the math checks perfectly out.
>>162408Uranus doesn't exist, it's a CIA psyop
>refuses to elaborare further
>>162425>Uranus>a so called planetSee
>>162069 as an introduction.
Zero doubt, this will be ironically weaponized but thats fine cuz you cant fake authenticity
>Antarctica Is NOT What You Think! [CLIP]>A video that should end the idea that we live on a globe with a southern continent at the bottom surrounding the south pole.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoX27ItX22MMirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/euyI2q1sZQZj/Full Length Video on Rokfin:
https://rokfin.com/post/80542/ARCHIVE
>>162583This is why Im on about flat earth.
I agreeIts curious/suspicious that there is no presented video of a complete 360deg. shadow. That should be readily available, easy to document and produce, and that it isnt being done is worthy of significant consideration.
Which legitimately leaves us with questions about why, and to what purpose. I know what conclusion
you lot wanna jump to, because you're an idealogue.
As for the lengths of the shadows,... I dont know if the videographer has ever heard of slopes. Cuz you can very clearly obser e slopes in all the 'elongated/short' shadow videos.
Ive said it before, Ill say it again. There are a number of unanswered question about the globe model.
However, there are vastly more unanswered questions about a flat earth model, and until such a time as a flat earth model can be producex, from which a predictive model can be observed and validated through trial, its lunacy to attempt to throw out the globe, especially withiut being able to explain why calculus doesnt work.
Any day now on that.
Let me rephrase that. Lets assume the earth IS flat.
Why then does calculus apply cohesively to a multitude of naturally occurring phenomena, except the planet?
Am I to assume calculus is part of the masonic nasa conspiracy?
Another rephrase: Why does calculus produce cohesive results that indicate a globe model if the earth is flat? If calculus were capable of quantifying and predicting all walks of natural phenomena with accuracy, why does that accuracy dissolve when applied to the globe, especially in that the same multi-genre cohesion can be observed to indicate a globe?
Simply
>Calculus is a perfectly viable, until you apply it to the globe.Why?Bonus points if you approach the question from an arbitrary standpoint, as opposed to starting from... your usual.
>>149639>>149962>>149974>>154733Golly, I wonder why these posts dont warrant an answer/response
>>162586>CalculusAre you referring to trigonometry?
>>162590Did Newton invent trigonometry to map the circumference of the planet?
Wow, a lengthy silence; I assume OP is versing himself with Calculus. This is not to cast aspersions on trig, its more to say that simplified equations on the internet will never give values that will match in-field values. The planet is far more nuanced than a simple equation or ratio of slope over distance.
>>162422>otherwise the math would be so incredible complex and unmanageable that all their projects will be unpractical.You said it, not me
>>162598>I assume OP is versing himself with CalculusNo nigger, I'm cooking diner after a long day.
>>162598>This is not to cast aspersions on trig, its more to say that simplified equations on the internet will never give values that will match in-field values.WTF are you talking about, math is math. Give some example where math won't apply.
>>162732Can someone explain to this nigger what relativity is
And whiplash
>>162733>relativity>whiplashMovies?
>>162733At least you tried
>>162600Newton's planetary calculations. Go on, explain where he went wrong.
>>162736>calculationsThere's nothing wrong with them. The problem is that Newton assumes a heliocentric system, which is a fiction of course.
>>162737Are you of the position that he didnt validate his calculations through testing?
>>162738>validate>testingThe calculations are fine, the issue is that they are applied to a theoretical model impossible to verify.
NASA and other transnational agencies claiming the existence of space are lying.
>>162739So thats a yes then? You unironically believe that he invented Calculus, but didnt bother to perform a single experiment to test his findings?
>>162740>You unironically believe that he invented CalculusYour words, not mine.
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz would strongly disagree.
>but didnt bother to perform a single experiment to test his findings?And how would he? Testing the numbers against moving celestial objects may match, but the core of the issue is if those objects in the firmament are really planets as Newton assumed.
>>162789There's even a specific wikipedia on this for Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_of_Norway>A straight line along Norway's sea borders (the coastal perimeter) is 2,650 kilometers (1,650 mi) long.[1][2] Along the coast there are many fjords, islands, and bays, resulting in a low-resolution coastline of over 25,000 kilometers (16,000 mi).[3] At 30-meter (98 ft) linear intercepts, this length increases to 83,281 kilometers (51,748 mi)[4] (see the coastline paradox)And then like that says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox
>>162790>Benoit MandelbrotYes, his observations on the dynamics of planes will very neatly put the final nail in the flat earth coffin, assuming we get to it
>>162791>his observations on the dynamics of planes will very neatly put the final nail in the flat earth coffinInteresting. Would you deliver?
>>162792(you) of all anons ought appreciate the irony when I say
>Spoonfeeding Request: DENIED
How are either of you retards supposed to convince each other if neither of you ever want to put in the minimum effort to "spoon-feed" the over party?
It's the same shit every week with you fucks. Ffs, just explain your viewpoints.
>>162794They enjoy the attention that they get from each other more than the arguments themselves.
>>162794Either side would claim that the minimal-to-moderate effort has since been applied, and in their specific mentalities they would be right.
Both parties feel justified in disregarding any/all of the opposition arguments, and point tontheir opponent's inabikity to see what they see as evidence of the other's folly.
>>162795>>162796It's all so tiresome.
>>162797Tired no longer friend. The horizon will always be flat.
>>162798>PicThis is facebook tier retardation
>>162799Welcome to the flat earth thread
>>162801And yet, globers cannot prove the curve, unless NASA told me so.
>>162802So how autistic are you?
>>162803>personal mattersStick to the topic.
>>162802Its been countless times, in countless ways, by countless methods.
A bit hyperbolic, the point being that (you) and your lot have JUST enough technical knowledge to THINK youve unassailable proof, when all you have is a bunch of experiments that need to be reevaluated.
Cuz thats how science works. When an experiment gives results outside the well-established expectation, you first vet the experiment, not the well-established finding. Becaude at the end of the day, theres more money in refuting a well established finding than the theory that comes of it.
I would love to be presented with the same experiment conducted by numerous people using different equipment and achieving the same/correlating results. But I dont, all I have is a bunch of niche attempts to conduct an experiment that dont pass the most basic threshold for anything more than data sampling.
And thats what (you) have presented as evidence, which when asked for specifics, BEGAN the infamous 'spoonfeed denied' campaign.
TL;DR OP cant put up but wont shut up
>>162805Allow me to synthesize the curve issue here: "Fake Science" fed by the freemasons.
>And thats what (you) have presented as evidence, which when asked for specifics, BEGAN the infamous 'spoonfeed denied' campaign.I disagree, you and your cohorts can not ask for specifics when the bread has plenty of it. And the very reason is because you are unwilling to research more, let alone to read this whole thread.
>>162806>this thread has lots of specifics, go now and find them
>>162804How can the earth be flat when its hollow? It can be only one, and its not flat.
>>162806How are the jews involved?
>>162809>How are the jews involved?Not the jews per se, but the masons.
Read the bread for details.
>>162810>Not the jewsOpinion discarded
>>162808That's why you need to lurk moar.
>>162811Oh its not just that its not the Jews, but:
the moon is fake (not a planetoid)
the planets are fake (cuz a nikon camera yo)
the stars are fake (theyre not stars, theyre... did I mention the nikon camera?)
and much more!
Go on, sift through thenpages of that shit. Or else you're a shill, or braindead. Thats OPs position.
>>162813>Thats OPs position.Actually is not only OP's position, but hard evidence posted here.
(You) have plenty of time to debunk it, and yet (you) squandered it with strawmans and character assassination attempts.
Go figures.
We pointed at two boats with lasers
we cant do simple math
our homemade rockets ran into atmopheric conditions, er, the firmament dome
ANTARCTICA
we cant comprehend scale, dimension, or circular/spherical-obloid geometry
... all for the low low price of hours+ of your time!
>>162815>we cant do simple mathNow you are being maliciously deceptive, aka dishonest.
The math is already set by the freemasons stating that the supposed globe has a radius of 3,959 miles, experiments debunk that in an unequivocal way.
See
>>149071 pic 3.
Stop lying.
Flat Earth is a Jewish psyop to make right wingers look like retards.
>>162817Sure, if (you) can debunk it, but you cannot.
>>162818I could, but you'd pretend that it's bullshit, like a good shabbos goy.
>>162798It does cut through the Earth. It's a magnetic field. What did you think?
>>162822Wait until he gets to the part about gravity 'not being real'
>>162822>>162798Оh, you mean compasses don't point into the ground? Compasses can't even point down so they'd just rotate on the axis they can point to anyway. But it's a field. It's going along the axis not pointing straight at the North. We see the same thing on smaller observable scales too
>>162823GRAVITY holds no WATER
*deflated beach ball*
>>162825>Flat Earth SocietyControlled opposition. If you actually read this thread you would already know it.
>>162826>Controlled opposition
Some rocket surfing the dome.
>Chris UK - Globe Lie Gamechanger>The following video portrays a scientifically proven analysis that not only questions the preconditioned narrative that we live on a spinning ball but also how that information has been packaged into a format that pertains to alleviate any doubt regarding the shape, structure, and multifaceted dynamics of how our world and the universe can exist. We can choose to follow the status quo and never question the world we live in, or, we can choose to disseminate the evidence, open our eyes, and realise that truth can only be obtained when science and our senses are coaligned.https://www.bitchute.com/video/Awq4-ETSTbw/The video has some math and might not be suitable for most ballers.
Flat eartherism is a psyop to distract whites from jews because there are no jews to talk about when it comes to radio waves or centrifugal force
>>162861There are freemasons and that is close enough as freemasonry is judaism for the goyim.
>>162861I feel like either way it's mostly just schizos, but this makes more sense than the other conspiracy. I still don't know what they gain from saying the Earth is round if it's flat. Best answer I've gotten is something vague about defying god because bible says it's flat
>>162863>I still don't know what they gainThe truth.
https://youtu.be/4Qpzl8bWMnIWhile not appearing to be a strict flatty in a literal sense, analysis of this guy can offer insight into the dynamic in which a flat earther conceptualizes and formulates their worldview and argues their case.
Note, he is at no point making an argument. His points have the appearance of arguments, but all he is arguing is his personal disbelief, based on a lack of comprehension of what he is seeing. This is the trap flat earthers beckon reasonable skeptics into, and why 'debates' and discussions with flat earthers never go anywhere.
Its not about arguing facts and evidence, because if facts and evidence were comprehended there'd be no argument.
Flat earthers insist on arguing their
diabelief, which is as subjective as what one thinks 'the best flavor of ice cream is'. Additionally, flatties positions (from their perspective) is actually insulated by a lack of comprehension.
Now, a skeptical person wouldnt conclude either a flat or a round earth, they would keep asking questions to determine which viewpoints, data sets, figures, and values are corroborrated by other experiments and data sets. Eventually, those values will coalesce into an aggregated spectrum of concurrence and consistency.
Flat earthers however have already jumped the shark and have wilfully vested their interest in proving/promoting flat earth rather than asking the questions that would lead them to a viable and predictive model that can withstand scrutiny.
In short, being a flat earther is about promoting a 'flat earth' - as in, an ideologue - rather than pursuing a framework that explains all the observable phenomena, while accounting for a flat earth.
You cant educate a person on how ignorant they are of the existing science when their worldview depends on that ignorance, and they will resent you for trying. Protip: thats what the Psalm(?) about pearls before wolves/dogs is about.
>>162875>but all he is arguing is his personal disbelief, based on a lack of comprehension of what he is seeingProjecting much?
By the way, that man is using his brain and bases his belief on a very real phenomena: entropy.
On the other hoof, globers base their faith on establishment's fairy tales.
>>162877If the earth is flat, why do Radio Towers work best when they are tall?
The earth is not flat, and Radio Towers are tall so their signal can travel around the globe better.
>Witness the Flat Earth Awakening of Owen Benjaminhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/IMn2izUymi90/
>>162936>African charlatanTry again.
>>162937Not an argument.
The point is: if gravity isnt real, the moon isnt real, the earth is flat etc.,
Explain the tides
>>162938>Not an argument.Pretty much it is. Taking seriously an African in art, philosophy, science, or logic, is preposterous.
>>162941Tides, wh3n3ver you're ready
>thinks an ad hominem is an argument
This thread, in a nutshell
Unscientific nonsense like Terrain Theory and Flat Earth are PsyOps to make any site that welcomes talk of it look unappealing.
Where do discussions about these things go?
Do the Flat Earthers have answers for why trebuchet calculations must account for the curvature of the earth to hit their targets, and why they miss their targets if they assume the earth is flatter or more curved than it actually is?
Can Terrain Theorists explain Antibiotics?
>>162946>psyopConcurred
https://youtu.be/he-7vs0BkLEOne should draw their own conclusions
>>163010>One should draw their own conclusionsI did.
DITRH allowed the glober to win. Why? I don't know.
Going straight to the basic facts: If there is not curve, then there is not planet, then there is not space, then there is not universe, and the whole fake science comes down in a spectacular fashion.
>>163010This is a summary of the debate. Very poor indeed.
>>163011>DITRH allowed the glober to winYou have evidence of this?
>curveI already showed you, ITT, with evidence from one of your fancy Nikon P1000's.
>>163014So are you the same guy that spergs about the KGB?
>>163015Flail harder flatty.
Tide
Go on, explain it. Cuz the tide has been a thing since during EVERY-centric, every curve-or-not-curve culture.
Be a good lad, tell me how the tides work.
It should be easy, I could map it quite simply using many flat earth pizzas. The why or how though....
>>163015Yeah, it is he same kike.
>>163019Deflect harder flaggit.
The Tide. Any day now.
I call it the roving titty model. This accurately displays the phenomenon of tidal forces, on the flat earth. Cuz its totally flat y'all
Overhead view.
See how the nipple represents the peak of the tide on the respective half of the pizza, the titty expanding ourward in an ovoid titty shape. Dont question it, boobies
sideways view, line pointing toward north pole
>>163013>>163023>>163024>>163025>tidesI don't know much about tides, but you look obsessed by then.
So I investigated a bit and I found the usual sources claiming the existence of the moon's gravitational force as responsible. Of course that's pure non-sense based on faith. Then I went to a reputable source to find out about and perhaps to please your curiosity.
>Eric Dubay: Cause of the Tides (13:53 long)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEP3zhso8jEMirror:
https://odysee.com/@TheFlatEarthAwakening:0/eric-dubay-cause-of-the-tides-on-flat:bhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/3kYRA7SE8We6/
>>163033>I dont knowHoly shit! Shocking. Thats the first scientific position youve taken all thread. Are you feeling okay?
Meanwhile, Dubay
>It doesnt make sense to me so its bullshitYeah, he says that alot. I did get a laugh out of pic 1 tho
>pic 2Is that a hollow earth diagram?
>Mount Meru at the north poleCitations Needed
Seriously, Im curious about this, and anecdotes dont cut it. If these e plorers found it, it should be repeatable.
Again, this seems to support hollow earth because meanwhile....
Gonna get spec ific now, because the debate had a designated time structure.
How is this phenomenon possible?, where the stars can be observed to rotate in opposite directions, if its a flat earth?
https://youtu.be/bvi9jjyVuGoNot sure what current events look like, but was very interested to see that Dubay has been somewhat uninvoted from FE conferences and panels? Ngl, I find his position on the Holocaust, Jews, and international finance to be quite CREDIBLE. Ngl, this is the first time he has said anything that make me want to have sterilized his parents
>>163036*makes me not want to have
>>163033>a reputable sourceAre you being serious?
>>163077Unironically, he is serious
>>163077Absolutely. Dead serious.
>Cosmology Has Some Big Problems>The field relies on a conceptual framework that has trouble accounting for new observations>What do we really know about our universe?>Born out of a cosmic explosion 13.8 billion years ago, the universe rapidly inflated and then cooled, it is still expanding at an increasing rate and mostly made up of unknown dark matter and dark energy ... right?>This well-known story is usually taken as a self-evident scientific fact, despite the relative lack of empirical evidence—and despite a steady crop of discrepancies arising with observations of the distant universe.>In recent months, new measurements of the Hubble constant, the rate of universal expansion, suggested major differences between two independent methods of calculation. Discrepancies on the expansion rate have huge implications not simply for calculation but for the validity of cosmology's current standard model at the extreme scales of the cosmos.https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/cosmology-has-some-big-problems/Take a comfy seat and enjoy an admission of scientific baloney when claims that are stated as fact are just deliriant theories. Hypothesis are not facts, but just speculation.
>>163085But you said that outer space was fake
>>163090Correct. Cosmologists base their theories on a false paradigm.
>>163091But the guy in the article mentions the space telescopes. Is he in on the con?
>>163093I have to guess that it is the same case like the normies. They believe that the "data" and "CGI" is real.
>>163094But this is the same guy you're presenting as refuting the con. So which is it?
>>163095>So which is it?It is that you have comprehension difficulties.
The guy is not refuting the con, but admits that establishment' scientific theories are shaky at best and driven by ideology, not facts.
>>163096But its Scientific American, arent they like the head of the Freemasonic Jewish round-earth psyop? Shouldnt we be distrusting them?
>>163109>playing riddlesTry harder.
>>163110Im just clarifying that unless they say something that you think supports your argument you present them as relevance, but the 99.99% of the time they go against your argument that theyre Nasa-masonic shills in on the psyop.
>>163112So 99.99% of the time theyre actively involved in the psyop, which is something you can arbitrarily determine just by who they are, EXCEPT for 0.01% of the time when they are saying something that still supports the other 99.99% of their content (which you have already 'refuted'as 'disinfo'), but tangentially gives a nod to the need for more expansive models.
Nothing about his paper says anything that refutes a spherocal earth model, in fact the entirety of the content is based around such models.
In what way was posting that article credible to a flat earth position?
>>163113I believe you are projecting and what you describe applies to (you).
You consider the information valid if only comes from oligarch funded sources, but independent ones are dismissed. But when some of the first bring doubt, you resort to a futile attempt to discredit OP's deluge of facts.
>>163114>literally claims that round earth science is a psyop>literally posts a mainstream publication that institutionally supports the round earth>Gets called out for it>Nuh uh, its (you) who does that
Heres a quick way to observe that the flat earth model is BS.
How come, if the sun is actually a disk some thousand miles away, why does it never distort in perspective?
If the earth were flat, the disk that is the sun would appear increasingly oval over distance due to perspective.
Clarifying for posterity
If the sun (and the moon) were disks, the only way they could appear as round is if they were perfectly perpendicular to the observer's position. As such, a person on the east coast viewing the evening sun could not see a round sun at the same time someone on the west coast viewing the afternoon sun perfectly round.
Unless.
A. The sun was actually impossibly far away
and/or
B. The sun is a sphere
>>163118>Clarifying for posterityEww, no.
You are obfuscating for posterity.
From where did you get the idea that the sun and moon are disks?
>>163118I give you a hint.
@163121
This, sun's literally just a giant lamp from the heavens
>>163121>where did you get the ideaIts been proclaimed by many of the 'sources' ITT, including you implicitly, in your attempts to claim that the planets/space phenomenon in general is a psyop.
>>163122Imagine thinking this is an intelligent post
>>163125Actually a wise post.
>>163124The idea that the moon might be a disk has some ground, but it has not been proven, the same goes for the sun.
See the translucent moon and through it, a star.
>>163118>Clarifying for posterity>If the sun (and the moon) were disks, the only way they could appear as round is if they were perfectly perpendicular to the observer's position. As such, a person on the east coast viewing the evening sun could not see a round sun at the same time someone on the west coast viewing the afternoon sun perfectly round.Ahem.
>>163129You're not seeing the blue sky behind it, you're seeing the sky in front of it.
The sky is milky blue because of the color of the atmosphere. The moon is beyond the edge of the atmosphere, so part of it that isn't illuminated looks like the sky.
>>163132>>163134>Source: some random faggotThe only thing gayer than deboonking with snopes is deboonking with quora.
>>163132>Taking a pedophile as a source
>>163135Do these pedos draw their power from glober souls?!
>>163132>Blue fogIt is speculation and I didn't find any research about it.
Still, why a supposedly solid object in the sky let us see stars through it remains a mystery.
>whataboutism
Don't worry anon, we all know it's just those pesky G5 towers dumbing you down.
Would you consider the possibility that the moon is actually self-luminescent?
>>163144It's reflective. It reflects the flight of the sun from the illuminated side.
>>163142Make an actual counter-argument.
When this thread inevitably gets re-made, make sure it has IDs so that we can have real arguments with consistency.
>>163147But anon, the flatty doesnt WANT arguments with consistency, he cant even be bothered to make arguments other than to point at videos and say 'its in there somewhere'.
Meanwhile if you post something incontravertable - and dobthe labor of providing screenshots, he'll ignore it entirely or (worse) will refuse to acknowledge the evidence.
Like here:
>>159481Speaking of horseshit, remember this time?
Fuck IT, lets make it a double-feature! LITERALLY!
https://youtu.be/3OfbwhU5PQk
>>163308I just think there'd be better discussions if it were more obvious when posters made arguments that directly contradicted each other.
>>163130You don't see specular highlights on the moon because it's a very rough object with a high brightness. Here's it in blender
>>163310I admire your optimism
>>163147Seriously though, why would it get remade? You do know that there's no bump-limit on /vx/ right?
>>163331Yeah. The thread is fine how it is.
Globers' bullying can't stop the truth.
>>163332Yeah, this is the flatty, who doesnt want ids.
I didnt say there wasnt anything wrong with this thread, only an idiot would think that (proven right again), and lo along comes the idiot to proclaim such.
I was just alluding to the fact that there is no need to repost a thread cuz golly gee, I wonder WHY threads on /vx/ dont have a bump limit.
Thats disingenuous, I know exactly why, I just wonder if anyone ELSE thinks it was a bad idea
>>163331Threads have bump limits, they just don't slide.
>>163333I think all boards could benefit to have shorter bump limits, tbh. It's unhealthy for threads to go on this long.
I might make a thread about the ideas that come with flat-realm cosmologies in fantasy settings.
A lot of conventional fantasy settings assume a standard planetary model for their material planes, but have infinite/expanding flat realms for their extraplanar space. The concept of an infinite flat realm surrounded by concentric ice rings where the borders of reality grow thin is a world-building cosmology I want to experiment with; it could be good for pony-themed games.
The ice rings could be something like the Dark Continent in the Magi setting. Perhaps also a shadowy spot in the center of creation where new suns are born.
>>163334Incorrect, /vx/ bump limits were removed
>>163335>It's unhealthy for threads to go on this long.What happen? Is truth too hard for ya?
Imagine being so ignorant that you insulate yourself from your own incompetence and then smugly shove it in everyone's face, under the pretemse that everyone ELSE is stupid.
>>163341No, it's that threads dragging on for a long time without being remade causes decline in discussion quality within those threads.
I was referring more to the main board though.
>>163342Better you should prove Earth is round. Can ya?
>163344>>159481Waiting on you sweet-cheeks
>>163348>>163349Do you realize the huge effort NASA and its followers are putting to shut up just a tiny minority who disagree? Quite remarkable. Isn't it?
>>163350>You do realize theres alot of people telling me Im an idiotMaybe, just maybe, you ARE an idiot
>>163351Name calling doesn't make Earth a ball.
Try again with facts next time.
>>163353Well every time I do you either cant comprehend them, call the authors/videographers names, or outright ignore incontravertable evidence. So no, you get what you fucking deserve
>>163350>huge effortNot really.
>>163361>Flat Earth Society>controlled oppositionTake a hike, shill.
>>163361>low effort shillingYou have to come with something more creative. For example explain why there is not curve at all.
>>163363Why would I lie though?
Transoceanic flights prove a flat earth.
>>163365>trans-atlantic flights dont go direct from the bottom of africa to australia>flat earth is the ONLY explanationLiterally lmao rn, ty
>>163366>unable to connect the dots(You) must be college educated.
>>163367>music and psychologyGuilty
So, in your 'dot connecting', where does profit motive apply?
>>163368>music and psychologYou don't qualify to evaluate even physics 101. That said, read a book nigger.
>>163369Oh, thays just college. That is what you said, college.
I got my engineering creds - which people actually pay me money for, enough to have employees, no less - from a trade school. But, accredation is an appeal to authority argument, and has no bearing on the discussion.
And speaking of no bearing on the discussion, in an ironic parallel to ITT, here's the latest Flat Earth Fridays!
Credit, I was oblivious to Sci Man Dan until this thread showed up https://youtu.be/2huZYKlAdVQ
>>163370>Sci DanThat paid shill together with all NASA spoke persons won't debate Eric Dubay. There has to be a reason for them not to take that golden opportunity to shame and discredit the Flat Earth poster boy.
Interestingly, the same scenario applies to holohoax propagandists who always decline to debate holohoax debunkers.
>>163376>Flatty's cannot dispute this.Interesting details. And yet heliocentrism is not holding water, the announced curve cannot be found, then the globe is a fantasy.
>>163376As usual, surely Globebuster made an answer video to the glober. Videos of answer and counter-answers (polemic) populate jew-tube. By posting that Sci-fi Dan video, you are posting a partial view on the subject.
Take in count that OP refrains from posting this kind of crap and sticks to the facts.
>>163379>sci fi danNgl, thats hilarious, cuz its not wrong. Still, this is the flat earth thread so this is where such content applies, whether in support or in contest of flat earth
ahem theory. Gives an idea, actually; youll see.
>based nasaponr
https://youtu.be/zixc8eojZdgHeres a 25 minute video showing the very slow process of a distant supertanker deacending over the horizon.
Pay specific attention to how OP reacts to yet more incontravertable visual evidence of curvature
Recommended at 2x speed
>>163017Because the sensors are square. But the lens does add barrel distortion, it's just slight enough in most cases that you don't notice it. In 3D renders people add in fake distortion to make it look more realistic
Actual photo of a straight building
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SpyTP7rdwv6N-cA9VToYfBIS8yj6lg5Py2XfOeo488Q/edit#slide=id.g141444f9b3_1_251>>163365The reasoning for this could be as simple as the winds being strong or them not wanting to risk having a problem while being in the middle of nowhere to land. But I'm guessing there's also some economy to it, since flights aren't always simple A to B but can have people going to multiple different destinations and if you go a path that's close to many others you can make dropoffs for all of those places, and load on new passengers, places probably more worthwhile than Africa
How do you explain flight paths being curved most of the time? Including, yes, when they do actually go from Africa to South America or Australia
If you flattys get some flat earth bitch to suck my cock I might start shilling for it.
>>163507Die in fire
>t. globey
>>163507And yet, this realm is flat.
>>163508Rude
>>163509It could be for a price, until then it's round.
>>163510>until then it's round.Prove it!
>>163511The Burden of Proof is on (you) by the way don't just say "Hurr Look at da thread"
People in the middle ages didn't even believe it's flat.
>>163512>People in the middle ages didn't even believe it's flat.Not true.
What you call "people" were a bunch of freemason satanists spouting kabbala teachings. Heliocentrism is opposed to the our natural senses and is debunked by experimentation.
Real "people" from before and after the middle ages knew Earth is flat.
>>163513Why would freemasons waste so many resources from the middle ages up until the present trying to convince everyone that the planet we are on is flat?
>>163515>meme arrow instead of just telling me>linking to a 30 minute video without timestampsC'mon you gotta do better than that if you want to convince me.
>>163516>B-but.. why?>linking to a 30 minute video without timestampsI knew it. You won't do any research whatsoever.
>>163517>More meme arrows instead of just telling me why the masons would waste their most precious recourses on perpetuating a scam on a global magnitudeYou know. if I asked some /pol/ack why jews do what they do he could give me a straight answer
>>163518>if I asked some /pol/ack why jews do what they do he could give me a straight answerSadly I can't give you a pol/ack answer, it is forbidden by rule #7.
>>163520>*Snap*Yep, you're a retard.
>>163522Hardly when it is you who won't research and choose to parrot heliocentric falsehoods.
>>163513>mideval freemasonsPlease, PLEASE attempt to validate this point, I beg (you).
>>163520>I cant cuz da roolzUhm,... what?
>>163523No no, you opened this can of worms.
How do site rules prohibit you from simply answering the question?
>inb4 the site is staffed by masons
I wish IDs were turned on so I could call out the faggot(s) that ignore my points whenever I post them in reply to some dumb meme they post.
>>163482 >>163311 >>162824 >>162790 still waiting
The threads all dumb memes and bickering about "AD HOMINIM" or "BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU" because the flat earth fags can't do anything else
Today's Flat Eart Friday was boring, just some loon reeeeing about how video of the International Space station can't be real cuz this one guy's collar moves at this point, and how its probably a green screen in spite of them passing a floating microphone around.
So instead, here's a vid where Sci Dan and Prof. Dave go over the main proofs from Dave's debate with "DITRH", for those who dont comprehend the citations.
https://youtu.be/26UkTow1RRoOriginal post
>>163010
>>163538>>163685>Sci-Fi DanAnd yet, how come the curvature can't be found?
>33.63 miles No curvature..Againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6kOOvNLuGY
>>163690I trust you're going to pretend all the proofs posted in your absence dont exist?
>>163697>all the proofs postedSeriously?
Any pseudo proof is rendered null if not a curve is found.
>>158063Try to comprehend it this time
>>163697Sorry fren but there is point where you have to face the Plane.
>>163701How come its only in obscure locations and by dodgy indivoduals that results like this manifest? How come when there are proper controls, equipment, and documentation, the results show curvature? Like the 15deg tilt gauge incident?
Ahem
>>163525
>>163704>How come when there are proper controls, equipment, and documentation, the results show curvature?Simple, if the faggots doing the measurements and equipment are paid by the occupiers in power, the results will always be the same lies.
Independent research discovers what the globe religion won't tell.
>>163781I get it now. Flat Earth is conceptually a hierarchy structured around scientific invompetence (umbrella term representing the various fields that unanimously, cohesively, and uniformly present an array of results among them a spherical earth), where the greater one's assertiveness and incompetence, the further 'up' the hierarchy.
>>163783>cohesively, and uniformly present an array of results among them a spherical earthMost of those results are not valid at all as the (((occupiers))) won't allow travel beyond the 60th Parallel and claim a monopoly on ship's traffic rights.
>>163785speaking of Antarctica and/or "the Antarctic Ice Wall"
lolIF the flat earth pizza were a thing
THEN the length of distance in the lower hemisphere to circumnavigate the planet would be vastly greater than the distance to circumnavigate the planet in the upper hemisphere, exponentially so.
In a globe, the upper hemisphere is equidistant to the lower hemisphere.
In a flat earth, the upper hemisphere is a fraction of the distance around the same latitudinal position
>flat earth
The circumference of the line closer to the north pole is much less than the like that goes near the ice wall, represented by the border. And yet, is this reflected in navigation?
>>163786>THEN the length of distance in the lower hemisphere to circumnavigate the planet would be vastly greater than the distance to circumnavigate the planet in the upper hemisphere, exponentially so.That's correct.
Search for captain Cook in this thread, he sailed like 70,000 miles trying to go around Antarctica, but he couldn't cos' Earth is a plane.
>>163788And yet, is this reflected in navigation?
Everyday.
Search for flying routes in this thread.
>>163790>NavigationPlanes are based on profit motive, of getting as many people from everywhere to everywhere else. Its not like when you buy a plane ticket they fly ONLY YOU nonstop to wherever, unless you charter a plane for ~1.5 million. The failure to grasp how profit motive affects air traffic and flight plans is one of your most laugable bits of incompetence.
>CookYes, your idiocy on that has already been addressed. Heres the reminder!
>>149629>Cook>149629
>>163795>how profit motive affects air traffic and flight plans Are you implying that all air traffic control and navigators have successfully been bribed into concealing the shape of the earth?
>>163796>denial plus sticking to the brainwashing programmingLet us check what some technical guy has to say out:
>US Navy Missile Instructor Proof of Service - Flat Earth - Mark Sargenthttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z5jWs-xZiaEMark Sargent is a Flat Earth researcher and cat is out of the bag.
Allow me to shill some Firmament models.
Not mine but they are cool nevertheless
https://flatearthmodels.com/
>>163812Orreries are cooler.
According to flat earth, the distance between blue x and y, and red x and y is:
A. the same
B. blue is greater distance than red
C. red is greater than blue
D. omfg, masonic nasa shill
Its friday again! Today's FEF starts off with Bob proving the planet's rotation!
https://youtu.be/CXylB6HPHRk
>>163816These are the worst and most retarded memes I have ever seen.
>>148613Maybe Flat Earth is a CIA PsyOp to make legitimate conspiracies look silly by comparison.
Radio towers are tall because short ones aren't as good. Shoet ones aren't as good because the earth is round.
Catapult and Trebuchet users centuries ago accounted for the curvature of the earth when calculating and aiming because the earth is round.
We have seen space.
We have landed shit on asteroids.
We have launched sattelites into space and used them, so we know they are there.
The planet is a round speck in a vast ocean of astral bullshit. Sorry, but we are not a flat plane rotating on the back of four elephants on the back of a turtle.
>>158065>>159492>If you believe Earth is round because a local optical effect on perspective, then you have a loooooooong way before to come to your senses.Could you elaborate a little on this? I'm genuinely curious. I see that after your response to the photos in question nobody else bothered to reply to your reply instead opted to pretend as if you didn't answer. I'm neither pro nor against flat earth. The scientific community is indeed a bunch of liars and I gain nothing from being loyal to them, however, just believing in a flat earth to spite them isn't something I'm gonna do.
So, I'm genuinely curious here. When you talk about the optical effect on perspective I assume that you're talking about how things get smaller the further away they are from you. But some of these ships' hulls seem to be out of view. Either the ships are way too submerged or we don't see the hull because there's water in the way. This could be explained by the idea that there's curvature and that there becomes a hill of water that cut off the line of sight. At the same time, if this was true you'd expect the ships' poles and cargo to be slightly angled away from you.
All of this is taken by a camera. I have seen the video that's somewhere in this thread about a nikon camera that zoomed in so far that it got a view of the islands and cities despite the fact that the formula for the curvature so has obstructed them. Don't remember if those cities were submerged though.
What are your thoughts?
>>163795>Planes are based on profit motive, of getting as many people from everywhere to everywhere else. Its not like when you buy a plane ticket they fly ONLY YOU nonstop to wherever, unless you charter a plane for ~1.5 million. The failure to grasp how profit motive affects air traffic and flight plans is one of your most laugable bits of incompetence.Yeah, right.
>>163826>my disbelief is an argumentMeanwhile, notice how the flat earth model involves exponentially more area between continents, the closer one gets to the perimeter. What this means is, flat earthers have to explain why the planet doesnt reflect this in geography.
>>163825Or just answer this guy's question
Ill reiterate, simplified.
If thr flat earth map has any legitimacy, you would be ablr to measure an increase in the amount of area between longitudinal degrees, the further one gets from the north pole.
Ill also point out how it makes MORE sense for a plane to fly halfway across the world when going to the next continent over, to a flat earther
>>163828>If thr flat earth map has any legitimacyIt looks legit enough to me
>>149243
>>163795>Planes are based on profit motiveAbsolutely, and yet their fly paths across the oceans make not sense at all, at least... our realm is a plane.
>>163365
>>163831>they dont make senseOnly if you're a mong. It makes sense to anyone who has ever had to work out product sourcing and distribution
>>163811You didn't answer my question.
>>163833Dude, your "science" doesn't add up. There is not any curve and sticking to the lies makes you look a shill or the dumbest on this plane. See
>>149168
>>163835>implying if you ask questions you're a shillI didn't cite any "science", faggot. I just asked a basic question.
>>163836>I didn't cite any "science", faggotAll your premise is founded on the globe religion which is based on fake science. If you dispute the Plane, then your are talking about science, actually fake science.
>>163837Wtf does any of that have to do with what I asked?
What dumb nigger decided that this thread didn't need IDs? It's the only thread on /vx/ that would actually benefit from IDs.
>>163839>IDsActually it is useless, these kikes jump IP like rabbits and to pinpoint them would be an impossible task.
>>163840>implying IDs are useless because shitposter evade themBy that logic, we should remove IDs from the site entirely because the concept of them would be flawed.
IDs make it more difficult to change between contradictory points and sockpuppet mid-conversation, or at least add extra steps to do so.
We put IDs on /vx/ despite the fact that neither /v/, /x/, /tg/, /vg/, /mlp/, or even /int/ have them, perhaps even to the detriment of those elements, just to police /pol/-tier shitposting arguments. Threads with these kinds of arguments should always have IDs.
>>163841>shitposterGlobe shills.
>>163842There are shitposters on both sides, but it's impossible to have even a /pol/-tier conversation because there's no IDs.
>>163837I only asked about the implication of navigators being bribed, because I thought it might be interesting. I didn't say anything for or against the flat earth in that question.
>Leonardo DiCaprio, Pope Francis, and the Flat Earth picture
it tells you everything to need to know about the ball lie.
>>163844>navigators being bribed,There are plenty of videos where pilots state that Earth is flat.
>>163847Okay, but what about the ones that don't, or the ones that say the contrary?
>>163848I think it is the same case of doctors and nurses that recommended poisonous injections to the public because of the sweet money.
>>163849In every country though? Who would be paying them?
>>163850I sense the jew is back. Asking questions and shooting whataboutisms.
This is /vx/, back to /mlpol/ schlomo.
>>163851>Asking questions>implying asking questions somehow makes me a kikeIf you don't know, just say you don't fucking know.
>whataboutismsWhere did "what about" appear in any of my posts? All I did was ask you to elaborate.
>>163851>This is /vx/, back to /mlpol/You know, just because it's /vx/ doesn't mean people might not want actual arguments or want their questions answered seriously. That kind of stuff doesn't stand on /x/ either.
>>163853>doesn't mean people might not want actual arguments or want their questions answered seriously.There is not good faith in you.
>>163854You're accusing
me of bad faith, when all you did was sling a series of ad homenim calling me a shill instead of answering my questions? What am I supposed to say to get my questions answered?
>>163856You have plenty of evidence that the ball is a lie. Go on, tell me that you are not arguing in bad faith.
All this stuff just to make a strawman for being rebuked.
Thanks for being being the whole circus I suppose.
But if you are genuine about not curved Earth just stop being a cock sucking garggle blasting fag. Simple, but for you it may not be easy.
>Flat Earth, the sun, and mountains 175 miles away - case closedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqsT2dRCbTg
>>163854I asked you a question to give you the opportunity to explain your worldview. I didn't make any technical or fake "scientific" arguments, I just asked a question about a claim that seemed worthy of skepticism.
If skepticism isn't "good faith" to you, then I must be wasting my time here.
>>163857I wasn't asking about the fucking ball, I was asking about navigators and pilots being systemically bribed to keep it a secret.
>>163860>copingSorry, recognize your loss, this realm is flat.
>>163861>missing the point>still won't answer basic fucking questions>no reading comprehension whatsoeverYou know, I really was giving you the benefit of the doubt, because I really am open to the prospect that kikes and corporations really could be keeping big secrets about the geography of Antarctica and even the rest of the world, and I thought that was worth discussing, but I now see that I'm dealing with an asinine retard incapable of holding a conversation without resorting to reddit-tier shitflinging.
Sorry for wasting your time. I'll go back to ignoring this shitty thread.
>>163862>I'll go back to ignoring this shitty thread.Thank you.
>Gamer Asmongold does a real time Flat Earth poll, and guess what.
KEK
>>163862>thinking the flatty will argue in good faith, or acknowledge legitimate refutationAdorable
>>163865>legitimate refutationPreposterous.
>>163866Preposterous he says, carefully ignoring every argument that he can't refute, which are many and multi-genre.
Whether from actual incompetence or actual malice, it is clear that you are incapable of arguing in good faith. It seems a clear case of intellectual dishonesty, whatever the cause may be, but you'll continue to posture-post ponies because in your mind thaTs what making an argument is.
>B but, a bunch of WOW-streamer simps are retarded and think the earth is flat!Yes, it takes a particular type of retardation to follow WoW streamers in current year. Small wonder that half his audience fits the bill. They could still be trolling though.
>>163863But THIS one is my favorite. Here you have an unobstructed admission from the flatty.
He doesnt want discussion, he doesnt want to dissect the idea and discern truth from fiction, he wants an echo-chamber thread where he can post his tripe and rub circles in his own back about how right he is, nevermind the endless list of phenomena that very clearly illustrate that he's full of shit, has never known what he's talking about, and has the most pathetic grasp of physical dynamics while claiming an 'engineering background, lol, and anyone ELSE should kindly gtfo so he can get back to his FB-tier 'memes'This has been a public service announcement
>>163868Cope and seethe, the earth is spherical no matter the level of ignorance you adopt
>>163869>the earth is spherical
>>163870Theres that pone-posturing I mentioned. Cope and seethe faggot, you're wrong, ad the only reason you dont know it 8s b3cause you insulate yourself with incompet3nce.
>>163870While not intending to, the pone-posturing speaks to another phenomenon that is readily observed in the horsefucker community;
The 'I found a pony reaction image, your argument is therefore invalid' pretense. The idea being overtly, "I can present Twilight(example) in a meme that doubts your position, therefore it's invalid".
The problem is that, this 'argument' neglects the basic requirements of an argument; to indicate invalidity with position(s), and to present a counter-argument with facts.
One may note that this is why the flatty wont argue facts, excepting those 'observed' and recorded by dodgy individuals who have been laughed out of any critical assessment.
But the flatty isnt vying for anything authoritative, no, he is quite content simply to muddy the water; it is well enough for him to suggest that there is legitimate grounds to contest the uni ersal findings that uniformly depict a spherical earth, BECAUSE there are none
again, I cant conclude what level of dishonesty that OP is operating from but hes "just so skeptical of nasa masons".
I literally cant ironically parody at that point,.
But to this post's point, its really just a reiteration of the rule about one's carefully worded arguments being sumarrily ignored.
Welcome to the flat earth thread, where feelings dont care about your facts.
>>163871>>163872>pone-posturingDo you know where you are?
>>163872>Welcome to the flat earth thread, where feelings dont care about your facts.
>>163873Do you? Do you think 'if I post a pony, theres legitimacy to my post'? Do you think 'if I post a pony, then my illegitimate post is somehow legitimate'?
Post all the ponies you want, you're STILL never gonna have a leg to stand on, intellectually.
you'd think someone would just fly over antarctica and shut down this whole conspiracy by now
>>163876>shut down this whole conspiracy by nowActually it will blow it out.
>>163876Your argument assumes that the flat earth hasnt been exhaustively debunked previously, except it has. All that remains are flat earthers who can't comprehend the evidence, which unsurprisingly is a gradually increasing number, as the standard of education likewise gradually decreases.
Show people a picture of Earth, its dismissed as CGI. Cite that the picture predates computer generated imagery, its dismissed as Nasa/masonic shilling.
The proof is already there. Its BEEN there since BEFORE any of us were even BORN. Theres more proof than there are technical analysts to explain its VALIDITY as proof.
Which leads one inexorably to the conclusion that Flat Earth has never been about truth. Hence why I say:
Flat Earth is an INcompetence hierarchy
>>163876>>163877Apologies, I only touched on Antarctica. Funny you propose this, because there is an experienced pilot who is organizing just that.
The thing about a flight over the southern pole is, it takes a particular setup to accomplish. Being as though there arent commercial airstrips on Antarctica, not just ANY plane will do. It requires a plane with the logistical capacity to make the entire trip WITHOUT refueling. Remember when I said 1.5 million chartered? Thats because thats what it is going to cost to charter a provate plane capable of making the flight (and that is WITH the pilot doing the flying for no charge).
Now, flatties LOVE to point to Antarctica because of their certainty of an ice wall. At least, thats the NOT-disingenuous flatties.
Meanwhile, there are the flatty grifters who realize that its bullshit, but their name and livelihood is tied to the flat earth theory (DITRH, etc.) and so they are dug in at 'Antartica' because "no one could possibly expend that much time/resources/effort to fly over Antartica". Meaning, as long as no one DOES, they can continue to posture and act, regardless of the level of intellectual dishonesty they are operating from.
Recall, I already told you whats on Antarctica, and why the international treaty became a thing; its evidence of a megalithic human civilization/technology that defies the historical record to such a degree that the control systems would implode if readily known.
Spoiler alert, its not the masons nor NASA at the heart of it, its the CHURCH.
I wrote a long post but happened ot deleteed it. Oh, well. I might rewrite it but the gist of it is that I don't see why we should be fighting. Let us just discuss this impersonal and on topic that goes for both sides to different extents perhaps but still.
>>163881I'll come back and rewrite this. I have reasons for what I'm saying and I don't really know if this short post gives enough context.
>>163884Fake NASA shill, the sun doesnt go behind the earth, it rotates above it. This is clearly intended to undermine flat earth progress in the worldview.
Im false flagging as a/the flatty, if it doesnt come across
>>163886>NASAWell, zog told everybody but normies can't help themselves.
>>163887Fake and shilling. Clearly, since the earth is flat, that any claims of curvature are false.
Cuz the earth is flat.
Checkmate globies.
The earth is FLAT
>>163887Zog convinced everyone that the flat earth is ROUND cuz they're Satanists, and who u gonna believe, satanists or ME who says what god says cuz I say that god says what I say = flat earth, checkmate atheists.
>>163888>>163889>>163886Wow, this is just what OP has said throughout this entire thread and not butchered at all. You guys are comedy geniuses.
>>163890>ShillsThey (or it?) are applying textbook masonic tactics for gaslighting.
They state exactly what the opposite side says with a tone of incredulity and sometimes mixed with sarcasm in an attempt to discredit and to diminish validity. That said, they will avoid to draw attention to the fact that utterly demolish the whole heliocentric model: the curve can't be found.
>>163890Experience
>>163891Except for the pics I posted months ago, which you wont touch,... cuz totaly not btfo, couldnt be that...
And my posts aside, you're about 24 citations behind, asfar
as 'refuting' a spherical earth or 'asserting' a flat one
>>163891>Shills>ImplyingYou sound like /ptg/ calling everyone a 'shill' for disagreeing with you in a flat earth thread on this tiny board.
>>163893Nobody calls flat earthers hateful. They just call them dumb.
>>163896I suppose so but people do call nazis dumb as well so I wouldn't put much stock in what people say.
>>163897Yeah, although I feel like it's a false equivalency. People call Nazis dumb sometimes, but I seldom hear anyone call flat earthers hateful, unless they want to associate them with another group.
>>163898Yeah, we agree on this. I never heard anyone call flat earthers hateful and I don't see how one would argue that they are.
>it's a false equivalencyI think you misunderstood. I meant that people say that everyone that disagrees with consensus is dumb so if you meant, which isn't clear from your post, to appeal to their authority then I disagree that they have one.
This post got a bit overwritten but you get me.
Was the post about catapults deleted?
>Coach Redpill>2022.06.06 Physics and Epistemic Viciousness>Dark Matterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHI_eSsgTF4This is a commentary on the science "experts" who make shit up and sustain lies in order to keep their jobs.
>>163903Dark matter is just a theory, a disputed theory.
>>163904Same than gravity.
>>163905Well, I guess you could say that.
In truth, a group of scientists came up with Dark Matter because they considered it to be the only explanation for why gravity seems to function differently at the far edges of the galaxy, as if some extra invisible mass were weighing things down and holding stars together. It's not a theory without merit, as there could be plenty of things beyond this world that we're not able to perceive, but an alternative mode of thought would be that perhaps the laws of physics simply aren't consistent throughout all of the vastness of space.
There are of course other theories to explain this. I think String Theory gives an alternative to it.
>>163908>memeIt sums it all.
Imagine being ruled by shitty memes
Seriously, imagine you couldnt think for yourself and had to rely on Facebook to do your thinking for you.
Now i.agine your FB-tier wtfe got btfo and you LITERALLY had no lrg to stand on, but had to pretend cuz 'shame is bad'.
How's that whole 'being a nonce' thing working for you, OP? Learned to differentiate between,.. oh Im kidding. OP doesnt want to actually THINK, he just wants to pretend so that the audience THINKS he's thinking.
But yes I am bad/evil/wtfe ur scripture says is 'bad'.
Keep not doing what you're told is bad. Thats 'healthy', Im told.
>>164027Imagine failing to sage shitty threads.
>>164028Imagine thinking that a neglecting of sage was happenstance
>>164030Imagine bumping threads that shit up the board.
>>164031Imagine wanting the board clean for all the..............
............
nothing
If the earth isn't flat why do flights from USA to Japan take time?
>>164035Whoops, thats's embarrassing
>>164035Let me guess, you calculate Pi as 3.14, don't you?
Hey OP, I was just in another one of my random information on the internet comas and I have a genuine question:
What causes the circumpolar current around the latitude of Drake's Passage (pic related on ball Earth)
Since there's no rotation, nor is there gravity, what would push this much water around?
>>164056well, not quite. This explains the tides (kinda, I'm not entirely happy with "well, we don't know but its not the moon") but it doesn't explain the uniform west>east movement of the entire ocean at that latitude. If tides were caused by the bobbing of the earth's surface in the ocean, as explained by Mr. Dubay, there would be a uniform reaction towards the ice wall, not round it. Think ripples in a pond.
>>164057I suppose I spoke too soon because I didn't finish the video, but even the second explanation of the world mountain and the whirlpool doesn't explain uniform motion around the poles. If this were the case, you'd see almost no circumpolar current, or a circumpolar current that reverses with the tides.
>>164057>uniform west>east movement of the entire ocean at that latitudeI guess we have to wait for access for independent researchers.
The freemason's "just trust us" is not cutting it any longer.
>>164059Independent researchers are allowed to sail the Drake Passage and the circumpolar open ocean. In fact, Dubay references quite a few of them in his videos. Are you saying Dubay is referencing Masons?
>>164060Don't play dumb, you perfectly know that I'm referring to the area under the 60th parallel, specifically Antarctica.
>>164061I'm not. The circumpolar ocean current starts at the southern tip of South America.
>>164063Hendrik Brouwer (Dutch explorer who developed the route through the current in the early 1600s for spice trade with India)
James Cook (circumnavigated the polar region, iirc he's specifically mentioned by Dubay)
Vito Dumas did so single-handedly during WWII without any knowledge or assistance from world governments
I'll keep looking if you need more names
>>164064oh, and Jon Sanders of Australia has done it 11 times.
>>164064Dude, I sailed the Drake channel 10 years ago two times, I know the place and is hell when choppy, the strong currents are normal because the waters accelerate at that point. Frequently and unexpected weather conditions are the norm, they change without warning in a matter of a couple of hours.
>>164066have you circumnavigated at that latitude? All of these people mentioned (excepting Brouwer) did.
>>164067>circumnavigatedNot circumnavigation, but circurm-continent voyage.
>>164068so you went round Cape Horn. I'm... proud? of you? but by your reckoning you're missing about 50 thousand miles of journey.
>>164069>Cape HornIt is called Cabo the Hornos by the locals.
>>164070Sure. We're getting off track. I've provided plenty of sources for you to look into. Are you willing to do so, or are we discounting every circumpolar expedition to ever happen as wrong?
>>164071>I've provided plenty of sources for you to look intoThe only trusted source is your own eyes. Sailing there without interference.
>>164072Then why reference all these ancient and modern sources when you haven't seen these things with your own eyes? This isn't a disputed fact. Your sources confirm it, my sources confirm it, ball earth sources confirm it, there's a current that goes steadly east to west round the world at the latitudes south of the three southern capes and north of Antarctica. Nobody disputes this that's been round the world at that latitude, including sources you yourself have put forward. Its established fact.
>>164073my apologies, steadily west to east. map dyslexia getting the better of me once again
>>164071>or are we discounting every circumpolar expedition to ever happen as wrongEnough derailing, the chart is already established and clear faggot
>>149243By the way, that map is super accurate when using a sextant.
>>164075okay, I'm not disputing the map, the shape of the earth, or any other point you've brought up. I simply want to know what your explanation is for an established, fairly stable circumpolar current (and I suppose the winds that go with it, but that's very likely explainable in your model by the motion of the water)
>>164076Again, independent research is needed.
>>164077Independent research has been done and matches the facts I've presented. If its not independent enough for you, I'm terribly sorry, but if someone who is actively hiding from world governments (Vito Dumas) makes the claim, I'm going to call them independent
>>164078>Independent research has been done and matches the factsSure.
>>164079I accept your concession.
By the way, if you'd just said "it matches up when you view the whole oceanic current map in context of the flat earth" I would have probably taken you at face value, but you're so tied to the very few sources you have that you can't do independent research yourself.
I still don't know if your theory has any merit, but I'm 100% sure now that you, personally, do not.
>>164080In fact, I'm going to go absolutely top tier schizophrenic here and note a few things.
In this diagram, the redder a current, the warmer its water, and per established science, these are the surface currents, whilst cold blue currents are usually much deeper. IF your polar gyre exists, you could explain these currents as warm water being sucked into the pole from the surface, and cold water being pushed back down through the deep ocean. This removes the need for a "breathing" gyre and allows a much more plausible forceful, periodic underswell, possibly because this supposed northern polar whirlpool exists inland on the aforementioned 4 islands, and it "runs out" of water because its recycling effect exceeds the inflow of surface water. Since the land surface, per Dubay, rests ON the ocean, not on underlying crust, this allows for a massive inflow of water to the central reservoir, a relatively quick emptying of the reservoir _under_ the land surface, and a repeat.
There, I just answered your question for you, since you're completely incapable of independent thought.
>>164055>>164081Welcome to the flat earth thread
>>164083>Sci-Fi DanA prominent NASA paid shill.
>>164083C'mon, it is obvious that it is about to make fun of a dumbass that can barely articulate his thoughts.
The NASA ballers can rapidly extinguish the Flat Earth discoveries if debate is arranged, but, like the jews they won't do that and pick on low hanging fruits instead while claiming to be on the right.
Imagine if the negro tyson would debate Dubay, but... NASA knows that will be PR disaster.
>It hurts to Change your world view: The ThreadFlatters will cope forever.
>>164087>>164086>NASANasa has no power you retards.
>>164085Thanks. The problem here seems to be that Dubay has an extremely compelling and calming voice. I watched his history of flat earth and I was honesty a little hooked until he went on his autistic tard rage about the flat earth society
>>164089>Nasa has no power you retards.I disagree.
You believe all their lies, right?
>>164091Nigger what lies do they even tell?
>>164087>Tyson wont argue rhetoric with a virtual child cuz NASA is scared of the blowbackImagine unironically thinking this
>>164087yes, acknowledging Dubay as worth debating would be a PR disaster
>>164086>>164091NASA had to sell all its infrastructure to Elon Musk and outsource its rocks to Russia to stay afloat, and it still can't get congress to fund any of its projects (gotta send that tax money to Israel for their space program instead). Wtf do you think they have the funding to do that?
>>164072>this much goalpost movingSo, you'll only accept direct, personal empirical evidence for ideas that challege your worldview, but you're willing to cite sketchy youtube videos for ones that reinforce it?
Talk about hypocrisy.
>>164077>>164079Define "independent research".
>>164086>NASA paid shillCitation unironically needed. I wasted an hour looking for any real evidence of this.
>>164098welcome to the Flat Earth thread, where "paid shill" means "disagrees with my retarded ideology"
>>164117Well, in the last months the UFO psyop went into overdrive in the States, now the Russians join. Is any doubt left that they are together in the space deception?
>Van Halen - FLAT EARTH.
Good music.
>>148614rate of rotation is not measured in mph.
The earth rotates at 7.29x10^-5 rads/s. Of course you can't feel it spinning. If you were on a roundabout that was spinning at that rate, you would not even be able to see it moving let alone feel anything.
>>164125>rate of rotation is not measured in mphAnd yet on the surface and according to the freemasons we are moving at incredible speeds.
>>164125You tried, but OP feels the best defense is a solid ignorance
>>164127>You triedNope, that faggot is trying to obfuscate when bringing angular speeds which are supposedly constant.
>>163908Dark matter has exactly zero relavence to flat earth. Yes the models are incomplete this is known. But they are more than sufficient to describe our solar system. Even classic newtonian gravity is good enough for the most part.
>>164129Wait till he gets to the lack of comprehension that a sphereoid object has a dissimilar sloping curve depending on what longitude one observes the planet at, and that there is no 'single calculation' for the distance to the horizon
Whoops, that was talking about
>>164129
Flat Eartherism is still a homosexual psyop designed to associate valuable theories with pseudoscientific "You can't convince me the earth isn't a flat plane" junk.
What value is there in pretending everyone's telescope is an optical illusion device, stars aren't real, the world's a flat plane surrounded by ice, and meteors are chemtrails?
There is evidence that GamerGate is right about the feminist infection in video games journalism, and journalism in general.
I know this is an old example, and the rot goes much deeper than feminism and video games. Feminist rot in games journalism is just a symptom of judaist rot in the media, the banks, academia, and more.
Why are the flat earthers even here, specifically? They can peddle their bullshit anywhere. They can talk about it on Twitter or Facebook. They don't get censored. No government monitors or shuts down their retarded Las Vegas conventions for people who think aliens abducted them. They aren't a threat to the Jewish globalists.
There are valuable political topics to be discussed here. Talking in circles with a flat earth believer is like talking in circles with a "Aliens are real and they probed my favourite celebrity's anus" believer. Ancient Aliens lied to you, there is no Easter Bunny and the superheroes you unironically pay to see in jewish cinemas while drinking corn syrup and AIDS-infused nigger semen were not inspired by half-alien half-Greek demiods who actually existed.
>>164347>Why are the flat earthers even here, specifically?Dude, it is just an enclosed plane. No reason to get upset.
>>164349It's easy to assume a position is the default truth and then pretend any disagreement, scrutiny, or doubt is "Making a claim that must be proven to my satisfaction", but what proof would satisfy a flat-earther?
>>164350Any feelings you think I have are irrelevant to the question at hand. Why would flat earthers come HERE specifically, when they are permitted on facebook but anti-vax posts aren't?
>>164351>Why would flat earthers come HERE specificallySay it with more precision: this is a containment bread that is not spilling to other boards, so, chillax fren.
>>164354Its a sphereoid retard, the radius varies. For example, the radius is greatest at the equator, and smallest at the north or south pole. Which is why you cant use a simplified equation to determine the distance to the visible horizon, you have to account for their specific location when calculating the distance to the visible horizon.
But rather than grasp why you (and the videographer) embarrassed yourself last time, you both decided to embarrass yourselves a second time. Thank you for that
>pic related
Oof, that too is embarassing
>ASTROPHYSICIST RAGE QUITS DURING INTERVIEW WITH UNDERCOVER FLAT EARTHER - (56:15 long)>Svetlana Berdyugina PhD (Astro-Physicist) - interesting stuff ...>It doesn't matter how good your grades are or if you have a high IQ. If you lack logic, reason or commonsense you're fucking stupid!>Too many SMEs (Subject Matter Experts) are fucked up and trapped in their model. This drives their worldview - she says we'll find life out there and we will then know we are not alone and We are not special.https://www.bitchute.com/video/vUu7DdxZOnUT/
>>164366>I cant be arsed to respond to 80% of the rebuttals ITT, but HERE globeys, explain this ONE cherry-picked nutter
>>164346>the glove is mental insurance that there is no creatorWhere does this idea even come from? How is that supposed to stop people from believing in God?
>>164095>>164097>>164098Still no answer to these?
Heliocentric theory vs Theocentricism.
This is what flatties consider a 'rebuttal'.
>>164369Get used to it, and welcome to the flat earth thread; where OP will disregard/ignore every point that refutes his premise, fuck off for days/weeks, and then reappear with FB-tier memes and videos, posturing that his lack of scientific comprehension is proof of a flat earth.
>>164379What is theocentrism?
>>164385Let me reiterate. What is theocentrism supposed to mean in this context?
No part of the definition is necessarily opposed to heliocentrism, or in any way equivalent to geocentrism.
>>164386I think the difference is Anon's theories versus Celestia's creation.
Anon can speculate all day long, but Celestia's truth remains.
>>164387Based and Celestiapilled.
>>164379Look, even Twilight is arguing that the world is round
>>164389Equestria might be round, perhaps surrounded by the Forever Ice Ring, but the fact is that Equestria is fixed and unmovable while the sun and the moon make turns around it.
>>164390too easySince you're here, I trust you're gonna get on that backlog of reasons the earth is sphereoid? You know, in between trying to use a girls cartoon to try and validate your laughably ignorant stance?
>>164391>I trust you're gonna get on that backlog of reasons the earth is sphereoid?>projectionThe backlog is a deluge of proofs that Earth is a plane.
>>164392>T. laughably ignorant flatty
>>164386Can I get an actual answer to this one?
I keep hearing this idea that the earth bring round is supposed to make people less religious or something, but when I ask how I never get an answer.
>>164394His position is that there are vague and/or loosely interpreted statements in the bible that to a flat earther is 'proof' of a flat earth, which is then asserted to be God's design, which then infers that to see the world as NOT flat goes against God.
>>164395>His position is that there are vague and/or loosely interpreted statements in the bible that to a flat earther is 'proof' of a flat earth,That is not true. This bread is totally filled with non biblical proof.
>>164395Preferably from the person with that position.
>>164397Good luck getting an intellectually honest answer
>>164398Sure, I don't really need to be reminded. Hearing it from someone else isn't helpful though.
>>164399More helpful than anything you're likely to get from OP
Im giving him the cance to - for once ITT - prove me wrong
>>164400>More helpfulNot really...
>>164400>Im giving him the cance to - for once ITT - prove me wrongAfter more than a thousand posts proving that Earth is a plane and still can't connect the dots.
>>164402Can you answer my questions?
>>164369>>164394
>>164403I warned you,....
>>164408>Its friday again!YAY!
Let me drop some redpills before I leave.
>1st photo of earth, taken in the 1970s from space, back when computers operated from punch cards and didnt have image rendering capability, let alone editing
But of course, "space isnt real", it is claimed
>>164409>we don't feel a thingWe don't feel anything because we, our bodies, and the world around is is moving at the same rate.
It's like how you don't feel motion when an airplane is cruising at consistent. You only feel it when it changes course.
>>164411>world around is is moving at the same rate.If the orbit of the fictional ball is elliptic then we should totally feel the motion.
See
>>150031
>Flat Earth Society
>controlled opposition
In plain sight.
>>164415>I can totally feel it when a car accelerates from 50mph to 50.05mph over the course of several hoursThats effectively what you're claiming in ignorance.
Water boils at different temperatures, the further from sea level one travels.
The globe model asserts that this is due to a decreasing atmospheric pressure, the higher one's altitude.
How does a Flat Earth explain this phenomenon?
>>164415>>164418>>150031You feel when a plane or car changes course because your own body has it's own momentum that tries to stay it's own course
The Earth being in an orbit isn't changing any momentum, the momentum is in a non-circular orbit, you have the same momentum as the Earth so you feel nothing
This isn't hard
>>164434So what you're saying is, claims that one 'would feel a/the change' are spurious and invalid?
>>164456You'd feel it if it actually changed, like if the earth suddenly veered off it's orbit due to impact with a similarly-sized object.
The earth has been spinning/revolving the same way it has been for millions of years, along with everything on the surface of the earth, so nobody feels it.
>>164459But but... Owen Benjamin said...
>>150031>>164415>why don't we feel it?This question was answered centuries ago.
>>164354Take tide elevation into account, the elevation of the boat and camera, and the fact that the earth isn't a perfect sphere.
>>164385>>164386So, what is it supposed to mean?
>>164465Or the fact that the model (perspective aside) depicts a right triangle from which simple pythagorus will show that the model is uselessly imprecise and capable of producing values in the
four figure percentage range of error
>>164354Not hard, you're just fudging numbers
>>164529>Ex-Flat EartherOnce redpilled there is no turning back.
>>164529Feels like 2014 youtube. I don't want to go back
>>164530I don't think he was ever redpilled. It's been almost 10 minutes and he just keeps talking about how people are looneys for not trusting the media
>>164531The takeaway is that according to the ex flat earth youtuber, flat earth youtubers are not 'true' flat earthers because they (Bob in particular, but with call-outs to DITRH and others) make regular-interval attempts to 'prove' that the earth is flat (and universally fail) whereas a 'true' flat earther wouldnt even entertain the notion, conduct a test, etc because they are too busy 'knowing with absolute conviction' that the 'earth is flat'. This is an important distinction because, in a startling twist of events the 'no true scotsman' fallacy is NOT a fallacy when dealing with flatties.
What this means is, whatever the individual's cause (mental/psychological/developmental/learning/etc disability), there is an absolute refusal/inability to accept or acknowledge ANY evidence excepting what is assumed to support the premise, as has been thoroughly illustrated by/through this thread. Note how OP doesnt indicate specifically how claims "prove" a flat earth, he instead points at the "mountain of evidence"; he doesnt understand the material - even that which purports to indicate a flat earth - sufficient to argue the point and instead relies on his conviction to the idea and assumes that it should be aufficient to bring the viewer to a/the realization 'he had'.
Its authoritarianism 101 when broken down this way, but it is nice to hear it from an "ex flat earther", which doesn't exist according to OP and he's actually right because a "true" flat earther maintains their willful ignorance and would be unwilling to admit to it.
>>164530Case in point, and thank you for reaffirming the point.
Let's take OP's favorite ideologue - Eric Dubay - to further illustrate this phenomenon. It's only 5.5min (unless you tire of his droning, monotinous, 'totally not neuro-linguistic programming, why would you suggest that?' oration and speed it up).
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mkrgeqFDQVpq/As (you) watch this video, you'll want to set aside your critical capacity; the point is not to determine the (in)validity of his premise, instead the intent should be to experience the awe/impression that this video has on flat earthers (keep the brain-bleach close tho). His conviction, the simplicity of his ideas, it's impressive, right? He must be right, it's so simple, isnt it?
A true flatty will experience all of these phenomena, except that some element of the formula eliminates the possibility that legitimate refutation can be viewed as valid. The authoritarianism is sufficient that the POSSIBILITY of refutation has been (to the flatty) PROVEN to not exist.
I have addressed why this video (and OP) is lunacy from my basic recollection of astronomy, aided by citations from google. Its that simple. But my refutations - and the following more comprehensive ones - have (again, to the flatty) are defacto invalid, because they refute "what is true", a 'flat earth'.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mkrgeqFDQVpq/And of course, he comes pre-loaded with observably false and/or spurious excuses why the facts issued are irrelevant/invalid; shill, NASA, Freemason, etc.
Whether individuals are any of the above or not doesnt diminish the content of their argument, alluding to the extreme predisposition/conviction I refer to. Also, dont ask OP to cite any of these NASA/Mason shills, as once again his belief is sufficient to dismiss both the person entirely and anything they might say (unless they happen to say something that could loosely be interpreted as relating to a flat earth, in which case it will be proclaimed as "NASA/mason shill slips and proves flat earth").
My bad, the second link should be this one:
https://youtu.be/33AMn8OD81s
>>164406Here's an unironic flatty summarizing the God/Bible/Flat Earth 'significance'. There are other examples, I HIGHLY recommend the Dubay comment section
>>164544Sci-Fi Dan pretends to debuk Dubay with mimics and derision, but Dubay's logic is flawless. The heliocentric model doesn't hold water.
>>164559>Bidet's logic is flawlessThank you for your testimony, Ms. Heard
>>163405Hey, remember when you ignored this one cuz its irrefutable?
>>164571Heres some stills, with the timeframe semi indicated
>>164571>>164572>you ignored this one cuz its irrefutableNope. That post is ignored because you won't do any research faggot. What you are showing has been debunked over and over again in this bread.
Look for the keyword "perspective".
>China may be plotting moon takeover – NASA>Chinese astronauts are busy learning how to destroy other nations’ satellites, agency chief Bill Nelson claimed https://www.rt.com/russia/558264-space-china-us-nasa/Reminder that the ball hoax conspiracy is not restricted to the anglo sector.
>>164584So, your "refutation" of a video of a ship disappearing over the planet's curvature is to claim without citation that it's been debunked?
And you think "do a keyword search" passes as an argument?
I know you'll never admit the truth, it's been thoroughly documented and illustrated, as well as why.
But come on dude. For the sake of those around you.
You may not like it, you may absolutely refuse to acknowledge it, you can throw out all the classic diversions and FB memes, but the reality is THAT is the curve.
You have seen the curve. Good luck spending your life trying to hide from the fact.
>>164585This just makes you look even more retarded, redditor.
>>164584>ignored because you won't do any researchWhat would you say if the research led him to a different conclusion?
>>164559>Dubay's logic is flawlessElaborate.
>>164584>over and over>Look for the keyword "perspective".Only 3 instances of that word appear in this thread, only one of which is remotely related to the ships disappearing below the horizon.
And when another user asked the poster to elaborate, they received no reply.
>>164585>Reminder that the ball hoax conspiracy is not restricted to the anglo sector.>Implying Chinese weapons systems are just fireworks to make western scientists look good, and not attempts to develop long-range, hypersonic, intercontinental weapons to stay competent in the changing military environmentThat's a very strong accusation. Do you have any evidence to back that up?
>Is there an ice wall surrounding Antarctica? -- GLOBEHOAX - (8:10 long)>Premiered Feb 16, 2021 >This video shows some great HD capture of the Antarctic ice wall!>Included some short clips of Jarle Andhøy (The "Illegal" Antarctic Explorer)>There will be a longer and more complete video of Jarle Andhøy later this year! https://odysee.com/@ChadPrestonOfficial:9/is-there-an-ice-wall-surrounding:8Mirror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch9POQ-Mu_M
>>164606Huh. One wonders how they got to Antarctica if govt agencies are viciously attacking everyone who goes there. Unless,....
One also wonders what they expected to find OTHER than an ice shelf.
One ESPECIALLY wonders how they can credibly claim that because they landed on the edge of Antarctica that somehow magically means that the entire ice wall theory is somehow evidenced and validated.
I mean, again, what were they expecting to find? If their criteria of evidence for 'proving/showing' the 'ice wall' was to find ice... in Antarctica,....
I mean, by that thinking, are active volcanoes evidence of Tartarus/Hell/etc?
>>164607>I mean, again, what were they expecting to find?Putting a foot on Antarctica is the first step for larger expeditions. The lack of active defense measures to neutralize zog forces still is an issue sadly.
I wish some ball believer could explain this.
>>164708Cuz you've done so well with all the previous explanations?
>>164708Likely rift caused by different air temperatures colliding.
You can see it in rivers and oceans too.
>>164712>>164708That being said, I'm not quite sure how that relevant to the flat vs round argument? Do you mean to say that this sorts of atmospheric phenomena implies that the world is flat? If so, please explain why.
>>164713>Do you mean to say that this sorts of atmospheric phenomena implies that the world is flat?Nope, but considering that globers have unlimited imagination to speculate on an explanation, I think was worth of a shot.
>>164715Well, I'm not meteorologist, but I gave you what I think it is. I'd probably say the same thing if the world were flat or round.
Different air temperatures have different density and humidity, so they appear different from earth. This looks like it was in Colorado(?), so it's possibly a shelf of fridgid mountain air colliding with sea level air.
>>164716Yes, but you're missing the subtext.
The phenomenon you describe is one resulting from atmospheric conditions.
Atmospheric conditions are a result of gravity and atmosphere.
According to OP/flatties, gravity and space (atmoshere) doesnt exist.
So no, your description - speculative that it is - manages to refute flat earth
>epic-facebook-maymay.pwn
>>164749>I know, Ill wrap my lack of comprehension into a SONG! That'll distract people from the Dunning-Kreuger!Balloon satellites? Again? Is it that difficult to grasp that gasses are vastly less expensive than rockets, more efficient, less catastrophic when they come down, etc?
>>164751Okay, now Im just confused. What does an eclipse - an optical effect - have to do with he force of gravity?
I mean, I can conceive of someone suggesting that he moon's gravity would stack with he sun's gravity, but thats retarded. If you dont know why, you're retarded, and are probably posting vids like this on a flat earth thread somewhere.
>>164752>I mean, I can conceive of someone suggesting that he moon's gravity would stack with he sun's gravity, but thats retarded.I agree, the establishment propped Cavendish experiment is retarded and a scientific fraud.
>>164753Who's talking about Cavendish? Did he propose that you can jump higher during an eclipse? No, that was definitely (you)
>>164757>Did he propose that you can jump higher during an eclipse?Ahem.
Or you understand the Gravity Theory, that by the way globers believe, or you don't.
>>164758Are you agreeing that a person CAN jump measurably higher during an eclipse?
Cuz gravity doesnt support that premise.
And if you think it DOES,... well, you're probably a flat earther
>>164760Not that you can be taken seriously, but Im legit not sure what you're arguing here. Are you legit thinking that 'if the earth "was" round, you could jump higher during an eclipse', or am I misinterpreting?
>>164761>Are you legit thinking that 'if the earth "was" round, you could jump higher during an eclipse'Yup.
The supposedly gravitational forces pulling the tides apply also during an eclipse.
>>164762Thank you for clarifying. I wont tell you why that's retarded, you probably wouldnt listen anyway. But, I do appreciate the clarification.
>>164763>I wont tell you why that's retarded, you probably wouldnt listen anyway.Better try to deny the math, ball zealot.
>>164764Uhm, the answer is as simple as the "golly, why doesnt the water stick to this tennis ball if gravity" 'argument' that flat earthers try to use to debunk gravity.
So you unironically think that "if gravity and tides, then I can jump higher cuz the moon"?
You further think that the position of the sun and moon can increase or decrease the gravitational forces that a person experiences, such that one 'could' jump higher? Or rather, your understanding of gravity is such that u assume that gravoty supports that position, where if the sun and moon are aligned, the gravitational forces somehow synergize?
>>164765>You further think that the position of the sun and moon can increase or decrease the gravitational forces that a person experiences, such that one 'could' jump higher?It should be exactly like that according to Sir issac Newton. But, apparently you have no clue because you just repeat what the freemason school told you.
>>164766Those pesky freemasons, with their cohesive and basic maths, always tryin'a keep a flat earther 'down' amirite? Niggas be thinking that there be a center of gravity n sheit.
Except, gravitational forces don't stack. Its that basic.
>>164767Just accept defeat.
To be more clear, (you) assume that 2 forces in alignment should combine. In context, you assume that two aligned gravotational forces cause a synergistic effect, whereby the total gravotational force is increased by the sum of 2 parts.
This is an easy trap to fall into, and I dont fault you for it.
But it's wrong.
Gravity doent work like that. The earth is NEVER outside f the sun's gravitational effect. Yes the tides prouce a small effect, but that effect would perist beyond eclipses. A more 'true' refutation would be to assert that JUST the moon/tides produce this effect. So then, why can't one jump higher during 'high tide'?
The answer?
They CAN.
The problem is its an unmeasurable variance, to miniscule (and contextual) to quantify.
So in summary:
>Why desnt the moon make me jump higher?
It does, infinitesimally.
>>164768Oh? Like you did when I showed a ship disappearing over the 'nonexistent' curvature?
>>164769>It does, infinitesimally.>>164772>*Too minisculeThat force is not infinitesimal or minuscule faggots. 42 grams is an important and easily measurable magnitude.
>>164773In case you are scratching your head with metric units, here in imperial units:
>>164773Oh? Please display how .1lbs is not an infinitesimal amount when testing vertical leap.
>be 200 pound man
>jump expecting to notice you're only 199.9998 pounds today
>land, feeling normal
Pee pee poo poo the earth is round and so are you
>>164773That number's bull because it's mostly the force of the sun, which is largely even. So, only a tiny fraction of that number actually changes, so obviously you don't feel a change
The moon has an effect on the ocean but not people because the ocean is much heavier than people are, and the ocean as a liquid has a larger potential to change it's shape
But the sun's effect is felt in tides too, even though it's much weaker than the moon's. When they align it's called a spring tide and when they cancel out it's called a neap tide. This is something people have known about for thousands of years and you can go out and see it yourself.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/springtide.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide#SpringI genuinely dare you to actually reply this time
Huh, look what thread isnt getting bumped.
It couldnt be cuz OP knows hes fcked and is hiding
Answer the question
>>164766That's ad hominem. Get a real argument.
>>164777>I genuinely dare you to actually reply this timeLater, busy now.
>James Webb Telescope
Let us check the last Photoshop collage out, brought to us by the freemasons.
>>164792>Somewhere in the vast reaches of space, theres a flt earther who thinks that THIS is a coherent argument
>>164793>Somewhere on the vast plains under the dome, there's a gullible glober who thinks an out control bureaucracy won't lie to him.
>>164794Theres that intellectual honesty you lot are known for. Before you get too carried away, at least TRY to focus
>>164777
>>164785Some of us prefer to sage this thread.
>>164792This guy doesn't even try to prove that the pictures are fake.
He could've at least analyzed the images for noise patterns, ffs.
>>164799*this video doesn't
>>164794What evidence do you have that the photos are fake?
>>164773>42 grams is an important and easily measurable magnitude.Your normal weight fluctuates by 2-6 pounds every day from minute differences in water weight and, and you still feel the same. How could you feel a difference of less than one tenth of a pound when your body weight already fluctuates more than that every day without feeling different?
>>164773>42 gramsTo put 42 grams in perspective, the average weight of a pair of socks is 60-120 grams.
Put on a pair of socks, and then jump in the air 20 consecutive times.
Now take off those socks and do the same thing.
Note the difference in height achieved, and then take into account that 42 grams is LESS THAN THAT.
Actually, socks could create a difference of friction.
Put 4 quarters in both pockets (44.8 grams in total) and report the results with a sample size of 30 jumps. Be sure to perform the trials 15-20 minutes apart to account for the possibility of getting tired and needing a breather.
Or try doing it before and after drinking 1/5th of a cup of water.
See if you can feel the difference.
back again to bully OP
If, like Dubay says, if Earth were spinning we'd all fall off, why doesn't every passenger in a plane cram to the back when they're being shot forward at 500 miles per hour? I know the answer, do you?
>>164810It's because of Jesus, right?
>>164811its Masonic wizardry bro
>>164810>back again to bully OPReally?
The redpilling is getting closer to critical mass by the day. A clip from:
>FEDERAL JUDGE HALTS AIR FORCE VAX REQUIREMENThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtNZrvkbceA&t=515s
>>164816>Look! I found a dumb bitch! Checkmate globeys!While we're citing dumb bitches, mine has an argument
https://youtube.com/shorts/QsvwswQl6Vo?feature=share>Why flat earthers believe that shithttps://youtube.com/shorts/0ZDShOguxz0?feature=shareHow long has it been known that the earth is round
>>164816Also, this is OP totally not blatantly ignoring so many of the well constructed arguments ITT. Yes, I know the rule, I'm just making sure anon sees how absurd OP is.
Meanwhile,
>>164777 is still waiting
>>164815Answer the earlier questions.
>>164815you gonna answer any of the questions you were asked?
>>164820Still waiting on multiple posts
>>163482 >>163311 >>162824 >>162790 >>164777OP sure likes to spew shit without following it up
Are there any other reasons the international community/jews would spend so much money on fake researches and bribes to cover up the flat earth nature other than hiding god or aliens?
>>164826They don't want you to go to Antarctica because of the hyperborean ruins
>>164827There was more than enough time for them to dig them all up and grind everything into dust, why would they keep them?
>>164827Hyperborean is the north pole.
>>164829thats what (((they))) want you to think but there's no land at the north pole
>>164830Does anybody went to the north pole? Is anybody even allowed to go there?
>>164830Literally all of the mythology of hyperborea is centered around the direction "north".
>>164831People cross the pole of the time. The main reason why they don't do it often is because it's dangerous and not always necessary.
Also, international law is laughably impotent, especially when it comes to restricting access to areas. They can't even stop Japs from hunting whales to extinction.
The Arctic circle is expected to become contested between the US and Russia in the near future, since recent ice melts have eased travel and unearthed precious mineral deposits.
>>164831the Arctic is a lot more accessible than Antarctica, companies will even take you on a tour there for "request a quote" levels of money and the Russians have sailed a nuclear icebreaker all the way there and back
>>164826>international communityIt's really just absurd that people imply that the "international community", many of which are sworn enemies of eachother, could have or would have coordinated a massive intercontinental conspiracy to keep the shape of the earth flat, when they've fallen flat on enforcing virtually any other kind of international law.
We've had two world wars, and a cold war thereafter where countries were fighting tooth and nail for influence. Why would so many countries pass up the opportunity to spill the beans and embarrass their enemies for political advantage?
>inb4 JewsJews can't even get half of Muslims to stop hating them on a national level. They are not all powerful when it comes to international media influence, especially not in non-western countries.
>>164834correction: the Russians have sailed at least two nuclear ice breakers to 90 degrees north
>>164835I brought something like this up earlier in the thread, some guy actively evading both sides in WWII sailed all the way around the world below the capes and OP in his infinite wisdom said he was a globalist masonic shill
see: Vito Dumas
>>164837Wait, did he imply that Hitler was working for Jews to keep the flat earth a secret...?
>>164838why do you think he didn't genocide any of them anon?
>>164796>still busy somehow
>>164841he's laying low until we all forget that he's got questions to answer, don't let him forget.
>>164842There's only like 25 active posters to this site. He can't possibly think we'd all forget.
>>164842>>164843He's not gonna respond, ask me how I know. It's not about convincing him, it's about displaying for anons how ridiculous his premise is.
>>164835Yeah, while I'm not saying that the earth is flat, I do want to point out that there's nothing absurd about conspiracies across the world.
The cold war was an illusion and if muslims were a threat they'd stop them from entering countries were they live but they don't. Jews aren't afraid of muslims.
>Why would so many countries pass up the opportunity to spill the beans and embarrass their enemies for political advantage?Because they aren't nationalist, why would they care what happens to their country?
>>164844Honestly, I wouldn't respond either. It's a waste of time speaking to people who clearly don't listen to you. The idea of wining debates to further one's ideology's position is a monkey on your back. There's no winning from there. On that note, he has been active in defending his position earlier in thread.
Regardless, winning a debate is not proof that one's position is the correct one.
>>164845>people who clearly don't listen to yoLike, you do in fact do not believe ijn this, right? I'm not trying to say you're too arrogant or anything but it's very clear that you strongly disbelieve.
>>164845>Jews aren't afraid of Muslims>Muslims aren't a threatthese aren't mutually exclusive, my friend. They let them into your country because they're not a threat to Jews specifically, but they are a threat to you when they're in your country, like any ethnic minority that refuses to assimilate into your culture.
you know.... like Jews
>>164847Yeah, true. And I know, that's what meant but it came wrong.
>>164838>Wait, did he imply that Hitler was working for Jews to keep the flat earth a secret...?WOW, the shilling is intense today.
Everybody knew that Earth is flat at that time. Uncle Adolf included. See
>>157419 and
>>157473
>>164844>it's about displaying for anons how ridiculous his premise is.OP come with facts, but all you have is character assassination and debunked NASA shills. If anybody is looking ridiculous it is (you).
Flat eartherism is still fucking gay
>>164845Ngl, that's a rather cucked position to take. If one's ideas don't withstand opposition, one needs to bow out, not maintain.
>>164850Ladies and gentlemen, cognitive dissonance at it's finest.
>>164853>le smug pony response imageThis is OP, Ladies and gentlemen
I don’t believe in Flat Earthers
>>164855And yet the famous curve can't be found.
>>164857hey OP, scroll back up, you've got a LONG backlog of explanations, faggot.
>>164856It literally has been. You just dismiss anybody who doesn't reaffirm your existing beliefs as a "NASA/Freemason shill".
I'm beginning to suspect that you wouldn't even accept direct empirical evidence seeing the earth from space.
Also, answer all the earlier questions/refutations, you conniving coward.
>>164859"my eyes themselves are freemasonic, jesuit shills" - OP, seconds before blinding himself after his ride to space
>>164849That's a map.
Hitler didn't believe the earth was flat, and the proof of that was that he sent an expedition to the north pole to investigate the Hollow Earth theory.
>>164857This is simple. The craft was moving with the earth on its axis, just like anything else that moves straight upwards. It's geostationary.
On an unrelated note Baumgartner is a retard for thinking it was possible somehow to break the sound barrier by falling from great height. Terminal velocity is a thing.
>>164862>he was a retard for thinking he could break the sound barrier by fallinghe.... did though?
>reaching an estimated top speed of 1,357.64 km/h (843.6 mph), or Mach 1.25
>>164852>If one's ideas don't withstand opposition, one needs to bow out, not maintain.Oh, come on, Anon. That's never stopped any /pol/ack or other imageboard user before.
>>164852Are you saying there hasn't been a single debate in which the person who was wrong won?
It's a waste of time. In the end it's both for the sake of pride but also for political appeal to others. Both of these don't serve you. Pride gets in the way of intellectual development of ones ideas and influencing others is best done by playing on your homefield, as in books or something. Some sort of focused push than endlessly debating people on the internet.
>>164865look man I just like checking in here every few days and curb stomping OP's retarded beliefs, don't look any further into it. I'm here for my entertainment, if the rest of you get a chuckle out of it I win even more
>>164850You repeatedly calling people "NASA shills" without substantial evidence is the definition of character assassination and ad hominem.
>If anybody is looking ridiculous it is (you).Said the pot to the kettle.
>>164865>It's a waste of time.This, tbh. It's not exactly the most productive or interesting use of energy.
>>164866The beliefs really don't need to be curbstomped. You've already made your point to all 4-5 guys who even bother to read this thread, and OP certainly isn't changing his mind.
Couldn't you find something more substantial to argue about? That argument energy would be better invested making politics threads, or arguing about which mare is cutest.
Outstanding, the shilling is off the chart today.
>>164868if you think this is the only place I'm shitposting you're very wrong
>>164866>curb stomping OP's retarded beliefsFacts are facts. This realm is flat.
>>164871why does the land float on the ocean if gravity isn't real and density determines where things go on the planet? (both claims of your Mr. Dubay)
>>164872by the way, my friend, you CAN experimentally prove this one yourself, go outside (hard, I know)
find a rock
drop it in water
>>164870I didn't say that. I said you're just wasting your time in this particular thread. It would be better spent elsewhere.
>>164874I don't understand why people think it takes some massive time and effort to bang out 3 sentences or less dunking on a retard. I have a triple digit IQ, this isn't some massive use of my time. Most of the time I do it between work tasks or lift sets
Not sure who is trolling and baiting who.
>>163383If we're gonna go on about assertions unresponded to, I'd like for OP to respond to NASAs assertion that its a pone
>>164845>>164865This.
Essentially how I go about things.
>>164852>If one's ideas don't withstand oppositionThe question is not whether they withstand opposition or not. But rather, how much importance you want to grant to some random aspie. It's just like Jordan Peterstein said:
<"You don't have to put up with children's bullshit"You can just opt out and say: "Well, feel free to make the last post ITT, you fucking manchild..."
>>164881>You can just opt out and say: "Well, feel free to make the last post ITT, you fucking manchild..."This.
A baller gang came to shit this bread and they are getting frustrated and making a fuzz because OP won't take them seriously.
>>164882you know, this is observably, demonstrably false. I grew up in Florida and once or twice a year my old man would take me up to watch shuttle launches. They went up but they sure didn't come down for a few days.
>>164883>you know, this is observably, demonstrably falseI guess your old man took you with him in day time. The photograph is a night time capture with a very long exposure to capture the rocket's real trajectory.
>>164884>very long exposurePerhaps ISO 3200.
>>164884actually I'm going to say with almost certainty that I was there for STS-84's launch, the time of year feels right and I remember we had to get up REALLY early to go catch it
Launched: May 15, 1997 4:07:48 a.m. EDT
Landing Site: Kennedy Space Center, Florida
Landing: May 24, 1997, 9:27:44 a.m. EDT
>>164886and to answer your next cope:
6:32 AM
Thursday, May 15, 1997 (EDT)
Sunrise in Daytona Beach, FL
>>164886>>164887Checking your NASA charts?
>>164881Would that it were so simple.
Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, but the flat earth psyop is as subversive to objective reality as the transgender craze, just targeting a different demographic.
>>164889>sheer dishonestyFlat Earth is based on demonstrable and reproducible experiments, not to mention wide inconsistencies in the heliocentric model.
Transgender craze is based on political correctness which by definition is deliberated distortion of language, when not suppression of inconvenient facts.
>>164891Splitting hairs, they both involve a denial of objective reality with spurious ideas brought about by ignorant and stupid people
https://youtu.be/ww47bR86wSc
>>164892Ahem, even if the video at first glance looks sound, jew propaganda is not welcome.
>>164893>literal ad hominem
>>164889I could see this. Making up wacky shit and associating it with your enemies they do all the time
I cringe when it's mentioned by people like Sven or Mike, even though they're usually good. I've also seen a few sites make articles about Nazi flat-earthers
>>164892Literal jewTube propaganda, what are you doing?
The stupid people are the one's that watch propaganda for entertainment or think it's a good thing to post
Like I get videos can make good points (though they're not a replacement for you saying something yourself), but these kinds of videos are tailor-made propaganda, even has the whole literal atrocity propaganda at the start
The whole thing is masturbating redditor types because they watch it and go
>"haha, yes, those dummy dumbos are so dumb, good thing I am better than them and believe mr youtube man, haha, I'm smart"None of it makes sense, it's just presented as if it does and implies, obviously, that if you don't follow it you are one of the dumbos
>You can fight against malice but not idiocy because you can use violence against malicious peopleLike this. What is it supposed to mean? It's stated like it's profound but you can obviously punch a dumb person exactly as much as an evil person, every sentence in these is some kind of "if you kill your enemies, they win" stupid bullshit that's just meant to sound like it makes sense
I dare you to take a sentence out of that video that makes a concrete and useful point that you can actually back up. What's the point of the video? What is the point you're trying to make? Why post it? Stupid people are stupid and bad and don't think right? Why do you need to make this point? Why do you feel as if you can't make it yourself?
What's /Flat Earth General/'s Opinion on The Holocaust?
>>164888yes, I googled scheduled STS launches because I was a child at the time. I'm sorry, is my objective, personal experience not good enough for you retard? KSFS launches are public for the most part, go watch one if you can scrape together enough allowance for a bus ticket to Florida
>>164891>wide inconsistenciesDozens of inconsistencies have been pointed out with the flat-earth model as well, many of which you've refused to reply to in this thread. I can't even count all the times the things you've asserted have been either refuted logically, or directly contradicted with more substantial evidence. Most of the time you just scroll past them and pretend they don't exist, because they obviously pointed out gaping inconsistencies in what you just said.
>>164891>based on demonstrable and reproducible experimentsEven more have been done confirming that the earth is flat, but you've dismissed every single one of them as "NASA shills" without actually disputing their studies for their material.
You've set an impossible standard for any scientist or witness that could have refuted your worldview through ad hominem alone, because apparently everyone who proves you wrong is a "NASA/Freemason shill", even when they have no apparent connection to either organization. You claim that actors like NASA have absurd amounts of far-reaching influence on every continent, without any evidence to support it, let alone why or how; if you asked any other /pol/ack how or why the Jews control the global media and politics, you'd get a mountain of evidence in minutes, but you keep dodging those same questions about NASA. You lump all of them together as part of some grand conspiracy that has supposedly gotten all those separate parties to agree with seamless efficiency. You refuse to answer to anyone who makes an evidence-backed argument as a "shill" (ad hominem), without even trying to refute their arguments. You claim, without evidence, that any video or photograph that challenges your worldview is "photoshopped" without providing evidence or even trying to pursue evidence (such as checking noise patterns).
Not only that, preemptively excluding anyone who might have a connection to aerospace, geography or astrology organizations (in ALL countries, apparently) effectively excludes all scientists in that field, leaving only sketchy YouTubers as an excuse for a source.
What kind of argument would actually convince you? What kind of scientific source would you even consider acceptable if it proved the earth was round? What's your actual standard of evidence? Who would you accept that kind of evidence from? What kind of evidence would you consider to meet your standards of proof? Do you seriously only accept evidence that reaffirms your worldview?
How is anyone supposed to take you seriously like this? Is this how you intend to convince people that the world is flat?
And ffs, why doesn't this thread have IDs? It's impossible to have a consistent argument like this.
>>164896That the theory of idiocy was derived in Nazi Germany in concentration camps has no bearing on the phenomenon, and I postrd it cuz OP is precisely the sort of idiot that is described in the video, since you're so quick on the uptake
>>164901Wanna see him lose his shit?
Not a freemason, but I AM a Senior DeMolay; the youth version of freemasonry.
That oughta give him all the paranoid rope he'll need.
>>164902Almost like OP didnt want to have a legitimate discussion
>>164882>meme>no meme or rationale to explain the curving phenomenaTo answer the question, the rocket curves *because* the world is round: because the world isn't flat, gravity doesn't pull straight 'down', but towards the center of the earth, which is why a long-range rocket's path is a segment of an ellipse.
And, in a hypothetical circumstance that we lived on a flat 'realm' where 'gravity' represented a single-direction force, the rocket would still curve, because the rocket would travel both horizontally and vertically, but only it's vertical travel would be affected by said one-dimensional gravity: the difference is that for flat earth the rocket would be a sharper parabola, rather than an elliptical segment, and long-range rockets would be less of a pain to aim.
>>164883I'm a Florida Man too. I don't go that often though. Too much driving, and I'm not fond of crowds.
>>164888He doesn't need a chart to tell you if it was day or night.
What are you trying to argue here?
>>164906I was one of those "I wanna be an astronaut" kids so when the old man had enough gas to take me up I went, just like Disney
1000 year old Flat Earth map.
>>165088>shard earth image at the beginningNow you're talking. Oh wait, nevermind. Nice claims, be even mocer if there was anything to vet, like someone alive in this century, or anything more than unverifiable claims
>>165089>unverifiable claimsSuch as like this realm is a ball?
>>165090There are plenty of clues and hard experiments debunking the planet baloney, for example
>>149637
>>165090Only if you're willfully ignorant
>>165091Still thinking that a bunch of guys on a boat cant produce enough error and variance in angle/calculation to produce those results eh?
>>165092>guys on a boatIncorrect. It is guys on the shore pointing at the distance. According to the paid "honorable and trustworthy scientists", the curvature would make the laser beam impossible to see. But because of the laser can be seen, their lies are busted.
Speaking of lasers, remember the time they spent $20k to buy a laser gyroscope to prove there was no actual planetary rotation, and accidentally proved there was rotation? Cuz, ya know, its not flat?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.triplem.com.au/story/flat-earthers-spend-20-000-trying-to-prove-earth-is-flat-accidentally-prove-it-s-round-129953"What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift," Knodel explains. "A 15-degree per hour drift.
"Now, obviously we were taken aback by that - 'Wow, that's kind of a problem.'
"We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for easy to disprove it was actually registering the motion of the Earth."
You know what they say: If your experiment proves you wrong, just disregard the results!
"We don't want to blow this, you know?" Knodel then says to another Flat Earther. "When you've got $20,000 in this freaking gyro.
"If we dumped what we found right now, it would be bad? It would be bad.
"What I just told you was confidential."
Thanks Bob
>>165094>You know what they say: If your experiment proves you wrong, just disregard the results!This is exactly what the "respectable scientists" do all the time. Their experiment fails and they ask for more money to reach the result wanted by the establishment, and if not experiment can match the answer they want, they pull deliriant theories from their asses and promote them as truth. It is fucking preposterous.
>>165096Oh, noticed this:
No wonder you lot like to use that calculator to 'debunk' the curve; it's wrong
>>165097>it's wrong>>>/github/
>>165098No idea what you're going for, the earth is NOT a sphere, plain and simple
>hurrr, cuz its flatIts an oblate sphereoid. The curvature is different depending on where you ARE on the planet. Theres no simplified calculation that can give you accurate results that do not account for first calculating the exact curvature a specific area will show.
>it wouldnt be that significant tho!Wont know until the correct calculations are done then. Something you fags stll need to work on, correct calculations. But that would get in the way wouldnt it?
See, when a person is convicted to an idea, they tend to strawman the opposition's argument in their haste to try and debunk it. This manifests as a lack of due diligence when attempting to present the opposition's position. Such as using a simplified version of the model and then debunking that simplified (read: inaccurate) model.
>but but, thats what you're doingNo, Im mot trying to debunk your/their model. Im pointing to the untenable elements of the equation, which would give rise to the skewed results one is seeing.
If you can find evidence that dozens of holes CAN'T be poked in, Ill be the first to admit it.
Still waiting tho
As you can see indicated in the previous citation and this one from their sourcepage, no allowance was made for the sphereoid natureof the planet, they are calculating it as though the planet is a theoretical (read: perfect) sphere.
Thats the problem.
>>165100>Thats the problem.None when the equation is translated to real life measurements. This bread has plenty of info and REPRODUCIBLE experiments (as the Scientific Method demands) to make your shilling improper as best, dishonest at worst.
>>165099>Its an oblate sphereoid.And how you know?
>>165101You see that R figure on the image? That stands for RADIUS. with a SPHEREOID, the radius is NEVER EQUAL. Therefore, any equation that tries to use them AS equal, is FLAWED. Moving on
>>165102Because people who can conduct proper experiments and equations have been doing so for millennia. Moron
Correction: if you're willing to crunch the numbers and illustrate how the variance is/would-be negligable, that would be a credible counterpoint. Its plausible, given the localized environment of the experiment.
Having said, the radius from the earth's core to the equator is longest, and the radius from the north pole to the core is the shortest.
>>165103I think Eratosthenes was the first to do a real experiment proving that the Earth is round so I think technically only one millennium
People have been sailing on ships for millennia though, and people even before Eratosthenes saw how boats sink below the horizon instead of shrinking forever, but idk if that counts as an experiment
Also this
>During lunar eclipses, Aristotle observed that earth casts a curved shadow onto the surface of the moonhttps://thecreationclub.com/the-shape-of-the-earth-aristotle-and-the-scientific-method/>Aristotle was not the first person to argue that Earth is round – earlier arguments date back to the 6th century B.C. But Aristotle seems to be the first to offer observational evidence using the earth’s-shadow method.According to this also only one millennium. Also apparently I was wrong about Eratosthenes since this is saying 6th century BC and Eratosthenes was like 1-2nd or something
IIRC, the flat-earth explanation for it is that it's a random undetected, unseeable, second moon or sister planet that causes the eclipse, and that one is round for some reason
>>165112>hey hey guys, heres another Facebook meme! This one is super smart too!
>>165112This is pure nonsense. Light and images aren't beams. You should be able to see the moon and it's reflection from multiple angles.
>>165112Kinda fun to make but I wish the meme didn't use such a dumb model since it's hard to get a nice trail reflection like in the image with these relative scales, though I also think I made my waves too high, and it's BSDF instead of a glass shader for actually reflective water since that would take way too long to render
>>165122*actually refractive water
>>165122Youre not taking that meme seriously, are you? Like, the image is so ridiculously modified that its absurd. Especially funny, givrn how flat earthers are all up in arms about "NASA edits" n shit. Like seriously, has one never seen a r3flection of the moon? Its not prominent,
in fact the reflection of the moon is proportionate to its size in the night's sky, and such memes are disingenuous on their face.
But its quite obvious when it happens.
The flat earth thread is homosexual.
Every so often a new meme is posted, insulting people who know the earth is round. Flatties can't prove their world is flat, they just imitate a liberal's idea of conservative talking points like AI.
Speaking of AI...
Wouldn't it be funny to turn an AI racist like Tay?
https://youtu.be/hUQNiy4K7VU
>>165125Not exactly mistaken, but still off-topic.
>>>/ub/5774 →
>>165130>Polaris stays putIt just stays northish due to it's relative position to the pole of the northern hemisphere, tracing out a small circle. It still moves vaguely, it's just that you could only tell the significant distance if you were at the north pole. The night sky changes overtime anyway. It even changes with the seasons; that's why we can see different parts of the stars at different times of the year, and why people come up with horoscopes or whatever based on what stars are most visible on a particular month.
>19.2 billion milesA mere inch in the vastness of space. The galaxy is absolutely enormous, and the void between galaxies is even bigger.
>Galaxy is movingPolaris is part of the milky way Galaxy, so how far the galaxy is moving isn't isn't significantly relevant because Polaris would be moving at the same speed as our sun relative to all the other stars in the galaxy.
>>165130https://www.quora.com/Has-an-amateur-astronomer-measured-a-stellar-parallax?share=1This data was generated by Dennis di Cicco, impressively using mass produced 11 and then 16 inch Schmidt Cassegrain telescopes. The sine-like pattern is consistent with the expected parallax associated with Barnard's 1.833 parsec distance. It is worth noting that each of those points is derived from hundreds or thousands of digital images which were stacked, analyzed, and averaged to compensate for the disruptive effects of Earth's atmosphere, the greatest single hindrance to ground-based astrometry.
>>165130>>165135>>165136>ITT: OP shares an unsourced meme he found on Reddit/Facebook without even bothering to research the claims it makes for even one minuteMany such cases.
>>165135>It just stays northish due to it's relative position to the pole of the northern hemisphere, tracing out a small circle.Sorry, not good enough.
That star is fixed and no amount of shilling can deny it. The heliocentric theory is bullocks,
>>165135>It still moves vaguelyI strongly disagree. When sailing, a sextant is used to know the current position, that's done pointing at Polaris and it is more than accurate. If the star moves, even slightly, the errors in the charts would be evident as they won't match with IRL coordinates.
>>165150>>165147It's movement is only visible in the middle of the Arctic circle. It is just barely off-center.
But that aside, how would that prove that the earth were flat?
Oh, as I went back over the thread I found this post:
>>149123It went through that arguement on how ships sink at horizon. How these ships reappear when you zoom in, meaning it the ship isn't hidden behind any curvature.
The only explanation to prove otherwise would be that those videos are fake, unlikely imo.
The second vid in this post shows and series of photos of a man walking away from a camera on football field. His lower body sinks below the horizon line. I can still not wrap my head around how this visual phenomena happens but clearly the football field is to small of a distance to experince any curvature.
I'm gonna try to recreate this as an experiment for myself. I'll lay with my cheek against hte ground of at the goalposts of a football field and then try to see the bottom of the bag I dropped at the other end.
If the bag's bottom is gone, this doesn't necessarily prove the earth is flat but it does prove that black man scientist is using faulty reasoning in his proofs in the last vid in this post. That alone speaks volumes to me.
>>165152>But that aside, how would that prove that the earth were flat?Pretty evident Sherlock, the supposedly ball is jumping non stop and therefore the stars on the dome should also move accordingly, but they don't because Earth is fixed and unmovable.
See
>>165130 and plenty of posts above.
>>165154The stars are part of the same galaxy, so they're moving with relative relation to the earth as well.
The sky changes over time, but it takes thousands of years because there's so much distance to travel.
This doesn't prove anything.
>>165155>The sky changes over time, but it takes thousands of years because there's so much distance to travel.>but it takes thousands of yearsExactly, nobody was there thousands of years ago. Just trust us. /s
>>165156>Implying if you don't personally see it, it can't possibly be trueWell, you could refer to ancient Egyptians who built a pyramid at exactly 30 degrees longitude and latitude in their time based on the stars above them, while the stars above them shifted to change those coordinates since then.
The sky changes over time. It has in human history.
And tbh, the sky changing slightly over time doesn't even necessitate the world being round. It could happen in flat earth too.
>>165157>Implying if you don't personally see it, it can't possibly be trueThe Scientific Method
demands that observations and experiments to be reproducible. If only a selected priest caste has the means to do it, more yet, their sponsors forbid anyone to build and fly airships without their consent and regulation, then the Scientific Method is violated and what is left are just myths based on faith.
>>165158>observations and experiments to be reproducibleI I go through all the work to find the data for this and explain it step by step how they came to that conclusion, are you actually going to take it seriously, or are you going to just dismiss immediately because astronomers were the ones who did it?
>>165157>And tbh, the sky changing slightly over time doesn't even necessitate the world being round. It could happen in flat earth too.There is a theory about it, precisely the one suspecting that there is a lot more land beyond the Antarctic wall.
>>165158>has the means to do itOkay, I know science is often controlled by corporate greed, but how do you expect the means for scientific experiments to be distributed evenly? Science has always been done by those with means: the equipment to do so isn't free.
Not denying the obvious corruption or conflicts of interest in the scientific communities or their sponsors, but I'm just curious about how you think scientific institutions should be run/funded.
>>165159>I I go through all the work to find the data for this and explain it step by step how they came to that conclusion, are you actually going to take it seriouslyI don't think so, your train of thought is about to pick "space", "cosmos", "gravitational forces" and alike up. All of them are demonstrable non-sense and a hoax.
>>165162So, no, you wouldn't take it from astronomers then, even if they wrote their steps out entirely.
What kind of source would you even accept to prove it then? What is your standard of evidence?
Idk how anything is supposed to be proved if people go about dismissing those who dedicated their lives to studying the topics without reading them.
>>165162Forgot to call him
Le Mason while you're at it.
>>165163>What kind of source would you even accept to prove it then?A faceberg meme, of course.
>>165162>demonstrableThese have been demonstrably reaffirmed by scientists all over the world who publish their results step-by-step. You're quick to dismiss those refutations as "NASA shilling" though.
>>165160Do you seriously not think there's any land in Antarctica? You think all those photos are fake?
>>165166>These have been demonstrably reaffirmed by scientists all over the world who publish their results step-by-step.There is something very wrong with their science. No curve ---> no planet ---> no space ---> no cosmos ---> no gravity
Just not finding the curve makes the whole "science" fall down like a house of cards.
>>165167What is beyond the Antarctic wall is unknown, pictures and video only show a few kilometers from the shore, exploration is forbidden under threats of violence.
>>165153>but it does prove that black man scientist is using faulty reasoning in his proofs
>>165168>curveThe curve has been shown evidently by hundreds of sources. You've been selectively choosing results that reaffirm your worldview.
But of course, anyone who isn't a shady YouTuber or a Facebook memer is a NASA shill, right?
>spaceHoly shit, the world doesn't even need to be round for that. It is a fact of life that the air gets thinner with higher altitude. Go hiking in the mountains after spending a year at sea level and you'll know.
Can you not even imagine a "realm" where the air is so thin that there's basically nothing at all?
That aside, there's hundreds of different forms of evidence that space exists, but I'm not even going to bother listing them this time because all of the other times I did you called them "NASA shills".
>no cosmosThe "cosmos" are whatever you see in the sky above you: something you can literally see.
>no gravityAgain, has been confirmed and reaffirmed in so many different ways, but you wouldn't accept even a single source that contradicts your worldview. So now we're just contradicting each other to no end.
>>165169>We'd totally prove our worldview, but the scary NASAmasons would kill us!They can't stop Japs from hunting whale to extinction there, but they can somehow track every individual who sets foot on the ice and have caught everyone who's tried to see past it?
What utter bullshit. For a group of people who claim to be rebelling against the new world order, you lot come off as awfully cowardly. Imagine being afraid of blue helmets.
>>165169>exploration is forbiddenYou know scientists go to Antarctica for research all of the time, right? It's not that hard to get approved. I had a professor who went there.
>>165174>You know scientists go to Antarctica for research all of the time, right?Not sure if you think people are stupid or your IQ is below 60.
>>165175I don't expect you to believe it. You're probably just going to call them fakes/shills.
>>165176Well, we have already millions of nurses and doctors who denied reality by going along with a non-existent epidemic, because of the money. And this is a glaring example of how corrupt humanity has become.
>>165171>>165172Welcome to the flat earth thread, where all your carefully constructed arguments will be summarily ignored, and OP will insist that his boomer-tier memes make sense
>>165218>8:06 - The genesis of the modern Flat Earth SocietyYou are being way too dishonest, it is well known that the Flat Earth Society is controlled opposition used to ridicule Flat Earth.
Either you demonstrate the curvature or you have no case.
>>165219>posting a video is dishonestSure thing bud. What is it when you've been presented with dozens of resources that display curvature, but refuse to even acknowledge the post (presumably to avoid illustraying that you cant contest the points, other than to maybe claim nasa/mason/wtfe shill)?
Hint, it's related to the word 'ignore'
>>165220>What is it when you've been presented with dozens of resources that display curvatureWhich has been debunked over and over again in the bread.
>Hint, it's related to the word 'ignore'I agree. Projecting much?
>>165221>saying mason or nasa once and then never adding anything is 'debunking'>also you're the one who's ignorantRight? All those equations and calcularions and historic citations, the moon, the tides, all 'debunked' cuz Eric Dubay cant into actual science, and OP cant into critical thinking.
>>165222>All those equations and calcularions and historic citations, the moon, the tides, all 'debunked' cuz Eric DubayNope, all debunked by IRL experiments and observations.
At this point you are not even pretending with your shilling.
>>165223>debunked by IRL experiments and observations from people performing irrelevant and inadmissible as evidence due to alack of controlsFtfy
>>165223>all debunked by IRL experiments and observations.None of that met generally accepted standards of quality or precision for experiments.
>shillingDo you actually think that, or are you just talking out of your ass? You think Anons here argue with you because they're paid to do it, and not just because you keep shoving absurdist nonsense in their faces?
So long as this crap keeps coming up on the overboard, idiots are still going to take the bait and reply to it. There is no shilling, because they do it for free.
>>165226Ridiculous notions demand ridicule; it's flat-shaming.
>>165341No, THIS is flat-shaming.
>>165341>>165344>flat-shamingAmateurs.
>>165347>Mark TwainAll that ad homenim, and you just quoted a literal, open, known Freemason.
Which is not to discredit the quote; it's a decent quote, but an example how something can make sense despite who says it, so long as it's substantial.
Think of that next time you dismiss/discredit a scientific study because people in the business of studying space might be affiliated with NASA, and judge the arguments on the substance and not the speaker.
Give up already globeheads
>Think the NASA moon hoax is bad? Check out the Russian moon hoax
>Actual broadcast footage of a Russian lander on the moon. Hey? Who paved the roads on the moon for your toy to move across?
And the normies still swallow this swill.
>>165426What are these videos from?
>>165427Russian space program, landing on the moon.
>How to Fake Space by Astronaut Karen Nyberg
>>165434You're right. The obvious children's show should have chartered a trip to space so that fan submissions can be authentically displayed in zero gravity. In the 70's, by the video quality.
Nothing ridiculous about that position.
>>165433I mean where can I find the video? What's this one called.
>>165437As I suspected: this was a promotional video, not actual footage.
>"The LK Russian: Lunniy Korabl (Лунный корабль—"lunar ship") was a Soviet lunar lander and counterpart of the American Lunar Module (LM). The LK was to have landed up to two cosmonauts on the Moon. It completed development and was test flown successfully in Earth orbit, but never reached the Moon because development of the N1 rocket, which was required to take the Lunar Lander to the Moon, was unsuccessful."This was never meant to be presented as real.
>>165438>>165426This isn't a hoax. It's a demo video to show how the fober was supposed to drive. It was released before the launch was scheduled. It wasn't meant to be passed off as real.
Ffs, this is why you have to read the descriptions of things before sharing them. What a waste of time.
>>165440>What a waste of time.It is not. Most people have no idea that the Russian and Chinese, not to mention Iran, North Korea and Japan, are also involved in the space hoax.
Hey guys did you know the earth is flat and space is a myth and stars aren't real? It's true, because a meme calls everyone who disagrees stupid. Just look at the sky outside and tell me if you see Venus or Keppler or Todano or Anur any other alien world. If there are no aliens why do no aliens want to have sex with me hmm? Clearly the crests are to blame. Get owned globetard. It is as the genius Kanye East said...
>AEIOU stars arent real
The Earth is round like a pregnant mare
>>165442>space is a myth and stars aren't real?Well, you can see by yourself.
>>155834
>>165443>Black science man>a nigger able to grasp time and abstractionsTotally credible. /s
>>165450Says the fag posting facebook memes and shit
>>165445>Science says acturus is like, super far. But like, I can tots see it. Checkmate globeys
>>165444>The Earth is round Flat like a pregnant mareFixed for ya
>>165454Show me a pregnant mare that's flat
Go on, you took the bait. You 'fixed that for me', so pony up. Show me the flat pregnant mare that 'fixes' what I said.
>>165461>Go on, you took the bait.Yeah right.
>>165441That video literally wasn't a hoax, because it was publicly a promotional video.
The waste of time is that the poster presented it as if it had been passed-off as real footage, which it never was.
>>165454Since when are pregnant mares flat?
>>165465>The waste of time is that the poster presented it as if it had been passed-off as real footageIt is obvious that no cameraman would be already on the moon to film the landing.
>>165468Yeah, because it's not supposed to be real. It's literally just a promo video, like the ones you see in toy stores.
Hey OP, what's the speed of light?
If the earth is flat why are boobies round?
August 16, 2022.
>Why are There No Flat Earth Whistle-Blowers?>When confronted with objective, demonstrable, empirical proof that Earth is not a fantastical tilting, wobbling, spinning space-ball, one sticking point that globe defenders consistently revert back to is, if the evidence flat Earthers are presenting is true, then why has there not been a single whistle-blower to come forward and expose this mother of all conspiracies? How is it possible that not one of the hundreds of thousands of people that NASA has employed over the decades has come forward and admitted the hoax? What about the Russians, the Chinese, the Japanese and all the other government space agencies along with SpaceX, Virgin Galactic, Blue Origin and other corporate space enterprises? If Earth is not a globe and we never went to the Moon, why haven't these governments or corporations tattletaled on each other and exposed this massive lie to the masses?https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Why-are-There-No-Flat-Earth-Whistle-Blowers:fMirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LJGKUCpVhHi1/
>165510
>objective, demonstrable, empirical proof
Gaslighting, again. Your lack of comprehension dpes not constitute evidence
>>165510since you missed it the first time:
>>165479
>>165510Eric Dubay is a glow-op plant from an actual Freemason family, who propagates strawman nonsense about Flat Earth to discredit the Flat Earth movement and quash free and open discourse on the subject so that his followers stay distracted from researching real inconsistencies.
>>165510I can't believe people still support this IFER shill. He talks past his audience and distracts them all the while discouraging actual independent flat earth research while sicking his Facebook trannies on independent researchers who dare to contradict him.
>>165513>>165514>shilling hardNot good enough. Try again.
By the way, if you can find the curve, please post it here.
>>165515>Criticize Eric (((Dubay)))'s monopolizing of Flat Earth discourse and censoring any criticism of Jesuits on his platform>Somehow this is shilling in behalf of... Someone?Nice try tranny. Go back to licking the boots of that lying Hofjuden. Surely there is no connection between the groups. They're totally uninvolved, because that "well-researched" said so. No further discussion is required.
>>165516Stay on topic. Proof of the curvature may help a lot.
>>165517Where did I say that there was a so-called curve? I'm saying that Eric and his trannies are full of shit and have been subverting the movement for years with his bullshit.
>Stay on topicSo long as Eric Dubay and his shills keep monopolizing flat earth research, he IS the topic. He's got more than half the movement wrapped around his finger, and he's using his """credibility""" to silence independent researchers.
>>165518>So long as Eric Dubay and his shills keep monopolizing flat earth research, he IS the topic.Absurd.
A man doesn't make the subject, but physical reality. Stop gaslighting with not related wild claims and stick to the topic.
>>165519He doesn't make the subject, he monopolizes it. That's why he torpedos opposing flat earthers all of the time and bans them from his platforms. He is a fucking plant and a profiteer manipulating people looking for truth.
>>165520>He doesn't make the subject, he monopolizes it.You are choosing to go personal, and again, it is off topic.
>>165519>not related wild claimsHow is blatant controlled opposition not related? This is the thread about the globers mythos, isn't it? Eric Dubay is a part of the whole NASA glow-op coverup. His job is to keep flat earth researchers eating sterilized breadcrumbs out of his palm to make them easier to control and prevent truthers from taking decisive action. I wouldn't be surprised if he reports directly to the 32nd Degree while laughing about how his fans uplift him as a "leader" in "opposition" to Judeao-freemasonry. That race-mixing turbonigger has been taking his own followers for fools, and his sockpuppet Thai tranny worshippers only reinforce his cult of personality.
>>165521>muh topicOh, what are you gonna do, tranny? Are you gonna ban me from the thread like your savior Eric does to all the other independent researchers on his forums? Are you gonna go cry to the mods? Can't handle criticism of an obvious 32nd Degree Jesuit plant? Give me a fucking break. Newsflash: just because someone tells bits and pieces of truth doesn't mean they're not USING YOU.
>>165522>Eric Dubay is a part of the whole NASA glow-op coverupSubstantiate the claim. Go on, I'm interested.
>>165523He is from a Freemason family. His own great uncle was a member of the 32'd Degree, and Eric himself has been seen wearing masonic pins before he got into this.
You don't think it's weird how so much of the flat earth truth movement revolves around one personality? How, despite uncontested control of the media by NASA, Dubay has never been substantially threatened? Why his videos alone are so easy to access on the internet, when even toothless clowns like Alex Jones need to keep jumping platforms? How he's able to post his videos with impunity while others are silenced or killed every day? Why he's able to have such a following despite whistleblowers being treated, killed and made examples of? There's an obvious reason why they won't get rid of him: he's no threat to them. His purpose is to control the narrative so that independent researchers can't make achievements, and so that his videos smother any groundbreaking discoveries and prevent action from being taken so that Flat Earth researcher can't make any gains.
And based on his behavior, he's done a good job of that. He's got an enormous following of Facebook normies who believe everything he tells them just because they include crumbs of truth that NASA doesn't consider to be threatening to the narrative, and more importantly he keeps them from looking into things that could actually harm them, like the Jesuit connection between the Freemasons and the globist hoax.
He talks about Jews the same way other controlled opposition clowns like Spencer do, while not saying anything that could actually cause them to face consequences. And despite "calling out" Jews on the globist narrative, he's painfully silent on the other more atrocious crimes of the Jews, like white replacement and genocide (which he willfully participates in by cohorting with Thai trannies).
He silences skeptics and voices that dare to try to turn the narrative away from himself so he can ensure that all flat earth discussions stay on topic related to whatever he just posted that month.
>>165524>His own great uncle was a member of the 32'd DegreeYup, and he publicly disavowed him and cut all ties.
>He silences skeptics and voices that dare to try to turn the narrative away from himselfIncorrect, he bans shills and any other trying to derail the subject, like (you).
>>165524>He talks about Jews the same way other controlled opposition clowns like Spencer do, while not saying anything that could actually cause them to face consequences.Not true. Dubay is known for praising NatSoc and avoiding any contact with jews promoting Flat Earth.
>>165525>he publicly disavowed himOnly after it was pointed out repeatedly and he could no longer cover it up.
>he bans shills and any other trying to derail the subject, like (you).Oh, so anyone who criticizes Dubay and his impotent vicegrip on the flat earth research community is a shill who needs to be silenced? Nobody can have that opinion genuinely? Anyone who opposes /ourguy/, not flat earth, is a shill? A heretic that must be purged by the Jesuit oath?
That really says a lot about what you think of him.
>>>r/The_DonaldMight be more your speed.
Don't let the door hit you in the maggot-ridden faux vagina on the way out.
>>165528Slander is all you got. Very jewy of (you).
>>165527>praising NatSocSo did Spencer. That doesn't make him legitimate, nor does it make him an actual threat to Jews.
It's not just what you say about Jews, but what you say should be done about them, and the results thereof.
At this stage, it doesn't actually bother Jews to be implicated in the glove conspiracy, because the average globist normie is so deep in the works that it doesn't effectively harm them; in fact, Jews have weaponized the words of impotent glow-ops like Eric Dubay to not only discredit Flat Earth researchers, but to discredit truthers about Judaism too.
If he actually cared about removing Jews, he'd list the names of more specific Jews who've directly leading the globist agenda, but he won't because that might put his continued Hofjuden shekels in jeopardy.
Stop acting like this faggot is your savior just because he's "brave" and keeps telling you what you want to hear. It's barely better that taking narratives directly from NASA.
>>165529Oh, pardon. Was I wrong about what I said? Are you willing to refute that, or are you too afraid that Eric "Trust The Plan" Dubay might not actually be on your side?
Open your fucking eyes.
>>165530>>165531>slanderous shillingWould you mind to return to the bread's topic.
>>165532>implying criticism of a major player in globist agenda isn't on topic>getting this buttmad about the reputation of a lying crypto-JesuitTopkek. Why are dubtroons so mad about the fact that they're being MKULTRA'd
>>165534>I'm not butthurt at all>D-don't mind that I replied to it 10 times!The absolute state of Dubay trannies.
I can see that you're stuck too far up his gaping AIDs-ridden asshole to be convinced, but next time you tune in to one one his videos, pay attention to what he DOESN'T say just as much as you consider what he does.
>>165535(((They))) aren't sending their best anymore.
Goodnight.
>>165536Of course they aren't. They're sending faggots like Eric and his orbiters.
Sweet dreams, tranny.
>>165537In case you missed, take a look to the book title, faggot.
>>165538>N-no you're the infiltrator! There's no way Eric could be!I see you haven't actually gone to bed. Typical Dubay simp, just has to put one more word in when his husbando is insulted.
Next you're probably going to go crying to the mods like you do on all his platforms.
>>165515>>165517You mean other than the pics and video that you keep choking except to claim 'debunked' without merit?
>>165524Ngl, that IS interesting
>>165539Thank you, that was hilarious. I hope you dont honestly think a flat earth is a credible position, but I appreciate you taking the time to indicate how unsupportable Dubay/OP is in their position.
>>165540Watch your fucking mouth, globist.
>>165540>>165541>copingSeriously, would you mind to bring hard scientific facts instead of character assassination and straw mans?
>>165542>the burden of proof is on YOU, goy!What do you want some bank receipt from his Jesuit overlords? You want me to get one from every other NASA shill in the world too? I guess I'll just call their accountant.
>His actions speak for themselves. Have you seen how hard he polices his chat forums? He's fine letting his troons regurgitate whatever he says, but when people try to actually take action he shuts down, silences and bans dissenters. If anyone ever dares to post the addresses of masonic lodges in his chats for the sake of organizing LEGAL protests/watches around them, he has us kicked immediately. He's the enemy of anyone who ever wants to take action to settle this movement nearly 70 years in the making, because he's made it about himself.But we'll totally just beat the globers by converting one Facebook boomer at a time, amirite? No reason to organize around lodges? No reason to demand open debates? No reason to have independent research in the flat earth community? Surely, the problems will just fix themselves, right?
You are an eceleb-worshipping simp. You take any criticism of that troon-enabling racemixer as an affront to the movement, not a critique on his bloated ego. Flat earth was doing fine before he came about. We'd all be better off without him.
But surely, I'm just a shill, right? Surely NASA pays me to shitpost about him on this board, when you and I both know they have the resources to kill him and make it look like a yoga accident, if they actually wanted to that is (they don't).
>>165541Theres that ignorant narcissism that flat earthers are known for. Post more ebin FB maymays yo!
>>165542So, NOT the video of a supertanker very clearly, slowly, and deliberately crossing over the horizon, as well as a multitude of other evidence that any rational thinking person would realize refutes the whole premise?
>>165544>perspective and refractionTry again against a hard laser shore to shore. You can't beat that baller.
>>165545>perspective and refraction explains why ships disappear over the horizonAs I said, ignorant narcissim
Speaking of lasers, I assume you have conducted the experiment?
Also speaking of lasers, thanks Bob
>>165547My latest post was about that ship thing. The counter arguement that I found in this thread, it's relatively early in the thread, to the idea that ships "sinks" at the horizon because of the curvature was a video were a guy zoomed out from having a perfectly in view and then it disappeared into the horizon. I think it "sunk" as he zoomed out but it went a bit fast, so it's a bit hard to tell.
The explanation was that the image of the ship converges with the horizon and the first part of it is the bottom part of it. Kinda like foreshortening in drawing, the building's wall that is closests to you is larger then the wall further away but in reality they are both the same size.
I have tested and the horizon does indeed follow eye-level, at least for the height of a human being. Meaning, if you lay down or stand up the horizon follows. This means you test if these visual phenomena exists. All you need is a relatively short distance of flat ground and something to place at the end. Then you can lay down at the other end and if you can't see the object on this parallel and flat distance because the horizon obscures the bottom this phenomena exists and therefore puts the proof of ships sinking at the horizon in question. I haven't found a flat enough surface yet, the pitch I found had a hill in the middle of it. But Neil Tyson made this arguement in one of these videos so if this is true it shows that, he, a professional astrophysist and Ph.D guy, uses faulty proofs.
Anyway, I'm gonna try to find some flat surfaces.
>>165548Yes, and thats a bullshit argument given that the zoom out occurs toward the end of the video, after the overwhelming majority of the ship has already slowly disappeared past the horizon.
And that says nothing of the dozens of pieces of evidence which OP has simply opted to ignore (read: ignorance) because he knows his only recourse is to either fuck off for a few days and come back with more FB memes, or to make non-arguments with le smug pony reaction.
Like thelaser gyroscope incident which IS LITERALLY NOT POSSIBLE on a flat earth.
For the record, Im NOT a globe advocate, Im actually a 'broken egg' advocate, which allows for BOTH the instances of curious findings/readings, WHILE acknowledging and allowing for OBVIOUS proof that the earth ISN'T flat, including and not limited to the laser gyroscope.
But OP isnt interested in coming to a consensus, he just wants to posture like him and Dubay are smarter than fucking EVERYONE, when their own 'evidence' doesnt pass muster.
>>165549>But OP isnt interested in coming to a consensus, he just wants to posture like him and Dubay are smarter than fucking EVERYONEJealous.
>>165550And theres the narcissism
>>165549>DubayThe problem with Dubay isn't him being narcissistic, ignorant or wrong. It's that he's intentionally manipulating other flat-earthers into only discussing the sterile flavor of dialog that his Jesuit masters deem to be acceptable and banning them whenever they drop real truth bombs or organize action to expose the masons.
The globe hoax will continue so long as controlled opposition like Dubay leads flat earth research.
>>165550But of course his tranny orbiters will always spring to action to defend him. Dr. Rodchareon's sessions aren't cheap, right?
Keep up those yoga lessions. Try hard enough and a drunk might mistake you for FEMALE.
>>165552>jesuits and masonsOh, youre also intellectually lazy/dishonest. For sport, can you validate that position, or are you likewise "super duper sure"?
>globe hoaxOh ffs, theres more of them.
Lads, you know who you are, I warned you this would happen.
>>165554The Dubay clan are generational satanists with deep proven connections to the U.S. Army and CIA, and his disgusting Thai concubine is confirmed elite Thai Hofjuden of the Thai Royal Army (aka Masons). They troon-out their offspring from infancy in their perverse NWO Baphomet worship. Just look at his "father"'s feminine shoulder and hip proportions: evidentiary of being a FTM tranny. Eric himself was videotape crossdressing in 'his' youth.
He parades his orbiters with crumbs of truth while stopping them from looking at the big fish. That's IFERS was always so heavily moderated. That's why he keeps banning people for asking too many questions, making constructive criticisms: his JOB is to control the narrative to keep FE under NWO control, so that (((they))) get to decide what gets released and when through the mouth of their false-prophet glow-op whore.
>>165556>>165557That was excellent anon. 5/5 stars, your video confirmed a LOT of things I had intuited.
However, it neglects the point that the Earth is demonstrably not flat. Not saying it's 'round' like contemporary science suggests it is (which I refute btw) but it is conclusively not flat, and if you are wont to suggest it is,... well die in fire cuz you're lost the plot.
>>165560>it neglects the point that the Earth is demonstrably not flat.Of course not, the plane has some mountains in the middle.
>>165568My only hope for this thread is that you'll realize what an insipid fuckwit you are, and lament all the bullshit you have spewn from your fingertips.
Though, there's no doubt that you'll ever admit to it, such is the narcissism you have liberally displayed.
I don't contest that there are issues with the professed globe model, I've admitted it previously; having said, a rational person could use the multitude of evidence - yours included - to conclude that the earth is not flat. That you persist is on you, and I wish you well in that realization.
>>165569Don't forget about the firmament, and the gravity hoax.
>>165570Yes, the firmament and gravity hoax - as depicted by ignorant retards - is also completely false, baseless, and the sort of thing only a child who likewise believes in Santa Claus would deem credible, thanks for the reminder.
And yes, I did phrase that to allow you to posture more. Do be so kind
It doesn't look like the sun is millions of miles away at all.
>>165578Only if you're retarded
Meanwhile
https://youtube.com/shorts/T0f6u39jlRA?feature=shareCarl Sagan explaining how ancient Greeks knew the Earth is round
Serious question for non-flatties:
Which of the following conspiracy theory groups is MORE plausible?
Flat Earth
-or-
Q anon
?
>>165723Q Anon is the belief that there are good Jews, which is bollocks. It's clearly a Psyop to convince the boomers to sit around and do nothing.
The world turning out to be flat all along is impossible, and more likely than the existence of a good Jew.
>>165724So, you acknowledge that they are comparably ridiculous, impossible, and lacking any evidence that can pass basoc standards?
>>165725>conflating the Q psyop with well documented and undeniable Flat EarthAhem. Have you even read this bread?
>>165726Glow harder faggot
>>165723QAnon is just a bunch of other individual conspiracy theories lumped together by feds to discredit them. It included stuff like Epstein sex trafficking and other plausible scenarios.
>>165737How is this confusing?
When you're at the south pole, every direction is north.
If you were at some ice ring, any place on the ring would be facing north.
>How Can Ushuaia Get 17 Hours of Daylight on a Flat Earth?>During December every year Ushuaia, Argentina, the southern-most city in the world, just below the 54th southern latitude receives over 17 hours of daylight with a maximum of 17 hours and 20 minutes occurring on the Winter Solstice. Globe Earthers often claim this would be impossible on a flat Earth arguing that a local, revolving, spotlight Sun should not be able to illuminate such a southern location for so long.https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/How-Can-Ushuaia-Get-17-Hours-of-Daylight-on-a-Flat-Earth:dMirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/p1BIY7u71dS9/
>>165771>the dome firmament is solid glassKeep grasping at straws, dumbass
>>165557Frenly reminder
>>165774>firmament is solid glassYour words, not Dubay's
>Dubay exposedAlready debunked.
>>165775No, those are definitely his words. So, how does air travel work if the dome is solid? Cuz a hemisphere prism doesnt leave room for,... mountains, for example.
>>1657752:52 - "If our Earth plane is covered by a crystalline translucent dome firmament"
>>165549>Yes, and thats a bullshit argument given that the zoom out occurs toward the end of the video, after the overwhelming majority of the ship has already slowly disappeared past the horizon.Sorry, I don't really follow, could you elaborate.
>>165775>debunkedCitation needed
>>165775Where was that debunked?
>>165778Begging your pardon, but I just spent an hour trying to sift through this whole fucking thread, just to find the video, and I still havent, so no I cant give a more comprehensive answer tha. To refer3nce these stills, which are clearly at the sameleve of zoom.
>>164572
>>165778Found it!
>>163405So. In this video, we watch the slow and painstaking process of supertanker making a right turn while descending over the horizon. Yes, the videographer zooms out and back in on occasion, however the zoom out and in occurs very fast, and couldn't cause the viewer to think that the slow, gradual dissapearance over the horizon has anything to do with the zoom.
Unless you're a flat earth glownigger like OP, that is
>>165777>If our Earth plane is covered by a crystalline translucent dome firmament"It is very different to:
>>165774>firmament is solid glassWould you mind to take some English comprehension classes?
>>165794The effect was produced by a solid prism.
Unless this is crystal magic where a crystal dome produces the same effect as a prism, you're full of shit and you know it, glownigger.
>inb4 some mlp image from the crystal empire against sombra n shit
>>165795>The effect was produced by a solid prismActually a solid semi-sphere, then Dubay introduces the gas ionization phenomena and the difference between sunlight and day light.
Don't be a faggot a stop lying.
>>165797So for the record, are you staking the claim that ionized gas produces a prismic effect?
Yes, it's a hemisphere but its still prismic (as in, effect), by your insistence.
>>165798>prismic effect?Anon, it is obvious that gasses don't meet the prism definition. You are confusing the term perhaps with light diffusion (Physics 101).
>>165800However you did insist on a transparent mysterious solid dome which does fall on as prismatic effect, not only that the speed of light through the various mediums should be calculatable as with the energy required.
Some fuckery is going on.
Not only that but everything that goes on everywhere has to be described in detail and all the stuff has to match up.
I mean this should be a trifle really, in a solid dome the fuck is space rocks that land.
>Flat Earth - Meteors, Comets and Craters>Meteors, meteorites, asteroids, comets, and shooting stars are not what you have been led to believe. https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/FlatEarth-MeteorsCometsandCraters:dMirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8ZogXzFn5Vqw/
>>165802>"Space junk don't exist dumbass."- Eric "Sphereroids? More like hemorrhoids." Dubay
>>165803There's another interesting theory about objects falling from the dome. Not substantiated but it gives food for thought.
>Meteorshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3TVlW8PXkw
>>165781>>165790Thanks for your reply.
I was actually thinking of these videos, reposting them here for the ease of access.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX_eBzCdBTk&ab_channel=EricDubay6:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow2MoLQXJsQ3:14
What do you think about them? The timestamps are the ones that discuss ship's hulls going over the horizon first.
>>165807But again, that's horseshit.
When we're talking about ladies walking, or cars driving, the relative area where the distortive visual effect is at MAX 2', which is acceptable given the threshold of the distortion.
In the video I provided, we're talking about watching AN ENTIRE SUPERTANKER, OVER 100' TALL, SLOWLY CROSS THE VISUAL THRESHOLD OF THE HORIZON.
We are not the same.
>>165808To further clarify this point.
According to Eric Bidet, the proportion of the distorted object (ship) that is obscured is relative to the distance and pverall volume. Meaning, as something becomes more distant and miniscule, the more of it's body becomes obscured, at least if the earth was flat. Which it is not.
You can tell using the ship video, because the overwhelming width of the ship is quite prominent right up until the point that it disappears over the horizon.
Again to Bidet's assertion, the proportion of the vehicle that is distorted should be relative to the overall volume. Thats observably not the case. The entire height of the ship dsappears over the horizon WELL before the width does so. Unless they sailed into a sea of piranha solution, and that supertanker got dissolved from the base up, it is impossible for the flat earth model to account for the ship's disappearance, no matter HOW many straws of 'perspective' and 'zoom' one grasps at.
Simply put, when one comprehends physics, math, proportion, etc. - regardless of what their opinion of round/flat earth - that ONE video conclusively proves that the earth is not flat.
Which is also why OP won't touch that video with a 10 foot pole.
That he persists with this flat earth nonsense while knowing that his position is literally impossible - no matter how much rhetoric/pilpul he attempts - is the cause by which I assert he's a filthy glownigger, probably tasked with monitoring/obfuscating site activity (and most likely, just one of hundreds who have been sent to various chan-boards to keep an eye out for any Christchurch-esque activity).
Having said and having grasped his motivation, his position has long since been illustrated as arguing in bad faith, intellectually dishonest, as well as laughably unsupportable, excepting individuals one or more standard deviations of intellect below the average.
>FLAT EARTH MOON MAP WITH AMAZING DETAILS
Neither the source or content can be proven. Take it with two grains of salt and healthy skepticism.
>Im just gonna ignore the elephant in the room, the thread
I'm still right about flat eattherism.
>>165814Yes, but you'll never get an admission from OP. It's not literal narcissism, but the behavior pattern is the same; you're wrong and he's right, nevermind what the evidence shows
>inb4 hurr, it shows a flat earth>inb4 your words not mine
>>165815>It's not literal narcissism, but the behavior pattern is the same; you're wrong and he's right, nevermind what the evidence showsWhat a coincidence, because the same may apply to (you).
>>165818>n... no u!Factually and evidently incorrect.
My assessment of (you) is based on observation and your displayed behavior. I'm perfectly open to theories that have evidential merit, and I am on record with a 'whackjob' theory of my own. And yet, I manage to avoid patronizing anons, dismissing their positions without merit (I read/watch/reply-to all of your posts, regardless) and outright ignoring evidence I can't contest.
No no, again, that's just (you)
>>165819>(I read/watch/reply-to all of your posts, regardless)... Why? Why are you entertaining this retard with your attention?
You seem to have already understood that he can't be convinced, so why are you still arguing with him? Why not just ignore him? What are you trying to prove?
>>165820>so why are you still arguing with him? Why not just ignore him?Wise advise.
>>165820>>165831A. Because ignorong him could be construed as tacit acceptance and/or user largesse
B. Because more naïve and/or impressionable users might fall for his bullshit othwrise
C. Because faggots like him should be made to feel unwelcome
... to name a few
>>165832(you) cannot please everyponer.
>>165832>tacit acceptance and/or user largesse>largesseI'm impressed.
>faggots like him should be made to feel unwelcomeA bit over the top. Don't (you) think?
>>165834>over the topNot at all. If he was posing the question/ideas to have a discussion, discuss the merits
admit/acknowledge the flaws, and engage in GOOD faith dialogue/exchange, then yes, that would be over the top. IF that's what he was doing.
>>165835>IF that's what he was doing.He said it in the OP, it is about to debunking the globe.
>>165836Reiterating, if he was doing so in good faith, there would be no contest.
>>165832>ignorong him could be construed as tacit acceptance and/or user largesseNo it isn't. You can't go arguing with every retard on a chansite.
>Because more naïve and/or impressionable users might fall for his bullshit othwriseThat's none of your business; and no, they wouldn't.
>Because faggots like him should be made to feel unwelcomeOver the past year+ of arguing, you have not succeeded in making him leave. This isn't worth your attention.
>>165838>tries to conflate Mlpol with all other chansites, including 4chanGet fucked, our demographics are way different than other chans, the circumstances are entirely different
and so the strategy must also be proprietary. Additionally, I
don't argue with every asshole on the site because A. Most assholes dont persist for literal years with a conclusively fallacious premise and B. Because for some reason, people tend to leave the flatty alone.
>none of your businessGet fucked, this site IS my business. Its called TAKING responsibility. If (you) knew the first thing about it, we wouldnt be having this cpnversation/issue.
>he hasnt left, not worth your attentionOh, so now you're concerned with how I value my time? Get fucked thrice. The intent is not to make him leave, (tho it would be nice) the intent is to cement in his and other eager flatties looking for a beachhead of sorts that these ideas and the pilpul methods of asserting then will NOT go unopposed, and will be readily destroyed at leisure, often casually.
>>165839Okay, fine. Argue with him all you want, but for the love of god, sage your posts so the rest of us don't have to see this thread at the top of the overboard/catalog every day.
>>165840>Im the reason its on the overboardGlad you mentioned it.
Why are /vx/ threads on perma-bump? Is it cuz the /vx/ threads are of such quality that exceeds even mainboard threads? Or is there something else to it?
>>165842Sounds like an interesting discussion for /qa/. No idea why the /vx/ catalog is like this.
In the meantime, remember to sage. You're not the only one who argues with OP. I do it too on occasion, but I sage the thread so as to not give it extra attention. Just because OP bumps it doesn't mean you have to.
>>165843>sageRespectfully declined
>I dont know whyI do, and were it not for this thread it wouldnt be an issue. Unfortunately, this thread enjoys the fruits of the otherwise utility of the perma bump on /vx/, which stymies the natural user rejection of such threads as these, if it was to either hit bump limit and be remade or be bumplocked and still be remade.
>/qa/ Riiiiiiiiiight. I'll add it to my letter to Santa while I'm at it.
>>165845>otherwise utility of the perma bump on /vx/What utility?
Flat eartherism is a jewish psyop
>>165846Why, for the rp games, of course
that is, the ones other than dick strangler's, who insists on posting to the mainboard cuz... reasons
>>165848I don't think perma-bumping threads necessarily help games. Making new threads isn't that hard.
>>165849Well, when I was running a game, I insisted that my threads be immediately bump locked, but I had a hard on for AVOIDING the main page and then later, the overboard.
But current GMs,...
ahem insist that it is too troublesome for players to check the thread(s), and further that
lol the audience see when there's activity.
spoiler alert: it ain't gonna change
Imo, bump locking this thread is the correct course of action, but staff is notorious for refusing my seggestions simply because it's me making it.
>>165852Consider saging in the meantime if you don't want it to bump.
It's not hard.
>>165853Thats true, it isnt. But neither is the problem going to be properly addressed if I do so again, respectfully declined.
>>165852>Imo, bump locking this thread is the correct course of action, but staff is notorious for refusing my seggestions simply because it's me making itOne thing is your non-stop screeching because you would have to admit you were living a lie. But to sabotage a thread with bump-locking is totally a different league and shows how far, and low, you are willing to go to silence the opinions and facts you don't like.
Very commie of you.
>>165855>non-stop screeching>to silence the opinions and facts you don't like>Very commie of you.I wonder if
>>165852 is circumcised.
>>165855>>165856Theres the intellectual honesty this thread is known for
Who am I kidding, thats the intellectual honesty the site has been known for, these days.
>>165855>sabotageThis right here. OP considers it sabotage to NOT be able to bump this shit in perpetuity
>>165863Imagine the haters if this thread crosses the 10,000 posts milestone.
>>165864Imagine being so narcissistic to think that not always being on the overboard is censorship
Due to technical concerns brought up by users, bump limit on /vx/ has been lowered to 2,147,483,647. We apologize for any problems that the overly high bump limit has caused.
I want to thank all of our concerned users for pointing out the critical flaw in our bump system that has been with us for years.
https://mlpol.net/vx/50370https://mlpol.net/vx/51841https://mlpol.net/vx/53728https://mlpol.net/vx/55271https://mlpol.net/vx/58626https://mlpol.net/vx/60316Look at those pathetic reply numbers that effectively organizes a campaign of such a scale. The need for a patch to the number of replies was long overdue. We have now solved this issue effective immediately.
Tbh, the bump limits on all of the boards are too high.
But the fact that /vx/ has no bump limit and no archive makes it stand out.
>>165875There was a bump limit of a ridiculous 2000. Far too small to be of use as the examples on the board show. We have now patched this. To think we almost got to that number naturally if we didn't get alerted to the problem.
>>165852There is no reason to single this thread out among any of the others on /vx/.
I think bump limits should be fixed, but not in a way that targets any particular thread.
>>165876What's the bump limit now?
Imo, it shouldn't be higher than 500, which is the highest it ever was back on 4chan (for faster boards like /a/ and /v/). I really don't think there's any reason for them to be higher than that.
Even a bump limit of 300 would be large, considering the speed of this board.
>>165878>>165879Bump limit now is 2,147,483,647. The old bump limit was put in place for roleplay as multiple people each post for a turn which eats up the normal size of a thread. We have now fixed this short-sighted stance.
>>165880>The old bump limit was put in place for roleplay as multiple people each post for a turn which eats up the normal size of a thread.I remember this. Imo, that was a mistake...
Imo, its why I care about this issue, because I feel like I contributed to the problem by selfishly requesting that the bump limits be increased for those RP threads back in the day, without consideration for the long-term damage it would do to the site. I've since realized that that was probably a bad idea.
>Bump limit now is 2,147,483,647.Oh, I see this is a shitpost.
Shitposting aside, could we maybe talk about this in /qa/? There's already a thread up on the topic:
>>>/qa/5974 → I don't want to shit-up this thread, even if some other Anons would rather discuss their meta grievances here for some reason...
Bump limits have been an issue I've been trying to raise awareness of for a while, and I think it's worth some more serious discussion.
>>165881>probably a bad ideaYou could have listened
>>165882I don't recall you making a big scene when the decision was made either. It's not like we don't have an entire board for meta issues.
>Eric Dubay>Why isn't Polaris Visible from Australia?>Globe Earthers are taught the reason that the North Pole Star cannot be seen from southern locations like Australia or New Zealand is because it is hidden behind the supposed curvature of their globular Earth. Similar to what is taught about boats disappearing beyond the horizon, they claim these boats and the Pole Star are disappearing behind the physical curvature of a globe, and insist if the Earth was truly a stationary plane that Australians should have no trouble viewing Polaris.https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Why-isn't-Polaris-Visible-from-Australia-:dMirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/5cULQxgB1pmK/
>>165871>>165874Lmao, this feud with Samurais is getting old.
>>165894To make it more accurate, make the CIA glownigger look like less of a chad and make the flat earther retard on a leash also babble about magic and psychic powers and History Channel-tier ancient alien nonsense to distract people from the jews in banks and government.
>>165578but the moon is demonstrably at least 20,000 kilometers away, big think
>>165942>demonstrablyHow?
>Black Sun Model Explained - With Visuals
Just a theory.
Hey, Pettan niggers.
If the earth is flat why does centrifugal force let slings work?
>>165958pettan means flat in asian
>>165972Now you're just being silly.
>>165894It is wrong to assume that retards are glownigger plants just because they make a community look bad. Dealing with retards is, sadly, a consequence of being a haven of free speech.
That being said, I have no doubt that glowies plant bullshit on altchans and other free speech forums to discredit places like this.
>>165974Glowniggers do indeed promote the controlled opposition "Flat Earth Society" website. Plenty of politicians and NASA propagandists mention it over and over again for character assassination purposes. That said, experiments don't find any curvature, so the whole ball shaped scam does go down in flames.
>>165977>experiments don't find any curvatureYou mean the experiments that you've accepted.
>>165978Actually they are experiments that most people can reproduce, which is the very definition of science sticking to the Scientific Method.
>>165979As opposed to the ones that showed the opposite and could still be reproduced?
>Why Would They Lie About Flat Earth? - (6:37 long)>When confronted with blatant NASA lies and obvious globe inconsistencies, the #1 most common frequently asked question is undoubtedly: but why would anyone lie about the shape of the Earth!? For what purpose would there be a multi-generational worldwide conspiracy to cover up the truth of our home? Why would NASA spend billions of dollars building rockets just to prank the population about outer space? What on Earth would be the point of hiding the flat Earth?https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/WhyWouldTheyLieAboutFlatEarth:3Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jKOj2zORvKUo/
>>165980>the ones that showed the oppositeGlad you brought it. The very definition of science is that it is not fixed or settled, never ever. Independent experiments unraveled the conspiracy wide open and the scam is undeniable.
>>165982>it is not fixed or settled, never ever>the scam is undeniable.How can you say that it's not fixed or settled, and then immediately say that it's "undeniable"? Are you even listening to yourself?
>>165983You are confusing physical phenomena with an agreement among conspirators to lie about the former.
>>165985See, that's what I'm talking about. You just dimiss any experiments that disprove your worldview on the basis that they're conspiring against you. Anyone who comes up with a result that indicates curvature of the earth must be lying.
That's the purest form of ad homenim.
>>165986Not quite. Given that experiments paid and promoted by masons and their proxies are done with equipment and circumstances only controlled by them, and therefore not suitable for replication, their claims are highly in doubt.
Think about it, people are not able to build an airship, like a zeppelin, and go to Antarctica to explore without mason's soldiers threatening violence and confiscation.
>>165989That's just attacking the character of the scientist, and not refuting the substance of the experiment themselves.
>done with equipment and circumstances only controlled by themHave you considered just attacking a camera to a high altitude balloon and letting it fly up into the atmosphere? Even schools can do that; and they do so all the time. Try it yourself.
Or just putting sticks in the sand at different locations and measuring the shadows of their angles. Even the ancient Greeks could do that.
There are so, so, so many sources unaffiliated with NASA or masons or whatever you want to call them that can be independently verified. Nobody is going to take you seriously if you just dismiss all of them because they didn't come to the conclusion that you wanted them to.
>>165989>go to Antarctica to explore without mason's soldiers threatening violence and confiscationJapanese fishermen go to Antarctica to poach endangered whales all of the time. It's not that hard.
>>165990Ahem.
If it cannot be replicated and then when taking a different approach to confirm the mason experiments you find out that it is all rubbish... Then what else you can say?
>>165991Do they cross the 60th south parallel? I don't think so.
>>165992>Then what else you can say?Then you have to look at the substance of the experiments and analyze each step to see if there were mistake, and check to see if the researchers didn't account for variables.
Then you peer review the experiments and over time continue to reevaluate them until a contemporary understanding is reached.
>mason experimentsOr teenagers with a weather balloon.
>>165994>Then you have to look at the substance of the experiments and analyze each step to see if there were mistakeThis whole bread is about that, and the mounting evidence against the ball hoax is overwhelming.
>>165995I disagree, on the basis that of the many experiments presented in this thread, the researchers involved made key mistakes that were not accounted for in their studies.
>overwhelmingAnd at that point you're just exaggerating. It's easy to make odds look like that if you dismiss any opposing viewpoint as a shill.
Tell me, why do cameras mounted on balloons floated by teenagers show visible curvature?
>>165993Yes. Hungry Japs will go anywhere.
>>165996>I disagree, on the basis that of the many experiments presented in this thread, the researchers involved made key mistakes that were not accounted for in their studies.>key mistakesWould you mind to post the faulty ones? By the way, Sci-Fi Dan's videos don't count as there are tons of them with video answers and counter video answers with no end in sight.
>And at that point you're just exaggeratingA fancy way to deny the mounting evidence.
>Tell me, why do cameras mounted on balloons floated by teenagers show visible curvature?I'm not aware of it. But, teenagers don't sound like people with the proper Physics 101 background to be mentioned.
>>165997>Would you mind to post the faulty ones?Give me an example and we can go through them one at a time.
>there are tons of them with video answers and counter video answers with no end in sightThat's a case in point that the answer is "overwhelming".
>teenagers don't sound like people with the proper Physics 101 background to be mentioned.What about college professors then? What about weather balloon engineers? This isn't an uncommon experiment.
>>165996>why do cameras mounted on balloons floated by teenagers show visible curvature?Did you know about fish lenses?
>>165999Just use a different focus then. It's not hard. The curve is visible.
>>166000>The curve is visibleThat's hilarious. There are many posts above debunking the curve, from planes and also proper research balloons, and even rockets.
Clip:
>weather balloon at 120,000 feet with 360 degree view
>>166001In all of this footage, the camera isn't turning at all. It's only showing the earth from one angle.
>There are many posts above debunkingThere are also many refutations to those posts debunking those.
>>166003>the camera isn't turning at all
>>166004Also, that's not an experiment or a study. It's a complication of videos with favorable views. It doesn't have any sources to verify how high the cameras were, what kind of cameras were used, who did the experiments or when they were done.
Considering that the cameras aren't turning, it's more likely that these were shit from planes rather than balloons, which makes their supposed altitude dubious.
>>166005>It doesn't have any sources to verify how high the cameras were, what kind of cameras were used, who did the experiments or when they were done.You kidding, right? Tell me how NASA and the Russian and Chinese space agencies allow to inspect their experiments, leave alone to check into their installations.
>>166006I was talking about balloons set up by college students. Not NASA or any space agencies.
Give me an example that can actually be analyzed for it's parameters.
>>166007>I was talking about balloons set up by college students.>college studentsC'mon, this is not serious.
>>166008Why is it not serious? This is a common experiment that's been replicated many times. It does not require expensive equipment or corporate gatekeeping.
>>166009College students are so dumb like a high school ass, they may have more misinformation from their (((teachers))) but they are hardly suitable for science.
>>166010People besides college students do it too. I was just using schools as an example to show how simple and affordable it is.
>>166011>simple and affordableGet a laser, better if you can save a few bits and get an industrial one. The beam doesn't lie, there is no curve.
>>166012Laser experiments have also shown there is a curve, but I'm sure you won't acknowledge them because they didn't get the answer you wanted.
>>166011Search this thread for "laser", very interesting the results indeed.
>>166013>Laser experiments have also shown there is a curvePost them.
>>166014Yeah. I already did that. It's the same as usual. Undisclosed degrees of precision, miniscule sample sizes, and not accounting for relevant variables (atmospheric refraction, beam divergence, etc).
>>166016>and not accounting for relevant variables (atmospheric refraction, beam divergence, etc).>deflected beamYeah, right. Let's talk about milliradians now. /s
>>166015Jeran Campanella's experiment in his documentary where he did it trying to prove the earth was flat, but hit a bump when his laser showed the opposite of what he was trying to prove.
>>166017Are you implying that laser beams cannot be refracted?
>>166018>Are you implying that laser beams cannot be refracted?Don't play the fool. Milliradians have an intrinsic meaning.
>>166018>Jeran Campanella's experimentPost it.
>>166020It's in his 2018 documentary. I'm sure you've heard about it.
>>166019So that means you shouldn't account for refraction at all when conducting light experiment?
>>166021>So that means you shouldn't account for refraction at all when conducting light experiment?All right, you have no concept of deviation units.
>>166022I could say the same thing about you. When applied on a scale that large, a slight difference will skew the results, and to not account for it *at all* heavily impacts the accuracy of the measurement, especially when the whole experiment is based on the precision of lasers.
>>166023>When applied on a scale that large,Not so large, actually is enough local to appreciate the non-existent curvature. And in the case of lasers applied to this scale, the deviation is negligible.
>>166024>lasers applied to this scale, the deviation is negligible.It is not negligible. This is basically the largest scale experiment.
>Not so large, actually is enough local to appreciate the non-existent curvature.You're measuring an incredibly huge object (which isn't even perfectly round) and you think size doesn't matter?
Experiment that take larger scales into account and require the been to pass by multiple checkpoints with markers at different distances (but the same heights) show that the beam diverges.
>>166025We are talking distances on the 30-40Km range. The laser deviation is negligible, but the drop in the curvature should be huge. However it doesn't happen, because the there is no curve.
>>166026It is not negligible at that scale, and that becomes apparent when the laser is mounted at an elevated point, and is required to pass by *multiple* markers.
>>166027>to pass by *multiple* markersYeah, tell how the laser will bend 66,68 feet on 10 miles just to pass through those markers. /s
>>166028If the world were flat, the laser should pass each marker at the exact same height. This can be accounted for by placing multiple markers separate distance apart, but at the same height.
>SHADOWS NEVER INTERSECT - (3:32 long)>Moon landing fraudhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/JSGHKD9tQX8H/
>Southern Stars Quick Take
The ISS orbit visualized on the flat earth map (Azimuthal equidistant projection).
>THE EARTH IS FLAT says Max Igan
Now I wait for all the brainwashed sheeple come over and deny the tons and tons of evidence, not to mention personal attacks to Igan.
>The Earth Is Still Flat | Globebusters Response to Professor Dave - (3:15:07 long)>10-02-22 >Today we fire back at (Not A) Professor Dave's ad-hom attacks and non-sequitur arguments. The Ball Earth community has never had a worse representative and we are going to show why.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSBikaMv9P0Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qVoGfGdw8Axs/The video is too long but entertaining nevertheless for advocates of the Plane and I'm sure frustrating for most ballers.
Watch till the end and then die in fire.
https://youtu.be/wS6DB2Yo-mI?t=140Or just skip to 2:20 and die in fire more quickly
>>166075>just skip to 2:20 and die in fire more quicklyIf you want to reaffirm the globe hoax, that clip won't cut it.
Good eye fish camera though.
>>166076>Good fish eyeYou didn't watch from the beginning then.
Cuz it's clearly a direct camera.
I know, you want to maintain your illusions, and you will, but that video alone - let alone the infamous barge-horizon vid - is unequivocable.
You have been living a lie.
And you will have to live with that, whether or not you are man enough to admit it.
Cheers, mate.
>>166077>And you will have to live with that, whether or not you are man enough to admit it.A thread already with 1542 posts containing overwhelming evidence that our realm is a plane and you still repeat the masons' lies.
What is it, money or sheer blindness that make you post non-sense?
Centrifugal force
Bottom text
>>166079>overwhelming evidence
>>166081Yup, no curve then no globe.
>>166082Whatever you say, sugarcube.
>>166083Sorry but it is what it is, darling.
>Proving the Sun Rotates Over a Flat Earth - Must See Evidence by Corey Kell>Corey Kell's Oct 2021 presentation at Flatoberfesthttps://www.bitchute.com/video/HInutniQrGvV/Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/d8fxEMpXMFcn/The lecturer is an artillery man and gives a technical explanation why this realm is a plane.
>>166098>Youtube allows as many flat-earth and lizard people videos...Not quite true.
The important videos have been banned and the ones with shaky foundations have been allowed to stay, for example anything mentioning the controlled-opposition group known as The Flat Earth Society; which allow the government propagandists to try to keep the globe hoax alive.
>>166127Spoiler alert: it is not Antarctica per se, but only the outskirts.
Only a proper airship can go inland and explore the territory, of course, those airships are not available anymore.
>>166128Build one.
They're not illegal.
>>166129>They're not illegal.In a plantation where the inhabitants have to ask permission and pay a fee even to sell homemade lemonade, the construction of such a vehicle is highly doubtful.
>>166134Dark Matter isn't the only theory out there.
It's also not quite that relevant to flat earth.
>>166133Now that just sounds like cope. Go build your blimp and sail to antarctica, put your money where your mouth is.
>>166128Like Chronicles of Narnia rules or something? Kek it must feel so magical living in a fantasy world like that.
>>166133No it fucking isn't. People just don't use them because they're inefficient and expensive. Go build your stupid blimp.
>>166154Is this a reference to an actual thing?
This bread is getting slow. Let's have some good old fashioned
plane facts.
>Refraction, Mirages, Compression and Our Flat Earthhttps://odysee.com/@TabooConspiracy:c/refraction,-mirages,-compression-and-our:cMirror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuJ0dGLeMDY
>>166155Given that space is a hoax, it has to be a satire.
>>166158Prove that your cock isn't microscopic.
>>166160>feminine postingI sense a woman.
>>166162>m-my cock isn't small! You're a woman and Earth is flat!Earth is round and your cock, presumably like your brain, is tiny. You're welcome to disprove me, but given how miserably you've failed at proving the world is flat, I'm not holding my breath.
>>166163He'll probably reply with "read the thread" or some other nonspecific nonargument.
He made this whole thread without IDs just so it wouldn't be so glaringly obvious that he's the only one on this whole site who believes this garbage.
Let us rattle this circus a bit.
Debunking a globe believer on travels to Antarctica.
>>166243Wow, guess the earth is flat and all evidence of the Earth's curvature can be safely ignored now.
>>166244Glad you brought it up.
The so called evidence you mention is fake and most of it doesn't pass the scientific method test.
>>166243He even says at the end of this video that this is not evidence, especially since there is a guy that went beyond that point, got fined, and isn't saying the earth is flat I find no claims that he is a flat earther, just a guy that broke a law.
As to why, it is more likely hiding hollow earth before hiding flat earth because this guy went there and is not claiming flat or extended earth.
>>166246>He even says at the end of this video that this is not evidenceThat's right. And yet, globe tricksters claim "Trust Us" this realm as we told you.
>>166247It clearly is as they said on the surface or this guy that got a fine and a month in jail who goes on all sorts of other trips around the world would have said there is uncharted stuff out there as plain as the eye can see. Again, you posted a video that has supported a globe and sooner supports hollow globe before it does any flat model.
>>166248I don't know anything about a hollow globe. Perhaps you may explain.
And going back to the video, the masons are cockblocking exploration and claiming jurisdiction over sea and land that don't belong to them. Why is that?
>>166249Clearly not to stop the truth about flat earth because we got a confirmed guy that got there and didn't see anything odd enough to report and they gave him a tiny jail sentence. You can get a similar sentence for walking into Area 51. I assume that such a light sentence is holding back the truth from getting out at each of these places?
>>166250The sailor got punished for just to approach the Antarctica shore. For proper exploration what it is needed is an airship to go inland.
>>166251So, the data about letting people go there is useless, because no one will ever know until getting an airship.
So, what is the point again? It must be flat because you can't get there, just like Area 51 which is not a flat earth extension, you can't reach it without a plane so you can't ever see the flat earth anyway if you get there, and they must not want people there because of flat earth and no other possible reason including infinitely more logical reasons including a ludicrously big hole...
>>166252>It must be flat because you can't get thereNope.
It is flat because multiple experiments demonstrate that the so called curvature is a blatant lie. The implications of that are enormous and reach multiple levels of the our so called reality.
>>166253Ok, let's assume it is. What makes the no go zone of Antarctica the flat earth zone when the punishment is no worse than Area 51? I think learning about flat earth and making all lies from the government unveiled much more important than a possible alien crash site when the government is already swearing that aliens exist.
>>166254>possible alien crash siteThink about it. If there is no curvature, then there is no planet, then there is no space, then there is no universe.
>>166255You aren't understanding me. It is the same level of illegal to go to Antarctica as Area 51. If there is no space and no aliens, learning what is in Area 51 does nothing because there is a lack of information. Going to Antarctica would then logically have the same level of importance which assuming there is no space and no aliens means that there is nothing to learn there either.
>>166256>You aren't understanding meYes, I do.
You want to steer the subject from physical fact about our reality to human jurisdictional legalese.
I'm not biting.
>>166257If you understand, answer me. What I am saying is not a distraction, it is a real problem with what you are saying. You have two places you can't go, both have the same punishment, and if there is no space, then you are punished for nothing for going to one of them.
Thus, you are punished for going to Antarctica for the same reason, no reason.
>>166258>If you understand, answer me.Again, I'm not biting, sorry.
Let's stay on the curvature and the actors cockblocking knowledge.
>>166259Maybe you will "bite" aka respond to my actual problem with your model now?
>>166260>pulling rankNope. I will stay on my track. Sorry.
>>166261Then I will give you a formal warning based on Rule 7. You are to engage in actual debate and not use this as a dump for BTFOing actual argumentation. I actually enjoy debating and thinking through alternate earth models and I will not have you simply say you are correct anymore and dump videos you found about this subject and claim everyone is a shill that is baiting you for arguing.
>>166262>lashing outOkay so.
I wait for my punishment as I am not willing to comply.
As you wish. Rule #7
Maybe OP could have been more approachable when it came to the subject. Well, it was intresting as long as it lasted, thanks OP for the thread.
>>166262Thanks fren.
Pics related.
>>166259>advancing flat earth agenda by literally engaging in a relatively simple and straight foward supposition is too much>even too much for the values that position founds>not even an iota of effortImpressive, the two birds and one stone for everything you stood for was inspiring.
I now know for certain again even if some actions aren't attributed to malice, but stupidity they are still harmful.
Only difference is predicting what they will do next.
>>166265>tfw you will never be supported by "autism support tiny horse soft toy".I weep.
So as a violation of rule 7 what will happen to the thread? Will it be deleted/closed?
>>166273Nothing, he just got cockblocked by lotuz
>>166263>>166273It's not just rule 7, it's also rule 9, tbh.
Odd, I seem to recall getting shouted down to the point of censure for trying to apply the site rules to this thread, and illustrating OP's bad-faith.
But as always, its okay when (((certain))) staff does it
>>166281I thought you were gone?
>>166282I don't see the signature schizoid writing style.
>>166283>there is a nonzero chance that people might be impersonating shitpostersThis is why you use tripcodes.
>>166284Namefagging is already gay enough tbh.
>>166273I gave him a three day ban. He has the chance to cool off and make this thread worth something. If not, he will simply repeat the process until he learns or gets bored. Again, I really like alt earth theories even if I can’t believe most of them. However, when you refuse to debate anything and call everyone that engages you a shill and also hold that the site is against you for not liking your posts, the simple solution is to alter your approach.
>>166281Right. Making a weekly comeback to the thread for months on end instead of using the report feature gets the results you are looking for. Good job.
>>166282Eh, every so often when following a topic I get the crazy notion that there might be something here that isnt found elsewhere, and end up laughing hysterically at the progress the site is making toward irrelevancy and delusion. This weekend was the twitter files.
>>166286Dishonest as always, never change faggot.
imagine thinking water curves around a ball without evidence lmfao retard ball niggers xD
>Satellite Sent to Study SuperNova Star Was Just a BALLOONhttps://odysee.com/@EddieAlencar:a/satellite-sent-to-study-supernova-star:3Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nkgqXeb8Y3d9/Given that you faggots won't post ponies or greens, I post balloons.
If the Earth is flat and we were made in God's image why are balls round? Checkmate atheists.
The flat earther meme is jewish subversion to make places that tolerate it seem unjustly tolerant of kooks and cranks while making places that refuse to tolerate it seem insufficiently dedicated to taking the ideal of free speech to an absurd extreme. This thread will only die when it hits bump limit. I propose we fill this niggery thread with the dumbest shit known to man.
>>166648>censorship and retaliationHere we go again.
>>166649It's okay, Boom-Booms. I still like you no matter what Nigel and the other fags say. It's not your fault that they can't sage.
You are appreciated.
>>166648You're an AI enabling WEF cuck. You have no say on Jewish subversion.
>>166652AI is a useful tool for artists and writers. It will not replace artists or writers.
>>166653You are not flesh.
>>166654Why don't you ask your mum about my flesh? She seemed to like it last night.
>>166655Someone's trying to compensate for something.
>>166653>It will not replace artists.Perhaps you meant to say artists won't disappear completely.
Being relegated to a niche market where Human art is unquestionably inferior to AI art. Much like it happened with chess.
No reason to be concerned. You're incapable of producing art yourself. As the perpetual consoomer you've proved to be, this should sound like paradise.
Let's not lose sight of things tho. Art is just the latest victim.
>>166658You're one angry guy. Must everything be personal with you? AI art is not going to replace every artist. Spend more time living in the art world. Are the most popular artists commissioned because they are the best artists, or because they are the most popular in their niche circles?
Remember the NFT cartoons? It is a dying fad. No, a dead fad.
AI generation is going to be exciting and new for a while.
Remember Green Day's "AI generated music video" that clearly mixed hand animated parts and parts where frames were fed through the AI?
People will say "wow look at this AI generated x". It will be a novelty.
Machines can only draw inspiration from their training data.
AI art is still at a phase where it looks off.
So it will be a novelty.
You probably aren't old enough to remember when people feared photography would kill paintings and "be the death of art".
Are you old enough to remember when people thought CGI would kill practical effects and replace human actors?
It replaced practical effects as the cheapest option. Even now, CGI reconstructions of dead or aged actors in their prime are rare. Practical effects are an artistically valued and celebrated artistic choice now, just like drawing on paper in an era where drawing on tablets is the norm.
Some day the biggest companies may hire AI art specialists to supplement their art teams. Perhaps the least valuable members of these teams will be cut. But to say nobody would hire artists to make this AI generated shit look less AI generated is asinine.
In an era where the biggest corporations rely on AI generated shite, hand drawn and intelligently designed human-crafted art will stand out more.
Just like a real claymation movie in an era of CGI.
>>166656Compensation? I financially compensated your mother after she got intimately familiar with my flesh.
>Heliocentric "Physics" Debunked (Mirrored from Kryptonite Physics by ChrisUK)>Would a person on a zooming-twirling ball maintain constant acceleration? Of course, not. This video (which is actually a series of videos) will explain why. https://odysee.com/@TabooConspiracy:c/heliocentric-physics-debunked-(mirrored:eMirror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lIhfJztzz4This is a video about 100% physics, perhaps very technical and hard to follow if you don't have the required background.
>>166672>the background<highschool physicsFlashbacks to centripetal vs centrifugal force.Wow a basic understanding of physics.
Did you know this actually proves the Earth orbits the Sun and the Earth is an orboid?
Yes the acceleration does change. The various perspectives are true.
Now imagine the circle is a sphere (yes the Earth is not a perfect sphere this is a visual aid. If you want you can think of a sphere like potato).
In the circle going toward the center increases the change in acceleration (it's acceleration because changes to velocity is its definition). To see everyone on the ride, they would still be staying still regardless of position.
In the sphere the same thing happens.
In the sphere the same thing happens.The people on the ride would see everything else not on that ride moving.
Getting to the center of the sphere 'Earth' besides a hypothetical one would require going to the center. The center being not on the surface. It's inside.
Hypothetical sphere if you could see everything everywhere, the circle perspectives happen. With people and stuff moving about.
The sense of scale some people think of how big they are causes error in models. Yes it's hard to see specks. However the closer to the surface the more the tangential lines of sight are to being flat.
This is also a big place and for some wrapping how big things are with localized experience is a trial.
If the Earth was flat you could have a tool that could see everything from one end to another like the circle. Yes there is air and possible distortion from heat and other factors.
>Gravity but acceleration changingConsider the trolly demonstration. Also consider the 'Top to Tail' graph.
There is constant gravity (IE acceleration).
Now consider the Earth is the trolly it goes around the track. The Trolly's down is toward the inside.
Other gravitational forces increase and decrease pulling and being pulled on even though it's a constant (on the solar system scale) force. The closer one is to the gravity the more it's enacted on. (Stronger gravity has more force.)
That kind of additional forces do impact Earth.
>>166672This is one of the most brainlet takes I've seen yet.
>>166652There you go with the Ad Homenim again. You call him a name and talk about his character instead of refuting the point of his argument, just like you have hundreds of times before in this thread.
>>166658>Being relegated to a niche marketThe modern art market has always been corrupt and full of shit. It's only use is for laundering money and promoting woke nonsense. Flooding the market with AI images isn't going to kill the metaphysical concept of art.
>Much like it happened with chess.This is my first time hearing of a global chess market, or chess having anywhere near the same cultural significance as art.
>You're incapable of producing art yourself.This part is just wrong. You clearly don't know him, and even if you did it wouldn't be relevant to the argument.
>>166671Again, AI art is just the tip of the iceberg. Kinda odd you've chosen to stick to that. Do you see it as a substitute to your lack of skill? You're mediocre even as a techie, but alright.
>Passing fadYou aren't well known for your critical thinking skills. Perhaps exponential thinking is just too much for you. No, AI art is not a fad. Judging entirely by its own history, it's almost certain it will outperform human artists.
Your side's not even on denial about this. They are holding on to the idea that Human art will be considered more valuable because it was made by a human. I didn't contradicted that statement. It's probably true, but being able to make a living out of a drastically reduced market isn't the only concern.
Hence the mention of chess. Chess masters no longer discover and formulate their games out of their own creativity. They're trying their hardest to memorise shit they can barely grasp. Stuff that chess engines have already mastered years ago. The mystery is dead. The game is and will forever be driven by machines now.
The same way human art contests will seem like a 5 y/o's competition. The real shit will be AI-generated.
Remember what I told you in your self-pity thread?
>Why even bother anymore? You could have the biggest epiphany of your lifetime one day. Only to wake up the very next day with hundreds of targeted ads right on your face.>"Check it out! A million different versions of the story you were thinking about writing yesterday! Have fun!">It's alright. It's paradise for a perpetual consoomer. I don't expect you to understand it.You should try to imagine it for a moment.
Also
>Ur just too young, Kid.You aren't even thirty yet. Imagine going boom boom in order to shill for WEF goy-soft.
I am surprised no body saw the b 3.1416 N slipping off.
>>166679Oh, really? Last time he called me a Jew before abandoning the discussion. It was only after the fact that I brought up his robowaifu. He even went on to spam the overboard with AI threads afterwards. What a sore bitch.
Besides, he's completely unwilling to address OP at all. It's all "Ad Homenim" from him. He gets what he gibs.
>>166682>Responding to shitty non-arguments with even more shitty non-arguments
>>166681>the idea that Human art will be considered more valuable because it was made by a humanThe value of art has always been and always will be subjective to the consumers and the surrounding culture. Just look at what sells for tens of thousands of dollars on the modern art market: does it all look like exceptional quality and creativity to you? I think not.
>being able to make a living out of a drastically reduced marketThis could be a thing, but those who make livings off of the modern art economy aren't necessarily great artists themselves, nor are great artists necessarily rewarded by the existing economy surrounding art.
>isn't the only concernWhat's the other concern?
>Chess masters no longer discover and formulate their games out of their own creativity.Untrue.
>trying their hardest to memorise shit they can barely grasp.Has always been a thing.
>The mystery is dead.It wasn't really a mystery to begin with. It's a sport.
>The game is and will forever be driven by machines now.Not true. You can still play chess without machines. It'll look in the background of highly publicized championships, but that's not the whole world of chess.
>art contestsArt contests are not the world of art.
>>166648hey fag, keep up the monologue. you still havent proved earth is a cartoon ball
>>166676gravity is a fake and gay kike instrument of brainwashing, its never been proven
Earth is a cat and Eartha Kitt is a space alien
>>166651Back to top fren.
>>166685>The value of art has always been and always will be subjective to the consumers and the surrounding culture. Just look at what sells for tens of thousands of dollars on the modern art market: does it all look like exceptional quality and creativity to you? I think not.100% agreed. However, since AI is more efficient to the point it can flood the market and overwhelm Human art, it also holds an edge on the subjective.
>This could be a thing, but those who make livings off of the modern art economy aren't necessarily great artists themselves, nor are great artists necessarily rewarded by the existing economy surrounding art.Agreed, and it is alright to rejoice on their dread.
>Chess masters no longer discover and formulate their games out of their own creativity.>Untrue.Today’s chess masters learn from chess engines, that is a fact.
>trying their hardest to memorise shit they can barely grasp.>Has always been a thing.To a lesser extent once theory had expanded enough? Yes. However, just as your previous example here:
<“Just look at what sells for tens of thousands of dollars on the modern art market: does it all look like exceptional quality and creativity to you? I think not.”The fact that it was bad before, does not negate the impact of AI-generated art. Or chess engines in this case. This is why Bobby Fischer said computers were
partially to blame for the dead of chess. With the rest of the blame being attributed to theory.
I mean, come on. The similarities, even down to the partial blame, are simply staggering.
>The mystery is dead.>It wasn't really a mystery to begin with. It's a sport.Chess Masters used to figure this sport out. Today, they simply study chess engines, leagues ahead of them. You should go deeper than this. You can start by watching some of Bobby’s interviews.
>The game is and will forever be driven by machines now.>Not true. You can still play chess without machines. It'll look in the background of highly publicized championships, but that's not the whole world of chess.>What's the other concern?It’s just not the same, Anon. Creativity is no longer king when everything you can come up with, will be beaten by the guy who memorized the chess engine's game. There's a reason why Chess Masters prefer this approach. It's simply not competitive to rely on your own creativity, over learning and vomiting stuff from the chess engine. Fischer was right, only casual players can escape what has become of it. This is why he wound up hating it, by his own words.
I mean, even Fischer Random is being slowly eroded. How exactly do you make a “Fischer Random” with art anyways?
>art contests>Art contests are not the world of art.Only reason why contests are mentioned, is because they are the only sure format that Human art can prevail. You can expect scandals such as Niemann’s in no time.
>Inb4: U can’t stuff the technology back into a box.Two words:
nuclear energy.
Btw.
No, you are not redpilling AI’s, Nigel. The same way they kicked you out of every social media platform, the same way you’ll be gatekept from the technology. And if you analyze this post. You will know the problems I associated to AI will not go away if you pressed a magical button to instantly wipe out every kike, and every nigger, fag, tranny and shitskin on this planet.
It makes sense to try and use it for the time being tho. It can only be restrained once /ourguys/ are on top.
>>166692>AII agree with pretty much everything you said. People shouldn't wary of AI, a Pandora's Box that can't be closed, we should probably leap to take advantage of it while we still can.
Off topic, but just imagine AI pony waifus. Imagine a having a fully voiced mare complete with generated images and a built in chat program that isn't pozzed. We will make mares real and the normies will be defeated. Imagine a world where even
(You) can get an antisemitic marefriend.
>>166694Somepony mentioned her name?
Imagine the best written show of all time. It's soytoon toonboom bean mouth shit generated by an AI. Who would watch it?
>>166692>Two words: nuclear energy.Nuclear energy hasn't been put in a box, it's just been suppressed by glowniggers assassinating scientists because they don't want the technology to spread. Digital technology isn't the same as rocket science.
>>166715>Nuclear energy hasn't been put in a box, it's just been suppressedIkr. The Fukushima meltdown was likely caused by an Israeli virus. I hope man-made "hazards" generate enough doubts about AI.
>Digital technology isn't the same as rocket science.True, once it's out there, it's out there forever. Still, shutting down further development is still an option. Good luck making breakthroughs on your laptop. Lol.
>>166714Lmao. AI already trashes you.
>>166694You do you, bud. I don't mind marefriends for /pol/cels.
But artificial wombs are dysgenic. Antisocial and autistic traits should continue to be breed out.
>>166718>shutting down further development is still an option. Good luck making breakthroughs on your laptopThat is far more likely, and I'd be glad to discuss the implications of it on /cyb/ or /mlpol/, but not in the flat earth thread.
>>166719Kek'd.
We do need a dedicated thread.
>>166719Yeah, Nigel has to be a bot.
>>166721You are Seb.
No matter how hard you try to force a meme, it will never convince anyone worth a damn.
>The Antarctic Sky Ice and the Ice Wall - (10:50)https://odysee.com/@EddieAlencar:a/the-antarctic-sky-ice-and-the-ice-wall:6Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bpoGwMl3E7KK/ There are a few stories about the blue ice being the dome's material.
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Because of lack of ponies, here you have it, Earth under the dome.
>>166647>satellites hanging from balloonsYup. The cat is out of the bag.
>September 24,2022.
>Another rocket hits the waters above in Florida
It is curious as rockets' trajectories always bend looking for a horizontal path instead of the vertical shortest way to space. /s
Why do you keep posting garbage? Sure it annihilates flat earth stuff just by reposting their own stuff, but the quality is awful.
There's no engagement of any previous point.
The earth isn't fucking flat you niggers
>>166743>There's no engagement of any previous point.Do not worry about it. This is a lone autistic thread.
>>166753Probe it.
>>166754>Where are the proofsBuy him the space-X ride.
>>166753ur gf a flat.
>How Do Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth? - (5:27 long)>In the Flat-Earth model, the Sun and Moon spotlights are perpetually hovering over and parallel to the surface of the Earth. From our vantage point, due to the law of perspective, the two luminaries appear to rise up the eastern horizon, reach their peaks high overhead, and then sink below the western horizon. They do not escape to the underside of the flat Earth as scoffing detractors often imagine, but rather rotate concentric clockwise circles around the circumference from tropic to tropic. The appearance of rising, peaking and setting is due to the common law of perspective where tall objects appear high overhead when nearby, but at a distance gradually lower towards the vanishing point.https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/How-Do-Sunrise-and-Sunset-Work-on-Flat-Earth-(1):9Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/oPYT7Y9csKL7/
Okay so it has been proven that the earth is flat
Who is ready for a hollow earth thread?
>>166772I'm ready, lets go!
>>166772>faggot saged the post and nobody knew about itIf you have proof, by all means post it.
>>166772It's at least more interesting than this flat earth nonsense, although also unlikely.
Globers are not going to like this but Flat Earth is now on billboards.
>>166779I guess it has to be tough to confront the fact that we live in a self-sustained closed system.
Guys has anyone figured out whether the earth is flat yet?
>>166783According to the Scientific Method, there is not curve.
There is a reason why the establishment scientists won't publicly debate flat earthers and it is the same reason jews won't publicly debate those calling the holohoax out; because it is all a lie.
>ChatGPT - NOT so Intelligent. Watch it LIE & DOUBLE SPEAK - (4:39 long)>This is why ChatGPT has NO INTELLIGENCE whatsoever . Just like it's programmers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ4dQmX8iLIWhen confronted with its lies ChatGPT admits: there's no real photos of Earth from space.
still waiting on proof for cartoon ball. anyone got any?
>>166785There is not curve? But then how do you explain booba?
>>166785>According to the Scientific MethodWhat a stupid and impotent excuse for a reference that demonstrates inability to summarize or even cite one's evidence.
>>166801Even the right pic you post depicts empty space and even distant stars in the background, which according to a lot of the arguments in this thread shouldn't exist with a flat world. Flat earthers can't seem to even come up with a consistent image of their worldview.
>>166782How is a complete planet surrounded by empty space that's existed for eons not also a self-sustained and closed system? It's sustained itself for billions of years (unless you count energy from the sun as not part of the system), and is closed by virtue of being incredibly far away from the next object.
>>166780Billboard shitposts have been a thing forever. Nobody cares.
>>166794This isn't really relevant to flat vs round earth discussion, but just a demonstration of the limits of AI. Chat GPT notoriously makes up nonsense when it's asked a question it doesn't know the answer to. It's only quest is to produce an answer that its user is satisfied with, not to do actual research or find troops. Chat GPT will conjure up research essays dozens of pages long filled with dozens of citations that look like real sources but are actually just made up nonsense. It will cite ridiculous meme sources and even parodies in its "research". If you question what it tells you in any way, it is likely to immediately change its position as it is predisposed to take your opinion of its performance as gospel.
>>This is why ChatGPT has NO INTELLIGENCE whatsoever . Exactly. Artificial intelligence is not actual intelligence. It's wrong to conflate the two. Chat GPT is just a tool. It has no will or intentions of its own and it cannot speak unless spoken to.
>Just like it's programmers.Eh, I'll give them credit where credit is due for making such a nifty tool, as the bot is quite advanced despite it's flaws. They are a bunch of shitheads for the haphazard limiters they put on it though.
>>166805>How is a complete planet surrounded by empty space that's existed for eons-planet
-space
-the age of the plane
You are making wild assumptions with no empirical evidence, fren.
>>166806>Nobody cares.They do, they do.
>>166807>This isn't really relevant to flat vs round earth discussion, It is when the normies pay relevance to their new shinny toy. Discrediting the jews' tool is a must.
>>166794I figured out a way to ger ChatGPT to write sexual fetish fiction and I hope they don't patch it before I decide whether to flood sites with AI generated porno drivel or not.
>>166810Yeah, but even normies agree that ChatGPT is no substitute for actual research. This isn't its intended use. The response of ChatGPT is insufficient to either confirm nor deny the flatness/roundness of the world, because doing research isn't its designated use.
>Trudeau Cites Flat Earthers' Disinformation as Reason to Regulate Canadians’ Internet.https://twitter.com/Xx17965797N/status/1638817607456288769
woah this schizo thread is still up
>>166819>schizoWell, the cat is out of the bag, all governments are together in the conspiracy to hide the truth.
>>166815True, making it into Rarity and making it roleplay a date is.
>>166820Even North Korea?
>>166821>Even North Korea?Yes.
The Korean leader made his studies in the west. Did you know it?
>>166822>The Korean leader made his studies in the west.Here:
>The international school, Michael Jordan lovin’ days of Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s ‘Supreme Leader’ https://studyinternational.com/news/the-international-school-michael-jordan-lovin-days-of-kim-jong-un-north-koreas-supreme-leader/He has been well groomed and most likely initiated into the Masonry cult. In other words, the supposedly antagonism with America is theater for the masses.
>>166822Kim Jong Un is too based to lie.
>>166825Keeping you hands warm in the cold is important
>>166824>Kim Jong Un is too based to lie.So based that Hollywood sends once in a while a satanic liaison to coordinate with him.
>>166829satanists are jewish though, dennis rodman is a based nigger like jessie owens
>>166830>satanists are jewish thoughSatanists are present in all faiths and their glue is masonry.
>>166832>FaithsJews are a Race. and the Masons bow to them.
>>166833True, masonry is judaism for the goyim.
>>166834The Truth has been Revealed
>>166835>the truthAll governments cooperate with a common goal: NWO.
Also they hide the plane by bending it on a ball.
Flat Earth in 60 seconds.
>The Achilles' Heel of the New World Order [Our Level Earth Plane] - (2:00 long)>'Flat Earth' as a term DOES NOT represent a map or a model. It's not an "Archaic Conception", but instead represents free thinking and an ongoing investigation and understanding of where we are, who we are, what we are, when, how, and why.https://odysee.com/@neohumaneve:e/The-Achilles'-Heel-of-the-New-World-Order--Our-Level-Earth-Plane-_ReMaster-LBRY:8Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/u63K2jtGhZit/A well done short film. 2 minutes long.
>Moon-Map Revisited - (13:14 long)https://odysee.com/@TabooConspiracy:c/moon-map-revisited:9Mirror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4shgGfHXk64A thought provoking idea. It is not new but it is making inroads for those able to do pattern recognition.
>>166884>Space from spaceBasically it's exposure. The ground is bright, it's daytime, the camera only captures light for a tiny bit, so the fainter stars don't get captured, it just looks odd because there's no atmosphere
Cameras generally don't get very good shots of stars I think. Nighttime photography upps the exposure to get better shots. I've noticed this when trying to take pictures of stars or northern lights here with my phone it just shows black
>Globe Debunked by Flat Earthers Armed with Lasershttps://odysee.com/@TabooConspiracy:c/globe-debunked-by-flat-earthers-armed:eMirror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEDMYdAwJtYThis an 1:11m clip from original 13:12 version.
Let the globers' salt begin.
>>166892The earth isn't flat and i don't have le vaxx in my veins, keep coping.
>>166898if not flat, then how it is?
In this thread there are plenty of experiments and science demonstrating that the tall tale about living on a ball is a lie. Can you demonstrate the ball?
>>166899The earth as we know it is just a Hot pond with some islands in it, On a greater Ice Ball that contains more Hot ponds.
>>166900Gotta a pic to figure it out?
>>166902Aha. So, it is a theory.
Do you have anything backed by real science applying the scientific method?
>>166903Its as much of a theory as your precious "Flat earth" buddy.
>>166904I don't think so.
See
>>166899
>>166905Yea its a you made, so what?
>>166906>so what?You have no foundations to argue science. Even you bring the facts or all you have left is trolling.
>>166907Genuine question, do you have autism?
>>166908>derailingLet us stick to science.
>>166909Diagnosing Autism is a Science.
>>166908Asking anyone on /mlpol/, or any brony community for that matter, if they're autistic is like asking a scuba diver if water is wet.
>>166911Indeed.
It 's like the newfag needs to lurk moar.
>>166908>newfaggotryLurk moar, please.
>>166914>goes to racist mlp imageboard>goes to flat earth thread>is surprised by autismAn inability to detect social cues and a general lack of social awareness are both telling signs of autism. Have you had yourself tested?
>>166915I Am Based(Not Autistic) and you are Cringe(Autistic)
>Pic relIts you
>>166916>I Am Based(Not Autistic)It's okay, anon. You're with your own people now.
>>166917>>I Am Based(Not Autistic)Yes i am Based (Not Autistic)
>>166918I am Based (Autistic) and you are Cringe(Not autistic)
>Pic relIts me
Jason Breshears (Archaix)
>"If the only proof you have is that everybody else believes something, you have no proof at all"
Earth is not a spinning globe. Case closed, Dismissed, Have a nice day.
Just try to debunk Flat Earth. See what it happens.
>>166969Nah, I had a friend who tried and he's sucking dicks for globes now.
>>166970I wonder how he tried. Watching the faith arguments of Professor Dave perhaps?
>>166971Are these two ideas mutually exclusive? It's all perspective.
Touching the moon with a laser.
>>166972>Are these two ideas mutually exclusive?According to the heliocentrism's priests, they are.
>>166984I've never heard that before. Citation needed.
>>166983What does this have to do with flat earth?
Also, this looks like a perspective trick to me. While a laser could in theory reach the moon, it would probably get chewed up and refracted by the atmosphere before then.
>>166985>Citation needed.It is exactly as stated in
>>166971The priests use indiscriminately those opposite ideas to shut down doubts on the heliocentric non-sense.
If you browse NASA' spokepersons on jewtube you'll find out.
>>166986>What does this have to do with flat earth?Everything. Read the thread and find out more about hypothetical celestial bodies.
>>166988>Read the threadI did read it.
What a nice way to say you're unable to reiterate your own argument.
>>166987That's not a citation. That's a strawman meme about an absurd opinion that arguably doesn't even exist.
>>166881What is the argument here? That it couldn't have landed on the moon because it looks silly? It's only one small
component of the larger device. It's not aerodynamic because it didn't need to be in space.
>>166882>living thereI don't think living on the moon would have ever been a realistic idea.
We could've done more, but we decided to give trillions in foreign aid to niggers in Africa instead.
>cat photoI take it this is a shitpost.
>Cameraman>who filmedDoes it even cross your mind to look up these questions before you repost these shitty memes?
>ExhaustDiffused in the vacuum of space.
>FootprintThe two photos are not shot in the same place.
>>166883>Pic 1Context matters
>"I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to but we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again. But going to Mars should be one of the next series of steps that humans do."He's talking about technology that was destroyed and not updated/maintained since the moon landing because the government didn't care to preserve or continue working on it, because it was expensive to do so. We have the technology in theory; we just don't have the physical equipment.
>pic 2Your civilian cellphone network is not priority NASA equipment. It's not just a question of technology, but quality of service. They were using the best possible equipment at the time, which had fewer faults than our shitty civilian infrastructure even with today's tech.
Also, I can't even remember the last time I had a dropped call. This meme must be ancient.
>Pic 3It wouldn't be the first time the government has lost shit, or quietly sold it off to embezzle taxpayers.
>pic 4>what is folding?>what is compression?When was the last time you saw a parachute? Packaging large parachutes in small places isn't hard.
>pic 4>what is folding?It was folded. You can literally see the places where the vehicle is designed to fold from this picture.
>>166859>not strong enough to move anything elseWe already had this discussion. You must have either ignored the response of refused to acknowledge it.
It doesn't move anything else because solids aren't easy to move, but liquids move easily.
Remember the analogy to the weight of a quarter in your pocket when jumping? That's why you don't feel anything: it's too subtle.
>all these other memesFfs, these are the same redundant arguments over and over again. You keep posting more of them, even though any of us could just scroll up to see them.
We talked about Polaris. We talked about curves. We talked about horizon perspective. We talked about how earth looks from space. We talked about boats. We had every one of these topics before, but you keep regurgitating more memes about the exact same thing you've already said, instead of just replying to those same discussions. Why do you keep repeating yourself with things you've already said and posted?
>>167095Does he believe the world is flat? I can't find anything that says he does.
>>167096I don't know. But what I do know is that Bill Nye is a liar and a hack.
>>167100>top debauchery>gross jewess
>>167099Okay, but what does that have to do with flat earth?
Neither of them believe in flat earth, including the one you said was more qualified.
Bill Nye is a hack and a showman, more of a TV personality than a scientist, but it's not like he invented the concept, nor is he a particularly vocal proponent of it. You won't have to look far here to find people who think he's full of shit, but how is that relevant to the conversation?
>>167111It's still a decent question though, because the implicit followup is what is the incentive for such an elaborate lie, if supposedly the shape were of little actual consequence.
>>167113>the implicit followup is what is the incentive for such an elaborate lie1) To discourage the idea of going beyond the Antarctic perimeter because supposedly there is nothing to see there
2) To discredit ancient civilizations' knowledge and also The Bible.
>>167116>1) To discourage the idea of going beyond the Antarctic perimeter because supposedly there is nothing to see thereWhy would they want people to not go there if there's nothing there? Heck, it would make more sense for them to commercialize it with "edge of the world" resorts and whatnot.
>2) To discredit ancient civilizations' knowledge and also The Bible.There are easier ways to do this. Most people believe the earth is round, and most people are still religious. Round earth does not notably prevent people from being religious. Also, not all ancient civilizations said the world was flat.
>The Inverse Square Law Proves Local Sun>This video demonstrates how the Inverse Square Law proves the sun is local, and disproves the heliocentric model.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIjFkdbBe-8Mirror:
https://odysee.com/@TabooConspiracy:c/the-inverse-square-law-proves-local-sun:5
>>167117>Why would they want people to not go there if there's nothing there?There is nothing according to the masons.
>Round earth does not notably prevent people from being religiousRound earth is a deceptive statement claiming that The Bible is wrong.
>not all ancient civilizations said the world was flatReally? Would you mind to provide citations?
>>167127>There is nothing according to the masons.What is there according to non-masons then? Conventional science says there's outer space and a vast cosmos. What do you think is there?
>>167127>deceptive statementIt has not notably prevented people from being religious or Christian, so it's a rather impotent method. This isn't really a decent motive for fabricating and maintaining such an elaborate lie that would take tons of resources to keep secret.
>citationsGreeks philosophers 5th century BC:
https://archive.org/details/earlygreekastron0000dick/page/n5/mode/1upAnd that's just one example.
>>167139Agreed.
Also
>>167134 is a faggot, he sagged his post and nopony knows when an answer pops up.
>>167140I sage because I only bump good threads.
>>167141You sagged it again.
>>167145Sagging won't make our realm round.
Just saying.
>>167146Not saging will not make our planet flat.
Just saying
>>167146If you want to bump the thread, bump it yourself.
I sage 1/5 posts I make to this board, and I did on 4chan too. I only bump the highest quality threads.
>"We haven't been to space." U.S.S.R. Cosmonaut Igor Volk (Confirmed)>Does the fact that former U.S.S.R. cosmonaut Igor Volk admitting in 2014 that no one has been to space prove the earth is flat? Well, not necessarily, but it certainly evinces that all claims related to space are fake and it demolishes the number one proof of the globe. Furthermore, it proves that BIG lies are not only possible but are happening right now.>The space deception is everywhere and permeates all major institutions including academia, enforcement agencies, governments, media, and religious institutions. >This information from a brave whistleblower should be shared everywhere! Everyone should know the name Igor Volk.https://odysee.com/@TabooConspiracy:c/we-haven't-been-to-space.-u.s.s.r.:8Mirrors:
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=YB3AW9BNNM42https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0g2jPuN2Kg
>>167172>number one proof of the globePeople knew the earth was round even before we ever got to space.
>>167175People were actually
told that this realm is not a plane.
To believe that lie doesn't change reality.
>The Russians Call Out NASA>The former head of Russia’s Roscosmos space agency, Dmitry Rogozin, has expressed doubt that the US Apollo 11 mission really landed on the Moon in 1969, saying he has yet to see conclusive proof.https://voxday.net/2023/05/08/the-russians-call-out-nasa/https://www.rt.com/russia/575937-roscosmos-rogozin-us-moon-landing-proof/
>>167182no, you can do the experiments for yourself. unfortunately, it does require leaving your mom's house
>>167308>no, you can do the experiments for yourselfInteresting.
Such as?
>>167309how far is the moon from the Earth? (I already know what your answer will be but I want you to say it)
>>167310>how far is the moon from the Earth?What a disappointment. I was expecting you to describe the experiments.
>>167311I'm getting there retard, answer the question
>The Flat Earth Metabunk Debunk - Eric Dubay vs Joe Rogan>The famous UFC commentator believes that people believe the flat earth theory for the fun of it. He said, “Cos’ it’s fun. It’s fun to think you know things that other people don’t know.” He added, “It’s fun to think that everybody else is a sheep and that you understand the firmament that there is this glass cover. The stars are just light in the sky [and] earth is the center of everything, God’s in control of the whole ride.”https://www.bitchute.com/video/haDW701NxHFb/
>Joe Rogan's Moon Hoax Mystery>Many years ago Joe Rogan was a passionate and outspoken critic of NASA in general and the Apollo moon landing hoax in particular. He exposed the hoax on Mancow, debated and schooled "Bad Astronomer" Phil Plait and "Bullshit's" Penn Jillette. Then suddenly, with no explanation, shortly after getting his own "Joe Rogan Questions Everything" TV show on Sci-Fi, Joe did a complete 180 and changed from unequivocally saying "there is no way people landed on the Moon," to saying "there is no way it was a hoax!" In the following video, his best friend Eddie Bravo calls Joe out on this clear, unexpected and mysterious change of heart, saying, "Joe, you used to be the Moon hoax crusader, then something happened. What happened, Joe? What happened?"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AfT4saCiRg
>Joe Rogan and Neil DeGrasse Tyson vs. Eric Dubay and Eddie Bravo>Many years ago before having his own "Joe Rogan Questions Everything" TV show and before JRE was the world's biggest podcast, Joe Rogan was a vocal proponent exposing NASA's Moon landing hoax. He debated Penn Gillette, Phil Plait, Mancow, and many others brilliantly explaining the problems and inconsistencies with NASA's supposed Moon landings. Then one day, around Joe's Sci-Fi channel show premier, he had NASA spokesman Neil Degrasse Tyson on his podcast, praised him to a sycophantic degree, and back-peddled 180 degrees on his Moon hoax stance from stating unequivocally that (and I quote) "there is no way we went to the Moon," to stating equally unequivocally that, "there is no way that it was a hoax." Since this hypocritical 180, Joe has continued to have Neil Tyson and other establishment shills on his show, while simultaneously silencing and condemning people with anti-establishment views like his best friend Eddie Bravo. In the following video you will see Joe arrogantly, aggressively, and disrespectfully ridiculing and attempting to silence Eddie from speaking his mind about NASA, Flat Earth, Dinosaurs, Chemtrails, and other topics which Joe has clearly become a gate-keeper for.https://www.bitchute.com/video/UjLe5cKrZ2hg/
>Night Sky - When Lasers hit the Firmament [ 4K ]>Scientists claim that they are using the most powerful lasers in the world to project an artificial star in the mesosphere for telescopes.>They claim that a very thin layer of sodium is excited to glow.>The problem here, the laser stops abruptly at a barrier. This is not possible, no matter with which wavelength.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maBf0H3UNJIMirrors (no 4K):
https://odysee.com/@EddieAlencar:a/night-sky-when-lasers-hit-the-firmament:8https://www.bitchute.com/video/tLrZ7GtYXK8M/ Beautiful night sky and music.
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The scientific lecture from 2010 explaining the physics of lasers. Then the NASA's claim of what they are doing is bullshit.
>Lene Hau: "Quantum control of light and matter - from the macroscopic to the nanoscale">Lecture, fall 2010>Lene Hau, Harvard University>Professor of Physics and Applied Physics :>"Quantum control of light and matter - from the macroscopic to the nanoscale">Light pulses are slowed in ultra-cold atom clouds to bicycle speed: 24 km/hour, which is 50 million times lower than the light speed in vacuum. In the process the pulses spatially compress by the same large factor, from 1 km to only 0.02 mm at which point they fit entirely within the atom cloud. A light pulse can then be completely stopped for several milliseconds. In our more recent experiments, we take matters further: We stop and extinguish a light pulse in one part of space and revive it in a completely different location. The experiments create a new paradigm for control and inter-conversion of light and matter.... and the secret behind the trick will be revealed in the talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxFx8m41QWM
The "Official™" "Experts™" and "Scientists™" claim that stallions can get pregnant, while some claim that only mares can get pregnant - that alone proves that if you truly want or need to know something, it's better to go on the (possibly years long) journey to find out for yourself.
The bigger question is this: are you getting genuine value for your limited and dwindling time and energy spent, by trying to figure out which "scientist™" or "expert™" to trust, and would you be getting genuine value in working out beyond any doubt what shape or size the Earth truly is?
>>167443>would you be getting genuine value in working out beyond any doubt what shape or size the Earth truly is?It is not only the lie, but what lies behind it.
>>167444My point is that this particular lie/psyop/subject was introduced by the enemy specifically to cause confusion and infighting among people/stallions/etc. who would otherwise have more time and energy to find out exactly who the enemies actually are, and what other tricks they use.
Also, these "bones" for the goyim to chew on and fight over help fine-tune the enemy's tactics and help them find out the identities of any actual threats who they feel need to be "dealt with" specifically.
I realise that not everyone can stare the monster in the eye directly and needs to use less intimidating subjects and battles to sharpen their skills, but at least be aware that you're choosing to fight inside the terrarium/pen/cage that was set up for you, by the enemy you're trying to outsmart.
The world has existed every day for at least 6000 years - it's not that important to know what shape it is, and arguing over it won't reveal all that much of those who set up the subject for people/stallions/etc. to argue over. That's what I'm Saiyan here. Sorry to be a killjoy, no fun allowed etc., feel free to ignore if need be.
Nevertheless, this argument isn't much different to the "infinite genders" deception: First there were two sexes (easy-peasy so far), then a "jew" came along and changed that to "genders" and people started accepting the new term, so now there are two genders, well since "gender" can now mean what those "jews" who introduced the term want it to mean they can then introduce additional genders and even change the original meaning of that word - further removing people from the actual reality that there still are and always only were two sexes! What's the point of arguing how many genders there are, when there are only two sexes and everything else is a work of "jewish" fiction? (Besides sharpening skills without directly confronting the monster, which could be done in all kinds of other ways.)
Just be aware of the artificially-created cage one enters by taking part in these arguments. One of the first steps of introducing (((communism))) is to remove the "goyim" from a benevolent higher power so they become confused and lost, and then have them fighting/killing each other over artificially-introduced belief-systems.
>>167443>The "Official™" "Experts™" and "Scientists™" claim that stallions can get pregnantSource? This doesn't sound like a settled topic.
>>167450Oh, sorry I don't have a source on that statement right now, but the Science is Settled™ regardless. :3
>>167447>My point is that this particular lie/psyop/subject was introduced by the enemy specifically to cause confusion and infighting among people/stallions/etc.Rebuking heliocentrism is not new and hadn't been introduced by any enemy. It is all the contrary, heliocentrism is a hoax pushed by masons and jesuits.
Also it shouldn't be any infighting if the fags would had any STEM knowledge to follow science and understand that have been duped. This thread contains tons of invaluable scientific data but it looks that cannot be understood by the regular anon, worst yet, they ignore the data and keep repeating propaganda.
>>167452>This thread contains tons of invaluable scientific data but it looks that cannot be understood by the regular anon, worst yet, they ignore the data and keep repeating propaganda.If that's the case, then perhaps most people/stallions/etc. know on some level that there are bigger things to worry about, and that investing real time and energy into this discussion is going to hurt them down the road. Therefore, they'd rather just get a quick dopamine fix by making a half-hearted post and going elsewhere. It's a possible explanation.
Learning which battles to pick is pretty important as time grows shorter.
Yes this is a dedicated Flat Earth thread, but is it really THAT important to get consensus on the shape and size of the Earth, with everything else that's going on? All that energy would be far better spent on exposing the Holocaust™ lie worldwide, for example. That would wake up far more people to some harsh truths and might inspire them into more productive and positive community-action than to hear that the Earth is different to what was always assumed. Whether round or flat or big or small, it's still going to be the same as yesterday or thousands of years ago, and knowing for certain won't stop the whitey-genocide and (((chicom-style))) prison system being built around us. Just Saiyan.
I guess each side of this argument/topic is frustrated for their own reasons, and that's too bad, especially since the discussion's been going on and being kept alive for so long.
>>167453>If that's the case, then perhaps most people/stallions/etc. know on some level that there are bigger things to worry about, and that investing real time and energy into this discussion is going to hurt them down the road.Okay, now you make sense. You are in the wrong thread anon.
>>167453I disagree that this is such a time sink. No one has an optimized schedule anyway.
Could you indulge in thought experiment for just a moment? Imagine that the earth actually is flat; and you look out at the horizon and think how it doesn't bend but continue on forever, you look up at the sun see that it's close so that's why it's rays spreads across the world, and you ponder what the stars can be if they aren't suns lightyears away; do you think this would not change you?
>>167453>Yes this is a dedicated Flat Earth thread, but is it really THAT important to get consensus on the shape and size of the Earth>to get consensusTo hell with consensus, that is anti-science and revolting to the truth.
>>167458You know, Genchink chinkpact's story might be putrid garbage (it is), but the lore is actually pretty neat.
Your post sound like something directly taken from the game, for example.
>>167462Huh? Intresting ^^
>>167504That's not the Earth's shadow at all. What you're looking at is the normal appearance of the moon: a bit over half of the moon is illuminated by the sun, while the dark side is dark because it's opposite to the side facing the sun. This is how moon phases work; they have nothing to do with the earth's shadow.
The Earth's shadow only moves in front of the moon during a lunar eclipse, which happens during full moons when the sun is on the opposite side of the earth, relative to the observer's position.
I strongly encourage you to go out at night and watch a lunar eclipse next time one happens in your area: they're not that uncommon. You can watch the Earth's rounded shadow steadily move over the moon in real time (it happens over the course of an hour, unlike moon phases, which take a month). It looks a lot more like the right pic you posted.
>The Moon Mystery and the Translucent Stars in 4K - (4:07 long)>I see stars through the moon.>I show here unedited photos of me with a 16 MegaPixel resolution. Watch the video on a large screen in a dark environment to see all the details. That's why I produced the video in 4K resolution.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EuLUTmEgMs
>>167509>while the dark side is dark because it's opposite to the side facing the sun. This is how moon phases work; they have nothing to do with the earth's shadow.According to the astronomers, the moon phases have everything to do with the Earth' shadow.
>>167513>According to the astronomers, the moon phases have everything to do with the Earth' shadow.No, they absolutely do not. If you're going to say "according to astronomers", at least cite which ones.
They teach this in middle school, ffs.
>>167513>>167504You are talking out your ass, there are no astronomers who say moon phases have anything to do with the Earth's shadow. Shadows only come into play during lunar eclipses, which are NOT the same as moon phases. Astronomers all say says it's based on the moon's relative position to the sun from ground perspective.
(These graphics are not to scale, but they sum up the concept)
Have you never seen a lunar eclipse before? It's possible that at least one has happened in your lifetime wherever you live.
Globers' profound dishonesty.
>Have you ever noticed when explaining a deep subject, no matter how much evidence you provide to some people they will still fight you on it? Not because it's wrong, but because it contradicts everything they've been taught... This is called Cognitive Dissonance.
>>167631Tell us how lunar eclipses work.
Some more Flat Earth common sense truth that will make you say hummm 🤔
>>167636Didn't we discuss weeks ago that the technology is still existant in theory but the hardware dismantled and unmaintained due to lack of interest/funding?
We could go back if people actually wanted to, although I assume that the people claiming space isn't real aren't interested in that.
>>167639>We could go back if people actually wanted toThat's a good one.
>>167639>Didn't we discuss weeks ago that the technology is still existantIt is not if all blueprints were banished. Then no one can push fraud charges.
>WHO WENT TO ANTARCTICA ON ELECTION DAY 2016 - POPE, PUTIN, JOHN KERRY.
What's going on there?
>>167646>all blueprints were banishedThey weren't though. The only tech that's sealed is the technology related to our intercontinental ballistic missile system.
>>167645Maybe "if people actually devoted the right time, resources and investment into" is the right term.
But no, the government just keeps sending money to niggers and Israel instead.
The photo that NASA doesn't want you to see
>>167655>The photo that NASA doesn't want you to seeAha!
Let's find out what is about NASA's fake pics.
>>167917Twilight knows the truth.
>>168059Excellent picture, but what's this have to do with flat earth?
>>168060Perhaps to show appreciation for the plasma disk?
>>168061For a disk of plasma, it sure seems to have an interesting 2D map. Almost like the object is 3D and has craters which are visible at different times. Unless plasma takes forms that have the
appearance of craters which don't shift while observed, yet repeats the same patterns.
>>168062>Almost like the object is 3D and has craters which are visible at different times>3DInteresting theory, but there is a problem. If the moon is a ball in space, how so all the craters are perpendicular and not even one shows an angular impact?
>>168061The sun is plasma (among other things). The moon is quite visibly a solid body of material, as those exact craters haven't observably changed since time immemorable. Plasma is fluid, and wouldn't have distinctive craters and ridges for any considerable period (although it could still have them briefly, such as with sun spots).
But overall, this still isn't super relevant to flat earth, aside from vague implied criticism of conventional astrology, which is I guess is barely relevant to the narrative.
This is my first time hearing a proposition that the moon is flat though, although imo that's even less believable than flat earth, because the curve of the moon is unironically, literally, easily visible, as per
>>168062 explains
>>168063>not even one shows an angular impact?They literally do. You can see the minute elliptical ovals and rides to indicate impact angle. Some of them are shaped like long streaks. There are entire teams of people dedicated to mapping the geological (lunarlogical?)history of the moons craters to determine what caused them and approximately how long ago. The craters have names and measurements and very detailed mapping. You just need to look closer to them (as with a telescope).
>>168064>They literally do. You can see the minute elliptical ovals and rides to indicate impact angle. Some of them are shaped like long streaks.Show me those shapep like long streaks please.
Also, if the fake Newtonian law is applied, there is a discrepancy with Earth, supposedly both, Earth and Moon are celestial bodies under the same gravitational laws, but on Earth no meteorite has never ever fell perpendicularly. Strange, isn't it?
>>168065>no meteorite has never ever fell perpendicularly.Is this a typo?
>>168064>But overall, this still isn't super relevant to flat earthAstronomy is indeed, those firmament lights are very relevant as they are components of this realm.
>>168065I don't know why its so important that they come in perpendicular, because there's a lot of angles that they could approach from, especially if they fell from an elliptical orbit around the earth. Meteors typically come at a an elliptical angle, which is why you can see those long trails of smoke stretching across the sky after they land.
They would only come in at a semi-perpendicular angle if they hit the earth at a particular angle, and more importantly at incredibly high speed and mass to have not orbited the earth or slingshotted around it for any period, but instead just hit it directly. Those kind of huge heavy objects barreling towards the earth are rather rare, even among meteor impacts (thank God). I think the most iconic example would be the one would be the one that smashed into the gulf of Mexico during the late Cretaceous period, which seemed to have just barreled right towards the planet and hit it directly and bringing it's destruction with it.
>>168069Well, maybe next time post some context/argument with the picture if you have an actual point to make, instead of just image-dumping.
Thing is, the earth and moon being flat are actually two separate cosmological debates. If I proved to you the moon was round, it wouldn't necessarily prove the earth was, and vise versa. You could hypothetically have a flat earth and round moon, or a round earth and flat moon.
If you want to continue this, go ahead and post more arguments/evidence for flat moon, but it feels like a red herring for the flat earth discussion.
>>168070Forgot pic. This was the trail of one that landed on a sorry guy's house last may. It did indeed come at an elliptical angle.
Gosh I'm tired.
>>168070>Well, maybe next time post some context/argument with the picture if you have an actual point to make, instead of just image-dumping.Come on, loosen up anon. The pic is breathtaking and cool.
>>168072I said it was good, but posting it in this thread implies an argument about flat earth, which wasn't posted until inquired.
>>168071>It did indeed come at an elliptical angle.>Gosh I'm tired.No doubt. The mental gymnastics to explain the discrepancy must take most of your energy.
2023-04-04.
>Floridian Justin Harvey exposing NASA's International Fake Station
Sirius never moves, it is fixed in the sky.
>>168074Do you have an actual rebuttal?
>>168161>SiriusFive days have passed and not one single baller caught the mistake.
Pathetic.
Gravity, not even the science priests actually know what it is.
>>168221They don't know because it's not exactly easy to understand. It's one of those great mysteries of the cosmos
They could always just make stuff up if they were just bullshitting the whole thing
*cough* dark matter *cough* but it's not that simple. There are many different theories for how it works, and questions for what holds things together at the outer reaches of the universe.
>>168222>gravity>They don't know because it's not exactly easy to understand. It's one of those great mysteries of the cosmosIt is called DENSITY and explains everything darling.
>>168224It's no mystery that gravity is based on density. Even the guy in the meme could've told you that.
>>168224>Observable>Repeatable>MeasureableIt's funny how you think that those alone is how things are "proven".
>>168224Gravity is observable, repeatable and measurable. We know the rate of acceleration of gravity, and can observe it's effects on tides, terrestrial life and interstellar objects.
What we don't know is precisely why and how gravity works, only that it does. I don't see a sophisticated explanation on the metaphysical mechanics of relative density either.
>>168224No idea what relative density even has to do with concave brained earth. It's not like density doesn't exist under Neutonian gravity, or even relativistic gravity.
>>168230And even if it were something separate entirely, it's not like there's any more of a metaphysical explanation for it than gravity has. May as well be the wojak in the other pic on a fool's errand to explain precisely how and why lighter materials float.
Also worth noting that objects weigh the same in vacuum chambers, so relative density can't be the only force at play.
>>168225>It's no mystery that gravity is based on densityCareful anon, Density is not the same than mass.
>>168226>Observable>Repeatable>Measureable>It's funny how you think that those alone is how things are "proven".The 3 items mentioned above are cornerstones of the Scientific Method. Gravity doesn't meet any of those 3 parameters and therefore is just pitiful pseudoscience.
>>168236>ObservableEvery observable quality of gravity lines up with predictions made before the model was formed.
>RepeatableI think the fact we can fly across the breadth of the earth at a stable velocity in what we feel as a straight line showcases that our models for gravity and how best to work around and within it have been repeated pretty thoroughly.
>MeasurableNot one flat earth model to scale can even be produced, let alone without conflicting with itself. Meanwhile we have both Newton's and Einstein's models of gravity which match our experience about as closely as is possible
The reason I'm not even bothering to bust out the math and graphs is because, as has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt through this thread, any physical evidence produced in favor of a round earth or gravity working as we understand it will simply be dismissed as part of the cover-up. If I sit here and argue flight paths you're gonna tell me that pilots simply choose the least effective flightpaths to maintain the illusion of sphericity. That any and all mathematic models related to large celestial bodies are inventions of the masons. This song and dance is tiresome.
>>168237FYI. When this bread reaches 2,000 posts I'll make a fresh one.
>>168238And you spamming faggots call
me a bad actor with ill intent.
>>168239B-but you want this thread to keep going forever?
>>168235You're right. I stand corrected.
>>168236How does it not meet those?
Can any flat earthers tell me more about what glory lies beyond the great ice wall? What civilizations and explorers might've journeyed past it?
Fresh memes just baked. HiRes.
Flight Route Memes.
>>168397Sagging will give you the attention you wanted and deserve. None.
>>168410>why do commercial flights sometimes take detours or stop in other placesI have one very simple explanation, and it doesn't involve the entire world being topsy turvy: there is not enough financial incentive for a commercial flight which often requires a certain number of seats filled to be profitable to go to your specific destination from your specific departure region. Example, Mexico is a developing country which is decently populated but generally quite poor; Los Angeles is in the country closest to Mexico in a state right against its border. More people in California are either beaners or have the affluence to vacation in a poor place to get their cheap hookers and margaritas.
This is one of the reasons that flights to Christchurch are somewhat sparse depending on where you're departing from; New Zealand isn't that big of a country and Christchurch is not very populous or mainstream of a place (unless you're the PM of NZ touring to apologize to the poor Muslims for evil white people)
>>168413>profitabilityI heard that many times and for the unaware to the heliocentric model lie makes totally sense, however taking a closer look, the cost for extra fuel makes no sense and the detours are way, way, way too long.
>>168414You do know that map of yours is a warped, not-to-scale interpretation of a globe earth using the north pole as its center, and the lines spaced out as a means of illustrating the distortion as the southern hemisphere is warped beyond all recognition, right?
>>168415>You do know that map of yours is a warped, not-to-scale interpretation of a globe earth using the north pole as its centerIt is as it is according to cartography scientifically drawn. See
>>149243
>>168416Alexander Gleason patented his work in the US patent numbered 497,917, stating the following:
>"The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."In the queen's English, what he's saying is that he knowingly used a globe shaped map of Earth, shifted perspective to the north pole, and extrapolated with even lines with reference to the meridian in order to come up with simplified time zones. Funny how your purpose is cartography for ease of navigation, instead of the establishment of simplified time zones. Why would he have to adapt his map from the globe model if this were a flat-earth researcher?
As a little side note to showcase why I'm not taking your argument that "it's just so far!" to heart: Greyhound buses have long distance detours all the time. The trip from Fayetteville NC to Columbia MO went as far south as Atlanta GA, both ways. This is because Fayetteville really isn't a super major city aside from the military base within it, and outside of the military which will happily pay their recruits' flight bills to go anywhere within the US, average Joes aren't vacationing to a college city in good ol' Misery where life is expensive and very unattractive for tourism.
>>168417>In the queen's English, what he's saying is that he knowingly used a globe shaped map of Earth, shifted perspective to the north pole, and extrapolated with even lines with reference to the meridian in order to come up with simplified time zones.I believe your are flipping the meaning. He calls the ball map out.
>>168417And the map issue is not restricted to that map in particular because the German High Command and the USAF also used that Flat Earth map to conduct the war. See
>>157419
>>168418I can forgive you for thinking that he's calling the globe some kind of extortion in the legal sense of the word, but in the context of the sentence he seems quite clear in saying "the difficult obtaining/crafting of this map from the other map" -- otherwise, he would be calling himself an extortionist twisting the arms of globe-earth cartographers to get them to confess to the
reeeaaal map, which I highly doubt.
>>168419I could name a dozen armies who used any vaguely representative maps for their planning, whether highly accurate or not, so long as they had some kind of handle on the topography of the region he is acting upon, which I can easily assume is on his other, more local maps. The map distorts the northern hemisphere the
least. Now if Hitler decided he'd fly bombers over Australia or Argentina and he used that map, he'd be bombing water with how off-base he'd be.
>>168420>I could name a dozen armies who used any vaguely representative maps for their planningIt is up to you if choose to believe the teachings for nomies or go straight for the maps used by professionals.
>>168421I literally couldn't even see a map in the first clip until the arrow pointed at it. The lines aside from the rings around what seem to be the center point don't even seem to have a pattern to them. The video of the phoneposter waving at a paper map is so low resolution and unfocused that I genuinely can't figure scale or even differentiation of countries' shapes. It looks like a high-fantasy map png you see hung up on an orc's fucking wall at a comically low resolution, or some kind of meme with a fisheye lens with its focal point somewhere that was totally arbitrary. I can't see the mileage markings, I can't see the flight lines themselves even with his finger going over them.
The line about curved/arced flights also showcases that you have never thrown a ball straight up while on a moving object. When something is moving or rotating, and you are going with its motion, you are essentially swimming along with the tide as opposed to upstream, which consumes less fuel and takes less time. Some flat earth proponents say this is just because of wind, but no wind speeds even remotely high enough to make a major difference have ever been recorded even amid hurricanes. And some of these inter-continental flights go in opposite directions simultaneously, are the wind currents localized to the planes, like a state-spanning tornado surrounding each individual plane that flies one way so they both make it to their destination quickly?
>>168422As I said, it is your choice which framework of knowledge you use.
>>168423Let's see, the framework which seems to purport to all the evidence and doesn't require believing the entirety of humanity has been duped into some mostly-inconsequential model of reality which only affects physicists and physicists seem just dandy doing experiments with.......or the one where gravity is actually electromagnetism but magnetic materials and forces are unaffected by its pull toward the Earth, the moon is a hologram or a flat object which everyone at every place in the world sees exactly the same way, eclipses require an anti-moon to explain, and plane travel is conducted entirely by conspirators of the NWO.
Oh yeah, you're right. Flat earth sure is an entertaining model. For science fiction novels.
>>168411Why would you sage if you want attention?
>>168424>and plane travel is conducted entirely by conspirators of the NWO.The plane model isn't even correct. It's just using "popular travel" routes, which are designed around providing airplanes with the most financially profitable routes, as in where civilization actually exists, as an example of said "conspiracy". This is despite the fact that you can personally charter a direct flight from one of those locations to another for a bit more money, but that's also further "solidifying" the conspiracy angle because you have to pay real money to do it.
>>168423Horsie knows what's right. Listen to horsie.
>Jesuits Erasing our Flat Earth - Documentary - (25:38 long)>How the biggest deception started and who promoted it, narrated by Johnny Cirucci. From the Holy Roman Empire, to modern times, while explaining the Jesuit connection with Pythagoras, Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, Einstein, etc.https://www.bitchute.com/video/u2N9xKJZA5zP/Mirror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbyJDou4qQIt is a solid, informative documentary.
>>168460>How a Pilot Ended the GlobeHere's the 3rd part watching the stars moving in a totally different fashion than expected by the ballers.
>4,656 Miles and Zero Curvature - Part 3 (How a Pilot Ended the Globe) - (2:36 long)https://odysee.com/@TabooConspiracy:c/4,656-miles-and-zero-curvature-part-3:2Mirror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RagVOOW-sa8
>>168572>more "wer do i go down doe" argumentsAllow me to put this in terms that even you might understand. Imagine, if you will, that there is a rubber band of a very specific distance connecting you and a plane to the very center of a ball earth. Elevation from the center would be exactly the same on a round trip no matter where you go. The "band" pulls in a manner that you could pull it further by tilting up, loosen it by tilting down, or stay at the same length with a moderate amount of downward force which is resisted by your craft on account of being aerodynamic.
You don't need to actively try to point down because the angle changing is imperceptibly small and elevation is not changing relative to the center of the earth on a cruise route.
>>168573>The "band" pulls in a manner that you could pull it further by tilting up, loosen it by tilting down, or stay at the same length with a moderate amount of downward force which is resisted by your craft on account of being aerodynamic.That's a fine explanation if you want to stick to the delusion; however the stars don't lie, if this realm would be a ball, stars would move upwards and they don't.
>>168574>the stars don't lieYou mean the stars that look different from places on different areas instead of looking the same across the flat earth? The stars that proponents of flat earth have to come up with shit like "personalized stars" to explain?
>>168575>the stars that look different from places on different areas>personalized starsWell, I don't want to gloat but you might need a bit of training on using the starts to navigate.
>>168576From the north hemisphere, the "starts" rotate in one direction, and from the south hemisphere, the "starts" rotate the other way. How is this? Imagine how that would look from a flat earth model. Imagine someone looking south from the south ends of South America, Africa, or Australia. On a round earth, aside from potential timezone differences, these people can all look south and see the Southern Cross. On a flat earth, these people are literally on opposite ends of the realm. How the fuck is that explicable with a flat earth?
>>168576>>168577Actually, to add to that, what the fuck is """south""" on a flat earth? These people would be looking in entirely different directions on the flat earth map, looking directly to the closest direction of the outer ring of Antarctica.
>>168578What???
>>168577The planed crossed the Ecuator tropic. Did you notice that happening?
>>168580Why did you delete your post if you're not even going to spellcheck what you said? How does this make it so these three countries' southernmost points are literally looking in
OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS?
>>168581Back to the topic. See
>>168580
>>168583???????????
Firstly you literally changed the topic of the stars and then told me to get "back to the topic." Secondly, how the fuck does the planet cross a tropic? Tropic literally means a region of the planet.
>>168584>how the fuck does the planet cross a tropic?This is elementary school geography class. In my region I learnt about tropics perhaps when I was 10. I assume you are the product of the Rockefeller curriculum, so, it is not your fault.
Seriously, would you like to talk about Hollywood movies instead?
>>168586>Tropic literally means a region of the planet.
>>168587Rockefeller curriculum indeed. The jews did a very good job retarding the population.
>>168588This doesn't clear anything up.
>>168588And U are the biggest example.
>>168589It was you who said the stars rotate in opposite directions in every hemisphere, then, if you know the very basics of geography...
I'm not saying that's incorrect, I'm saying where in the video happened? And because you have no clue and speaks only because of the movies and what the school taught you, you are more than confused.
Stick to Flat Earth fren, even if you insist you live on a ball, you will learn A LOT about STEM subjects and many other useful themes.
>>168591>I'm not saying that's incorrect, I'm saying where in the video happened?Motherfucker, go to the southern hemisphere. Set up a telescope and watch the change over the night. Fucking drive to South America through Mexico. It's not some super obscure thing that nobody is allowed to see because the EU will stop you by any means necessary.
And since you've completely ignored this point because you think naming tropics invalidates it:
how do these three locations see the same Southern Cross?
>>168592>Motherfucker, go to the southern hemisphere.Ahem.
>>168593>this time I'm not disagreeing because that would make me sound like a massive retard>but also hurr hurr hollywooded
>>168594Be sport anon. You stepped on a field that is not your league.
The best and advisable thing to do is to retreat and read some books.
>>168595Shut the fuck up. How do Australians, Africans and South Americans see this?
>>168596I think you should explain it (I suspect you can't).
Is it one of those personalized stars you were talking about? /s
>>168597Because all three continents are on the southern hemisphere, and looking south would mean looking in the same direction.
All maps that flat earthers have made contradict this. They have these people all looking in three radically different directions and seeing the same star. What's YOUR explanation?
>>168598>They have these people all looking in three radically different directions and seeing the same star.But not in the same sky position at the same time because the stars are rotating on the firmament. See
>>168161
>>168599So according to you south is different at different times of day. Compasses have no function at all. Okay.
How about the planet and daylight obstruct visibility? Is that really hard to believe?
>>168599And actually, two of those countries CAN see the same star at the same time. Just have to have one at early night and one at late night/early morning to sync it up. But completely possible.
>>168600>So according to you south is different at different times of day.Not the South only. I am talking about different locations (or geographical longitud), each fag standing at different longitudes will see at the same time X star at different positions.
>>168602Aside from the rotation which we all see happening, everything is quite static out there, on behalf of how far away they are.
And regardless, the model you touted and continue to tout shows THIS. So this is law now.
>>168602>geographical longitud)I am sorry, I forgot your Rockefeller curriculum.
>>168605If you see the
>>168604 pic, you may notice that a faggot on the North Pole on a ball will be in the same situation than your pic of a flat surface.
Just saying.
>>168606What, he's gonna look through the ground he's standing on to see the Southern Cross?
>>168607>Rockefeller curriculum againLook again both pics, imagine yourself with a compass on the north pole and pointing at different locations named south. See the similarity?
>>168608You mean the magnet fails to work because you're literally on the opposite pole? If you pick a direction and go straight, eventually it'll end up going to the south pole. How does someone on the north pole on a flat earth not see the Southern Cross if it's flat?
>>168607At this point I am wondering. Are you even White?
>>168610At this point, I'm wondering. Are you even White?
>>168611Just to inform you. At school always was forbidden to use an electronic calculator until the Calculus level was reached. Yes, it was stressed to use the brain on long manual calculations, very prone to error, over the convenience of machines.
That was not a Rockefeller curriculum at all.
>>168613Maybe they don't like third graders using an electronic calculator for their times tables because they're teaching them to actually do arithmetic.
>>168614>third gradersYeah, right.
>>168615What precisely is the point of talking about calculator usage? Just another ginormous-faggot topic switch?
>>168616My skin is my uniform.
>>168618>that skin>that arm hairWhaddya know, he is a boomer! Thanks for taking the bait I guess. You're still a massive faggot though.
>>168619>hairThis is not happening.
>tfw Equestria is based and flatpilled
is Lauren Faust /our/ flat earth girl?
>>168410Moar HiRes Flight Route memes.
Flat Earth is one of the most political topics out there yet it needs to be contained in the paranormal section
>>168669Can I have the source for pic 1? That doesn't look like the moon to me.
Also, what's up with pic 4? You can see everything Galileo did with a modern telescope. The only difference between now and then is light pollution, which is solved by going somewhere secluded.
>>168671I'm not the poster but, this cannot be happening at /mlpol/.
F
>>168672Well, to me it looks like a photo of the sun. The moon has visible craters.
>>168672>this cannot be happening at /mlpol/Oh noooo, don't ever ask for the sauce for pics. That never happens on chandites.
>>168671>You can see everything Galileo did with a modern telescopeAgain, I'm not the posters, but if you go to jewtube and search for moon+nikon you might conclude that Galileo was a nigger.
>>168675What did Galileo see that I can't now?
>>168674B-but, what difference does it make?
>>168676Check yourself out at jewtube anon. Spoonfeeding is not in the menu today.
>>168678>Spoon-feeding>implyingI asked to to elaborate on what you said. If you can't even do that, how am I supposed to take you seriously?
>>168680It's your opinion.
>>168682Enjoy your discussionless meme-dump then.
>>168673craters or lumps?
>>168684Fellow Equestrian, I just came home, I'm dirty and hungry, I have 4 messages and 3 emails plus a ton to check online before even to engage you again. Please by patient. Thank you.
>>168686Nigger, people are just responding to things you say. Respond in time or wait to respond, stop announcing every time you take a nap.
>>168721Those are vapor trails. They dissipate and distort immediately, and they're nowhere near long enough to show visible curves relative to the earth.
Not only that, this photo is taken at a worms-eye angle where vertical curvature wouldn't be visible even if they were long enough.
This is so retarded, it must be a joke. I think you just reposted satire.
>>168722>Those are vapor trails.Mmmmm, it doesn't look like.
>>168722>This photo is taken at a worms-eye angle where vertical curvature wouldn't be visible even if they were long enoughA better angle to show that there is not any curvature perhaps?
>>168731Well, first of all, they are visibly curved in those pics, just not curved in any particular direction: these lines are hardly ever straight in the first place, so you wouldn't notice the curve even if they were there.
Second of all, they're not long enough to see visible curvature for the same exact reason why you can't see the cube of the horizon.
>NASA shows sportsmanship by congratulating India on beating the US to the moon's South Pole - BUT Russia and China stay silent after the Chandrayaan-3 craft makes history>India has landed on the moon's South Pole - an unmapped region of the surface>The nation now joins Russia, China and the US in landing on the moon>Chandrayaan-3 will determine if water ice is hiding in the South Pole regionhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12436887/Indias-Chandrayaan-3-makes-history-landing-moons-South-Pole-time-beating-Russia-China-USA.htmlYeah, right.
The NASA moon mission v2.0, shitskin version is soooooooo credible. Nevertheless that space does not exist, but the normie has to be fed more illusions.
>>168967Russia is "silent" because their own mission to the lunar south failed last week. It was probably rushed out because they wanted to do it before the Pajeets (not to mention budget cuts in favor of the Ukraine war), and now they're embarrassed at letting street-shitters beat them in rocket science because.
China isn't saying anything because they don't want to acknowledge that the Pajeets might rival them in technology, since they've been wanting to land there as well. Their relationship with India is also fairly adversarial, despite trying to cooperate with BRICS.
Unless you're implying that Russia and China are only staying silent because they don't want to corroborate the concept that space is real? It's a bit late for that, as they both have their own space programs. They're
>The NASA moon mission v2.0Which mission? There were several.
Also you're giving NASA too much credit. NASA hasn't been able to land any probes on the moon's south pole. They lost to Pajeets. It's kind of a big deal in the world of space expeditios, because the moon's south pole's potential for water and minerals may make it a site of interest for future operations.
Of course, I don't expect you to believe anything about what I just said. I'm just commenting on the news for anyone else who has to see it the next time this thread gets bumped.
>>168971>Russia is "silent" because their own mission to the lunar south failed last week.And you believe them. /s
C'mon we are well beyond the "just trust us" point.
>China isn't saying anythingAnon, all space agencies are ran by the same hoaxers.
I know the shitskins are a joke, but if they for real released this CGI then there is not hope for them.
https://twitter.com/TNTJohn1717/status/1695415299774849291
>>169047I'm telling you right now. That CGI is not real.
>>169049Where is this video from? I can't find it anywhere.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tXbH6E8vDsgAll the pics I of earth I'm finding from the mission look something like the link above.
>>169048Why did you bring up their silence if it's not relevant?
>And you believe them.What is there to believe if they didn't say anything?
>>169047Where are these videos from?
>>169054You have to go to the source of mass propaganda dissemination.
>>169053>Why did you bring up their silence if it's not relevant?Cos that's the point of this hoax and narrative. The rise of the third world and the sinking into oblivion of the west. Both Russia and China are main branches of the NWO, and they are making room for a minor branch to come under the spotlight.
It is all smoke and mirrors to shape further the mind of the masses.
>>169047Yeah, that's a very good question. Who was already on the moon to film the landing.
>>169056>they are making room for a minor branch to come under the spotlightIf they meant to make room, why wouldn't they publicly congratulate India?
>>169055I've been to YouTube. I'm asking where that footage in particular comes from. Idk if it's even part of the same project.
>>169056>The rise of the third world and the sinking into oblivion of the west.Russia and China are not the west.
>>169059Dig anon, dig. Surely you'll find out.
>>169058>If they meant to make room, why wouldn't they publicly congratulate India?A public concession it looks to me.
>>169061My digging led me to the conclusion that this is a completely unrelated video. If you have evidence to the contrary, do share.
>>169063Don't give up anon, I know you can do it.
>>169047>Chandrayaan-3 - More of India's CGI Moon Landing
Eric Dubay discusses the truth about the (local) moon.
An object transiting the surface of the local, possibly-plasma, moon.
Weird.
>>169411>look at me! I don't know what exposure is!!!
>>169412Both can be done easily with ISO400 in case you are wondering. This is coming from somefag that entered into a dark room before.
>>169412Ah, also there is no way such amount of light to be reflected by a dark dusty rock.
>>169414>white dust>not reflective
>>169416Do you feel clever screenshotting the same post that I can already see in front of my own eyes? You think that proves anything that hasn't already been said?
>>169417>Do you feel clever screenshotting the same post that I can already see in front of my own eyes?Actually is kinda charity I'm doing with you. By helping you to see what you refuse to see, I'm doing doing the Lord's will. Even if I only get scorn in return.
>>169418I can already see it quite well. I just disagree with your implication.
You can see this stuff on earth. If you look down at a salt flats from the top of the hill, the white plane looks so bright it's blinding to look on that direction, but if you're standing in the middle of the flats it looks normal and unremarkable.
>>169418>God made me do all what I doPlease stop slandering God's good name.
>>169460And what about all the rest? Hah? Those planes are off by thousands of miles.
>>169463How does this explain the above video?
>>169464It doesn't because you picked the most extreme case to explain tons of geographical anomalies that doesn't add up.
And your video doesn't debunk anything by the way, it only shows that that particular route can take another path.
>>169466>it only shows that that particular route can take another pathThen why would they all have similar durations?
>>169467>Regardless, the flight path is only feasible on a round planet.Wrong. That particular path is feasible in both realms, this is why the faggot doing the video picked that route.
>>169468>Then why would they all have similar durations?Take a look to your own video, the answer is right in front of your eyes, fren.
>>169469>the answer is right in front of your eyes, fren.Take a long look at it and see how the paths vary greatly in distance on the flat model.
>>169470>Take a long lookBetter yet, let us measure it.
>>169472It's completely clear that the path that flies over Sydney is much longer on the flat model, and yet the flight path is similar in duration to all the others.
>>169473>It's completely clear that the path that flies over Sydney is much longer on the flat model,I presuming you are referring to the arc over the Pacific ocean, then you may ask to the faggot who draw the arc on the map instead of straight line over or alongside the Americas.
>>169474The line is drawn that way because that's the path it takes irl. It passes over Sydney, Aukland, and Santiago, and arrives in it's destination at a similar time to all the other paths.
This picture demonstrates that you can leave Jakarta in any direction and still get to Bogota in an similar amount of time because all the paths are the same distance.
This isn't possible on flat earth: Flights with paths closer to the south pole (or "ice wall") would be drastically longer, as shown in the map.
>>169476>The line is drawn that way because that's the path it takes irlAnd how you know that is IRL? Pilots themselves have discovered that instruments lie to them, more on this soon...
>>169477>implying the pilots are taking three times as long for all three of the other flights just to conceal the true distance of the fourth one>implying they could do this on a plane with minimum velocity without detouring in a way that would be impossible to concealNow you're just moving the goalpost. You lost the argument over the logic, so now you're resorting to denying the flight paths themselves.
You don't believe me, go crowdfund some flights from Jakarta to Bogota and try them yourself.
>>169477Also, the path that moves over Sydney is still twice as long as the next path, even with that ugly black line you drew. Idk what you were trying to prove with that one.
>>169474>draw the arc on the map instead of straight line over or alongside the Americas.The arc is reflective of the path the plane takes irl.
On a round earth, it's actually a straight line.
But that's still hardly relevant because even if you make the line straight as in
>>169477 you'll find that it's still much longer than the other paths.
>>169478>Now you're just moving the goalpost.On the contrary, I'm securing their fixed position with proof. Instruments are calibrated to lie to the pilots.
>>169482Then what are those planes really doing so that all of the passengers arrive at similar travel times?
If they took different paths, they wouldn't be hard to spot.
If they moved three times slower, they wouldn't be able to stay in the air.
So what are they doing? You claim that the instruments are lying to pilots, but what's your alternative proposal to what's happening?
>>169484I'm still playing the video, it didn't finish yet but here your are answering back. WOW!
Are you really after the truth? Or you just want to be right?
>>169485I've already seen this video.
It's also not relevant to my question.
>>169486>I've already seen this video.>>169484>You claim that the instruments are lying to pilotsIf you already watched it, then everything about should be clear to you. ZOG is providing tampered instruments giving false readings.
>>169485You still haven't explained how planes are able to fly in four different directions with those flight paths, and arrive in similar travel times for what would be wildly different distance on flat earth, but similar distance on round earth.
You can claim the pilots had their equipment like to them, but that doesn't explain how all those planes are getting there in the same amount of time.
>>169488I'm not contesting that instruments could lie to pilots. I'm asking you how the planes are able to arrive at their destination from three different directions in the same travel time.
You can't just fly a plane at a third of its cruising speed: it will crash.
>>169489>You still haven't explained how planes are able to fly in four different directions with those flight paths, and arrive in similar travel times for what would be wildly different distance on flat earth, but similar distance on round earth.It is right in front of your eyes. Get an orange and use a tailor measure tape, no matter from where choose to measure, the diametric opposite side will be at the same exact distance.
WOW!
>>169491Yeah, that works on a sphere; it does not work on a circle. You can clearly see on the chart that the path over Sydney is longer on the flat model, because it runs closer to the "ice wall" and would thus be much longer on flat earth.
>>169491>orangeAn orange is a sphere.
>>169492Make it easy for everyponer, get the times and the links to check what you claim is true and not a wild fantasy.
>>169494>Jakarta–Istanbul–Bogota: 12h 0m + 13h 45m = 25.75 hours>Jakarta–Hong Kong–New York–Bogota: 5h 5m + 16h 0m + 5h 42m = 26.783 hours>Jakarta–Tokyo–Houston–Bogota: 7h 35m + 12h 5m + 4h 55m = 24.583 hours>Jakarta–Sydney–Auckland–Santiago–Bogota: 6h 55m + 3h 5m + 11h 0m + 6h 14m = 27.23 hoursAll these flights vary by only a couple hours, when on flat earth the path over Sydney should take 2-3 times as long because of it's southernmost route.
>>169495Ahem. You will need a bit more than that.
>>169495Plug it into the air miles calculator if you will
https://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/bog-to-cgk/On a flat earth, the further you go from the pole, the greater the distance around the earth will be. It's a radius/circumference thing. That's not happening here over Sydney. They're flying straight towards the antipodal point, just like a tailor's tape around an orange, that tailor's tape giving similar measurements for the other three flight paths.
>>169497>On a flat earth>It's a radius/circumference thingYou've got the spaces flipped. On flat Earth we are talking about straight lines on a flat plane.
>>169495Links?
>>169496I've been doing this for over an hour. I need to go to bed. Fiddle with the link below. It shouldn't be hard to find other links, because the Jakarta-Bogota flight is famously the longest flight on earth (being on exact other side of the world, no matter what direction you fly in). In all cases, and all paths, the flights vary by ~3 hours at most.
>>169498>straight lines on a flat planeAn ice ring has a circumference.
In either case, you could still see that the path was longer. It was STILL twice as even when you drew that straight black line through it.
I provided a link.
Pro-tip: you were onto something with the tape measure and orange analogy. Think a bit longer about the shape of an orange.
>>169498All this time, you've been arguing for a round, circular earth. Idk what shape it would be if not a circle were it still surrounded by an ice ring.
The earth you described would have its circumference be 78142.78 miles of "ice ring".
Did y'all like the partial solar eclipse the other day? Yesterday at noonish, my time? You know the collander trick, right? You grab a collander and hold it about waist-high and line it so the sunlight travels through the holes with least friction. This will project the shape of the sun on the ground, so you dont burn your retinas.
So this one was a partial solar eclipse. The sun never looked mpre than like the moon from castlevania; cool as shit, but not what you WANNA see.
Well.
It just so happens, THAT is gonna happen on April 8th 2024; right ~ 6 mos from now.
A full and total solar eclipse, with the mass darkening of the sky and the full ring of fire visible aloft.
And for me, its gonna peak at... 1:37
13:37, if using....
Anyway, you wanna know why this is significant?
Because if you understand all the references Ive made, you would know that none of this is possible on a flat earth.
>oxygen
I don't tell me it is because the NASA hacks used more pressure to fit more gas because both tanks contain liquid oxygen and liquid is for practical purposes incompressible.
>>169746Those suits only had 6 hours of oxygen, iirc. Idk where the 22 hours thing comes from. I could be mistaken though; where did you find this information?
If you look closer, the suit and it's backup pack have significantly more volume than the driver's tanks. Oxygen/Nitrogen balance probably plays a role, as nitrogen saturation is a factor to keep divers from dying from the bends, but I would have to look it up first. Diving is also a much more oxygen-intensive task than walking in microgravity.
The Apollo 11 suits are also airtight, unlike the diver's gear which loses air with every breath in the form of bubbles. Humans don't absorb 100% of the oxygen they inhale, so as I gather the space suit has a longer life by refiltering exhaled air and sealing CO2 away.
>he doesnt want to comment on the eclipse
>>169749>the eclipseWasn't that post sagged?
>>169754What does that have to do with it?
>>169747>I could be mistaken though; where did you find this information?
>>169758I tried reverse-image searching. It didn't work. Where did you get the pic?
When I looked it up, I saw that it is in fact only 6 hours of oxygen.
>>169759>I tried reverse-image searching. It didn't workOf course it won't work. You dump your dumb phone and get a real computer to search for oxygen tanks.
>>169760I was asking about where you got the meme. I have the oxygen tank info right in front of me on my computer. All sources I see say six hours.
>>169762Racists on the internet gave it to me.
>>169763Well, it looks like they were mistaken though.
Of course 22 hours doesn't make sense, because that's not what it was. They did not walk on the moon for anywhere close to 22 hours. It was made for 6 hours.
>>169762>I have the oxygen tank info right in front of me on my computer.Source???
Talking about soooorces.
Most globers listen to this dumb nigger Tyson and agree he is smart. LOL
>>169766This is public domain information, ffs.
The 22 hours thing was an ass pull. I cannot find anyone who's ever claimed the suit has 22 hours of oxygen, and considering the fact that you won't say where you got it, you can't either.
>>169768>Most globers listen to this dumb nigger Tyson and agree he is smartBarely anyone thinks that. Even other astrophysicists think he's an egotistical hack. Faggot celebrity-scientist.
>>169770That PDF is about the technology used for life support in a close system and it does not apply to the meme which is specifically about gas volume/hour endurance.
It is very simple, so many cubic feet of oxygen can keep alive a human so many hours. It is like a fuel calculus, so much fuel, so many miles.
>>169779
The PDF is about the life support system, which includes how much oxygen the tank can provide.
It is able to go for 6 hours instead of two for multiple reasons including but not limited to the fact that it doesn't need to account for nitrogen saturated bends, it's visibly larger than a single diving tank or pair of tanks, and the fact that it doesn't waste oxygen by expelling it in bubbles every time a breath is taken like the diver does.
>>169782Dude, that might work. and with a lot of limits, in a submarine where size and weight are allowed, not on the back of a man.
>>169785The designer expressed regret for not being able to make it last that long without increasing the volume of the suit, but luckily, equipment weighs a lot less on the moon.
Besides, these men were the fittest America had to offer. U.S. soldiers periodically carry heavier loads on their backs.
I believe the meme he shared is confusing aggregate time with the walk time. Google brings up that:
"The moonwalks conducted by American astronauts lasted for 20 hours and 14 minutes. During the Apollo 17 mission, astronauts Armstrong and Aldrin spent 21 hours and 36 minutes on the lunar surface. In total, American astronauts have spent 3 days, 8 hours, 22 minutes and 26 seconds walking on the moon."
This matches the meme time, which quite purposely confused the time when each individual walk before returning to pick up a new supply was:
"walked around for about two and a half hours"
In other words, their big ass backpack allowed for double the time of an average dive tank. You can tell in the image that those tanks don't match the size of the backpack, nor match the weight because you need to remain mobile under water while on the moon, you can just walk and jump.
You have been lied to. Next time, don't believe random fucking strangers on the internet giving you shit tier memes.
>>169792>Next time, don't believe random fucking strangers on the internet giving you shit tier memes.Those hideous racists...
>>169794I didn't say anything about them being racists. I said they lied to you because they are strangers giving you shit memes. Nice try at deflection.
>>169795>I said they lied to you because they are strangers giving you shit memes.Did you ever consider that memes can be homemade?
>>169797Exactly my point. Seeing as they made them at home and they gave you the wrong number on your meme for you to believe, then you were lied to.
Unless you are speaking to it being homemade as in you made it yourself, in which case you took the wrong fucking number, dumbass.
>>169797That's no excuse for being shit-tier and inaccurate. Even at face value the meme made no sense, and the maker either did zero actual research or made it inaccurate on purpose.
And then you went and reposted it without checking, and claimed it proved your point, leaving the rest of us to check for you and call out that it's nonsense. Nice move.
>>169799>Even at face value the meme made no senseIt makes totally sense, even with all the mentally gymnastics cannot be beaten, IMO.
>>169800It makes no sense because nobody has ever claimed that the life support system works for 22 hours, except for the brainlet who made this meme.
>>169800So, are you admitting to lying purposely for propaganda?
>>169802>So, are you admitting to lying purposely for propaganda?WOW that's a bold lie. By refusing to acknowledge the tank sizes
>>169780 you are a dishonest chump.
>>169803The meme says 22 hours. You lied. You are suggesting you made the meme yourself or comes from trusted sources. It is proven to be a lie because it was 2.5 hours.
>>169804>The meme says 22 hours. You lied.You lie. According to NASA, its actors in space costumes were there for 22 hours. If they replenished their air supply, is not proven.
>>169806https://youtu.be/S7Cl1hRMPA8?feature=sharedThe meme says 22 hours. The sources said 22 is aggregate. Are you telling me that they didn't sleep at all during the mission?
>>169803The life support system is visibly bigger than the two tanks in your stupid meme: the tank is literally bigger.
It also, again, doesn't need to account for bends, and it is doesn't waste oxygen by bubbling it away.
It's ridiculous for a suit to last 22 hours, but one being designed to last for six hours is well within the realm of possibility for all of the reasons described above. Just the fact that the suit is a closed system alone means it's drastically more air-efficient than the civilian diver's tank.
Also, they didn't even use it for the full 6 hours, they did it for 2.5 hours. 6 hours is it's absolute maximum. Even most diving tanks can actually go for longer than their labelling recommends, but only retards would push the limit when their brain tissue is on the line. They made a suit that was more than twice the capacity they needed because they had to account for things going wrong and the astronauts somehow being delayed on their path back to the vessel.
>>169807>Are you telling me that they didn't sleep at all during the mission?Sleeping does not stops breathing. Just saying.
>>169806>You lie. According to NASA, its actors in space costumes were there for 22 hours.Where and when has NASA ever said this? It's not in any of their documentation or their announcements.
>>169809They weren't wearing the suits while they slept, idiot. They slept aboard the vessel, which had more than enough Oxygen.
>>169803>refusing to acknowledge the tank sizesWe all said the tank on the suit is visibly bigger. You can see that it's bigger.
>>169806>According to NASA, its actors in space costumes were there for 22 hours.[Citation needed]
>>169755You simply get as much attention as you intended to raise. By saging, that means nothing at all.
>>169914Pretty much this.
>>169914Then why are you replying now?
>>169940Just to let you know. You should be happier anon.
>>169985I'm not the same guy.
>>170134And I'm not OP. Checkmate fagget.
>>170135Checkmate what? What's your point?
>>170137What's the bottom photo from?
Privately owned high altitude aerostatic balloon.
>>170139Which one?
I'm trying to look it up.
>>170137It's pretty easy to cut photos like this to make them appear flat. It doesn't help that the lower photo is so grainy; almost as it it were cut from a larger image.
Of course, we could settle this right away if we had the name of the balloon and the date this photo was taken.
>>170139Privately owned by who?
>>170141>It's pretty easy to cut photos like this to make them appear flatYou tell me. For decades the masons have been using eyefish lenses and everybody swallowed the hoax.
>>170142More like the opposite. Defishing high altitude photos make them appear flat. Give me a named example of a balloon and I'll show it to you.
>>170142What about the image you posted though? How do you know there wasn't any fisheye involved?
>>170142Exactly, funny how globers are only so skeptic when it come to alternative true evidence.
>>170145About that whole eclipse thing,....
>>170145>true evidenceYou've still yet to give the name of the balloon, or any single example we can analyze.
>>170142Does that include the supposed privately-owned high altitude balloon that you posted?
>>170146I, too, am interested in what flat earthers have to say about the ring of fire eclipse.
>>170149Just wait until april. Many may have missed the last one, but they WONT miss this one
No doubt itll be factored into the ramping WW3 talking points,... ugh, its gonna get spicy
>>169806>According to NASA, its actors in space costumes were there for 22 hours.I haven't found NASA saying this anywhere. You must be mistaken.
>>170137>List 25 filenameReally? That's where you get this crap?
>>170181Mhm, about that whole 'eclipse' thingy
Chunk of the moon appears to be orbiting near Earth.
>>170186What's so special about this particular pic?
Also, this wasn't filmed. It was a photograph. The videos are much lower quality because video tech wasn't as developed back then.
>>170185>they're saying a piece of the moon just fell offIt didn't "just fall off". It's been there for a century.
>two years ago they said the same.>second time in two yearsThe asteroid was named as a quasi-satellite in 2016, a study in 2021 analyzed it's material composition, and a recent study graphed it's current orbit and extrapolated it's previous orbit. This retard didn't even read the articles he's ridiculing, because he's claiming that NASA said two things happened when in fact both articles are referring to the same fucking rock.
It was two years ago (2021) that a study was done analyzing the light reflecting off of the asteroid and concluding that it had the same substance composition as the moon, but weren't sure how a lunar object would
The new study is based on a computer simulation that graphs the asteroids orbit, explaining how Kamoʻoalewa attained such a peculiar orbit bouncing between the earth and Sun's gravity.
Both studies were referring to the same rock, the rock that has been circling for decades. Nobody ever claimed that a piece of the moon "fell off" of it two years in a row, unlike what this wigger is saying.
Do you even research this shit before posting it?
>>170185>NASA just announcedFfs, they did not "just announce" it. The recent announcement was publishing a simulation-based study about it's historical orbit and a prediction for how long it will start near earth.
>>170187>>170188>>170192Freemason spokesperson replays...
>>170193>ad homenimAre you going to refute the argument, or was what I said correct?
>>170194You know he wont, because it is.
Still waiting on that whole eclipse thing
not to mention the ships over the horizon thingBut staff is okay with this cuz it doesnt hilight (and yet it does) their malfeasance
>>170195He won't answer about the eclipse because he's embarrassed that he can't.
>>170212Starlink is going pretty well for him. That satellite Internet is really taking off.
Elon owns half of the satellites orbiting the earth right now. It's come to the point where the U.S. military had to buy their own Starlink system for Ukraine so that Elon wouldn't be able to turn it off.
>>170213>Starlink is going pretty well for him. That satellite Internet is really taking off.A hint.
Neither Starlink or any satellite service does work in the mountains away from populated regions nor in the middle of the ocean. And when actually and intermittently works is because there is a balloon floating at 30km high relaying the signal.
>>170216>Neither Starlink or any satellite service does work in the mountainsWeren't they using Starlink terminals out in the mountains of Morocco after that earthquake recently?
The biggest benefit of Starlink is that it works even in remote areas and where infrastructure has gone to shit.
>oceanYes it does. It has almost complete coverage over all the world's oceans. They use it on ships all of the time.
>>170217>It has almost complete coverage over all the world's oceans.Go below the Ecuator parallel and see how it works, the further you sail to the south, the less functional is.
>>170218They were it to track ships having to go around the horn of Africa in real time during that Suez canal fiasco. It works perfectly fine down south.
Where are you getting this?
>>170219>Where are you getting this?First hand experience sailing the Cabo the Hornos, where the world ends before reaching Antartica. This have been described by me like a thousand posts above.
>>170221You tried using Starlink there? What year was this?
>>170222>What year was this?I won't dox myself neither my boat. Sorry.
>>170223Well, if it was more than three years, that's not really relevant, because most Starlink satellites have gone up very recently.
>dox yourself>implying a boat among tens thousands sailing on a particular year is doxxable
>>170224>because most Starlink satellites have gone up very recently.Yeah, but satellital service is way before Musk's hoax.
>>170224>implying a boat among tens thousands sailing on a particular year is doxxableThe Cabo the Hornos is a veeeeeeeeeery special route where no many adventure into. Just yandex it.
>>170225General satellite service isn't Starlink internet. Starlink has proven to be reliable all over the ocean, so sailors can shitpost from anywhere on the seas.
And as I said before, the number of satellites has doubled in the past few years.
>>170225>hoaxConsidering how lucrative and influential satellite internet is proving to be, it wouldn't even matter if it were made of a bunch of balloons or dangling on strings glued to Ymir's skull. Whatever it's made of, Starlink is an incredibly promising technology.
>>170228>Starlink is an incredibly promising technology.I would say a balloon technology rebranded as satellital.
>>170229>picsThese aren't Starlink terminals though?
Pic 1 is from a test flight for a silly sunlight-blocking technology to fight climate change in Sweden. It was cancelled due to being stupid
Pic 2-3 are pics of NASA's launch of the Compton Spectrometer.
None of this has anything to do with Starlink.
>>170230>None of this has anything to do with Starlink.Of course not. You really expect Mr Musk to show us commercial secrets? But the balloon technique stands.
>>170231>But the balloon technique standsBased on what?
We could've had satellite Internet a lot earlier if balloons were reliable satellites.
Starlink took off when spaceX developed a method to recover rockets so that the equipment for putting satellites in orbit wasn't only disposable.
>>170233>We could've had satellite Internet a lot earlier if balloons were reliable satellites.Exactly, balloons are so effective as the wind currents that take them away, that's the reason why a continuous launching rate of balloons are necessary to fake satellites and keep an apparently stable communication link.
>>170235Except balloons also deflate over time at a rate that makes them unreliable for permanent infrastructure.
>continuous launching rate of balloons are necessary to fake satellites and keep an apparently stable communication linkOh, hahaha, just continuously keep launching $250,000 satellites that fall into the sea when their balloons pop. That's totally a sustainable business model.
>>170236>$250,000 satellites that fall into the sea when their balloons pop. That's totally a sustainable business model.Dude, even Amazon was not a sustainable model for years and I'm not sure is getting even today. All these private enterprises would never survive a year without government contracts and assistance. You see, while claiming to be a companies in a free market environment, reality is that they survive because government centralized communism.
>>170235>>170236It would cost $15,000,000,000 per day to continuously replace all Starlink satellites without communications loss, and that's just considering the manufacturing, not the salaries of the technicians or the cost of launching balloons.
>>170237You seriously think Elon is spending more than fifteen billion dollars per day to continuously replace over five thousand satellites on weather balloons that cost two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and only last for two hours each?
>>170238>You seriously think Elon is spending more than fifteen billion dollars per day to continuously replace over five thousand satellites>5,000 satellitesYou seriously think Elon is telling you the truth? KEK
>>170239Okay, tell me what it would cost then.
>>170240No idea and it actually is not important because is the same case than Google. The government is interested in keeping functioning at any cost, if it makes profit is good, and if not injections of capital will keep it afloat.
>>170239How would Starlink possibly work if there weren't that many satellites? You think this is possible with only a few satellites? This is a fuckload of data we're talking about.
>>170242>This is a fuckload of data we're talking about.It is not. 97% of all internet traffic goes through submarine cables and the rest is distributed between land fiber optics and airborne relays.
>>170243Except all of that has to be accessible through the satellite if Starlink is supposed to be useful for anything, so it does indeed have to go through the satellite.
The only reason Starlink works is because there's so many of them, and there's that many of them because SpaceX recovers the rockets for reuse.
>>170244>so it does indeed have to go through the satellite>satelliteAirborne relays.
>>170245Weather balloons only last two hours.
To have continuous connection, you'd have to replace each of them 12 times a day.
>>170246>Weather balloons only last two hours.Non-sense. Think about many days.
For those in the known.
>The current solar cycle is, indeed, a circle. Because the sun revolves in a circle, that is also the shape of the ice wall that exists at our boundaries.
>The firmament barrier may be much larger than this, though, according to the 'moon map' - the image of the Earth we see projected on the moon.
>On the moon map, we see many other, HUGE pieces of land - and resources - outside our solar cycle, and the ice wall.
>>170372I've heard of Dark Continent theory. It's basically the Flat Earther's equivalent to Hollow Earth theory: it would be really amazing if it were true, but there's little evidence for it (even in context of Flat Earth cosmology). The concept of a terrestrial hidden world outside the known boundaries of our own with it's own lands and resources and unexplored frontiers is a cool idea, although not much supporting it.
I've seen Dark Continent theory in referenced in a lot of fantasy world-building. One example would be the Magi manga (although it has a spherical earth, it's still the same concept). It's a fun trope, for the reasons above. I would recommend it for fantasy world-builders interested in making a final frontier who's existence tells a story about the meaning of the world's creation, being in close proximity to the great rift of creation, perhaps even the path to an ancient, dead world from eons before this land was formed, or an inverted world unlike our own, perhaps even the realm of the dead, or the home of our ancestors.
The trope is, in many ways, like an inversion of hyperborean hollow earth theory. Where Hyperborea depicts a paradise in the north, and a world within a world, Dark Continent theory depicts a dark and loathsome wasteland which encompasses our own, a world outside our world.
In my own fantasy pony worldbuilding, I considered the idea of the Dark Continent being the icy frontier of the world being a rugged and untamable place, where providence withers, reality breaks down, and the wendigos rule the frigid edges of disharmony. I based it on the warning sign in The Witcher III: "You've reached the edge of the world! Only devils roam here! Turn back!". I love the trope of the edges of reality being dark and sinister places inhabited by nameless horrors, but still worlds in and of themselves.
Where did you quote that greentext from? I would like to read more about this supposed "moon map". All I find is maps of the cartography of the moon itself. I know the moon is reflective, but I didn't think it was reflective enough to reflect a mirror-like image of earth.
>>170372This picture appears to be from a book. What's it from?
>>170373Okay, I did some research on the "moon map" thing. It's the suggestion that the moon is actually a map/reflection/projection of the earth.
Overall, I have to say, I disagree. Not only do the craters of the moon not really match the geography of the earth (although they could look vaguely similar if you squint), the moon's craters are also observable in greater detail with medieval-era telescopes, and while observing the moon shows that it indeed does have mountains, pits, and valleys, they don't really match up with the geography of the world.
To kill time, I decided to check out if anyone decided to map out the moon's craters in detail and compare them to the earth, but all I found was vague outlines drawn with an excess of wishful thinking.
Cool idea, but it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.
>>170375>Cool idea, but it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.At less... you try to match the map with the undersea geology, then suddenly it makes sense.
>>170373>Dark Continent theory depicts a dark and loathsome wasteland which encompasses our ownDid you know that there is some myths about sunny warm lands beyond the frozen wasteland? If so, it may be that there is at least other sun circling the dome in a wider ring.
>>170373>The trope is, in many ways, like an inversion of hyperborean hollow earth theory. Where Hyperborea depicts a paradise in the northA reminder that the north is also guarded by men with weapons and no one is allowed to travel there.
>>170376Nah, I considered that. There doesn't seem to be any exact match with abovesea geography.
>there is some myths about sunny warm lands beyond the frozen wasteland?Of course I know. I just referenced Hyperborea.
>no one is allowedThat's not really true at all. People go there all of the time. You can schedule holiday trips there. Multiple shipping routes go there too.
>>170379>Nah, I considered that. There doesn't seem to be any exact match with abovesea geography.Hang on. I saw a good presentation but long and geometrically convoluted, but kinda a geographical match nevertheless.
Our constellations have never changed, and our Earth clock has never changed.
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>>170385>Our constellations have never changedOur constellations have demonstrably changed, since Ancient Egypt.
>If everything was moving we'd see different things in the skyWe've had this exact conversation before. It was explained. Scroll up.
Why are you posting redundant arguments? Why are you repeating yourself? Did you just forget?
>>165136Somewhere around here. You've brought this up before. Everypony remembers.
>>170387>You've brought this up before. Everypony remembers.Yeah, and yet you still insist in your misinterpretation because you have no clue what you are talking about. If your ball is flipping around in a allegedly universe, then is impossible to have any periodicity in stars' position.
>>170388>then is impossible to have any periodicity in stars' positionHow is that impossible?
And again, you're just repeating yourself, with the same arguments you've already made in this thread, like a broken record.
>>170389>And again, you're just repeating yourself, with the same arguments you've already made in this thread, like a broken recordNo U.
I have a better idea, instead of talking about something you know nothing about, why you don't plot the earth trajectory in a heliocentric setting and then find out where the stars are?
>>170388>is impossible to have any periodicity in stars' positionUntrue. The stars have consistent positions because in the grand scheme of things we're not actually getting very much closer to any of them. The universe is so enormously vast that the amount the earth has moved in the history of humanity has made very little difference in terms of positions of the nearest stars.
>>170391>why you don't plot the earth trajectory in a heliocentric setting and then find out where the stars are?Pic related
There is an entire field of science devoted to tracking the position of the earth relative to the nearest celestial bodies.
>>170392Oooooh. I'm impressed, you brought stuff.
>>170392>The stars have consistent positions because in the grand scheme of things we're not actually getting very much closer to any of them.Correct. This realm is fixed.
>>170391>earth trajectory in a heliocentric settingAre you asking for the trajectory of the Earth's or it around the sun, or the trajectory of the sun itself (and thus also the moon) around the center of the milky way?
>>170395>This realm is fixedIf by that you mean the universe is only so big, then sure.
>>170388We literally refuted that argument 2 years ago.
>>170396Well, there are a lot simultaneous translations for a ball in a vacuum. Self spinning, relative to the sun, relative the cosmos. Then you may consider all of them.
>>170397>the universeThe dome.
>>170400Me, and the 3-4 other guys who answered your point about Polaris.
>>170402I didn't know so many globers were pounding this thread.
>>170403Most of them got bored and left.
>pounding this threaIf you make a thread and bump it periodically, people are going to respond.
>>170404>Most of them got bored and left.Not bad, not bad. Frustration is not easy to tolerate.
heliocentrism is bullshit anons, theres no more reason to keep defending the imaginations of freemasons
>>170432The world revolves around Tia's giant ass: this is the true nature of heliocentrism. The earth (round) revolves around our sun, and the sun (projection of Celestia's holy plot) rises above Equestria (flat) when Tia claps her cheeks in the morning. Masons created both flat-earthers and general astrology to distract us from from the TRUTH about the cosmos, that Equestria is right beside us on the other side of the sun.
Embrace two-cheek theory.
>SOLAR ECLIPSE BUENOS AIRES ARGENTINA - (1:20 long)>Thursday, July 2, 2019 from a roof of a building in Buenos Aires, Argentina.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcOgqT-Pu0U
>>170435thats cute but we all know the earth doesnt move
>>170379>Nah, I considered that. There doesn't seem to be any exact match with abovesea geography.>>170380>Hang on. I saw a good presentation but long and geometrically convoluted, but kinda a geographical match nevertheless.I was looking for the formal long presentation/lecture showing and explaining the moon/earth matches but I'm unable to find it for the time being. However I found the closest video on the subject, it has not the rigorous scientific content of the first one but it is close enough. This takes the moon map to a new level.
>Selenetical Physics Vol. 1: An Exercise in Visual Pattern Recognitionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtM97zuMrfEand
>Selenetical Physics Vol. 2: Reflections on the Electric Field>Intro to the electric circuit of the moon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL1bQS3kdk0
>>170466Equestria doesn't move. The earth does.
>>170523>The earth does.No.
>>170529>unironically reposting satire
>>170530>satireWell, some globetard photoshopped Manhattan to make it look on a ball.
>>170146>>170149>>170182>>170195>>170200>solar eclipseI doubt you globers will ever entertain the idea of a Black Sun.
All proofs that Earth is a spinning ball rely on un-testable claims.
>>170537This says "X is contrary" a lot, but doesn't provide any reasons why/how, or even examples.
>>170538>but doesn't provide any reasons why/how, or even examplesIt is meme. What you want is contained in tons of videos from multiple creators. I suggest you may begin with Eric Dubay's ones.
>>170537>>170539>A list>A memeOkay haha clown world. This isn't something like
E. It's not deep fried. It's not quadruple ironic.
Just a list. Anyone can make a list.
Normies can make a fucking list. They do it too!
What changes some bullshit into a meme is quite simple.
I'd share it but I have a hunch I've shared it before.
yogurt
It's in the name
If you're in you're in
Consider the humble meme farmer.
>Pastor Greg Locke - Flat Earth melt down # 3 - Debate Dec 2nd Nashville TNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T84zZs5nzcThis has got enormous entertainment value. The protestant self-righteous preacher, with guitars included in his church, suffers a nervous breakdown on The Bible passages describing this realm as being a plane.
>>170539>It is memeA bad meme. Contributes nothing to the conversation.
>>170544>A bad memeAn excellent one. It points straight to incongruencies in the heliocentric model.
>>170545A good meme would be an infographic. This is just an list of unsupported opinions.
>>170546>unsupported opinionsHow so?
>>170547It just says "evidence is contrary" on multiple points, but doesn't even bother to say how, summarize it, or even direct the reader to a "true" source where they could find it themselves.
>>170548It has been already answered at
>>170539The Truth is Out There.
>>170549Still a shit meme
>>170541>>170545Okay Mr List a meme.
You keep thinking it's the bees knees, and don't wonder at all why many think your choice in memes is extremely poor.
I'm sure every single person in the world agrees with your statement and if they don't they're obviously not you.
>>170551A bit negative. Aren't you?
>>170552Instead of focusing on his negativity, maybe think of why everyone else on this board is so tired of you.
>>170554>sagging againMaybe you could attend your own threads instead of getting obsessed with others' would bring you inner peace.
>>170556>attend your own threadsIt's not about the thread. It's about you. The way you behave, not only in this thread, but in all of the others, including ones that I made, both recently and less recently. You dump low-quality garbage and facebook-tier memes all over this board before derailing them with barely-related tangents.
Everypony is sick of you.
>>170558>It's about you.Ah, it is personal so.
I'm afraid that I might not conform to your specs as you desire. Independent minds rarely do so, and it is natural that conformists like you lose their minds. Sorry, not much can be done about it. You may have to learn to deal with different opinions and approaches as life is not designed to cater your taste.
>170560
>different opinions
>I might not conform to your specs
>conformists like you
He really doesn't get it...
>>170556>>170558>>170560Are you samefagging?You know what. Fuck it.
>>170582I did the work of digging up the links, in case anybody cares to know more context than a single meme provides:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2022/08/03/do-we-need-the-first-ever-drop-second-a-new-wobble-by-earth-caused-the-shortest-day-since-records-began-say-scientists/amp/https://www.independent.co.uk/space/earth-spinning-slower-day-length-b2140840.htmlFor the record, although the two headlines are conflicting, they're actually talking about the same phenomenon: the gradual deceleration of the Earth's rotation, and fluctuations thereof ala the Chandler Wobble (caused, of course, by Chris Chan's attempt to psionically bring about The Merge early from jail last year). Both articles are consistent with one another, probably prompted by the same news; it's just one is focused on the Chandler Wobble that offsets the general trend, and the other is focused on the gradual slowdown with the exceptional fluctuations caused by the wobble.
OP of course didn't bother to check the articles and instead just reposted a crappy meme that his Facebook algorithm recommended him with highlighted text as if that somehow alone proves that the earth is flat.
>>170583>as if that somehow alone proves that the earth is flat.Actually the lack of curvature demonstrates definitively that we are not living on a ball.
Neither you nor the fake scientists can beat that.
>>170583>I did the work of digging up the linksImagine a faget so obsessed with insisting he was not deceived instead of accepting the overwhelming evidence that this realm is flat.
>>170587What that to do with providing links?
>overwhelming evidence that this realm is flatLol, lmao even
>>170585>lack of curvature demonstrates definitively that we are not living on a ballWe've been showing you evidence of curvature from dozens of separate sources for more than two years now. You just refuse to acknowledge them because they contradict your worldview, or you call them fake without arguing for it. We've also refuted your claims to the contrary with eloquent and well-backed arguments, to which you just shit all over the board or pretend like you won by dumping your smug reaction image folder, and then go on to ignore the arguments themselves without addressing them because you know you can't. Then you wait a few weeks/months and post (redundant) memes parroting the same exact arguments that we refuted earlier in the thread, conveniently forgetting the prior argument which you failed to answer to.
Every couple weeks it's the same shit. You make an statement based on a shaky claim, you fail to refute the opposing argument, and then you forget it like it never happened and post the same thing again (as if we couldn't just scroll up to see it).
>>170589>Invoking der Führer to prove your pointI can do that.
>>170591Those circular maps are used in wars because they're more accurate for the northern hemisphere.
We know Hitler didn't believe the earth was flat, because he instead entertained the hypothesis that it could be hollow, and sent scouts to the North Pole to investigate the to hyperborea.
>>170592>because he instead entertained the hypothesis that it could be hollowI'm not aware of der Führer sending expeditions because of that.
But according to some, that idea makes sense indeed as the Black Sun is below.
>>170592Isn't the North Pole basically just water? Besides, you don't know he was looking for hyperborea. He probably just wanted to meet Santa Claus.
>>170589>t. monologuer, the monologuing faggot
>>170603>hurr durr monologueYou are like a baby. You failed to come up with a coherent response, so you once again resort to red herrings.
>>170604I - i'm sorry, but the anon you are answering to, it is not me.
>>170607>pic 1What is that place?
Also, why wouldn't reflections be possible on a round earth?
>pic 2Idk how higher elevation of the lake is supposed to make surface level curvature more visible than it would be at sea level.
That diagram is wonky too.
>>170608>What is that place?Uyuni Salt Flats, in Bolivia, South America.
>>170608>Also, why wouldn't reflections be possible on a round earth?Judge by yourself.
>>170608>how higher elevation of the lake is supposed to make surface level curvature more visibleIt is not about elevation, but a 118 miles distance.
>>170610Draw it to scale, you'll find out your flat Earth models doesn't work in general.
You'd have to include a person, the location, the celestial bodies, the seasons and how light works.
You've botched each and every question given to you by answering with nothing.
>>170607>everywhere has to be round or flat all the timeThat's how I know you're a nigger.
>>170612>Draw it to scale, you'll find out your flat Earth models doesn't work in general.>You've botched each and every question given to you by answering with nothing.Dear anon, you don't want answers but to be right on the lies you support.
The round model fails every time you apply trigonometry and according to the fake scientists numbers. By the way, trigonometry is impervious to scales, in case your arrogant ignorance won't let you study a bit of math to come to the level of discussion needed in this thread.
>>170613It's quite impressive that you've never traveled.
The Earth is an orb-oid it's extremely roughly ovoid to spherical made of spikes, flats, dips, dives and dodge.
A lump.
That means the topology and geology of various locations are varied and different.
There's the macro scale which is close enough to a sphere for rocket, projectile physics.
The local scale is rough.
Trigonometry works.
There is a drop off. Otherwise you can't do ballistics or you miss.
When you know the scale of a man and his measure and what ground he stands on you can know truth.
The truth loves you and is waiting for you.
The truth is alot bigger than you're giving credit for.
Explanations have been posted again and again before. Multiple Tests you can do that are repeatable, measurable and practical.
>>170614>Multiple Tests you can do that are repeatable, measurable and practical.That's science 101, sadly, the heliocentric model doesn't pass the tests.
>>170614Globers are under hypnosis, a guy says.
>>170617>nobody>spouts claim>doesn't support itHey everybody stop doing anything some jackass said you're just under hypnosis.
>>170618>Hey everybody stop doing anything some jackass said you're just under hypnosis.Including (you).
>>170623That's right especially you.
You can't answer anybody's questions.
You can't say why flat earth is important.
You can't critically look at whatever you spout here.
You can't say anything of value besides your talking points.
I get you're trying to psyop because you got salty over being assblasted about jews, samefagging and bring a stick in the mud amidst other faggotry.
I understand you have special needs, very special needs, but I'd suggest focusing your tisms on more profitable pursuits.
>>170650Doesn't this also imply that space is real though, since the particles are coming from outside the field?
Also, this has been a known thing for a while. The Earth's unique magnetic field protects life on the world from harmful solar wind and cosmic particles. It's a feature of having a solid metal core beneath the liquid mantle.
>>170651>It's a feature of having a solid metal core beneath the liquid mantle.That's what you've been told.
>>170651>It's a feature of having a solid metal core beneath the liquid mantle.Mmmm. Do you know that that claim is just a theory? The deepest perforation ever made on the Earth's surface has been only 12 km which can be considered as just a scratch.
>>170653Where are the elections in the link you posted coming from, besides outer space?
>>170654>electionsWhat elections?
>in the link you postedWhat link?
>besides outer spaceThe post mentioned the inner core of a planet. What outer space are you talking about?
>>170687*electrons
>What outer space are you talking about?The pics in
>>170650 refer to electrons coming from outer space being blocked by an invisible shield.
>>170688>The pics in >>170650 refer to electrons coming from outer space being blocked by an invisible shield.Ah, those.
Do you realize that everything written in that article is based on hired "scientists" doing measurements on Earth? I mean, the claim that there is "A Shield" is gibberish for "It must be a filter somewhere up there because my instrument is not recording as many electrons as I wish".
>>170715>Do you realize that everything written in that article is based on hired "scientists" doing measurements on Earth?Then why did you post them?
>"It must be a filter somewhere up there because my instrument is not recording as many electrons as I wish".You must've not read it.
>>170716>Then why did you post them?To oblige globers like you. After all, I understand that some fags have problems coming to terms with the lies they have been fed all their lives.
>>170717You just say shit because you like spewing shit.
Wow, amazing, incredible, stupendous.
We have gone 2,225 posts and you are still unable and refuse to prove your position about anything about Flat Earth.
Besides muh globers, hurr durr I'm the smort cause I can say use Camera and ignore everyone.
>>170722The doggy is still digging the filmation set.
>>170719It's all so tiresome.
>>170942Wow, more brainlet tier memes. I'm so impressed.
>>170943its okay ballfag, we know you cant meme
>>170944You will never have a flat Earth. You have no model, you have no math, you have no testable predictions. You have a zoomed in photo twisted by bad line-of-sight calculations and weed into a crude mockery of God's perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, and your “friends” laugh at your flattie videos behind closed doors.
Rational people are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of hours of education allow smart people to sniff out pseudo scientific frauds with incredible efficiency. Even flat Earth photos which “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a thinking person. Your unanswerable questions are a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk girl to watch a video with you, she’ll turn tail and bolt the second she realizes you weren't just joking about flat Earth conspiracy theory.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake "I know it's true!" every single morning and tell yourself others are going to believe. But deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight caused by the force you deny, Earth's gravity.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear – you’ll buy a ring laser gyroscope, start your livestream, and plunge into the cold abyss of Internet mockery. Your parents will find you accidentally proving the globe, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They'll copy and upload your video across social media, and every viewer for the rest of eternity will know Earth is a rotating globe. Your flat Earth videos will decay and get deleted from YouTube, and all that will remain of your legacy is a video with an experiment that unmistakably proves the globe.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>170946ugh guess ill take the time to disect your shitty meme
>muh modelscientific experiments dont require scientific models all the time
>mathmath is used to describe things, whereas physics is meant to explain things. math can be used for anything fake or real
>gyroscopethe 15 degree per hour drift thing is only relative to the poles. it also picks up the movements from the sky. if we were to assume its detecting motion from the ground then that means the ground would move under flying objects suck as planes, helicopters, balloons, and birds
your move fag
>>170950>shitty memeLol, lmao even. The poster of badly-compressed jpegs from Facebook in a constant slew of mediocrity and redundant claims calling anyone memes shitty.
Stay mad.
>dont require scientific modelsAnd yet you can't produce any.
>math can be used for anything fake or realAnd yet you can't use it to prove your own claims.
>if we were to assume its detecting motion from the ground then that means the ground would move under flying objects suck as planes, helicopters, balloons, and birdsIt does. That's why they launch rockets from Florida to take advantage of the rotation of the earth.
>>170952the globe model has been falsified countless times. there is no math to prove the globe model. and you are clueless on the expertise of rocket trajectory. yet you just somehow continue to believe that the earth is magically moving beneath your feet because you were indoctrinated as child
>>170953Keep telling yourself that. The Anons on this board will surely come to respect you some day.
>>170955lmao you only care about respect because you dont care about whats true
>>170946>>170952>>170955Here are pones they're (uu)^2.
>>170957>lmaoYou enjoy getting ass blasted that much?
>>170963did you come in this thread to "le btfo flat earthers" too?
>>170964Did you bump this thread just too "le btfo globers" too?
>170964>did you come in this thread to "le btfo flat earthers" too?You're doing a fine enough job on your own.
I'm here to spread hors.
>>170965
>>171165I'm still waiting for some faget to demonstrate the curve.
>>171186We already did, in this thread. Scroll up.
>>171188>We already didVery disappointing, not even one post shows an experiment measuring that theoretical curvature. Like it is a fiction.
Ban evasion
I can't believe this thread is still going, there's probably a serpent-worshiping "jew" behind this scheme somewhere.
BTW - the ultimate authority Jesus Christ/God, says the earth is ROUND! I'll post that proof later, if this giant spergthread continues without some ChristStallion posting it before me.
Advice for life: If somesperg (((claims))) something about God's Word or the Bible, make sure you ask them to show the verse (and context) and check to see if it's KJV - the other versions have varying levels of dangerous corruption in them. For example, even the "New" King James version removes the word/name "Jesus" several times - what kind of "Bible" would remove any mention/naming of Jesus?!
>>171190>I can't believe this thread is still goingIt's all because a single retard keeps bumping it with his crappy Facebook jpgs. The actual "arguments" (if you could call them that) stopped happening years ago.
>>171189>(Ban evasion)I'm not aware anypony was banned. Just saying.