Has anyone else had the feeling like the bump limits on this site are too high? They're much higher than those of other sites like /pol/ and /mlp/. On /mlpol/ threads stay up for years at a time, and I feel like it's broken the spirit of our old "no generals" policy. Maybe it would be healthier for discussion to have lower bump limits and simply have Anons make new threads when old ones hit their limit, to prevent stagnation.
I think they've been extended twice before since the start of this site on request by some Anons who were in certain long-standing threads, but i feel like that might have been detrimental in the long term.
When Catalog View is an option who cares what's on the first page?
It's not really an issue of what's on the first page, but threads just staying up for too long and basically becoming generals.
If threads had smaller bump limits would that really encourage new discussions, or new weekly general threads with links to last week's generals?
I think it would encourage fresh discussion, with Anons replying to posts made the same week, rather than 7 months to two years ago.
Really just food for thought. It is worth noting that the bump limits are abnormally high on this sight compared to various other chans. I wonder if that's actually been good for us or not.
Intellectual discussions take longer to finish.
I bet if a "Is Fallout Equestria shit?" thread was started on /mlp/ it wouldn't go anywhere interesting. A few fanboys might argue with people who abandoned the fic 1-10 chapters in. Someone might say "Read until they get on the train then stop". Would anyone take the time to analyze it chapter by chapter, page by page, paragraph by paragraph for its literary value, flaws, and missed opportunities?
How long something takes to finish and how many posts a single thread needs to have are a different thing. Posters could always make new threads.
Long threads staying up for years is also good, specially generals as they function like a vault for content. For example the book and music threads.
Couldn't the threads just be remade when they hit bump limit though?
Bump limits exist for a reason. Refreshing at a healthy rare is part of what make a chansite functional. It also makes it so that undesirable threads slide as new threads are made and people stop recreating the old.
Imagine if the bump limit was too small. How many discussions would be rehashed in the weekly thread for each unfinished discussion and unresolved argument?
An overly small bump limit would be harmful but an overly large bump limit would barely be noticed. How many threads actually last long enough to hit bump limit and require links to previous thereads?
I'm not saying the bump limit should be tiny. Just that it might be a little too big right now. It's not like having bump limits too small were the root causes of dysfunction on /mlp/ or /pol/.
Also, what's wrong with links to previous threads? It's easier than sifting through threads thousands of posts long.
You don't view threads on "last 50 posts" mode so they load faster?
What about threads 600-800 posts ago? Can you always remember how far back they were?
If it is not broken, don't fix it.
I think it might be, tbh.
Was it broken before we extended it this far?
It worked fine. If anything's preventing the creation of new threads, it's the fear of being told your thread idea sucks balls.
Yeah, it did work fine then, so perhaps extending it was unecessary.
Making new threads for unfinished topics is mildly inconvenient. A higher bump count means less of that inconvenience.
>>5990>so perhaps extending it was unecessary.
And making them shorter now might be also unnecessary.
Using the same argument:
It could be worth to keep them as they are.
I feel like the situation could improve if the bump limit were lowered.
I think that the way it is right now is just fine.
I understand the sentiment, however, the solution, I don't think, is to impose technological restrictions to achieve these ends, those ends being more satisfyingly achieved alongside a bit more of a gracious disposition when it comes to posting new threads that have been at a minimum competently constructed. Most of the time when I start new threads I take a viewpoint agnostic approach and say little, which usually avoids flak, and then for the first post after OP I can kick it off with what I think about the issue at hand to start the discussion. However, I will say that posting a half-baked idea and looking for feedback can result in petty namecalling that at best gets us nowhere, and more often than not DOSes threads, and likewise and more importantly the minds of otherwise well-to-do poners from actually thinking about what's being proposed or asked about, how good or bad of an idea it is notwithstanding, and I see it (at least the current frequency of the utterance of "faggot," among other insults) as a relic of the early days of 4chan that I'd rather leave behind, see pic related for exhibit A. Agree with someponer or don't, just please be cool and polite about it.
I wouldn't really call it a "technological restriction", tbh. /mlpol/ has very, very high bump limits, even for an altchan. We didn't always have bump limits this high, and it's questionable if our site's quality really improved at all after we raised it again and again.
>>6208>I wouldn't really call it a "technological restriction", tbh. /mlpol/ has very, very high bump limits, even for an altchan.
Whatever it may be, I would still maintain that the perceived problem is something that could more easily and robustly be solved by a paradigmatic and cultural shift. Some threads indeed have gone well into hundreds of posts, not being of a general nature, and yet more have been bumped off the catalog before they've reached a single hundred.
The perceived problem we appear to be attempting to solve here is that there are too many posts in general-type threads, without those posts being distributed to other threads, thereby providing an opportunity to raise the overall quality of the site. If I am correct in that assumption, a good solution might be for poners to create more threads instead of post in the threads reaching the bump limit. We really only seem to differ on how to go about encouraging that type of behavior; would it be too much of a stretch to claim that, should more poners create more threads more quickly on their own, perceived stagnation of threads and topics might be avoided, and indeed that could end up facilitating discussion more than a hard cap could provide?
Put another way, if I have the option of having 16 gigs of RAM, as opposed to 8, but I usually didn't go anywhere near filling 8 gigs anyway, myself I would still choose to have 16 gigs. Just because sometimes I could stand to use it, if absolutely necessary, since I would rather do what I needed to on one computer, rather than starting up another to finish up the job.
I think extending the bump limits to this point has been a failed experiment. Increasing the bump limits hasn't done anything but create scenarios where Anons reply to OP's posted years ago. It was better when the bump limits were smaller.
>>6210>I think extending the bump limits to this point has been a failed experiment.
Absurd.>Increasing the bump limits hasn't done anything but create scenarios where Anons reply to OP's posted years ago.
So what? If an anon has something to add, so be it. A 2 years old post doesn't change the written ideas.
If the thread is still in the catalog, to answer to it is pretty valid.
On the other hand, if a thread is still in the catalog after 2 years, it is because of a lack of new ones.
What did we gain from extending the bump limits this far?
Fair enough. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
We lost the feeling of having normal sized threads on our board.
What was the benefit though? Why did we do it in the first place.
>>6216>We lost the feeling>feeling
It's an opinion founded on a subjective wimp.
Do you not notice the difference?
I think the absurdly long bump limits make it pretty easy to derail threads. Anons flame at eachother over something that was said weeks ago and continue to flame over it for months. If we had reasonable bump limits conversations would get a fresh start every now and then.
Naaaah. It's fine like it is.
You'd be surprised how long some will stay mad at you for across multiple threads for multiple years, but bump limits won't change that.
People would just move on to the latest locations of the same discussions more often. And people with drawings of OCs pinned to dart boards would still play darts to take a break from the pool table I gifted then after living in their heads rent-free for so long.
I think it could be better to go back to smaller bump limits, though. I don't like this 1000+ post status quo. I feel a bit inclined to help reverse it because I feel partially responsible for causing it; requesting that my favorite threads just be extended because I was too lazy to make new ones. I've slowly come to realize that that may have been to the detriment of site quality.
I think we could at least reduce it. Maybe cap it at 500. That would still be more than either /pol/ or /mlp/.
I think it could be better to keep the same bump limits, though. I like this 600/700+ post status quo. I feel a bit inclined to help keep it because I feel partially responsible for conserve it; requesting that my favorite threads just be kept because I was too concerned not to make duplicated new ones. I've slowly come to realize that that may have been to the improvement of site quality.
I think we just keep them as they are. That would still be more like /mlpol/ style.
We had normal bump limits for at least 2 and a half years, maybe three. The long bump limits are a new thing.
Also, idk if that's exactly what I want to define us as a community.
Aryanne is a meme and mascot who predates the board, but certainly defines our community. I was referring to meta features though.
Yeah I bet you think about sucking balls all the time, don't you tranny faggot. I bet you'd even suck Nigel's balls, for all the bitching you do at him.>>6218
I think this is really getting to the rub of the matter. You act like you don't have feelings because you think that if you had to face them you'd probably have shot yourself in the head quite a while ago. So you feel like you've got to try and fuck with other people so you can distract yourself. I fucking hate your guts (and rightfully so) but I assume it wouldn't exactly be an honorable move to kick someone that's likely to say something like "the truth hurts more than anything else" or brags about living "rent free" like being a piece of shit is some kind of accomplishment. I mean your life is already over, and since I'm simply better than you I'll try to help anyone, even a wretch like you, whenever I can. All you really need to learn to do is to ask politely for it, the help. Otherwise you're going to keep pushing people away and wondering why they think you're such a piece of trash (I mean I know you know already but it's clearly because you are). You can be fucking with other people's feelings, sure, but that's nothing to be bragging about. I want to call you all sorts of adhoms but for some reason I feel like that's something you actually want, to be validated that you're some kind of cumstained faggot, and it's not as if you're not, it's just that I feel as though you've got some perverted need to show yourself that nobody's righteous so that you don't have to act with righteousness yourself. So unfortunately I can't accommodate that for you, any more than you've already scratched out of me, but it would behoove you to know that none of what you're doing is in any way something to take pride in. The best you can really do is to drag other people; and in any case it doesn't really matter whether or not they win, you've already lost because you've gotten your balls cut off and are an unrepentant nigger about it. Like I've been saying, you need to either man the fuck up or paint the walls with your brains already like you've been planning on doing. And in case you had any questions about it, you are most definitely a burden to other people. You might be able to bully these other poor bastards and hangers-on, but they would do well to stop enabling people like you, and if there is a masculine part to your brain still I think deep down you know that already. But if the hormones have taken over completely then you're going to disregard what I'm saying precisely because it touches a nerve. This really isn't surprising to people that still have their nuts, aka those that haven't already gotten themselves damned. I could go on, but I think if you haven't gotten the idea already, then you're already set on sucking some buckshot out of a boomstick, and there's really nothing to do. Anyway, get fucked in the ass tranny faggot. I'm sure you'll gladly oblige.
>>6409>requesting that my favorite threads just be kept
Couldn't you just make new threads with the same topic?
We're not a very fast board. Even if the bump limit were just 300 it would still take weeks for some of our more active threads to hit bump limit, let alone slide. Making a new thread every month for a topic you care about isn't that much to ask imo.
Is it though? I woudn't say posting quality has really improved at all since we made the bump limits this long.
I think I liked it better before.
I think I like how it is now,
Actually curious how the extended bumps contribute to your experence.
Okay, but what's good about it?
For one, they prevent the few pseudo-enerals we do have from having to post dozens of 'old bread past bump, new edition', which also avoids wanton 'same images from last thread' posts.
So, are we ever going to do anything about the fact that threads on /vx/ don't slide?
Bump limits exist for a reason, and extending them I feel has contributed to a detrimental departure from the flow of fresh ideas that make chan-like boards attractive in the first place. 300 would be enough, 500 would be a lot. We're a slow board; we shouldn't need absurdly high bump limits.
Bump limit set to 2,147,483,647
Whats the catalog page limit set to?>2 billion bumps of flat earth nonsense
Gee, surely that wont be exploited ever
Can we please actually fix this?>>7227
It's not about exploitation. It's about board quality.
Clearly to satisfy the overwhelming cries of "/vx/ is too smol"
Let this be a lesson to any remaining oldfags. All that remains of Mlpol is a skinsuit, worn by staff to exercise tjeir degenerate fantasies.
Dude, can you stick to the topic? This is counterproductive.>>7231
A serious response would be appreciated.
Pooper said the archive for this board didn't worked properly, so they had to come up with a way to preserve old threads for the time being.
He can probably fix it in a couple days at most.Meant /vx/ Btw
The reason historically /vx/ didn't have an Archive was because when the site was using vichan/NPFChan there was no Archive, and threads that slided off the catalog were gone and lost forever. So the high bump limit and catalog size was kept to keep the board canon to its older self when we moved to new codebase.
>>7240>to keep the board canon to its older self
So...you mean it's actually a technical issue, right?
There is no techical limitation that prevents us from changing the bump limit, catalog size etc. in the board config. But many RP treads on /vx/ enjoys and benefits from a high bump limit and changing it would alter the style of the board that it have had since its creation.
I know that, but that was also kind of a long time ago. Are there any plans to fix it?>>7242
It wouldn't be a major issue if the threads at the bottom of the catalog slide.>See, I asked for this back in the day, and I am now recanting that request. Truth is it doesn't actually help roleplay go more smoothly.
That decision was also made when 80-90% of the posts on /mlpol/ were in roleplay threads on /vx/. It's not like that anymore, and I don't think it would be that much trouble to ask roleplayers to make new threads every 500 posts instead of every 1000-2000 posts. I've roleplayed on /vx/ long enough to know that it takes no mental effort to transfer roleplay from one old thread to a fresh one.>would alter the style of the board that it have had since its creation
I really don't think it would significantly change, but that's just my opinion.
Fucked up the greentext on that, but whatever