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Bump Limits
Anonymous
No.5974
5981 5987
Has anyone else had the feeling like the bump limits on this site are too high? They're much higher than those of other sites like /pol/ and /mlp/. On /mlpol/ threads stay up for years at a time, and I feel like it's broken the spirit of our old "no generals" policy. Maybe it would be healthier for discussion to have lower bump limits and simply have Anons make new threads when old ones hit their limit, to prevent stagnation.
I think they've been extended twice before since the start of this site on request by some Anons who were in certain long-standing threads, but i feel like that might have been detrimental in the long term.
Anonymous
No.5975
5976
When Catalog View is an option who cares what's on the first page?
Anonymous
No.5976
5977
>>5975
It's not really an issue of what's on the first page, but threads just staying up for too long and basically becoming generals.
Anonymous
No.5977
5978
>>5976
If threads had smaller bump limits would that really encourage new discussions, or new weekly general threads with links to last week's generals?
Anonymous
No.5978
5979
>>5977
I think it would encourage fresh discussion, with Anons replying to posts made the same week, rather than 7 months to two years ago.
Really just food for thought. It is worth noting that the bump limits are abnormally high on this sight compared to various other chans. I wonder if that's actually been good for us or not.
Anonymous
No.5979
5980
>>5978
Intellectual discussions take longer to finish.
I bet if a "Is Fallout Equestria shit?" thread was started on /mlp/ it wouldn't go anywhere interesting. A few fanboys might argue with people who abandoned the fic 1-10 chapters in. Someone might say "Read until they get on the train then stop". Would anyone take the time to analyze it chapter by chapter, page by page, paragraph by paragraph for its literary value, flaws, and missed opportunities?
Anonymous
No.5980
>>5979
How long something takes to finish and how many posts a single thread needs to have are a different thing. Posters could always make new threads.
Anonymous
No.5981
5982
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>>5974
Long threads staying up for years is also good, specially generals as they function like a vault for content. For example the book and music threads.
Anonymous
No.5982
5983
>>5981
Couldn't the threads just be remade when they hit bump limit though?
Bump limits exist for a reason. Refreshing at a healthy rare is part of what make a chansite functional. It also makes it so that undesirable threads slide as new threads are made and people stop recreating the old.
Anonymous
No.5983
5984
>>5982
Imagine if the bump limit was too small. How many discussions would be rehashed in the weekly thread for each unfinished discussion and unresolved argument?
An overly small bump limit would be harmful but an overly large bump limit would barely be noticed. How many threads actually last long enough to hit bump limit and require links to previous thereads?
Anonymous
No.5984
5985
>>5983
I'm not saying the bump limit should be tiny. Just that it might be a little too big right now. It's not like having bump limits too small were the root causes of dysfunction on /mlp/ or /pol/.
Also, what's wrong with links to previous threads? It's easier than sifting through threads thousands of posts long.
Anonymous
No.5985
5986
>>5984
You don't view threads on "last 50 posts" mode so they load faster?
Anonymous
No.5986
>>5985
What about threads 600-800 posts ago? Can you always remember how far back they were?
Anonymous
No.5987
5988
>>5974
If it is not broken, don't fix it.
Anonymous
No.5988
5989
>>5987
I think it might be, tbh.
Was it broken before we extended it this far?
Anonymous
No.5989
5990
>>5988
It worked fine. If anything's preventing the creation of new threads, it's the fear of being told your thread idea sucks balls.
Anonymous
No.5990
5991 5992
>>5989
Yeah, it did work fine then, so perhaps extending it was unecessary.
Anonymous
No.5991
>>5990
Making new threads for unfinished topics is mildly inconvenient. A higher bump count means less of that inconvenience.
Anonymous
No.5992
5993
>>5990
>so perhaps extending it was unecessary.
And making them shorter now might be also unnecessary.
Anonymous
No.5993
5995
>>5992
It could be worth a try.
Anonymous
No.5995
5996
>>5993
Using the same argument:
It could be worth to keep them as they are.
Anonymous
No.5996
5997 6207
>>5995
I feel like the situation could improve if the bump limit were lowered.
Anonymous
No.5997
>>5996
>I feel
I think that the way it is right now is just fine.
Anonymous
No.6207
6208
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>>5996
I understand the sentiment, however, the solution, I don't think, is to impose technological restrictions to achieve these ends, those ends being more satisfyingly achieved alongside a bit more of a gracious disposition when it comes to posting new threads that have been at a minimum competently constructed. Most of the time when I start new threads I take a viewpoint agnostic approach and say little, which usually avoids flak, and then for the first post after OP I can kick it off with what I think about the issue at hand to start the discussion. However, I will say that posting a half-baked idea and looking for feedback can result in petty namecalling that at best gets us nowhere, and more often than not DOSes threads, and likewise and more importantly the minds of otherwise well-to-do poners from actually thinking about what's being proposed or asked about, how good or bad of an idea it is notwithstanding, and I see it (at least the current frequency of the utterance of "faggot," among other insults) as a relic of the early days of 4chan that I'd rather leave behind, see pic related for exhibit A. Agree with someponer or don't, just please be cool and polite about it.
Anonymous
No.6208
6209
>>6207
I wouldn't really call it a "technological restriction", tbh. /mlpol/ has very, very high bump limits, even for an altchan. We didn't always have bump limits this high, and it's questionable if our site's quality really improved at all after we raised it again and again.
Anonymous
No.6209
6210
>>6208
>I wouldn't really call it a "technological restriction", tbh. /mlpol/ has very, very high bump limits, even for an altchan.
Whatever it may be, I would still maintain that the perceived problem is something that could more easily and robustly be solved by a paradigmatic and cultural shift. Some threads indeed have gone well into hundreds of posts, not being of a general nature, and yet more have been bumped off the catalog before they've reached a single hundred.

The perceived problem we appear to be attempting to solve here is that there are too many posts in general-type threads, without those posts being distributed to other threads, thereby providing an opportunity to raise the overall quality of the site. If I am correct in that assumption, a good solution might be for poners to create more threads instead of post in the threads reaching the bump limit. We really only seem to differ on how to go about encouraging that type of behavior; would it be too much of a stretch to claim that, should more poners create more threads more quickly on their own, perceived stagnation of threads and topics might be avoided, and indeed that could end up facilitating discussion more than a hard cap could provide?
Put another way, if I have the option of having 16 gigs of RAM, as opposed to 8, but I usually didn't go anywhere near filling 8 gigs anyway, myself I would still choose to have 16 gigs. Just because sometimes I could stand to use it, if absolutely necessary, since I would rather do what I needed to on one computer, rather than starting up another to finish up the job.
Anonymous
No.6210
6212 6214
>>6209
I think extending the bump limits to this point has been a failed experiment. Increasing the bump limits hasn't done anything but create scenarios where Anons reply to OP's posted years ago. It was better when the bump limits were smaller.
Anonymous
No.6212
6213
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>>6210
>I think extending the bump limits to this point has been a failed experiment.
Absurd.
>Increasing the bump limits hasn't done anything but create scenarios where Anons reply to OP's posted years ago.
So what? If an anon has something to add, so be it. A 2 years old post doesn't change the written ideas.
If the thread is still in the catalog, to answer to it is pretty valid.
On the other hand, if a thread is still in the catalog after 2 years, it is because of a lack of new ones.
Anonymous
No.6213
6215
>>6212
What did we gain from extending the bump limits this far?
Anonymous
No.6214
>>6210
Fair enough. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Anonymous
No.6215
6216
>>6213
>What did we gain
What did we lost?
Anonymous
No.6216
6218
>>6215
We lost the feeling of having normal sized threads on our board.
What was the benefit though? Why did we do it in the first place.
Anonymous
No.6218
6219
>>6216
>We lost the feeling
>feeling
It's an opinion founded on a subjective wimp.
Anonymous
No.6219
>>6218
Do you not notice the difference?
Anonymous
No.6221
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