This thread is meant to debunk the deranged idea that our realm is a planet floating in space.
If the so called established science can't be challenged, then it's not science, but religion.
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>>170217>It has almost complete coverage over all the world's oceans.Go below the Ecuator parallel and see how it works, the further you sail to the south, the less functional is.
>>170218They were it to track ships having to go around the horn of Africa in real time during that Suez canal fiasco. It works perfectly fine down south.
Where are you getting this?
>>170219>Where are you getting this?First hand experience sailing the Cabo the Hornos, where the world ends before reaching Antartica. This have been described by me like a thousand posts above.
>>170221You tried using Starlink there? What year was this?
>>170222>What year was this?I won't dox myself neither my boat. Sorry.
>>170223Well, if it was more than three years, that's not really relevant, because most Starlink satellites have gone up very recently.
>dox yourself>implying a boat among tens thousands sailing on a particular year is doxxable >>170224>because most Starlink satellites have gone up very recently.Yeah, but satellital service is way before Musk's hoax.
>>170224>implying a boat among tens thousands sailing on a particular year is doxxableThe Cabo the Hornos is a veeeeeeeeeery special route where no many adventure into. Just yandex it.
>>170225General satellite service isn't Starlink internet. Starlink has proven to be reliable all over the ocean, so sailors can shitpost from anywhere on the seas.
And as I said before, the number of satellites has doubled in the past few years.
>>170225>hoaxConsidering how lucrative and influential satellite internet is proving to be, it wouldn't even matter if it were made of a bunch of balloons or dangling on strings glued to Ymir's skull. Whatever it's made of, Starlink is an incredibly promising technology.
>>170228>Starlink is an incredibly promising technology.I would say a balloon technology rebranded as satellital.
>>170229>picsThese aren't Starlink terminals though?
Pic 1 is from a test flight for a silly sunlight-blocking technology to fight climate change in Sweden. It was cancelled due to being stupid
Pic 2-3 are pics of NASA's launch of the Compton Spectrometer.
None of this has anything to do with Starlink.
>>170230>None of this has anything to do with Starlink.Of course not. You really expect Mr Musk to show us commercial secrets? But the balloon technique stands.
>>170231>But the balloon technique standsBased on what?
We could've had satellite Internet a lot earlier if balloons were reliable satellites.
Starlink took off when spaceX developed a method to recover rockets so that the equipment for putting satellites in orbit wasn't only disposable.
>>170233>We could've had satellite Internet a lot earlier if balloons were reliable satellites.Exactly, balloons are so effective as the wind currents that take them away, that's the reason why a continuous launching rate of balloons are necessary to fake satellites and keep an apparently stable communication link.
>>170235Except balloons also deflate over time at a rate that makes them unreliable for permanent infrastructure.
>continuous launching rate of balloons are necessary to fake satellites and keep an apparently stable communication linkOh, hahaha, just continuously keep launching $250,000 satellites that fall into the sea when their balloons pop. That's totally a sustainable business model.
>>170236>$250,000 satellites that fall into the sea when their balloons pop. That's totally a sustainable business model.Dude, even Amazon was not a sustainable model for years and I'm not sure is getting even today. All these private enterprises would never survive a year without government contracts and assistance. You see, while claiming to be a companies in a free market environment, reality is that they survive because government centralized communism.
>>170235>>170236It would cost $15,000,000,000 per day to continuously replace all Starlink satellites without communications loss, and that's just considering the manufacturing, not the salaries of the technicians or the cost of launching balloons.
>>170237You seriously think Elon is spending more than fifteen billion dollars per day to continuously replace over five thousand satellites on weather balloons that cost two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and only last for two hours each?
>>170238>You seriously think Elon is spending more than fifteen billion dollars per day to continuously replace over five thousand satellites>5,000 satellitesYou seriously think Elon is telling you the truth? KEK
>>170239Okay, tell me what it would cost then.
>>170240No idea and it actually is not important because is the same case than Google. The government is interested in keeping functioning at any cost, if it makes profit is good, and if not injections of capital will keep it afloat.
>>170239How would Starlink possibly work if there weren't that many satellites? You think this is possible with only a few satellites? This is a fuckload of data we're talking about.
>>170242>This is a fuckload of data we're talking about.It is not. 97% of all internet traffic goes through submarine cables and the rest is distributed between land fiber optics and airborne relays.
>>170243Except all of that has to be accessible through the satellite if Starlink is supposed to be useful for anything, so it does indeed have to go through the satellite.
The only reason Starlink works is because there's so many of them, and there's that many of them because SpaceX recovers the rockets for reuse.
>>170245Weather balloons only last two hours.
To have continuous connection, you'd have to replace each of them 12 times a day.
>>170246>Weather balloons only last two hours.Non-sense. Think about many days.
For those in the known.
>The current solar cycle is, indeed, a circle. Because the sun revolves in a circle, that is also the shape of the ice wall that exists at our boundaries.
>The firmament barrier may be much larger than this, though, according to the 'moon map' - the image of the Earth we see projected on the moon.
>On the moon map, we see many other, HUGE pieces of land - and resources - outside our solar cycle, and the ice wall.
>>170372I've heard of Dark Continent theory. It's basically the Flat Earther's equivalent to Hollow Earth theory: it would be really amazing if it were true, but there's little evidence for it (even in context of Flat Earth cosmology). The concept of a terrestrial hidden world outside the known boundaries of our own with it's own lands and resources and unexplored frontiers is a cool idea, although not much supporting it.
I've seen Dark Continent theory in referenced in a lot of fantasy world-building. One example would be the Magi manga (although it has a spherical earth, it's still the same concept). It's a fun trope, for the reasons above. I would recommend it for fantasy world-builders interested in making a final frontier who's existence tells a story about the meaning of the world's creation, being in close proximity to the great rift of creation, perhaps even the path to an ancient, dead world from eons before this land was formed, or an inverted world unlike our own, perhaps even the realm of the dead, or the home of our ancestors.
The trope is, in many ways, like an inversion of hyperborean hollow earth theory. Where Hyperborea depicts a paradise in the north, and a world within a world, Dark Continent theory depicts a dark and loathsome wasteland which encompasses our own, a world outside our world.
In my own fantasy pony worldbuilding, I considered the idea of the Dark Continent being the icy frontier of the world being a rugged and untamable place, where providence withers, reality breaks down, and the wendigos rule the frigid edges of disharmony. I based it on the warning sign in The Witcher III: "You've reached the edge of the world! Only devils roam here! Turn back!". I love the trope of the edges of reality being dark and sinister places inhabited by nameless horrors, but still worlds in and of themselves.
Where did you quote that greentext from? I would like to read more about this supposed "moon map". All I find is maps of the cartography of the moon itself. I know the moon is reflective, but I didn't think it was reflective enough to reflect a mirror-like image of earth.
>>170372This picture appears to be from a book. What's it from?
>>170373Okay, I did some research on the "moon map" thing. It's the suggestion that the moon is actually a map/reflection/projection of the earth.
Overall, I have to say, I disagree. Not only do the craters of the moon not really match the geography of the earth (although they could look vaguely similar if you squint), the moon's craters are also observable in greater detail with medieval-era telescopes, and while observing the moon shows that it indeed does have mountains, pits, and valleys, they don't really match up with the geography of the world.
To kill time, I decided to check out if anyone decided to map out the moon's craters in detail and compare them to the earth, but all I found was vague outlines drawn with an excess of wishful thinking.
Cool idea, but it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.
>>170375>Cool idea, but it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.At less... you try to match the map with the undersea geology, then suddenly it makes sense.
>>170373>Dark Continent theory depicts a dark and loathsome wasteland which encompasses our ownDid you know that there is some myths about sunny warm lands beyond the frozen wasteland? If so, it may be that there is at least other sun circling the dome in a wider ring.
>>170373>The trope is, in many ways, like an inversion of hyperborean hollow earth theory. Where Hyperborea depicts a paradise in the northA reminder that the north is also guarded by men with weapons and no one is allowed to travel there.
>>170376Nah, I considered that. There doesn't seem to be any exact match with abovesea geography.
>there is some myths about sunny warm lands beyond the frozen wasteland?Of course I know. I just referenced Hyperborea.
>no one is allowedThat's not really true at all. People go there all of the time. You can schedule holiday trips there. Multiple shipping routes go there too.
>>170379>Nah, I considered that. There doesn't seem to be any exact match with abovesea geography.Hang on. I saw a good presentation but long and geometrically convoluted, but kinda a geographical match nevertheless.
Our constellations have never changed, and our Earth clock has never changed.
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>>148621>>170385>Our constellations have never changedOur constellations have demonstrably changed, since Ancient Egypt.
>If everything was moving we'd see different things in the skyWe've had this exact conversation before. It was explained. Scroll up.
Why are you posting redundant arguments? Why are you repeating yourself? Did you just forget?
>>165136Somewhere around here. You've brought this up before. Everypony remembers.
>>170387>You've brought this up before. Everypony remembers.Yeah, and yet you still insist in your misinterpretation because you have no clue what you are talking about. If your ball is flipping around in a allegedly universe, then is impossible to have any periodicity in stars' position.
>>170388>then is impossible to have any periodicity in stars' positionHow is that impossible?
And again, you're just repeating yourself, with the same arguments you've already made in this thread, like a broken record.
>>170389>And again, you're just repeating yourself, with the same arguments you've already made in this thread, like a broken recordNo U.
I have a better idea, instead of talking about something you know nothing about, why you don't plot the earth trajectory in a heliocentric setting and then find out where the stars are?
>>170388>is impossible to have any periodicity in stars' positionUntrue. The stars have consistent positions because in the grand scheme of things we're not actually getting very much closer to any of them. The universe is so enormously vast that the amount the earth has moved in the history of humanity has made very little difference in terms of positions of the nearest stars.
>>170391>why you don't plot the earth trajectory in a heliocentric setting and then find out where the stars are?Pic related
There is an entire field of science devoted to tracking the position of the earth relative to the nearest celestial bodies.
>>170392Oooooh. I'm impressed, you brought stuff.
>>170392>The stars have consistent positions because in the grand scheme of things we're not actually getting very much closer to any of them.Correct. This realm is fixed.
>>170391>earth trajectory in a heliocentric settingAre you asking for the trajectory of the Earth's or it around the sun, or the trajectory of the sun itself (and thus also the moon) around the center of the milky way?
>>170395>This realm is fixedIf by that you mean the universe is only so big, then sure.
>>170388We literally refuted that argument 2 years ago.
>>170396Well, there are a lot simultaneous translations for a ball in a vacuum. Self spinning, relative to the sun, relative the cosmos. Then you may consider all of them.
>>170400Me, and the 3-4 other guys who answered your point about Polaris.
>>170402I didn't know so many globers were pounding this thread.
>>170403Most of them got bored and left.
>pounding this threaIf you make a thread and bump it periodically, people are going to respond.
>>170404>Most of them got bored and left.Not bad, not bad. Frustration is not easy to tolerate.
heliocentrism is bullshit anons, theres no more reason to keep defending the imaginations of freemasons
>>170432The world revolves around Tia's giant ass: this is the true nature of heliocentrism. The earth (round) revolves around our sun, and the sun (projection of Celestia's holy plot) rises above Equestria (flat) when Tia claps her cheeks in the morning. Masons created both flat-earthers and general astrology to distract us from from the TRUTH about the cosmos, that Equestria is right beside us on the other side of the sun.
Embrace two-cheek theory.
>>170435thats cute but we all know the earth doesnt move
>>170379>Nah, I considered that. There doesn't seem to be any exact match with abovesea geography.>>170380>Hang on. I saw a good presentation but long and geometrically convoluted, but kinda a geographical match nevertheless.I was looking for the formal long presentation/lecture showing and explaining the moon/earth matches but I'm unable to find it for the time being. However I found the closest video on the subject, it has not the rigorous scientific content of the first one but it is close enough. This takes the moon map to a new level.
>Selenetical Physics Vol. 1: An Exercise in Visual Pattern Recognitionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtM97zuMrfEand
>Selenetical Physics Vol. 2: Reflections on the Electric Field>Intro to the electric circuit of the moon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL1bQS3kdk0 >>170466Equestria doesn't move. The earth does.
>>170530>satireWell, some globetard photoshopped Manhattan to make it look on a ball.
>>170146>>170149>>170182>>170195>>170200>solar eclipseI doubt you globers will ever entertain the idea of a Black Sun.
All proofs that Earth is a spinning ball rely on un-testable claims.
>>170537This says "X is contrary" a lot, but doesn't provide any reasons why/how, or even examples.
>>170538>but doesn't provide any reasons why/how, or even examplesIt is meme. What you want is contained in tons of videos from multiple creators. I suggest you may begin with Eric Dubay's ones.
>>170537>>170539>A list>A memeOkay haha clown world. This isn't something like
E. It's not deep fried. It's not quadruple ironic.
Just a list. Anyone can make a list.
Normies can make a fucking list. They do it too!
What changes some bullshit into a meme is quite simple.
I'd share it but I have a hunch I've shared it before.
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It's in the name
If you're in you're in
Consider the humble meme farmer.
>Pastor Greg Locke - Flat Earth melt down # 3 - Debate Dec 2nd Nashville TNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T84zZs5nzcThis has got enormous entertainment value. The protestant self-righteous preacher, with guitars included in his church, suffers a nervous breakdown on The Bible passages describing this realm as being a plane.
>>170539>It is memeA bad meme. Contributes nothing to the conversation.
>>170544>A bad memeAn excellent one. It points straight to incongruencies in the heliocentric model.
>>170545A good meme would be an infographic. This is just an list of unsupported opinions.
>>170547It just says "evidence is contrary" on multiple points, but doesn't even bother to say how, summarize it, or even direct the reader to a "true" source where they could find it themselves.
>>170548It has been already answered at
>>170539The Truth is Out There.
>>170541>>170545Okay Mr List a meme.
You keep thinking it's the bees knees, and don't wonder at all why many think your choice in memes is extremely poor.
I'm sure every single person in the world agrees with your statement and if they don't they're obviously not you.
>>170551A bit negative. Aren't you?
>>170552Instead of focusing on his negativity, maybe think of why everyone else on this board is so tired of you.
>>170554>sagging againMaybe you could attend your own threads instead of getting obsessed with others' would bring you inner peace.
>>170556>attend your own threadsIt's not about the thread. It's about you. The way you behave, not only in this thread, but in all of the others, including ones that I made, both recently and less recently. You dump low-quality garbage and facebook-tier memes all over this board before derailing them with barely-related tangents.
Everypony is sick of you.
>>170558>It's about you.Ah, it is personal so.
I'm afraid that I might not conform to your specs as you desire. Independent minds rarely do so, and it is natural that conformists like you lose their minds. Sorry, not much can be done about it. You may have to learn to deal with different opinions and approaches as life is not designed to cater your taste.
>170560
>different opinions
>I might not conform to your specs
>conformists like you
He really doesn't get it...
>>170582I did the work of digging up the links, in case anybody cares to know more context than a single meme provides:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2022/08/03/do-we-need-the-first-ever-drop-second-a-new-wobble-by-earth-caused-the-shortest-day-since-records-began-say-scientists/amp/https://www.independent.co.uk/space/earth-spinning-slower-day-length-b2140840.htmlFor the record, although the two headlines are conflicting, they're actually talking about the same phenomenon: the gradual deceleration of the Earth's rotation, and fluctuations thereof ala the Chandler Wobble (caused, of course, by Chris Chan's attempt to psionically bring about The Merge early from jail last year). Both articles are consistent with one another, probably prompted by the same news; it's just one is focused on the Chandler Wobble that offsets the general trend, and the other is focused on the gradual slowdown with the exceptional fluctuations caused by the wobble.
OP of course didn't bother to check the articles and instead just reposted a crappy meme that his Facebook algorithm recommended him with highlighted text as if that somehow alone proves that the earth is flat.
>>170583>as if that somehow alone proves that the earth is flat.Actually the lack of curvature demonstrates definitively that we are not living on a ball.
Neither you nor the fake scientists can beat that.
>>170583>I did the work of digging up the linksImagine a faget so obsessed with insisting he was not deceived instead of accepting the overwhelming evidence that this realm is flat.
>>170587What that to do with providing links?
>overwhelming evidence that this realm is flatLol, lmao even
>>170585>lack of curvature demonstrates definitively that we are not living on a ballWe've been showing you evidence of curvature from dozens of separate sources for more than two years now. You just refuse to acknowledge them because they contradict your worldview, or you call them fake without arguing for it. We've also refuted your claims to the contrary with eloquent and well-backed arguments, to which you just shit all over the board or pretend like you won by dumping your smug reaction image folder, and then go on to ignore the arguments themselves without addressing them because you know you can't. Then you wait a few weeks/months and post (redundant) memes parroting the same exact arguments that we refuted earlier in the thread, conveniently forgetting the prior argument which you failed to answer to.
Every couple weeks it's the same shit. You make an statement based on a shaky claim, you fail to refute the opposing argument, and then you forget it like it never happened and post the same thing again (as if we couldn't just scroll up to see it).
>>170591Those circular maps are used in wars because they're more accurate for the northern hemisphere.
We know Hitler didn't believe the earth was flat, because he instead entertained the hypothesis that it could be hollow, and sent scouts to the North Pole to investigate the to hyperborea.
>>170592>because he instead entertained the hypothesis that it could be hollowI'm not aware of der Führer sending expeditions because of that.
But according to some, that idea makes sense indeed as the Black Sun is below.
>>170592Isn't the North Pole basically just water? Besides, you don't know he was looking for hyperborea. He probably just wanted to meet Santa Claus.
>>170603>hurr durr monologueYou are like a baby. You failed to come up with a coherent response, so you once again resort to red herrings.
>>170604I - i'm sorry, but the anon you are answering to, it is not me.