Set six years after season 6, Occupied Equestria presents an alternative history where Chrysalis chose a different approach to her second attack on Equestria. The Changelings have conquered half of Equestria, while a former Equestrian colony - soured to Princess Twilight's notion of harmony with all creatures thank to their dealing with griffins - Invaded and took the other half. In Baltimare and the Equestrian Southeast, the magic of friendship has weakened, as Communists, Changeling infiltrators, Fascists, gangs, and corrupt creepy politicians threaten the city. This role play is based in large part upon the Equestria at War mod for Hearts of Iron 4, and uses D&d 3.5e mechanics.
Silver is learning about foreign pony cultures, Dark Star is preparing to put on a play for the children of the Saint Prancis Orphanage, Onyx has received several possible missions from the government, Brie is buying clothing, presumably for a long journey. Ash and Iron are leaving the office of a now enraged gangster... or not.
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>>91407
Entering through the main entrance leads into a grand hall, with ticket booth over to the right, and over towards platforms on the left, with a large open area with high ceiling and tan marble floors in the center. Bathrooms are further towards the end and to the right
Kerr: "Wir müssen?"
Wesley: "Wuzo?"
Entering through the main entrance leads into a grand hall, with ticket booth over to the right, and over towards platforms on the left, with a large open area with high ceiling and tan marble floors in the center. Bathrooms are further towards the end and to the right
Kerr: "Wir müssen?"
Wesley: "Wuzo?"
>>91408
Brie looks at Wesley uncomprehendingly, then addresses Kerr. "Zur Zeit. Sie helfen uns, Tickets zu bekommen und in den Zug zu steigen, und sie schützen Sie, wenn wir in Schwierigkeiten geraten. Außerdem sehen Sie noch entzückender aus, und es kann bei der Suche nach Nahrung helfen." he says in a whisper, leading them toward the bathrooms, then loudly "Come along colts, we'll want to change before we buy our tickets."
Brie looks at Wesley uncomprehendingly, then addresses Kerr. "Zur Zeit. Sie helfen uns, Tickets zu bekommen und in den Zug zu steigen, und sie schützen Sie, wenn wir in Schwierigkeiten geraten. Außerdem sehen Sie noch entzückender aus, und es kann bei der Suche nach Nahrung helfen." he says in a whisper, leading them toward the bathrooms, then loudly "Come along colts, we'll want to change before we buy our tickets."
>>91394
You know what's funny? I actually didn't see your post where you casted the spell, so I was genuinely confused when he called Ash a witch.
You know what's funny? I actually didn't see your post where you casted the spell, so I was genuinely confused when he called Ash a witch.
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Is anypony here?
Corrected statement:
"Zum Bienenstock möchte ich ihre Hilfe, um Comte und seine Verbündeten zu bekommen"
Also, don't think I'm here yet
"Zum Bienenstock möchte ich ihre Hilfe, um Comte und seine Verbündeten zu bekommen"
Also, don't think I'm here yet
Does anypony have a good source to read about the Equestria at War mod? I'm having trouble finding details on the other Changeling queens.
>>91423
Like, how many Queens were there supposed to be? I read here earlier that there were supposed to be several of them in he united region, but I can't find anything about them.
Like, how many Queens were there supposed to be? I read here earlier that there were supposed to be several of them in he united region, but I can't find anything about them.
>>91423
The Wiki and the wiki alone. Aside from Chrysalis, there are only two Changeling queens: Queen Gytha is the Harmonist leader of Greneclyf, and Queen Oiren is the Fascist leader of Greneclyf. Note that the mod styles these as leaders of “clans” rather than gives, I guess as an adaptation of the Irish culture Greneclyf represents
>>91425
There is no information on any other queens in the Changeling Lands
The Wiki and the wiki alone. Aside from Chrysalis, there are only two Changeling queens: Queen Gytha is the Harmonist leader of Greneclyf, and Queen Oiren is the Fascist leader of Greneclyf. Note that the mod styles these as leaders of “clans” rather than gives, I guess as an adaptation of the Irish culture Greneclyf represents
>>91425
There is no information on any other queens in the Changeling Lands
>>91426
>Queen Gytha is the Harmonist leader of Greneclyf, and Queen Oiren is the Fascist leader of Greneclyf.
Hmmmmm. That's helpful. I think stuff should have been written about their personalities somewhere.
>clans
Are the queens necessarily the proginators of their respective clans? Like Bees?
>Queen Gytha is the Harmonist leader of Greneclyf, and Queen Oiren is the Fascist leader of Greneclyf.
Hmmmmm. That's helpful. I think stuff should have been written about their personalities somewhere.
>clans
Are the queens necessarily the proginators of their respective clans? Like Bees?
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>>91424
No. The Wikis are good for game stats, but i'm concerned with backstory, particularly the points where they differ from FiM setting.
The biggest concerning factor to the story is the presence of other queens besides Chrysalis, because that makes ending the war a lot more complicated.
I guess History Knowledge isn't a class skill for my character though.. so I guess it's a bit too meta to try to read into it too far…
Knowing some names would be a bit helpful though. I keep mentally approaching the world like it's FiM, but it seems to have meticulously deep background in some areas.
>>91424
No. The Wikis are good for game stats, but i'm concerned with backstory, particularly the points where they differ from FiM setting.
The biggest concerning factor to the story is the presence of other queens besides Chrysalis, because that makes ending the war a lot more complicated.
I guess History Knowledge isn't a class skill for my character though.. so I guess it's a bit too meta to try to read into it too far…
Knowing some names would be a bit helpful though. I keep mentally approaching the world like it's FiM, but it seems to have meticulously deep background in some areas.
>>91426
Which one was the one that is the leader of the Ling's hive? I know Silver told me, but I don't want to have to go digging through several multi-thousand post threads to find it.
Which one was the one that is the leader of the Ling's hive? I know Silver told me, but I don't want to have to go digging through several multi-thousand post threads to find it.
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>>91427
It’s really a question of how seriously you want to take the Changeling race. Changelings have three defining characteristics:
1. Parasitic/Succibi
2. Shapeshifters
3. Bee-like
All of these traits, I think, make them an interesting Always-Chaotic-Evil antagonistic race, but make them harder to normalize and make comparable to the other races. The show itself completely abandoned the parasitic nature of Changelings because that factor by itself is sufficient to make them dangerous and eternally anatagonistic. Any fan fic that tries to have good changelings can be guaranteed to downplay the parasitic aspect. Their nature as shapeshifters also varies. I think that having the ability to shapeshifters runs counter to the bee-like aspects. If you can disguise yourself as the enemy, and even walk right past them, why would you even bother to swarm undisguised? A Canterlot Wedding, interestingly, had a swarm of literal hundreds where every single Changeling took a disguise as one of the mane six. Other materials have tended to have changelings forgo the disguise in favor of just attacking en masse, like the later comics. Alternatively, they exclusively use the disguises to infiltrate, like in “To Where and Back Again,” and in the first comics. The show doesn’t seem to have any real limits on Changeling shape shifting: they can be rocks and they can be giant monsters. That seems kind of OP to me. Compare this to the Scootertrix Abridged, where changelings are restricted to taking the shapes of creatures of about the same size - which helps identifying one of them. The show entirely glosses over the fact that Changeling shapeshifting would allow them to basically get away with any crime, which ought to be a serious impediment to every trusting changelings in society even if they are not parasites.
How Bee-like the changelings are also varies. Generally, the more bee-like they are, the more “evil” they are, and vice versa, probably because being insect-like is alien, and the more difficult it is to sympathize with, the easier it is to place them in the Always-Chaotic-Evil role they fit so well. Some fan fics depict the changelings are basically the Borg with perfect specialization or conformity. In the show, we see that changelings hatch from eggs like insects, and there is a scene where we see a dozen of them crawling on (and in, since they go through her leg holes) queen Chrysalis, which is the closest thing we get to a confirmation that she is the literal biological mother of the changelings. But the season 8 Hearthwarming episode shows what is unambiguously intended to be a nuclear family, probably to make them seem less evil. Then there is the question of how much of a “hivemind” they are, which I will be honest and say I do not understand what that term is even supposed to mean, except that I think it means that individual creatures are linked telepathically and share a single consciousness. Before the Changeling transformation, all changelings share basically a single model. Afterwards, they vary in a number of particulars. I don’t think a single female model besides Chrysalis is seen prior to the transformation. In bees, all fertilized eggs result in a female bee, and all un-fertilized eggs result in male drones. If Changekings are like bees in regard, that would imply that the changelings are born of a virgin queen.
>>91431
Lacinia
It’s really a question of how seriously you want to take the Changeling race. Changelings have three defining characteristics:
1. Parasitic/Succibi
2. Shapeshifters
3. Bee-like
All of these traits, I think, make them an interesting Always-Chaotic-Evil antagonistic race, but make them harder to normalize and make comparable to the other races. The show itself completely abandoned the parasitic nature of Changelings because that factor by itself is sufficient to make them dangerous and eternally anatagonistic. Any fan fic that tries to have good changelings can be guaranteed to downplay the parasitic aspect. Their nature as shapeshifters also varies. I think that having the ability to shapeshifters runs counter to the bee-like aspects. If you can disguise yourself as the enemy, and even walk right past them, why would you even bother to swarm undisguised? A Canterlot Wedding, interestingly, had a swarm of literal hundreds where every single Changeling took a disguise as one of the mane six. Other materials have tended to have changelings forgo the disguise in favor of just attacking en masse, like the later comics. Alternatively, they exclusively use the disguises to infiltrate, like in “To Where and Back Again,” and in the first comics. The show doesn’t seem to have any real limits on Changeling shape shifting: they can be rocks and they can be giant monsters. That seems kind of OP to me. Compare this to the Scootertrix Abridged, where changelings are restricted to taking the shapes of creatures of about the same size - which helps identifying one of them. The show entirely glosses over the fact that Changeling shapeshifting would allow them to basically get away with any crime, which ought to be a serious impediment to every trusting changelings in society even if they are not parasites.
How Bee-like the changelings are also varies. Generally, the more bee-like they are, the more “evil” they are, and vice versa, probably because being insect-like is alien, and the more difficult it is to sympathize with, the easier it is to place them in the Always-Chaotic-Evil role they fit so well. Some fan fics depict the changelings are basically the Borg with perfect specialization or conformity. In the show, we see that changelings hatch from eggs like insects, and there is a scene where we see a dozen of them crawling on (and in, since they go through her leg holes) queen Chrysalis, which is the closest thing we get to a confirmation that she is the literal biological mother of the changelings. But the season 8 Hearthwarming episode shows what is unambiguously intended to be a nuclear family, probably to make them seem less evil. Then there is the question of how much of a “hivemind” they are, which I will be honest and say I do not understand what that term is even supposed to mean, except that I think it means that individual creatures are linked telepathically and share a single consciousness. Before the Changeling transformation, all changelings share basically a single model. Afterwards, they vary in a number of particulars. I don’t think a single female model besides Chrysalis is seen prior to the transformation. In bees, all fertilized eggs result in a female bee, and all un-fertilized eggs result in male drones. If Changekings are like bees in regard, that would imply that the changelings are born of a virgin queen.
>>91431
Lacinia
>>91420
Kerr: “Gehst du den ganzen Weg in die Länder des Wechselbalgs?”
Wesley: “Wie trägst du diese Kleider?”
Kerr: “Gehst du den ganzen Weg in die Länder des Wechselbalgs?”
Wesley: “Wie trägst du diese Kleider?”
>>91434
to Kerr: "Ja, das ist die Idee. Wie heißen die Länder Ihrer Königin? Lacinia, IIRC"
to Wesley: "Lass mich dir das zeigen"
Assuming they're in the bathroom now, Brie begins by showing them how to put on clothes, exaggerating the process and describing what he is doing as he does so.
to Kerr: "Ja, das ist die Idee. Wie heißen die Länder Ihrer Königin? Lacinia, IIRC"
to Wesley: "Lass mich dir das zeigen"
Assuming they're in the bathroom now, Brie begins by showing them how to put on clothes, exaggerating the process and describing what he is doing as he does so.
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>>91435
Kerr: “Wir wurden in Vraks zu unserer Mutter Lacinia geboren”
Kerr is trying to put on the suit, but is having difficulty with his new body, specifically, the bat wings, which he struggles to place through the rear holes
Wesley: “Oh... okay”
He places it on, first almost putting in on backwards, before putting it on correctly. He looks uncomfortable, but smiles anyways
Kerr: “Wir wurden in Vraks zu unserer Mutter Lacinia geboren”
Kerr is trying to put on the suit, but is having difficulty with his new body, specifically, the bat wings, which he struggles to place through the rear holes
Wesley: “Oh... okay”
He places it on, first almost putting in on backwards, before putting it on correctly. He looks uncomfortable, but smiles anyways
>>91432
>If you can disguise yourself as the enemy, and even walk right past them, why would you even bother to swarm undisguised?
It could be that maintaining a disguise requires a degree of concentration.
Either that, or "average" changlings just aren't very clever when it comes to swarming: Locust-like mentality.
>Giant monsters
Only a couple changlings expressed the ability to turn into things bigger than themselves, and for game statistics, you could chalk that up to levels in Sorcerer or Warshaper. Most normal changlings seemed to have had a purely cosmetic disguise capability.
>the more bee-like they are, the more “evil” they are, and vice versa
In the game, they don't seem to have any group ideology other than their queens leadership. It wouldn't be far fetched to claim that their mannerisms could be influenced by their magical connections to their queens. Since the queen is evil, all of the hive are evil; like wasps, only the synchronity is magical instead of purely hormonal.
>If you can disguise yourself as the enemy, and even walk right past them, why would you even bother to swarm undisguised?
It could be that maintaining a disguise requires a degree of concentration.
Either that, or "average" changlings just aren't very clever when it comes to swarming: Locust-like mentality.
>Giant monsters
Only a couple changlings expressed the ability to turn into things bigger than themselves, and for game statistics, you could chalk that up to levels in Sorcerer or Warshaper. Most normal changlings seemed to have had a purely cosmetic disguise capability.
>the more bee-like they are, the more “evil” they are, and vice versa
In the game, they don't seem to have any group ideology other than their queens leadership. It wouldn't be far fetched to claim that their mannerisms could be influenced by their magical connections to their queens. Since the queen is evil, all of the hive are evil; like wasps, only the synchronity is magical instead of purely hormonal.
>>91436
to Kerr: "Hier, lass mich dir helfen." Brie assists him in placing the clothing on properly.
To Wesley: "Keine Sorge, dies ist eine vorübergehende Maßnahme. Irgendwie erwarte ich, dass die Reise kein Problem sein wird."
to Kerr: "Hier, lass mich dir helfen." Brie assists him in placing the clothing on properly.
To Wesley: "Keine Sorge, dies ist eine vorübergehende Maßnahme. Irgendwie erwarte ich, dass die Reise kein Problem sein wird."
>>91432
>I don’t think a single female model besides Chrysalis is seen prior to the transformation.
To be fair about that, they did all have a uniform appearance. The only thing masculine about their bodies was that they weren't at all pretty.
>I don’t think a single female model besides Chrysalis is seen prior to the transformation.
To be fair about that, they did all have a uniform appearance. The only thing masculine about their bodies was that they weren't at all pretty.
>>91439
>implying changelings have any non-queen/leader females
>implying that all the pastel changeling 'females' aren't just super-gay males
>implying changelings have any non-queen/leader females
>implying that all the pastel changeling 'females' aren't just super-gay males
>>91442
Yeah. I guess they didn't bother diversifying them in that regard.
>Tails
I must concur on that note though: the tails were supposed to be rotten wings in the first place, and when they changed they were all replaced with longer wing-tails.
It still looks like a masculine-looking model though, or at least a model devoid of any feminine traits.
Yeah. I guess they didn't bother diversifying them in that regard.
>Tails
I must concur on that note though: the tails were supposed to be rotten wings in the first place, and when they changed they were all replaced with longer wing-tails.
It still looks like a masculine-looking model though, or at least a model devoid of any feminine traits.
Also, why do changlings have better military tech in the game anyway? Shouldn't ponies be better at that kind of stuff?
Changlings on average never appeared to be very inventive creatures in the show, so it feels weird that they gave them that attribute in the game mod.
Changlings on average never appeared to be very inventive creatures in the show, so it feels weird that they gave them that attribute in the game mod.
>>91442
Wesley: "Wir werden mit dem Zug fahren"
Kerr: "Hast du gesehen, wie ich heute Kleidung trug? Ich mag sie auch nicht."
Brie says with a wink.
Wesley: "Wir werden mit dem Zug fahren"
Kerr: "Hast du gesehen, wie ich heute Kleidung trug? Ich mag sie auch nicht."
Brie says with a wink.
>>91445
How many ponies do we see doing inventive things in the show? Basically fucking none, so given the fact that we don’t see many changelings at all it’s not surprising we haven’t seen Nikolai Tesla or Alexander Grambell on screen. They wear the sane armor as the Equestrian Royal Guard or Crystal Guard, although sometimes styled a bit differently. Who is to say that they don’t invest more into research than ponies? Or less. And if you bother to play the mod, you see that they actually have fewer research slots early on than most pony nations.
>>91446
Kerr: “Ich meine diese Flügel”
Wesley: “Es wird eine lange Fahrt sein. Wie kommst du zurück?”
How many ponies do we see doing inventive things in the show? Basically fucking none, so given the fact that we don’t see many changelings at all it’s not surprising we haven’t seen Nikolai Tesla or Alexander Grambell on screen. They wear the sane armor as the Equestrian Royal Guard or Crystal Guard, although sometimes styled a bit differently. Who is to say that they don’t invest more into research than ponies? Or less. And if you bother to play the mod, you see that they actually have fewer research slots early on than most pony nations.
>>91446
Kerr: “Ich meine diese Flügel”
Wesley: “Es wird eine lange Fahrt sein. Wie kommst du zurück?”
>>91447
>Changlings
>Nazi parrallels
This irks me, but idk what I would have expected...
Still it doesn't really suit them at all. They never seemed very clever in any sort of way that didn't involve tricking people. They never really used any sorts of complicated tool, machinery, or infrastructure in the show.
Ponies on the other hand seemed much more inventive. They had all sorts of tools, and even railroads. Equestria always seemed to be the most developed region in the known world.
>Changlings
>Nazi parrallels
This irks me, but idk what I would have expected...
Still it doesn't really suit them at all. They never seemed very clever in any sort of way that didn't involve tricking people. They never really used any sorts of complicated tool, machinery, or infrastructure in the show.
Ponies on the other hand seemed much more inventive. They had all sorts of tools, and even railroads. Equestria always seemed to be the most developed region in the known world.
>>91448
>And if you bother to play the mod
I don't have access to a PC atm, so I'm only reading about it in terms of lore that may concern my character or the current story as it relates to d&d.
>And if you bother to play the mod
I don't have access to a PC atm, so I'm only reading about it in terms of lore that may concern my character or the current story as it relates to d&d.
>>91448
Kerr: "Diese Dinge haben mich aus einigen harten Kratzern geholt. Sie mögen unbeholfen wirken, aber sie leisten ihren Teil."
Wesley: "Meinen Sie nicht, wie kommen wir zurück?"
Kerr: "Diese Dinge haben mich aus einigen harten Kratzern geholt. Sie mögen unbeholfen wirken, aber sie leisten ihren Teil."
Wesley: "Meinen Sie nicht, wie kommen wir zurück?"
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>>91449
>Doesn't like Changelings as Germans
What the fuck are they supposed to be like?
Did you know that German culture is one of only two cultures on the entire planet to have Changelings as a deep part of their mythology? Yes, that's right, Changelings are a subject of German folklore and not many other cultures. They have fairies that exchange human children for their own children. You can get Changelings to give you back your child by abusing the changeling, causing them to swap it back, and one way of discerning a Changeling from a regular child is by placing the suspected changeling in an oven. Changelings have a place in German culture, and they even have a word for it: "Wechselbalg." The only other culture with a strong Changeling mythology is Ireland. But in this universe, the Ireland parrellel is already taken by Greneclyff, and Ireland doesn't exactly make for a good, imperialistic, militaristic, hegemonic Empire. The only other culture with any serious Changeling mythology is Norway, but those are technically trolls, and in any event, Olenia is the Norway Parallel.
Whether you like it or not, and whether you want it or not, this is a WW2 based universe. That means that the antagonist must parallel one of the big empires of WW2. Germany and Japan are obvious, because they are hierarchical with strong leaders, collectivistic, aggressive, expansionistic, and Imperialistic. Using the Soviet Union wouldn't work as well because the role of Soviet parallel is already taken by Stalliongrad, and the Changelings, unlike the Soviet Union, are unashamed and upfront about their imperialism and hierarchy.
In some ways, Japan is a closer match for the Changelings than Germany. The ideology of the Changeling conquest is fairly close to Japanese style Imperialism, and they are also more "alien" to the main races in the way that the Japanese were to the Americans. But there was no way I was going to use Japanese as the language of teh Changelings. The reason is because I knew damned good and well that for dialogue, I would be reliant on Google Translate. I don't trust google translate as it makes many errors, and I cycle every translation through it many times to make sure that it actually says what I want it to say. I do not trust Google translate to very accurately translate english into a non-indo-European language and back again. Japanese also has the further problem of not using Roman lettering, which makes it harder to manually single out words to try to manipulate translations. So I figured that the best language to use would be an Indo-European langue that uses Roman lettering, because anything more foriegn may have translation issues. I can read and sort of understand Spanish, but in Texas, Spanish is a language of poor immigrants, a connotation that I can't easily shake from my mind, so I wasn't going to use that. Nothing seemed more appropriate than using German.
And yes, the Changelings in the mod are German. they use German tank models, German aircraft, and they even have a national spirit called "Canterlot defeat" which is a parallel to the national spirit in the vanilla game that represents the German defeat in WW1.
Further, there is a fascinating line in the Equestria at War mod that stuck out to me. It said that Chrysalis is from one of the northern hives, and "united all of the other hives." This makes it sound like the hives of the Changelings were were like the states of Germany, disunited into hundreds of little states, until one very strong, very aggressive, militaristic northern state - Prussia/Chrysalis - forcibly united all of them into a single superpower.
The Changeling hives, in that way, are like the German Kaiserreich. Many smaller states united under the hegemony of a monarch and a culture that is Imperialistic and Militaristic.
And if you don't like that, propose a better fucking solution that is actually logical, would work, and is interesting.
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>Doesn't like Changelings as Germans
What the fuck are they supposed to be like?
Did you know that German culture is one of only two cultures on the entire planet to have Changelings as a deep part of their mythology? Yes, that's right, Changelings are a subject of German folklore and not many other cultures. They have fairies that exchange human children for their own children. You can get Changelings to give you back your child by abusing the changeling, causing them to swap it back, and one way of discerning a Changeling from a regular child is by placing the suspected changeling in an oven. Changelings have a place in German culture, and they even have a word for it: "Wechselbalg." The only other culture with a strong Changeling mythology is Ireland. But in this universe, the Ireland parrellel is already taken by Greneclyff, and Ireland doesn't exactly make for a good, imperialistic, militaristic, hegemonic Empire. The only other culture with any serious Changeling mythology is Norway, but those are technically trolls, and in any event, Olenia is the Norway Parallel.
Whether you like it or not, and whether you want it or not, this is a WW2 based universe. That means that the antagonist must parallel one of the big empires of WW2. Germany and Japan are obvious, because they are hierarchical with strong leaders, collectivistic, aggressive, expansionistic, and Imperialistic. Using the Soviet Union wouldn't work as well because the role of Soviet parallel is already taken by Stalliongrad, and the Changelings, unlike the Soviet Union, are unashamed and upfront about their imperialism and hierarchy.
In some ways, Japan is a closer match for the Changelings than Germany. The ideology of the Changeling conquest is fairly close to Japanese style Imperialism, and they are also more "alien" to the main races in the way that the Japanese were to the Americans. But there was no way I was going to use Japanese as the language of teh Changelings. The reason is because I knew damned good and well that for dialogue, I would be reliant on Google Translate. I don't trust google translate as it makes many errors, and I cycle every translation through it many times to make sure that it actually says what I want it to say. I do not trust Google translate to very accurately translate english into a non-indo-European language and back again. Japanese also has the further problem of not using Roman lettering, which makes it harder to manually single out words to try to manipulate translations. So I figured that the best language to use would be an Indo-European langue that uses Roman lettering, because anything more foriegn may have translation issues. I can read and sort of understand Spanish, but in Texas, Spanish is a language of poor immigrants, a connotation that I can't easily shake from my mind, so I wasn't going to use that. Nothing seemed more appropriate than using German.
And yes, the Changelings in the mod are German. they use German tank models, German aircraft, and they even have a national spirit called "Canterlot defeat" which is a parallel to the national spirit in the vanilla game that represents the German defeat in WW1.
Further, there is a fascinating line in the Equestria at War mod that stuck out to me. It said that Chrysalis is from one of the northern hives, and "united all of the other hives." This makes it sound like the hives of the Changelings were were like the states of Germany, disunited into hundreds of little states, until one very strong, very aggressive, militaristic northern state - Prussia/Chrysalis - forcibly united all of them into a single superpower.
The Changeling hives, in that way, are like the German Kaiserreich. Many smaller states united under the hegemony of a monarch and a culture that is Imperialistic and Militaristic.
And if you don't like that, propose a better fucking solution that is actually logical, would work, and is interesting.
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>>91452
>>91449
In short, Germany
1. Actually has a Changeling mythology
2. Is similar to the Changelings with regards to being a threatening military power that tries to expand itself and take colonies
3. Has a language that I can trust to go through google translate
4. Had a kind of comparable ideology and political structure in the time of the Second German Empire
There is not a single culture on Earth that has all four of those things besides Germany. Not a single culture. Prove otherwise, or shut the fuck up
>>91449
In short, Germany
1. Actually has a Changeling mythology
2. Is similar to the Changelings with regards to being a threatening military power that tries to expand itself and take colonies
3. Has a language that I can trust to go through google translate
4. Had a kind of comparable ideology and political structure in the time of the Second German Empire
There is not a single culture on Earth that has all four of those things besides Germany. Not a single culture. Prove otherwise, or shut the fuck up
>>91451
Kerr nods understandingly
Wesley: "Es ist einfacher einzusteigen als die Hegemonie zu verlassen"
Kerr nods understandingly
Wesley: "Es ist einfacher einzusteigen als die Hegemonie zu verlassen"
>>91453
>>91452
I wasn't reading into it that much. I was only slightly irked to see Germans compared to the main villains of FiM for reasons I assumed to be none other than that they were "evil".
>And if you don't like that, propose a better fucking solution that is actually logical, would work, and is interesting.
That wasn't my intent, but even if it was, it wouldn't matter.
>4. Had a kind of comparable ideology and political structure in the time of the Second German Empire
Ehhhhhh, maybe in an abstract, xenomorphic fashion.
>2. Is similar to the Changelings with regards to being a threatening military power that tries to expand itself and take colonies
I would argue with this point, but I feel it's best to agree to disagree for now.
>>91452
I wasn't reading into it that much. I was only slightly irked to see Germans compared to the main villains of FiM for reasons I assumed to be none other than that they were "evil".
>And if you don't like that, propose a better fucking solution that is actually logical, would work, and is interesting.
That wasn't my intent, but even if it was, it wouldn't matter.
>4. Had a kind of comparable ideology and political structure in the time of the Second German Empire
Ehhhhhh, maybe in an abstract, xenomorphic fashion.
>2. Is similar to the Changelings with regards to being a threatening military power that tries to expand itself and take colonies
I would argue with this point, but I feel it's best to agree to disagree for now.
>>91455
>Doesn't agree that the changelings and the Germans wanted to colonize vast tracts of land
How is this even disputable? Chrysalis obviously wanted to conquer Equestria. kaiser Wilhelm and Hitler both wanted to carve out an empire in the East, turning the Ukraine, Belorussia, and the Baltic into German colonial territory. For example, after the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, the German Army left a million and a half troops in the Ukraine and other territories to garrison these as German vassals. In particular, they hoped to take the wheat harvest of the Ukraine to supplement their own inadequate food supply. That million and a half troops that never made it to the Western Front in 1918 - in my opinion - probably caused them to lose the war. Hitler also annexed the sudentenland, western poland, Alsace Lurein, and took Bohemia, central Poland, and Slovakia as vassals, besides the beginnings of an attempt to do the same to the Ukraine, Belorussia, and the Baltic. I really don't see how you can deny the Imperial ambitions of either Chrysalis or Kaiser Wilhelm.
>Doesn't agree that the changelings and the Germans wanted to colonize vast tracts of land
How is this even disputable? Chrysalis obviously wanted to conquer Equestria. kaiser Wilhelm and Hitler both wanted to carve out an empire in the East, turning the Ukraine, Belorussia, and the Baltic into German colonial territory. For example, after the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, the German Army left a million and a half troops in the Ukraine and other territories to garrison these as German vassals. In particular, they hoped to take the wheat harvest of the Ukraine to supplement their own inadequate food supply. That million and a half troops that never made it to the Western Front in 1918 - in my opinion - probably caused them to lose the war. Hitler also annexed the sudentenland, western poland, Alsace Lurein, and took Bohemia, central Poland, and Slovakia as vassals, besides the beginnings of an attempt to do the same to the Ukraine, Belorussia, and the Baltic. I really don't see how you can deny the Imperial ambitions of either Chrysalis or Kaiser Wilhelm.
>>91452
So that's why the Greneclyf Changelings are Irish.
Anyways, if I remember correctly, Silver was sharing a moment with Blue over a recently opened container of what is presumably a rose/lavender flavored kind of kissel.
So that's why the Greneclyf Changelings are Irish.
Anyways, if I remember correctly, Silver was sharing a moment with Blue over a recently opened container of what is presumably a rose/lavender flavored kind of kissel.
>>91456
First of all, "colonizing" is far too friviloy of a term to describe the Changlings' invasion, because it assumes that a changeling enclave is anything but a a clear and menacing existential threat to all sapient creatures in the surrounding region. Changlings and ponies can never live peacefully with eachother, so a changling colony in pony territory is nothing more than an ongoing act of aggression to all adjacent ponies. Ponies cannot be converted into whatever excuse of a Nation that changelings possess, so a changling invasion is less of a colony than it is a highly organized program to torture and enslave the local population.
>Hitler also annexed the sudentenland, western poland
That was already German territory on a cultural standpoint.
And still, it's not comparable to changlings who, being literal monsters, only sought expansionism for the sake of subjugating any and all intelligent life around them for the sake of sucking the life out of them. Changelings don't have ideological or cultural reasons to expand their influence; their motives are purely malign and predatoy. They view ponies as food; as herd of resources that they can steal. When they annex pony territory, they obviously care more about the slaves than they do about the tracks of land. They're not colonizing nearly as much as they're hunting.
I can agree that she would have had some similarities to Wilhelm if she did have a backstory that revolved around unifying the existing changling kingdoms though.
First of all, "colonizing" is far too friviloy of a term to describe the Changlings' invasion, because it assumes that a changeling enclave is anything but a a clear and menacing existential threat to all sapient creatures in the surrounding region. Changlings and ponies can never live peacefully with eachother, so a changling colony in pony territory is nothing more than an ongoing act of aggression to all adjacent ponies. Ponies cannot be converted into whatever excuse of a Nation that changelings possess, so a changling invasion is less of a colony than it is a highly organized program to torture and enslave the local population.
>Hitler also annexed the sudentenland, western poland
That was already German territory on a cultural standpoint.
And still, it's not comparable to changlings who, being literal monsters, only sought expansionism for the sake of subjugating any and all intelligent life around them for the sake of sucking the life out of them. Changelings don't have ideological or cultural reasons to expand their influence; their motives are purely malign and predatoy. They view ponies as food; as herd of resources that they can steal. When they annex pony territory, they obviously care more about the slaves than they do about the tracks of land. They're not colonizing nearly as much as they're hunting.
I can agree that she would have had some similarities to Wilhelm if she did have a backstory that revolved around unifying the existing changling kingdoms though.
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