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>>185173
Things slow down after combat.
The thing to do now is to heal wounds, talk with NPCs, and explore. Which is what everyone is doing
Things slow down after combat.
The thing to do now is to heal wounds, talk with NPCs, and explore. Which is what everyone is doing
For the record, Im not saying anything needs changing, redress, or fixing.
Im simply autistic/irritated and trying to be as minimally destructive as possible about expressing it. Ive detailed this to GM but want it available for reference.
Im simply autistic/irritated and trying to be as minimally destructive as possible about expressing it. Ive detailed this to GM but want it available for reference.
In case GM ever needs to fluff why Tenebrous disappeared or why he might suddenly reappear when his player returns, GM could pad put his WBL with a couple scrolls of Door To Great Evil:
https://dndtools.net/spells/ghostwalk--94/door-to-great-evil--1384/
This the "Give me an encounter, NOW!!!" spell. It's one of the most interesting teleportation spells in the game, exclusive to the Paladin list, letting high level paladins fulfill the role of fantasy superheroes appearing wherever they are needed. I've used this before as a convenient excuse for why Sir Not Appearing In This Film appears as a Deus Ex Machina to save the party when they died in the first encounter of the adventure, and then promptly disappear.
https://dndtools.net/spells/ghostwalk--94/door-to-great-evil--1384/
This the "Give me an encounter, NOW!!!" spell. It's one of the most interesting teleportation spells in the game, exclusive to the Paladin list, letting high level paladins fulfill the role of fantasy superheroes appearing wherever they are needed. I've used this before as a convenient excuse for why Sir Not Appearing In This Film appears as a Deus Ex Machina to save the party when they died in the first encounter of the adventure, and then promptly disappear.
>>185201
You think you can say things like that and us not pet u?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lE-RGpcrn_w
pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet
>>185216
Why are in universe explanations for entirely out of universe happenings necessary?
On a TV show most or at least some people viewing it don't know that the reason a character isn't returning is because the contract wasn't renewed with the actor. But here, we all know what happened. We know why a player character isn't here right now. Do we need to drag that meta knowledge into the game? Can we not just be silent?
I could write a multi-paragraph essay on why that "in character nerfing" was not merely unnecessary but actually very wrong, but I stay silent on most things
You think you can say things like that and us not pet u?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lE-RGpcrn_w
pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet pet
>>185216
Why are in universe explanations for entirely out of universe happenings necessary?
On a TV show most or at least some people viewing it don't know that the reason a character isn't returning is because the contract wasn't renewed with the actor. But here, we all know what happened. We know why a player character isn't here right now. Do we need to drag that meta knowledge into the game? Can we not just be silent?
I could write a multi-paragraph essay on why that "in character nerfing" was not merely unnecessary but actually very wrong, but I stay silent on most things
>>185222
>Why are in universe explanations for entirely out of universe happenings necessary?
They are not. I just wanted an excuse to geek out about this fun spell.
>Why are in universe explanations for entirely out of universe happenings necessary?
They are not. I just wanted an excuse to geek out about this fun spell.
>>185222
>I could write a multi-paragraph essay on why that "in character nerfing" was not merely unnecessary but actually very wrong, but I stay silent on most things
Oh, I thought it was a fun, creative sequence, but I'll refrain from doing it again if you dislike it.
I also wanted to express Posey's relationships with her masters in the league, her position as a slave, the origin of her desperation to become a master (to become free of service), and looming consequences of failure. It's all been in my head so far, but the other players can't see that unless I express it somehow.
>I could write a multi-paragraph essay on why that "in character nerfing" was not merely unnecessary but actually very wrong, but I stay silent on most things
Oh, I thought it was a fun, creative sequence, but I'll refrain from doing it again if you dislike it.
I also wanted to express Posey's relationships with her masters in the league, her position as a slave, the origin of her desperation to become a master (to become free of service), and looming consequences of failure. It's all been in my head so far, but the other players can't see that unless I express it somehow.
I wonder if I can use Bluff or Intimidate to taunt enemies into shooting me first. I didn't take any damage these past two encounters.
>>185136
I really liked this encounter. It's fun to fight more conventional monsters like Ettin(?) or Howlers, since it's closer to classic d&d. No complaints about the fight. Don't take my falling asleep as criticism; I was just sick and has to pass out.
It would be a lot more fun with level-appropriate treasure rolls though, since we have been consuming resources these past couple fights. I know summons don't drop treasure, but we have been fighting them in a context of general or summon traps, so perhaps there's other treasure in the vicinity. Everyone likes treasure.
I really liked this encounter. It's fun to fight more conventional monsters like Ettin(?) or Howlers, since it's closer to classic d&d. No complaints about the fight. Don't take my falling asleep as criticism; I was just sick and has to pass out.
It would be a lot more fun with level-appropriate treasure rolls though, since we have been consuming resources these past couple fights. I know summons don't drop treasure, but we have been fighting them in a context of general or summon traps, so perhaps there's other treasure in the vicinity. Everyone likes treasure.
>>185246
No one is allowed to pilot Brie in combat anymore. Skill checks that wont blow up in his face are fine (by request)
No one is allowed to pilot Brie in combat anymore. Skill checks that wont blow up in his face are fine (by request)
>>185232
So as I understand that sequence, it was Posey’s masters being mad that she hadn’t made extreme progress in conquering Equestria. Basically because she hasn’t conquered Equestria (or seriously started it) in two weeks. This is just, well
1. I cannot believe that they sent Posey to conquer (immediately) rather than be a spy. I cannot believe that Dread League mages would expect a single apprentice slave with no outside support and almost no support at all was going to conquer the strongest and most magical continent on the planet quickly, and then would bow down and pledge her allegiance to the dread league masters, and expect this to happen without tipping off the other two continents that an undead invasion is going to happen and thus make the Dread League’s work vastly harder. The reason Posey was sent was almost certainly precisely because the dread league is aloof and isolated. They know this, they know it is a flaw, and want to try to remedy it.
2. Two weeks is nothing. Hearts of Iron 4 is by far the fastest pace of the Paradox games, measuring time by the hour, and yet still it takes 180 days to even get a war declaration. EAW forces you to take two to three years before you can start to gain war goals. The Dread League is by far and away the most extreme example of this. They can’t invade their first nation until five or so years into the game, and they can’t begin their black crusade until about nine years into the game, which is the end game for basically every other playable faction
3. Perception of time decreases with square root of age. The older you are, the less two weeks seems like a long time. I don’t now how old the Dread League leaders are, but I very seriously doubt they are significantly younger than the 40+ year olds that rule the other nations. Two weeks or even a year is nothing to them.
4. Premature ejaculation in Equestria hurts the Dread League Globally. As stated before, there’s like a 99.999% chance that a lone slave with no help is going to defeat all of the princesses. If and when that happens, it’s like a vaccine or inoculation for the rest of the world. Undead have vulnerabilities. Once everyone knows “oh, we have to fight undead” they prepare themselves for it. This makes the Black Crusade more likely to fail. If it were that easy, the Dread league would have done this a millennia ago. And then what if posey succeeds? Is she just going to bow down to her masters? No. Obviously not.
5. It reinforces posey doing exactly what I don’t want her to do. The logical conclusion is “I need to go faster! Pick up the pace faster! Do things faster!” Can we just not?
6. It defies very basic logic. If the problem is that she’s not conquering fast enough making her weaker will make the problem worse.
7. Premature ejaculation is bad for Posey. If posey did exactly what she planned on doing but, you know, waited until after the black crusade was in swing, then she could actually help the black crusade even if she failed, and she’d be infinitely more likely to succeed. Imagine if Posey’s first act of war were to destroy the navy of New Mareland or the Changelings on the eve of them entering the war against the Black Crusade? That would be infinitely more helpful than killing a bunch of civilians in the southeast, getting her ass kicked by whatever combination of factions it takes to kick her ass, and then the whole world throws money at whatever Paladin orders remain.
8. The way in which it was done was a little immersion breaking. It speaks by shouting through a floating, flaking seal skull inside of a flooded, cramped engine compartment in a small fishing vessel. The problem is that any of the other party members or the griffins may have been down there, or heard the skull speaking
9. HP is just numbers on a paper. I don’t think it requires a justification
But you got praise by at least one other poster for writing that. If you like it then good. I didn’t say anything because I’m not trying to step on your fun. I’m not here to tell you how to play your character or her relationship with her masters or her backstory or even her purpose in Equestria.
>>185243
Yes.
So as I understand that sequence, it was Posey’s masters being mad that she hadn’t made extreme progress in conquering Equestria. Basically because she hasn’t conquered Equestria (or seriously started it) in two weeks. This is just, well
1. I cannot believe that they sent Posey to conquer (immediately) rather than be a spy. I cannot believe that Dread League mages would expect a single apprentice slave with no outside support and almost no support at all was going to conquer the strongest and most magical continent on the planet quickly, and then would bow down and pledge her allegiance to the dread league masters, and expect this to happen without tipping off the other two continents that an undead invasion is going to happen and thus make the Dread League’s work vastly harder. The reason Posey was sent was almost certainly precisely because the dread league is aloof and isolated. They know this, they know it is a flaw, and want to try to remedy it.
2. Two weeks is nothing. Hearts of Iron 4 is by far the fastest pace of the Paradox games, measuring time by the hour, and yet still it takes 180 days to even get a war declaration. EAW forces you to take two to three years before you can start to gain war goals. The Dread League is by far and away the most extreme example of this. They can’t invade their first nation until five or so years into the game, and they can’t begin their black crusade until about nine years into the game, which is the end game for basically every other playable faction
3. Perception of time decreases with square root of age. The older you are, the less two weeks seems like a long time. I don’t now how old the Dread League leaders are, but I very seriously doubt they are significantly younger than the 40+ year olds that rule the other nations. Two weeks or even a year is nothing to them.
4. Premature ejaculation in Equestria hurts the Dread League Globally. As stated before, there’s like a 99.999% chance that a lone slave with no help is going to defeat all of the princesses. If and when that happens, it’s like a vaccine or inoculation for the rest of the world. Undead have vulnerabilities. Once everyone knows “oh, we have to fight undead” they prepare themselves for it. This makes the Black Crusade more likely to fail. If it were that easy, the Dread league would have done this a millennia ago. And then what if posey succeeds? Is she just going to bow down to her masters? No. Obviously not.
5. It reinforces posey doing exactly what I don’t want her to do. The logical conclusion is “I need to go faster! Pick up the pace faster! Do things faster!” Can we just not?
6. It defies very basic logic. If the problem is that she’s not conquering fast enough making her weaker will make the problem worse.
7. Premature ejaculation is bad for Posey. If posey did exactly what she planned on doing but, you know, waited until after the black crusade was in swing, then she could actually help the black crusade even if she failed, and she’d be infinitely more likely to succeed. Imagine if Posey’s first act of war were to destroy the navy of New Mareland or the Changelings on the eve of them entering the war against the Black Crusade? That would be infinitely more helpful than killing a bunch of civilians in the southeast, getting her ass kicked by whatever combination of factions it takes to kick her ass, and then the whole world throws money at whatever Paladin orders remain.
8. The way in which it was done was a little immersion breaking. It speaks by shouting through a floating, flaking seal skull inside of a flooded, cramped engine compartment in a small fishing vessel. The problem is that any of the other party members or the griffins may have been down there, or heard the skull speaking
9. HP is just numbers on a paper. I don’t think it requires a justification
But you got praise by at least one other poster for writing that. If you like it then good. I didn’t say anything because I’m not trying to step on your fun. I’m not here to tell you how to play your character or her relationship with her masters or her backstory or even her purpose in Equestria.
>>185243
Yes.
>>185253
>I cannot believe that Dread League mages would expect a single apprentice slave with no outside support and almost no support at all was going to conquer the strongest and most magical continent on the planet quickly
Well, I meant this partly as a joke. Rosey Ring has an archaic, out-of-touch, medieval and belligerent demeanor. The idea was that her masters, being centuries older, would be several degrees more extreme.
I acknowledge that it doesn't make sense though, and that they were giving her a mission with impossible standards, and were punishing her unfairly for not succeeding with flying colors immediately, to a nonsensical degree.
She also let that Paladin get away instead of killing him, which is strong infraction as far as the league is concerned.
I was inspired by how devils in the nine hells treat their generals, where even a single failure or lack of immediate victory is punished by immediate demotion.
>6. It defies very basic logic. If the problem is that she’s not conquering fast enough making her weaker will make the problem worse.
Well, I've only expressed it subtly since the beginning of the game, but Rosey's masters have no intention of helping her expand her powers, because becoming a master herself would mean that she no longer is bound to serve them, so they have no reservations against knocking her down a peg and retarding her actual progress with unfair tasks and punishments, when they weren't draining XP from her every day ala Ritual Of Transference after battle.
>Imagine if Posey’s first act of war were to destroy the navy of New Mareland or the Changelings on the eve of them entering the war against the Black Crusade?
Sounds like a lot of fun. I would very much love to move into the war game and mass combat aspect of this campaign.
All of your points are correct though. Perhaps it was too silly.
>I cannot believe that Dread League mages would expect a single apprentice slave with no outside support and almost no support at all was going to conquer the strongest and most magical continent on the planet quickly
Well, I meant this partly as a joke. Rosey Ring has an archaic, out-of-touch, medieval and belligerent demeanor. The idea was that her masters, being centuries older, would be several degrees more extreme.
I acknowledge that it doesn't make sense though, and that they were giving her a mission with impossible standards, and were punishing her unfairly for not succeeding with flying colors immediately, to a nonsensical degree.
She also let that Paladin get away instead of killing him, which is strong infraction as far as the league is concerned.
I was inspired by how devils in the nine hells treat their generals, where even a single failure or lack of immediate victory is punished by immediate demotion.
>6. It defies very basic logic. If the problem is that she’s not conquering fast enough making her weaker will make the problem worse.
Well, I've only expressed it subtly since the beginning of the game, but Rosey's masters have no intention of helping her expand her powers, because becoming a master herself would mean that she no longer is bound to serve them, so they have no reservations against knocking her down a peg and retarding her actual progress with unfair tasks and punishments, when they weren't draining XP from her every day ala Ritual Of Transference after battle.
>Imagine if Posey’s first act of war were to destroy the navy of New Mareland or the Changelings on the eve of them entering the war against the Black Crusade?
Sounds like a lot of fun. I would very much love to move into the war game and mass combat aspect of this campaign.
All of your points are correct though. Perhaps it was too silly.
>>185253
>5. It reinforces posey doing exactly what I don’t want her to do. The logical conclusion is “I need to go faster! Pick up the pace faster! Do things faster!” Can we just not?
I guess so.
After I got some level-appropriate gold from this quest, I wanted to take some downtime. Acquire some land, start a business, make a few profit checks, etc.
>5. It reinforces posey doing exactly what I don’t want her to do. The logical conclusion is “I need to go faster! Pick up the pace faster! Do things faster!” Can we just not?
I guess so.
After I got some level-appropriate gold from this quest, I wanted to take some downtime. Acquire some land, start a business, make a few profit checks, etc.
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>>185253
>The Dread League is by far and away the most extreme example of this. They can’t invade their first nation until five or so years into the game, and they can’t begin their black crusade until about nine years into the game, which is the end game for basically every other playable faction
>The Dread League is by far and away the most extreme example of this. They can’t invade their first nation until five or so years into the game, and they can’t begin their black crusade until about nine years into the game, which is the end game for basically every other playable faction
>>185227
Let me pet you!
>>185245
>>185246
The only reason I had Brie get shot at was because I wanted to make a point that flying leaves characters very exposed and as very obvious targets. Basically flying isn't safe.
You can ignore it if you like. I had no idea what brie would do on his second round
>>185249
Please let it be known that I can alter quests and encounters to accommodate your tastes
I'm trying to make the distribution of treasures make sense. Especially after the beginning of the quest when there was so much free stuff, and then how magic weapons have been far more abundant in loot than they really should be.
>>185250
You would have had less luck with the dice rolls and you know it
>>185256
>>185258
Again, I'm not trying to stop your fun. At least one other person - I'm pretty sure it was two people - commented to compliment the post.
I was just slightly annoyed because Posey the Spy/Posey the "I'll rule all of you in six years" is more in line with, well, the campaign as a whole than Posey the (imminent) conqueror
Let me pet you!
>>185245
>>185246
The only reason I had Brie get shot at was because I wanted to make a point that flying leaves characters very exposed and as very obvious targets. Basically flying isn't safe.
You can ignore it if you like. I had no idea what brie would do on his second round
>>185249
Please let it be known that I can alter quests and encounters to accommodate your tastes
I'm trying to make the distribution of treasures make sense. Especially after the beginning of the quest when there was so much free stuff, and then how magic weapons have been far more abundant in loot than they really should be.
>>185250
You would have had less luck with the dice rolls and you know it
>>185256
>>185258
Again, I'm not trying to stop your fun. At least one other person - I'm pretty sure it was two people - commented to compliment the post.
I was just slightly annoyed because Posey the Spy/Posey the "I'll rule all of you in six years" is more in line with, well, the campaign as a whole than Posey the (imminent) conqueror
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>>185263
<bites
>flying is dangerous
Which is precisely why defensive fighting (incur +3 dodge bonus in exchange for -4 to attack) is crucial. I grt your point tho
>less luck with dice
Possibly, likely even, though its preferrable that I be mad at RNGesus than players/(you), cuz at least this way he can fail with style.
This is also why I was irritated about the stun grenade in the first fight. The attrition of careless damage can add up
<bites
>flying is dangerous
Which is precisely why defensive fighting (incur +3 dodge bonus in exchange for -4 to attack) is crucial. I grt your point tho
>less luck with dice
Possibly, likely even, though its preferrable that I be mad at RNGesus than players/(you), cuz at least this way he can fail with style.
This is also why I was irritated about the stun grenade in the first fight. The attrition of careless damage can add up
>>185263
>Let me pet you!
You can pet Posey. Posey likes pets. She won't bite probably
>I'm trying to make the distribution of treasures make sense.
I think regular soldiers carrying standard issue cure potions and maybe some magic ammo would make sense. Equestria is a high-magic setting, so militaries should have at least as many common consumable magic items as conventional guardsmen in d&d. These guys probably drank or mindlessly discarded their potions, but maybe the next ones will have some, along with the ~4k in treasure an encounter of this estimated CR would have.
Least/lesser augmentation crystals are fun loot too. They attach to regular magic items and make them stronger.
Maybe we might find a vault that contains the entire payroll of a fleet in gold. Rosey Ring is more interested in gold than anything else, since she's trying to acquire land, open a business and eventually raise an army.
Or just utility items. Or shekels. Maybe just open the SRD or MIC encounter treasure roller, and reroll anything that doesn't make sense.
>I was just slightly annoyed because Posey the Spy/Posey the "I'll rule all of you in six years" is more in line with, well, the campaign as a whole than Posey the (imminent) conqueror
I'm fine with taking years, but I would like to make some progress as well. Maybe downtime/timeskips, if the other players can agree to it.
>Let me pet you!
You can pet Posey. Posey likes pets. She won't bite probably
>I'm trying to make the distribution of treasures make sense.
I think regular soldiers carrying standard issue cure potions and maybe some magic ammo would make sense. Equestria is a high-magic setting, so militaries should have at least as many common consumable magic items as conventional guardsmen in d&d. These guys probably drank or mindlessly discarded their potions, but maybe the next ones will have some, along with the ~4k in treasure an encounter of this estimated CR would have.
Least/lesser augmentation crystals are fun loot too. They attach to regular magic items and make them stronger.
Maybe we might find a vault that contains the entire payroll of a fleet in gold. Rosey Ring is more interested in gold than anything else, since she's trying to acquire land, open a business and eventually raise an army.
Or just utility items. Or shekels. Maybe just open the SRD or MIC encounter treasure roller, and reroll anything that doesn't make sense.
>I was just slightly annoyed because Posey the Spy/Posey the "I'll rule all of you in six years" is more in line with, well, the campaign as a whole than Posey the (imminent) conqueror
I'm fine with taking years, but I would like to make some progress as well. Maybe downtime/timeskips, if the other players can agree to it.
>>185266
Also, I'd still like to get to use magic item on the funny crystal, the totem mask, and the totem other thing, if that could be said to happen during transit
Also, I'd still like to get to use magic item on the funny crystal, the totem mask, and the totem other thing, if that could be said to happen during transit
>>185276
Kek, it made it seem you were arguing for mares over loot
On the crystals and totem stuff, if theres a chance any of it will be useful we might try and figure them out
Kek, it made it seem you were arguing for mares over loot
On the crystals and totem stuff, if theres a chance any of it will be useful we might try and figure them out
>>185263
I still really don't think magic weapons or any magic items have been overrepresented in the loot. I will say, so far some loot would be nice. Silver has a household of NPCs to think about. Also potions because we're starting to accumulate more damage than we've been able to heal, and we'll need them to keep up with future encounters.
Also, can we just say that we're taking pictures of these monsters as we're encountering them now? I'd really like to have some proof that we're fighting literal demons so we can get paid more by Shoal Water, and I don't think we're going to remember to do so OOC before every encounter.
I still really don't think magic weapons or any magic items have been overrepresented in the loot. I will say, so far some loot would be nice. Silver has a household of NPCs to think about. Also potions because we're starting to accumulate more damage than we've been able to heal, and we'll need them to keep up with future encounters.
Also, can we just say that we're taking pictures of these monsters as we're encountering them now? I'd really like to have some proof that we're fighting literal demons so we can get paid more by Shoal Water, and I don't think we're going to remember to do so OOC before every encounter.
>>185286
You keep using this term and I have no idea what it means. I think it's wealth something or other. But yeah, no clue
You keep using this term and I have no idea what it means. I think it's wealth something or other. But yeah, no clue
Hey, if we present photos of every encounter, we can demand bonus payment from Captain Waters equal to the average treasure value for these encounters, which we can equate o the amount a mercenary would charge to kill these monsters.
The last encounter was CR ~9ish (if the Starfish are CR 3), and average treasure value would be around ~4184.3 gold pieces. The last encounter was probably a bit less than that, although I'm not sure about it.
>>185294
Wealth By Level. The amount of equipment you are supposed to have to be effective.
The last encounter was CR ~9ish (if the Starfish are CR 3), and average treasure value would be around ~4184.3 gold pieces. The last encounter was probably a bit less than that, although I'm not sure about it.
>>185294
Wealth By Level. The amount of equipment you are supposed to have to be effective.
>>185296
I see... What should my wealth be? Cause all Dust's got is a sling, a great flail, and a set of splintmail. And I guess and assortment of a few alchemical items that I haven't hashed out yet.
I see... What should my wealth be? Cause all Dust's got is a sling, a great flail, and a set of splintmail. And I guess and assortment of a few alchemical items that I haven't hashed out yet.
>>185297
For you, at lvl 6? 13,000 gold pieces.
I spent almost all of mine on becoming undead and having my body fortified... Some of which I lost due to nerfs.
For you, at lvl 6? 13,000 gold pieces.
I spent almost all of mine on becoming undead and having my body fortified... Some of which I lost due to nerfs.
>>185291
I'd really prefer it if a player RP'd taking pictures. The problem is that nobody wants to do it. Brie volunteered but hasn't done it, and Cavaliere has to worry about his carry weight. If no pony else wants to then we might as well make it automatic.
I'd really prefer it if a player RP'd taking pictures. The problem is that nobody wants to do it. Brie volunteered but hasn't done it, and Cavaliere has to worry about his carry weight. If no pony else wants to then we might as well make it automatic.
>>185286
I'm going to second what >>185294 says. You use a shit load of acronyms and half of the time i have no idea what they mean. This is especially bad when you use acronyms to name various add on 3.5 books that you know none of us have ever opened. You're at least doing better than Brie's player, who uses both acronyms I don't know and British slang words, but for all you complain about NPCs not speaking English, you don't seem to want to speak english yourself.
>>185291
I'm usually okay with saying "Oh yeah, that happens" but I feel like the camera is one situation I should put my hoof down and force it. This is for a number of reasons
1. Because taking pictures is high risk. It basically means a character can't attack in that round
2. Taking pictures is high reward. It gives the possibility of negotiating higher pay or other rewards
3. Because I don't like equipment and other little details being consistently overlooked, and at some point I kind of feel like players should be rewarded for detail and interacting with the environment versus not doing so
I'm going to second what >>185294 says. You use a shit load of acronyms and half of the time i have no idea what they mean. This is especially bad when you use acronyms to name various add on 3.5 books that you know none of us have ever opened. You're at least doing better than Brie's player, who uses both acronyms I don't know and British slang words, but for all you complain about NPCs not speaking English, you don't seem to want to speak english yourself.
>>185291
I'm usually okay with saying "Oh yeah, that happens" but I feel like the camera is one situation I should put my hoof down and force it. This is for a number of reasons
1. Because taking pictures is high risk. It basically means a character can't attack in that round
2. Taking pictures is high reward. It gives the possibility of negotiating higher pay or other rewards
3. Because I don't like equipment and other little details being consistently overlooked, and at some point I kind of feel like players should be rewarded for detail and interacting with the environment versus not doing so
>>185301
I can't tell what isn't comprehended if no questions are asked. I will make an effort, but a "what did you mean?" Isnt a huge ask either.
I can't tell what isn't comprehended if no questions are asked. I will make an effort, but a "what did you mean?" Isnt a huge ask either.
>>185301
You're asking a lot of us players to ignore the basic instincts of "see demon, must kill". If you're going to insist that we do it in character from now one, than I have to ask that the encounters we've been in already have had pictures taken of them. I don't want to put it up to a roll with our luck whether we get paid extra or not, it would be genuinely extremely disappointing to fight all of these monsters and get nothing extra for the effort.
You're asking a lot of us players to ignore the basic instincts of "see demon, must kill". If you're going to insist that we do it in character from now one, than I have to ask that the encounters we've been in already have had pictures taken of them. I don't want to put it up to a roll with our luck whether we get paid extra or not, it would be genuinely extremely disappointing to fight all of these monsters and get nothing extra for the effort.
>>185306
Im with GM at this point. Id like for us to have been using the camera, but we could assume to have expected to have corpses to photo
Im with GM at this point. Id like for us to have been using the camera, but we could assume to have expected to have corpses to photo
>>185308
Reeeeeee, stop contradicting me when I'm trying to argue for the party's benefit!
But that's a good point in my favor, too, the lack of corpses means we need those photos.
Reeeeeee, stop contradicting me when I'm trying to argue for the party's benefit!
But that's a good point in my favor, too, the lack of corpses means we need those photos.
>>185309
Unreliable/missing evidence is a classic trope, and we did kinda drop the ball especially last night. That all our monsters either vanish or arent mind controlled anymore, its kind of hard to assume we would be on it right away
Unreliable/missing evidence is a classic trope, and we did kinda drop the ball especially last night. That all our monsters either vanish or arent mind controlled anymore, its kind of hard to assume we would be on it right away
>>185310
Please stop trying to undercut me, GM pone really, really doesn't need the help. He's perfectly fine of making arguments on his own, and I struggle enough as is.
Please stop trying to undercut me, GM pone really, really doesn't need the help. He's perfectly fine of making arguments on his own, and I struggle enough as is.
>>185301
>Because taking pictures is high risk. It basically means a character can't attack in that round
We had time before the surprise round to do it.
>I kind of feel like players should be rewarded for detail and interacting with the environment versus not doing so
Shouldn't there also be a standardized reward for winning the encounter at all?
>acronyms
Pardon. It's a slang term for Wealth By Level common in the 3.5e community.
>>185306
> I don't want to put it up to a roll with our luck whether we get paid extra or not, it would be genuinely extremely disappointing to fight all of these monsters and get nothing extra for the effort.
I agree with this, particularly since this is a milestone game and we're not getting to count our XP after battles. If there is neither XP nor treasure nor substantial reward, it kind of just feels like we're leaving every encounter weaker than when we entered it (taking wounds and consuming resources), when it should be the opposite with encounters contributing to our progression as heroes.
Sure, combat is fun, but the feeling of advancement after battles is also part of the fun.
>Because taking pictures is high risk. It basically means a character can't attack in that round
We had time before the surprise round to do it.
>I kind of feel like players should be rewarded for detail and interacting with the environment versus not doing so
Shouldn't there also be a standardized reward for winning the encounter at all?
>acronyms
Pardon. It's a slang term for Wealth By Level common in the 3.5e community.
>>185306
> I don't want to put it up to a roll with our luck whether we get paid extra or not, it would be genuinely extremely disappointing to fight all of these monsters and get nothing extra for the effort.
I agree with this, particularly since this is a milestone game and we're not getting to count our XP after battles. If there is neither XP nor treasure nor substantial reward, it kind of just feels like we're leaving every encounter weaker than when we entered it (taking wounds and consuming resources), when it should be the opposite with encounters contributing to our progression as heroes.
Sure, combat is fun, but the feeling of advancement after battles is also part of the fun.
>>185306
It's already established that the quest giver won't pay out for the torch job unless there was photographic confirmation.
I don't think it's unreasonable for characters/players to have this tiniest of hoops to go through for what is probably thousands of bits.
>>185312
>It's slang in this community no one else here is a part of
Okay, but we don't speak it
>Shouldn't there also be a standardized reward for winning the encounter at all?
The quest rewards. I don't think that it's unreasonable that to add to that is using one round for one player to go click
>We had time before the surprise round to do it.
And you didn't
Would you feel better if I just shortened the whole thing and reduced the number of combat events?
It's already established that the quest giver won't pay out for the torch job unless there was photographic confirmation.
I don't think it's unreasonable for characters/players to have this tiniest of hoops to go through for what is probably thousands of bits.
>>185312
>It's slang in this community no one else here is a part of
Okay, but we don't speak it
>Shouldn't there also be a standardized reward for winning the encounter at all?
The quest rewards. I don't think that it's unreasonable that to add to that is using one round for one player to go click
>We had time before the surprise round to do it.
And you didn't
Would you feel better if I just shortened the whole thing and reduced the number of combat events?
>>185315
I'm fine with doing it in character from now on if we say we've gotten pictures from encounters we've had so far. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?
I'm fine with doing it in character from now on if we say we've gotten pictures from encounters we've had so far. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?
>>185316
I think a good compromise would be to have taken pictures before the surprise round, and let the previous ones go unphotographed
I think a good compromise would be to have taken pictures before the surprise round, and let the previous ones go unphotographed
>>185315
>Would you feel better if I just shortened the whole thing and reduced the number of combat events?
I mean, if it means getting to the next milestone so we can get our reward, level up, and make general progress, sure I guess.
I was going to recommend simply going around these monsters, but I thought the NPCs could be helpful to us.
>Would you feel better if I just shortened the whole thing and reduced the number of combat events?
I mean, if it means getting to the next milestone so we can get our reward, level up, and make general progress, sure I guess.
I was going to recommend simply going around these monsters, but I thought the NPCs could be helpful to us.
>>185315
>I don't think it's unreasonable for characters/players to have this tiniest of hoops to go through for what is probably thousands of bits.
The player of the character holding the camera wasn't present when we started the encounter.
>I don't think it's unreasonable for characters/players to have this tiniest of hoops to go through for what is probably thousands of bits.
The player of the character holding the camera wasn't present when we started the encounter.
>>185322
Sorry for undercutting, but so far every major ask Ive made has been precipitated by a lengthy explanation of why it makes motlre sense 'this way', and I feel the frustration of olayers ignoring plot hooks, potential rewards, and interactive content. Besides, there's still plenty to take photos of.
Speaking of, how much FILM does the camera have?
Sorry for undercutting, but so far every major ask Ive made has been precipitated by a lengthy explanation of why it makes motlre sense 'this way', and I feel the frustration of olayers ignoring plot hooks, potential rewards, and interactive content. Besides, there's still plenty to take photos of.
Speaking of, how much FILM does the camera have?
>>185326
Again, just to restate, I'm absolutely fine with the current pace of combat encounters if we get some potions to help us along. We're getting pretty banged up here.
Again, just to restate, I'm absolutely fine with the current pace of combat encounters if we get some potions to help us along. We're getting pretty banged up here.
>>185330
Without knowing what our crossroads decision will be it's hard to say, but ANOTHER common trope is the heroes getting fuckall for their troubles, in spite of saving the day countlessly. Look at Cowboy Bebop, its a gag how theyre always broke.
Without knowing what our crossroads decision will be it's hard to say, but ANOTHER common trope is the heroes getting fuckall for their troubles, in spite of saving the day countlessly. Look at Cowboy Bebop, its a gag how theyre always broke.
>>185330
I'm none to complain about the situation because Posey didn't take any damage, and because she has her own healing resources, but I can see other characters getting banged up around me and I can't do anything about it.
I'm none to complain about the situation because Posey didn't take any damage, and because she has her own healing resources, but I can see other characters getting banged up around me and I can't do anything about it.
If I may add my two cents to the matter. DnD has always stood out to me as a combat focused game. Puzzles and such exist, but when I think DnD I think of combat encounters and strategies. That's not to say I don't think other goals and a more investigative campaign style is fun, but if I'm playing DnD and a freak of nature appears my first thought isn't to catalogue it. My first throught is generally to kill it. Maybe if this was something like call of Cthulhu where my brain associated it with a different style of play that mental disconnect wouldn't exist, but also I'm retarded so take what I say with a grain of salt. But for me at the moment, I am playing a warrior with an objective to kill and save others from death.
I know for me, something like when a starfish first died, an offhand comment like "the body withers to dust, making it impossible to photograph for the mission report" or "as the body disintegrates, so does any hope of proving the creature's existence later" would have helped me to think about it. But like I said, milage may vary on the other players. However, I am what the french would call.... Les incompétents.
I know for me, something like when a starfish first died, an offhand comment like "the body withers to dust, making it impossible to photograph for the mission report" or "as the body disintegrates, so does any hope of proving the creature's existence later" would have helped me to think about it. But like I said, milage may vary on the other players. However, I am what the french would call.... Les incompétents.
>>185335
>what the french would call.... Les incompétents.
Pffft, Home Alone. Try something hard. Kidding/references aside, I agree. I understanf GM not wanting to.make it a minis-stratego hybrid, but flanking in 3.5e depends on 2 people being on opposite sides of an adversary, and I am okay with oekaki drawings of it will enable.me to better visualize what GM is trying to describe.
And its not to begrudge the descriptions, its that I dont want to have to ask questions that will delay progress
>what the french would call.... Les incompétents.
Pffft, Home Alone. Try something hard. Kidding/references aside, I agree. I understanf GM not wanting to.make it a minis-stratego hybrid, but flanking in 3.5e depends on 2 people being on opposite sides of an adversary, and I am okay with oekaki drawings of it will enable.me to better visualize what GM is trying to describe.
And its not to begrudge the descriptions, its that I dont want to have to ask questions that will delay progress
Final note to gm:
Im coming from the COMMODORE 64 text-based rpg days. I aint asking for fancy. Letters on a grid works fine for me
Im coming from the COMMODORE 64 text-based rpg days. I aint asking for fancy. Letters on a grid works fine for me
Just let the record reflect that Posey, and probably other players, want to fight less Ettins and outsiders
>>185345
No, I'm fine with fighting monsters. I would just also like rewards for doing so.
Also, corpses are fun
No, I'm fine with fighting monsters. I would just also like rewards for doing so.
Also, corpses are fun
>>185347
This. We might be able to arrange for a long rest, which is game changing for us AND GM in planning/story
This. We might be able to arrange for a long rest, which is game changing for us AND GM in planning/story
>>185347
Is whatever is on the equine enemies, plus whatever is on the ship, plus whatever can be wrangled out of the quest giver, plus the artifact and other objects already found, not enough?
Is whatever is on the equine enemies, plus whatever is on the ship, plus whatever can be wrangled out of the quest giver, plus the artifact and other objects already found, not enough?
>>185352
I just hope we get good rewards later. We won't know until the quest is finished, ergo time will tell.
I just hope we get good rewards later. We won't know until the quest is finished, ergo time will tell.
>>185354
The thing about GMs is, you dont always have to get the amazon overnight on your rewards. Sometimes they come in the form of well-stocked and permissive vendors
Let him cook
The thing about GMs is, you dont always have to get the amazon overnight on your rewards. Sometimes they come in the form of well-stocked and permissive vendors
Let him cook
I think people are misinterpreting my words as complaints. I'm fine with how things are going.
>>185320
Okay, so before this kicks off into a whole 'nother thing and derails the entire thread and game for another week, I'm just gonna come out and say stuff in my usual diplomatic way to hopefully help speed along the recovery process. GM pone is a bit upset with this post, he had a lot of cool stuff and encounters planned for this mission and I think saying you agreed with shortening the whole thing really made him sad and not want to continue today. Something tells me you don't actually want the whole thing shortened, so far the way Posey's been played it seems like you crave the challenge of combat and getting the chance to show off what Posey can do. My guess is that you just want to be able to level up so you can do cool necromancy stuff, and also maybe some money so you can buy and decorate your own personal lair.
Anyways, just coming out and saying it because I don't want this to spiral into another big issue and this is one of those situations where I think both parties just need to know what's actually going on to be able to talk and fix the problem.
Okay, so before this kicks off into a whole 'nother thing and derails the entire thread and game for another week, I'm just gonna come out and say stuff in my usual diplomatic way to hopefully help speed along the recovery process. GM pone is a bit upset with this post, he had a lot of cool stuff and encounters planned for this mission and I think saying you agreed with shortening the whole thing really made him sad and not want to continue today. Something tells me you don't actually want the whole thing shortened, so far the way Posey's been played it seems like you crave the challenge of combat and getting the chance to show off what Posey can do. My guess is that you just want to be able to level up so you can do cool necromancy stuff, and also maybe some money so you can buy and decorate your own personal lair.
Anyways, just coming out and saying it because I don't want this to spiral into another big issue and this is one of those situations where I think both parties just need to know what's actually going on to be able to talk and fix the problem.
>>185335
Agreed, a little detail goes a long way.
>>185377
The pacing so far is great and I'm sad that he's upset by apparent dissatisfaction. I think the players are just frustrated from a combination of factors including the specificity of the camera (I know the GM controlled Brie according to how he thought Brie would want to act, but the onus is still on him for neglecting the camera like everypony else), the loot not being flashy for a natural 20 (seems unfair but we're among a ragtag group in a long-ransacked village, but he could've gotten a grenade or something), and running low on resources (personally I like the attrition aspects and loot will be available elsewhere). Saying stuff we don't mean because of this frustration can throw off an attitude of ingratitude.
Agreed, a little detail goes a long way.
>>185377
The pacing so far is great and I'm sad that he's upset by apparent dissatisfaction. I think the players are just frustrated from a combination of factors including the specificity of the camera (I know the GM controlled Brie according to how he thought Brie would want to act, but the onus is still on him for neglecting the camera like everypony else), the loot not being flashy for a natural 20 (seems unfair but we're among a ragtag group in a long-ransacked village, but he could've gotten a grenade or something), and running low on resources (personally I like the attrition aspects and loot will be available elsewhere). Saying stuff we don't mean because of this frustration can throw off an attitude of ingratitude.
>>185377
Allow me to paraphrase. I speak for no one.
GM pone is more than upset with this post. Not only did it cast doubt onto what GM had going with player, it soiled his interest in involving with other players.
Having dkne simimlar and having length-ly addressed the causes and motiviations behind it - and explained to GM the etymology and everything including how not in future - allow me to suggest it in this case
Allow me to paraphrase. I speak for no one.
GM pone is more than upset with this post. Not only did it cast doubt onto what GM had going with player, it soiled his interest in involving with other players.
Having dkne simimlar and having length-ly addressed the causes and motiviations behind it - and explained to GM the etymology and everything including how not in future - allow me to suggest it in this case
Let me be clear. Im angry.
Im angry cuz Im not playing because of someone else. I threw alot of ahitfits, but I dont reca stalling the game.
Im angry cuz Im not playing because of someone else. I threw alot of ahitfits, but I dont reca stalling the game.
>>185380
>you stalled yesterday lol
[I]I fell asleep waiting to play cuz of the ame bullshit fucking distractions we've seen all.day!! Ask mr how I know! Its not rocket science, its diversionary awareness tactics. The question is whether its malicious or not.
>you stalled yesterday lol
[I]I fell asleep waiting to play cuz of the ame bullshit fucking distractions we've seen all.day!! Ask mr how I know! Its not rocket science, its diversionary awareness tactics. The question is whether its malicious or not.
Funny, the one player reaponsible for upsetti g the GM isnt present. Fucking convenient. After getting hours of direct dialogue.
>>185385
Again, not enabling. There's nothing enabling about explaining what the problem is to someone who might not even know there is a problem. We're all autistic here to at least some degree, and we all have problems at times picking up on the subtle social cues when there's an issue. When one crops up, the first and most important step in to solving a problem in the group is to ensure clear communication of the issue at hand, that way steps can be taken to fix it without it blowing up in our faces (again).
Again, not enabling. There's nothing enabling about explaining what the problem is to someone who might not even know there is a problem. We're all autistic here to at least some degree, and we all have problems at times picking up on the subtle social cues when there's an issue. When one crops up, the first and most important step in to solving a problem in the group is to ensure clear communication of the issue at hand, that way steps can be taken to fix it without it blowing up in our faces (again).
>>185386
But the problem te ds to supercede the precious
And the previous involves other players expressing their character intent
In so doing, one player can supercede the game
But the problem te ds to supercede the precious
And the previous involves other players expressing their character intent
In so doing, one player can supercede the game
>>185384
Well for one, he did say he's sick so we gotta cut him some slack for not being here kinda like I'm about to cut myself some slack for being sick and go to bed.
However, this is another stupid argument that we're gonna end up stalling the game even longer over. Kinda like every argument that ends up happening in this thread, but also I'm of the belief at this point that there is no thing as a good faith argument on the internet so maybe that skews my perception a bit.
Regardless, you got your honesty and you called it enabling.
Well for one, he did say he's sick so we gotta cut him some slack for not being here kinda like I'm about to cut myself some slack for being sick and go to bed.
However, this is another stupid argument that we're gonna end up stalling the game even longer over. Kinda like every argument that ends up happening in this thread, but also I'm of the belief at this point that there is no thing as a good faith argument on the internet so maybe that skews my perception a bit.
Regardless, you got your honesty and you called it enabling.
>>185389
>we gott cut slack
No. If bruh wanted slack, he coulda cut out early. Nah, he done. Fucknoff witb the "dindu" shit
>we gott cut slack
No. If bruh wanted slack, he coulda cut out early. Nah, he done. Fucknoff witb the "dindu" shit
>>185390
I'm not saying he didn't do anything you troglodyte. It's obvious he's said something that's offended GM whether intentionally or unintentionally, and I think everyone can acknowledge that. What I'm saying is you're getting all in a stink because he isn't here to 1v1 you because he's probably asleep is in bad faith. I get that you're pissed, and I'm sure this definitely won't be the last time we hear that you are, but holy shit calm down for once instead of making a tonne of rambling posts for fucks sake
I'm not saying he didn't do anything you troglodyte. It's obvious he's said something that's offended GM whether intentionally or unintentionally, and I think everyone can acknowledge that. What I'm saying is you're getting all in a stink because he isn't here to 1v1 you because he's probably asleep is in bad faith. I get that you're pissed, and I'm sure this definitely won't be the last time we hear that you are, but holy shit calm down for once instead of making a tonne of rambling posts for fucks sake
>>185392
>i'm not saying he didn't do anything you troglodyte. It's obvious he's said something that's offended GM whether intentionally or unintentionally, and I think everyone can acknowledge that. What I'm saying is you're getting all in a stink because he isn't here to 1v1 you because he's probably asleep is in bad faith. I get that you're pissed, and I'm sure this definitely won't be the last time we hear that you are, but holy shit calm down for once instead of making a tonne of rambling posts for fucks sake
You dont get it it. Its not that he feels entitled to belanor GM, its everyone else by proxy
>i'm not saying he didn't do anything you troglodyte. It's obvious he's said something that's offended GM whether intentionally or unintentionally, and I think everyone can acknowledge that. What I'm saying is you're getting all in a stink because he isn't here to 1v1 you because he's probably asleep is in bad faith. I get that you're pissed, and I'm sure this definitely won't be the last time we hear that you are, but holy shit calm down for once instead of making a tonne of rambling posts for fucks sake
You dont get it it. Its not that he feels entitled to belanor GM, its everyone else by proxy
>>185394
Really enjoying all the twenty dollar words. Mr. Grif said he couldn't even play tonight anyways, I don't think there really was an intention to play even if it wasn't for Posey. It's a Sunday night, and I know I at least have places to be tomorrow and I doubt I'm the only one.
Now I'm going to bed, and I suggest everyone do the same
Really enjoying all the twenty dollar words. Mr. Grif said he couldn't even play tonight anyways, I don't think there really was an intention to play even if it wasn't for Posey. It's a Sunday night, and I know I at least have places to be tomorrow and I doubt I'm the only one.
Now I'm going to bed, and I suggest everyone do the same
>>185396
I can play and I had later said I could. That said, I don't feel well either so staying up wouldn't be a wise decision.
Goodnight.
I can play and I had later said I could. That said, I don't feel well either so staying up wouldn't be a wise decision.
Goodnight.
>>185397
My apologies, I must have missed that message. I just remember the one where you said you wanted to do combat tonight cause you couldn't play tomorrow. I suppose I have made the boob of myself.
Good night, I hope you feel better than I do.
My apologies, I must have missed that message. I just remember the one where you said you wanted to do combat tonight cause you couldn't play tomorrow. I suppose I have made the boob of myself.
Good night, I hope you feel better than I do.
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