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>>187203
80% of the problems with Brie can be addressed with 100% of one player. Dont make me make this awkward, cuz awkward is ALL I have in my hand anymore

The quest had a pretty good momentum going for a while. Then that week before Christmas, on that Monday and especially the Tuesday after the last combat, Brie got pissy at Posey for... existing, I guess, and went on an unending diatribe. Just when I had hoped that Dark Star was posting and I could pay attention to him instead it was Posey deciding to spam the thread with endless "sneed spam." Because that's what we need. Spam. Just like the russian bot posts except 10+ posts while I'm at work rather than just one or two. Anyways, all of this drama happened while I was trying to work, and it damn near caused me to have a nervous breakdown. Basically I was put in the position of Skylar in this video. It got so bad that my parents asked me if I was okay when they saw me, as they heard me muttering "shut up" to myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RPoDvDVmwc&pp=ygUXc2h1dCB1cCBzaHV0IHVwIHNodXQgdXA%3D . After that I decided that I was going to play stellaris instead. But the problem with that is that Stellaris is very addictive, and when you start you can't easily stop. So the momentum was lost for those free days before Christmas, and then I was out of country for more than a week, and then work was hard last week, and basically I'm not back in the groove.

I really am unsure about quite a few decisions. Narrative, combat, how to handle things... It's easy for me to be demoralized. This is the first big quest since 2020, and the first multi person quest at all since 2022... Actually, I've had the idea since 2022... I don't know. I want things to go well, but don't always know how to do that.

So yes, I was upset when Brie's player is out of character criticizing another player for trying to actually play the game. And this is another thing. Brie loves to focus on what other players do and criticize them for it. Not in character. Sometimes it's valid and sometimes it isn't. Either way just shut the fuck up and let people play the game, Jesus. Focus on your own damn character and let Silver talk. It's not like I was going to force the whole group into combat at 10 PM anyways. What did you think would happen?

And then losing the millennial post... any time I looked at the thread and thought "maybe I should get back to it" I look at the thread, see that it's on the wrong number, and the enthusiasm just dies.

Also stop the fucking post spam. We're more than 1/10th of the way into this thread's miserable life already and nothing at all has happened. Holy hell

>>187076
>it's better if you articulate why you disagree with his point than imply that it's faulty without addressing why
No, and I'm not sorry. Sometimes an expression of emotion is really just an expression of emotion. Sometimes emotions just need to be expressed. The post just came off as rude and offensive in multiple parts. I know that because I was pissed off everything I read is going to be offensive, but with this player specifically this is a consistent issue. This player, every single night, wants to have some kind of correction "They wouldn't use American trucks" or "there should only be one cathedral in a city and not two" or "You can freeze to death at 40 degrees" (when I say that shivering was caused by mental degradation and not the cold) and this is so consistent that any time we play, I can expect that he'll post two+ hours after things have started, and there's going to be some sort of correction like that somewhere. Normally this is the kind of thing that I can just suffer but... Have you ever seen the film Falling Down? There's a thousand things that we all suffer every day in normal life, but after we've already snapped... You just feel like pulling a submachine gun at MacDonalds when they won't serve breakfast, or shooting a rocket launcher at the obvious make-work never-ending construction site. The tone he used really did piss me off, and I wasn't going to suffer it. Am I making any sense? No? Moving on.

Also, what was I to say to the substance of what he said? He made his point rather clearly. 1. He didn't think his character did anything wrong given how things were set up (Maybe it's on me for not including his in that category of 'character's that didn't piss me off', since I don't think he really did), and second and more importantly 2. He'd rather his character suffer any failure than have any correction. Okay. Fair enough. The only question left to be asked is, do others feel that way?

>>187183
>In terms of acceptability stealing ranks below killing party members.
This is retarded, and I don't care if you don't understand why this is retarded.

As for stealing the crown,
1. Posey has not demonstrated that she can be trusted with a cursed crown any more than Brie can with explosives or Silver with your daughter
2. After getting the crown, Posey then wanted to refuse to negotiate any kind of agreement where it counts as a decent potion of her share... really? She just expects to get it as pure profit for herself without the rest of the party getting something in compensation? My brother in Christ, this is how you get conspired against and stolen from by the party (You) stole the crown from
3. Posey would have no way to know how it was lost, as these things could absolutely fall out of the bag, be stolen by one of the ethereal jaunters, stolen by one of the non-ponies in the group, or any number of such sources. Anything to the contrary is just metagaming

Don't be a faggot and you won't be stolen from
>It's what my character would do!
Your character is about to be pickpocketed twice in the same day

>>187204
And will you shut the fuck up about how much you hate Posey. We get it. You hate Posey because reasons. You made that point 3 months ago. We understand. You've said that already. You've posted maybe already a thousand posts about how much you hate Posey. You've killed multiple threads saying it. Okay. We hear you. We've heard you. Now shut the fuck up. Jesus Christ.

>>187205
>Brie got pissy at Posey for... existing, I guess
Flagrantly reductive, but okay, not gonna take the bait.
>You hate Posey
Posey was one of my favorite people.i dont hate him, I dont know what the deal is honestly

This will be my last post on the matter. A bunch of months ago, I did something stupid. I do that, its usually oblivious and not malicious. But, I know me, so I own that I did something. That I'm not specifically aware of what it was MAY be a source of anon's ire. I never thought of him as an opponent until he dickrided Asuka in the discord. And since then, we have been at odds. And for what it's worth,... nevermind. I dont want to be at odds anymore

>>187207
>Posey was one of my favorite people.i dont hate him
You may feel that way, but to the rest of us it really feels like you despise his guts. Hell, I've personally felt you've been trying to run him off to be frankly honest.

>>187207
>Flagrantly reductive
I honestly and sincerely do not remember what it was that allegedly set you off that day. What I absolutely remember is your reaction to it, and then Posey’s reaction to your reaction (and insisting on doing it while I was trying to work) reducing me to such an exasperated state that it was actively harmful to my mental health, and I had to step away from the game and we still haven’t recovered from it.

Whatever valid critiques you may have, your reactions are consistently so excessive and annoying that whatever it was you had to say is entirely lost on outside observers, who just want you to stop. Have you read any version of Romeo and Juliet? That story isn’t about the subtle nuances of the Guelph and Gihboline conflict and the history of the feud and why we should be invested in it, it’s about how greatly the conflict has exceeded its initial causes to the degree those reasons no longer matter.

>>187208
>Dickrided Asuka in the discord
Neither Asuka nor discord has anything to do with my game at all. This fight reminds me of how, many years ago when I was in school, Israelis and Palestinians would get into literal fights on campus. All I could think is “why are they even in my country? Go fight each other in Israel.”
I don’t care if he fucked your boyfriend or whatever he did out of game. That has nothing to do with my game and neither I, nor but other player besides the two of you care. Go fight him on discord. Go fight him on Roll 20 or min max.net or one of those other games he’s in or go over to his house with a giant boom box for all I care, just stop interrupting my game to fight him.

https://youtu.be/x7-165hJAis?si=Dhy53YzJC88XLWqB

None of this is an argumen
>>187210
>I've personally felt you've been trying to run him off to be frankly honest
I can see how it might seem that way. Ive felt hes been enabled to try and run me off this whole time, to the tacit acceptance of everyone else.
>I dont remember what he did that day
I do
>excessive and annoying
When you get to the point where you're using explosives to stop a wildfire,...
>neother Asuka nor discord
Its all the same people
>Stop
I'm trying ;_;

>>187205
>Posey deciding to spam the thread with endless "sneed spam."
I was doing that because Brie's player was randomly kvetching and making cryptic, vaguely-threatening posts and then deleting them, and otherwise trying to bait my engagement.
Maybe it wasn't the best response, but it's what I would do in any other context.
>I was upset when Brie's player is out of character criticizing another player for trying to actually play the game. And this is another thing. Brie loves to focus on what other players do and criticize them for it. Not in character. Sometimes it's valid and sometimes it isn't. Either way just shut the fuck up and let people play the game, Jesus. Focus on your own damn character and let Silver talk.
This.
>Don't be a faggot and you won't be stolen from
If my character is stolen from, am I supposed to just not respond? What would you do?
Remember what Posey said to Mala about not descending into barbarism? This is what causes that.
>3. Posey would have no way to know how it was lost, as these things could absolutely fall out of the bag
There is only one available character who is a self-described thief, and even if that's not set in stone, she wouldn't just give up on it.
>Anything to the contrary is just metagaming
She'd kill the most obvious candidate, and if that didn't work she'd move onto the next one and/or make their corpses say where her equipment is. She would not just give up.
>Posey then wanted to refuse to negotiate any kind of agreement where it counts as a decent potion of her share
I didn't say that.
>She just expects to get it as pure profit for herself without the rest of the party getting something in compensation?
I didn't say that either.
Nobody else even said they wanted the crown. Nobody else asked to keep it. Posey has the Tiara just like Kira has her pearl necklace.
>get conspired against and stolen from by the party (You) stole the crown from
If this happens, I will respond however I deem is appropriate.
>Your character is about to be pickpocketed twice in the same day
If he pickpockets me, so help me god I will kill him and anypony who gets in my way of killing him.
If you don't like that, you can just throw me out of the game right now, because I absolutely won't tolerate him stealing from me. I could tolerate all his other bullshit, but that is not something that I am going to compromise on. It makes me livid. I would not be able to continue playing in good faith knowing that he has stolen something from my character.
>>187210
>I've personally felt you've been trying to run him off to be frankly honest
I feel that way too, and tbh if it weren't for completing the quest I might've left already. I really dislike having to interact with him, which is why I have stopped interacting with him altogether for the past two months. I don't meme at him. I don't reply to him. I don't bother him. I don't antagonize him. I don't even read his posts. I have held up my end of the deal not to bother him, but he has not done the same.
>>187212
>do not remember what it was that allegedly set you off that day
It was calling his character cute and posting cute bat pony pics. That's literally it.
>reducing me to such an exasperated state that it was actively harmful to my mental health, and I had to step away from the game and we still haven’t recovered from it.
I'm sorry bro...
>your reactions are consistently so excessive and annoying that whatever it was you had to say is entirely lost on outside observers
He also has the tendency to delete what he posts after about ~30 minutes (long enough for people to see it) to avoid the consequences of his actions.
>Asuka
Who the fuck is Asuka, and why does that matter?
See, this is part of what bugs me: he keeps dragging unsolicited off-site drama into this game. I didn't ask for that. He's done this dozens if not hundreds of times.

>>187215
>Nobody else even said they wanted the crown
Not true
Leaving the rest, trying to stop.

>>187215
Dude, I’m saying that if you just don’t be a faggot with cursed items like the crown and with loot in general then I’m not going to let anyone steal from your character. Jesus Christ, chill. You hate stealing so much that you decided to DM a character out of nothing just so she could successfully steal from you. We get it. Calm down. Take a Valium if you have to.

>>187205
>This player, every single night, wants to have some kind of correction "They wouldn't use American trucks" or "there should only be one cathedral in a city and not two" or "You can freeze to death at 40 degrees" (when I say that shivering was caused by mental degradation and not the cold) and this is so consistent that any time we play, I can expect that he'll post two+ hours after things have started, and there's going to be some sort of correction like that somewhere.
I'm sorry. I can see why being so pedantic, especially in public, can be exhausting to someone else. I'll just roll with your descriptions, and if I really think there is a bad discrepancy then I'll privately mention it. Being a nagging editor is just unfun.

>>187213
>Ive felt hes been enabled to try and run me off this whole time, to the tacit acceptance of everyone else.
Don't misrepresent us. I won't get into the drama of it but we did stand up for you at the time and it's irritating that you forgot this, since apparently you cannot forget the grudge itself.

>>187215
>She'd kill the most obvious candidate, and if that didn't work she'd move onto the next one and/or make their corpses say where her equipment is. She would not just give up.
sigh
>Nobody else even said they wanted the crown. Nobody else asked to keep it. Posey has the Tiara just like Kira has her pearl necklace.
The party consensus was that the crown was too dangerous to be entrusted to any one pony, and that we would ensure its safe storage, study or destruction after the mission. Amidst different counterproposals Cavaliere wanted Mala to hold onto the tiara because he seems trustworthy enough. We only very reluctantly allowed Posey to have it AFTER retconning Posey putting it on, and mainly because we just wanted to get on with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXE8LdXzeHM
>If you don't like that, you can just throw me out of the game right now, because I absolutely won't tolerate him stealing from me. I could tolerate all his other bullshit, but that is not something that I am going to compromise on. It makes me livid. I would not be able to continue playing in good faith knowing that he has stolen something from my character.
Stealing from another player is enough of a grey area that I am okay with not allowing it, I guess. Posey notably did not have that reaction to a NPC pickpocket; however, the money is worth much less to her.

>>187218
>Posey notably did not have that reaction to a NPC pickpocket
See >>178141 →

>>187215
Dude, he has been leaving you and your character alone, both in and out of character. What has there been since Christmas? Nothing, I think, or even for the week before then. Then when he made that post you decided to empty your pockets of spaghetti, cast it upon the ground, point a finger, issue a fatwa against Brie and his player, and scream "I'll kill you! I'll kill you! I'll kill you!" I wish I were exaggerating that last part, that's what you did.

For God's sake, your character was never stolen from, Reread Brie's post. He's saying "I had this idea two months ago. I've decided not to go through with it because I don't care any more." He's posting about it because it didn't happen and he's abandoned the intent to do so, and he believes that being open about this former plot will help him on his growth. It didn't happen. If it had, he wouldn't be openly posting about it.

As you yourself have pointed out, PvP is banned, and stealing is a type of PvP. No theft from a player can happen without my say so and I never said so. He came up with the idea and messaged me about it on Discord in November two or three days after the cursed crown fiasco happened. At that time I was seriously questioning if it was right for Posey to take the crown at all, and the incident was still fresh. He messaged me while I was in a museum in Delft in the Netherlands. The only thing I had to say was to comment on how his character did not have maxed-out sleight of hand, when even a joke NPC character I made had max sleight, and meanwhile I went on to read about Willem of Orange's leading of the Dutch revolt in Delft, and about how the first European knock offs of Chinese porcelain were made in Delft. I never said "yeah, this happened."

Your reaction yesterday was on the scale to make Brie look like the reasonable, non-spergy one who can control his emotions and doesn't get triggered easily. Read the room. Silver - the most levelheaded and inert of the entire set of players here - posted to tell you that Brie has actually improved pretty significantly over the last few weeks, and please don't start more drama because you'll just piss off GM and stop us from playing. Read >>187218 where all he can say is sigh. For God's sake, you sound like a Muslim when someone draws a cartoon about Mohammed. No one has stolen your non-existent item. Calm down. Go outside. Pet a dog. I don't know. Do whatever you need to get over this slight that never happened.

And there's that time that you were upset that I was out meeting with a friend and my family to eat dinner, while Posey was on hold as I was trying to get the party together, so you DMed your own solo encounter. You created a character to pickpocket Posey, and predicably, Posey lost that encounter and got pickpocketed. You expect all of us to take your hypersensitivity to your character being stolen from seriously after that? That would be like a Muslim drawing a comic of Muhammed being drawn in a comic... including actually drawing the panel of Muhammed in his own comic... Then within the universe of the comic strip Gert Wilders or Trump gets elected and all muslims get deported. Are we supposed to assume that that Muslim hates depictions of the Prophet Muhammed and will go full Charlie Hebdo on anyone who does?

>>187218
>it's irritating that you forgot this
I havent forgotten, thats not not even accurate

>>187220
Okay, I overreacted. I'm sorry. I'm done with the matter.

>You expect all of us to take your hypersensitivity to your character being stolen from seriously after that?
Yes, I do.
Rolling a random encounter table against myself and losing 100 gp is not the same as another PC taking a magic item. That's like saying because you blew 100 dollars at a casino you would tolerate your neighbor stealing your car.
And if Posey ever met that same pony that I randomly generated again, she would kill her on site.
>What has there been since Christmas? Nothing
He tends to delete his posts right after he makes them.
>you sound like a Muslim
Idk, amputation for theft is low-key based.

I delete my posts because later on I see what Ive written and feel shitty. I'm not trying to avoid accountability, Im trying to clean up the pee puddles I sometimes leave around

>>187223
>again?
Im trying to put around 5-10 minutes between my posts
But anyway, this bears clarification.
Yes, I shitpost and then delete it, because the thread doesnt need any more shitposts but I "have a really good one", and cant resist. The irrelevant and unnecessary posts I delete quickly. The adversarial and belligerent posts I try to delete when I have come back later and realized I expressed myself poorly, am unintentionally escalating, or otherwise being destructive.

>>187215
>Spamming is what I would do in any other context
Maybe on 4chan, Roll20, Giants in the Playground, and the myriad discord servers you’re in, the administrators and game masters just love seeing you spam on their respective websites and appreciate that you do that instead of alerting them and letting them handle it. But this is my thread, my game, and my website. And here, do not spam. You see how I constantly bitch at Brie for making innumerable small posts, and unlike you, he isn’t intentionally trying to disrupting the experience for everyone else. You are. Even the constant stream of Cyrillic bot spam at least has the defense that 1. It’s only one or two posts at a time, and 2. They are presumably trying to advertise drywall in Cornwall, or boost Google metrics, unlike what you do which is intentionally destroy the thread. You have told the rest of us that we must respect your hypersensitivity to your character being stolen from without debate or qualification, even though the rest of us see it as either morally grey or moderately annoying, and that if your character is stolen from you will kill every member of the party until you find the stolen item, endlessly kill the PCs of the responsible player, and or quit the game, and we must accept this. Will you please respect in kind that spamming (and wasting of the millennial gets) is one of my triggers that I absolutely despise?

If you spam again, so help me God, I will unleash such terrible vengeance upon Posey that you will reee until Judgement Day. First, a swarm of gypsies will descend upon Posey like locusts from the heavens. And they will take her saddlebag and pickpocket her. But it won’t be that simple, oh no. First, they will ask Posey to sign their petitions, then they would do the “accidental bump into,” then they would have a child annoyingly do some stupid dance as a distraction, and annoy her with all kind of nonsense. Then Posey would receive magical messengers telling her that her UPS package would not be delivered unless she inserted her credit card information. Then she’d receive a letter from her master in Magehold telling her that she’s been laid off from her position as an apprentice mage and replaced with an HB1 Visa worker from Hindia, then another letter from a court telling her that squatters have occupied whatever property she claims as hers, including both the cottage and the catacombs, and the State has given it to the squatters per adverse possession doctrine, and then another letter informing her that Gloomy has been taken by CPS, and then stilll another letter from the Revenue Service telling her she owes back taxes on all of the loot she has acquired. If she has a cart or vehicle, or hell, even Mason’s car, it will have its catalytic converter stripped by zebras and will be broken into to steal any coins or firearms. Her cottage will be burgled by addicts and any items she had their stolen (these burglars will also steal from the squatters, for what it’s worth. Then she will receive a call from Elijah Goldstein of First Zion Global Bank, telling her that she’s being charged an overdraft fee after her Nord VPN subscription fee, and her purchase from and membership in Sam’s Club, put her below zero. And no, Posey has never had any association of any kind with Sam’s Club. After all of this is accomplished, that dreads bat pony, the one who stole from her before, will sneak up behind her and whisker in her ear “thank you for your contribution to the Bat Pony Defense League. She will then turn herself in to a nearby police officer, who will laugh and tell her that they don’t prosecute minor thefts in Baltimare anymore. Then the police officer will arrest Posey on a warrant for not paying a fee on an unleashed dog charge (her “puppies”). If after all of this, Posey choses to give up on her crusade and enter merciful oblivion, any new character would find that, to their horror, they have inherited Posey’s student loans - because not even in death do the student loans end. Don’t spam my thread

>>187226
Okay I won't sneedpost anymore.

>>187226
>my website
Woah, wait. You're Elway? Cool. Though while I have you here, you must admit that what you call "soccer" is actually the real football, you know the sport were the majority of the time the players are touching the ball with their feet, not their hands. Just putting it out there. Maybe you should make petition to have the name changed. ^^

>The rest
+1 for creativity. I chuckled. ^^

>>187232
Pupper owns the site, not Elway.

>>187233
Thank you. I was just joking. ^^

Uhm, in that posession is 9/10ths of the law, and in that my posts absolutely dominate both the recent posts, threads, and the percentage of posts for the last few months, its MY board Xp

>>187232
>S***er
…

OOOOOONE MILLION YEARS DUNGEON!
No trial! Straight to the dungeon!
https://youtu.be/krHMzFIpTlg?si=PX58zHZCRp9d-e7h

>>187226
Oh, I forgot to add that if Posey spams I’ll have her stallion stolen by another white mare with a thicker ass.

>>187232
Hey, I have a potential idea that requires Virgin Flame to seduce or kidnap Dust

>>187235
Screeches

>>187237
I RESENT BEING USED AS A BARGAINING CHIP

Do I really spam that much? Sneedposting was a one-off thing.

>>187238
YOU’RE NOT A BARGAINING CHIP! YOU’RE LOOT! Now stand still so Vir can put the bag over you!

>>187239
Honestly, you dont. Honestly, Im a hypersensitive fuck that sometimes simply cant handle the bantz. Honestly, I'm sorry for everything, and if I was intuiting, I think GM ending on "stop sneeding" is an attempt to conclude with an otherwise dismissible issue, so we can get back to what we came here for.

>>187240
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>187245
I mean, he's literally Dust. How valuable can dust be

>>187247
In 3.5e, the price of a slave is the slave's CR squared, times 100 gp. A character with class levels has a CR equal to their level. A character with an NPC class has a CR equal to their level minus 1 (or a fraction of that, if lvl 1).

Dust's base slave/ransom value is about 3,600 gp, since he's a lvl 6 Cleric (CR 6). He could go for more, depending on the buyer who wanted something specific, if you were buying from (((neogi))) who would try to extract extra value from the buyer. He probably wouldn't sell for anything above 3600 gp on the Thayan slave market (which is similar to what they would have going on in Magehold).
A Necromancer would probably pay no more than 50-100 gp for his corpse, unless that Necromancer could cast Create Undead and benefit from his class levels, in which case they could be persuaded to pay about half his cost as a living slave, but only if the seller/body-snatcher is aware of this fact.

Assuming Dust weighs as much as a 500 pound Zebra, he's worth about 50-100 gp in meat. This is relevant if you wanted to boil a giant pot of Zebras to summon Dalmosh, in which case it would take about 100 Zebras to call him.
(It's easier if you use fell-animate Cloudkill on a village, and then command the resulting zombies to boil themselves. Dalmosh isn't a picky eater)

His organs (eyes, heart, brain, etc) could sell for maybe another 5 gp, if sold to a caster interested in using them as spell components. Humanoid body parts are worth very little 3.5e, probably to discourage players from going full cyberpunk and trying to sell the eyes of every goblin they kill.

>>187247
There's value in defiance,....

And yes, I shared a number of unkind words to Silver. Givr him an inspiration point ffs

The fun/exploitablr part about taking a 20 is that youre volunteering to fail any other check for the duration of the 20 skill action.
So, in order to not ruin what he's doing with the bomb, he would have to auto-fail a dexterity check, listen checks, spot checks,....

You can't take 20 when disarming a bomb. Taking 20 assumes you failed the check several times before succeeding it.
>Taking 20 means you are trying until you get it right, and it assumes that you fail many times before succeeding. Taking 20 takes twenty times as long as making a single check would take.
It means failing up to 19 times in a row before succeeding by statistic inevitability.

>>187277
Oh contraire. Taking a 20 means A. You arent in a timecrunch/battle situation and B. You're taking all the necessary time to do your absolute best work at the exclusion of all other skills and faculties for the necessary period which technically is 20 rounds, but because its a high explosive I would COMMIT 20 MINUTES

20 minutes being 200 rounds

>>187278
No. You are confusing it with taking 10. Taking 20 means rolling again until you inevitably succeed, but sparing the spamrolls.
>"I keep pounding at the door until it breaks. It will give eventually."
Taking 20 is basically "if at first you don't succeed, try try again".

Taking 10 means doing something carefully so you get an average roll. You do this when your modifier is high enough to succeed on a 10, but not high enough to succeed below 10.
>"I take time to disarm this deadly trap, not leaving anything to chance."
Taking 10 is doing something carefully.

It's written very clearly in the SRD. Go read it. You can't take 20 on a check where the consequences of failure would kill you. Or rather, you CAN take 20, but you would just kill yourself before you succeeded.

>>187280
If GM wants me to roll, I'll roll

>>187281
Maybe check if your modifier is high enough to succeed on a 10 before you blow yourself up.

>>187282
Dont worry, I got this ^_~
Taking a 20 when you have a 10 modifier means you can take a 10 as many times as it takes to get a 20 numbnuts

Brie has a 12 btw

>>187283
Look at the source material again and site the passage for taking 20. Read it carefully.

Taking 20 assumes failing multiple times. It's clearly written as such

>>187285
And if GM asks me to roll, I WILL. Rosey already ran off out of the blast range

>>187284
If your modifier is 12, and you would succeed on a 22, you could take 10 without issue.

Even if your modifier were 9001, you would still blow yourself up if you took 20. Taking 20 guarantees failure the first several times.

>>187286
You are misunderstanding how taking 20 works.

>>187286
>disarming a bomb
Technically speaking, Brie isnt disarming the bomb. He is attempting to not activate the bomb while harvesting the explosives for later use. Important distinction.

>>187288
And you care too much for published rules

>>187289
That still results in the bomb going off if you fail, so taking 20 would just set off the bomb.

>>187291
Then apparently Brie simply hasnt blown up yet, cuz hes well committed to motion

>>187290
Weren't you just taking about the "exploitable" rules in this post right here >>187276

I'm only correcting you because what you're about to do threatens to blow up the entire plane.
You're a rogue: Learn how skillchecks work.

>>187293
Yes, your opinion has been noted. Yes, it is technically "according to published material" more correct.
As I have and will continue to do so, displayed that the generality of the published.material is insufficient, less than well resourced, and subject to refinement, I have faith in GM to adjudicate fairly, including if he decides that whoopsie game over for Brie. If you have any more comments about it, please forward them to GM.
And if youre GM playkng possum (doubtful), then I think this is the most reasonable way I could manage this.

After all, the torpedo was Silver's idea

Let me explain further why I am confident in GM. I have detailed pages of plans and aspirations for Brie, Lacey, other characters, for missions and game sessions. He knows I am committed to making the game fun for everyone, inasmuch as I can.
And in that the torpedo was another player's idea that I as a player was trying to make amends with, I do very much doubt he will blow Brie's face off.

And, that you want to see it happen anyway is also noted. This is my final post on the matter ^_^

I missed the related exchange, but somehow I intuit it went a little like this
https://youtube.com/shorts/y4MAtleTvJ0?si=klVYv-TQGDZh4MWV

Attempting to phrase this as delicately as possible.

WotC published THEIR rules for DnD. Im not interested in playing THEIR DnD

And for clarification, pages of aspirations and intentions are NOT intended to validate or justify ANYTHING. GM has learned to reveal nothing and comment little.
Having said, what I mean to emphasize is that,... well gosh darn it I didnt think that going with Silver's idea (admitting taking a 20 was on me, but I'll re-emphasize my "20 minutes not 20 rounds, taking a 10 until its a high enough roll?" idea right now. K.
Point being, I am not in the habit of accidentally blowing up my characters, and I wouldnt have even bothered with the torpedo at all without concincing. Im especially not in the habit of doing so when planning years worth of aspirations that simply aren't *possible* without his survival. Sure you could say my bad, and if GM does I'll take it. But how about we stop trying to cite rules to get eachother killed maybe?

I don't believe you understand the broader balance implications of removing the limitations for taking 20 on skill checks.

>>187315
You may be right, and allow me to emphasize A. It's not something I would ever have done outside of these circumstances, specitic to context both in-game and out. B. Its ABSOLUTELY not something I would entertain EVER with an explosive, appreciating the e3.5 specifics. Without intending to excuse fault, this isnt the first time that previous/later edition concepts have led me awry. Taking a 20 USED to be the skill check equivalent of a ritual cast spell, where even if you dont have a slot you can cast it. THATS what I meant when I said taking a 20, fully expecting 20 minutes from the outset, cuz you sacrifice time for finesse.
C. Im vociferously against the rule being interpreted as I have attempted to going forward and am REALLY (i mean reeeeeeealllyy) at GM's mercy on this one

>>187290
But while reemphasizing this, I will make playfull illiterations about how you MIGHT say that Brie is facefirst with a giant pile of "Does GM want to ruin my day, and potentially everyone else's?", which I have been going to great (dude) lengths to ensure that even if Im not playing right now, I'm seeking that his answer to that question is "No".
So while GM may want to explode all over Brie's face, this is not the correct context.

>>187316
>Without intending to excuse fault, this isnt the first time that previous/later edition concepts have led me awry
Read the PHB.
Or the SRD. It's all available online.
>Taking a 20 USED to be the skill check equivalent of a ritual cast spell, where even if you dont have a slot you can cast it. THATS what I meant when I said taking a 20, fully expecting 20 minutes from the outset, cuz you sacrifice time for finesse.
Where is this written? I don't see it in the 2e books.
I don't think that's how ritual casting worked in 2e either. 2e had advanced ritual casting, which is more similar to 3.5e incantations.
>C. Im vociferously against the rule being interpreted as I have attempted to going forward
Then why would you do it now, instead of just taking 10 normally?

What you are asking for is the benefits of taking 10, with a net +10 modifier.

>>187317
You could also just not do it, if you found out the thing you were trying to do didn't make sense in the first place.

>>187319
[I]And I am quite confident that GM will recognize this as an ILL intended consequence (unlike the time Rosey deliberatrly out the crown on) of a good faith attempt to enable other players to make their own plans and tactics, and your incessant insistance that this blow up in everyone's face could not be more apparent.
Tl;dr. I get it, it was a poor decision. I know it, he knows it, you know it. End of fucking story.

>>187316
It's not set in stone, and ignorance of this rule is reason enough to retcon the action. Brie could instead take 10, or if that won't cut it past the check then he could just stop before accidentally blowing himself up.

>>187321
This.

Or we could just decide that the rest of us are away from the plane while he disarms the bomb, which is what we should do anyway because we don't even know what the skill DC is yet.

>>187323
>the rest are away from the bomb
Nonononono, Brie started this well before ANYPONE was clear.
If this goes off, happy trails fren

>>187321
What about "Let GM decide" is so hard to grasp?

>>187324
Well, the implications of a failed check don't begin until the check is complete, and it should take at least a few minutes to make the check, so the rest of us have time to leave.

>>187326
Interesting. A moment ago you were emphatic about it being a default auto fail.
Wonder what changed

>>187327
Nothing changed. Those circumstances are not mutually exclusive.
>>187324
Talking is a free action, and all we did was talk. We have plenty of time to leave the vehicle.

>>187328
You seem awfully confident of what GM will decide. Or worried, I suppose. I have faith. ^_^

>>187321
>ignorance of this rule is reason enough to retcon the action
This
It would be like if I cast Lesser Planar Ally (takes 10 minutes to cast), but then I found out before the ally appeared that I don't actually know the spell lesser planar ally, so in that case the results of the spell wouldn't be revealed and we just wouldn't know what creature the deity sends because it didn't happen.
>>187329
I didn't say that.

>>187330
How badly do you want this to go off? Be honest?

Fyi, Im about to start getting creative with what things will shut you up about this, for the last tine let GM decide.

>>187332
>Im about to start getting creative
What is that supposed to mean?

I doubt Rosey knows enough about torpedoes to know to vacate the area tbh, that looks like metafagging

>>187335
Posey knows what a bomb is.

>>187336
Debatable. She may be familiar with the bombs in a conceptual sense, but you'd likely have to make a case (or a knowledge check) for her knowledge of state-of-the-art military-grade weaponry

Meanwhile, Brie sometimes smuggles these, and would know inherently whether or not he could even attempt to extract the torpedo's explosives, whichnis yet another layer to my faith

>>187337
Part of Posey's mission is surveying and analyzing the military capabilities of this continent to form magical countermeasures to conquer it. She knows a bomb when she sees one.
>>187338
>would know inherently
Do you have ranks in the relevant knowledge skill? If not, you would know just as much as I do. There is no reason why I should have to roll a check if you don't

>>187342
>+12
I dunno, does he? His background sure justifies it

>>187342
>Posey's mission
Oooh, and I'm sure she's been at it for a super-long period of time ^_^
Unlike Brie, who would have decades of experience in and around this type of thing. Keep arguing, Ill just keep.making you look dumb

>>187345
She's been preparing for this mission for literal decades, studying and making petitions to earn the privilege of being the one responsible with conquering Equestria, in addition to her prior military service on the Arcturian front.
Posey using archaic weapons like swords and bows is an ideological choice, not from lack of familiarity with modern weapons.
>>187343
Disable Device is not a knowledge skill.
>His background sure justifies it
So does mine.

>>187346
Good. Then we can wait for GM to decide, like Ive been saying ^_^

>>187348
It's not really relevant to the earlier discussion.
Whatever.

I liked it better when you two were not talking to each other....

>>187363
Sigh. Okay. Ive been trying to keep it constructive but if thats how (you) feel then I will oblige.

In exchange, I dont want to fucking hear it. If you dont think what Im doing works, tell GM and fuck off from me. Deal?
*extended hoof*

>>187391
Im kidding. As I indicated, this wasnt a request. It was a barter. ^_^

>>187398
And no, thats NOT an invitation to bombard GM with "I dont agree with this". You know who Im talking to

>>187092
>That is one of the few thing I know that will cheer him up. There has been a dearth of it in the game lately, and I don't think it's a coincidence.
The game had one instance of sex in 2024, and only one: Silver and Jubilosa, some time around July. There was one and only one instance in 2023, Posey and August around about October. In 2022, the last instance of sex for Silver before 2024 was around March. The final instance of sex with Amber was in the January of 2022 - three years ago. Dark Star’s last instance was in 2021.

>>187446
Okay. I'll make you another deal. Ill figure out how to detail Brie and Lacey sex
Are you interested? This is also a barter

>>187447
By "figure out" I mean "how to do it aesthetically and artfully, but also in a way I (probably?) Am not gonna feel.embarrassed about tomorrow"

>whats with you and barter all of a sudden
Well, the RP contract isnt in effect, I'm covering my bases and efforts. My good graces arent free after all.
Ebracing Lacey's spirit, while also giving everyone a free look into what's to come

Alright. Fuck it. Flashback time, yes

>approximately 6-7 years ago
>Not sure yet. But this is live so Im going with 7 cuz its a good number
Brie is his,... benefactor's,... up and coming assistant, on a venture in Everfree.
The Night court is like menzoberranzan (iykyk) with dozens of multi-layered, very detailed hierarchies of families, and political groups,... you have to be into that to really get the nuance, which Brie isnt (Lacey is).
In any case, during a routine 'product transfer'... thats when they met. At first.

When he first SAW her was weeks before, and his mentor deliberately and expressely said "Watch out for them" discouragingly. But that was when she also first saw him. And, without any reservations she waled boldly up to him (to the chagrine of her bodyguard, cuz shes still an easily hostageable minor at this point [sppiler]foreshadowing
I was saying. She boldly and defiantly (theres a subtext with her defiance of many family rules and expectations) walked up to him, smelled him (somewhat aggressovely if Im being honest), looked (slightly knowingly) in his eyes, and walked off without a word, to the very disapproving looks of her bodyguard. Dont worry, he'll be dead soon.

>formatting errors
Eh, yiu get what I was trying for

Lacey of the Row family is not your ordinary girl, and not just cuz her family has those funny eyes. Theres a steeped tradition going back several hundred years, if there ever is cause to go to that level of detail.
For now, rest with the knowledge that she is technically speaking, the sole and exclusive heir to a traditional family of bats who have generationally been involved in balck market shenanigen and chicanery.

Back to (flashback) present. When Brie was pfficially INTRODUCED to Lacey, that happened a few werks later, when a rivals organization decided it would be an apt business move yo try and kidnap the sole heir of the Row family.

(If you arent intuiting that this ends with a sex scene with some awkward questions about consent,... i mentioned stunning fist already)

>>187456
Anyway, and yes Ill stop for now, thats when Lacey got HWR CM, while he was incapacitated, erect, inside her, and helpless

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>>187459
Yep. Not much to do late at night other than think. Theyre in a row, so just pretend its one big effort post