This thread is meant to debunk the deranged idea that our realm is a planet floating in space.
If the so called established science can't be challenged, then it's not science, but religion.
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>>163368>music and psychologYou don't qualify to evaluate even physics 101. That said, read a book nigger.
>>163369Oh, thays just college. That is what you said, college.
I got my engineering creds - which people actually pay me money for, enough to have employees, no less - from a trade school. But, accredation is an appeal to authority argument, and has no bearing on the discussion.
And speaking of no bearing on the discussion, in an ironic parallel to ITT, here's the latest Flat Earth Fridays!
Credit, I was oblivious to Sci Man Dan until this thread showed up https://youtu.be/2huZYKlAdVQ >>163370>Sci DanThat paid shill together with all NASA spoke persons won't debate Eric Dubay. There has to be a reason for them not to take that golden opportunity to shame and discredit the Flat Earth poster boy.
Interestingly, the same scenario applies to holohoax propagandists who always decline to debate holohoax debunkers.
>>163376>Flatty's cannot dispute this.Interesting details. And yet heliocentrism is not holding water, the announced curve cannot be found, then the globe is a fantasy.
>>163376As usual, surely Globebuster made an answer video to the glober. Videos of answer and counter-answers (polemic) populate jew-tube. By posting that Sci-fi Dan video, you are posting a partial view on the subject.
Take in count that OP refrains from posting this kind of crap and sticks to the facts.
>>163379>sci fi danNgl, thats hilarious, cuz its not wrong. Still, this is the flat earth thread so this is where such content applies, whether in support or in contest of flat earth
ahem theory. Gives an idea, actually; youll see.
>based nasaponr https://youtu.be/zixc8eojZdgHeres a 25 minute video showing the very slow process of a distant supertanker deacending over the horizon.
Pay specific attention to how OP reacts to yet more incontravertable visual evidence of curvature
Recommended at 2x speed
>>163017Because the sensors are square. But the lens does add barrel distortion, it's just slight enough in most cases that you don't notice it. In 3D renders people add in fake distortion to make it look more realistic
Actual photo of a straight building
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SpyTP7rdwv6N-cA9VToYfBIS8yj6lg5Py2XfOeo488Q/edit#slide=id.g141444f9b3_1_251>>163365The reasoning for this could be as simple as the winds being strong or them not wanting to risk having a problem while being in the middle of nowhere to land. But I'm guessing there's also some economy to it, since flights aren't always simple A to B but can have people going to multiple different destinations and if you go a path that's close to many others you can make dropoffs for all of those places, and load on new passengers, places probably more worthwhile than Africa
How do you explain flight paths being curved most of the time? Including, yes, when they do actually go from Africa to South America or Australia
If you flattys get some flat earth bitch to suck my cock I might start shilling for it.
>>163507And yet, this realm is flat.
>>163508Rude
>>163509It could be for a price, until then it's round.
>>163511The Burden of Proof is on (you) by the way don't just say "Hurr Look at da thread"
People in the middle ages didn't even believe it's flat.
>>163512>People in the middle ages didn't even believe it's flat.Not true.
What you call "people" were a bunch of freemason satanists spouting kabbala teachings. Heliocentrism is opposed to the our natural senses and is debunked by experimentation.
Real "people" from before and after the middle ages knew Earth is flat.
>>163513Why would freemasons waste so many resources from the middle ages up until the present trying to convince everyone that the planet we are on is flat?
>>163515>meme arrow instead of just telling me>linking to a 30 minute video without timestampsC'mon you gotta do better than that if you want to convince me.
>>163516>B-but.. why?>linking to a 30 minute video without timestampsI knew it. You won't do any research whatsoever.
>>163517>More meme arrows instead of just telling me why the masons would waste their most precious recourses on perpetuating a scam on a global magnitudeYou know. if I asked some /pol/ack why jews do what they do he could give me a straight answer
>>163518>if I asked some /pol/ack why jews do what they do he could give me a straight answerSadly I can't give you a pol/ack answer, it is forbidden by rule #7.
>>163522Hardly when it is you who won't research and choose to parrot heliocentric falsehoods.
>>163513>mideval freemasonsPlease, PLEASE attempt to validate this point, I beg (you).
>>163520>I cant cuz da roolzUhm,... what?
>>163523No no, you opened this can of worms.
How do site rules prohibit you from simply answering the question?
>inb4 the site is staffed by masons I wish IDs were turned on so I could call out the faggot(s) that ignore my points whenever I post them in reply to some dumb meme they post.
>>163482 >>163311 >>162824 >>162790 still waiting
The threads all dumb memes and bickering about "AD HOMINIM" or "BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU" because the flat earth fags can't do anything else
Today's Flat Eart Friday was boring, just some loon reeeeing about how video of the International Space station can't be real cuz this one guy's collar moves at this point, and how its probably a green screen in spite of them passing a floating microphone around.
So instead, here's a vid where Sci Dan and Prof. Dave go over the main proofs from Dave's debate with "DITRH", for those who dont comprehend the citations.
https://youtu.be/26UkTow1RRoOriginal post
>>163010>>163538>>163685>Sci-Fi DanAnd yet, how come the curvature can't be found?
>33.63 miles No curvature..Againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6kOOvNLuGY >>163690I trust you're going to pretend all the proofs posted in your absence dont exist?
>>163697>all the proofs postedSeriously?
Any pseudo proof is rendered null if not a curve is found.
>>158063Try to comprehend it this time
>>163697Sorry fren but there is point where you have to face the Plane.
>>163701How come its only in obscure locations and by dodgy indivoduals that results like this manifest? How come when there are proper controls, equipment, and documentation, the results show curvature? Like the 15deg tilt gauge incident?
Ahem
>>163525 >>163704>How come when there are proper controls, equipment, and documentation, the results show curvature?Simple, if the faggots doing the measurements and equipment are paid by the occupiers in power, the results will always be the same lies.
Independent research discovers what the globe religion won't tell.
>>163781I get it now. Flat Earth is conceptually a hierarchy structured around scientific invompetence (umbrella term representing the various fields that unanimously, cohesively, and uniformly present an array of results among them a spherical earth), where the greater one's assertiveness and incompetence, the further 'up' the hierarchy.
>>163783>cohesively, and uniformly present an array of results among them a spherical earthMost of those results are not valid at all as the (((occupiers))) won't allow travel beyond the 60th Parallel and claim a monopoly on ship's traffic rights.
>>163785speaking of Antarctica and/or "the Antarctic Ice Wall"
lolIF the flat earth pizza were a thing
THEN the length of distance in the lower hemisphere to circumnavigate the planet would be vastly greater than the distance to circumnavigate the planet in the upper hemisphere, exponentially so.
In a globe, the upper hemisphere is equidistant to the lower hemisphere.
In a flat earth, the upper hemisphere is a fraction of the distance around the same latitudinal position
>flat earth
The circumference of the line closer to the north pole is much less than the like that goes near the ice wall, represented by the border. And yet, is this reflected in navigation?
>>163786>THEN the length of distance in the lower hemisphere to circumnavigate the planet would be vastly greater than the distance to circumnavigate the planet in the upper hemisphere, exponentially so.That's correct.
Search for captain Cook in this thread, he sailed like 70,000 miles trying to go around Antarctica, but he couldn't cos' Earth is a plane.
>>163788And yet, is this reflected in navigation?
Everyday.
Search for flying routes in this thread.
>>163790>NavigationPlanes are based on profit motive, of getting as many people from everywhere to everywhere else. Its not like when you buy a plane ticket they fly ONLY YOU nonstop to wherever, unless you charter a plane for ~1.5 million. The failure to grasp how profit motive affects air traffic and flight plans is one of your most laugable bits of incompetence.
>CookYes, your idiocy on that has already been addressed. Heres the reminder!
>>149629>Cook>149629 >>163795>how profit motive affects air traffic and flight plans Are you implying that all air traffic control and navigators have successfully been bribed into concealing the shape of the earth?
>>163796>denial plus sticking to the brainwashing programmingLet us check what some technical guy has to say out:
>US Navy Missile Instructor Proof of Service - Flat Earth - Mark Sargenthttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z5jWs-xZiaEMark Sargent is a Flat Earth researcher and cat is out of the bag.
Allow me to shill some Firmament models.
Not mine but they are cool nevertheless
https://flatearthmodels.com/According to flat earth, the distance between blue x and y, and red x and y is:
A. the same
B. blue is greater distance than red
C. red is greater than blue
D. omfg, masonic nasa shill
Its friday again! Today's FEF starts off with Bob proving the planet's rotation!
https://youtu.be/CXylB6HPHRk>>163816These are the worst and most retarded memes I have ever seen.
>>148613Maybe Flat Earth is a CIA PsyOp to make legitimate conspiracies look silly by comparison.
Radio towers are tall because short ones aren't as good. Shoet ones aren't as good because the earth is round.
Catapult and Trebuchet users centuries ago accounted for the curvature of the earth when calculating and aiming because the earth is round.
We have seen space.
We have landed shit on asteroids.
We have launched sattelites into space and used them, so we know they are there.
The planet is a round speck in a vast ocean of astral bullshit. Sorry, but we are not a flat plane rotating on the back of four elephants on the back of a turtle.
>>158065>>159492>If you believe Earth is round because a local optical effect on perspective, then you have a loooooooong way before to come to your senses.Could you elaborate a little on this? I'm genuinely curious. I see that after your response to the photos in question nobody else bothered to reply to your reply instead opted to pretend as if you didn't answer. I'm neither pro nor against flat earth. The scientific community is indeed a bunch of liars and I gain nothing from being loyal to them, however, just believing in a flat earth to spite them isn't something I'm gonna do.
So, I'm genuinely curious here. When you talk about the optical effect on perspective I assume that you're talking about how things get smaller the further away they are from you. But some of these ships' hulls seem to be out of view. Either the ships are way too submerged or we don't see the hull because there's water in the way. This could be explained by the idea that there's curvature and that there becomes a hill of water that cut off the line of sight. At the same time, if this was true you'd expect the ships' poles and cargo to be slightly angled away from you.
All of this is taken by a camera. I have seen the video that's somewhere in this thread about a nikon camera that zoomed in so far that it got a view of the islands and cities despite the fact that the formula for the curvature so has obstructed them. Don't remember if those cities were submerged though.
What are your thoughts?
>>163826>my disbelief is an argumentMeanwhile, notice how the flat earth model involves exponentially more area between continents, the closer one gets to the perimeter. What this means is, flat earthers have to explain why the planet doesnt reflect this in geography.
>>163825Or just answer this guy's question
Ill reiterate, simplified.
If thr flat earth map has any legitimacy, you would be ablr to measure an increase in the amount of area between longitudinal degrees, the further one gets from the north pole.
Ill also point out how it makes MORE sense for a plane to fly halfway across the world when going to the next continent over, to a flat earther
>>163828>If thr flat earth map has any legitimacyIt looks legit enough to me
>>149243 >>163795>Planes are based on profit motiveAbsolutely, and yet their fly paths across the oceans make not sense at all, at least... our realm is a plane.
>>163365 >>163831>they dont make senseOnly if you're a mong. It makes sense to anyone who has ever had to work out product sourcing and distribution
>>163811You didn't answer my question.
>>163833Dude, your "science" doesn't add up. There is not any curve and sticking to the lies makes you look a shill or the dumbest on this plane. See
>>149168 >>163835>implying if you ask questions you're a shillI didn't cite any "science", faggot. I just asked a basic question.
>>163836>I didn't cite any "science", faggotAll your premise is founded on the globe religion which is based on fake science. If you dispute the Plane, then your are talking about science, actually fake science.
>>163837Wtf does any of that have to do with what I asked?
What dumb nigger decided that this thread didn't need IDs? It's the only thread on /vx/ that would actually benefit from IDs.
>>163839>IDsActually it is useless, these kikes jump IP like rabbits and to pinpoint them would be an impossible task.
>>163840>implying IDs are useless because shitposter evade themBy that logic, we should remove IDs from the site entirely because the concept of them would be flawed.
IDs make it more difficult to change between contradictory points and sockpuppet mid-conversation, or at least add extra steps to do so.
We put IDs on /vx/ despite the fact that neither /v/, /x/, /tg/, /vg/, /mlp/, or even /int/ have them, perhaps even to the detriment of those elements, just to police /pol/-tier shitposting arguments. Threads with these kinds of arguments should always have IDs.
>>163842There are shitposters on both sides, but it's impossible to have even a /pol/-tier conversation because there's no IDs.
>>163837I only asked about the implication of navigators being bribed, because I thought it might be interesting. I didn't say anything for or against the flat earth in that question.
>Leonardo DiCaprio, Pope Francis, and the Flat Earth picture
it tells you everything to need to know about the ball lie.
>>163844>navigators being bribed,There are plenty of videos where pilots state that Earth is flat.
>>163847Okay, but what about the ones that don't, or the ones that say the contrary?
>>163848I think it is the same case of doctors and nurses that recommended poisonous injections to the public because of the sweet money.
>>163849In every country though? Who would be paying them?
>>163850I sense the jew is back. Asking questions and shooting whataboutisms.
This is /vx/, back to /mlpol/ schlomo.
>>163851>Asking questions>implying asking questions somehow makes me a kikeIf you don't know, just say you don't fucking know.
>whataboutismsWhere did "what about" appear in any of my posts? All I did was ask you to elaborate.
>>163851>This is /vx/, back to /mlpol/You know, just because it's /vx/ doesn't mean people might not want actual arguments or want their questions answered seriously. That kind of stuff doesn't stand on /x/ either.
>>163853>doesn't mean people might not want actual arguments or want their questions answered seriously.There is not good faith in you.
>>163854You're accusing
me of bad faith, when all you did was sling a series of ad homenim calling me a shill instead of answering my questions? What am I supposed to say to get my questions answered?
>>163856You have plenty of evidence that the ball is a lie. Go on, tell me that you are not arguing in bad faith.
All this stuff just to make a strawman for being rebuked.
Thanks for being being the whole circus I suppose.
But if you are genuine about not curved Earth just stop being a cock sucking garggle blasting fag. Simple, but for you it may not be easy.
>>163854I asked you a question to give you the opportunity to explain your worldview. I didn't make any technical or fake "scientific" arguments, I just asked a question about a claim that seemed worthy of skepticism.
If skepticism isn't "good faith" to you, then I must be wasting my time here.
>>163857I wasn't asking about the fucking ball, I was asking about navigators and pilots being systemically bribed to keep it a secret.
>>163860>copingSorry, recognize your loss, this realm is flat.
>>163861>missing the point>still won't answer basic fucking questions>no reading comprehension whatsoeverYou know, I really was giving you the benefit of the doubt, because I really am open to the prospect that kikes and corporations really could be keeping big secrets about the geography of Antarctica and even the rest of the world, and I thought that was worth discussing, but I now see that I'm dealing with an asinine retard incapable of holding a conversation without resorting to reddit-tier shitflinging.
Sorry for wasting your time. I'll go back to ignoring this shitty thread.
>Gamer Asmongold does a real time Flat Earth poll, and guess what.
KEK
>>163866Preposterous he says, carefully ignoring every argument that he can't refute, which are many and multi-genre.
Whether from actual incompetence or actual malice, it is clear that you are incapable of arguing in good faith. It seems a clear case of intellectual dishonesty, whatever the cause may be, but you'll continue to posture-post ponies because in your mind thaTs what making an argument is.
>B but, a bunch of WOW-streamer simps are retarded and think the earth is flat!Yes, it takes a particular type of retardation to follow WoW streamers in current year. Small wonder that half his audience fits the bill. They could still be trolling though.
>>163863But THIS one is my favorite. Here you have an unobstructed admission from the flatty.
He doesnt want discussion, he doesnt want to dissect the idea and discern truth from fiction, he wants an echo-chamber thread where he can post his tripe and rub circles in his own back about how right he is, nevermind the endless list of phenomena that very clearly illustrate that he's full of shit, has never known what he's talking about, and has the most pathetic grasp of physical dynamics while claiming an 'engineering background, lol, and anyone ELSE should kindly gtfo so he can get back to his FB-tier 'memes'This has been a public service announcement
>>163868Cope and seethe, the earth is spherical no matter the level of ignorance you adopt
>>163870Theres that pone-posturing I mentioned. Cope and seethe faggot, you're wrong, ad the only reason you dont know it 8s b3cause you insulate yourself with incompet3nce.
>>163870While not intending to, the pone-posturing speaks to another phenomenon that is readily observed in the horsefucker community;
The 'I found a pony reaction image, your argument is therefore invalid' pretense. The idea being overtly, "I can present Twilight(example) in a meme that doubts your position, therefore it's invalid".
The problem is that, this 'argument' neglects the basic requirements of an argument; to indicate invalidity with position(s), and to present a counter-argument with facts.
One may note that this is why the flatty wont argue facts, excepting those 'observed' and recorded by dodgy individuals who have been laughed out of any critical assessment.
But the flatty isnt vying for anything authoritative, no, he is quite content simply to muddy the water; it is well enough for him to suggest that there is legitimate grounds to contest the uni ersal findings that uniformly depict a spherical earth, BECAUSE there are none
again, I cant conclude what level of dishonesty that OP is operating from but hes "just so skeptical of nasa masons".
I literally cant ironically parody at that point,.
But to this post's point, its really just a reiteration of the rule about one's carefully worded arguments being sumarrily ignored.
Welcome to the flat earth thread, where feelings dont care about your facts.
>>163871>>163872>pone-posturingDo you know where you are?
>>163873Do you? Do you think 'if I post a pony, theres legitimacy to my post'? Do you think 'if I post a pony, then my illegitimate post is somehow legitimate'?
Post all the ponies you want, you're STILL never gonna have a leg to stand on, intellectually.
you'd think someone would just fly over antarctica and shut down this whole conspiracy by now
>>163876>shut down this whole conspiracy by nowActually it will blow it out.
>>163876Your argument assumes that the flat earth hasnt been exhaustively debunked previously, except it has. All that remains are flat earthers who can't comprehend the evidence, which unsurprisingly is a gradually increasing number, as the standard of education likewise gradually decreases.
Show people a picture of Earth, its dismissed as CGI. Cite that the picture predates computer generated imagery, its dismissed as Nasa/masonic shilling.
The proof is already there. Its BEEN there since BEFORE any of us were even BORN. Theres more proof than there are technical analysts to explain its VALIDITY as proof.
Which leads one inexorably to the conclusion that Flat Earth has never been about truth. Hence why I say:
Flat Earth is an INcompetence hierarchy >>163876>>163877Apologies, I only touched on Antarctica. Funny you propose this, because there is an experienced pilot who is organizing just that.
The thing about a flight over the southern pole is, it takes a particular setup to accomplish. Being as though there arent commercial airstrips on Antarctica, not just ANY plane will do. It requires a plane with the logistical capacity to make the entire trip WITHOUT refueling. Remember when I said 1.5 million chartered? Thats because thats what it is going to cost to charter a provate plane capable of making the flight (and that is WITH the pilot doing the flying for no charge).
Now, flatties LOVE to point to Antarctica because of their certainty of an ice wall. At least, thats the NOT-disingenuous flatties.
Meanwhile, there are the flatty grifters who realize that its bullshit, but their name and livelihood is tied to the flat earth theory (DITRH, etc.) and so they are dug in at 'Antartica' because "no one could possibly expend that much time/resources/effort to fly over Antartica". Meaning, as long as no one DOES, they can continue to posture and act, regardless of the level of intellectual dishonesty they are operating from.
Recall, I already told you whats on Antarctica, and why the international treaty became a thing; its evidence of a megalithic human civilization/technology that defies the historical record to such a degree that the control systems would implode if readily known.
Spoiler alert, its not the masons nor NASA at the heart of it, its the CHURCH.
I wrote a long post but happened ot deleteed it. Oh, well. I might rewrite it but the gist of it is that I don't see why we should be fighting. Let us just discuss this impersonal and on topic that goes for both sides to different extents perhaps but still.
>>163881I'll come back and rewrite this. I have reasons for what I'm saying and I don't really know if this short post gives enough context.
>>163884Fake NASA shill, the sun doesnt go behind the earth, it rotates above it. This is clearly intended to undermine flat earth progress in the worldview.
Im false flagging as a/the flatty, if it doesnt come across >>163886>NASAWell, zog told everybody but normies can't help themselves.
>>163887Fake and shilling. Clearly, since the earth is flat, that any claims of curvature are false.
Cuz the earth is flat.
Checkmate globies.
The earth is FLAT
>>163887Zog convinced everyone that the flat earth is ROUND cuz they're Satanists, and who u gonna believe, satanists or ME who says what god says cuz I say that god says what I say = flat earth, checkmate atheists.
>>163888>>163889>>163886Wow, this is just what OP has said throughout this entire thread and not butchered at all. You guys are comedy geniuses.
>>163890>ShillsThey (or it?) are applying textbook masonic tactics for gaslighting.
They state exactly what the opposite side says with a tone of incredulity and sometimes mixed with sarcasm in an attempt to discredit and to diminish validity. That said, they will avoid to draw attention to the fact that utterly demolish the whole heliocentric model: the curve can't be found.
>>163890Experience
>>163891Except for the pics I posted months ago, which you wont touch,... cuz totaly not btfo, couldnt be that...
And my posts aside, you're about 24 citations behind, asfar
as 'refuting' a spherical earth or 'asserting' a flat one
>>163891>Shills>ImplyingYou sound like /ptg/ calling everyone a 'shill' for disagreeing with you in a flat earth thread on this tiny board.
>>163893Nobody calls flat earthers hateful. They just call them dumb.
>>163896I suppose so but people do call nazis dumb as well so I wouldn't put much stock in what people say.
>>163897Yeah, although I feel like it's a false equivalency. People call Nazis dumb sometimes, but I seldom hear anyone call flat earthers hateful, unless they want to associate them with another group.
>>163898Yeah, we agree on this. I never heard anyone call flat earthers hateful and I don't see how one would argue that they are.
>it's a false equivalencyI think you misunderstood. I meant that people say that everyone that disagrees with consensus is dumb so if you meant, which isn't clear from your post, to appeal to their authority then I disagree that they have one.
This post got a bit overwritten but you get me.
Was the post about catapults deleted?
>Coach Redpill>2022.06.06 Physics and Epistemic Viciousness>Dark Matterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHI_eSsgTF4This is a commentary on the science "experts" who make shit up and sustain lies in order to keep their jobs.
>>163903Dark matter is just a theory, a disputed theory.
>>163905Well, I guess you could say that.
In truth, a group of scientists came up with Dark Matter because they considered it to be the only explanation for why gravity seems to function differently at the far edges of the galaxy, as if some extra invisible mass were weighing things down and holding stars together. It's not a theory without merit, as there could be plenty of things beyond this world that we're not able to perceive, but an alternative mode of thought would be that perhaps the laws of physics simply aren't consistent throughout all of the vastness of space.
There are of course other theories to explain this. I think String Theory gives an alternative to it.
Imagine being ruled by shitty memes
Seriously, imagine you couldnt think for yourself and had to rely on Facebook to do your thinking for you.
Now i.agine your FB-tier wtfe got btfo and you LITERALLY had no lrg to stand on, but had to pretend cuz 'shame is bad'.
How's that whole 'being a nonce' thing working for you, OP? Learned to differentiate between,.. oh Im kidding. OP doesnt want to actually THINK, he just wants to pretend so that the audience THINKS he's thinking.
But yes I am bad/evil/wtfe ur scripture says is 'bad'.
Keep not doing what you're told is bad. Thats 'healthy', Im told.
>>164027Imagine failing to sage shitty threads.
>>164028Imagine thinking that a neglecting of sage was happenstance
>>164030Imagine bumping threads that shit up the board.
>>164031Imagine wanting the board clean for all the..............
............
nothing
If the earth isn't flat why do flights from USA to Japan take time?
>>164035Whoops, thats's embarrassing
>>164035Let me guess, you calculate Pi as 3.14, don't you?
Hey OP, I was just in another one of my random information on the internet comas and I have a genuine question:
What causes the circumpolar current around the latitude of Drake's Passage (pic related on ball Earth)
Since there's no rotation, nor is there gravity, what would push this much water around?
>>164056well, not quite. This explains the tides (kinda, I'm not entirely happy with "well, we don't know but its not the moon") but it doesn't explain the uniform west>east movement of the entire ocean at that latitude. If tides were caused by the bobbing of the earth's surface in the ocean, as explained by Mr. Dubay, there would be a uniform reaction towards the ice wall, not round it. Think ripples in a pond.
>>164057I suppose I spoke too soon because I didn't finish the video, but even the second explanation of the world mountain and the whirlpool doesn't explain uniform motion around the poles. If this were the case, you'd see almost no circumpolar current, or a circumpolar current that reverses with the tides.
>>164057>uniform west>east movement of the entire ocean at that latitudeI guess we have to wait for access for independent researchers.
The freemason's "just trust us" is not cutting it any longer.
>>164059Independent researchers are allowed to sail the Drake Passage and the circumpolar open ocean. In fact, Dubay references quite a few of them in his videos. Are you saying Dubay is referencing Masons?
>>164060Don't play dumb, you perfectly know that I'm referring to the area under the 60th parallel, specifically Antarctica.
>>164061I'm not. The circumpolar ocean current starts at the southern tip of South America.
>>164063Hendrik Brouwer (Dutch explorer who developed the route through the current in the early 1600s for spice trade with India)
James Cook (circumnavigated the polar region, iirc he's specifically mentioned by Dubay)
Vito Dumas did so single-handedly during WWII without any knowledge or assistance from world governments
I'll keep looking if you need more names
>>164064oh, and Jon Sanders of Australia has done it 11 times.
>>164064Dude, I sailed the Drake channel 10 years ago two times, I know the place and is hell when choppy, the strong currents are normal because the waters accelerate at that point. Frequently and unexpected weather conditions are the norm, they change without warning in a matter of a couple of hours.
>>164066have you circumnavigated at that latitude? All of these people mentioned (excepting Brouwer) did.
>>164067>circumnavigatedNot circumnavigation, but circurm-continent voyage.
>>164068so you went round Cape Horn. I'm... proud? of you? but by your reckoning you're missing about 50 thousand miles of journey.
>>164069>Cape HornIt is called Cabo the Hornos by the locals.
>>164070Sure. We're getting off track. I've provided plenty of sources for you to look into. Are you willing to do so, or are we discounting every circumpolar expedition to ever happen as wrong?
>>164071>I've provided plenty of sources for you to look intoThe only trusted source is your own eyes. Sailing there without interference.
>>164072Then why reference all these ancient and modern sources when you haven't seen these things with your own eyes? This isn't a disputed fact. Your sources confirm it, my sources confirm it, ball earth sources confirm it, there's a current that goes steadly east to west round the world at the latitudes south of the three southern capes and north of Antarctica. Nobody disputes this that's been round the world at that latitude, including sources you yourself have put forward. Its established fact.
>>164073my apologies, steadily west to east. map dyslexia getting the better of me once again
>>164071>or are we discounting every circumpolar expedition to ever happen as wrongEnough derailing, the chart is already established and clear faggot
>>149243By the way, that map is super accurate when using a sextant.
>>164075okay, I'm not disputing the map, the shape of the earth, or any other point you've brought up. I simply want to know what your explanation is for an established, fairly stable circumpolar current (and I suppose the winds that go with it, but that's very likely explainable in your model by the motion of the water)
>>164076Again, independent research is needed.
>>164077Independent research has been done and matches the facts I've presented. If its not independent enough for you, I'm terribly sorry, but if someone who is actively hiding from world governments (Vito Dumas) makes the claim, I'm going to call them independent
>>164079I accept your concession.
By the way, if you'd just said "it matches up when you view the whole oceanic current map in context of the flat earth" I would have probably taken you at face value, but you're so tied to the very few sources you have that you can't do independent research yourself.
I still don't know if your theory has any merit, but I'm 100% sure now that you, personally, do not.
>>164080In fact, I'm going to go absolutely top tier schizophrenic here and note a few things.
In this diagram, the redder a current, the warmer its water, and per established science, these are the surface currents, whilst cold blue currents are usually much deeper. IF your polar gyre exists, you could explain these currents as warm water being sucked into the pole from the surface, and cold water being pushed back down through the deep ocean. This removes the need for a "breathing" gyre and allows a much more plausible forceful, periodic underswell, possibly because this supposed northern polar whirlpool exists inland on the aforementioned 4 islands, and it "runs out" of water because its recycling effect exceeds the inflow of surface water. Since the land surface, per Dubay, rests ON the ocean, not on underlying crust, this allows for a massive inflow of water to the central reservoir, a relatively quick emptying of the reservoir _under_ the land surface, and a repeat.
There, I just answered your question for you, since you're completely incapable of independent thought.
>>164055>>164081Welcome to the flat earth thread
>>164083>Sci-Fi DanA prominent NASA paid shill.
>>164083C'mon, it is obvious that it is about to make fun of a dumbass that can barely articulate his thoughts.
The NASA ballers can rapidly extinguish the Flat Earth discoveries if debate is arranged, but, like the jews they won't do that and pick on low hanging fruits instead while claiming to be on the right.
Imagine if the negro tyson would debate Dubay, but... NASA knows that will be PR disaster.
>It hurts to Change your world view: The ThreadFlatters will cope forever.
>>164087>>164086>NASANasa has no power you retards.
>>164085Thanks. The problem here seems to be that Dubay has an extremely compelling and calming voice. I watched his history of flat earth and I was honesty a little hooked until he went on his autistic tard rage about the flat earth society
>>164089>Nasa has no power you retards.I disagree.
You believe all their lies, right?
>>164091Nigger what lies do they even tell?
>>164087>Tyson wont argue rhetoric with a virtual child cuz NASA is scared of the blowbackImagine unironically thinking this
>>164087yes, acknowledging Dubay as worth debating would be a PR disaster
>>164086>>164091NASA had to sell all its infrastructure to Elon Musk and outsource its rocks to Russia to stay afloat, and it still can't get congress to fund any of its projects (gotta send that tax money to Israel for their space program instead). Wtf do you think they have the funding to do that?
>>164072>this much goalpost movingSo, you'll only accept direct, personal empirical evidence for ideas that challege your worldview, but you're willing to cite sketchy youtube videos for ones that reinforce it?
Talk about hypocrisy.
>>164077>>164079Define "independent research".
>>164086>NASA paid shillCitation unironically needed. I wasted an hour looking for any real evidence of this.
>>164098welcome to the Flat Earth thread, where "paid shill" means "disagrees with my retarded ideology"
>>164117Well, in the last months the UFO psyop went into overdrive in the States, now the Russians join. Is any doubt left that they are together in the space deception?
>Van Halen - FLAT EARTH.
Good music.
>>148614rate of rotation is not measured in mph.
The earth rotates at 7.29x10^-5 rads/s. Of course you can't feel it spinning. If you were on a roundabout that was spinning at that rate, you would not even be able to see it moving let alone feel anything.
>>164125>rate of rotation is not measured in mphAnd yet on the surface and according to the freemasons we are moving at incredible speeds.
>>164125You tried, but OP feels the best defense is a solid ignorance
>>164127>You triedNope, that faggot is trying to obfuscate when bringing angular speeds which are supposedly constant.
>>163908Dark matter has exactly zero relavence to flat earth. Yes the models are incomplete this is known. But they are more than sufficient to describe our solar system. Even classic newtonian gravity is good enough for the most part.
>>164129Wait till he gets to the lack of comprehension that a sphereoid object has a dissimilar sloping curve depending on what longitude one observes the planet at, and that there is no 'single calculation' for the distance to the horizon