/vx/ - Videogames and Paranormal

>>49512
It doesn't work that way: a paladin's mount advances by the paladin's powers, not necessarily by any deity. You're confusing paladins with clerics again.
>free super powers
If he's fine giving her the extra juice to maximize the fiendish-transformation ability that she augmented her body with using the essence stole from a demon, I doubt standard features of the underling class are off of the table.

>>49517
from a demon and a devil, actually

>>49514
Give it the power to zap people when they're acting like faggots.

>>49517
Okay, well while she's not mounted she's not a mount

>I doubt standard features of the underling class are off the table
For a loyal church member, of course they are not off the table. Mounted form makes a difference because then she's at least being observed by someone who is trusted

>>49519
>>49514
Yes

>>49520
She was just baptised: did that not mean anything?

>>49522
Not if she's going to immediately leave the church and join God knows what other different religion

>>49520
>while she's not mounted she's not a mount
They've been using empathetic link for months.
Why does it apply to some abilities but not others? I've been operating under the assumption that everything but the Str and Extra HD worked.
>>49523
So tshe only got nerfed that day?

>>49522
Because anon, you get some haxx, but you don't get infinite haxx. You don't get every single cheat you want.

Yes, empathic link operates continuously. I just said that a few posts ago in >>49507

As for nerfs and benefits, I don't know. I'm not GM, and I never would have approved the 6 or so Supernatural abilities you cheated your way into a couple months ago.

I would say that it opens the door to benefits though, but these benefits have very basic requirements to them like not immediately joining a different church

>>49525
>emphatic link operates continuously
So does spell resistance.
>church
Mounts are not normally church members: that's not a regular requirement.

>>49526
She's not using +10 Natural Armor so she can go serve Azathoth or Rockwell or whatever other god you want her to follow, let me put it that way. +6 Natural armor to serve Elway or at least, to be neutral, then sure

>>49527
I only wanted to find another divine source to replace the powers that got nerfed that day: as far as she's concerned, getting gatorade-poisoning has only been a detriment on her abilities so far.

>>49526
>Mounts are not normally church members
Mounts don't go joining and serving opposing religions either

If the Knights Templar found that their horses had somehow converted to Islam and also would slip away to serve Jihad or what have you, the Knights Templar wouldn't have said "here's some nice armor for you while you go"

>>49528
You just want more. You'd do it even if it gave more superpowers. That was a story-line excuse for a nerf that should have happened regardless

>>49529
If being a member of a church only downgrades her, why would she be part of it?

>>49530
First off, that shouldn't be the sufficient condition to downgrade, the "upgrade" should never have existed in the first place, or at least, should have "worn off over the passage of time." Second, it really should be a precondition to marriage. Finally, who said there are only downsides?

>>49531
>who said there are only downsides?
What's the upgrade?

>>49532
We'll figure that part out

>>49531
>should have "worn off over the passage of time."
When was that said?

>>49535
I was talking about how I would have explained it. It was bullshit to begin with

>>49536
>It was bullshit to begin with
So is you getting a Dragonne instead of a horse, and being able to say football at will.

>>49537
I did not ask for either of those, Football is once per day not at will, and both you and GM were making fun of Fae for being weak before I figured out how to use the existing set of rules to get more power out of her

>>49538
They're still out-of-class special abilities though.
How is Tracy's transformation any different?

>>49540
Because of the degree. You want Etherealness at will, A supernatural smoke breath weapon that operates as a free action, a perfect smoke screen that gives concealment and you can see through, and you want to stack this with rogue special abilities. And you want to set the scenery on fire at will. And you want the ability to fly very fast and good maneuverability.
And you want the much, much high strength these forms give, and to use a magical weapon while doing this.

>>49541
And you want Dark vision, and you want Astral projection

>>49542
>>49541
None of that satisfied you though. You wanted more and more and more free haxx, with ideas like eating every creature that exists and so forth

>>49541
Her ability is basically just limited Shapechange.
You do plenty of things that bend standard rules too, like wearing two suits of armor, and then stacking that AC with the deflection bonus from your bracers.

>>49544
First off, a shape change doesn't do that. It doesn't give you the supernatural abilities, only the other abilities. And I never asked for the stacked armor bonus, it was just given. You, by contrast, keep pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing. I counted four different had requests in a single Wednesday earlier this month. It's like "if you give a mouse a cookie" with you

>>49545
>It doesn't give you the supernatural abilities
Yes it does.

>>49545
Why dont you appreciate all you have instead of trying to get tracys thing taken away? Its almost like you are a communist.

>>49546
Polymorph and Alternate form don't

>>49547
This
I'm sick of hearing about it.
All the players got haxx, including you.

>>49547
I do appreciate it. He just keeps relentlessly asking for hand outs

>>49548
It is none of those things: it's a unique ability.

>>49550
What's it to you?

>>49549
You don't appreciate, you just beg and beg and beg relentlessly for more

>>49553
>beg
No.

>>49552
Because you're intent on playing in a way adverse to my goals. So I have to be weary of an enemy

>>49554
Okay, you're pushy and demand handouts. All the same

>>49555
>Because you're intent on playing in a way adverse to my goals. So I have to be weary of an enemy
Same with you.

>>49555
>playing in a way adverse to my goals
What are your goals? How have I got in the way of any of them?
Contrary to you, I've actually made very little progress in the role that I wanted to play: a soccer-playing serial killer. It's not that I could't do those at any time, but that I never wanted to cause party drama.
>>49555
>demand
I demand nothing. I take what I can get.

tbh, I'm entirely fine with hearing that Tracy doesn't actually get the underling class features, or that her powers have been nerfed for whatever reason; but you are not the Anon I want to hear that from.
Stop acting like it's your job to levy the rules.

I g2g

>>49558
See you later

>>49557
>goal
Precisely. It would've stupid not to think of her as the villain

>I take what I can get
Look, if your begging for cheats, demanding cheats, or just cheating when you can cheat, it's all the same. It goes very far beyond just a few things to make the game more fun. It makes the game much less fun when I have to compete with that - and am entirely unable to - when you want to take a unicorn and hide her or when you're trying to steal the entire set of loot

>>49556
Why are you being hostile? When has Trumpaladin ever been hostile to Infernius?

>>49509
GM blinks his eyes in total non-comprehension.
There's a cattle prod?

>>49561
Trumpaladin is a conservative, Infernuis is a nationalist socialists. The ideology dont really get along.

>>49563
My personal ideology, in terms relationships to different value systems, is "don't fuck with me or mine, and I won't fuck with you or yours." Trumpaladin, shrewd pragmatist, wants only peace. No need for fear or violence

>>49562
The one he got before the party went after Infernius.
He only ever used it while he was absent and Infernius rolled a 20 for Torc to use it on him.

>>44567 →
Because I'm not going to spend my entire class on my phone arguing with you,

>>49568
You don't have to. It's not an argument.

>>49564
>don't fuck with me or mine, and I won't fuck with you or your
I never even once complained about your stuff, so stop ranting on about mine.

>>49565
Good times

>>49571
Ikr. I had to step away for a moment then.

>>49572
I came back, read it, and I was in fucking tears

>>49573
It's not often that you watch someone roll a 20 against themselves.

>>49574
Its not often you see infernius' faggot roll a 20

Who's here atm?

>>49576
Totally not here currently

>>49576
I'm completely out for over an hour

>>49578
Don't worry, I remember

>>49576
Nazi checking in.

>>49578
Will we have time to advance tonight?

>>49582
Advance how?

>>49583
I thought I heard we were going to do something tonight. I guess I was mistaken.

>>49584
You're not mistaken, I just wasn't certain what you meant.

>>49585
So what are we doing then?

>mfw think for a moment and can't even remember the last time I made a successful Sneak Attack
Well shit...

>>49587
..I need more living enemies in isolated locations...

For reference

>>49589
Am back!

>>49588
Presumably most threats to inter-city commerce and resource extraction fit that description, being either bandits, magical beasts, or animals. They will need to be entirely cleared out in the civilizing mission

>>49589
Tracy continues running, phasing through Fae and Infernius.

>>49591
i want to be a Witcher so much...

>>49592
That'll cost an action and we don't know where the guy is. Just run past or through them

>>49594
She has the quickening feat: it's a free action.

>>49595
>quickening feat
Come again? When did this happen?

>>49594
>Just run past or through them
Not worth the risk of slowing down.
I'll lose my mind if this faggot gets away.
>>49596
Quicken spell-like ability was the second feat I selected for her after Improved Sunder.

>>49597
Then cut through the room in front diagonally, that's my best bet of where he went (to the right on the hall)

Don't be surprised in the absolute least if there is an entire horde of Devourers. It's much safer to go down the hallway. Also, when did she learn the dimension door was ended?

>>49597
I don't think that's true, but eh

>>49594
Even if it costed an action, I doubt she couldn't do it while running.

>>49598
>there is an entire horde of Devourers
Then they'll have to catch her first.
They would've already attacked us anyway.

>>49599
No no, here's the thing. Running is a full round action that would allow a speed of ~450-500. But it could only be done in a straight line, which we do not have. However, if she moves at 100 ft in a move action, it stands to reason that she could move 200 ft in a full round action while not running. That is, she could turn corners. That's what we need. Ethereal plane slows movement by half. Yes GM said otherwise in the past, but in this thread he said he was thinking of the Astral Plane when he said that.

>>49600
If she just runs past them that provokes an attack of opportunity. Thez warned the plane is dangerous, that means it's dangerous

>>49597
I'm betting you he already got away. This is just a possible way of finding him if he hasn't already

>>49601
>Running is a full round action
She already walks at 100 ft, and the hallway isn't even 40 ft long.
>Ethereal plane slows movement by half
She's just going to juant through them momentarily so she doesn't have to Trample them.
>>49602
>attack of opportunity
Trample while blowing smoke. I'll take the risk.

>>49604
Yes. She needs to walk fast down several hallways

>I'll take the risk
Why? She can't find the mage if her soul is sucked

>momentarily
It will last a full round

I want to emphasize that
1. We do not know where he went
2. We cannot track him
3. He's had a three round head start, and
4. A human can go over a hundred feat down several corridors and through doors in three rounds

>>49601
I do tend to drink when its on, and since you're here now
>>49604
She does not walk at 100'/round. She moves at 100'/round without penalty.
>>49598
Yeah, she hasn't learned about the anchor yet.

>>49606
Can she do a full-round movement at 2x speed without penalty?

[3d20 = 16]
>>49606
infernuis full round tickles thez

>>49605
>It will last a full round
It doesn't take a full round to blink through two creatures when the ability is a free action.
>when did she learn the dimension door was ended?
When she saw Thez <WOOF> earlier.

>>49609
I don't think you can use this alleged feat to Blink. And I don't think that's what Thez doing whatever she does means

>>49610
>blink
I mean phase quickly. It's a free action for her to jaunt.
The alternative is trampling.

>>49607
No! That's why its the base movement rate
>>49611
But you're describing 2 free actions, which if you look under the listing for quickened spell like ability, you will note that it says 1x/round, even though its a quick action.

>>49612
Well shit..
Wait, does ending the jaunt count as an action?

>>49609
Anyways, here are the possible locations the Mage went:
1. What we heard was Ghost Sound, and he actually went to the end of the hallway and down the stairs
2. He did go down that halway and went into the door on that room right next to it
3. He went down the hallway and turned left and
a. went into that room
b. went up the stairs
c. went down the hallway to where we were
earlier, perhaps to circle around and
flank
4. He turned right, and down the hallway
a. And turned right at the end of it
b. And went into a door
c. And turned left

We only have one chance to catch him, so we have to pick an option. I think 4 c is most likely, because it puts the most distance between the mage and the Party. So I say we go 4c
\r

>>49614
>he actually went to the end of the hallway and down the stairs
The party is split. If we don't catch him at the end of the hall, we'll phase and make a bee-line towards the stairs.

>>49615
Again, waiting hordes of undead. Don't use it casually just because you don't want to use a door

[1d20 = 20]
Roll to pet snek cause I'm bored

>>49617
SNEK IS PET!

>>49617
N-nice roll.

>>49618
C-c-c-crital pet
>>49619
Thanss

>>49619
Anyways, I think the trajectory in Pic related is the single most likely path of the mage. Actually, I think it's more likely he went downstairs, but close enough

>>49622
>I think it's more likely he went downstairs
I do too, but I wanna meet whatever's at the end of this hallway.
Torc is going with Thez.

[1d100 = 29]
>>49613
Ending the jaunt? Do you mean to waive it away?
>>49617

>>49624
Whatever muscle she needs to flex to become material again.

Snek is double-pet

>>49625
That's not how it works. The spell duration is per caster level, which as a spell-like ability would mean overall character hit dice, which means 17, which means 17 rounds.

>>49627
>as a spell-like ability would mean overall character hit dice
The creature description says it's 20th caster lvl.
So, she can't end the jaunt early?

>>49623
Then are we agreed on going to the fork?

>>49627
It says in the description it functions as if caster level 20, and she could jaunt back

>>49629
Sure.
They'll just sink through the floor to go downstairs if they don't find anything.

>>49630
I'd really rather not walk through an ambush if that could be avoided

>>49632
I want to do something.

>>49628
>>49629
>at will
Sorry, was looking at the Ethereal Jaunt spell description. Okay, so she could jaunt back, but she would still be limited to one quick-ability(spell) per round.

>>49633
Sure, but let's do a something that doesn't end horribly

>>49634
If the quickened ability were a free action, could she use it again as a standard action in the same round?

>>49635
*sits on Trumpaladin because bored*

>>49637
reeeeeee

>>49636
If you are hellbent intent on jaunting, then at least use it to cut through the unexplored room. That just might get to the fork in a single round

>>49638
>cut through the unexplored room
Risky, but interesting.
Be ready to turn.

>>49641
Sorry...

Everyone's here, right?

>>49644
..Sorry...

Lazy recoloration of Infernius in his armor.

>>49645
Nah its fucking everyone mate

>>49646
Slightly better version

>>49643
So seriously though. Trump seems to want to have "cover-ridden" Tracy, down the hall to the right, right? He already barely made his ride check, I'm just confirming direction.

>>49649
That looks like what it it.
He's currently hitching a ride on Tracy's butt.

>>49649
Yes. Right from their perspective, left from our perspective. I think crouching or lying down on horse (rather than sitting up) is the most graceful way of accomplishing this

>>49651
BTW, I gots rabbit up if u wants musics or "discrete GM interactions" no lewd

Is Infernius still here?

>>49651
Trump and Tracy round the obscured corner and find themselves at another corner. A long hallway greets them, with a variety of doors that are heavily barred and reinforced. Oh dear, it looks like dimeterium.
Tracy should roll her trap-sense.
>>49654
He's elsewhere in board

[1d20+25 = 27]
>>49655
Rolling to sense Traps

>>49656
Shit... I hope that's good enough.

>>49656
"Now why would they make these rooms so strong and with Dimetrium? I think it must be a prison of sorts"

>>49658
"This stuff is more valuable than platinum. I'm taking these doors home when we get the chance."

>>49657
Tracy gets a slight sense that something might be amiss, as the doorway behind her is barred with a gate of similar dimeterium. As the gate falls, it completes a complex sequence of runes and inscriptions that have been meticulously carved in and around the area. The whole area begins to glow softly from the luminescent writing.

>>49659
"I think you're missing the point..."

>>49660
... shit..
>>49661
Well, they obviously didn't want anyone or anything using magick in this vicinity."

Meanwhile, a series of other crashes and booms and omenous sounds are heard by the remainder of the party in their various positions.

>>49662
"What is this writing?"

>>49663
"Uh guys?"
>distressed snek noises

[1d20+5 = 15]
>>49664
Rolling Knowledge Arcana to recognize writing.

>>49663
Summon Fae to the Door, and ask her to cast "Comprehend Languages" (first level cleric spell) and read this shit

>>49666
Also, remind me to astral project into Hades if I ever have a question about magick: NPC nightmares have 21 ranks in it, for some reason.

>>49668
It's not like there's a library in the Tower or anything

>>49666
It is unrecognizable.
>>49667
>. . .

>>49670
I have other reasons.

>>49672
You don't get free astral projection abilities just cause you want them

>>49673
She has the ability.

>>49671
Does the gate ahead appear passable?

>>49675
No she doesn't

>>49676
No strength check on the door behind us?

>>49677
Why would she go backwards?

>>49677
Yes she does.

[1d20+9 = 18]
Rolling a listen check for Snek

>>49674
>. . .
>>49676
The previous gate? No. Its an absurdly sturdy portcullis with interlocking horizontal bars. The writing on the portcullis aligns with the writing on the wall.

>>49681
Is there a gate ahead of them?

>>49679
No she does not

>>49683
Yes she does.

>>49684
No, she does not have free astral projection abilities, except in Cauchemar form

>>49685
When transformed she does.

>>49686
No, she does not have a gorrilion Super natural abilities just cause

>>49687
Says who?
She can transform by herself at least once per day.

>>49688
She can transform, but she doesn't get a gorrilion free supernatural abilities just cause you want everything

That makes no sense from a story perspective. The transformation is something along the lines of a rage, but astral projection is definitely something more like a meditative state. An opposite in terms of state of mind

>>49689
>The transformation is something along the lines of a rage, but astral projection is definitely something more like a meditative state.
She get's so angry her spirit flies right out of her body.

>>49493
>>49690
Well that's a bunch of bullshit

Anyways, either make a strength check on the door behind them or advance forward and look through the portals

"I don't think that door is a deliberate trap. I think it's a safety mechanism for a hallway full of rooms that imprison dangerous undead"

>>49691
"Can't the guys here control those things though? By the looks of the material, it was made to keep things out."

>>49691
>that's a bunch of bullshit
I will roleplay the fuck out of it.

[1d20+25 = 41]
>>49692
*advances forward
Search check to check for traps

>>49691
Life is bullshi

>>49692
"I don't know, but I am betting this is a prison cell block of a sort. Now you can either bust down the door, we can try to lift the door, I can try to sunder it with a sword, we can wait for Infernius to bust it down, or we can wait for Fae to get over her kikkinocephalicphobia and come over here and read these walls"

>>49694
Now see that, that would have detected the intricate and obnoxious Dimeterium trap. Too bad

>>49696
The sword's magick won't work on dimerterium; you'd have to use brute force, which GM said was a no-go.
It's only forward from now on.

>>49693
>>49693
Then you can make her take potions and listen to Mi Cherri Armor and shit to pull it off rather than BS it as a free at will ability

>>49697
What's ahead of them?

>>49698
If brute force does not at first succeed, then you clearly aren't applying enough of it. If we can get Tracechemar and Infernius and Fae on it, then you've got a combined total of about 90 strength on that door

Hey, with a carefully-worded Wish and enough XP, could we, feasibly, just turn Tracy into a Nightmare permanently and do away with this dumb argument altogether?

>>49702
No

>>49703
Wish can technically do anything.

>>49704
If it can't give you more than a +1 ability point increase with a single casting, then it doesn't have the power to end this argument

>>49700
Walk down the hallway and look into the portals

>>49705
It can end the argument about when her abilities apply.
According to what I've read, it can potentially be used to change a character's race, at a risk.

*walks forward*

>>49708
As she walks forward, Tracy notices initially of the first door and then increasingly of the doors further on. They all have small windows.

[1d20+25 = 43]
>>49709
Search check to carefully glance through window.

>>49707
All of the supernatural abilities and powers of a Nightmare give it a Level adjustment of +4. Those abilities are as valuable as four levels. So if you want to sacrifice 4 rouge or blackguard or assassin levels to convert to a nightmare, minus the hitdie, skills, saving throws, and feats, then you can do it. Or sacrifice 10 levels and get the hit die, skills, and feats.

>>49711
Four levels to be able to use all of those abilities infinitely?
Tempting...

>>49711
>>49712
Its never been done before in this capacity, so naturally I'm in favor

>>49712
What about creatures without lvl adjustment?

>>49713
Make her pay for the hitdie too, unless it's just the Sus. You have to pay 4 hitdie plus the +2 level adjustment for a centaur

>>49715
Tracy already has 17 hit dice.

>>49717
Then she has quite a bit to sacrifice now doesn't she? If you play as a centuar or a (full srd) minotaur, you start off with 4 or six racial hitdie, in addition to the level ajustment cost. And the same in recruiting a cohort. So too it should be with a racial transformation
\r

>>49718
>So too it should be with a racial transformation
It doesn't say so in the spell description. The XP cost refers to how much it takes to cast the spell.
If you were to cast it as an ebin spell with the transform seed, it'd just take a few more days and maybe a spellcraft DC of 30-35 to develop.
What about creatures without lvl adjustment?

>>49719
Are you talking about that "Transform" post you made and deleted 14 minutes ago? If you're going by that, it would have a transform DC of at minimum 51 because there are a minimum of 3 Supernatural abilities on a nightmare. It also wouldn't necessarily transform her into a Nightmare with 17 levels in Rogue either. Possibly no levels in Rogue and Blackguard and whatever

>Creatures without level adjustment
You mean like a Human or Elf or dwarf? Why would you want to do that?

>>49719
Spellcraft DCs can be reduced by turning the spell into a ritual with multiple casters as well.