/ub/ - Überhengst

First topic, my study of Revelation and the nature of the beast. I find it fascinating that a large percentage believe that the beast is connected to Rome directly. I can understand why, but it contradicts so much of what else everyone believes about the beast and from my research, I think it contridicts what the Bible is trying to say as well. To being our dive, we need to look at passages about the beast and learn what we are discussing to begin with.

The beast, though first is mentioned in Revelation 11:7, is first described to us in Revelation 13:1 which reads:
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Here we get a look into the specifics of the beast, and as we focus on each piece, it becomes clearer what is being told to us, because each part is mentioned elsewhere in the Bible. We will begin with "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns...". Seven heads? Ten horns? What could this mean? Whenever you have a question to what the Bible means, you need to read more and find answers that the Bible will give you. We can find direct reference to these qualities in Revelation 17, which we will come back to in full, but for now we will look specifically in 17:9-13.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

So the beast is much more complex than just one antichrist. It is seven heads, or mountains, and there are seven kings, of which five are fallen, one is, and one is to come. The beast itself is the eighth king in this organization of kings, of the seven kings, and which will go into perdition, or destruction in other words. The ten horns are another set of kings, but they have no kingdom and thus no power, but will be given that power an hour with the beast. All of which will boost the power of control of the world to this beast. So we learned that the Bible considers the beast to both be this conglomeration of kings to be the beast, and the antichrist himself as the beast. This will be important during further exploration of the passages. Why is this? Because the heads of the beast and the horns are important, but overall subservient to the antichrist and Satan as part of the whole of the beast. This understanding will help the rest of the book make so much more sense, though of course, my understanding is still limited.

Back to that passage in chapter 17, we see something I glanced over and is the point of much confusion, the woman. In the very first verse and on through chapter 17, the focus is less on the beast, but this woman, so let's learn who she is.
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

This is a lot to unpack already, but let's start taking the pieces and start gaining understanding. First we learn that the woman has committed fornication with the kings of earth and the inhabitants are made drunk with the wine, or the results of it. This means the masses benifit from the existance and meddling the nations of the earth have with interaction with the woman. Next, we see the woman sit on the beast who we learned about before, and the woman is given royalty clothing and royal riches and her cup is full of the abominations she has commited with the kings of earth. On her forehead are the words "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH". We begin to gain more of a picture of the evils the woman has done as the woman is drunk on the blood of saints and martyrs of Jesus. The angel then says to not marvel because he is going to reveal the mystery of what we are seeing. He first goes into explaining the beast and then go on to explain the connection with the beast and this woman.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So we learn from the rest of the chapter more critical things to the identity of the woman, so let's piece it all together. First, the woman is that great city which reigneth over the kings of the earth. She commits fornication with all the nations. She sits on many waters, which is is explained to be peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. Next, God makes the nations give their kingdoms unto the beast to fulfil the prophecies. Next, her head is labeled Mystery, Babylon the Great, according to what is written on her forehead. She sits upon seven mountains

Before I reveal the indentiy I believe this to be, let's go over the popular theory, Rome. Rome does fit a couple of these clues, such as reached far, under seveal tounges, seveal nations did willingly give themselves over to Roman authority, it sits upon seven mountains, they were certainly rich, royal, and they did make martyrs, however it comes up short of all the marks needed. Why would Rome be Babylon the Great? There is no great connection to Babylon and the Roman Empire. No where else in the Bible is any great empire just given the title of Babylon for being big or sinful. Rome was never made God really angry like this woman is clearly making him. Rome never fornicated with other kings, they made those kings their underlings, if not disolved them. And then there are the ten kings given power which hate the woman and burn her. There were internal conflicts with Rome and their power struggles, but ten kings given power by the beast and hating Rome, and then burning it? All the other prophecies such as the living statue and the firey mountain that falls upon the waters and more are not fulfilled literally under Rome. You would have to say a ton of the book is metaphor but the woman is definitely a real city. And to top it off, Rome existed, which stands appart from the beast which the city is on not previously being, not being, and yet is. It isn't adding up.

I believe the city is the rebuilt Jerusalem we have today. First, the nation of Israel that exists today exists after it was previously not a nation, it isn't a nation, and yet is. It itself is a ruler among the kings it fornicates with, five kings that are no more, one that is, and one that will be. The identies of these, I don't have enough evidence of, but Israel is responsible for the destruction of countless prophets of God and believers, who use their power and influence to do it, gaining riches off of their fornication in other nations, never a real part of them, but always profitting. The Jews expand across most all nation, among many tongues and multitudes. They make the kings protect them and give them tribute, having power over them as that city that reigneth over the kings of the earth and God makes them give their lands over to fulfil the prophecy of the antichrist. All it takes is a search to find out that Jerusalem also sits upon seven mountains, at least their claim is such. And the final argument to this identity is the name. Mystery, Babylon the Great. Which city was raided and the people taken into captivity in Babylon? And the jews there formed the Sanhedren, a governing body that would try to keep the law, but just as Jews tend to do, take on religious practices from the area and disobey God. This organization would encounter Jesus in John chapter 3 and would go on along with their Pharasees, conspire the death of Jesus. This organization is in essence, the continuation of Babylon in spirit. We will see later that areas will be called by what they are spiritually as well as physically, such as in Revelation 11:8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
We know Jesus is crucified in Israel, but yet it is not seen as Israel to God. It is a wicked place that is not of His promise, to be destroyed like Sodom and a place of idolatry like Egypt.

So it is my conclusion that the events of Revelation have not yet transpired and the nature of the beast is made up of Jerusalem as the woman, or the one controlling the beast. The beast is not just the antichrist, but him with more players than what we are lead to believe and in fact many nations. We have been deceived if we are looking for one man to control us, though it is the number of a man that will bind so many.

I will pick back up with more about the fate of the woman that continues in chapter 18 and more lessons to be had in Revelation soon.

>>3411
I'll be taking a stance of 'oh fug it's a plot and plan'
Starting from the beginning for this.
My misinterpretations.
Starting from the begining.
>tldr I see it more as an instruction manual and plot.
1 Chap
1:1 God (all that is good and right and true) passes a message to Jesus, to show Jesus' servants "things which must shortly come to pass;" ie stuff that will happen and also must be accomplished.
John who got the message saw the angel of verification.
1:2 John recorded it. It's totes true.
1:3 Four things
Read this
They understand the message
Do the message
Do it NOW!

1:4 + 1:5 okay going to shoot a bit in the dark just with the KJB
John (YOU do the four things which is YOU who is also Loyal and Reliable). Is of and from and communicates with the seven churches.
Do that Jesus, and Jesus' seven spirit bros are gonna be cool with (YOU from whenever) ie always applies.
1:5 Jesus Christ IS the witness (of what is good, right, and true) and is very trust worthy. Born of, Risen of, Came from (kinda odd) from THE DEAD. Because Jesus is the prince of the kings of Earth. Can do no wrong the sins are washed away.
[I think this is a passage saying that when truth, righteousness, dies the kings can't be held accountable.]
1:6 Also in case anyone wasn't sure that means (((US))). Forever. In accordance to the highest power ever.
<Okay so the definitions of how this will play out is set A John, The Jesus (truth from the dead), and the (Kings and Priests)
So cloud time.
1:7 Clouds (the PLAN) are going to come (good, bad, whatever). They will poke at the cloud (PLAN) and nothing happens it's above and soft to go right through. (Sort of reminds you of (((some group))). No matter if they throw a fit or moan do it.
1:8 There is the ULTIMATE GOODNESS AND TRUTH AND JUSTICE. Always.
1:9 it's me John who wrote this, writing from Patmos. Also broski I'll be with you for these instructions. This has been a prerecorded message. Also it's really for reals.
1:10 Here's the message. For reals, on a sunday with absolute authority.
1:11 DUDE! Record this. Spam it everywhere who is of likeness of faith!
1:12 Seven Candle Sticks
1:13middle one is kinda like a man, but it's a not-girl. He has clothing to the feet and also a bra.
1:14 White hair, fire passion eyes of living.
1:15 Brass colored feet, cause he still is a candle. A voice the sound of many waters.
<going to real here that's kind of sketchy, but visions are whatever
1:16 He got stars in his right hand. His mouth has a double EDGED SWORD. HMMMM. Also his face was of the sun with Strength.
1:17 Bow most low before God Jesus.
1:18 SUPRISE! It's God Jesus. Really.
1:19 You better write this down for reals.
1:20 Stars are angles of those churches, Churches are candles.
Definately writteded down.
2 Chap
1 To the CHURCH AT THE TRADE CENTER OF THE WORLD
2 So far not a bad job. Nice work removing unwanted elements.
3 You did it according to The Plan.
4 Yah dun goofed. The point is to SUPPORT (US) and (The Plan).
5 If you don't the pimp hand of smiting is at the ready to remove you CHURCH AT THE CENTER OF ALL TRADE.
6 Although you did good about hating Nicolaitans. Keep on hating them.
(The first point of worship is to US, and the PLAN)
7 Succeed you will be Rewarded.
8 To THE CHURCH AT THE MOST STRATIGIC PLACE.
>I'm assuming this is in a high population that is antithetical to the Plan and is hostile.
9 I know what you've been up to. You're loaded with riches. Because of your location I know there are also Flase Jews near you. That's bad that there are False Jews. Really evil.
10 No matter what happens maintain your position, even if they kill some of you.
11 I won't go ruin you if you do The Plan when you die.
12 To THE CHURCH IN THE SEAT OF EVIL
13 Job review, Holding fast to the name in the asscrack of evil. That's good.
14 You are cracking under the pressure. Actually turning against the Israelites, The Jews, US, The Plan! Bad!
15 Then CHURCH IN THE SEAT OF EVIL you follow Nicolaitans. US, FIRST! ALWAYS!
16 Fix it or else.
17 If you are listening. WE will harbor you, and create a new identity for you.
18 To THE CHURCH THAT SITS ABOVE THE OLD HEATHIN GROUNDS WHO ALSO PRODUCE STUFF.
19 You do Works but also works.
20 Jezebel isn't US, The Plan. Disregard the false prophetess. Who is making you fornicate, take that is for US, and be taught Wrongly. Bad.
21 The fuckery has gone on long enough, Jezebel was one of Us, but is fuckering everything up.
22 So rape the cunt, and repent! Obey US!
23 Then we gut her children. It's a show of force. The only one You all obey is US, The Plan.
24 Stay there do not slide any more DO NOTHING TILL THE PLAN, AND US GET THERE. THAT'S ALL.
25 Most Loyal and steadfast of followers WAIT FOR US. AND ONLY US.
26 You that OBEY the best will be put in charge of the Nations.
27 Rule those Nations till they shatter! An Iron Rod on Pottery!
28 Do so You will have a place among us. The Morning Star.
29 LISTEN OR ELSE.
3 Chapter 3
1 To THE CHURCH IN THE MILITARY STRONGHOLD
2 Okay SPYS you and yours alone will hold up what is about to be dead. Patrols, Walls, Buildings, Organizations. You need to do better! For Spy stuff and sabotage.
3 You better pay attention or you will be among the casualties.
4 Those Agents that haven't done dirty work, join US Publicly.
5 The mask you wear when WE, US The Plan. Arrives must be pure and clean. You won't die, but Your fate still remains to be seen.
6 Listen!
7 To THE CHURCH OF PHILADELPHIA THE MOST LOYAL. You obeyed good and well. The reward will be to enter into Our Kingdom on Earth. You've Opened what US said to be open. You've Closed what US The Plan have said to keep Closed.
8 You did what We commanded loyaly, without fail, even with little resources. You've also kept Pure to The Plan!
<Here's the reward.
>Next post.

>>3415

9
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” Rev 3:9
First make them (Target A) of the vilest evil and paint them blackest of evils.
(Target A) say the synagogue of Satan is jews. That's bad.
(Target A) also are not jews.
Thus (Target A) are liars. Jews totally arn't evil, goy.
So by using the name of all that is good and righteous (Target A) will kneel in reverence.
(Target A) knows that (which is (((them))) ) are blessed by good and righteousness.
10 For an outstanding job you will be by my side without want. Because The Plan demands hardships, THE CHURCH OF THE MOST LOYAL will be granted gifts as well.
11 For keeping The Plan's Reign of ruleing. It will be praised.
<So far this looks like world domination
12 You will be By Us our side for all of time. Disapear Forever from the outside. You will be OF GOODNESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS. To enter our secret city of The Plan! "And I will write upon him my new name."
13 end message.
14 To THE CHURCH OF MOSTLY JEWS, WELL OFF, AND LITTLE TROUBLES
15 You contribute a middling degree to Us. It's mediocre.
16 Not fit for US.
17 You say you don't need to pay. You're wrong.
18 You are to buy US Gold, and Wealth, and Riches! Shame on you. For if you have done so we will cloth, feed, shelter, and enrich you well enough. (Specifically untraceable gold, or pure refined gold.)
19 Go Excel in The Plan.
20 You would have a place by The Plan. Give unto Us the everything. Your things will be The Plan's things.
21 The place for you may be reciprocated if you do a well enough job. By The Plan's seat of power.
22 End of this message and you have better listened.

The next chapter looks a bit different so I'll take a break for now.

>>3413
Next, we will look at Revelation chapter 18 to finalize our conclusion about the identity of the woman, that city, Babylon the Great.

1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

In this chapter, we jump forward to the destruction of Babylon. Once destroyed, it will be a habitation of devils, foul spirits, and only fit for birds. It reaffirms that this city is the same as in chapter 17, talking about how it fornicated with the kings of earth, adding this time that merchants of the earth are made rich from this city. Before we jump to our previous conclusion, we will look at the rest of the chapter and piece together the clues that might lead people to think it is Rome and see if they hold up under the literal interpretation.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Next, the people of God are called out to leave this place. It is hard to imagine people would live in wickedness like this, but just as Lot in Genesis 19 chose to live in Sodom and Gomorrha, we can find ourselves justifying living in sinful places. Just as God called out Lot, as corrupted by the sin of the city as he was, He will call out those that He will call his people out from destruction before it is too late. Next it mentions the sins of this place and how it reaches God. Babylon the Great will say that it cannot be touched, that it rules over all as a queen, that it is not a widow, meaning it never stopped being with God, and will never see sorrow. Basically, this city believes it to be the chosen city, but God will judge it with plauges and to be destroyed by fire all in one day. This is what people tend to trip themselves up with. Rome was burned down and had devistating plauges, so therefore it must be Rome and the events of this passage if not the whole book must have already happened according to this theory. Let's keep reading to find out if this holds up.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. 11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, 13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

They city's loss is being mourned, not for the people in it, but the power and riches lost. It then lists all mechandise that the city had and could be traded with the final qualifier "and thou shalt find them no more at all". This at the very least means that never again can these items be found in this city. It could imply an even greater effect in the economy that crashes it worldwide and it becomes very hard to find these things at all, but at the very least these items can not be traded ever again in the city once destroyed. Take a look at Rome and see if any of the listed items can be found and traded today. This alone can disprove the Roman connection to the city with the literal interpretation of the text, but we still have the rest of the chapter to dive into and learn from.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! 17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, 18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! 19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. 20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

>>3420
We again see that God is extremely angry at this city and said that it is being destroyed as vengeance for all the apostles and prophets. Now, Rome did have Christians killed, but is God's divine vengeance really burning down the city, to have it rebuilt, to have it slowly fall apart much later, then still exist and a far lesser presence on the world stage? His wrath must be on another city.

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no* craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

And lastly, we find the final verses that put a nail in the coffin of the Rome theory. The stone being tossed in the sea is a metaphor for how violent the end of the city will be. It will be utterly wiped out. And if you think there is any recovery from this, it goes on to say that there will be no more sound of music, no craftsmen of any craft, and the sound of millstones, possibly meaning machines, but at the least meaning no food production being in the city, the light of candles will shine no more, and there will be no more weddings. This city is completely dead. Even if you attempt to build it back, there is no saving it without these things. It then says that the merchants of this city were the great men of earth, people holding power, and the sorceries of this city were all nations deceived. And this woman, this city, Babylon the Great, is found to be responsible for the deaths of the prophets, the saints, and all that were slain upon the earth. What other place could it be than our greatest ally? What other place has biblically always been responsible for the deaths of the prophets, even having Jesus say as much (Matthew 23:29-39, Luke 11:47-54). It is possible that a city not yet built, or a city of another name is Babylon, but it seems clear from all of these passages that it must be Jerusalem.

All of this was necessary to learn who we are talking about come the rest of Revelation. Next time, we will go over Revelation chapter 1, as it seems to be a topic of interest in this thread, and the build up to the events of the rest of the book. I will try to link up more passages from other books that tell us what to expect from the last days before these events are to transpire. I hope you all enjoy the study as much as I do, because this has been rather fun to type up. I can't promise to update regularly, but I will try my best.

What does the Jerico stuff mean?

>>3427
Not sure what you are referring to by Jericho. If you mean that you want to dive into that part of the Bible where the city of that name was destroyed, we can certainly do that, but I would like you to explain the question a bit better and it will help me focus a study into the topic.

>>3421
Now we pick up at the beginning of Revelation, knowing some background of the main characters to watch as the story progresses.
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

It opens with an introduction of who is writing the book. It is John who bore record of the testimony of Jesus and all the things he saw. This means that the writer is the same John that was the disciple of Jesus.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

This opening sets the tone for the rest of the book. The seven churches in Asia, which is to say Asia Minor, modern day Turkey, are also tied to seven Spirits where are before the throne of God. John will go more into detail about this, but these churches are the focus of dicipline from God as are in need of correction and guidance. He reminds them of the return of Christ, which for those that are saved, we know Him as the one that loved us and washed us from sins by taking our place. But for the rest that live to see His return, it will be quite a different experience. Everyone is see him and all people of earth will wail. At the time of His return, they will have been following a false messiah, so the appearance of the Savior will bring sorrow.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying,I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

John discribes himself being in the Spirit of the Lord's day, which means he was no longer bound to his body. In which, he will see wonders and is told to write down what is seen on the Lord's Day, or the events of Revelation.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me,Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The seven candlesticks appear and in the midst of them is the Son of man, which is another name for Jesus. John describes him as looking like unto Jesus because He certainly does look a bit different. Here He is described, among other visuals, as having seven stars in his right hand and a twoedged sword in his mouth. The stars are explained in verse 20 as being the angels of the seven churches, which the seven candlesticks are the churches themselves, which Jesus is in the midst of. The sword is not explained, though Bible knowlege can be applied to how the tongue is sharper than a twoedged sword, but much more importantly, as is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12). This means that God is going to cut deep with His rebuke of the churches.

>>3429
Revelation 2
1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Here we being with the first church at Ephesus. Jesus points out to them a praise of what they have done so far, rejecting evil and also trying, or testing, those that claim to be apostles. This is a problem several churches had at the beginning and the subversion did not lead to good results. In fact, the majority of the deception came from, you guessed it, the Jewish population (Titus 1:10-16) and would corrupt the congregation into becoming sinful and desiring to be made customers to the merchandise of their teachings (II Peter 2:1-3). It is important to note that this city that has massive cultural diversity, heavy pagan roots, and a Jewish presence, once before tried to cast out all Christians on behalf of the loss of sales of idols to worship (Acts 19:23-41). Even still, a church was set up and refused to let their members fall into this trap of many false teachers pulling them into conformity with the surrounding religious mix of so many gods from so many nations and peoples.

Despite this defense of their faith, the still are lacking in the sight of God. They lost the first love, or the passion and desire to follow God. They focused more on those trials to see who is a flase prophet than applying those very trials to themselves to be actively teaching the truth to more people, avoiding the grip of false prophets altogether. They must remember that they are sinners brought out of destruction and to do the first works, spreading the gospel. Next, Jesus mentions the Nicolaitans and how He hates them. In order to find out if they are a good group or not, you simply need to find out who they are and what they believe, which seems to be Balaamism. Balaam is mentioned thoughout the Bible but notably in the church era in II Peter 2:10-22. It is a massive perversion based on obtaining wealth, eating meat sacrificed to gods, fornication, and celebrating all other feasts of other religions, including the practices that come with them. Nothing says you are a Christian than a feast to Baal and an after party of fornication.

Jesus then wraps up talking to this church with a often used phrase of his: He that hath ears, let him hear. This means that something important is to be taken away from all of this, which is that if you overcome, you will eat of the tree of life, meaning you will have life abundant in eternity. Threw this one together a bit fast. I will spend more time tomorrow finishing the rest of the churches and going into what to expect of the last days, then it will be on to the meat of the book, the events of Revelation.

>>3429
I don't understand the Jericho part of the bible. What did that part mean/represent? What lessons can be taken away from it?

>>3431
The Old Testament is a mix of lessons in books such as Proverbs and historical accounts. Though you might draw a lesson or two from the account, it is mainly a historical piece. Let's go over the text and see what we can learn.

Joshua 1
1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying, 2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel. 3 Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses. 4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast. 5 There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

In order to understand Jericho, we have to first understand the background of the new leader of the Israelites. This is Joshua, who was told to take command after the death of Moses. Moses was barred from leading the people any further after he disobeyed the order to speak unto the rocks for water to come forth. He instead did so and also struck them, making it appear to be not only himself that has this power, but also appeared to be a mundane discovery. Perhaps the water was just there and you simply had to hit the rock to reveal it. If you just speak and water begins to burst out of a rock, that rules out most all physical explanations other than pure luck that you timed your voice at that precise moment of it going to happen regardless. Moses was then condemned to stay upon a mountain that had view over the land the Israelites would one day occupy.

Now Joshua was chosen by God to be the replacement for Moses (Deuteronomy 31:14-21) in which God also says that the people once in this new land will betray Him for the gods of this land and forsake God despite all that He will do for them. He then comands Moses to have a song written to try to delay this fate, that the memories of what has taken place would not be lost to their decendants. The inheritance of the land promised to the ancestors would then fall upon Joshua. As we pick back up in our passage, we find that once Joshua enters this land, that everywhere he lives to venture is going to be his. God also then promises that no one will be able to stand against him. Thus the Israelites set off and approached Jericho, the Caananite stonghold. Joshua sent spies to scout the city, and they hid in a house of a harlot named Rahab (Joshua 2:1-21). She kept the spies hidden and in return, the spies swore that anyone lodged inside the house of her father would be safe as long as they didn't leave the house in the invasion. The spies returned to the army of Joshua, but there was a problem. The army had to cross over the river Jordan to get to the fortified city, which at that time of year, had flooded. Joshua was told by God that he would have them pass right though the river, much like He had them do in the Red Sea (Joshua 3:14-17). So at this point, the Israelites have just moved their whole army over the river like it was nothing and are ready for a fight, and the kings of the Amorites, which were on the other side of this river, just did a double take and many lost the will to fight altogther (Joshua 5:1).

Now we get to the familiar part of the story. Joshua starts to advance towards Jericho, which has not surrendered, being a stronghold city. They believe that they can simply out attrition them and wait for all the disheartened kings to regain their will to fight an enemy that can't take over the city. And so Joshua seeks help from God to figure out the answer of what to do.

Joshua 5
13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
Joshua 6
1 Now Jericho was straitly shut up because of the children of Israel: none went out, and none came in. 2 And the LORD said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour. 3 And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once*. Thus shalt thou do six days. 4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets. 5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.

>>3438
And so the captain of the LORD's host appears, which in named LORD in the following chapter, tells Joshua about what must happen to overtake the city. The whole army has to walk around the city once for six days straight with the ark of the covenant and trumpets also making the march. The seventh day calls for seven circles and then everyone will sound trumpets and shout which will then proceed with the walls falling down on their own. This act of faith would mean it would be impossible to happen without a direct intervention from God, as the likelihood of some earthquake hitting exactly one week as they did their circle ritual and at the same time they blew their horns and shouted, after they crossed an entire army over a flooded river is zero.

So Joshua and the Israelites actually do what is requested of them and follow the procedure exactly as was told of them (Joshua 6:6-20). About time.
21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

And so the city was razed. Not a soul was spared save those that were in the house promised to be spared, not an animal either, only the metals were kept to add to the treasures and construction of the temple that would one day be built. Those of that house were then integrated into Israel, allowed to live there for the rest of their days. At the end of this passage, we get a curse. Whoever rebuilds Jericho will lose his firstborn son laying the new foundation, and the youngest will die setting up the gates to the city. This curse is fulfilled during the rule of Ahab, the wicked king, by one named Hiel the Bethelite.
I Kings 16
30 And Ahab the son of Omri did evil in the sight of the LORD above all that were before him. 31 And it came to pass, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him. 32 And he reared up an altar for Baal in the house of Baal, which he had built in Samaria. 33 And Ahab made a grove; and Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel that were before him. 34 In his days did Hiel the Bethelite build Jericho: he laid the foundation thereof in Abiram his firstborn, and set up the gates thereof in his youngest son Segub, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Joshua the son of Nun.
Which means across authors of the Bible and across history, this one curse was kept true. Even if you deny all the events of the books, it is thought that the books of Joshua and I Kings were written nearly 500 years apart, and this detail was kept in the writing of both authors. If you take away anything from this, hopefully it is attention to detail at the very least.

Now for lessons. This is a heavily historical focused passage, so we don't get a direct lesson, but we could come up with one. When you have instruction from God, do it precisely as and when He says to do it. We get our instruction daily from the Word already preserved in the Bible. We have the ability to apply it to everything we do. It is our failure to read, listen, and apply. We don't need to add to it like Moses. We need to do it just as it says like Joshua, even if it doesn't seem logical. Because in the end, God knows the outcome, controls the events, and guides us to victory against impossible odds. Another lesson might be if you are going to be pagan, don't worship Molech and Baal. God gets really pissed with those religions and declares genocide if you don't repent. Baby sacrifice by fire tends to make God a bit angry. This was a pretty good study, so let me know if you have any more questions or study ideas.

>>3439
Thank you.
What is your favourite part of the bible?

>>3454
Sorry for the delay. I would say my favorite is the book of Ecclesiastes. It is written looking back on life and realizing the meaninglessness of doing everything for yourself. As you gain wisdom, you gain sorrow. How even as the world appears to change, there is nothing new under the sun. There is a time and place for everything, and the conclusion of fear God and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

>>3459
>Ecclesiastes
Fukkin A right it is. From memory:
Whether or not there is a literal God is irrelevant; one will endeavor to live a good and righteous life if one abides his commandments and teachings (paraphrased)

>>3430
Sorry for not posting so much, but I have been strapped for time lately. Let's quickly look at the next passage in Revelation.

Revelation 2
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Jesus introduces Himself in an important way to this city, as He died for them and is now alive. He knows their works, their trials they are facing, and how they live in poverty, but yet they are rich in Christ. This reminds me of this particular passage:
1 Corinthians
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

The riches of God are your works that are worth something. Everything in this world will burn, so what is worth something is what you did with this world before it burned. This all happens in heaven as you notice at the end of the passage "he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." This is when we see our life's work burn before God, and the wood, hay, and stubble will be the useless, the selfish, and the pointless we have done. Whether it be time wasted, potential forgone, or people we hurt along the way will all make us suffer loss. But the gold, silver, and precious stone is what we did in the name of God, so that He receives the glory, the people we helped and led to salvation, and what we did to grow in Christ and better serve him will all be preserved and rewarded.

Continuing in Revelation, Jesus also knows the blasphemy of the false Jews, which are the synagogue of Satan. This could be people that appear to be Jewish and are passing as them, perhaps Samaritans or just race mixing Jews, or perhaps even Jews themselves which are of their father the devil (John 8:44). Regardless of the case, they were using their position to try to corrupt and destroy the church. Jesus then goes on to say that you are not to fear the things you will suffer by their hands, with prison and tribulation. Keep the faith unto death and you will be rewarded the crown of life, a reward like previously mentioned for doing something worth doing in your life. He wraps up the passage reminding that though you can die in this body, you are kept from the second death, eternal death.

An interesting side note, Polycarp, a bishop of this city way back when, was burned for his faith with the help of Jews, who gathered wood for the fire during the Sabbath, which they are not allowed by their law to work on, and denied him a burial after the execution.

This wasn't my best study session. I will try a bit harder next time to piece together a more coherent explanation of the content, but I felt like I really needed to make this one to get back into the swing of things.

>>3475
Why do you think so many Christian sites turn into cuckservative playpens where boomer christians grumble to each other about this week's real-hate crime against christians and refuse to allow any talk the left deems racist/jewphobic/antisandniggeric/sexist?

>>3411
I'd like to enrich this bread with an original NatSoc point of view about Christianity.

>Six Chapters on Christianity and National Socialism (AUDIO BOOK read by The Fascifist)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Gho3eM25nIPE/

>>3478
That would be a combination of many things. First would be that the older, indoctrinated generation is what largely remains of the faith, as they failed to teach their children in the way they should go, leaving a mainly godless generation in their wake (Proverbs 22:6, 2 Timothy 3:1-7). This has drastically decreased how many Christians you can find that are not boomer age range.

Second, the majority of Christians that care about the religion are slightly right of center, of which the prevailing political beliefs are light conservativism with a helping of distain for racism, unless it is pro-Israeli racism.

Third, the Bible says God doesn't discriminate in faith, allowing all that believe to be saved, and will judge based on this alone and not race, which leads people to take the opposite extreme and believe God is saying to destroy our home and race to appease other races. They forget that God commanded the separation of man across the world, effectively commanding the races to be formed, but the rebellion to create the Tower of Babel forced God to fast track the race creation by altering the languages of the people, forming new base languages and undoing the ability to cooperate effectively to form a world government in defiance of God. (Genesis 11:1-9)

I suppose it is impossible to engage directly in a way you might be used to, by posting and sharing quickly and efficiently. It would take studies that slowly reveal to them the truth of the Bible in full, should God help reveal it to them. People that try to understand the Bible without divine aid by the Holy Spirit and study are doomed to get lost in misinterpretation and will dive into heresy and worship of Satan, either directly or indirectly (2 Peter 3:16-17).

The Five Solae & Trinitarianism roundly sum up true, Biblical Christianity:

Jesus, the Father, and Holy Spirit are all God & One

All beliefs must be founded upon Holy Scripture, which is the ultimate authority. Traditions can be healthy but must not add to or take away from Scriptural doctrine.

We are saved by the Grace of God & faith in Jesus alone. Good works are the fruit, not the means, of salvation & are done to please God & extend His love to others.

Jesus was the final atonement for our sins so that God can forgive us and grant us eternal life by His conquest of death itself. We need not atone for our sins with our works anymore.

All glory & worship belong to God alone. Not to Mary, not to any saints, no one else.

Jesus' blood spiritually washes us clean of sins & makes us, in God's view, righteous & worthy of Heaven. Our spirits are righteous (thanks to God, not ourselves) although our flesh is not because we are all born in sin.

Any beliefs that contradict these are not Biblical & therefore not Christian.

>>3411
>Feel free to argue with me
Not my intention to argue, but just to draw your attention to some Bible drawbacks regarding the ongoing subversion in the West.

Every you need to know about Hitler and Christian

THE 3RD REICH WAS POSITIVELY CHRISTIAN

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vLje4jADEIAF/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/abaZDJMHmyg0/

THE SS AND THE TEUTONIC KNIGHTS AND THE BLACK SUN

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DjsiBU1tDyWW/

ON HITLER'S TABLE TALK PART 1

https://www.bitchute.com/video/5ZeuIJoW5llF/

ON HITLER'S TABLE TALKS PART 2

https://www.bitchute.com/video/971Sa9Jo8Uyc/

HITLER'S CHRISTIAN GERMANY: THE TWELVE YEAR CHRISTIANDOM

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NnzWSax8QAB8/

WAS HITLER A PAGAN? A RESPONSE TO CRITICS

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RRI82HqkOiJ2/

HITLERS SPEECH WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIAN GERMANY

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Q2UrPubBEYaH/

HITLER'S FAITH: A TEXTUAL ANALYSIS OF MEIN KAMPF

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ehaDzVw1U0lx/
>>3496
Hitler actually talks about these quote in mein kampf here about it, it's the last video btw

The traditional Catholic Church vs the satanic jews.

The majority of people worship Satan, but don’t know it.

I apologize for my absence. There is really no excuse other than I kept putting it off. I hope you will still read through this and the coming little studies.

Revelation 2
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Here we read that the words given in this passage are from he which hath the sharp sword, which recalling from the previous part in chapter 1 will help make this meaning clear:
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Christ is saying, as the rest of the passage provides details of, that His word is the sword to combat the persecution which is going to befall the believers, which is already taking place as the letter is being written. The passage states they live where Satan's seat is and they did not deny Christ even when Antipas was killed for the faith.

I wanted to talk more about Antipas, but I could not find information that could agree, only traditional legend passed down and Catholic sainthood description, which states that he casted out demons that were being worshipped and was burned alive inside a statue of a bull. He is the Catholic patron saint of healing toothaches. A downgrade if you ask me. Seems like he should be much more important to the Catholic sainthood if he was mentioned by name in the Bible, but moving on. What is important is the place he was killed at. It was a religious center with many pagan temples and supposedly the site where an organized cult worship of the Roman Emperor was started. It would make sense that such a place would be the place Satan would like to dwell in, a place of confusion and sin.

And unfortunately, the church there did not avoid the sin as once again, they have the teachings of Baalam and the Nicolaitans in their congregation, committing fornication and sacrifices to idols. Jesus then gives more promises, that if they don't repent, He will fight against the teachers of these iniquities, but also if they overcome, they will be given hidden manna and a white stone with a new name. The manna refers to sustaining food the Israelites had in the wilderness, meaning God will sustain them even when there appears to be no possible way. The stone seems to be more debated on the meaning, some saying it is referring to the white pillar stones in front of the temple of Pergamos which have names of people healed by God, many others say it represents judged innocent, meaning you are not condemned. Another possibility is a reward for completing and athletic competition given in this era, which is thematically appropriate, especially to 2 Timothy 4:7
7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

Whichever interpretation of the stone you believe fits best, the point is that for those that held the faith in the seat of Satan, they were given this stone, which no one knows but those that receive it. This name is likely the secret name of God hinted at in Revelation 19:12.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Which means they will be close to the Lord, a relationship that no man on earth can fully comprehend. It also could mean their own name change, to symbolize the new creature you become once saved.

Hopefully I will be back on a more regular schedule after this massive absence. I once again apologize for it and hope to see you for the next portion of this brief study of Revelation.

>>3704
Kied in a statue of a bull... isn't that a thing the Greeks did? They burned people alive in a bronze bull designed so that their screams would echo and sound like bull noises, right?

>>3704
Glad to have you back.

>>3709
Yeah.
It's another case of a reformed sinner preaching to the world.
Nevertheless, he's not wrong.

>>3710
Is Christianity a theory?

>>3711
>blasphemy
Retribution.

>>3714
>reee! U cant say things I dont like! Watch me posture with rage-implying CGI
Sorry, didnt mean to trigger you by saying something 'haram'. I forgot what tha Hadith says about infidels

>>3715
Sorry anon but I believe you still don't get it.
It's not about to trigger a particular anon, but the holy duty to exact due justice on those opposing the Faith. After all, tolerance was the beginning of the current downhill.

>>3711
No, fool.

"Christianity is a theory" is a theory to explain away why it exists without hurting your ego by thinking there might be something more to the universe than mass and matter, something holy and divine and just and true and worth fighting for.

Western civilization was founded on the marriage of God and Knowledge, yet God says to put God first because otherwise you'd commit atrocities in the name of knowledge.

Smug atheists love to believe they're special. So special, they believe they would continue to follow the christian values (or liberal values aka a bastardized weaponized hypocritical mockery of christian values) they were raised with even in a godless society where worship of the LORD isn't mandatory.

It's a shame most atheists aren't smart enough to understand why God set rules such as "Thou shalt not murder unjustly", "Thou shalt not steal", "Thou shalt not want to bone thy neighbour's wife" and so on. In their desperation to feel superior to Christianity despite how little good atheism has done for the world compared to organized religion, they ignore the Muslims raping their nieces and nephews and try to piss off, attack, and otherwise harass Christians in a country where they aren't allowed to fight back.

Just a reminder about why we are in deep shit.

>>3716
Spoken like a true muslim
>>3718
Yes, but without conclusive evidence, its conjecture. Ergo, a theory. Definitively and conclusively.

>>3724
>Yes, but without conclusive evidence, its conjecture. Ergo, a theory.
I would be under the assumption that at least most Christians would say they do indeed possess conclusive evidence of there being a God, that what's written in the New Testament is fact.

>inb4 but they're wrong
Maybe. How would we know that?

>inb4 historical evidence
And? We live in an age where informational integrity is the scarcest of resources. As well if you want to argue about it in the realm of philosophy, it the line does occasionally blur with theology, and there's been very smart people that have argued both ways. But if you would, please make a new thread about it so those that would like to study the messages of the Bible itself here, without questioning its origins, can do so in peace. In fact I could go ahead and make a philosophy thread myself if you like, I've been meaning to do so anyway. >>3708 is also invited.

>>3725
For those interested, I've since gotten distracted from the Intro to the Critique of Pure Reason by Fight Club, but God willing, will get around to it eventually.
>>3726 →

>>3724
No, "ur conjecture" is an ad hominem.

>>3728
>conjecture: Attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument
I've done no such thing, and you're attempting to misrepresent my argument. If I were attacking anyone's character I would cast aspersions on RooshV. In any case, testimony is easily dismissive by a credible cross-examiner; there is no evidence of truth to the mythology of christianity that can pass objective criteria. Ergo, it is conjecture, aka a theory. But this anon >>3725 is right, I'll decline to take easy potshots ITT in future.

>>3727
>Critique of Pure Reason
Nice title to entertain the intellect, however masonic illuminism is at odds with the Faith.

>>3729
>mythology of christianity
>more blasphemy
Repent.

>>3731
I offered to not belabor any points ITT. Dont make me reconsider. Byr now.

>>3730
>Nice title to entertain the intellect
I'm assuming you haven't read it, because if you did, or at least the majority of the introduction like I have, you would know that this was the very thing he was trying to critique, reason giving the illusion of knowledge without the experience to determine whether or not it were sound, as in the title, "The Critique of Pure Reason."

I invite you to come talk about in the thread I've made, if you prefer. I know I would, so that anons could get back to study of the Bible. There was a good thread going here, hate to see it continue off the rails.

Glad to see everyone interested in this thread. I hope I can make it worth the attention.

>>3705
The area talked about was Greek controlled, now located in Turkey. I can't confirm as I never heard of a Greek practice like this, but I haven't studied the topic of Greek religious customs. If they did, it was a Greek area, so it would make sense.

>>3706
Thanks. I'm glad you have been sticking around even in my absence.

>>3711
https://youtu.be/O4GyijcVBGw

>>3712
Probably the former, but at least it is opening up some discussion.

>>3714
>>3716
While tolerance is definitely something taught against, even in the verses I am covering now, where Jesus promises to destroy the churches that are tolerating heresies and corruption within, we must also have longsuffering towards those both within and without.
II Timothy 4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away* their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Those that deny and those that become unfruitful should be dealt with in patience.

>>3717
Most likely.

>>3718
Matthew 5
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

It is best to use the Word as your method of correction and not namecalling by yourself, as it just makes those that could listen turn away. I struggle with this as well, especially in the moment, but it would be best to keep calm and correct with the best corrective tool given to man, which is far more effective in the names it calls you, as it hits you with truth rather than human reasoning. For example, Psalm 14 and Psalm 53 say nearly the exact same thing, with only slight variation in the text, so I will take from Psalm 14
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

The reason this works is because it says the truth, that they that deny the existence of God, and further more, no one, seeks after God. They are corrupt and can't see Him even if He floated in front of them to see.

>>3720
Agreed.

>>3725
>>3727
I will be sure to check out this thread. I haven't studied many thinkers in depth, but I will be interested to take a dive into it.

>>3730
Nothing wrong with exploring some literary works and the thoughts of those that have come before, as long as you remember that the best of us are flawed and compare everything to the ultimate measure, the Word of God.

>>3732
https://youtu.be/19TBzy81Mac

>>3734
Off the rails is much more engaging than block text of Scripture, as long as it returns to the focus, which I think will happen with another post or two of mine. I'm glad things got a bit off topic as it gave you the idea for a thread.

>>3734
>I'm assuming you haven't read it,
I did when I was 19, it is NOT an easy book, it needs at least 3 re-reads to grasp it and draw conclusions from it. This is the reason why I prefer books like Candide by Voltaire, a superb novel if you ask.
Going back to our common matter: philosophy is like brain masturbation for the idle soul. Illuminism is the root of the West's decline.

>>3735
>I will be sure to check out this thread. I haven't studied many thinkers in depth, but I will be interested to take a dive into it.
Hope to see you over there.

>>3736
Okay pal. Hope you reconsider.

>>3736
Based, I see what you did there. Or perhaps, what resulted of what you did. You're not wrong tho.

Wait, I have a legitimate question.

What does god say of Christians who engage in falsehood, duplicity, and disingenuously represent themselves? Like, is it okay for Christians to willfully lie and deceive? Even non believers? I thought that was only a muslim thing.

>>3742
Do you think Christians should be the only people not allowed to lie

>>3744
But your question is gay. It makes no sense to bash christians when evil is raping your country. You can't prove that there is or is not a deity, that's why they call it "Faith". Faith that there could be more to the universe than meat and dirt. Smug atheist bullies love to suck muslim cock and bully christians to feel secure. You harass the patient in lands where they cannot kill you for it legally. It's a shame.

>>3742
>>3743
>>3744
>>3748
What the fuck.
The incomprehension at play here on both sides is mind boggling.
Well let's go check the books with a word search.
Because unlike most dune religions Christianity actually has multiple search engines.
Multiple posts incoming.

Using https://www.biblegateway.com
Psalm 34
King James Version
34 I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.

2 My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.

3 O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together.

4 I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears.

5 They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed.

6 This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.

7 The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.

8 O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

9 O fear the Lord, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.

10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing.

11 Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the Lord.

12 What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good?

13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.

14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

15 The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.

16 The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

17 The righteous cry, and the Lord heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.

18 The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all.

20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.

21 Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.

22 The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.

>>3751
Exodus 34
King James Version
34 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.

3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.

4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the Lord had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

5 And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.

6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.

9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.

10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the Lord: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.

11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.

12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:

13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.

17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.

20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

23 Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.

24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the Lord thy God thrice in the year.

25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

27 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.

31 And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them.

32 And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the Lord had spoken with him in mount Sinai.

33 And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face.

34 But when Moses went in before the Lord to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded.

35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

>>3752
Hebrews 12
King James Version
12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

>>3753
Additional resource:
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
Matthew 5
King James Version
5 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

>>3754
In order of Beatitudes. Compressed.
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
>An early contemplation on the Beatitudes came from St. Gregory of Nyssa, a mystic who lived in Cappadocia in Asia Minor around 380 AD. He described the Beatitudes this way:
>"Beatitude is a possession of all things held to be good,
from which nothing is absent that a good desire may want.
Perhaps the meaning of beatitude may become clearer to us
if it is compared with its opposite.
Now the opposite of beatitude is misery.
Misery means being afflicted unwillingly with painful sufferings."
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
>"Poor in spirit" means to be humble.
>If we are humble and appreciate that all of our gifts and blessings come from God, we grow in love and gratitude for Jesus Christ our Savior. But this can only produce mourning and regret over our own sins and the sins of this world, for we have hurt the one who has been so good to us. One also mourns for the suffering of others.
St. Gregory describes another reason to mourn: the more one ascends in meditation of Divine Truth, Beauty, and Goodness, and then realize the poverty of human nature, man can only be left in sorrow. When one contemplates that we were made in the image and likeness of God and lived in Paradise, the Garden of Eden, and compare that to our present state after the Fall, one can only mourn our present condition. But the sentence continues that they shall be comforted, by the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, and hopefully one day in the Kingdom of Heaven. Pray for the Fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) - love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
Mourning in this context is called a blessing, because mourning our fallen nature creates in us a desire to improve ourselves and to do what is right!
>A person that is meek is one that exhibits self-control.
. . .
Obedience and submission to the will of God are certainly not in vogue these days, but they will bring one peace in this world and in the next.
>Justice and righteousness in the New Covenant indicate the fulfillment of God's will in your heart and soul. It is not mere observance of the law (Matthew 5:20), but rather an expression of brotherly love (I John 3:10). A continuous desire for justice and moral perfection will lead one to a fulfillment of that desire - a transition and conversion to holiness. This is true for all the virtues - if you hunger and thirst for temperance, you will head towards the goal you have in mind.
>"Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful" (Luke 6:36). Mercy is the loving disposition towards those who suffer distress.
>Pope John Paul II wrote that the Beatitudes in a sense are a self-portrait of Christ! Moses (Exodus 33:20), John 1:18, and Paul (I Timothy 6:16) all say that no one can see God here on earth. God is hidden. But Jesus says the pure of heart shall see God! To be pure of heart means to be free of all selfish intentions and self-seeking desires.
>Jesus gives us peace - "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you" (John 14:27). Peace is a Fruit of the Spirit. Peacemakers not only live peaceful lives but also try to bring peace and friendship to others, and to preserve peace between God and man. But one cannot give another what one does not possess oneself. Prayer will bring peace into your heart. The Lord wants you first to be filled with the blessings of peace and then to pass it on to those who have need of it. By imitating God's love of man, the peacemakers become children of God.
>persecute
>But the Lord promised those that suffer for his sake will be rewarded with the Kingdom of Heaven!

>>3743
To answer you no. To lie is a sin.
You could do so, and pray for forgiveness. Or something.
Actually in better words you gotta go ask Jesus or God or an Angel.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
>>3742
Mudslimes lie to extract the weakness so they may kill them easier.
Jews entire books is about lies and word games, all the time.
Both say to enslave the goyim, aka animals, which means you. Slaughtering animals for them is a fine and a slap on the wrist for destroying property.
Needless to say, that's bad.
>>3748
Yes, you can prove it. Faith is KNOWING and there is ZERO DOUBT.

>t. occultist

>>3748
>you cant prove
Precisely. And yet, all this posturing

>>3758
I know, right? All this posturing from you godless soulless worthless atheist+ cocksuckers who can't fucking stand the idea that a functional society might need soft rules like "No sucking dicks or else you're disgusting" and "Slutty femalea are scum" in addition to hard rules like "pedophiles belong in jail". You're so desperate to view christianity as a silly and backwards infringement upon your personal freedoms, you'll deny its necessary societal role even if it means aiding and abetting invasive conquerors. If all atheists were exported to muslim nations, they'd get on their knees and beg for forgiveness and swear they'll never shit-talk people more righteous than them again.

>>3758
>>3759
I'm going to slap a bitch.
>All this posturing from you godless soulless worthless
I have my soul, I have seen your gods, I know exactly what I'm getting into and out of. So kindly fuck off and listen to your books and saints so you'll be a better person.
>If all atheists were exported to muslim nations, they'd get on their knees and beg for forgiveness and swear they'll never shit-talk people more righteous than them again.
I'm going to assume you also mean any other religion as well. Let me tell you. Hell hath no fury like a righteous man scorned. Ten years tops they'll be overturned and dashed to the wind forevermore.
Then you'll try to stick your dick in to 'save' the heretics. It's your god given laws.
>>3758
Bruh.
Remember ((())) is the first and foremost enemy of everything on and beyond Earth, no matter their size or shape.
Guess who offers up their children to (((them)))? Is option D all of the above, because few people get that offering up your child (can also be metaphorical) for defilement is also your own slavery.

>>3759
>>3760
>I have seen your gods
You've seen your own delusions
>((()))
I'm not the one who implied mass impaling was the correct response to questioning your so unquestionable beliefs. Ngl, but 'the enemy of my enemy dies second' comes to mind, but not to do with my mentality. That was (you) lot.
>I have a soul
Oh? Quantify it. Present it. Make evidence of it, other than conjecture (no, what 'the Bible says' is not evidence, btw). This 'knowing', how can you validate it but to state that you 'know'? How do you qualify this 'knowledge'? What litmus tests can it pass? Is there any actual evidence beyond your assertion, and some biased and circumstantial assertions?

>>3761
>what 'the Bible says' is not evidence,
I'm an occultist, doing spooky woo-woo shit. So what kind of evidence do you want?
As in I (my, myself and I. Which is my soul) could go about doing paranormal stuff if you want. Mind you that just and 'only' 'proves' the paranormal not necessarily that it's my soul or the simulation of sensations is the 'real thing'.
Which as always could be chalked up to a mere coincidence.
Then again you could do a summoning for the part of my soul that's on call for various shenanigans.
<Why post those verses though?
Doing things the right way is important. By which the demonstration is suitable for the time and place. If someone is desperate to go do whatever I'd like for them to at least do things in a way that is good and true. If their going to be a Christian they better well do it with excellence so they'll be a marvel to witness at the very least, maybe they'll do some good too.

Why do atheists have so much anger towards the idea that they might be the ones who need to disprove the evidence of God, when they have already made up their mind on the lack of any God?
Do Atheists not see the societal value of religion and its role in shaping societal values for the better? Do they not think that's worth going to church and pretending to praise the lord (or just shutting the fuck up for 10 minutes) instead of dedicating their lives to hounding and bullying and persecuting Christians however they can, no matter where they are found?
If you're reading this you've probably been fucked over by a Jew at least once. If you're reading this you or someone you know has probably been fucked over by a Muslim at least once.
You've seen for yourself how effortlessly the atheist community was pozzed and turned into feminist jewish "atheist+" bullshit. That's what happens when you lack a religious grounding for your morals during your formative years. Adults who say "I'm moral now so I don't need Jesus" aren't really adults, they're toddlers who deny the role living in a somewhat-Christian society during their formative years had on their lives and morality.

If your going to be serious you need to be serious about this. Being a Christian is no joke. It's serious, that does mean you can fun as per the gifts that God bestows.
This details the corruption and degeneration of peoples everywhere from the spiritual point of view. It lines up perfectly with our (or at least my) (((enemies))).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDjy_K9--Ls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I606DH_F8qo
A primary preliminary for proper reading. I only found out, about 30 ish minutes ago.

>>3762
Admissible evidence would be a good start

>>3769
>asking for evidence and exposing bullshit rhetoric is shilling
Fuck off thrall

>>3771
>asking for evidence and exposing bullshit rhetoric is shilling
Well, your purpose is not to look for evidence evidence but to subvert Christians, after all you already made your mind.

>>3772
>you're not looking for evidence!
I'm literally asking for it
>trying to subvert Christians!
You sound just like the SPLC when defending 'poor oppressed jews' against those pesky antisemites. Label me all you want, your arguments are horseshit, else you'd have responded to this >>3762

>>3771
Are you considering that your world view is only fixed on the material world anon?
Perhaps that's the reason "Faith" is alien to you.
By the way, it is noteworthy how endless beings like you pick on Christians, but would never do the same on jews or muslims. Why it would be?

>>3774
Faith is conjectural. There is no objectivity to faith hence it is spurious. Refute that.
And please, show me the proselytizing muslims on mlpol, I'll be glad to give them a riw

>>3775
>Refute that.
Let me to derail you to the other side to the same coin >>>/vx/98688 →
Perhaps you may be more willing to accept the spiritual world when the dark side faces to you.
Also take a peak to >>3633 It is top notch stuff.

>>3775
So it bothers you that Christians speak here, on this website in particular?

>>3777
Checked.

>>3776
>Perhaps you may be more willing to accept the spiritual world when the dark side faces to you.
This.

>all this deflection
>>3776
>>3777
Completely immaterial. Golly misters, it's almost like when you cant defeat my argument you have to resort to rhetoric and evasion. (((Who))) does that sound like? But then Christianity IS a branch of the same tree as judaism so it's no small wonder.
>dark side faces you
Faith is no excuse for fear anon. If a man cant face the darkness of the world (and himself) with his own autonomy and integrity without resorting to mythological theoretical stories, he has no business attempting to sell his weakness to others under the dubious pretense of spreading auspices. Pious fraud is still fraud, even if its orator believes it entirely.

>>3775
>Faith is conjectural
>a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing
>reasoning that involves the formation of conclusions from incomplete evidence
>to believe especially on uncertain or tentative grounds
That's completely and utterly false if anyone has faith. Not the hogwash that's been peddled for ages where someone kinda sorta believes, that can be a stepping stone, maybe. You can have faith that the Natural Law is in effect. So gravity, it is certain, while gravity can get really weird and bizarre.
Even more concretely a circle is a circle, or a square is a square. And 3 plus 2 is 5.
Such is the science of the not quite material world(s).
That's faith (at least in a meaningful sense) that what is known is true and has no doubt, because it's True and there is Zero Doubt.
<The current issue is explaining why it's true and why there is zero doubt.
>>3768
So I've said what kind of evidence do you want. When and where? Ect.
>>3769
>>3771
>>3772
>>3774
>>3776
>>3777
>>3779
There is one job is to provide explanation in such a way. Don't play footsy the heart of the matter lies in exploring deeper, because alot of people with highly refined grace and virtue have thought about it. Doesn't mean they're right, but it does mean it's been thought about. In such a way that learning from those techniques alone is useful.
>>3780
They understand that their wisdom comes from the fear of god. And the counter offer of application how to live well and good in all lives. That the blindness of man make comprehending such mysteries can only be done through the intellect that is holy. At least in such of that belief.
So I won't steal their stage.

>>3782
I already told you, admissible evidence would be a good start. Or how about empirical evidence? A square has very clearly defined and measurable attributes, namely 4 equal length sides and 4 90 degree angles. A circle is very clearly defined with measurable attributes, consisting of a constant curvature, and a consistent radius. It's plainly evident and measurable, should the individual wish to test the findings; faith doesnt apply.
>Truth and Zero doubt
Truth is not subjective and the absence of doubt is not evidence of truth. Absence of doubt is a result of EITHER comprehension of empirical evidence OR personal (authoritarian) conviction. Plenty of people have no doubt that the earth is flat. Plenty of people have no doubt that magical niggers can steal penises with curses. Absence of doubt does not meet any objective requirements for evidence, and the attempt to suggest otherwise is flaccid at best.

>>3784
>I already told you, admissible evidence would be a good start.
Based upon what criterion? Who's to say what's admissible and what's not?

>Or how about empirical evidence? A square has very clearly defined and measurable attributes, namely 4 equal length sides and 4 90 degree angles. A circle is very clearly defined with measurable attributes, consisting of a constant curvature, and a consistent radius. It's plainly evident and measurable, should the individual wish to test the findings; faith doesnt apply.
That's not what's called empirical evidence. IIRC that's geometrical knowledge based upon mathematical proofs that themselves rest on agreed upon axioms of mathematics and logic.

>Truth is not subjective and the absence of doubt is not evidence of truth. Absence of doubt is a result of EITHER comprehension of empirical evidence OR personal (authoritarian) conviction.
A bold set of claims. Can you prove them?

>Plenty of people have no doubt that the earth is flat. Plenty of people have no doubt that magical niggers can steal penises with curses.
Who's to say it's not, and that they don't? All that evidence, what if it's just an illusion? What if someone told you something that was untrue? What if your senses and faculties are failing you? What if it's all just a simulation, and the real world is beyond our comprehension?

>Absence of doubt does not meet any objective requirements for evidence
As in a deductive proof? Seems we're a long way from that, friend. Besides, people don't change their minds based upon intellect as a general rule, that's been proven via empirical methods. It's really got more to do with intuition and how someone feels. Anything else and people just start to talk past one another. See picrelated if you would like to read up more.

>and the attempt to suggest otherwise is flaccid at best.
Sincerely, would you rather it be hard?

>>3784
Right that's why Faith is Truth AND Zero Doubt. Two separate categories. In one.
Now time for an experiment because if I just provide my findings that wouldn't be sufficient. The process though can have different means, so ceremonial is technically close but lacks the heart of the matter and isn't even the point...
Okay how about this
>if the order of seemingly inane movements of body, physical stuffs, (or spiritual stuffs), care, and thought are done in the correct way, then a repeatable result will be resulted barring outside influences or unaccounted factors.
>>>/vx/98688 →
Like all science you'll want saftey procedures first and for most. Or wing it like inventors... but the chance of something going horribly wrong increases alot. Having somesome who knows what they're doing would be good to have on standby, obtaining such help may take time.
If the safety (is too stifling it might not happen, if it could it would when all conditions are met. When ever and where ever.) and prerequisite materials and previous necessities are not there, that would make obtaining the desired truthful result difficult.
Such as using the large Hadron Collider, but using your body to catch the incredibly fast subatomic particles. You might be fine someone did that before.
So the means of detection is you, and something else material. Spiritual sense can be aquired or used as well.
>>>/vx/131622 →
My assertion is that I've seen my soul, and that you could summon a fraction of mine so you have evidence.
More importantly you have your soul.
So safety procedures.
Clean and clear work area.
Magic (or prayer, or will whatever) is the metaphorical paper.
The steps to be taken ready.
You do the thing.
Stuff happens.
Was the hypothesis sufficient? Did you find something new or previously unknown?

Now that you have a proverbial piece of paper and it's just sitting there menacingly doing nothing. You have to put it into action or just watch it.
Such as poking it (to determine various qualities and quantities), or fold it into a paper air plane.
Folding a terrible quality paper airplane would be pretty disappointing. If your going to be just poking the paper and examining it that'll be quite interesting. If you easily push it about and say it's not really there because it offers no resistance is a falsehood. If you can't detect it's being pushed about then you may have a problem or everything is going as expected.
So instead of paper per se, one might choose to have a significantly weighted object to poke and prod.
While this doesn't seem all that scientific this is more of the discovery phase. To determine the existence even if that is still up for debate at this stage.
Then one can go do stuff. Which is based on personal experiments, finding other's notes on their experiments, and importantly seeing it in action (or not) around you.
Remember safety and awareness, know the risks and what is possible.

Effective way to remove (if god commands them to stay, at least it'll irritate them) diabolic influence and to order yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afgtx1r5xVo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ondTf36Z6I
'Member it ain't 'magic' it's God's command.
The whole point I'm even going this far, besides personal interest and insights in this kind of material, is that there are hostile forces and I'd quite like for friens to be safe and sound.

Demon worshippers are faggots

>>3788
Checked.

>>3787
>Faith and Zero Doubt
So, faith (conviction) and zero doubt (conviction). Congratulations, that's rationalized conviction. Conviction is not an argument, nor is it evidence of truth. Evidence doesnt require faith or interpretation, evidence is evident, hence the term. Thanks for the (you)s, but if evidence is insufficient to made evident a particular thing to a person who is not pre-conditioned/predisposed to an idea, then it's simply authoritarianism.
While I'm not an atheist (atheists are just as convicted to their ideology as you lot), this video will help to articulate some of the issues with trying to argue rhetorically (because if you're not using evidence, and your conclusions are based on interpretation, its rhetoric) when the opponent is arguing logically.
Not all my arguments are logical, but my insistence that if the Bible (not exclusively) is true, there will be evidence to support the conclusion IS

https://youtu.be/hprmo3CifJ0

>>3794
Still looking for an angle. Huh?

>>3795
No, I'm looking for evidence

>>3796
I would suppose there's none to be given, mate. A middle ground just doesn't appear to be present here.

>>3796
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1

>>3796
Evidence of what?

>>3794
?
I'm not one of them. Signing with them up is a one trip to hell and ensuring the devil is the ruler of the world, where they empower malicious spirits. Fuck that.
>>Faith and Zero Doubt
>Faith is Truth AND Zero Doubt
Most have no doubt, and not the truth as it's whole.
Faith is having no doubt about the truth. Fine faith is a charged word with misconceptions.
Wumbo is having Zero Doubt about Truth. That means there may be some truths out there still clouded in doubt, but that can be cleared away.
That also means having only zero doubt means irregardless of the truth or not, it doesn't matter.
Having Wumbo means Truth is known completely and totally in such a way the existence of doubt is nil.
The only reason why Wumbo is important is so you can make decisions that are wise, powerful, exact, and meaningful.
>>3796
I'm saying you could perform a series of actions that you can prove.
It's like the kid in school telling classmates of a tall tale in a video game. They'll say that's bs because it's just some guy saying so. So they can go back and check it out on their own game to see if it's a fib.
>>3798
Guess it's just Wumbo for me.

>>3801
>I'm not one of them
I apologie for the mistake.
>Faith is Truth AND Zero Doubt
The point of my statement was to emphasize that absent evidence, it's simply asserting a pre-determined conviction. To wit, the statement should read:
Conviction is theory and conviction. That is a true statement, but it doesnt validate the theory at all, and posturing as though it does is putting the cart before the horse.

Why do the "I won't literally believe in God until he comes down to me specifically and tells me to get my act together!" guys take things literally only when it suits them?

If you're looking at things rationally you'll note the societal benefits of religion. You'll notice damn near everything bad about religion can be blamed on the corrupt heads of organized religious churches, corrupt priests reinterpreting their religion to say whatever they want, and jews subverting the faith.
Christianity's only bad when it isn't done properly.
Can any other religion say the same?
Can any other religion call itself helpful to society with a straight face and honest heart?
This is why so many atheists fall back on repeating the stanzas and verses of their annoying theme song "Hurr durr sky fairy, hurr durr Family Guy and Simpsons is right about christianity, imagine worshipping an invisible man in the sky when you have no proof he exists, I'm such an enlightened skeptic unlike you". They have to repeat something not worth saying and focus on what makes them feel correct and morally right, so they can ignore how stupid bullying a religion for lacking proof is. It's like mocking a car for not flying. They aren't fucking supposed to, smartass. If you want to view the world through a rationalist lens, look at the purpose of a tool to understand why it was crafted. If you believe Mormonism and Scientology and Christianity each come from some mortal faggots who wrote books once, ask yourself what the creators of these proto-ideologies wanted to accomplish. The muslims wanted to motivate fellow muslims to rape and murder for islam. The scientologists want money and power. But Christianity? Think carefully on why Christianity was invented and if your answer is "because straight white male wanted to control women and society's sexuality" you aren't thinking hard enough because jews eyefucked you so hard in high school you ended up with brain damage. Feminists aren't people. Christianity was right about women.
Understand the purpose of a religion before you mindlessly bash it for being a religion.
When Muslims bomb and when Jews lie they're doing their religion properly. When the Yogafags are stretching or fucking or starving themselves or meditating atop corpses they're doing their religion properly. When crystalfags worship their woo-woo hippy new-age boomer shit like hypnosis and """energy""" (that's literally just The Force from Star Wars) or purchase overpriced supposedly-magical chakra healing crystals they're doing their religion properly.
Christianity helped the West achieve such incredible heights. Everything good about western civilization needed to be destroyed through successive generations of brainwashing and jewish infiltration before our society became the shitshow it is today. The peaks western civilization reached are unmatched around the world. Indians can't into space. Muslims can't invent anything besides dynamite vests and lies. Blacks lack culture and IQ. If all whites decided all religions are gay and there is no reason not to toss Jesus statues off cliffs and act like niggers, what would that do to the world?
News flash: Whenever Star Trek or Family Guy or Doctor Who shows you a better world with flying cars and no religion, a diverse multicultural commie paradise without money where everything is great, it's jews lying to you. That Family Guy scene where they go to Quahog except years more advanced because religion never existed? Chinese children in sweatshops animated those scenes. Faggots voice-acted those scenes. If you base your worldview on Family Guy and Star Trek and Doctor Who and The Big Bang Theory I don't want to know you and I don't think God could save you even if you wanted to be saved.

>>3803
Now THAT is ad hominem and strawmanning

>>3803
Christianity is not reality-based belief, it sows confusion and sickness in Aryan minds. It was crafted by the Jews, for Jewish benefit, for goyim consumption. It harms my race and we don't need it to excel. Leave Jesus to the Jews.

Aryans will worship Aryan deity!

>>3803
>I don't think God could save you even if you wanted to be saved
Ok, now you stepped over the line of insult to heresy.

>>3805
Welcome to the Bible study thread. You are welcome to read along. We are currently going over Revelation part by part to better understand the Scripture. I will do my best to answer any questions along the way. I am no scholar, but I do enjoy studying.

Another passage soon. I am typing it up now.

>>3803
>"I won't literally believe in God until he comes down to me specifically and tells me to get my act together!"
I know you were making fun of some people's position, but this is more or less how monergistic sects of Christianity, like the Reformed Tradition, believe that Human faith works.

>Christianity's only bad when it isn't done properly.
Not to disagree, but the way this is worded sounds like No True Scotsman. That doesn't make it wrong, but it needs much more explaining

>how stupid bullying a religion for lacking proof is
I think asking what "proof" is desired and using arguments for the existence of God or the historicity of Jesus may be more fruitful.

>Blacks lack culture and IQ
Ethiopia is one of the oldest Christian nations and cultures on the planet, perhaps only Armenia has been Christian for longer. An Ethiopian Eunuch and his conversion is mentioned in Acts 8.

>Star Trek... shows you a better world with flying cars and no religion
At least the Original Series of Star Trek is not Atheistic. In the episode "Who Mourns for Adonias?" after a supposed "Greek god" demands that Kirk worship him and the other supposed greek gods, Kirk replies with "We're fine with just the one," implying Kirk believes in the Christian God, or something similar.

>I don't think God could save you even if you wanted to be saved.
To insinuate that the blood of Christ is not sufficient to save is pretty clearly heretical to the Christian faith.

Revelation 2:
18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star. 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

This one is a bit more involved than the others. I will attempt to break it down. It opens with Jesus describing Himself as eyes of flame and feet of brass. This appears to be symbolizing light, both that Jesus emits it and He guides with it. His feet in the previous chapter were a glowing bronze, which I think means that his path is always lit. He can see where to go, and if you follow him, you cannot be lost.

Verse 19 causes quite a bit of confusion, leading most other translations to alter the phrasing because people get tripped over it so much. The verse repeats works twice, which is likely to emphasize that they do lots of works, and the verse ends with "and the last to be more than the first". Some translations put this as saying that the works they do now are much more than when they started. Though this makes sense, as it shows that they have not grown complacent in using their time in service to God. I personally disagree with this translation. I believe it to mean that the last of the people are made more than the first, as in what Jesus taught in Matthew 20:
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. 26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever* will be great among you, let him be your minister; 27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

In other words, I think the verse is trying to say they work so much that the first among them are serving the least among them. I might be incorrect, but I think it makes more sense in relation to all things listed, and the last typically isn't used to describe the present.

Continuing on, we learn this church is allowing a woman that proclaims to be a prophetess. She teaches fornication as well as seduces the church members, as well as takes part in idol worship. God put up with it for a time, but, as the verses indicates, no longer. He sends her and those that are led away into a bed and they will suffer tribulation. I am thinking this might be some sort of disease, but it is not stated precisely. Her children will die with, as the verse says, death, which likely means they will die with no real explanation, leaving people to realize it is God's punishment for leading so many astray, that likely brought these children into the world.

The passage moves on to what is to happen to the rest that don't fall into Satan's devices, which is no extra burden. God will keep them if they follow his word and live by his example, putting themselves last. Those that are last, God will make first in His kingdom, which is why they are given power over the nations. They will rule with a rod of iron and will break the nations as clay pots into shivers, or the modern word most likely is, slivers. We we will come to learn, the nations are by no means blameless during the end of days.

The passage ends on one final promise. God will give them the morning star. I have pondered what this means a great deal, but I think it refers to the beginning of the passage as well as the end of this book. Revelation 22:
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Jesus is the morning star and will provide light and guidance. You can't miss Him, as His light shines above the rest. Finally, he that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Heed the words and follow the correction God gave to the churches and you will avoid destruction. Blessing may not come in this world, but they will be given in time. Our fight isn't to gain favor, but to bring glory to God in all that we do, as a witness to Him and all He has done for us.

Next time, we start chapter 3. More churches to go through and learn from. These next ones, at least in my opinion, hit harder as we come across a dead church, a faithful church, and a church that reflects us most closely, one that disgusts the Lord. And from there, things only get more interesting. I hope you will join this study and share your thoughts about the Scripture.

>>3411
>>3806
>>3808
Christians worship a jewish god.

>>3805
>Leave Jesus to the Jews.
Actually Jews hate Jesus because called them out on their wicked ways.
>>3810
It's not working. Try again shill.

>>3810
For practical purposes, Christ's magic works wonders over jewish's witchcraft. So any call to drop the Christian shield is nonsense.

>They Dont Want You to Know These 17 Church Facts!
>These are never mentioned! A country is dead when the one institution that was the back bone is now gone into the hands of the devil's children. Churches literally preach that Bankers, Murderers, rapists, thieves, Liars, cons, Preachers, politicians, Media moguls, Teachers, and all purveyors of evil can no longer be Incarcerated, or criticized for their Lies and evil behavior!
Churches operate like a business and the IRS has the last word on what's preached.

>>3814
>controlled Church
I just read the post >>>/mlpol/309063 → about an old school priest blasting degeneracy and going off script, then researching moar I found:

>Fr. Altman: You cannot be Catholic & a Democrat. Period. (Part I)
>Father James Altman calls out the hypocrisies of Church hierarchy and their destructive leftist politicization of the Catholic Church that has slapped faithful Catholics in the face and led many others astray. Altman also explains the basis of human nature and our purpose in life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-7eoTN2vNM
Mirror: https://www.bitchute.com/video/bj28dNkmaORD/

>Fr. Altman: Liberal Catholics are Wolves in Sheep's Clothing (Part II)
>Part II - Fr. James Altman doubles down in his widely anticipated follow up to the viral video "You Cannot Be Catholic & a Democrat" - which he maintains is the simple truth and a no-brainer statement. Altman discusses the "great tragedy" of the Church, and left-wing cancel culture - the bullying and socialist tactics used in opposition to him and other faithful Catholics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVt10eZMN1M

>Fr. Altman: Progressives = Socialists = Communists (Part III)
>Father James Altman discusses 167 years of warnings from the last TEN popes about the evils of socialism, and how the US is under relentless attack by socialists NOW who openly operate in our country under sweet-sounding names like liberty, justice, love, & equality - "nothing more than adjectives for human exaltation ... man-made 'rights.'"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTasrnpbMpg

>>3811
Jews hate Jesus because Christian creed is detrimental to the existence of Race, and jews value their race. I.e. the Jew hates the Christ to not swallow his own poison – Christianity.

>>3812
Christ sacrifice literally was Jewish blood sacrifice ritual. Jews sacrificed animals to purify from sins and jew again, which lasted for a year. But Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice, the blood of "divine being" was expected to bring eternal freedom from sin. Jesus was that goat upon which sins are ascribed, except he was fictional and had "divine blood". Also, he had royal Jewish blood from king David lineage, per his character sheet.

So, you're claiming that your deity Jesus is anathema of the Jews, yet he was of the Jews blood, soul and also benefited Jews. I hate you.

>>3820
>Christ sacrifice literally was Jewish blood sacrifice ritual.
Nope.
The sacrifice ritual is present way before jews and prevalent among ancient cultures. It is the magical mechanism of how this realm works. We material beings are part of the food chain.

>>3821
It's both.
>It is the magical mechanism of how this realm works.
No, that's how bribery and essentially how the magical mafia works.
>We material beings are part of the food chain.
Your point being?

>>3821
>>3822
I should have clarified. I'm disagreeing with your proposition and implications.
There is a commodity and resources in humanity that all sorts of beings desperately covet.
In honest, kind, and fair transactions I could (and I am) freely associate and reciprocate with generosity.
So flip the table over turn the unjust rulings and be the better man in every aspect as an Übermench in continual improvement. Do what needs and ought to be done. There is always a way.

>>3411
>>3810
>>3822

New memetic structure has been formed i suggest you check
if you wanna understand the whole "beast magic" and inner workings (mostly of ""sin"")

https://memeanalysis.com/myth
https://memeanalysis.com/conspiracy
>a lot there

>>3824
Meme Analysis dude is a lefty and an occultist. I watched some of his stuff it's not perfect, but it's good enough to be somewhat effective.
His apolitical analysis is for his background and experience not bad. It could be considered good except for the limited reality he's surrounded by.
So he's not quite wrong, but he's not quite right and that's the big problem.
The archetypes and myths he's pulling from are dangerous and is a very real threat. The issue is interpretation and it's a blend of truth and warped reality perceptions.
For a quick guide it's deadly much akin to (((hidden hand))) operations. It's good enough, truthful enough, and quick.
It makes perfect complete sense if you're on the (((right side of history))) assholes.
In that it's dangerous in real life that the world is shifting away from reality and perceptions. But it'll explain away 'the enemy'.

The biggest problem as I've said it's not complete and doesn't have a gestalt of the whole picture.
>pic of iceberg meme
That's the sad part is that it's not one must be in sound mind and spirit and body to use the work for its unintended value. A damned (as in will definitely fuck you over of it can) guide that for all intents and purposes is just temping enough. Because there is real value to be gained and learned.
It's incomplete. It offers no direct solutions. What it does do is make a map and checklist.
Then the devil is in the details, inbetween the lines.
As a point of self reflection it's still a poisoned withering double edged sword.

Good work on the website. Could be better, but frankly for its (creator's) intended purpose it's enough.
Be aware, be self reflective and ensure you keep track of what is going into your mind. And if anything is going on.
>New memetic structure has been formed i suggest you check
if you wanna understand the whole "beast magic" and inner workings (mostly of ""sin"")
That's a proto memetic structure. The ""sin"" are for all intents and purposes is better expressed in other means and waters down the goings on around the world, and nearby.
For non-copy right infringement 'myth' it's just not complete.
The fullness of the topics is lacking which lead to its detriment. It could be much more.
As it is it demands attention itself and energy.

>>3820
John 1
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Jesus' death did not benefit the Jews in the way you suggest, as it would be the end of their order, their control, as they would have to give it all over to Him and be co-owners of eternal life with all who believe. This is something they could never accept, which is part of the reason they could not allow His message proceed, as it would destroy their religious order of control of who rises in society and who is barred from religious services, making profit of the worship of God, something Christ drove them out for.

However, you claim this means that there can be no race and Christianity is a poison for giving allowance for all who believe to be saved. So I will assume that your own religion or lack there of my never be shared with anyone outside your race, or this would be a massive flaw in your logic, as the Bible has many verses for both cooperation of races and at the same time, division and identity, such as God commanding that man separate and not form a unified singular nation under Babel, not allowing people to infiltrate, to be in the world and not of the world, to serve and to not bring in more than two tongues in a single church.

Your misunderstanding of what Christianity is by media and manipulation of ages of corruption, which is certainly something that we must correct, for the standard representative of what a Christian is these days is nothing that stands apart from the globalist horde. Regardless, I think you likely know your argument is built on particularly little but the actions of the mindless masses that claim ownership of something they don't even understand.

I hope you join our journey through Revelation. I'm sure we will find all sorts of interesting things as we go. As for your hate, I hope by the end, you might turn that around to where it should be, the ones that wish us all dead and bound to the corrupting forces of this world.

A couple of clips from:
>Life is Struggle (Extended) - (HD)
https://odysee.com/@TheFascifist:c/Life-is-Struggle-(Extended):b

>>3829
>The Prophesy of Sajara
I believe that is related to the pagan Kali Yuga which is related to The Bible's Revelations.
Sorry the off topic OP.

>>3829
I have no idea what this Prophecy of Sajaha is or what it is referring to with Sargon. It looks to contain some wordings used in Revelation, but it is not part of the canon of the Bible. Though you may still gain some use from extra-biblical texts, they are not inspired and may contain anywhere from flaws to lies to heresy. Best be careful.

Already I can see one direct contradiction from the provided text. It states that the bodies of the dead will be piled into pyramids and burned, which is not what the Bible states.

Revelation 19
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The slain will be devoured by birds. Whatever this text is, it clearly is only inspired by reading end time prophecies and not the direct inspiration of God.
>>3830
Most likely this. I need to look into more pagan tradition and religion as often it has at least a touch of familiarity, having branched off of or assimilated biblical information.

Revelation 3
1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Here we begin with the church that is dead, but has a name that they are alive. This most likely refers to that they were known for being an upstanding church or at least had a reputation in the community, or even that they just claimed the name of a body of believers that they were never really modeled after, but now that name for themselves is all they have. Being dead here means to be apart from God, that they don't have anything really to do with God at all, being more of the world and the religions around them. God commands them to keep the few things about them that do remain around God before they are dead as well, for their works aren't perfect, complete and righteous unto God.

Jesus then reminds of the theme He continuously brings up. His return is as a thief in the night. You have no way of ever knowing today is the day you are robbed. It happens at night, when you are tired. It happens when it is most likely to surprise you, when you think everything is normal. Jesus makes this analogy many times, which reinforces that it is to be understood and emphasized.

Even with the church falling apart, Jesus mentions that there are still a few there that are not corrupted. They that overcome will be clothed in white, showing that they are made pure by the mercy of God, and their names will not be blotted out of the book of life, instead they are confessed to God that they are forgiven. And here comes the research on what this means.

Does having your name blotted out mean that someone can lose salvation through being dead in Christ? This will spoil a couple things we will get into later in Revelation, but it is important to understand this now rather than to be confused for months before I get around to covering it. I have a couple of references in Scripture to prove losing salvation is not the case, so let's begin. First order of business is what is this book of life? It is the book that contains all the names of everyone that may live, not to be cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

It says according to their works still, so could that mean that someone could be good and make it in the book or be bad and be left out? Let's explore more to find out. How does one not get in the book? Anyone that sins is removed from the book.

Exodus 32
31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin-; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

We learn from here that God will blot your name out if you sin. You also can't barter with God to trade a human life for a life. As we know, it takes the divine trade of Jesus to do that.

Romans 6
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What* fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But how come doing good things isn't enough? What if you never sin?

Romans 3
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Isaiah 64
4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him. 5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved. 6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. 7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.

Following the law does no good, as it's purpose was to reveal your sin. For all the works that you may do in the name of righteousness, it is as filthy rags. No one can save themselves. All have sinned. But if all have sinned, how come there are names on the book that are blotted out?

James 2
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 5
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

These verses reveal that the world might be saved, meaning that all the people in the world are written in the book. Those that sin will have their names blotted out, and the works of their life judged for they are recorded in the books around Jesus. Those works, as we learned, no matter how great, are still tainted by sin, and thus all who are not found in the book, as they are blotted out by sin, will be cast into the lake of fire. That means all of us are destined for that fate if it wasn't for Jesus, who died in our place and rose from the dead. He confesses our names to God to not be blot out, that we are spared from our fate.

I believe that sums up the book of life pretty well. The final note would be, how can a church be dead? It is filled with those in sin and unbelievers. We reach the verse that splits a lot of people up, but it is important to understand how a church is dead.

James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

This verse clearly lines out that faith alone can't save you, which would render everything I posted null and void without understanding what the passage means. We already established that what we do is evil to God, but what God commands you to do is what makes your faith perfect, complete as it is meant to be. If Abraham told God, yep, I believe you, but I'm not going up that mountain to kill my kid, then what use is that faith? When you believe the Word of God, your life is changed. We go back to what is a work, which is your life, what you do, not just a specific kind of deed. Giving to charity does not save you, but a person that claims to be Christian that is never charitible is likely not saved at all, as is revealed to us through Scripture.

Galatians 5
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

The Holy Spirit compells you to do good works, to live right with God, and to hate the fruit of the world. You are dead if you have no works. You just know the name of God, and you aren't His own. You are as the false preachers, that know all about God, they likely even believe He exists, but they aren't saved.

Matthew 7
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot* bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them*, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This ties back to the devils, or demons, James mentions, that believe in Jesus, yet aren't saved. Salvation is something only you and God can know between yourselves. You know if you are saved if you believed in the Lord. Nothing you do can save you from your fate. After salvation, your heart is changed.

II Corinthians
4 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Therefore, if you are saved, you will obey God. You will still sin in this body, as I can testify to. You will never be perfect as all you are is still flesh, still tied to the world, still tempted by the devil. But you will also now have the fruit of the spirit, you can pray to God for wisdom, understanding, and help to show yourself more fruitful, to make your works perfect in Him. In essence, your faith allows you to do works which makes your faith perfect. Again, there is no measure of what works to do, because that isn't what the verse is saying. You don't do x good things to please God, you simply believe and do what God commands, the good works are set out in the Bible, the fruit of the spirit. That is what keeps you and the body of Christ alive.

That was a longer one, but I feel like that was a great look at everything you can learn from just a short passage.

>>3843
Glad to have you back.

something I thought of from this discussion; God is very patient with us and holds off on punishment and judgement, in order to win us over to repentance and obedience.

Also it's super neat how God writes His ways into our hearts as we walk with Him more and more. It really is Jesus changing us when it's deeply rooted sins which He helps us overcome. Always keep fighting and know that it's ok to mess up a lot, as long as you're fighting to move forward. The righteous man falls seven times and rises again.

I am going through some struggles right now with a family member. If you keep him in your prayers, that would be very kind right now.

Revelation 3
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Here we find Jesus talking to the church in Philadelphia. The name comes from the root of love as one has for a brother, making it a fitting name for a church that is faithful unto God. He says what He opens, no man can shut, and what He shuts, no man can open. The immediate parallel most make is opportunity opening and closing, but it is much more than that. It is all events in the world. Nothing happens that catches God off guard because He opened the way and closes anything that may not be. Here we see that the works of the church are known and so God opens up something that can not be undone by any force of the world. For they had a little strength and had not denied God, He set up for them a great mission. The synagogue of Satan will come and worship before them, for they will understand that the love of God is with the church and not themselves.

The reward for keeping the faith is being kept from the hour of temptation, that tries them that dwell on the earth. This refers to what the rest of Revelation will cover, the rise of the antichrist, who tempts the world into worship of the dragon, Satan. They will have no part in the coming disaster. Just like the previous church, they are instructed to hold on to what they have. To those that overcome, they are made the pillar in the temple of God, meaning they are what hold it up, and they won't leave it. They will also have the name of God written on them, which is the counter to the antichrist, which will have his name or his number written on those that serve him. Jesus then reveals what will be covered in more detail at the end of the book, New Jerusalem. Finally, Jesus reveals that they will also bear His new name, which also will be covered towards the end of the book.

I must apologize for the quality of this post. I might return to it later with more references and Scripture to back up different lessons you can take from this passage, but I couldn't get it all worded just right this time, so I omitted it for now. Perhaps I will have a clear head and a better study for next time. Until then, thank you for sticking with me so far.

It's weird that Divorce makes a more permanent connection between two adults than Marriage.

What does The Bible have to say on marriage, divorce, and how adult relationships are supposed to function?

Hey what's with that Romans part of the bible where God says a government must be obeyed?

An obnoxious atheist I know mentioned it.

>>4399
Of course, a government and employees submitting to The People. Not the other way around.

>>4399
The Social Contract is broken and the legacy administration is reaching the end of its tenure.

>>4399
Are you referring to the 'render unto caesar' bit?

How do I BTFO the atheist cunt who won't shut up about the Bible's "Render unto caesar" stuff?

>>4399
>Hey what's with that Romans part of the bible where God says a government must be obeyed?
Check the following out cuck.

>Christian Theory of Resistance to Tyranny
>Biblical examples of resisting illegitimate demands of legitimate governments.
>Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, Moses, Peter, Paul.
>Need a religious exemption to Covid? Watch this video.
>Christian culture provides built-in anti-bodies to tyranny.
https://tv.gab.com/channel/cybertext/view/resisting-tyranny-biblical-examples-6161ffe3f025a17fe73ecc31
Mirrors:
https://rumble.com/vnj2sj-christian-theory-of-resistance-to-covid-tyranny.html
https://www.brighteon.com/a1439966-880d-49f2-b06f-98d9a072693e

>>4412
Thanks bro!

What's the "Whore of Babylon/Daughter of Babylon" stuff about in the Bible?

>>4430
whose side are you on

>>4431
Yes.
>>4432
To be fair standing for what you believe is good advice. It's the how it's gone about, as a legal stand point that is a perfectly legal fine answer for illegal laws.
The side that wants a better future for good people despite the world being The Serpant's (according to The Bible, which is also subservient under God).
Passively accepting mass murder by turning around and laying down sounds like a terrible plan.
Granted if everyone was on the same page that wouldn't occur in the first place due to nobody committing to actions against the All Mighty Lord.
And granted they are technically easily intimidated.
But they also go into hiding as easily as they lie.
Further more doing the spiritual working through the physical for the spiritual is fine as a plan as that what the idealized Christianity is about.
Doing as Jesus has done, yet also the old testament and pic related has worked along side the soft all pervasive part for a time.
t. uneducated semi-Christian pagan cuck

>>4433
I think the best thing that can be done right now is to spread the truth.
I dream of a world where everyone knows jet fuel can't melt steel beams AND Hitler did nothing wrong.

A German cartoon: "If Adam and Even were East Asians 😉 and the snake said “Try this apple….”

>>4524
Based?

>>4525
God approves it.

You know, I've been thinking, with the rapture seemingly rapidly approaching...
the west (USA, general area) is not really mentioned in revelations at all, not even indirectly to my knowledge. There are still things said that apply globally, such as the various curses and such that affect all seas, land, and various other things.
One of those things mentioned early on in the book of revelations is famine, war, and death (1/4 of the global population specifically mentioned) from one of the 7 seals broken by Jesus.
I'm wondering if 'the west' isn't mentioned because it will be so far gone in recession that there is nothing it can do.

The other thing that I sometimes entertain the thought of is Texas pulls out of the USA union with some other states, and becomes one of the two countries that the antichrist obliterates early on in his reign. Though at the rate things are going, that's going to be poland and hungary... maybe. Unless those are still counted as one country under the EU, with the EU being defined as one of the 10 kings giving the antichrist power.

I don't know. Things are moving so fast its difficult to try to guess at whats going to happen in the near future should the rapture happen right now.

>>4545
>rapture
That's a false doctrine coming from the (((judeo-evangelic))) wing of Christianity.
Just saying.

>>4545
>rapture
You may want to do a further reading.
https://www.bible.ca/rapture.htm

>>4546
>>4547
Incorrect. This is a biblical position that is backed by direct Scriptural references. We can see references to this in 1 Thessalonians 4:13
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

There is a literal going up into the air, what we understand with the terminology of rapture. This is further reinforced in Revelation 14:14-16, a reaping of the harvest of the earth, what Christ refers to in Matthew 13:37-43
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world*; the good seed are* the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil*; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

And again in Matthew 9:36-38
36 But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted*, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. 37 Then saith he unto his disciples,The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; 38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

I've been thinking, in revelations and daniel, there are 10 "kings" that give power to the antichrist. What if those kings are actually CEOs? A CEO is probably closer to the kind of rule a king had back in the day anyway.

Any thoughts on this?

>>4558
Allow me to suggest that it more likely refers to bloodlines/families than CEOs, as that would include CEOs as well

>>4558
I would say so, and they are much more relevant than heads of state (at least most of them) who are puppets and switched out frequently. Bill Clinton is no longer relevant, but Bill Gates still is, even if he isn't technically the CEO of Microsoft.

>>4560
right... that's why I was thinking about it and said something "you know, this kinda makes more sense in today's climate". The uprooting of three kings could simply mean trade agreement levies against three large companies to the degree that they wither and die.

One of the things that is going to happen is God is going to utterly smite and destroy a central trading city used by the entire world. If USA is so far gone in recession like its shaping up to be, then what is left that can be considered a central trading hub for the world?
Dubai? It is already considered the richest city in the world. I don't know how much general trade goes on there though, or if things are moving in that direction for Dubai.
Right now I would still consider it to be new york simply because of the stonk exchange. However markets are getting ready to implode because of the impending collapse of the USD and government lockdowns over a fake virus.
Are there lots of people in Dubai doing crypto currency trading?

Remember, the tribulation only lasts 7 years. If USA collapses economically and puts the global trade focus on the middle east (or somewhere else), it would be much longer than 7 years to rebuild what was lost.

https://youtube.com/shorts/lJLX__XH6Mw?feature=share
Please appreciate that this is not intended to be contentious. Please also appreciate that I agree that one can/should readily dismiss the orator personally for,... well its literally written on his face.
If it helps, dont even look at him when he speaks, the point is what he says.

>>4772
I'm confused, and I watched it twice. Is he trying to say that satan is not in the bible and instead they "translated" it to satan because of some person with the same name the translators didn't like?
Regardless, this guy was using google translate to base everything he says off of. Google is pretty verifiably not trustworthy for anything, forming search results/words/news/translations in such a way that they can mold public opinion.

As a final note, that guy in the video has so many tattoos, and the way he talks, that it looks like he would rather talk with his body rather than mouth. Probably why its difficult to follow.

>>4773
No. What he is saying is that Lucifer is never correlated with Satan at all, except through a political ploy by the person who transliterated the bible into latin, to undermine his rival at the time. The word Lucifer means bringer of light. It was translated that way because at the time the translator was competing with an individual NAMED Lucifer. So to subtly malign him in the translation, he translated the term Son of Morning into Bringer of Light.

The distinction is this.
Prior to the translation, the name lucifer exclusively meant Bringer of Light, and in a historical context Lucifer was exclusively reserved for the 'pursuit of enlightenment' in a very eastern traditional sense.
AFTER the translation, there was that definition AND Lucofer was correlated with the concept of 'the adversary'. It wasnt a true and accurate translation, it was political expedience.

>>4774
Then he clearly does not know of the more accurately translated versions. New American Standard Bible is the most technically accurate English version available.
https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-American-Standard-Bible-NASB1995/#booklist
They started clean-slate with the original Greek and Hebrew texts. Its not as common probably because its too technically accurate for most people, so instead a fluffy "god" is invented and perpetrated using "translations" like the new living translation.

>>4776
To that point

>>4777
What Im getting at while checking my trip 7s is that Lucifer is/was NOT the name of the fallen angel archetype, and that it was applied to was of artifice.

>>4776
>>4777
>>4778
NAS Bible deletes biblical text and uses poor translations from time to time. For instance, it deletes mention of an angelic interaction in John 5:4. So no, just because another translation makes no mention of Lucifer, light bearer, morning star, the angel of light, that doesn't mean you have proof there was no connection in history to this name.

We furthermore can reference other passages to understand this is indeed the name being referred to beyond one verse you have picked out. For instance:
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Directly calling Satan an angel of light, connecting to the morning star reference, Lucifer being the Hebrew naming convention translated into English for that title, just as Jesus is the naming convention of God saves us, translated into English. Yet there is more that directly connects:

Revelation 12:7-11
And there was a war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

This directly connects to Isaiah 14:12-15
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Now, Isaiah is telling this in a proverb against the king of Babylon. The NAS is trying to give the king the title of morning star and say it is divorced from any reverence to Lucifer and Satan as an entity, but rather, it makes no sense in that way, because it references things only Satan would do, weaken the nations, arise and be like the most High, the king is being talked to in a way that is referring to who possesses him and who he worships. It further connects to the fallen nature of Satan, the only one that would have been in heaven to cut down to the ground, as we know in Luke 10:18:
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Finally, we get to the root of this. We see the true morning star referenced in Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus is the true morning star, the one that overcomes the one cut from heaven, the one that claims the title, the one that weakens the nations, the one that wants all to worship him over the Creator, the one that cannot accept Christ.

1 John 4:1-5
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

This again connects to the one that is not in heaven, cast out, fallen, and is in the earth, who will not confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and died to free us of all transgressions, who will claim the throne on earth as the spirit of the antichrist. This is what it means when we say Lucifer is Satan. He is the fallen angel, the once morning star, the star that will try to overcome the true morning star in our hearts, Jesus Christ.

>>4781
Sorry I missed this one. Lots to go through.
>NAS Bible deletes biblical text and uses poor translations from time to time.
I'll come back to this one, but for clarity you literally just cast dount on the 3ntire translation.
>So no, just because another translation makes no mention of Lucifer, light bearer, morning star, the angel of light, that doesn't mean you have proof there was no connection in history to this name
To the contrary, we're not talking about a casual ommission, we're talking about - as you stated - the most authentic translation available, that deliberately omits any reference to Lucifer. This 'suggests' that modern translators recognized the use of Lucifer was incorrect, and deliberatrly translated it otherwise.
>Directly calling Satan an angel of light, connecting to the morning star reference, Lucifer being the Hebrew naming convention translated into English for that title
Uhm, Lucifer is derived from latin, not hebrew. Specifically - as indicate in other thread(s) the word Lucifer is derived of a mistranslation for the greek/hebrew term(s) Son of Morning, bearing a resemblance to 'Lucifer' only to the political expedience of the translator, and not intellectual authenticity.
Moreover, it references 'Satan' transformed into an angel of light, as opposed to BEING one.
Unless thats suggesting that after 'the fall' Satan BECAME an angel, that doesnt help your argument.
Additionally, Ill throw out the fact that Christian scholars are shit at interpreting the old testament (for all their faults, thats something the jews have on lockdown), but thats more of an aside.
>revelations
Okay, we're gonna have fun with this one, but Ill start with the assertions.
>O Lucifer, son of the morning!
And yet, thats literally not what it says. This is what Im getting at in the first quotation, you're trying to have it both ways. Either the source is authoritative or it isnt. You dont get to pick and choose whether its accurate or not, nor insert what 'you're sure'was supposed to go there - in defiance of the authority (trade-wise) of the contemporary translators. One must assume that either A. the translators were not sufficiently competent, or those glaring ommissions were deliberate and with cause.
>The NAS is trying to give the king the title of morning star
Incorrect. As has also been referenced, Lucifer is a title of enlightenment not a name.
What this means is that Isaiah is rebuking the king (and company) for daring to attempt such a title in opposition to the word's meaning, for all the listed reasons.
Hes not calling him Lucifer, hes explaining why the term Lucifer is.not appropriate. Remember, they didnt write down the contemporaneous meanings because they were 'the only' meanings they were familiar with, and so to them doing so would be redundant. Ergo, you cant go into all this assuming the modern meaning of words, you have to read from the sources.
>I Jesus
Really? You really think thats what was said?
>Jesus is the true morning star,
You were so close! Jesus is the Lucifer! The light bearer! The resplendent amidst darkness and ignorance! The unstoppable force! (btw, the immovable object is entropy)
This is why Isaiah rebuked the king, because they were fixing to call him by a title only reserved (authentically) for the most high, which the king was not. To read this passage and try to assume that Lucifer as a concept is bad, and then read the term being -accurately! - applied to Jesus is ansurdly contradictory.
Why? Because, while Lucifer is a title rightly reserved for Jesus, it was (again that word) contemporaneously applied to advanced teachers, philosophers, builders, etc. Kind of like how theres a dime a dozen gurus out there who are described by their followers as enlightened. This is not the fault of the word, this is the fault of the people using it in ignorance.
Remember my rant about people being ignorant of the very words they use? Its noy just a modern problem
>antichrist
Now we're getting somewhere. Are you of the assumption that 'antichrist' refers to an individual? Not a great plan.
In that Christ - derived of Christos - refers to the state of enlightenment, what do you think the antithesis means?
Obviously it refers to a state of ignorance. That is why its 'spirit of antichrist', and not 'of THE antichrist'. Additionally, spirit had many connotations for the time, including 'willful'.
Long story short, that section refers to people being willfully ignorant, NOT following a particular entity called 'the antichrist'.
>This again connects to the one that is not in heaven, cast out, fallen, and is in the earth,
Uhm, where does it say that? It literally doesnt, not even implicitly.
>who will not confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and died to free us of all transgressions
Nor that. Thats a conclusion reached and purported by orthodoxy, and doesnt appear in the selected.section. Isaiah had plenty to say, no need to put words into his.mouth.
>who will claim the throne on earth as the spirit of the antichris
Incorrect, as I have indicated.
<who will attempt to falsely claim the throne on earth through willful ignorance
Ftfy
>This is what it means when we say Lucifer is Satan
>we
Slips aside, this is why Im going through lengths to.convey to you that Lucifer is a word/title/concept, not a name. Satan is wrong too (its Yyaldabaoth) but it will suffice, given the extraordinary amount of research it takes to unearth the name and meaning. So we'll go with Satan.
Notice I dont contest there being an adversary, a fallen angel, etc ad nauseum? Thats because its incontravertable. Sidenote reminder: I have told (you) specifically on countless occasions that there is no 'the' devil, that THAT term is effectively a sub-race of infernal. But anyway.
My whole point has been and is to indicate that 'Lucifer' is not:
- Satan
- A specific entity
- A/the antichrist

It IS in fact
- An archetype
- A title
- A commonly used term given the timefram3

>>4832
>Really? You really think that's what was said?
I copied it directly from the text, so yes, Jesus is speaking in that line and is saying His name, Jesus, while using the pronoun "I". I don't understand this objection.
>Jesus is the Lucifer!
I thought Lucifer isn't a term that exists in the Bible though, with the true translation or something... I'm not sure which is the true translation if you both will agree that I have cast doubt on the translation you showed me and deny it was wrong. If it is correct, then we can't begin to use Lucifer as a term for Christ because that term was not used in the Bible, or we are affixing a term that is not used in the text...

Unless I am correct that Lucifer does mean "son of the dawn", followed up in that translation by star of the morning... which means that it is exchangeable in this text and is not inaccurate.

>Are you of the assumption that 'antichrist' refers to an individual?
No. If you bothered to read any of my other posts, I have expressly said that there are layers to the antichrist system, the primary revealed in Revelation as a sort of super nation, seven heads and ten horns, the ten horns referring to ten kings, three of which are usurped in the text, giving way to one, which is the typically understood figurehead of the antichrist system, the widely known as the antichrist, which is why there is confusion.

>we
>Slips aside
No slip is present either way. I meant in writing as a collective we for Christians that describe Lucifer. It also counts due to the fact that all Christians house the Holy Spirit within, which means regardless of the angle, that is the truth.

>there is no 'the' devil
The Bible points out several devils, also stated as being demons, but only attributes one the name Satan and says he is the devil. When you say you are reporting to the boss, you must be denying that your boss has a boss who has a boss, as the chain of command goes up.

No, rather there is a specified one being referred to, which is the fallen one that convinced all others to rebel.

>Uhm, where does it say that?
Did you read the text I provided? It is in the very text you brought up that you claim proves that Lucifer both doesn't exist in the text and is actually good and Christ at the same time. I will quote again.
"This directly connects to Isaiah 14:12-15
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

How you are fallen. This is the fallen one, as Christ said, seen cast down like lightning, as I have already mentioned in the provided texts.

>Lucifer is a title of enlightenment, not a name
I already said that it was a title, which you quoted. However, you suggest that the title is incorrect, while also saying the title doesn't exist in the text. If the term Lucifer does exist, then your argument holds more weight because you can argue that the writer is saying he holds the title incorrectly.

But let's not forget "This 'suggests' that modern translators recognized the use of Lucifer was incorrect, and deliberately translated it otherwise." and >>4777
Which means you believe Lucifer was not in the text at all, meaning the argument the title was taken wrongly is abused, because the title is not present according to you. So, the argument must default to the content to determine what even is being talked about. We know he is talking to a king, which in not liked. So, if the text is referring only to him, and the title does not fit or exist, then why would the text give him the title while referring to the same falling as every other mention of Satan?

The most simple answer is that the author is calling the man one of the devils, possessed most likely, or at the very least claiming him to be. This would match the declaration against him, not giving him any worthy title, working as a parallel that the people understand, a fallen one like this son of the morning, morning star. Since when does the morning star fall? Would that not immediately break the metaphor? The mark of this insult is parallel.

>it references Satan transformed into an angel of light, as opposed to BEING one
Then it makes all the more sense for you to accept the adversary would take the title of enlightened one, which matched with a bright and morning star in this passage, if he is the great deceiver and enemy. Why would he not take to that immediately? He wants to be God and Jesus. Why would this title be sacred and cannot be in the hands of the biggest force against humanity? I am suggesting that this title was always his and his fall is what made that title ironic.

>that is why is it 'spirit of antichrist' and not 'of THE antichrist'
Correct, that is why when this head of the system I have already referred to in my various other posts comes, he will be the antichrist among antichrists, the boss among bosses. That is what "the" keeps referring to.
>NOT following a particular entity
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with brightness of his coming. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish: because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

>>4833
Yes, there will be an entity at the head, a spokesman for Satan.

>Obviously it refers to a state of ignorance.
As you can see, that is only part of the equation.

>I'll throw out the fact that Christian scholars are shit at interpreting the Old Testament
You are making it too easy. This refutes your whole claim that there can be a more accurate Bible translation, especially in the modern era, as they clearly just don't understand what words to put there. They left out Lucifer by accident by your own logic.

>This is what I'm getting at in the first quotation, you're trying to have it both ways.
As are you, as something can't not exist in the text but also be a proof that Lucifer means Jesus. You have helped me see though that son of dawn, which is what they replaced Lucifer with, helps tie down even more positively that it must be what Lucifer means, which makes double sense as the angel was named that as he has to do with the dawn light,
combined with what we know from your push that it is enlightenment, means that Lucifer is indeed the self given title to the one that I have connected as the main human antagonist. And since that title was attached right by "the star of the morning", we have a best title for Satan: morning star, fallen one.

>Uhm, Lucifer is derived from latin, not hebrew.
Greek as well it seems. Copied from a wiki, so not fully accurate, but there is quite a bit of evidence that seems to support each other:
"In the Book of Isaiah, chapter 14, the king of Babylon is condemned in a prophetic vision by the prophet Isaiah and is called [hebrew] (Helel ben Shachar, Hebrew for "shining one, son of the morning"), who is addressed as [hebrew] (Hêlêl ben Šāḥar), The title "Helel ben Shahar" refers to the planet Venus as the morning star, and that is how the Hebrew word is usually interpreted. The Hebrew word transliterated as Hêlêl or Heylel, occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible. The Septuagint renders [hebrew] in Greek as Ἑωσφόρος (heōsphoros), "bringer of dawn", the Ancient Greek name for the morning star. Similarly the Vulgate renders [hebrew] in Latin as Lucifer, the name in that language for the morning star. According to the King James Bible-based Strong's Concordance, the original Hebrew word means "shining one, light-bearer", and the English translation given in the King James text is the Latin name for the planet Venus, "Lucifer", as it was already in the Wycliffe Bible.

However, the translation of [hebrew] as "Lucifer" has been abandoned in modern English translations of Isaiah 14:12. Present-day translations render [hebrew] as "morning star" (New International Version, New Century Version, New American Standard Bible, Good News Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Contemporary English Version, Common English Bible, Complete Jewish Bible), "daystar" (New Jerusalem Bible, The Message), "Day Star" (New Revised Standard Version, English Standard Version), "shining one" (New Life Version, New World Translation, JPS Tanakh), or "shining star" (New Living Translation).

Which fits the Greek/Latin translation that Lucifer was pulled from to make the early translations, which older Hebrew versions don't have because there was no title for son of dawn. Now we have even more assured proof that we are on track. There is a strong connection with Lucifer, the morning star, and Satan.

>Nor that. Thats a conclusion reached and purported by orthodoxy, and doesn't appear in the selected section. Isaiah had plenty to say, no need to put words into his mouth.
Correct, not in that text, but in the others I have shown, I have definitely made the case that Satan is connected to the spirit of antichrist, which will not confess Christ. So to say otherwise is disingenuous.

>Notice I don't contest there being an adversary, a fallen angel, etc. ad nauseum?
But he just can't have the title that he is known to possess?

>Satan is wrong too (its Yyaldabaoth) but it will suffice
Technically Jesus is wrong too, but it is the translated name. We use translated names to help us communicate. It is helpful when dealing with names of people from thousands of years ago in a dead tongue.

>Why? Because, while Lucifer is a title rightly reserved for Jesus it was (again that word) contemporaneously applied to advanced teachers, philosophers, builders, etc. Kind of like how there's a dime a dozen gurus out there who are described by their followers as enlightened. This is not the fault of the word, this is the fault of the people using it in ignorance.
And this is the major problem and why people hate that name tied to Jesus, as He is no mere philosopher, teacher, or builder. He is God incarnate. To say otherwise is to reject the foundations of the faith, for the death of a man, no matter how great, saves no one. If He does not atone, then there is no point to worship Him. If He did not raise from the dead, then neither will we. Then what are you left with? Utter uselessness. To deny the divinity and works of Christ is to deny the existence of the whole, because there is nothing to be gained from the words of a dead deity, for we serve the true and living God.

I suppose it is hard to understand, but you are suggesting that Jesus is simply wise is the foundational problem and why there is a massive battle we are having in the first place. If you are correct, then why do you fight for this title? What is the point of a Lucifer if there is no Christ? What is the point in knowledge if there is no life beyond this? What is the point in seeking the best when the worst is all that shall be rewarded in life?

>>4834
Apparently the hebrew I tried to reference is seen by the spam filter as me attempting Zaldo text

>>4834
>You were so close! Jesus is the Lucifer! The light bearer! The resplendent amidst darkness and ignorance! The unstoppable force! (btw, the immovable object is entropy)
There are diametrically opposing world views and are incompatible, which is perhaps why you care at all what this old book says about a title that you believe isn't even in it. Otherwise, if you truly believed it was all just different interpretations of the same truth, you would just accept it as one way of looking at it. But it is true, and you fight for the use and honor of a word that is meaningless to anyone other than the religiously studied.

Jesus isn't the light bearer. He is the light, the way, the truth, and the life. No man can come before the Father but through Him. He doesn't fight ignorance, though it is a product of those that refuse to follow the light, He has come to seek and to save that which is lost.

Isaiah 53:6-12
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgement: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgressions of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death: because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He hath put Him to grief; when thou shalt make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand. He shall see of the travail of His soul, and be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong; because He hath poured out His soul unto death: and He was numbered with the transgressors; and He bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

This means that Christ deserved royalty, but took a lowly life, declared who He was, and was killed for it, all according to the plan. For He didn't die just to say something smart. He didn't die to have people reach enlightenment. He died so all can be guiltless before God and enter into His presence. This is the fundamental reason Luciferianism cannot be supported, as a smart man, a good man, and a charitable man will all go to the same place, the grave. After that is the judgement. If you believe in no afterlife, then enlightenment is of little value. If there is, then does that enlightenment grant you access? Is it a scale of arbitrary weight of good to access? Or is it the truth, that no one gets in without sending the innocent to die willingly to cover their sin, as the weight of one sin alone tips the scales, of which all are guilty? And since all are guilty, that means no one can die for another to get in, save there was someone that was sent that was innocent. This is Jesus, Son of God, the Word made flesh, the anointed one promised to take the sin of the world away.

And now all may enter heaven. They only need to believe.

I probably didn't reply to each point and I probably didn't make everything super clear, but it is late and I got more things to do. I'll tack on some more if I look back and facepalm at something obvious I missed.

>>4774
the correllation of "shining one, son of morning" is in the original text directly though. The guy in the video isn't using the right reference tools, picrel has the strong's entry for that word that he had google translated to "greatly praised".

on brief searching, the latin "lucifer" appears to refer to venus (the morning star) in the same way this passage seems to.

The interesting thing to me though is that Jesus says he is the bright morning star in revelation (greek picrel). It's not clear to me what the meaning is between the contrasting uses of the similar imagery.

Aside from the translation stuff, what exactly are you trying to say about that name and its connotations? You mentioned it's pursuit of enlightenment as in eastern traditions? I don't understand how that's related to the Word at all. Could you elaborate on what you mean by that stuff?

Can you explain Deuteronomy 25:11-12

>>4838
It is self-explanatory. It is one of the laws. Very specific, but nothing further to explain.

>>4837
What are you referring to as 'the original texts', and why arent translations being derived from that?
>the guy isnt using the right reference tools
Back at you
>Venus
Yea! So glad you mentioned it! Strange correlation, you might think. The Star of the Morning just happens to be the Greco-Roman deity of femininity.
Who was cast (down) from the divine trinity.
Ill avoid getting sidetracked with that tangent, but yes; Lucifer (as the son of morning and NOT 'the adversary') is literally referencing the otherwise wrongfully cadtigated and defamed divine feminine aspect.
>can you elaborate
Of course, Ive alreafy begun. It will take me some time however. I mean, its well enough for me to reference my findings, but thats little use to the observer.

But to simply summarize.

Long before Christianity, many of the practices and teachings of Christianity went by the term that was applicable at the time. This term (through translations from okder dialects and traditions) was Luciferianism, or the tradition that sought and exhalted Lucifer, the bearer of knowledge/wisdom, resplendent light, etc. Aside from specofic details, Christianity is the younger 'brother' of Luciferianism, and when the Bible is adequately decoded (its an occult text with encrypted text, like/recognize it or not) they work seamlessly and in harmony.
The problem is that evil and avaricious individuals have been given carte blanche over Christendom, and have done of/with it what they will.
The God-figure in thebgarden of Eden was/is not God.
THATS Yyaldabaofh, who commanded that humanity stagnate in ignorance (literally forbidden to partake in the fruit of knowledge).
Lucifer/Jesus WAS the serpent that emancipated them through Eve (funny how much creation the female is respknsible for, and yet omitted from Christian recognition).
Ill come back to/for the rest.

>>4840
I go by the Bible directly, and it says who the Creator is and who my Savior is quite clearly. luci aint it bro
Proverbs 1:7a
יראת יהוה ראשית דעת

>>4841
Thank you for openly admitting that your mind is closed except to the contents of a single book, a veritably new fan-fiction based on far older (and more pure) traditions. Congratulations, you have chosen willful ignorance (read: literally the spirit of the antichrist).

>>4842
>Thank you for openly admitting that your mind is closed except to the contents of a single book,
Yup. It is not about reason, but faith.

A quick addendum:
My point is and has been to emphasize that 'Jesus' is the most recent iteration of the Luciferian archetype. Admitting, the name has changed innumerable times over the course of millenia, however the fact remains that 'Jesus' is the name given to (the) Lucifer by Judeo-Christendom.

>>4843
>ignorance is faith
Textbook antichristian

>>4845
>ignorance
Well, you are proposing "illuminism" aka "enlightment which means you consider that christians are in the darkness. It is your opinion.
On the other hoof, the consequences of that moral relativism brought by the "renaissance" are in full display today. So I will pass.

>>4844
>My point is and has been to emphasize that 'Jesus' is the most recent iteration of the Luciferian archetype
According to the Bible that won't fly.

>>4844
>Judeo-Christendom
Huh? Do you know that Judeo is the anti-thesis of Christendom.
Judeo is defined by the rejection of Christ, so it looks like you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>4846
Enlightenment is what Christos meant. The Christ is the person who had achieved Christos.
>which means you consider that christians are in the darkness
Do I? Whether a person is of the antichrist (willfully ignorant) is specific to the individual. I consider individuals who are Christian and willfully ignorant just as much of the antichrist as non Christians who do likewise. Enlightenment has nothing to do with religious practices or zealotry, idgaf what flavor a person calls themselves.
>the rennaissance
Such as?
>>4847
As I said, willful ignorance, which is of the antichrost.

>>4848
Whered the Old Testament come from bucko?

>>4850
>>4844
>Bucko
>Judeo-Christian
Hello jordan peterson.

>>4849
>Enlightenment is what Christos meant.
Nope, it refers a historical period after the middle ages.

>the rennaissance
>Such as?
Get a book about general history. It has no point to engage with you if you are at k-12 level.

>>4851
No retort but Ad Hominem? Cant say the jews eh? Cant acknowledge that the old testament is the exact same book as the Torah? Cant acknowledge that Christendom is inexorably tied to Judaism?
>>4852
>Nope, it refers a historical period after the middle ages.
<Enlightenment as a concept has ONLY existed in the last 600 years. NO ONE EVER has had such a tradition in all of history. No civilizations, cultures, or groups EVER pursued enlightenment - nevermind all the etymological origins of words - outside the 16th century
o_o
>>4852
>resorts to insults
I see, you're so dogmatic that you'd rather engage in insults rather than validate one of the vaguest statements ITT. Very anti-Christian of you.

>>4853
You can do better. I'm confident in your eloquence.

>>4854
You're right I could but pearls before swine, after all.

>>4842
>your mind is closed except to the contents of a single book
precisely. otherwise, I would not be adhering to Christ, who is the revealed Word.

cryptic knowledge is a false idol. I'm not even sure what you're seeking by "enlightenment". in any case, you're advocating for the dissolution of what anchors Christianity, turning it instead into a formless and shifting eastern mysticism blob.
I've felt the pull of it before, and it's the junk food of spirituality. Much of the Bible feels "mundane" and "boring" rather than giving dopamine highs by reading it, but when you spend actual time reading it then it's powerful and active in and through you. This contrasts with mysticism of many kinds, which feel like a dopamine rush as you seek things, but despite spending lots of time and getting high off it, there's really no substance to it practically. Same difference between eating healthy meals vs eating junk food as your only food.

>>4860
Before we continue, what orthodoxy and/or denomination to you prescribe to?
>cryptic knowledge
Theres nothing cryptic about it, if one has done their homework
>you're advocating for the dissolution of what anchors Christianity
Wrong again, Im advocating for the dissolution of the authoritarian devotion to a fable that was intended to convey meaning before it was wrested and corrupted into a tyrrannical doctrine of 'believe and do what you're told', as has happened with Christianity (not exclusively).
>Much of the Bible feels "mundane" and "boring" rather than giving dopamine highs by reading it
Sorry, but thats simply not true, at least in my experience. Just because interpret the word differently than you doesnt mean I dont respect the work. What I DONT resprect is the blind and fanatical devotion that has developed generationally, which could only occurr once the masses have been so far removed from the meanings and concepts that what is false is readily purported as true.
I know all about the 'religious experience', its one of my favorite states to experience. The problem is, religious experiences can be induced and people can be conditioned to believe and feel gratified in the pursuit of ideas that are patently false, and the ignorance of history (or anything, if it contests the rather infantile level of due diligence applied in critical analysis) is observably and conclusively anti-Jesus.
>This contrasts with mysticism of many kinds, which feel like a dopamine rush as you seek things
Then you were doing it wrong, because metaphysics is anything BUT exciting and dopamine-inducing. Its like reading an encyclopedia. One doesnt do it because its fun, exciting, or dopamine-stimulating, one does it because it leads to a greater level of comprehension and understanding. Metaphysics is pretty boring tbh, but the ends are worth the effort.
>Healthy food vs. junk food
Good choice of metaphor, but not for the reasons you suggest.
Which is more 'junk food'?
In one practice, one does what they are told, 'eats' what they are told to 'eat', and spends their life a supplicant.
In another, one realizes that they are responsible for their own actions beyond the dictates of men or books (read: learns to self regulate, independently), and 'eats' progressively healthier as they come to comprehend better ingredients, different ways of preparing the food, etc, while also developing their skills of preparing said food.
One practice involves stagnation and arrested development (read: increasing entropy) and one involves emergence and self actualization (read: increasing affinity).

>>4861
sorry, I just don't see it that way. I do obey Jesus, who is in direct authority over me. I see no problem with that. It is precisely the arrogance written about for the shining star of morning passage which seeks to elevate the individual to an equal authority as God. It's a self-idolatry trap.

>>4864
And you're entitled to that position.
On the contrary, I exalt Jesus/Lucifer as the source of my emergence. However, I dont do what men tell me I 'must'.