/ub/ - Überhengst

Check Sodom and Gomorrah out.
>WELCOME 2 THE END OF DAYS CHURCH OF ABOMINATIONS
>2 Thessalonians 2
>1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
>2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
>3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
>4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
>5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/RUGQUJERQhxZ/
Absolutely pure filth inside the churches.

>>5742
Quite literally the opposite, as He likes all the things so much that He wants to hold off total destruction as long as possible. This is a pattern throughout the Bible where even when people deserve destruction, you can turn it around by asking for forgiveness. Nineveh, for example, was going to be wiped out. They asked God to not do that and He said sure. All they had to do in return was not be so degenerate. This enraged the Jewish messenger, Jonah, to suicidal tendencies, telling God that he knew the plan was always to give them an out because He constantly loves everyone, even when they reject God.

God deliberately created a world full of things that do not like Him and now He pays the way at His own expense for them to be equal with Him on the throne in eternal forgiveness. How could this be happening to us?

>>5819
Who is Lilith?
I'd ask Google but Google would give me a homosexual response.

>>5820
A common name for women in the Philippines.

>>5820
A succubus, the first one according to the source material. Supposedly Adam's first Wife before Eve. Some feminists have unironically embraced her as the very first feminist. They see her as a proud women who rebelled to the patriarchy for the very first time.
Shit is particularly prevalent with Mexican feminists.

>>5822
>Lilith the succubus
Reeeeeeeee.

>>5822
And what source material are you referring to?

>>5825
Also, wheres the part where the priest is diddling the young boy?

>>5821
It's also the name of a Darkstalkers character.
>>5822
That sounds weird, where can I read more about this?

>>5826
Jewish folklore? I dunno, am not particularly well-read on the subject. I just stated the general overview that femmes have about it.
I mostly looked this up to borrow...I mean, take inspiration for my fic a while ago. (I was still writing down the timeline for when the Dazzlings show up.)
>>5829
>where can I read more about this?
Don't know tbh, sorry.
Although there's certainly more to it. There's a theory that suggests that Lilith is the so-called Queen Of Heaven from the bible. And that she's present in every major culture around the world.
The virgin Mary is one such example, as some people refer to it as Queen of Heaven. There's also another Saint in Russia which is also called that way, but I don't quite remember which one.
It's all related to the sacred prostitutes, words like "whore" actually had honorable, or positive meanings back then.
Even the word "puta", which is the Spanish word for whore, also had a positive meaning.

My memory is blurred and the video alongside its sources is gone. Am gonna try and find 'em when i have the time.

>>5830
So your source is "IDK, I read it once lol"?
*sigh*
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/hebrew-bible/lilith-in-the-bible-and-mythology/
There's a good start. Take with a grain of salt, I haven't vetted the site/source

>>5831
>So your source is "IDK, I read it once lol"?
I think it's more of...
>I've sat down and talk to a lot of feminists A.K.A: blue-haired wamen
>And this is what they believe in.

Anyways.
<In the post-Biblical period, some ancient Jewish scholars took the stance that Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:21–22 must describe two separate events, since it appears that woman is created differently in these accounts.... “Considering every word of the Bible to be accurate and sacred, commentators needed a midrash or story to explain the disparity in the creation narratives of Genesis 1 and 2. God creates woman twice—once with man, once from man’s rib—so there must have been two women. The Bible names the second woman Eve; Lilith was identified as the FIRST in order to complete the story.” Accordingly, Genesis 1:27 describes the creation of Adam and an unnamed woman (Lilith); Genesis 2:7 gives more details of Adam’s creation; and Genesis 2:21–22 describes the creation of Eve from Adam.

Yup, that's the stance these women have taken as well.

The succubus part comes from other Jewish sources, outside of the bible, as all Succubus are believed to be descendants of Lilith.

Anything about the sacred prostitutes bit?

>>5832
The name Lilith comes from mesopotamian folklore, referring to a Babylonian demon/vampire/fairy that locals spoke of in ballads and whatnot. The name was picked up through cultural diffusion, and attributed to the unnamed first woman.

>>5833
Kay...Still calling it Lilith as it changes little to nothing.

>>5832
>sacred prostitutes
Mary Magdalene comes to mind
>blue haired women
And what part of them made it seem like they had the faintest idea what they were talking about?

>>5836
>its filler, nevermind it predates the bible
Classic

To clarify, I'm not endorsing blue haired women or their interpretation of the Bible.
I AM asserting that the story(ies) of Lillith far predate "orthodoxy", with reason and cause, and that one does themselves a disservice to ignore (read: ignorance) such accounts. There is fruit there, if one has the nerve to look.

>>5835
>Mary Magdalene comes to mind
Bit more extensive than that, but it's pretty clear why you are here anyways.
>>5839
Agreed.
Going off of your record tho, I'd say being so comically cryptic won't help either.

>>5835
>>5836
I posted the meme as a joke. The point is that there's a certain type of person (blue haired teenaged girl) who fixates on that name because of pop culture during conversations about scripture, despite waning relevancy.
>>5839
Nobody is ignoring it.
A lot of things predate "orthodoxy"; that doesn't necessarily make them relevant to every discussion.

>>5841
Right, I don't find it particularly abhorrent either way. It just seems like anon rushed in without context.

>>5841
And yet, you also display that the blue haired girl might know more about religious history than you
>so what?
Is bible-history irrelevant to the bible study thread?

>>5844
Walk on back to the alt history thread. I would rather this thread not be filled with triggered ranting about a meme because your ideology wasn't painted in a positive light.

>>5845
Who's ideology are you referring to? Idgaf about Lilith or whatever, but blatant ignorance will be called out

>>5844
>you also display that the blue haired girl might know more about religious history than you
???
How?
>Bible history
I know the history. It was a meme, and I think you missed the joke.

>>5846
What ignorance?

A look into subversives piggy-backing on The Bible:

>King James Onlyism: A Front for Talmudic Judaism
>James W Knox is also a proponent of King James Onlyism, which very few know is a Satanic movement whose agenda is to introduce Christians to Jewish Kabbalism. James Knox is promoted by Gail Riplinger who is exposed as a Jewish Kabbalist on this website.
>The King James Version is not Inerrant and was Translated from Multiple Texts
>James Knox and King James Only advocates teach that the King James Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant. This false teaching ignores and suppresses much evidence to the contrary. (Though the King James Bible isn't inerrant, it is still (along with the NKJV) the best English bible translation).
https://www.zionismexposed.com/king-james-onlyism/

How do I defend Christ and Christianity?
I don't know how to do that. How to make convincing arguments in favor of this religion. Sure, it's clearly the best religion. I can see that but the Godless can't. I don't see any Indian or Muslim charities trying to help the people Christians want to help. But what do I say to the atheist talking points like "muh crusades" and "muh indulgences" and "we don't need gods any more"?

>>6051
The first thing you need to do is to study the Bible. If you don't know what the Bible says, contains, commands, or the primary message, you can't defend it. Simply asserting being correct will do no good. You need to internalize and memorize the core of the text to see through deception about what the Bible says and things that cannot align with the Bible. If you believe it to be true, you have to be able to understand what is false. Representing the Bible correctly is key as trying to make it say something it doesn't will make you fail every time.

Second, you can't gauge Christianity as the best of choices or the nicest of options. It is either truth, leaving all else as shortcoming at best, deception at worst, or it is yet another story. You can't defend Christianity by suggesting it is a better option. People judge better options by secular and personal standards and desire. Why be Christian when I could live for myself and determine all of my actions are justified by the eternal light of myself? The answer is the truth the Bible provides, that man is judged by God and not themselves, an impossible standard and not living nicely. We are already condemned and simultaneously justified freely by Christ. This is what makes Christianity unique and true. No one can earn heaven, which is the calling of all other religions. Hell does exist which is denied by those that refuse all religion, as the individual has no power to justify their own eternal soul. The corruption we contribute to must be paid for with blood and death. That payment was made by Christ. We are all judged by His own account freely. All that is needed is to turn to He who paid this cost and rose again, conquering death forever, and form our eternal relationship with Him.

Third, you need to study the logic of both the Bible and those that deny it. It will take time to figure out all the intricate arguments all sides have, but each will have a flaw if they are based on deception or fantasy. The truth becomes evident as you study the nature of God, of man, of other interpretations of gods and powers, and the history of the world. Studying the probability of organic formation of amino acids for example will aid your ability to understand the logic of evolution for example. They suggest with enough time, life is inevitable, but the cosmic scale makes it improbable to such a degree that it borders on the insane. Amino acids form in left- and right-hand variations, named after their chemical bond formations. The right-hand variation breaks down organic chains for protein, the needed ingredient for life as we know it. This creates a massive problem for the natural formation of life as it grows to numbers of 1 in 10^80 even as high as 1 in 10^140 with the lowest suggested being 1 in 10^30 with a little agreement with this number I can find. This is a massive number, combined with the limited chances of other planets and their limited life spans with stars collapsing and the accelerating expansion of the galaxy suggesting that there is a finite formation of new stars and planets, the logic of life forming by chance becomes impossibly improbable.

Finally, you need to be a good witness. Engaging in conversations will rarely convince anyone. Instead, focus on building a reputation that will be offering your beliefs with people knowing that you are not fighting for no reason, but doing so in love, trying to share something that means the world to you with others and become brothers in Christ, joining together in the wonderful revelation of Scripture. The goal isn't to be on top of a debate, but to reach out to people, show that the Bible does make sense, that God is real and desires a relationship with you, and you desire a relationship with them.

It is so easy to get caught up in the moment and argue pointlessly, making yourself look like a fool. I am guilty of that. I am also guilty of being a bad witness. But by returning to the Bible, you return to the correction that awaits in the pages, reminding you to let God do the work in convicting. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. This means that our own actions aren't the root of changing people's minds. It is God's job. Our job is simply to show it to people. You will find it much less stressful that way.

>>6082
What is with this influx of facebook atheists? Praise Epona or gtfo

>>6083
If you think about it just a bit, the meme is not wrong.
Evolution, sexuality, psychology, witchcraft, are satanic.

>>6084
True but the meme is weak because it assumes everyone who reads it will share the writer's views on these things.
For each thing, the sign should mention on negative example each. A bad person who believed in these things or a bad outcome caused by these things.
If you're going to let yourself be photographed with a sign why not try hard to make it better at redpilling?

>>6087
>If you're going to let yourself be photographed with a sign why not try hard to make it better at redpilling?
You are asking too much from a normie.

>>6088
That normie should have gotten his sign from a smarter man. Useful idiots aren't useful if they don't listen to people able to think for them.

>>6084
>psychology
The institutions that rule psychology are corrupt, but there's nothing inherently wrong with studying the mind.

>>6212
This is the Bible study thread.
Do you have any biblical context to back that up?

>>6084
Why is evolution satanic?

>>6302
Doesn't it seem satanic to think we are all just sacks of flesh designed to procreate or perish, intelligence is a maladaption that paralyzes us with indecision and existential dread, society is a tool for some humans to control others for the sake of improving their own lives, and Christ is just (as the atheists claim) a fairytale at best meant to teach kids morality just like the tooth fairy and Aesop's Fables?
That's what the satanists say when they want to sound like le mature intellectual ebine euphoric leddit atheists. And it's the mindset of a sociopath.

>>6303
That's not what evolution states. That's what scientific materialists state. Also any euphoric retard that claims intelligence is a disadvantage is a fucking moron. Evolution simply states that organisms can accumulate enough changes over time through mutation to be biologically incompatible with each other and become a new species. I don't believe that evolution is incompatible with religion, I believe God guided evolution to create us.

>>6309
>organisms
Populations.
Also that the changes are accumulated in a certain way, namely, by changes that are beneficial for given environment letting the individuals with them out-compete individuals without them.
>>6082
That's even funnier nonsense if you consider that in practice, devil isn't teaching children sexuality or psychology ("yes, your penis will occasionally go hard and your slit will occasionally go wet, you will be way better off in all regards if you carefully pick who you're going to put the one into the other with and stay with them for life, but since you're only human and make mistakes, here's how to avoid fucking your life up before you can find the perfect wife/husband"), devil is teaching children degeneracy and ignorance.

>>6152
>spoiler alert: Satan loses
In 1970 years, The Devil Himself(TM) hasn't read a book allegedly about him losing at his alleged goals? This is the kind of stupid surface level trash that leads people away from God to begin with. 1) Satan is a name that comes from Hassatan, 'the accuser,' and from the term's inception the word is used primarily to describe people and angels who question and doubt God or Jesus. 2) All portrayals of Satan as some red skinned caricature of a Jew with hooves have no basis in scripture. And 3) Anyone aware of even one of those points is going to see the majority of Judeo-Christians talking like this about bad things, and start asking what makes those things bad to begin with.

Bad apologetics and bad preachers only make sin and loss of faith worse by muddying the waters or adding daffy bullshit to what is otherwise evidently true. Stick to the basics and foundations, and leave the rest at the door.

>>6488
>would not of
NOT! HAVE! YOU NIGGER!

>>6517
>grammar mercenary
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

>They Refused to Love the Truth
https://odysee.com/@MrE:c/They-Refused-to-Love-the-Truth:c
Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/IuUDJo3jjG6C/
Here's a clip that may help explain why there are so many delusional people living in the world today. Only 2:44 long.

Has anyone posted about the jewatheist myth of the christian dark age yet? https://strangenotions.com/gods-philosophers/

>>6550
>christian dark age
Well, according to the luciferians (masons), the blossom of Christianity is the called "darkness" and the time when their anti-Christian ideas came forward, "illuminism".
Given that history has been written by them, kinda tampered by them, an inversion of Christian values are expected.

>>6550
>link
A reminder that most, if not all, of the "great" names in history are portrayed by the same freemasons as members of their cult. If I remember well, Galileo Galilei was among them.
Also the heretical idea of heliocentrism was and is pushed by the Jesuits inside the Vatican, which makes me wonder the motive behind the Vatican supporting ideas contrary to the Bible. An obvious satanic inversion perhaps?

To do in your mind and or heart is the same as committing it in person.
To heal your heart pray for those who have hurt you the same as if you would yourself.
Made in God's image for the plan and design and you.
Put your whole faith, love, words, being, heart and self to be commanded by God. To do as the one who loves the most.
God loves you despite the lesser logical reasons why God shouldn't God does so anyways.

Why is doing in your heart and or mind the same as doing in physical? For in whoms' heart and mind and body do we live?
God's.
Your heart can either be alive or dead. The cover is a small part. What lies within is still there.
Forgiving is Forgiveness. Penance is Penance. Justice is Justice. Those are God's to determine. Be as God's grand design manifest in accordance with God.

>>6557
"The meek shall inherit the Earth."
Meek means to have the sword and to stay one's blade. To be capable of immense immediate violence, yet choosing not to use it carelessly.
Keep in mind what happens in your mind and in your heart and physically is the same.
For the most Holy has resolved them, the perfect solution. Just one needs to listen to choose to be the perfect servant, the son or daughter.
The Adversary always looses at the end. The only way to be an adversary is by turning away from God.
To turn to God you have to follow the way, the truth and the light. Surprise that's Jesus.
Guess what, the only way to get to God is by...
Turning to God. As in following the best way.
It seems to me that all sin is the act of turning away from God. Every act and definition follows that commonality of turning away.
God wins on every level and design, in every way and more.

God Hates Fags - (by Westboro Baptist Church)

Did you know God always gives perfect gifts suitable for the heart?
In Justice this is true as well.
The Evil One is made to be like God.
Recap of the Holy Trinity
Heavenly Father
Jesus Christ
The Holy Ghost

The Evil One has been given his desire of turning away from The One who is entirely Good and Loving, to be like God.
The Evil One's personality is split into three:
Beelzebub is the inversion of The Holy Ghost
Satan is the inversion of The Father
Lucifer is the inversion of Jesus Christ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls92Wiptv0w

>>6661
Nope. Satan is one entity. Those are the names for the same guy. Lucifer has no distinction from Satan or Beelzebub in the Bible. Where he is going to attempt to assemble a false trinity is in the manifestation of the beast and antichrist. The beast will be a nation, a physical presence of Satan's will on earth while also being the prevalent spirit of the world and led by someone that has the spirit of antichrist, who obeys the will of Satan directly by pretending to be Christ, who will be overwhelmed by the spiritual influence of Satan. A "father", a "son, and a "spirit", though just like Satan is not equivalent to God or Christ, the false trinity is linked to physical matter. The beast is the spirit of the land, but is a physical nation system. Antichrist will come out of this land and spirit instead of the Spirit being sent by Christ.

Satan is also bound to a form of limitation, even if it isn't physical matter. He is a fallen angel. He can't actually obtain anything that can match the Trinity, only be a cobbled copy through manipulation of what already exists on earth. It is like how African armies pretend they have better technology by making wood, cardboard, and plastic props.

All of that said, I haven't even watched what you linked yet. I doubt anyone on youtube that is easily found will say anything close to the truth, but I will review it to see what is going on in it.

>>6662
Impressive response time.
>Those are the names for the same guy.
Yes.
That's more or less the jist.
The details is that in an exorcism(s) the full identity is made readily known.

>>6662
>first thing the guy says is that Satan only lies, even if it goes better for him
No. Not at all. He is the father of lies, yes, but this doesn't mean he speaks only lies. This is shown in the interaction he had with Jesus.

Matthew 4:5-7
Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

This is because the purpose of his work is deception, not purely lying. He told the truth that angels would come for Christ if He were to throw Himself from that height and he even quoted Scripture to do so. However, this would be in defiance towards God because Christ said not to tempt Him. He used the truth to deceive, making it overall a lie, but one that needs to be understood. Satan will definitely tell the truth to aid his goals.

>>6663
I doubt he encountered Satan. I will continue through this video to determine of course, but a lot of the Catholic religion is just putting on a show.

>>6661
>different manifestations
What even is that? It is either the same guy or it isn't.
>Loki like
https://youtu.be/_5qgMVSDGek
>priest version of the book, not in the lay version of the book
Another one of the endless reasons I hate Catholics. What the fuck is this elitism and climbing the ladder to obtain information bullshit about? Paul preached the same info to everyone he came across. There is no hidden knowledge or fucking magic system. All are inhabited by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation and this means that all are equal in the faith through God's presence. The only limiting factor is personal understanding.
>Beelzebub tells me he is the inversion of the Holy Ghost, so naturally I take him at face value, despite him being the same person as Satan
Only the highest of IQ at the top of this priesthood I am certain.
>people before me insisted they were different demons
>I know that the Bible says that Satan is the same as Beelzebub
>I know, I will suggest that the demon did not lie about the name, but instead I will build a whole new theological doctrine around what the demon told me!
Damn it all. Every time with these people that get spotlights

>>6661
Now he is talking to the demon and says it is in shock at his wonderous revelation? Why the hell are you talking to a worker of shadow and iniquity? Why are Catholic priests all the worst people for any job? You are supposed to kick them out, not have tea and crumpets or whatever the hell you have decided is a better use of your time.
>was this doctrine I made up the punishment for defying God I asked
>he didn't respond
How convenient that you got a positive response from this legitimate encounter that happens to align with what you just came up with. Assuming the demon encounter was real, you just accepted what was told to you by the demon, you asked it if it was true, and it didn't say yes but you took it as yes. Great work for Christ buddy, making your Biblical doctrine based off of demonic influence.
>later he said yes
Again, assuming this is true, why would he be silent first and then agree openly?

>you have to dig for this knowledge
Then it isn't right. Everything in the Bible disagrees with this assessment.

I do not oppose Christiany and at some point I support it. But also there is something very wrong with it.

>>6666
>Now he is talking to the demon and says it is in shock at his wonderous revelation?
Checked those satan's numbers.

>>6667
I was raised as a Christian and would consider myself to be an apatheist, but pretending to be a pagan on the Internet is fun due to how much asshurt it can cause. It doesn't even seem to offend Christian anons that much. Ironically, it mostly seems to just upset reddit-type fags that'll crawl out of the woodwork to seethe and call you a larper. Only works if you attach it to White identitarianism, though.
It's like a weird form of meta trolling.

>>6669
Anyway, that is the end of that video. He doesn't go into any specifics for me to even determine the interaction was legitimate. Given how backwards his made up doctrine is, I am going to guess that there was no demon and he made the whole thing up like this doctrine.

Say... if a person who speaks in Tongues (in this use case a language only God understands) could one do so in their imagination (cognitive function)?

>>6677
To my knowledge, only possessed people speaks in tongues.

>>6678
The Holy Spirit speaks through a person.
Typically when a person is baptized in water, they then are baptized in the spirit (fire). (At any time He who is The Holy Spirit can/could dwell in anyone.)
When a person obeys the One who is Love He, The Holy Ghost, speaks through the mouth and the word and all.
By opening the mouth and letting sounds emerge and moving as if speaking.
There are multiple tongues (languages), one type is only known to God. What that means is that it didn't make sense to anyone except God.
You'll know them by their fruits.
Know that God never gives vipers (evil) when his children ask for something good.
Many times people ask for what they already have (such as to have The Holy Spirit), as that is already there is already given.

>>6678
Ensure knowing He who is The Comforter and The Helper, He that brings all words and teachings of God to mind. He teaches and reminds.
He like Jesus is of God.
The One who Is Good and Love and More never contradicts His own teaching, words and will.

The solution to Clown World is God. Jesus Christ! The Holy Spirit! Our Heavenly Father!
Nearly everywhere is infected with a Fragment of Clown World even some sources of His Waters. That's Wormwood, that's witchcraft. Loads of nonsense and crap and useless garbage.
Be warned and wary of mimicking evil even in mockery lest it infect and infest in you.
Be careful of those who's hands don't serve from a position of a kneeling servant. Be wary of those hands that would push you away and not raise you up.

>>6681
>second pic
That's a good explanation of the demoralization told by Yuri Bezmenov.

>>6677
Oh boy. This topic never seems to get old. This will take a hot minute to break down.

To begin, we don't all possess the same abilities in the Spirit.
1st Corinthians 12:7-12
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Right away we gain a lot of insight into the nature of what is occurring in spiritual gifts. First, tongues is not speaking in a way only God understands, as it says diverse tongues and the interpretation of them. This is for the translation of human speech across the world, the tongues of the people. There is a tongue mentioned in the Bible that is what angels can use, but this is not the entirety of the gift, nor is it given to all that have this gift as speaking tongues can as simple as someone that is inclined towards a singular other language on earth.

Next, we see that there are many gifts and not everyone is getting them, let alone all of them. The phrase "dividing to every man severally as he will" specifically calls to this aspect as it is God's will to divide who gets what and to what extent. God may not give you any listed spiritual gift, instead focusing on what Paul says is even greater than the gifts.

1st Corinthians 13:1-13
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

We can see here that despite having the best of the best gifts in the eyes of man, Paul states that each gift is absolutely worthless compared to what otherwise would be seen as common: faith, hope, and charity. Charity is stated as being the greatest, and it is easy to see why when you read the verse. This is not the modern charity of giving, as the phrasing "And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing." lets us know. This is not a monetary giving, but a love that is giving.

So, to come back around to your question. If a person who speaks in tongues, specifically a language of angels, could one do so in their imagination? We can learn what Paul has to say about this possibility.

1st Corinthians 14:1-6
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

This means that the gift of tongues is supposed to be used to aid the church, particularly in communication and interpretation. If this is not present, Paul states that it is a worthless gift and instead you should be doing something that edifies. From this, I would conclude that it is not an available gift to communicate to God in a special language. All languages are already understood by God who formed all of them at Babel and has controlled how they have changed and altered over the centuries. Moreover, we have Christ as our High Priest and the Holy Spirit within us that communicate directly to God the Father on our behalf. There is no lack of communication possible that would warrant a special language to communicate with God.

>>6678
Tongue is misunderstood through modern interpretations and understanding. 1st Corinthians chapters 12 through 14 offer a great look into the original meaning of tongues, the communications between people. Languages basically. Though the same passage gives the possibility of a tongue spoken by angels, as in the reply I made above, this is for communication. There is no need to communicate with angels in present day and they seem capable of communicating within the language with whoever they come across in the Bible, so I would conclude that there is no equivalent to the modern understanding of tongues, a babbling that is understood only by God and is an outflowing of piety and devotion.

So here's a question to ponder.
Why does the story of Jonah map to Revelation? (Yes, The Holy Ghost and God has put forth both as they are.)

>>6686
I'm not certain I understand the question. What do you mean by map? Do you mean does it relate to Revelation? It more refers to Christ as He said that He was like Jonah and would be sealed in the earth for three days just like he was sealed in the fish. What part of Revelation do you have in mind? Is it the general theme or a particular occurrence?

>>6688
Did you know that the rapture is in fact in the Bible?

1st Thessalonians 4:13-18
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

The concept that rapture speaks about is from this passage. You might be wondering were the word rapture comes from. This is also directly in the Bible, from the Latin Vulgate translation.

1st Thessalonians 4:17
deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

The English-ification of the word rapiemur, which is directly translated into "shall be caught up together". Thus, we get rapture. We get other words along this, such as a raptor, which snatches things. It is a sudden taking up and typically carrying away to another destination. This matches the passage here.

We can further confirm this is the correct translation by matching the Greek manuscripts that have been found over the ages.

1st Thessalonians 4:17
ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτως πάντοτε σὺν κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα.

In this case ἁρπαγησόμεθα means to seize, specifically the future passive indicative nominative plural, meaning it is something that will happen to the group being talked about. More simply put, it reads "we will be seized" or in a common way of speaking, we are going to be taken away ἐν νεφέλαις, "in the clouds".

I don't really care if some faggot in history came up with some odd something or rather and he was a pagan. That is no excuse to deny a direct piece of the Bible directly saying something will in fact happen. It is the same as people saying Hitler thought something and therefore it is automatically wrong. Most everyone on this site got past that mental block. This article is heavily focused on the wrong subject. It directly states that he pushed that an imminent rapture was going to occur.

This is actually something that Paul spoke against in this very book. The people of Thessalonica were not doing anything for Christ because they believed the rapture was just a few days away from occurring. They were deteriorating as a people and as Christians because they were excusing their behavior on the end of the world. Paul said that you literally can't miss it because you will be raptured, so there is no point in waiting for it. You must work and be active to fight evil and promote good.

1st Thessalonians 4:10-12
And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.

This indicates that they were getting into other people's business, telling them what to do, and refused to do work with their own hands. Paul was confident that the problem could be fixed and sent a letter... though he had to send a second letter which shows how difficult it is to get some people to do anything. So, the fact remains that the emphasis is on the wrong aspect. The work of the Jew is to keep Christians from the work using deception, though this is being recognized incorrectly. The deception is not in the rapture itself, but the timing of it and the response. It is not something that you wait to happen. It occurs without your input. Your task is to work knowing that this world has a finite expiration date and all of our tasks need to be done before the rapture does occur.

So being baptized in the name of Jesus (ie all Who God actually is) may be about not just being submerged by another into water (or death) but also in God's character.
God recognizes his children giving Himself The Holy Spirit.
God treats all His children with infinite love, goodness, mercy, forgiveness, power, and more.
Jesus came down (all the way and went back) to save us all and give gifts.
God's gift to be His own heir. His dear and precious child.
He will never give you up or let you down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuwLdSR6FgA

>Non-Jew method of how to be saved and have The Holy Ghost
Trust and believe in Jesus Christ for salvation.
That's it! Extremely simple and straight foward.
Why all the other stuff?
<Good stuff is found in The Living Word.
<Jesus gave us His Sword of Truth to see and divide what applies to who.
And
>J E W S
God choose to work through Jews and (((J E W S))). You and I know (((them))) and those that keep to themselves... sort of.