/ub/ - Überhengst

First topic, my study of Revelation and the nature of the beast. I find it fascinating that a large percentage believe that the beast is connected to Rome directly. I can understand why, but it contradicts so much of what else everyone believes about the beast and from my research, I think it contridicts what the Bible is trying to say as well. To being our dive, we need to look at passages about the beast and learn what we are discussing to begin with.

The beast, though first is mentioned in Revelation 11:7, is first described to us in Revelation 13:1 which reads:
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Here we get a look into the specifics of the beast, and as we focus on each piece, it becomes clearer what is being told to us, because each part is mentioned elsewhere in the Bible. We will begin with "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns...". Seven heads? Ten horns? What could this mean? Whenever you have a question to what the Bible means, you need to read more and find answers that the Bible will give you. We can find direct reference to these qualities in Revelation 17, which we will come back to in full, but for now we will look specifically in 17:9-13.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

So the beast is much more complex than just one antichrist. It is seven heads, or mountains, and there are seven kings, of which five are fallen, one is, and one is to come. The beast itself is the eighth king in this organization of kings, of the seven kings, and which will go into perdition, or destruction in other words. The ten horns are another set of kings, but they have no kingdom and thus no power, but will be given that power an hour with the beast. All of which will boost the power of control of the world to this beast. So we learned that the Bible considers the beast to both be this conglomeration of kings to be the beast, and the antichrist himself as the beast. This will be important during further exploration of the passages. Why is this? Because the heads of the beast and the horns are important, but overall subservient to the antichrist and Satan as part of the whole of the beast. This understanding will help the rest of the book make so much more sense, though of course, my understanding is still limited.

Back to that passage in chapter 17, we see something I glanced over and is the point of much confusion, the woman. In the very first verse and on through chapter 17, the focus is less on the beast, but this woman, so let's learn who she is.
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

This is a lot to unpack already, but let's start taking the pieces and start gaining understanding. First we learn that the woman has committed fornication with the kings of earth and the inhabitants are made drunk with the wine, or the results of it. This means the masses benifit from the existance and meddling the nations of the earth have with interaction with the woman. Next, we see the woman sit on the beast who we learned about before, and the woman is given royalty clothing and royal riches and her cup is full of the abominations she has commited with the kings of earth. On her forehead are the words "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH". We begin to gain more of a picture of the evils the woman has done as the woman is drunk on the blood of saints and martyrs of Jesus. The angel then says to not marvel because he is going to reveal the mystery of what we are seeing. He first goes into explaining the beast and then go on to explain the connection with the beast and this woman.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So we learn from the rest of the chapter more critical things to the identity of the woman, so let's piece it all together. First, the woman is that great city which reigneth over the kings of the earth. She commits fornication with all the nations. She sits on many waters, which is is explained to be peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. Next, God makes the nations give their kingdoms unto the beast to fulfil the prophecies. Next, her head is labeled Mystery, Babylon the Great, according to what is written on her forehead. She sits upon seven mountains

Before I reveal the indentiy I believe this to be, let's go over the popular theory, Rome. Rome does fit a couple of these clues, such as reached far, under seveal tounges, seveal nations did willingly give themselves over to Roman authority, it sits upon seven mountains, they were certainly rich, royal, and they did make martyrs, however it comes up short of all the marks needed. Why would Rome be Babylon the Great? There is no great connection to Babylon and the Roman Empire. No where else in the Bible is any great empire just given the title of Babylon for being big or sinful. Rome was never made God really angry like this woman is clearly making him. Rome never fornicated with other kings, they made those kings their underlings, if not disolved them. And then there are the ten kings given power which hate the woman and burn her. There were internal conflicts with Rome and their power struggles, but ten kings given power by the beast and hating Rome, and then burning it? All the other prophecies such as the living statue and the firey mountain that falls upon the waters and more are not fulfilled literally under Rome. You would have to say a ton of the book is metaphor but the woman is definitely a real city. And to top it off, Rome existed, which stands appart from the beast which the city is on not previously being, not being, and yet is. It isn't adding up.

I believe the city is the rebuilt Jerusalem we have today. First, the nation of Israel that exists today exists after it was previously not a nation, it isn't a nation, and yet is. It itself is a ruler among the kings it fornicates with, five kings that are no more, one that is, and one that will be. The identies of these, I don't have enough evidence of, but Israel is responsible for the destruction of countless prophets of God and believers, who use their power and influence to do it, gaining riches off of their fornication in other nations, never a real part of them, but always profitting. The Jews expand across most all nation, among many tongues and multitudes. They make the kings protect them and give them tribute, having power over them as that city that reigneth over the kings of the earth and God makes them give their lands over to fulfil the prophecy of the antichrist. All it takes is a search to find out that Jerusalem also sits upon seven mountains, at least their claim is such. And the final argument to this identity is the name. Mystery, Babylon the Great. Which city was raided and the people taken into captivity in Babylon? And the jews there formed the Sanhedren, a governing body that would try to keep the law, but just as Jews tend to do, take on religious practices from the area and disobey God. This organization would encounter Jesus in John chapter 3 and would go on along with their Pharasees, conspire the death of Jesus. This organization is in essence, the continuation of Babylon in spirit. We will see later that areas will be called by what they are spiritually as well as physically, such as in Revelation 11:8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
We know Jesus is crucified in Israel, but yet it is not seen as Israel to God. It is a wicked place that is not of His promise, to be destroyed like Sodom and a place of idolatry like Egypt.

So it is my conclusion that the events of Revelation have not yet transpired and the nature of the beast is made up of Jerusalem as the woman, or the one controlling the beast. The beast is not just the antichrist, but him with more players than what we are lead to believe and in fact many nations. We have been deceived if we are looking for one man to control us, though it is the number of a man that will bind so many.

I will pick back up with more about the fate of the woman that continues in chapter 18 and more lessons to be had in Revelation soon.

>>3411
I'll be taking a stance of 'oh fug it's a plot and plan'
Starting from the beginning for this.
My misinterpretations.
Starting from the begining.
>tldr I see it more as an instruction manual and plot.
1 Chap
1:1 God (all that is good and right and true) passes a message to Jesus, to show Jesus' servants "things which must shortly come to pass;" ie stuff that will happen and also must be accomplished.
John who got the message saw the angel of verification.
1:2 John recorded it. It's totes true.
1:3 Four things
Read this
They understand the message
Do the message
Do it NOW!

1:4 + 1:5 okay going to shoot a bit in the dark just with the KJB
John (YOU do the four things which is YOU who is also Loyal and Reliable). Is of and from and communicates with the seven churches.
Do that Jesus, and Jesus' seven spirit bros are gonna be cool with (YOU from whenever) ie always applies.
1:5 Jesus Christ IS the witness (of what is good, right, and true) and is very trust worthy. Born of, Risen of, Came from (kinda odd) from THE DEAD. Because Jesus is the prince of the kings of Earth. Can do no wrong the sins are washed away.
[I think this is a passage saying that when truth, righteousness, dies the kings can't be held accountable.]
1:6 Also in case anyone wasn't sure that means (((US))). Forever. In accordance to the highest power ever.
<Okay so the definitions of how this will play out is set A John, The Jesus (truth from the dead), and the (Kings and Priests)
So cloud time.
1:7 Clouds (the PLAN) are going to come (good, bad, whatever). They will poke at the cloud (PLAN) and nothing happens it's above and soft to go right through. (Sort of reminds you of (((some group))). No matter if they throw a fit or moan do it.
1:8 There is the ULTIMATE GOODNESS AND TRUTH AND JUSTICE. Always.
1:9 it's me John who wrote this, writing from Patmos. Also broski I'll be with you for these instructions. This has been a prerecorded message. Also it's really for reals.
1:10 Here's the message. For reals, on a sunday with absolute authority.
1:11 DUDE! Record this. Spam it everywhere who is of likeness of faith!
1:12 Seven Candle Sticks
1:13middle one is kinda like a man, but it's a not-girl. He has clothing to the feet and also a bra.
1:14 White hair, fire passion eyes of living.
1:15 Brass colored feet, cause he still is a candle. A voice the sound of many waters.
<going to real here that's kind of sketchy, but visions are whatever
1:16 He got stars in his right hand. His mouth has a double EDGED SWORD. HMMMM. Also his face was of the sun with Strength.
1:17 Bow most low before God Jesus.
1:18 SUPRISE! It's God Jesus. Really.
1:19 You better write this down for reals.
1:20 Stars are angles of those churches, Churches are candles.
Definately writteded down.
2 Chap
1 To the CHURCH AT THE TRADE CENTER OF THE WORLD
2 So far not a bad job. Nice work removing unwanted elements.
3 You did it according to The Plan.
4 Yah dun goofed. The point is to SUPPORT (US) and (The Plan).
5 If you don't the pimp hand of smiting is at the ready to remove you CHURCH AT THE CENTER OF ALL TRADE.
6 Although you did good about hating Nicolaitans. Keep on hating them.
(The first point of worship is to US, and the PLAN)
7 Succeed you will be Rewarded.
8 To THE CHURCH AT THE MOST STRATIGIC PLACE.
>I'm assuming this is in a high population that is antithetical to the Plan and is hostile.
9 I know what you've been up to. You're loaded with riches. Because of your location I know there are also Flase Jews near you. That's bad that there are False Jews. Really evil.
10 No matter what happens maintain your position, even if they kill some of you.
11 I won't go ruin you if you do The Plan when you die.
12 To THE CHURCH IN THE SEAT OF EVIL
13 Job review, Holding fast to the name in the asscrack of evil. That's good.
14 You are cracking under the pressure. Actually turning against the Israelites, The Jews, US, The Plan! Bad!
15 Then CHURCH IN THE SEAT OF EVIL you follow Nicolaitans. US, FIRST! ALWAYS!
16 Fix it or else.
17 If you are listening. WE will harbor you, and create a new identity for you.
18 To THE CHURCH THAT SITS ABOVE THE OLD HEATHIN GROUNDS WHO ALSO PRODUCE STUFF.
19 You do Works but also works.
20 Jezebel isn't US, The Plan. Disregard the false prophetess. Who is making you fornicate, take that is for US, and be taught Wrongly. Bad.
21 The fuckery has gone on long enough, Jezebel was one of Us, but is fuckering everything up.
22 So rape the cunt, and repent! Obey US!
23 Then we gut her children. It's a show of force. The only one You all obey is US, The Plan.
24 Stay there do not slide any more DO NOTHING TILL THE PLAN, AND US GET THERE. THAT'S ALL.
25 Most Loyal and steadfast of followers WAIT FOR US. AND ONLY US.
26 You that OBEY the best will be put in charge of the Nations.
27 Rule those Nations till they shatter! An Iron Rod on Pottery!
28 Do so You will have a place among us. The Morning Star.
29 LISTEN OR ELSE.
3 Chapter 3
1 To THE CHURCH IN THE MILITARY STRONGHOLD
2 Okay SPYS you and yours alone will hold up what is about to be dead. Patrols, Walls, Buildings, Organizations. You need to do better! For Spy stuff and sabotage.
3 You better pay attention or you will be among the casualties.
4 Those Agents that haven't done dirty work, join US Publicly.
5 The mask you wear when WE, US The Plan. Arrives must be pure and clean. You won't die, but Your fate still remains to be seen.
6 Listen!
7 To THE CHURCH OF PHILADELPHIA THE MOST LOYAL. You obeyed good and well. The reward will be to enter into Our Kingdom on Earth. You've Opened what US said to be open. You've Closed what US The Plan have said to keep Closed.
8 You did what We commanded loyaly, without fail, even with little resources. You've also kept Pure to The Plan!
<Here's the reward.
>Next post.

>>3415

9
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” Rev 3:9
First make them (Target A) of the vilest evil and paint them blackest of evils.
(Target A) say the synagogue of Satan is jews. That's bad.
(Target A) also are not jews.
Thus (Target A) are liars. Jews totally arn't evil, goy.
So by using the name of all that is good and righteous (Target A) will kneel in reverence.
(Target A) knows that (which is (((them))) ) are blessed by good and righteousness.
10 For an outstanding job you will be by my side without want. Because The Plan demands hardships, THE CHURCH OF THE MOST LOYAL will be granted gifts as well.
11 For keeping The Plan's Reign of ruleing. It will be praised.
<So far this looks like world domination
12 You will be By Us our side for all of time. Disapear Forever from the outside. You will be OF GOODNESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS. To enter our secret city of The Plan! "And I will write upon him my new name."
13 end message.
14 To THE CHURCH OF MOSTLY JEWS, WELL OFF, AND LITTLE TROUBLES
15 You contribute a middling degree to Us. It's mediocre.
16 Not fit for US.
17 You say you don't need to pay. You're wrong.
18 You are to buy US Gold, and Wealth, and Riches! Shame on you. For if you have done so we will cloth, feed, shelter, and enrich you well enough. (Specifically untraceable gold, or pure refined gold.)
19 Go Excel in The Plan.
20 You would have a place by The Plan. Give unto Us the everything. Your things will be The Plan's things.
21 The place for you may be reciprocated if you do a well enough job. By The Plan's seat of power.
22 End of this message and you have better listened.

The next chapter looks a bit different so I'll take a break for now.

>>3413
Next, we will look at Revelation chapter 18 to finalize our conclusion about the identity of the woman, that city, Babylon the Great.

1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

In this chapter, we jump forward to the destruction of Babylon. Once destroyed, it will be a habitation of devils, foul spirits, and only fit for birds. It reaffirms that this city is the same as in chapter 17, talking about how it fornicated with the kings of earth, adding this time that merchants of the earth are made rich from this city. Before we jump to our previous conclusion, we will look at the rest of the chapter and piece together the clues that might lead people to think it is Rome and see if they hold up under the literal interpretation.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Next, the people of God are called out to leave this place. It is hard to imagine people would live in wickedness like this, but just as Lot in Genesis 19 chose to live in Sodom and Gomorrha, we can find ourselves justifying living in sinful places. Just as God called out Lot, as corrupted by the sin of the city as he was, He will call out those that He will call his people out from destruction before it is too late. Next it mentions the sins of this place and how it reaches God. Babylon the Great will say that it cannot be touched, that it rules over all as a queen, that it is not a widow, meaning it never stopped being with God, and will never see sorrow. Basically, this city believes it to be the chosen city, but God will judge it with plauges and to be destroyed by fire all in one day. This is what people tend to trip themselves up with. Rome was burned down and had devistating plauges, so therefore it must be Rome and the events of this passage if not the whole book must have already happened according to this theory. Let's keep reading to find out if this holds up.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. 11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, 13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

They city's loss is being mourned, not for the people in it, but the power and riches lost. It then lists all mechandise that the city had and could be traded with the final qualifier "and thou shalt find them no more at all". This at the very least means that never again can these items be found in this city. It could imply an even greater effect in the economy that crashes it worldwide and it becomes very hard to find these things at all, but at the very least these items can not be traded ever again in the city once destroyed. Take a look at Rome and see if any of the listed items can be found and traded today. This alone can disprove the Roman connection to the city with the literal interpretation of the text, but we still have the rest of the chapter to dive into and learn from.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! 17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, 18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! 19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. 20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

>>3420
We again see that God is extremely angry at this city and said that it is being destroyed as vengeance for all the apostles and prophets. Now, Rome did have Christians killed, but is God's divine vengeance really burning down the city, to have it rebuilt, to have it slowly fall apart much later, then still exist and a far lesser presence on the world stage? His wrath must be on another city.

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no* craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

And lastly, we find the final verses that put a nail in the coffin of the Rome theory. The stone being tossed in the sea is a metaphor for how violent the end of the city will be. It will be utterly wiped out. And if you think there is any recovery from this, it goes on to say that there will be no more sound of music, no craftsmen of any craft, and the sound of millstones, possibly meaning machines, but at the least meaning no food production being in the city, the light of candles will shine no more, and there will be no more weddings. This city is completely dead. Even if you attempt to build it back, there is no saving it without these things. It then says that the merchants of this city were the great men of earth, people holding power, and the sorceries of this city were all nations deceived. And this woman, this city, Babylon the Great, is found to be responsible for the deaths of the prophets, the saints, and all that were slain upon the earth. What other place could it be than our greatest ally? What other place has biblically always been responsible for the deaths of the prophets, even having Jesus say as much (Matthew 23:29-39, Luke 11:47-54). It is possible that a city not yet built, or a city of another name is Babylon, but it seems clear from all of these passages that it must be Jerusalem.

All of this was necessary to learn who we are talking about come the rest of Revelation. Next time, we will go over Revelation chapter 1, as it seems to be a topic of interest in this thread, and the build up to the events of the rest of the book. I will try to link up more passages from other books that tell us what to expect from the last days before these events are to transpire. I hope you all enjoy the study as much as I do, because this has been rather fun to type up. I can't promise to update regularly, but I will try my best.

What does the Jerico stuff mean?

>>3427
Not sure what you are referring to by Jericho. If you mean that you want to dive into that part of the Bible where the city of that name was destroyed, we can certainly do that, but I would like you to explain the question a bit better and it will help me focus a study into the topic.

>>3421
Now we pick up at the beginning of Revelation, knowing some background of the main characters to watch as the story progresses.
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

It opens with an introduction of who is writing the book. It is John who bore record of the testimony of Jesus and all the things he saw. This means that the writer is the same John that was the disciple of Jesus.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

This opening sets the tone for the rest of the book. The seven churches in Asia, which is to say Asia Minor, modern day Turkey, are also tied to seven Spirits where are before the throne of God. John will go more into detail about this, but these churches are the focus of dicipline from God as are in need of correction and guidance. He reminds them of the return of Christ, which for those that are saved, we know Him as the one that loved us and washed us from sins by taking our place. But for the rest that live to see His return, it will be quite a different experience. Everyone is see him and all people of earth will wail. At the time of His return, they will have been following a false messiah, so the appearance of the Savior will bring sorrow.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying,I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

John discribes himself being in the Spirit of the Lord's day, which means he was no longer bound to his body. In which, he will see wonders and is told to write down what is seen on the Lord's Day, or the events of Revelation.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me,Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The seven candlesticks appear and in the midst of them is the Son of man, which is another name for Jesus. John describes him as looking like unto Jesus because He certainly does look a bit different. Here He is described, among other visuals, as having seven stars in his right hand and a twoedged sword in his mouth. The stars are explained in verse 20 as being the angels of the seven churches, which the seven candlesticks are the churches themselves, which Jesus is in the midst of. The sword is not explained, though Bible knowlege can be applied to how the tongue is sharper than a twoedged sword, but much more importantly, as is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12). This means that God is going to cut deep with His rebuke of the churches.

>>3429
Revelation 2
1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Here we being with the first church at Ephesus. Jesus points out to them a praise of what they have done so far, rejecting evil and also trying, or testing, those that claim to be apostles. This is a problem several churches had at the beginning and the subversion did not lead to good results. In fact, the majority of the deception came from, you guessed it, the Jewish population (Titus 1:10-16) and would corrupt the congregation into becoming sinful and desiring to be made customers to the merchandise of their teachings (II Peter 2:1-3). It is important to note that this city that has massive cultural diversity, heavy pagan roots, and a Jewish presence, once before tried to cast out all Christians on behalf of the loss of sales of idols to worship (Acts 19:23-41). Even still, a church was set up and refused to let their members fall into this trap of many false teachers pulling them into conformity with the surrounding religious mix of so many gods from so many nations and peoples.

Despite this defense of their faith, the still are lacking in the sight of God. They lost the first love, or the passion and desire to follow God. They focused more on those trials to see who is a flase prophet than applying those very trials to themselves to be actively teaching the truth to more people, avoiding the grip of false prophets altogether. They must remember that they are sinners brought out of destruction and to do the first works, spreading the gospel. Next, Jesus mentions the Nicolaitans and how He hates them. In order to find out if they are a good group or not, you simply need to find out who they are and what they believe, which seems to be Balaamism. Balaam is mentioned thoughout the Bible but notably in the church era in II Peter 2:10-22. It is a massive perversion based on obtaining wealth, eating meat sacrificed to gods, fornication, and celebrating all other feasts of other religions, including the practices that come with them. Nothing says you are a Christian than a feast to Baal and an after party of fornication.

Jesus then wraps up talking to this church with a often used phrase of his: He that hath ears, let him hear. This means that something important is to be taken away from all of this, which is that if you overcome, you will eat of the tree of life, meaning you will have life abundant in eternity. Threw this one together a bit fast. I will spend more time tomorrow finishing the rest of the churches and going into what to expect of the last days, then it will be on to the meat of the book, the events of Revelation.

>>3429
I don't understand the Jericho part of the bible. What did that part mean/represent? What lessons can be taken away from it?

>>3431
The Old Testament is a mix of lessons in books such as Proverbs and historical accounts. Though you might draw a lesson or two from the account, it is mainly a historical piece. Let's go over the text and see what we can learn.

Joshua 1
1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying, 2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel. 3 Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses. 4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast. 5 There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

In order to understand Jericho, we have to first understand the background of the new leader of the Israelites. This is Joshua, who was told to take command after the death of Moses. Moses was barred from leading the people any further after he disobeyed the order to speak unto the rocks for water to come forth. He instead did so and also struck them, making it appear to be not only himself that has this power, but also appeared to be a mundane discovery. Perhaps the water was just there and you simply had to hit the rock to reveal it. If you just speak and water begins to burst out of a rock, that rules out most all physical explanations other than pure luck that you timed your voice at that precise moment of it going to happen regardless. Moses was then condemned to stay upon a mountain that had view over the land the Israelites would one day occupy.

Now Joshua was chosen by God to be the replacement for Moses (Deuteronomy 31:14-21) in which God also says that the people once in this new land will betray Him for the gods of this land and forsake God despite all that He will do for them. He then comands Moses to have a song written to try to delay this fate, that the memories of what has taken place would not be lost to their decendants. The inheritance of the land promised to the ancestors would then fall upon Joshua. As we pick back up in our passage, we find that once Joshua enters this land, that everywhere he lives to venture is going to be his. God also then promises that no one will be able to stand against him. Thus the Israelites set off and approached Jericho, the Caananite stonghold. Joshua sent spies to scout the city, and they hid in a house of a harlot named Rahab (Joshua 2:1-21). She kept the spies hidden and in return, the spies swore that anyone lodged inside the house of her father would be safe as long as they didn't leave the house in the invasion. The spies returned to the army of Joshua, but there was a problem. The army had to cross over the river Jordan to get to the fortified city, which at that time of year, had flooded. Joshua was told by God that he would have them pass right though the river, much like He had them do in the Red Sea (Joshua 3:14-17). So at this point, the Israelites have just moved their whole army over the river like it was nothing and are ready for a fight, and the kings of the Amorites, which were on the other side of this river, just did a double take and many lost the will to fight altogther (Joshua 5:1).

Now we get to the familiar part of the story. Joshua starts to advance towards Jericho, which has not surrendered, being a stronghold city. They believe that they can simply out attrition them and wait for all the disheartened kings to regain their will to fight an enemy that can't take over the city. And so Joshua seeks help from God to figure out the answer of what to do.

Joshua 5
13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
Joshua 6
1 Now Jericho was straitly shut up because of the children of Israel: none went out, and none came in. 2 And the LORD said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour. 3 And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once*. Thus shalt thou do six days. 4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets. 5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.

>>3438
And so the captain of the LORD's host appears, which in named LORD in the following chapter, tells Joshua about what must happen to overtake the city. The whole army has to walk around the city once for six days straight with the ark of the covenant and trumpets also making the march. The seventh day calls for seven circles and then everyone will sound trumpets and shout which will then proceed with the walls falling down on their own. This act of faith would mean it would be impossible to happen without a direct intervention from God, as the likelihood of some earthquake hitting exactly one week as they did their circle ritual and at the same time they blew their horns and shouted, after they crossed an entire army over a flooded river is zero.

So Joshua and the Israelites actually do what is requested of them and follow the procedure exactly as was told of them (Joshua 6:6-20). About time.
21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

And so the city was razed. Not a soul was spared save those that were in the house promised to be spared, not an animal either, only the metals were kept to add to the treasures and construction of the temple that would one day be built. Those of that house were then integrated into Israel, allowed to live there for the rest of their days. At the end of this passage, we get a curse. Whoever rebuilds Jericho will lose his firstborn son laying the new foundation, and the youngest will die setting up the gates to the city. This curse is fulfilled during the rule of Ahab, the wicked king, by one named Hiel the Bethelite.
I Kings 16
30 And Ahab the son of Omri did evil in the sight of the LORD above all that were before him. 31 And it came to pass, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him. 32 And he reared up an altar for Baal in the house of Baal, which he had built in Samaria. 33 And Ahab made a grove; and Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel that were before him. 34 In his days did Hiel the Bethelite build Jericho: he laid the foundation thereof in Abiram his firstborn, and set up the gates thereof in his youngest son Segub, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Joshua the son of Nun.
Which means across authors of the Bible and across history, this one curse was kept true. Even if you deny all the events of the books, it is thought that the books of Joshua and I Kings were written nearly 500 years apart, and this detail was kept in the writing of both authors. If you take away anything from this, hopefully it is attention to detail at the very least.

Now for lessons. This is a heavily historical focused passage, so we don't get a direct lesson, but we could come up with one. When you have instruction from God, do it precisely as and when He says to do it. We get our instruction daily from the Word already preserved in the Bible. We have the ability to apply it to everything we do. It is our failure to read, listen, and apply. We don't need to add to it like Moses. We need to do it just as it says like Joshua, even if it doesn't seem logical. Because in the end, God knows the outcome, controls the events, and guides us to victory against impossible odds. Another lesson might be if you are going to be pagan, don't worship Molech and Baal. God gets really pissed with those religions and declares genocide if you don't repent. Baby sacrifice by fire tends to make God a bit angry. This was a pretty good study, so let me know if you have any more questions or study ideas.

>>3439
Thank you.
What is your favourite part of the bible?

>>3454
Sorry for the delay. I would say my favorite is the book of Ecclesiastes. It is written looking back on life and realizing the meaninglessness of doing everything for yourself. As you gain wisdom, you gain sorrow. How even as the world appears to change, there is nothing new under the sun. There is a time and place for everything, and the conclusion of fear God and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

>>3459
>Ecclesiastes
Fukkin A right it is. From memory:
Whether or not there is a literal God is irrelevant; one will endeavor to live a good and righteous life if one abides his commandments and teachings (paraphrased)

>>3430
Sorry for not posting so much, but I have been strapped for time lately. Let's quickly look at the next passage in Revelation.

Revelation 2
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Jesus introduces Himself in an important way to this city, as He died for them and is now alive. He knows their works, their trials they are facing, and how they live in poverty, but yet they are rich in Christ. This reminds me of this particular passage:
1 Corinthians
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

The riches of God are your works that are worth something. Everything in this world will burn, so what is worth something is what you did with this world before it burned. This all happens in heaven as you notice at the end of the passage "he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." This is when we see our life's work burn before God, and the wood, hay, and stubble will be the useless, the selfish, and the pointless we have done. Whether it be time wasted, potential forgone, or people we hurt along the way will all make us suffer loss. But the gold, silver, and precious stone is what we did in the name of God, so that He receives the glory, the people we helped and led to salvation, and what we did to grow in Christ and better serve him will all be preserved and rewarded.

Continuing in Revelation, Jesus also knows the blasphemy of the false Jews, which are the synagogue of Satan. This could be people that appear to be Jewish and are passing as them, perhaps Samaritans or just race mixing Jews, or perhaps even Jews themselves which are of their father the devil (John 8:44). Regardless of the case, they were using their position to try to corrupt and destroy the church. Jesus then goes on to say that you are not to fear the things you will suffer by their hands, with prison and tribulation. Keep the faith unto death and you will be rewarded the crown of life, a reward like previously mentioned for doing something worth doing in your life. He wraps up the passage reminding that though you can die in this body, you are kept from the second death, eternal death.

An interesting side note, Polycarp, a bishop of this city way back when, was burned for his faith with the help of Jews, who gathered wood for the fire during the Sabbath, which they are not allowed by their law to work on, and denied him a burial after the execution.

This wasn't my best study session. I will try a bit harder next time to piece together a more coherent explanation of the content, but I felt like I really needed to make this one to get back into the swing of things.

>>3475
Why do you think so many Christian sites turn into cuckservative playpens where boomer christians grumble to each other about this week's real-hate crime against christians and refuse to allow any talk the left deems racist/jewphobic/antisandniggeric/sexist?

>>3411
I'd like to enrich this bread with an original NatSoc point of view about Christianity.

>Six Chapters on Christianity and National Socialism (AUDIO BOOK read by The Fascifist)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Gho3eM25nIPE/ [Embed]

>>3478
That would be a combination of many things. First would be that the older, indoctrinated generation is what largely remains of the faith, as they failed to teach their children in the way they should go, leaving a mainly godless generation in their wake (Proverbs 22:6, 2 Timothy 3:1-7). This has drastically decreased how many Christians you can find that are not boomer age range.

Second, the majority of Christians that care about the religion are slightly right of center, of which the prevailing political beliefs are light conservativism with a helping of distain for racism, unless it is pro-Israeli racism.

Third, the Bible says God doesn't discriminate in faith, allowing all that believe to be saved, and will judge based on this alone and not race, which leads people to take the opposite extreme and believe God is saying to destroy our home and race to appease other races. They forget that God commanded the separation of man across the world, effectively commanding the races to be formed, but the rebellion to create the Tower of Babel forced God to fast track the race creation by altering the languages of the people, forming new base languages and undoing the ability to cooperate effectively to form a world government in defiance of God. (Genesis 11:1-9)

I suppose it is impossible to engage directly in a way you might be used to, by posting and sharing quickly and efficiently. It would take studies that slowly reveal to them the truth of the Bible in full, should God help reveal it to them. People that try to understand the Bible without divine aid by the Holy Spirit and study are doomed to get lost in misinterpretation and will dive into heresy and worship of Satan, either directly or indirectly (2 Peter 3:16-17).

The Five Solae & Trinitarianism roundly sum up true, Biblical Christianity:

Jesus, the Father, and Holy Spirit are all God & One

All beliefs must be founded upon Holy Scripture, which is the ultimate authority. Traditions can be healthy but must not add to or take away from Scriptural doctrine.

We are saved by the Grace of God & faith in Jesus alone. Good works are the fruit, not the means, of salvation & are done to please God & extend His love to others.

Jesus was the final atonement for our sins so that God can forgive us and grant us eternal life by His conquest of death itself. We need not atone for our sins with our works anymore.

All glory & worship belong to God alone. Not to Mary, not to any saints, no one else.

Jesus' blood spiritually washes us clean of sins & makes us, in God's view, righteous & worthy of Heaven. Our spirits are righteous (thanks to God, not ourselves) although our flesh is not because we are all born in sin.

Any beliefs that contradict these are not Biblical & therefore not Christian.

>>3411
>Feel free to argue with me
Not my intention to argue, but just to draw your attention to some Bible drawbacks regarding the ongoing subversion in the West.

Every you need to know about Hitler and Christian

THE 3RD REICH WAS POSITIVELY CHRISTIAN

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vLje4jADEIAF/ [Embed]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/abaZDJMHmyg0/ [Embed]

THE SS AND THE TEUTONIC KNIGHTS AND THE BLACK SUN

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ON HITLER'S TABLE TALK PART 1

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ON HITLER'S TABLE TALKS PART 2

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HITLER'S CHRISTIAN GERMANY: THE TWELVE YEAR CHRISTIANDOM

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NnzWSax8QAB8/ [Embed]

WAS HITLER A PAGAN? A RESPONSE TO CRITICS

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RRI82HqkOiJ2/ [Embed]

HITLERS SPEECH WE WILL DEFEND CHRISTIAN GERMANY

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HITLER'S FAITH: A TEXTUAL ANALYSIS OF MEIN KAMPF

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>>3496
Hitler actually talks about these quote in mein kampf here about it, it's the last video btw

The traditional Catholic Church vs the satanic jews.

The majority of people worship Satan, but don’t know it.

I apologize for my absence. There is really no excuse other than I kept putting it off. I hope you will still read through this and the coming little studies.

Revelation 2
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Here we read that the words given in this passage are from he which hath the sharp sword, which recalling from the previous part in chapter 1 will help make this meaning clear:
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Christ is saying, as the rest of the passage provides details of, that His word is the sword to combat the persecution which is going to befall the believers, which is already taking place as the letter is being written. The passage states they live where Satan's seat is and they did not deny Christ even when Antipas was killed for the faith.

I wanted to talk more about Antipas, but I could not find information that could agree, only traditional legend passed down and Catholic sainthood description, which states that he casted out demons that were being worshipped and was burned alive inside a statue of a bull. He is the Catholic patron saint of healing toothaches. A downgrade if you ask me. Seems like he should be much more important to the Catholic sainthood if he was mentioned by name in the Bible, but moving on. What is important is the place he was killed at. It was a religious center with many pagan temples and supposedly the site where an organized cult worship of the Roman Emperor was started. It would make sense that such a place would be the place Satan would like to dwell in, a place of confusion and sin.

And unfortunately, the church there did not avoid the sin as once again, they have the teachings of Baalam and the Nicolaitans in their congregation, committing fornication and sacrifices to idols. Jesus then gives more promises, that if they don't repent, He will fight against the teachers of these iniquities, but also if they overcome, they will be given hidden manna and a white stone with a new name. The manna refers to sustaining food the Israelites had in the wilderness, meaning God will sustain them even when there appears to be no possible way. The stone seems to be more debated on the meaning, some saying it is referring to the white pillar stones in front of the temple of Pergamos which have names of people healed by God, many others say it represents judged innocent, meaning you are not condemned. Another possibility is a reward for completing and athletic competition given in this era, which is thematically appropriate, especially to 2 Timothy 4:7
7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

Whichever interpretation of the stone you believe fits best, the point is that for those that held the faith in the seat of Satan, they were given this stone, which no one knows but those that receive it. This name is likely the secret name of God hinted at in Revelation 19:12.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Which means they will be close to the Lord, a relationship that no man on earth can fully comprehend. It also could mean their own name change, to symbolize the new creature you become once saved.

Hopefully I will be back on a more regular schedule after this massive absence. I once again apologize for it and hope to see you for the next portion of this brief study of Revelation.

>>3704
Kied in a statue of a bull... isn't that a thing the Greeks did? They burned people alive in a bronze bull designed so that their screams would echo and sound like bull noises, right?

>>3704
Glad to have you back.

>>3709
Yeah.
It's another case of a reformed sinner preaching to the world.
Nevertheless, he's not wrong.

>>3710
Is Christianity a theory?

>>3711
>blasphemy
Retribution.

>>3714
>reee! U cant say things I dont like! Watch me posture with rage-implying CGI
Sorry, didnt mean to trigger you by saying something 'haram'. I forgot what tha Hadith says about infidels

>>3715
Sorry anon but I believe you still don't get it.
It's not about to trigger a particular anon, but the holy duty to exact due justice on those opposing the Faith. After all, tolerance was the beginning of the current downhill.

>>3711
No, fool.

"Christianity is a theory" is a theory to explain away why it exists without hurting your ego by thinking there might be something more to the universe than mass and matter, something holy and divine and just and true and worth fighting for.

Western civilization was founded on the marriage of God and Knowledge, yet God says to put God first because otherwise you'd commit atrocities in the name of knowledge.

Smug atheists love to believe they're special. So special, they believe they would continue to follow the christian values (or liberal values aka a bastardized weaponized hypocritical mockery of christian values) they were raised with even in a godless society where worship of the LORD isn't mandatory.

It's a shame most atheists aren't smart enough to understand why God set rules such as "Thou shalt not murder unjustly", "Thou shalt not steal", "Thou shalt not want to bone thy neighbour's wife" and so on. In their desperation to feel superior to Christianity despite how little good atheism has done for the world compared to organized religion, they ignore the Muslims raping their nieces and nephews and try to piss off, attack, and otherwise harass Christians in a country where they aren't allowed to fight back.

Just a reminder about why we are in deep shit.

>>3716
Spoken like a true muslim
>>3718
Yes, but without conclusive evidence, its conjecture. Ergo, a theory. Definitively and conclusively.

>>3724
>Yes, but without conclusive evidence, its conjecture. Ergo, a theory.
I would be under the assumption that at least most Christians would say they do indeed possess conclusive evidence of there being a God, that what's written in the New Testament is fact.

>inb4 but they're wrong
Maybe. How would we know that?

>inb4 historical evidence
And? We live in an age where informational integrity is the scarcest of resources. As well if you want to argue about it in the realm of philosophy, it the line does occasionally blur with theology, and there's been very smart people that have argued both ways. But if you would, please make a new thread about it so those that would like to study the messages of the Bible itself here, without questioning its origins, can do so in peace. In fact I could go ahead and make a philosophy thread myself if you like, I've been meaning to do so anyway. >>3708 is also invited.

>>3725
For those interested, I've since gotten distracted from the Intro to the Critique of Pure Reason by Fight Club, but God willing, will get around to it eventually.
>>3726 →

>>3724
No, "ur conjecture" is an ad hominem.

>>3728
>conjecture: Attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument
I've done no such thing, and you're attempting to misrepresent my argument. If I were attacking anyone's character I would cast aspersions on RooshV. In any case, testimony is easily dismissive by a credible cross-examiner; there is no evidence of truth to the mythology of christianity that can pass objective criteria. Ergo, it is conjecture, aka a theory. But this anon >>3725 is right, I'll decline to take easy potshots ITT in future.

>>3727
>Critique of Pure Reason
Nice title to entertain the intellect, however masonic illuminism is at odds with the Faith.

>>3729
>mythology of christianity
>more blasphemy
Repent.

>>3731
I offered to not belabor any points ITT. Dont make me reconsider. Byr now.

>>3730
>Nice title to entertain the intellect
I'm assuming you haven't read it, because if you did, or at least the majority of the introduction like I have, you would know that this was the very thing he was trying to critique, reason giving the illusion of knowledge without the experience to determine whether or not it were sound, as in the title, "The Critique of Pure Reason."

I invite you to come talk about in the thread I've made, if you prefer. I know I would, so that anons could get back to study of the Bible. There was a good thread going here, hate to see it continue off the rails.

Glad to see everyone interested in this thread. I hope I can make it worth the attention.

>>3705
The area talked about was Greek controlled, now located in Turkey. I can't confirm as I never heard of a Greek practice like this, but I haven't studied the topic of Greek religious customs. If they did, it was a Greek area, so it would make sense.

>>3706
Thanks. I'm glad you have been sticking around even in my absence.

>>3711
[YouTube] Uh, No - Gaben [Embed]

>>3712
Probably the former, but at least it is opening up some discussion.

>>3714
>>3716
While tolerance is definitely something taught against, even in the verses I am covering now, where Jesus promises to destroy the churches that are tolerating heresies and corruption within, we must also have longsuffering towards those both within and without.
II Timothy 4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away* their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Those that deny and those that become unfruitful should be dealt with in patience.

>>3717
Most likely.

>>3718
Matthew 5
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

It is best to use the Word as your method of correction and not namecalling by yourself, as it just makes those that could listen turn away. I struggle with this as well, especially in the moment, but it would be best to keep calm and correct with the best corrective tool given to man, which is far more effective in the names it calls you, as it hits you with truth rather than human reasoning. For example, Psalm 14 and Psalm 53 say nearly the exact same thing, with only slight variation in the text, so I will take from Psalm 14
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

The reason this works is because it says the truth, that they that deny the existence of God, and further more, no one, seeks after God. They are corrupt and can't see Him even if He floated in front of them to see.

>>3720
Agreed.

>>3725
>>3727
I will be sure to check out this thread. I haven't studied many thinkers in depth, but I will be interested to take a dive into it.

>>3730
Nothing wrong with exploring some literary works and the thoughts of those that have come before, as long as you remember that the best of us are flawed and compare everything to the ultimate measure, the Word of God.

>>3732
[YouTube] Ok I Love You Bye Bye [Embed]

>>3734
Off the rails is much more engaging than block text of Scripture, as long as it returns to the focus, which I think will happen with another post or two of mine. I'm glad things got a bit off topic as it gave you the idea for a thread.

>>3734
>I'm assuming you haven't read it,
I did when I was 19, it is NOT an easy book, it needs at least 3 re-reads to grasp it and draw conclusions from it. This is the reason why I prefer books like Candide by Voltaire, a superb novel if you ask.
Going back to our common matter: philosophy is like brain masturbation for the idle soul. Illuminism is the root of the West's decline.

>>3735
>I will be sure to check out this thread. I haven't studied many thinkers in depth, but I will be interested to take a dive into it.
Hope to see you over there.

>>3736
Okay pal. Hope you reconsider.

>>3736
Based, I see what you did there. Or perhaps, what resulted of what you did. You're not wrong tho.

Wait, I have a legitimate question.

What does god say of Christians who engage in falsehood, duplicity, and disingenuously represent themselves? Like, is it okay for Christians to willfully lie and deceive? Even non believers? I thought that was only a muslim thing.

>>3742
Do you think Christians should be the only people not allowed to lie

>>3744
But your question is gay. It makes no sense to bash christians when evil is raping your country. You can't prove that there is or is not a deity, that's why they call it "Faith". Faith that there could be more to the universe than meat and dirt. Smug atheist bullies love to suck muslim cock and bully christians to feel secure. You harass the patient in lands where they cannot kill you for it legally. It's a shame.

>>3742
>>3743
>>3744
>>3748
What the fuck.
The incomprehension at play here on both sides is mind boggling.
Well let's go check the books with a word search.
Because unlike most dune religions Christianity actually has multiple search engines.
Multiple posts incoming.

Using https://www.biblegateway.com
Psalm 34
King James Version
34 I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.

2 My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.

3 O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together.

4 I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears.

5 They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed.

6 This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.

7 The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.

8 O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

9 O fear the Lord, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.

10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing.

11 Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the Lord.

12 What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good?

13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.

14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

15 The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.

16 The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

17 The righteous cry, and the Lord heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.

18 The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all.

20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.

21 Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.

22 The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.

>>3751
Exodus 34
King James Version
34 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.

3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.

4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the Lord had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

5 And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.

6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.

9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.

10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the Lord: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.

11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.

12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:

13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.

17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.

20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

23 Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.

24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the Lord thy God thrice in the year.

25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

27 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.

31 And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them.

32 And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the Lord had spoken with him in mount Sinai.

33 And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face.

34 But when Moses went in before the Lord to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded.

35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

>>3752
Hebrews 12
King James Version
12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

>>3753
Additional resource:
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
Matthew 5
King James Version
5 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

>>3754
In order of Beatitudes. Compressed.
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
>An early contemplation on the Beatitudes came from St. Gregory of Nyssa, a mystic who lived in Cappadocia in Asia Minor around 380 AD. He described the Beatitudes this way:
>"Beatitude is a possession of all things held to be good,
from which nothing is absent that a good desire may want.
Perhaps the meaning of beatitude may become clearer to us
if it is compared with its opposite.
Now the opposite of beatitude is misery.
Misery means being afflicted unwillingly with painful sufferings."
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
>"Poor in spirit" means to be humble.
>If we are humble and appreciate that all of our gifts and blessings come from God, we grow in love and gratitude for Jesus Christ our Savior. But this can only produce mourning and regret over our own sins and the sins of this world, for we have hurt the one who has been so good to us. One also mourns for the suffering of others.
St. Gregory describes another reason to mourn: the more one ascends in meditation of Divine Truth, Beauty, and Goodness, and then realize the poverty of human nature, man can only be left in sorrow. When one contemplates that we were made in the image and likeness of God and lived in Paradise, the Garden of Eden, and compare that to our present state after the Fall, one can only mourn our present condition. But the sentence continues that they shall be comforted, by the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, and hopefully one day in the Kingdom of Heaven. Pray for the Fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) - love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
Mourning in this context is called a blessing, because mourning our fallen nature creates in us a desire to improve ourselves and to do what is right!
>A person that is meek is one that exhibits self-control.
. . .
Obedience and submission to the will of God are certainly not in vogue these days, but they will bring one peace in this world and in the next.
>Justice and righteousness in the New Covenant indicate the fulfillment of God's will in your heart and soul. It is not mere observance of the law (Matthew 5:20), but rather an expression of brotherly love (I John 3:10). A continuous desire for justice and moral perfection will lead one to a fulfillment of that desire - a transition and conversion to holiness. This is true for all the virtues - if you hunger and thirst for temperance, you will head towards the goal you have in mind.
>"Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful" (Luke 6:36). Mercy is the loving disposition towards those who suffer distress.
>Pope John Paul II wrote that the Beatitudes in a sense are a self-portrait of Christ! Moses (Exodus 33:20), John 1:18, and Paul (I Timothy 6:16) all say that no one can see God here on earth. God is hidden. But Jesus says the pure of heart shall see God! To be pure of heart means to be free of all selfish intentions and self-seeking desires.
>Jesus gives us peace - "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you" (John 14:27). Peace is a Fruit of the Spirit. Peacemakers not only live peaceful lives but also try to bring peace and friendship to others, and to preserve peace between God and man. But one cannot give another what one does not possess oneself. Prayer will bring peace into your heart. The Lord wants you first to be filled with the blessings of peace and then to pass it on to those who have need of it. By imitating God's love of man, the peacemakers become children of God.
>persecute
>But the Lord promised those that suffer for his sake will be rewarded with the Kingdom of Heaven!

>>3743
To answer you no. To lie is a sin.
You could do so, and pray for forgiveness. Or something.
Actually in better words you gotta go ask Jesus or God or an Angel.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
>>3742
Mudslimes lie to extract the weakness so they may kill them easier.
Jews entire books is about lies and word games, all the time.
Both say to enslave the goyim, aka animals, which means you. Slaughtering animals for them is a fine and a slap on the wrist for destroying property.
Needless to say, that's bad.
>>3748
Yes, you can prove it. Faith is KNOWING and there is ZERO DOUBT.

>t. occultist

>>3748
>you cant prove
Precisely. And yet, all this posturing

>>3758
I know, right? All this posturing from you godless soulless worthless atheist+ cocksuckers who can't fucking stand the idea that a functional society might need soft rules like "No sucking dicks or else you're disgusting" and "Slutty femalea are scum" in addition to hard rules like "pedophiles belong in jail". You're so desperate to view christianity as a silly and backwards infringement upon your personal freedoms, you'll deny its necessary societal role even if it means aiding and abetting invasive conquerors. If all atheists were exported to muslim nations, they'd get on their knees and beg for forgiveness and swear they'll never shit-talk people more righteous than them again.

>>3758
>>3759
I'm going to slap a bitch.
>All this posturing from you godless soulless worthless
I have my soul, I have seen your gods, I know exactly what I'm getting into and out of. So kindly fuck off and listen to your books and saints so you'll be a better person.
>If all atheists were exported to muslim nations, they'd get on their knees and beg for forgiveness and swear they'll never shit-talk people more righteous than them again.
I'm going to assume you also mean any other religion as well. Let me tell you. Hell hath no fury like a righteous man scorned. Ten years tops they'll be overturned and dashed to the wind forevermore.
Then you'll try to stick your dick in to 'save' the heretics. It's your god given laws.
>>3758
Bruh.
Remember ((())) is the first and foremost enemy of everything on and beyond Earth, no matter their size or shape.
Guess who offers up their children to (((them)))? Is option D all of the above, because few people get that offering up your child (can also be metaphorical) for defilement is also your own slavery.

>>3759
>>3760
>I have seen your gods
You've seen your own delusions
>((()))
I'm not the one who implied mass impaling was the correct response to questioning your so unquestionable beliefs. Ngl, but 'the enemy of my enemy dies second' comes to mind, but not to do with my mentality. That was (you) lot.
>I have a soul
Oh? Quantify it. Present it. Make evidence of it, other than conjecture (no, what 'the Bible says' is not evidence, btw). This 'knowing', how can you validate it but to state that you 'know'? How do you qualify this 'knowledge'? What litmus tests can it pass? Is there any actual evidence beyond your assertion, and some biased and circumstantial assertions?

>>3761
>what 'the Bible says' is not evidence,
I'm an occultist, doing spooky woo-woo shit. So what kind of evidence do you want?
As in I (my, myself and I. Which is my soul) could go about doing paranormal stuff if you want. Mind you that just and 'only' 'proves' the paranormal not necessarily that it's my soul or the simulation of sensations is the 'real thing'.
Which as always could be chalked up to a mere coincidence.
Then again you could do a summoning for the part of my soul that's on call for various shenanigans.
<Why post those verses though?
Doing things the right way is important. By which the demonstration is suitable for the time and place. If someone is desperate to go do whatever I'd like for them to at least do things in a way that is good and true. If their going to be a Christian they better well do it with excellence so they'll be a marvel to witness at the very least, maybe they'll do some good too.

Why do atheists have so much anger towards the idea that they might be the ones who need to disprove the evidence of God, when they have already made up their mind on the lack of any God?
Do Atheists not see the societal value of religion and its role in shaping societal values for the better? Do they not think that's worth going to church and pretending to praise the lord (or just shutting the fuck up for 10 minutes) instead of dedicating their lives to hounding and bullying and persecuting Christians however they can, no matter where they are found?
If you're reading this you've probably been fucked over by a Jew at least once. If you're reading this you or someone you know has probably been fucked over by a Muslim at least once.
You've seen for yourself how effortlessly the atheist community was pozzed and turned into feminist jewish "atheist+" bullshit. That's what happens when you lack a religious grounding for your morals during your formative years. Adults who say "I'm moral now so I don't need Jesus" aren't really adults, they're toddlers who deny the role living in a somewhat-Christian society during their formative years had on their lives and morality.

If your going to be serious you need to be serious about this. Being a Christian is no joke. It's serious, that does mean you can fun as per the gifts that God bestows.
This details the corruption and degeneration of peoples everywhere from the spiritual point of view. It lines up perfectly with our (or at least my) (((enemies))).
[YouTube] State of the Spiritual Battlefield ~ Fr. Ripperger [Embed]

[YouTube] Principles in Reading Sacred Scripture [Embed]
A primary preliminary for proper reading. I only found out, about 30 ish minutes ago.

>>3762
Admissible evidence would be a good start

>>3769
>asking for evidence and exposing bullshit rhetoric is shilling
Fuck off thrall

>>3771
>asking for evidence and exposing bullshit rhetoric is shilling
Well, your purpose is not to look for evidence evidence but to subvert Christians, after all you already made your mind.

>>3772
>you're not looking for evidence!
I'm literally asking for it
>trying to subvert Christians!
You sound just like the SPLC when defending 'poor oppressed jews' against those pesky antisemites. Label me all you want, your arguments are horseshit, else you'd have responded to this >>3762

>>3771
Are you considering that your world view is only fixed on the material world anon?
Perhaps that's the reason "Faith" is alien to you.
By the way, it is noteworthy how endless beings like you pick on Christians, but would never do the same on jews or muslims. Why it would be?

>>3774
Faith is conjectural. There is no objectivity to faith hence it is spurious. Refute that.
And please, show me the proselytizing muslims on mlpol, I'll be glad to give them a riw

>>3775
>Refute that.
Let me to derail you to the other side to the same coin >>>/vx/98688 →
Perhaps you may be more willing to accept the spiritual world when the dark side faces to you.
Also take a peak to >>3633 It is top notch stuff.

>>3775
So it bothers you that Christians speak here, on this website in particular?

>>3777
Checked.

>>3776
>Perhaps you may be more willing to accept the spiritual world when the dark side faces to you.
This.

>all this deflection
>>3776
>>3777
Completely immaterial. Golly misters, it's almost like when you cant defeat my argument you have to resort to rhetoric and evasion. (((Who))) does that sound like? But then Christianity IS a branch of the same tree as judaism so it's no small wonder.
>dark side faces you
Faith is no excuse for fear anon. If a man cant face the darkness of the world (and himself) with his own autonomy and integrity without resorting to mythological theoretical stories, he has no business attempting to sell his weakness to others under the dubious pretense of spreading auspices. Pious fraud is still fraud, even if its orator believes it entirely.

>>3775
>Faith is conjectural
>a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing
>reasoning that involves the formation of conclusions from incomplete evidence
>to believe especially on uncertain or tentative grounds
That's completely and utterly false if anyone has faith. Not the hogwash that's been peddled for ages where someone kinda sorta believes, that can be a stepping stone, maybe. You can have faith that the Natural Law is in effect. So gravity, it is certain, while gravity can get really weird and bizarre.
Even more concretely a circle is a circle, or a square is a square. And 3 plus 2 is 5.
Such is the science of the not quite material world(s).
That's faith (at least in a meaningful sense) that what is known is true and has no doubt, because it's True and there is Zero Doubt.
<The current issue is explaining why it's true and why there is zero doubt.
>>3768
So I've said what kind of evidence do you want. When and where? Ect.
>>3769
>>3771
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>>3779
There is one job is to provide explanation in such a way. Don't play footsy the heart of the matter lies in exploring deeper, because alot of people with highly refined grace and virtue have thought about it. Doesn't mean they're right, but it does mean it's been thought about. In such a way that learning from those techniques alone is useful.
>>3780
They understand that their wisdom comes from the fear of god. And the counter offer of application how to live well and good in all lives. That the blindness of man make comprehending such mysteries can only be done through the intellect that is holy. At least in such of that belief.
So I won't steal their stage.

>>3782
I already told you, admissible evidence would be a good start. Or how about empirical evidence? A square has very clearly defined and measurable attributes, namely 4 equal length sides and 4 90 degree angles. A circle is very clearly defined with measurable attributes, consisting of a constant curvature, and a consistent radius. It's plainly evident and measurable, should the individual wish to test the findings; faith doesnt apply.
>Truth and Zero doubt
Truth is not subjective and the absence of doubt is not evidence of truth. Absence of doubt is a result of EITHER comprehension of empirical evidence OR personal (authoritarian) conviction. Plenty of people have no doubt that the earth is flat. Plenty of people have no doubt that magical niggers can steal penises with curses. Absence of doubt does not meet any objective requirements for evidence, and the attempt to suggest otherwise is flaccid at best.

>>3784
>I already told you, admissible evidence would be a good start.
Based upon what criterion? Who's to say what's admissible and what's not?

>Or how about empirical evidence? A square has very clearly defined and measurable attributes, namely 4 equal length sides and 4 90 degree angles. A circle is very clearly defined with measurable attributes, consisting of a constant curvature, and a consistent radius. It's plainly evident and measurable, should the individual wish to test the findings; faith doesnt apply.
That's not what's called empirical evidence. IIRC that's geometrical knowledge based upon mathematical proofs that themselves rest on agreed upon axioms of mathematics and logic.

>Truth is not subjective and the absence of doubt is not evidence of truth. Absence of doubt is a result of EITHER comprehension of empirical evidence OR personal (authoritarian) conviction.
A bold set of claims. Can you prove them?

>Plenty of people have no doubt that the earth is flat. Plenty of people have no doubt that magical niggers can steal penises with curses.
Who's to say it's not, and that they don't? All that evidence, what if it's just an illusion? What if someone told you something that was untrue? What if your senses and faculties are failing you? What if it's all just a simulation, and the real world is beyond our comprehension?

>Absence of doubt does not meet any objective requirements for evidence
As in a deductive proof? Seems we're a long way from that, friend. Besides, people don't change their minds based upon intellect as a general rule, that's been proven via empirical methods. It's really got more to do with intuition and how someone feels. Anything else and people just start to talk past one another. See picrelated if you would like to read up more.

>and the attempt to suggest otherwise is flaccid at best.
Sincerely, would you rather it be hard?

>>3784
Right that's why Faith is Truth AND Zero Doubt. Two separate categories. In one.
Now time for an experiment because if I just provide my findings that wouldn't be sufficient. The process though can have different means, so ceremonial is technically close but lacks the heart of the matter and isn't even the point...
Okay how about this
>if the order of seemingly inane movements of body, physical stuffs, (or spiritual stuffs), care, and thought are done in the correct way, then a repeatable result will be resulted barring outside influences or unaccounted factors.
>>>/vx/98688 →
Like all science you'll want saftey procedures first and for most. Or wing it like inventors... but the chance of something going horribly wrong increases alot. Having somesome who knows what they're doing would be good to have on standby, obtaining such help may take time.
If the safety (is too stifling it might not happen, if it could it would when all conditions are met. When ever and where ever.) and prerequisite materials and previous necessities are not there, that would make obtaining the desired truthful result difficult.
Such as using the large Hadron Collider, but using your body to catch the incredibly fast subatomic particles. You might be fine someone did that before.
So the means of detection is you, and something else material. Spiritual sense can be aquired or used as well.
>>>/vx/131622 →
My assertion is that I've seen my soul, and that you could summon a fraction of mine so you have evidence.
More importantly you have your soul.
So safety procedures.
Clean and clear work area.
Magic (or prayer, or will whatever) is the metaphorical paper.
The steps to be taken ready.
You do the thing.
Stuff happens.
Was the hypothesis sufficient? Did you find something new or previously unknown?

Now that you have a proverbial piece of paper and it's just sitting there menacingly doing nothing. You have to put it into action or just watch it.
Such as poking it (to determine various qualities and quantities), or fold it into a paper air plane.
Folding a terrible quality paper airplane would be pretty disappointing. If your going to be just poking the paper and examining it that'll be quite interesting. If you easily push it about and say it's not really there because it offers no resistance is a falsehood. If you can't detect it's being pushed about then you may have a problem or everything is going as expected.
So instead of paper per se, one might choose to have a significantly weighted object to poke and prod.
While this doesn't seem all that scientific this is more of the discovery phase. To determine the existence even if that is still up for debate at this stage.
Then one can go do stuff. Which is based on personal experiments, finding other's notes on their experiments, and importantly seeing it in action (or not) around you.
Remember safety and awareness, know the risks and what is possible.

Effective way to remove (if god commands them to stay, at least it'll irritate them) diabolic influence and to order yourself.
[YouTube] Fr Ripperger: "Demons HATE Gregorian Chant!" - Interview w/ an Exorcist [Embed]

[YouTube] Saint Benedict Medals (All about them and how to get them properly exorcised) [Embed]
'Member it ain't 'magic' it's God's command.
The whole point I'm even going this far, besides personal interest and insights in this kind of material, is that there are hostile forces and I'd quite like for friens to be safe and sound.

Demon worshippers are faggots

>>3788
Checked.

>>3787
>Faith and Zero Doubt
So, faith (conviction) and zero doubt (conviction). Congratulations, that's rationalized conviction. Conviction is not an argument, nor is it evidence of truth. Evidence doesnt require faith or interpretation, evidence is evident, hence the term. Thanks for the (you)s, but if evidence is insufficient to made evident a particular thing to a person who is not pre-conditioned/predisposed to an idea, then it's simply authoritarianism.
While I'm not an atheist (atheists are just as convicted to their ideology as you lot), this video will help to articulate some of the issues with trying to argue rhetorically (because if you're not using evidence, and your conclusions are based on interpretation, its rhetoric) when the opponent is arguing logically.
Not all my arguments are logical, but my insistence that if the Bible (not exclusively) is true, there will be evidence to support the conclusion IS

[YouTube] 4 Mistakes Theists Make When Trying to Convert Atheists [Embed]

>>3794
Still looking for an angle. Huh?

>>3795
No, I'm looking for evidence

>>3796
I would suppose there's none to be given, mate. A middle ground just doesn't appear to be present here.