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The listing for a paladin's mount refer to the creature being substantially better than a 'normal' hoers or mount, alluding to how a paladin's mount is exceptional even for its species.
Tracy is already plenty exceptional
>>23190That's not what the text says. The text says
>Paladin’s Mount Basics: Use the base statistics for a creature of the mount’s kind, but make changes to take into account the attributes and characteristics summarized on the table and described below.>Bonus HD: Extra eight-sided (d8) Hit Dice, each of which gains a Constitution modifier, as normal. Extra Hit Dice improve the mount’s base attack and base save bonuses. A special mount’s base attack bonus is equal to that of a cleric of a level equal to the mount’s HD. A mount has good Fortitude and Reflex saves (treat it as a character whose level equals the animal’s HD). The mount gains additional skill points or feats for bonus HD as normal for advancing a monster’s Hit Dice.>Natural Armor Adj.: The number on the table is an improvement to the mount’s existing natural armor bonus.>Str Adj.: Add this figure to the mount’s Strength score. >>23191Yes, but you're talking about a 16HD character, who already has a plethora of skills, attributes, and both standard and non-standard buffs. Its a little late to expect me to go 100% by the book.
>>23186Can she at least get the full stats of her hybrid form (warhorse)?
>>23193S16, D16, C13, W9, I13, Ch11
>>23192Just make the difference between being a mount and not being a mount pretty clearly large so I have some bargaining power
Also, for the record, could we at some point establish the traits of ponies as a formal race? Tracy isn't exactly an iconic example of a normal pony (being borderline semi-anthro), but there may be more characters who want to play as ponies.
In stature, they seem similar to halflings; although they also have several item-usage limitations, and a non-humanoid build. I've been looking at traits of halflings, horses, and even centaurs trying to figure out a decent conjecture of their racial traits, but I'm not really experienced in designing races.
>>23195Tracy's transformed stats. They're based on her existing scores vs. Light Warhorse
>>23197Hmmm. This is a good point.
>>23198>Light WarhorseCan I just go with the regular Warhorse stats, and reverse the Int and Wis? She's not going to be doing any Assassinations in that form.
>>23199I'm not seeing a 'regular' warhorse listed, I have "Light" and "Heavy". I also have "Warpony".
>>23200I'd prefer Heavy, but the point being was that both warhorse varieties have 13 Wis.
>>23202Now here's the big question. Note, I haven't said no, but first answer this:
Why should I?
>>23205Trade? What are you talking about?
>>23204...Because it would make us both very happy, and we'd greatly appreciate it?
>>23207This was your most compelling argument, however I'm unconvinced. Tracy is already a walking haxxor ball of murder who catches fire from time to time so I'm really not seeing the immediate necessity desu, but I'll look into it as something that can be progressed toward.
>>23210AllI want is to end this damned constant cold war between myself and Tracy's faggot. This has thus far proved impossible, because I don't have anything to give him that he wants, so there's no real benefit to coopoeration over competition. All he wants is to add on buffs, spells, ranks, and other things onto his character like M.A. Larson adding wings onto Twilight. But almost nothing else interests him.
Paladin's Mount is the biggest set of wings he could put on that character. While remaining entirely within D&D canon. It gives buffs worth more than several classes. Even if it were nerfed and half of the powers were taken away, it would still be worth more than several magical items. But all of this would go to him
if I gave it to him. That is to say
if I want to. And if we follow the actual requirements of the class, it would allow me to exercise some degree of control through "Call Mount" and "Empathic Link." Even with those nerfed to a degree it's useful. And all of the benefits can be taken away, at least I think, by "releasing the mount from service." I would finally have the necessary carrot for cooperation.
>>23210>>23213Just nerf the base form (for example, a nightmare has vastly less than 16 hit die. like 6 or 9) but keep the Mount buffs, or at least some of them, so that way it even out
>>23214NPC Cauchemar has 15 hit die. Just let her be in full NPC Cauchemar form, but only while being ridden, then treat that as the Mount's dice increase instead.It would make for an insane Cavalry charge, during boss fights with a whole army of NPCs to push through.
>>23215>Cauchemar only when mountedAnd that is a perfect story-inclusive, customized explnation as to why and how. Alright, now I'm convinced.
>>23215>>23216Well... If we say that she's a nightmare but with mount buffs, then she'd be superior in several regards to a cauchemar, most clearly in AC and having the benefit of improved evasion like that ring you wanted. But she'd be much weaker in strength and a few other regards.
I think it would be more balanced because it would allow her to maintain the buffs while not being ridden - like when we have many enemies and it makes it easier to split up after different targets - but neither would she be extremely strong when both are together attacking an extremely strong antagonist, like a player character (cough, leader of the drow, cough) or a dragon, or a tarrasque
>>23216Just give me Call Mount with reasonable limits
>>23217It's good that way. In that form, she can't really use most of her rogue skills, use a bow, dual wield, or perform effective sneak attacks anyway; due to her build. It's really best for intense fights with large targets or multiple enemies, or just quickly bulldozing her way out of trouble to flee when stealth fails.
>>23223I actually had a different use of the trips in mind
>>23221Which is good this way? Cauchmare when riddent or Paladin's Mount Nightmare any time in Nightmare form?
I think Tracy should have Command Powers even in pony form, since, well, she'd still be an equine.
>>23219You wanted her to be an extra planar entity...
>>23221On one condition. You both have to post "Fusion Dance" for it to work.
kidding >>23224The way I interpret it, is by becoming a paladin's mount, she gains the command and summon-able powers, and she only transforms (Full Cauchemar, with the flaming and smoke n shit) when ridden
>>23226That works. So long as Tracy's faggot is fine fighting like a rogue when being ridden is unnecessary
>>23224My point was for her only to be able to fully transform in while being ridden.
Her incomplete transformation, as to my knowledge, has a limited number of rounds per day, has nerfed stats, and causes intense fatigue and starvation afterwards.
>>23225I'll think of something funnier.
>>23228Basically, just 1/day Rage with a fancy makeover.
"Can I use coma-Torcuil as a weapon? Kind of like how Jackie Chan fights with a ladder?"
"I mean I can always throw him in the entertron if I break him,...."
Thez picks up Torcuil and slings him over her shoulder. <whoooof>
By the way, the bazaar is still going on.
>>23234Tracy continues walking deeper and deeper into the depths of the bazaar, looking for the spookiest and edgiest merchandise to match her tastes.
What's it look like?
>>23234Trumpaladin is meeting a bald guy
>>23235Its rows and rows of booths and tabled areas. Its like a flea market except fantasy RP setting.
>>23236Not sure what you mean by that
>>23237This
>>23026 was the last post when he went into the weapons and armor shop
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>>23237The puts on her hood to avoid attracting unwanted attention, and checks out some of the stands and shopkeeps.