/sp/ - Football

>>24834
Love mares for the sake of mares, you don't need anyone else

>>24794
The pedo thread got quickly taken over, supposed to be a literal exposing, counter thread as if the PCL had anything to post, turns out it has clarified more than an attempt at harming the discord users.

‘‘Yes /mlpol/ will be offended and will not take time to check anything, they won''tt read the logs or the cherrypicked screencaps’’

Summaryanon here.
https://ponepaste.org/9926
https://ponepaste.org/10241
So, the last reply left here was on June 14th, huh? Quite some time has passed (nearly two months), with basically nothing major happening at all. I am reminded of the few initial concerns (ones which followed us throughout the entirety of this drama, in fact) that DataBytes, the PCL, and the rest of the clique will simply... stop. In order for conflict to continue, there has to be "fuel". In the beginning, we had plenty of it: nearly each day, some new, intriguing information would come out, responses and counter-responses would be made, even the occasional art or fic would be posted. Alas, for quite some time now, all that we've been left with is merely watching FimFetch's Patreon slowly recover. At the very best, we get to see some shenanigans from those anti-paedophile-thread anons or an off-hand mention lamenting the state of things. Many have let go, went off to other ventures, and just... forgot about it all.

This... "forgetting". As I wrote up not only this post, but also the pastes, I realised just how much 2 months is in internet discourse. And it's not just forgetting: it's also making things up out of nowhere, these "false", or perhaps "corrupted" memories. For example: I remember there being a semi-concrete number of members that were necessary in order for one to join the PCL. I did not find it. Those initial concerns I mentioned? Could not precisely find them, but I'm confident they exist. I remember the report channel being archived: alas, I could only find the scam report and report discussion ones. I've forgotten the time zones used across various sites. At this point, I'm not sure if I can say with confidence which of the posts here or on 4chan were mine (I didn't sign all of them, after all, kek), and which were by other people.

Regardless, this will not be over for as long as we do not let it be over. The archives that we have still are likely to contain incriminating information, and it's only a matter of time before someone looks into them. The silence on the PCL's behalf, and that on DataBytes clique's, won't last forever. Eventually, someone will speak up. If not them, then a wistleblower or some other associate.

Anyway, sorry for the Reddit spacing (I think it makes my ramblings just a bit more readable) and if that was too melodramatic. Though sparse, some things did happen over the span of this thread's inactivity. I'll just quote from the new summary paste:
>[06/11/24(Tue)21:29:11 UTC] A new thread gets posted on /mlpol/ about a certain incident on /mlp/ involving a deceased minor, which is outside the scope of this summary. The /mlpol/ thread has the same writing style and tone as the paedophilia thread, which, alongside the subject matter, shows a highly probable connection between the two. Though it didn't devolve into utter chaos, it still failed to produce any particularly important results on either side of the conflict, and ultimately went nowhere, despite a (relatively) decent-enough start. The last post on it was made on 06/14/24(Fri)14:57:21 UTC, making it last for just three days.
>[07/02/24(Tue)21:32:12 UTC] After a long time of non-existing, despite various notable occurrences happening (e.g. NHNB going down, new Derpibooru policy, the Ponybooru fiasco...), the Fan Site Alternative Thread goes back up. Updates on Foalfetch development are easily accessable once more!
>[07/30/24(Tue)23:04:26 UTC] A new paste is published here by yours truly on rebutting the claims made in the Foalcon Advisory's current text, i.e. the "Public Notice".

There was also an update to the paste that I did not inform this thread of, but you can find the changes made then on the Fan Site Alternative Thread.
/mlpol/ thread in question: https://mlpol.net/sp/24805
New Fan Site Alternative Thread: https://boards.4chan.org/mlp/thread/41203976
New paste/rebuttal: https://ponepaste.org/10241 (also linked in the beginning of this post)

In other news: I finally discovered/understood what the "pastedown" option in Ponepaste is and how it works. I've experimented a bit with applying it to the Public Notice rebuttal, but, to be honest, I prefer the way it currently stands. With that said, for quite some time now, I've had this idea of a "bronydom/horsefuckery glossary", and I think pastedown would be a rather good fit for it (of course, a separate, independent Wiktionary-like site would perhaps be even better, but I don't really have the resources or the know-how to run it).

>>24884
Since DataByte made his list private I suspect whatever is still going on is going on behind closed doors now.

>>24885
Given how The List is still (as far as we know) actively developed, there probably is, yeah.
On a side note, spotted two small spelling/copying/writing/whatever mistakes in the OTPN (On the [so-called] Public Notice, that's how I'll shorten it from now on), and fixed them. Also clarified the TODO part at the end.
If anyone sees any other spelling mistakes, or otherwise has suggestions that are not already planned (see TODO at the end of the OTPN), do inform about them.

so, we are approaching 6 months since the list leaked and it feels like the PCL won... Databyte, Daring and PhoenixFire have seemingly gotten away with it scot free

>>24990
Wow, how incentivising

>>24991
well, given that Databyte and Daring are still seemingly still running the list now behind closed doors and Phoenix ruling the roost ever in EQD, can you really blame me for coming to the conclusion that they won?

>>24994
What would your preferred outcome be?

>>24885
What did he won? Nothing. Unless being ridiculed, doxed, having his ass stalked by /mlp/, 8ch, farmers and oldfags I wonder who in his right mind could call this a win.

>>24990
>>24994
The drama has died down because there's only so long you can expect people to sustain interest in something like this, but I hardly think the PCL "won."

What this whole thing basically proved is that the pony fandom is fracturing along the same fault lines as everything else in Western society, in that on the one hand you have nor/mlp/eople who just want to enjoy what they enjoy and otherwise be left alone, and on the other you have this neo-puritan cult of performative morality that appeals to busybodies and status-seekers. Unsurprisingly, the latter is full of narcissists and mental defectives who practice a different set of rules behind closed doors than what they preach to the world.

In the end, I think what happened is exactly what should have happened. DataByte and his cronies were exposed and publicly humiliated, which is what that sort of person fears more than anything else, and an alternative to FimFetch was created. It's the same as with the derpibooru drama: a circlejerk made up of self-aggrandizing jackoffs grew too accustomed to the idea of themselves as gatekeepers of an essential service, and started censoring content against the wishes of the fan community they purported to serve. Fans and artists flipped them off, and then went off and made their own boorus with blackjack and hookers. What it proves is that no service is "essential" unless it's providing something of actual value; as soon as it starts gatekeeping or censoring content, it is no longer essential. It also proves that since it's honestly not that fucking hard to slap a website together these days, any "essential" service can be independently replaced at the drop of a dime. FoalFetch was up and running within a few days of the "List" drama breaking.

>Databyte and Daring are still seemingly still running the list now behind closed doors
Who cares? Let them. I don't give a fuck if a couple of my alts are on some faggot's private shitlist and neither should you. These guys have been publicly humiliated, and they've lost whatever relevance and goodwill they might have had within the fandom, that's punishment enough. Hopefully they at least enjoyed the pizza.

If they still want to run their private servers and go around calling themselves "community leaders" there's not much anyone can do to stop them, but they only have as much power as the community is willing to give them. If derpibooru is pozzed, use ponerpics. If FimFetch is pozzed, use FoalFetch. If Trotcon is pozzed, go to MareFair. Decentralization is your friend.

>Phoenix ruling the roost ever in EQD
Does anyone even still give a fuck about EQD?

>>24999
I was looking for the image "a mentally retarded man on death row" acting like a winner. If ever the PCL believe he won anything. Like it's a game; we all well know this is not, it is a potential defamation case and be glad that the community is infinitely kind, others would have sued the owner of this site for false claims.
They know they fucked up and agreed to keep the list private.
So yeah they reap what they sow. DB still believe in his thing but started to lock things and delete info (too late) and still lurks around places like Kiwifarms monitoring threads pertaining to animal control and fandom drama. Spoilers: it does not happens here, they should know it. They have their methods, we have ours, the boomers around him on social networks by example.

>>24999
Phoenix's server, while it's the official EqD server, is not the same thing as EqD itself. EqD itself seems to be fine even with saucy stuff about minors, but Phoenix's server has supposedly gone into a mode similar to Databyte's Bronytales now. From my sources, this runs counter to what Phoenix even truly wants, so is probably his underlings being swept up by Databyte's influence.
All in all, it's a small corner of the fandom. The time to worry would be if these asshats start to use their pull to get con organizers to use the list.

PonePaste needs polish in the "BRIEFED VERSION":
"It is lead by DataBytes." DataByte, no s. This is an issue in several places.
"he publishes a report" They didn't intentionally publish publicly, as stupid as that is. They seriously thought just not linking it publicly meant it wouldn't be found.
"All of the users listed in this document are either involved in some way with the consumption, creation, promotion, and/or distribution of material that sexualizes children, or have shown in some capacity to not be safe to have in a server with minors." Um...did DataByte write this? The List explicitly covers things beyond foalcon itself, and even has artists listed for their work being edited into foalcon. And the last sentence is just taking their side, as if Imalou and Selenophile are known sexual predators, not just artists, for being on the list.
"the list created by the PCL is different then the one of DataBytes" PCL had no single list, as the next line clarifies (the brief summary really shouldn't need later lines to clarify false statements in prior ones). 'Then' should be 'then', and the grammar is bizarre. It should probably be "PCL's report listings are not the same as the FiMfetch list".
"DataBytes's patreon gets temporarily suspended." I'm pretty sure he was permabanned on FiMfiction too, a much bigger deal.

>>25035
Summaryanon here.
>DataByte, no s
Writing it as Databytes is a conscious decision. And it's not "several places", it's more like "everywhere outside of quotes or explanations". I'm not sure exactly why I write it like that (over half a year has passed since the paste was initially posted, my memory's kinda fuzzy), but I don't think it's without reason.
>"he publishes a report"
Wording changed in that section, but still kept on what is currently line 82.
With that said, keep in mind that there's some debate whether or not The List was actually intended to be published public at one point or another (see https://www.fimfiction.net/group/12/clopfics/thread/536499/fimfetch-owner-declares-jihad-on-foalcon-doxes-hundreds-of-users#comment/7961779 , more specifically, HK-FortySeven's note on the "general release" off-hand comment in the original text of The List)
>Um...did DataByte write this?
Yes, there's a "To quote:" before this line, which itself is in greentext to indicate that it is a quote.
>The List explicitly covers things beyond foalcon itself, and even has artists listed for their work being edited into foalcon. And the last sentence is just taking their side, as if Imalou and Selenophile are known sexual predators, not just artists, for being on the list.
The line immediately after this reads: "The methodology used in the report is deeply flawed, essentially equating to a witch hunt". What you say is true, and examples are shown throughout the summary (my favourite one is >get in The List for SPONGEBOB COPYPASTA)
> PCL had no single list, as the next line clarifies (the brief summary really shouldn't need later lines to clarify false statements in prior ones).
Fair enough. Wording changed, lines merged.
>'Then' should be 'then'
Kek. I get what you mean, fixed.
>grammar is bizarre. It should probably be "PCL's report listings are not the same as the FiMfetch list".
ESLbros...
I'll keep things as is for now (with then corrected to than, of course), as it doesn't sound that off to me.
>I'm pretty sure he was permabanned on FiMfiction too, a much bigger deal.
FimFetch doesn't show ads, so Patreon is the only way (besides paying out of pocket) that it stays afloat; having FimFetch's only real source of income being taken away is, at least I'd say, more important than having an obscure barely-active personal account banned.

I'd write more, but it's late here, so I'll prob' update the summary as a whole (since there were in fact new, albeit sparse events that happened since the summary was last updated, including a new story on FimFiction IIRC), tomorrow.