/sp/ - Football

>"I hate the list, I wish I never let DataByte on my server to make the list, you don't like the list either? Proof we need the list and you should be on the list and lists work"
I definitely think PhoenixFaggot should be on there.

>>23969
not actual quote btw I meant to do ' and ' but it's paraphrasing this >>23557

>>23969
>>23970
Let's be happy that Phoenix got "knocked off" the list then, yeah? At least we don't have to "look into that" anymore.

>>23973
Look like someone is only spamming the list in any group he can

>>23972
I honestly think this might be a hacked account by antis, it doesn't make sense that they've been writing foalcon their whole time on fimfiction then all of a sudden after a month of inactivity they are spamming the foalcon advisory link in every group

>>23975
As a listee I will say I'm pretty sure one of these niggers tried to break into my email a while back, they want to literally go committing actual fucking felonies to enforce their opinions about legal foalcon apparently. If you are on the list I would advise changing your passwords to be long as fuck and complicated and not reusing them. It's not the only thing they tried either, and all I have on the list is faves on Derpi so. If it wasn't them it was literally right before this dropped and I've never dealt with such things before.

>>23975
This, especially since the guy himself is on the list for writing foalcon.

>>23975
They would've for sure unpublished his stories tho.

>>23975
The easiest explanation is that he's just an idiot.

>>23979
If it is this then my experiences may have been unrelated, but the hard part is telling completely genuine retards apart from the people who made the list.

I guess the list makers are a little more dysgenic than the average literal retard.

>>23981
They're antis, it's par for the course.

>>23982
Great minds
>>23821

So we have another abuse report, this time for "child pornography." He reported >>23834 as "child pornography," and added "literal site discussing the merits of CSAM."

He is blatantly filing false reports to Cloudflare and I have told the server hosts such.

>>23986
Neat

>>23986
Was there an image on the post that's now gone?

>>23989
Some people were fucking around in the comments section of Phoenix's latest video

>>23989
A screencap of comments on a yt video.

Or as the kids these days call it, child porn.

>>23991
Zoomer slang is getting harder and harder to keep up with.

>>23834
>>23986
what an asshole

Summaryanon's awake again.
>Summary of what happened recently
-Claims spread around 4chan that the PCL had their own list, on which DataBytes's was possibly based on; these claims turned out to be false.
-It turns out that barely anyone had read the chatlogs.
-Anons start going through them, and begin constructing their own list, OUR list. It includes "the ones most complicit in the drama from the PCL's side and those who abide by DataBytes's list"
-4chan thread reaches bump limit, new one created.
-New mascot proposal for FoalFetch! (with an anon filly variant) https://i.4cdn.org/mlp/1712182504156180.png
-Someone spams Foalcon Advisory in various other groups on FimFiction, probably to spread the message. The main discourse still takes place in the original clopfics group thread, though.
-Speculation that said someone's account was hacked.
-Another report to /mlpol/, wherein a doxxing image was somehow called child pornography.

>>23989
It was a screenshot of the comment section under one the videos on PhoenixFire's YT channel. The comments went something like "Hi, [REDACTED NAME AND SURNAME], how's life in [REDACTED CITY, COUNTRY]? Did you enjoy the pizza?"

>>23994
>Claims spread around 4chan that the PCL had their own list, on which DataBytes's was possibly based on; these claims turned out to be false.
The theory was that Databyte trawled through their reports channel as one of his sources. Considering he included people in his list for "transphobia" It is very likely, since that was one of the things that was confirmed to have got you in there.

>>23995
While it's true that the report/report discussion was probably used for making The List, there was indeed a misinterpretation about those channels, stating that they were a list of some kind. See >>23856 as an example of that.

>>23993
so that's how she made Rainbow's Gala dress 20% cooler

>>24000
>Last Known Username: milliesplayhouse#7146
>Racism/transphobia, 2nd hand report of cp + grooming, could not verify
>Verified third party
>https://fimfetch.net/foalcon-advisory/img/milliesplayhouse_2023-01-11.png
Only instance I could find on the current list.

>>24001
>Verified by a third party rando to the first party morality police shadow cabal
It hasn't stopped making me laugh since the list dropped.

And yet another report, this time claiming harassment. His one linked post 404’ed, as per usual, but if we assume he made a typographical error, then he meant to report this post >>23987

!!BREAKING NEWS!!
DataBytes is no longer following Shino on Deviantart!
https://www.deviantart.com/databytebrony/about#watching
IIRC, he used to follow 144 accounts there, so another 3 were also unfollowed.
(I don't recall that well, though)

Thoughts?

>>24001
Having a discriminator is how you can tell it was scraped off the PedoCL's reports list - since by now discord got rid of them entirely.

There's also "calling teachers pedophiles" right above it mentioned as if it's somehow inherently wrong - despite pedophiles being attracted to anything that involves working with children by definition.
>>24004
Running never helps.
>>24003
Just imagine him, sitting in the dark room, furiously mashing at keyboard typing up that report (with his right hand, of course, his eyes constantly glancing at his second screen full of Scootaloos).

>>24004
He seems to care too much about something so small huh.

>>23987
How could you?

>>24003
they opened Pandora's box and now they are desperately trying to put the lid back on the shit storm they unleashed LOL

I wonder if he's going to stop following HeavyMetalBronyYeah since he also likes foalcon.

>>23986
>He reported >>23834 as "child pornography," and added "literal site discussing the merits of CSAM."
I feel like filing false CP reports is probably against the law, but I don't actually know.

>>24003
Double Neat.

Or should I say Neet?

>>24004
Wow, look at him panic deleting his history like he has something to hide while I continue favoriting even more foalcon on my public as fuck Derpibooru account. Really liking the fact he chose to invite me to this party despite being as irrelevant as you can be on this list, now I can make observations about his behavior as he DFEs his shit and it changes nothing because we already knew.
>>24006
Is Scootaloo really that small? She seems like the average sized chicken to me.
>>24008
It makes sense, Pandora's box was opened by a woman, DataByte is a dickless eunuch cuck retard.

Paste updated! https://ponepaste.org/9926
Besides that, here's a rather interesting excerpt I found in the Rules channel.
>[9/25/2022 10:32 AM] allysterblack6145
>Howdy yall, as some of ya are well aware I have been out of commission for a short while. My grandpa passed last month and unfortunately things happened to only get worse. However, things are finally getting cleared up and I wanted to take a second to stop by here and address the group for feedback. So far it seems like this place has been able to fill its role as intended and hopefully we have been able to do better by those we are looking after as a result. Since some of yall have had time though, if there is something in this chat that you feel is unhelpful, or there is something that isn't in this chat that you feel like should be included, then please let us know. I really want to thank everyone who has been around to help one another out and I'm beyond proud we have so many people here who give a damn about this community.

>With all of that being said I do however need to address something more serious now. Firstly just a small addition to phoenix's very comprehensive report from yesterday.... When looking at Lovely's PCL and other "moderation groups" one of the larger things I identified are the feelings of people outside of them. Many see these groups as secret chats to control or take advantage, or as global ban lists that are followed without logic or reason. These concerns were noticed and I wanted to ensure we avoided that here. What had occurred with "Sugar" is a great example of why people are weary of these chats so I really want everyone to be aware of this. Just because a report is posted here, even with "proof" does not mean that things are as they seem, and by following everything that comes through this chat and banning the names you see could lead to much bigger, and unnecessary issues in the future.

>Obviously I am not saying to not take reports seriously, just please be aware that people have mixed feelings about this sort of thing and this is a good teaching point to show why.

>[9/25/2022 10:32 AM] allysterblack6145
>Finally here I want to wrap up with chat expectations. Just like I said before, when looking to pull this together I looked to many other examples of systems in place so that I might have a better understanding of what will work, and what will not. Ya know one of the biggest things to tank these chats almost every time? Casual messaging. Ya know why? Shit talking. Crazy right?

>When expectations were set to remain on point with conversations and to be as accurate as possible, this was done to PROTECT everyone. Keep everyone safe, ensure you are reporting in ways that are detailed and respectful, and helping other most in ways that are the same.

>Coming back from my RL situation and going through logs has been disappointing I am not going to lie. There are quite a few people in here who insist on carrying on casual conversations and even making highly inappropriate jabs or comments despite other users trying to keep the channel on track. I apologize for not being around to moderate this guys but c'mon. I need to make it very clear, everything you say on the internet has a chance of sticking around. All it takes it one single comment for you to damage what we are trying to do here. If even one person loses faith in this system or finds it dangerous due to how we conduct ourselves then it is a failure. A really stupid simple one.

>We are all humans right? Most people have shitty things to say about others from time to time, I know I do. But this is not and will not be the place for it. Period. That shit is done understood? We all should be more than aware of how inappropriate that is and the time for excuses is over, I will be removing you and informing your mod teams moving forward if you keep it up.

>[9/25/2022 10:32 AM] allysterblack6145
>NOW, sorry about all that guys, I meant just to do the feedback part at the front there and to let yall know why I have been afk a lot here. But... obviously things needed addressing. Beyond that everyone is doing a really incredible job and on Behalf of EqD I must say that these reports and the advice shared around from time to time have been an invaluable part of our team. Despite being so busy recently I can still see that taking place within my moderation team, so really thanks yall and keep it up!

>>23987
Dude, that's just going too far.

>>24013
In other words...
>I let a while bunch of power hungry mods make reports that are unverifiable
>I do not moderate my own moderator secret group
>I know my group of secret moderators are bad at their job and make false or misleading reports
>I know if any plebs found out about our secret moderators they would eat us alive
>I will continue doing exactly what I have been doing until this inevitably blows up

But the most important reveal is that there are additional groups like PCL. This cannot stand

>>24015
Reads to me as a past tense, regarding the other group(s). But concerning nonetheless.

>>23829
having read through all the logs, i can see that while Zat and Marsh were present in the server, their doesn't seem to be much in the way of them reporting users, more so just them hanging out with the other mods

>>24017
atleast, from my perspective

>>24017
We know from the previous 4chan thread that they abide by the Foalcon Advisory. They may have not contributed much to reports, but they do follow The List.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/40961148/#q40966228

>>24019
thats because their server has a rule against MAPs, and they deemed the user they banned to be a MAP

>>24020
What user was banned, btw?

>>24021
>>23581
check image 2

>>24022
Then I'd just say that's poor decision making, but what do I know...
Anons of the thread in general, what do you think? Should we cross them off our list or keep them?

>>24023
while the user in question is only quilty of faving and uploading foalcon onto derpibooru, it doesn't mean they're they should be allowed in a server with many children in it

>>24023
Put everyone on the list with no regard for what they did like they did to everyone else, fuck them for closing their server all at once to shut down the investigation and distribute guilt evenly. They should be made an example of in the community that we don't need faggy secret self-selected morality despots who are also all hypocritical as fuck as an aside. Doubtlessly, for merely enjoying pony in the first place, there are far more people who want worse for them than what they did to listed anons. Nonetheless they think they are in a position to tell everyone what to do, fuck them. Foalcon is based, jannies are sometimes based, third party busybodies trying to force all of humanity to comply with their arbitrary self-righteous demands are fucking pathetic.

>>24025
I only said the jannies are sometimes based thing so the local jannies don't janny me btw it was a lie.

>>24025
This.

>>24020
Their use of "MAPs" in that rule covers anyone looking at foalcon. It's literally written to use PCL's reports list, plus Databyte and Daring's list, as banlists. Pure thought police.

>>24024
Make sure to share your leftover pizza with your caged dog in between jacking it to Scootaloo's tight vagoo.

>>24025
I understand the rage, but let's not go down to their level. If we follow through with this, they'd just rejoice that the EEEBIL neo-nazi MAPs are harassing the golly-good innocent "protectors" of the community, we'd be no better than them, and we'd gain very little, if anything at all. Do not give them fuel for the fire. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

By picking our targets selectively, we will not only gain a moral victory over them, but we might be able to do something productive with the remaining ones. Certain aspects of the PCL, like keeping track of scammers, could be of much use to us and the community as a whole. The PCL, as we've seen, had many problems, including the cult-like secrecy, "casual messaging", poor leadership, ect., which caused it to end up in the state it is now. But who's to say that it can't be reformed? I propose some of the following:
>Make the PCL semi-public: everyone can see the messages, but only the moderators of the servers can write in it.
>Make them publish (bi-)weekly reports of their actions, so that everyone will be aware of what they are doing.
>Prevent any off-topic or casual conversations.
>Form an audit commission of sorts to keep them in check.
>Instate actually competent leadership.

We will, in fact, make an example of some members of the PCL: DataBytes, for even having the audacity to think going against the main point of your site is somehow a good idea, and for creating the list; PhoenixFire, for his incompetent leadership and failure to adequately handle the situation; DaringShephard, for possibly helping make the list, complying it, and even defending it; all the moderators who defended its legitimacy... Some others might get punished too if "juicy" things get found in the chatlogs. Point is, there are many people to blame, and they deserve to be punished. But not everyone.

Besides all that, consider two things:
1. We still have no full list of the PCL's members.
2. Was shutting down the server a decision they all agreed on?

>>24022
Image 3 is the most important, literally them deciding that merely liking foalcon gets you the boot.
If they didn't contribute to the foalcon list, it's only because they're generally lazy awful fucks who just saw a convenient blacklist show up on their doorstep and didn't feel like thinking further. These are the types who ruin the modern internet the hardest, they don't really hate people into foalcon, they just get a little uncomfortable and see a big list and go "oh gee, thanks, I was worried I'd have to think about it" and then eat their chips as they think they're now morally superior and society around them crumbles.
They're the same types as what gave us the sorry excuse for a character that one of them has as their avatar, Opaline "I'm evil with no actual reason" Arcana.

>>24004
Yet he's watching my account despite I have drawn LOTS of foalcon, along with a couple of other guys on his list who have done this too, but perhaps he don't know or jut use watchlists to stalk artists. Anyways I left DA for a while, occasionally post some pleb shit there.

>>24032
This brings up a core problem where PCL and Databyte intersect. Databyte very early on was considered about lumping everything together, so called for a categorization scheme:
>[6/8/2022 10:20 AM] databytebrony
>Suggestion for reporting, I would personally appreciate having two categories for reports: security (raids/active hackers/trolls) and social (scammers, troublemakers, mental health concerns)
>
>Reason being while security reports are appreciated for awareness, there's little that can generally be done for most servers since Discord doesn't support banning users who are not in your server. (that I know of, I'm sure there may be a bot out there that can do that, but it's not a native Discord feature)
>
>Whereas social reports would presumably be more active members in the community and more likely to be in multiple servers.

On first glance (as certainly PCL only did), this makes sense, but it's a clear start of the manipulation; he tells everyone to focus on the "social" category, and in a way that suggests using it as a shared banlist. Basically, he was trying to steer things away from scammers and the sort, who you actually need to stop, and towards anyone who might be into the wrong things.
He furthermore uses "troublemakers" as a catchall that for sure covers anyone into things he dislikes. And at the time he was writing this, he had just recently banned multiple people from BT for being "troublemakers", as in people who weren't down with the super purity culture.

Databyte is a snake, and he slithered up PCL's asshole fast without them even noticing. It was only natural they ended up his puppet.

>>24036
To clarify, his "security" included scammers using hacks etc., while "social" I believe was for scammers as in things like artists who don't fulfill commissions.

>>24035
So what's your account so we know how to peg this guy like we're Scootaloo on crack?

>>24033
The way I see it, it's just the way they chose to run their server. Like sure, not everyone can agree with how a server operates and its rules, but it's not like they're actively trying to put out people and trying to show power or control over people or something. They simply decided that they don't want this in the server, and I think that's fair? It's purely for their server, and that's about it. Nothing else happens. They don't go around telling people to do the same, and they don't add any fuel to the fire. They're kinda just doing their own thingand keeping their server the way they wanted it to.

>>24038
So I guess you'll be completely fine if I go and organize a server called "Pony Community Leaders GTFO" where I get my server and a dozen others to ban anyone affiliated with that server. I mean, it's our servers, man.

>>24039
How is that the same thing? PCL is a much bigger movement and involved a lot of people and servers. Just because they're both called "Discord Servers" doesn't mean it's on the same level.

>>24040
Ah, it's a "movement" now, so I've gotta round up at least two dozen servers, gotcha.

I'm gonna make my own discord, I'll call it eris, and we'll have blackjack and foalcon.

>>24042
Blackjack as in the game or as in the fan character?

>>24040
Not at all. It's a different scale for sure but the premise would be the exact same. You ban people just because they're associated to something. They'd be banning people associated with PCL. Almost literally 1 for 1

>>24044
What about the optics and the hypocrisy guys, we need a moral victory, this is about ethics in foalcon here.
Are you one of them?

>>24045
I'm not saying to do it. I'm pointing out how it would be basically one and the same

>>24044
Yea sure not everyone could agree on everything, and such rules are indeed very strict. But then again, it's how they decided to run their server and they stuck to it. It's more like a clash of opinions, some thinking the rule doesn't make sense while they think it's necessary for their server. In the end, it's just a usual server ban thing and that's about it. It's between the server and those that were banned, with no real need for outside interference. It would be kinda like busting into a random family home and yell at them telling them how to solve their family feud. It's something unrelated to the outsiders and should be left for those who were actually involved. In my opinion, at least. We can't control every single thing in the world.

>>24047
I don't think that's an apt comparison at all when those same people in the server go and ban others from the other serves they're in. If it was just between them and the server it would never leave PCL at all. That'd be like trying to take your family to a restaurant and being denied entry because they heard an unsavory rumor about you.

>>24047
It's more like your small convention that meets once a week to talk ponies banned a family because you heard they were on a list of people who went to a porn store, when you yourself encouraged the creation of the list to be able to escape having to actually think about who to exclude, so you could just point at a big blacklist posted on the doors that shames people for not being good Christians.

>>24049
Moralistic shits like that are everywhere now. People on twitter actually saying that just having MLP porn at all "in mlptwt, a kids space" is evil.
Fucking hell, Zoomers were a mistake. They fap in private and then grandstand on little soapboxes in public about how bad it is to fap to the wrong thing, in between picking a side in the latest war and acting like it's just a game. They have no experience with actual struggles and aren't even trying to do anything about the shit wages they're getting when they go to work (they'd rather throw a shitfit about AI taking away their ability to do $25 commissions that don't pay the bills at all).

>>24050
>Zoomers were a mistake. They fap in private and then grandstand on little soapboxes in public about how bad it is to fap to the wrong thing
Millennials did this too. So did gen X.
Boomers, however, are the biggest hypocrites. They were all hippie degenerates, and then police people about sex today.

>>24051
Gen X doesn't get on soapboxes except to say everyone sucks. South Park is like their magnum opus of their actual political views.
Millennials gave us things like this site, but then Zoomers got with Boomers and decided that actually, everything on the internet is real life, you should be canceled because you had the wrong greentext or porn collection now, let's all send money to daddy Elon even tho we bitch and moan forever that he's the worst person on the planet.
The funniest shit is Zoomers actually saying to not use a programming language because its creators didn't condone on their forums automatically rejecting all code ever made by anyone who's a nazi and having a longass discussion over the merits of it.

>>24052
To be fair Elon does ban for shitting on trannies and kikes and waking up White people routinely, so he is kind of a nigger tbh.

>>24048
>>24049
I think we might be on different topics here? It feels that way, at least. My focus is on Zat and Marsh being involved in this whole situation while just managing their own server their way. Actions were taken that might not be agreed by all, but it's really just them doing their thing. The list kinda just happened, and they are not directly involved except if you count using the list to ban like a few people in their server.

>>24053
No offense to any niggers who may be reading this like DataByte the nigger.
>>23935
Note how this post remains up because of the trap card but he reported "Neat" to Cloudflare
The trap card
>>23938
Out fucking skilled DataBytch.

>>24053
For sure he is, but they make a big stink about leaving his site and then just don't because they're too afraid of being somewhere different that doesn't have a nice little phone app to hold their little hand and all their little fans to kiss their sensitive underage hineys.
A ton of them tried Mastodon and immediately went back to Elon's teat, all the while bitching that loli should be illegal when the Mastodons they went to banned it and Elon didn't.

>>24054
What a little bitch excuse "our way" for banning anyone who has the "wrong" interests.

>>24057
Oh don't worry, I'm sure they'll let in Databyte even after it's proven he's drooling over Scootacunny. Great minds think alike, after all.

>>24058
When DataByte becomes the Pony Community Leader he will presumably afford his close circle some of those type of indulgences as long as they help him seize and maintain power.

>>24059
Ah yes, when Longnecked Scotty becomes the fandom's Petite Chicken Licker.

>>24052
>Zoomers got with Boomers and decided that actually, everything on the internet is real life
Zoomers behave like this because they've never had a shred of privacy in their lives. They were born in cancel culture, molded by it.
Boomers are just shameless retards.

>>24057
I don't blame you for disagreeing, like sure ok. And then what? It's a pretty small issue and if you're not in that server it doesn't even effect you at all unless you reeeeeaaaally wanna poke your head into it. Feel free to disagree with this take, but I think this is pretty much a clear fact. Especially with everything that's happening right now, this is such a small thing in comparison and pretty much ignorable and just move on with life doing better things than trying to gripe over one server.

>>24060
The horsetoothed foalfucker himself.

>>24062
Love the saying it's small to try and keep the focus off your own place.

>>24061
Oh they have privacy, but it's a strict binary. Public face as open as shit, constantly spewing vitriol against the latest acceptable target, then private face is down in the depths of whatever they just spewed hate against. They also see a strict binary on underage/adult and SFW/NSFW.
They have trouble with anything in between, or any inkling of greater consciousness about how cancel culture is trapping them. Everything is just a neverending fight for "survival" as in making sure nobody has their nudes or what they're into, by targeting others first to distract while they shore themselves up.

>>24013
>on Behalf of EqD
kek, these people are obsessed with participation in and creating problems related to moderation, a friend joined the eqd discord a few months back and the janny team hours later jumped down his throat and sent him to chatjail for having "IWTCIRD" in his bio

>>24066
Reminds me of BT literally saying they struggled with the possibility someone could listen to music with the wrong title while on the server, or that it wasn't okay to link a tweet when the SFW twitter account has some NSFWish tweets. They really want to go in every nook and cranny and janny all night to create their perfect bubble where kids can never even learn that anything but wholesomeness exists.

>>24067
it's not a legitimate goal either its just a way to be a cunt and enforce more bullshit with a claim of morality on the side of their hammer

>>24054
I think my comparison still works. Taking your family to a restaurant and denied access for an unsavory rumor. So the list got made which is the unsavory rumor. Then people got kicked or denied access from servers over said list. It's literally the same thing. It's not really justified so it's still an asshole move.

>>23582
Funny, during the derpi drama people had to keep explaining to Nebby why this sort of purity testing was a bad thing. Pretty fucking retarded to still think it was entirely the "alt right". There's a lot of names on the list that don't deserve to be there, but derpi mods are reaping what they sowed.

>>24031
poor dog is sick of all the cheese pizza as it is LOL

>>24069
I don't blame you for thinking that, like sure ok that's understandable. And then what? It's a pretty small issue and if you're not in that server it also shouldn't n't even effect you at all unless you reeeeeaaaally wanna poke your head into it. Feel free to disagree with this take, but I think this is pretty much a clear fact. Especially with everything that's happening right now, this is such a small thing in comparison and pretty much ignorable and just move on with life doing better things than trying to gripe over one server. At least that's what I think, anyways. We got bigger stuff at hand that are actually more relevant.

>>24074
Just wondering. What exactly is wrong with talking about it? If there's things that are so important other than this then why are you wasting your time still in this thread too? Sounds to me like you're just hoping this whole thing blows over as quick as possible.