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Three explosions have occurred in Iran in recent days. The explosions occurred at the Shahid Rajaee port, a motorcycle factory in Mashhad, and a cardboard factory in Karaj. The explosion at Shahid Rajaee port killed 57 people and injured more than 1,000.
Description of the explosions:
Shahid Rajaee port explosion:
The explosion occurred on April 26, 2025 at the Shahid Rajaee port in southern Iran. State media reports indicate that 57 people were killed and more than 1,000 were injured. The explosion occurred at around 12:20 Iranian time, due to a fire in several containers containing explosives, including ammonium perchlorate, in the port's quay area. The incident occurred in the midst of negotiations between Iran and the United States over Iran's nuclear program.
Motorcycle factory explosion:
The explosion occurred at a motorcycle factory in Mashhad, northern Iran. The incident caused a fire in a warehouse containing tires and cardboard. The fire was contained, but the cause of the explosion and possible casualties are not yet known.
Explosion at cardboard factory:
The explosion occurred at a cardboard factory in Karaj, near Tehran. The incident also caused a large fire, raising concerns about industrial safety and the possibility of sabotage in the country.
Related:
Following the Shahid Rajaee Port explosion, Iranian authorities ordered news censorship, and some sources have raised the possibility of sabotage in the incident.
The explosion at Shahid Rajaee Port may have caused huge financial losses, with some officials estimating the damage at between $3 billion and $5 billion.
In addition to these explosions, a series of other similar incidents have recently occurred in Iran, raising concerns about industrial safety and the possibility of sabotage.
The explosions come at a time of rising regional and international tensions, with Iran currently engaged in nuclear negotiations and confrontation with Israel
links:
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1q0zlslee
https://www.iranintl.com/en/liveblog/202504261552
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>>393594
jews are at it again

>>393311
Thank you very much for this technical information. It was a bit difficult to fully understand everything you explained, but I think I got it in the end.
From what it seems, right now a lot of aircraft are being sent from europe and the U.S (we could say from the NATO side) towards israel, and if(as you said)they use the strongest ground-based weapons, it will probably be effective in electronic warfare.
But as you also said, this disruption must happen as quickly as possible, so that after the INS activates, there will be a longer delay and reduced accuracy.
I don't know whether israel has been using GMLRS in this war to destroy launchers (because the launchers were usually destroyed by drones and micro-UAVs launched internally by infiltrators), but I'm pretty sure now that many of those infiltrators have been captured by Iran, israel is relying more on equipment being sent by NATO.
The main problem for Iran was protecting its lunchers. If it wants to protect them now, it can't just rely on GPS jamming equipment, it needs actual air defense systems. And since Iran has become more alert and arrested many infiltrators, it must now be able to protect those systems more effectively.
So my question is this: Isn't it possible that air defense systems are also being sent (to Iran)?
This war has made Iran much more distrustful of Russia (not that it trusted them much before), but now its semi-strategic partner seems to be shifting from Russia to China.
Iran will likely rely more on Chinese and indigenous defense systems.
>>393312
Thanks!
>>393313
Looks like this war is just a battle in a retirement home, just take a look at the key players involved:
Khamenei : 85 years old
Trump : 79 years old
Netanyahu : 75 years old
Putin : 72 years old
Jinping : 72 years old
There's no surprise why this war is so gay...
>>393316
A proud populist dude. Just imagine if he was a democrat in some parallel universe, he would probably wear a purple suit and yelling "Make America Cool Again!" with a MACA hat on.
But seriously, he has his own plan, but he doesn't realize he can't understand everything with his over-simplified explanations. I don't blame him, because he's wearing the "Trillion-dollar Glasses." (I'll explain what that means in replies below.)
>I doubt any removal of the likud party will be permanent. They tried that in 2021, but the coalition fell apart and the likud rapidly reasserted power.
I feel the same way. Netanyahu goes, and his party buddy comes in.
>>393318
>LOL
I don't get why these kikes get so pissed over such a small amount of money. The U.S has given israel hundreds of times more than that.
>The US entered the war because Bibi skillfully manipulated his favorite useful idiot, the President of the United States of America.
I don't think this whole thing is really about Trump or Netanyahu in general. Sure, this specific war might be connected, but overall, Khamenei usually throws out the same vague lines about israel and the U.S, it's one of the most typical and predictable things he says. The only difference now is that more people around the world are actually listening to his speeches. Most of the time, even Iranians don't really pay attention to what he says. People only tune in when stuff gets tense. And this one? Just one of his usual talks at all, not a big deal.
>The average American can't even find Israel on the map.
Also yeah, I totally get it. I still remember that poll. [pic related]
I just mean... Wtf about those Americans who thought Iran is an autonomous region inside their own country??! That points on the map wasn't even a joke, don't think they were trolling, I think they were fucking serious!!!
>>393319
Could this theory be true, that Bibi offers children as bribes?
>>393320
That's nothing. Back when I used free vpns, that was real PAIN! Getting spammed with a ton of garbage ads, and in the end, none of them even worked, that hits different.
(every Iranian has to prove they're more miserable than the other Iranian, right?)
>>393321
Sure, Trump fights for israel just like Netanyahu does, but at the end of the day, he's still an American. He's not gonna fuck his own country for israel when there are easier ways to get what he wants.
That whole berating? Like I said, it's just a "دعوای زرگری".
And honestly, Trump acts like a mom scolding her kid (Netanyahu) for picking fights with others. Maybe he even blames his own kid instead of the other side… but if that kid's life were really in danger, that same mom would break every moral rule to save him.
Right now? It still all looks like a show to me. Bibi is just still dumb enough to mess things up, and Trump's even dumber, can't even run his own plan right.
>>393322
Yeah, that MIGA thing...
But either way, I think Trump still isn't fully sold on regime change. I'm not saying he's against it 100%, just that he's probably still leaving about 10–15% room for hope. He's still hoping there's a chance for an alliance with this regime, something that, under the current regime, feels like pure fantasy. But it's the kind of fantasy that's a total nightmare for Netanyahu and israel.
A U.S-Iran partnership would hurt China and Russia, and worst of all, Israel, more than anyone else.
Israel wants regime change to weaken or maybe even break up Iran.
But Trump? He's looking for an alliance with the regime in Iran, whether it's the current one (unlikely) or a new one.
America needs a stable Iran for its Rimland strategy.

>>393324
>>393325
>you write too much and you care too much about what people....
Honestly, since the war started, some of my work got delayed, so I have some free time. And anyway, I enjoy arguing (I mean, aren't these sites made for that?).
Usually, since I don't have time to constantly send short replies, I just wait till a few messages pile up and then hit back with a long reply all at once (you know, as they say: fire all your canons at once!).
It's not really about trying to prove myself to that sandnigger, I just wanted to make him realize how dumb he was. But yeah, I only waste so much time on someone. If they're still acting dumb, I just stop replying for real.
>at this point i am just too depressed to give a fuck...
Anyway, I hope you get better. Depression isn't something you should just "learn to live with." I swear we have all been through that.
<(I know you probably don't care.)
I lost my gf during covid. She was a nursing student and volunteered to help at a hospital. It was near the end of the first year of covid, literally a week after I introduced her to my parents, she died of it. You think I didn't fall into depression? You think I don't live in this same country too?
Cut the crap with this "woe is me" stuff, dive into it and get over it. Depression is only worth giving energy to up to a point, then you gotta move on. Quit the emotional baby games!
>glad you're alive
Also, yeah, I'm glad my fellow Iranian(if you really are) is alive and can even post here.
>and i don't care if you're basiji or npc or mossad or whatever the fuck you identify as
I’m just an MLP-loving politics nerd. That's all you need to know about me here.
>also you need to stop talking to that arabtard, that guy is a troll and he never posts in a good faith
About that arabtard, yeah, I knew he was trolling, but I kinda let him reveal his own stupidity first. Once he did, I stopped replying.
Funny thing is, I remember you arguing with the same arab guy in another thread (I think that was my thread), and I told you to stop, now you're saying the same thing to me. Like they say: "خیاط تو کوزه افتاد"!
>Side note
I think that conspiracy theory is a bit hard to believe. I mean, I do believe Mossad has influence, but full-on ZOG? Nah, that's too far-fetched.
Sure, there's infiltration, no doubt. But the system isn't totally turned into some ZOG puppet like in those other govs in the world. And like it or not, these guys fought for 12 days. You can't just ignore the efforts of a lot of their forces.
That whole hardcore irgc ideology? It's mostly up in the top brass. The lower ranks, just like any other regular Iranians, normal people serving the country. I have realized that too.
Most irgc guys aren't even "enghelabi", if they're not anti-regime, they're still not the thing that people usually though. So yeah, painting the entire irgc as some kikes puppet force? That's just plain unfair. Even if the regime falls, they'll still be around. Maybe restructured, some commanders arrested, merged with the army, but the core remains.
Also, seriously, what the hell did I even say that made me look like irgc??!
>WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE??!?!?!?
Just an anon...
>you are defending iran in a 4chan based...
First of all, please point me to where exactly I "shitposted" about israel.
Also, what's this thread about? That's right, the Iran–israel war.
And who am I? Yep, an Iranian.
So logically, what am I supposed to do? Obviously, defend my country.
And even then, I'm not blindly defending anything, I mostly share my own analysis first.
I haven't even claimed that Iran "won" this war or anything like that(technically, this war isn't over, شاهنامه آخرش خوشه).
You'll find the kind of people you're talking about in /pol/, ranting about the Talmud.
I tried to keep things as realistic as possible, without quoting Iranian propaganda or ZOG-tier sources.
No one's trying to "do" anything here, it's a thread about a war, and I wrote about the war.
And why did I get mad at you?
Because you were acting like a kike, lying.
I hate lies and misinformation. Even if you were lying in favor of Iran, it still wouldn't make a difference to me.
Not exactly hard thing...
>let me honest with you...
I get what you're saying, but trust me, I've argued with plenty of monarchists and hardcore nationalists to know the difference between delusional nationalism and something real.
Yes, Iran is not Persia. "Persia" is a greek name that was later used because of the Achaemenid ethnicity. But Iran is a Persian word, and it literally represents what Iran truly is.
Yes! Iran is not Persia. Iran is Iran!
And look, you don't need to be a sociologist, geographer, or historian to feel that there's something special about Iran, something other countries don't have.
Iran has a certain core(a force) that's kept it together despite separatist groups, foreign pressure, and endless attempts to break it apart.
Most countries would have fallen apart under what Iran has endured.
That special strength of Iranians, which is visible throughout history, has nothing to do with this current regime.
Iran is the one country that truly can't be destroyed by invasion. Its internal structure simply won't allow it.
Every time Iran has been brought down, it's been because of betrayal, never force.
Even Alexander had to rely on a traitor shepherd to get through, and that was during the reign of one of Iran's most incompetent king.
Without that betrayal, he would have to turn back. Iran wouldn't have fallen.
And that's the problem, there are people who want to convince you that Iran will never be great again, just to make you their "shepherd".(maybe a cod reference, too)
But you're not supposed to care what kind of government is ruling you right now, or how incompetent they are.
As long as your homeland is under attack, all that talk means nothing.
Did Ariobarzanes care that his king had fled? No. He did his duty, not for the king, not for monarchy, but for his homeland.

>>393325
>welcome to mlpol , everyone are...
Everyone are faggots, including me.
That's just the logic I go by. I don't care about the idea that I have to assume everyone's a jew by default.
Also, there's a difference between assuming someone's a jew and them actually proving they are one.
You didn't really deny being a jew, instead, the way you talked made you act like one, which only made it more convincing.
>i am not a kafer , i born christian and i die as a christian. deal with it
آخه لامصب!
من نمی‌دونم تو چقدر ادبیات فارسی حالیته، ولی خدایی یه اصطلاحی مثل این رو هر خری که یکم فارسی بلده، می‌دونه. چرا بجای اینکه اصل مطلب این ضرب‌المثل رو بگیری، به فرعش می‌پردازی؟؟! اصلا اشتباهت هم لفظی بود، نه معنایی! اینجا کافر یعنی فرد بداندیش و کوته نظر، نه از نظر دینی! من کاری با مسیحی بودن تو ندارم.
یکم منطقی باش! من از عمد فارسی می‌نویسم که بدونی یه اصطلاح، ضرب‌المثل و یا شعر نوشتم، ولی خدایی چطور تونستی اینجوری اشتباه کنی؟؟ اگه واقعا این چیزایی که می‌نویسم رو نمیفهمی، میتونی راحت سرچش کنی. نمی‌دونم چت جی پی تی اینقدر باهوش هست که بفهمه یا نه، ولی اگه با سرچ نتونستی، بنظرم با چت جی پی تی هم امتحان کن.
>i am not a nihilist, i just hate humanity as a whole
به بز گفتن شاخ داری؟ گفت نه، پیچ دارم!
>god you are sad and you are trying too much for idk...
Now I'm the sad one?
I'm just here for war, analysis, news and so on... Understand??
>>393326
>I don't think Trump is going to do it. If he were...
Both Trump and Netanyahu want regime change, but Trump wants to end the regime, while Netanyahu wants to end Iran.
Unlike Netanyahu, Trump needs a stable Iran for alliance(Rimland strategy), which is exactly what Netanyahu doesn't want.
>Except the era of those assholes being popular has...
Maybe that's why Trump wants the regime change to come from inside.
He probably believes he can convince the Iranian people to bring it down themselves.(But this war made things harder for him and delayed regime change, because people shifted into defending their homeland.)
>Yeah, I know. He's a Zionist shabbos goy. This has...
Trump, as much as possible, tries to avoid going to war.
A direct war would only be a loss for the U.S.
That "Trillion-dollar Glasses" would only bring America more damage.(I explained about it below)
>>393327
Don't get hyped so fast. He always says this shit. There won't be anything about it.
You're just now getting familiar with his speeches, this isn't anything new.
Also, you seem pretty detached from reality.
As they say: never trust the weapon in your hand or get cocky about it, yet that's exactly what you are doing.
You think your military hasn't thought this through?
If they could, they would have attacked Iran at the first opportunity.
A naval war?? Have you even read about Iran's navy?
Sure, it might seem weaker in some ways, but you should do some proper research.
If it ever happens, this war will look more like the spanish Armada.
My advice: learn more before posting smug memes.
Last time before Ferdo, you just crashed your helicopters in Tabas by yourselves!(really how?!)
Your military knows a war with Iran would be worse than Vietnam. That's why Trump's doing everything he can to avoid it.
I have actually developed a theory I call "Trillion-dollar Glasses", a lens the west was forced to wear after ww2, when most kikes betrayed the eastern bloc and joined the west.
These glasses are on your face now, and they distort your perception of almost every situation.
Most of the cold war conflicts and after it, Vietnam, Cuba, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, all came from this flawed vision that kikes handed you.
Your belief that the middle east is a "danger zone"?
That's not reality, it's a delusion created after you shoved your heads up the middle east's ass. Then you made it dangerous.
You don't even know your enemy. That's why you can't really win.
These glasses have already cost you trillions and will cost even more.
You don't know the middle east, the kikes do, but you don't. And you always walk into war with pride, until you get hit with reality and start whining.
These glasses have made you arrogant, clueless, and blind when it comes to war.
You think you're saving the world, when in fact, you're the one who caused the mess.
Half-cleaning up your own disasters isn't "saving" anything.
These glasses made you believe islam is violent, when before these glasses, you didn't even see this kind of violence.
They turned christians against each other over stupid secondary issues, while the core of their faith faded away.
They even made you believe judaism= zionism.
And now you're proudly shouting "I hate kikes!", thinking you're not being manipulated?
That's like saying you hate the chinese, while posting that comment from a device made entirely in China. China doesn't care, as long as you're helping their economy.
Same with the kikes.
They don't care if you hate them or not, as long as your money ends up in their pockets and your worldview is exactly what they want.
So yeah, go ahead, shout "America First!"
You have only just noticed there's something sitting on your nose,
but by the time you realize it's a pair of glasses and not your actual sight,
it'll be too late. The kikes will have already upgraded them into "Quadrillion-dollar Glasses", and their prophecy of world control will be complete.
Take those damn glasses off.
They have made you arrogant, brainwashed, and incapable of thinking straight.
Since ww2, after total jewish infiltration,
U.S have become a dumb tool in one pointless war after another, and it gained nothing from any of them.
So don't get cocky.
This naval war you're dreaming about?
It'll hurt both sides(but mostly you) and wreck the global oil supply while it's at it.
>>393328
I hadn't seen that before, but honestly, it's true, he really does look like a cod villain.
But seriously, what the hell is this guy even supposed to be?
I tried watching some of his videos, but all I saw was a bunch of ZOG bullshits and "restless hand syndrome"crap.
Is that basically what he is overall?

>>393329
AI made his accent sound like a 110 years old pajeet who just chewed tobacco and is now trying to force out English.
AI still has a long way to go.
>>393335
>>393337
>>393340
Bro, you literally told me a few messages ago to stop arguing with him, and now you're arguing with him?
Just drop it. After reading his latest bullshits, I'm pretty sure this pedo either lives in some alternate timeline or just looks at history pictures without actually knowing anything and his strategic mind is weaker than the noobiest HOI4 player out there.
Forget it, he's completely lost it.
>>393339
I just realized that arab really not worth arguing with at all.
Btw, arabs are Semitic, not Aryan.
>>393341
I'm just thinking about how much content is gonna come out of this war…
>>393342
What you said is like the Joker poisoning all of Gotham with his gas and then saying:
"I guess this city is full of crazies…"
Yeah, this is one the effects of "Trillion-dollar Glasses".
>>393344
>>393345
At some point, I need to talk about a part of Iran's history, politics, and society. Feels like there's a lot of wrong info out there.
But honestly, I really don't feel like writing it right now.
>>393347
>i think nowadays that the same strategy does not needed anymore
That's exactly what the U.S wants to do again when it comes to Iran.
And I'm telling you right now, if the regime were to fall today and a pro-american gov took over, two or three generations after that would get a deeply anti-american population.
(Don't ask why, just think about history a little.)
>i guess ameica is tired of islami terrorists
Unfortunately, this whole "Trillion-dollar Glasses" has made the U.S incapable of learning. Even right now, Trump is considering lifting sanctions on Syria just because of Tahrir al-sham.
Nothing has really changed.
>about israel , i think they - specially nethanyahoo's zahoonist party- do need a fake ass...
As for israel, the entire state is built on zionism, so saying "Netanyahu's Zionist party" kinda feels meaningless.
But yeah, like I said before, israel (especially Bibi) needs an enemy to justify its own existence. And if there isn't one, they'll make one up.
They haven't assassinated Khamenei yet because they know if he's gone, someone way more radical will take his place, probably someone who wouldn't hesitate to order a nuclear strike on israel.
(which is ironic, because the reason Iran's nuke program is moving slowly is because of Khamenei himself. Weird how it's him the Zionists should actually be thankful for!)
>Islamic republic scared...
Originally, it was Iraq that tried to take on Iran, but after Saddam attacked and got pushed back (and don't give me that "it was a tie" BS, even a guy playing Risk knows if you attack and fail to gain anything, that's a loss), the war scared the arab world, and they ran to israel for protection.
>yeah i think US needs to stop listening to UK's plan
In reality, it was Britain that first tried to manage all this, and when it couldn't, it dumped the responsibility on America, and America kept pushing forward until itself became infected with the ZOG virus.
Sadly, the U.S still hasn't found a cure for it.
>side note
You could say that Britain was actually helping Germany before* ww2.
It was even the British who, in the first place, encouraged Reza shah to build good relations with the Germans, something that eventually made Reza shah even more eager about it than the British themselves.
>>393349
>Yes, this was how the policy of "appeasement" got...
Yeah, Britain started this fire, and then burned in it too.
>The United States probably would not have even gotten involved in...
In my opinion, Pearl Harbor was what you may call a "passive false flag", kind of like October 7th for israel.
They knew the enemy was going to attack, but let it happen to create an excuse.
The U.S probably saw it coming, they had already moved some of their expensive gear and aircraft carriers out of the base before the attack. That's a bit suspicious.
>America was aggressively uninterested in what was...
There were basically three main reasons:
The U.S needed access to Middle Eastern oil and gas.
Israel, as a U.S proxy(and ZOG virus), needed its enemies in the region to be weakened.
And the Middle East was a key piece in the Rimland strategy.
>>393350
Overall, Britain messed up a lot over the past 150 years, and much of the world (including Britain itself) is still dealing with the consequences.
>>393351
Their mistake was underestimating Hitler, and he took advantage of that. But in the end, Hitler made a mistake and bit off more than he could chew. He could have handled the invasions of Britain and the USSR much more effectively, but he didn't.
And yes, he was always right about kikes.
(This AI is really better than that one.)
>>393352
I'm still wondering what exactly caused France to fall so quickly.
>>393353
Three major screw-ups that weakened Germany big time:
_They hit the USSR too early instead of wrapping things up in the west first, rookie mistake.
_Iran fell because of Reza shah's political and civil blunders (long story), which opened the way for the Allies to boost the Soviets directly and keep them alive.
_Operation Gunnerside, a bunch of commandos messed up Nazi Germany's nuke project. Pretty based.

Honestly, Pearl Harbor wasn't even needed for the U.S to get involved. They could have played their part quietly without going full "we declare war", but America wanted a bigger slice of the pie and played it more cautiously.
>>393354
Like I said, the U.S needed a passive false flag to justify grabbing a bigger piece of the pie and covering its own ass at the same time.
>>393355
What really matters is the intention and the spirit.
>>393357
>No one ever called him a liar once
Basically, he wasn't really telling any big lies. Whatever lies people blame him for mostly came from those around him, he just ended up being the face of the lies.

>>393358
I'd say 70% influence. Trump still has his own plan, though he kinda reminds me of Dutch's plans...
>>393359
America knows it can't just launch an attack like that. Right now, just wait... time will do the rest.
>>393360
Netanyahu is a dumbass, and Trump is trying to make him realize that and trust his plan, but he's doing it in a dumbass way too.
>>393361
Based, but he has chosen the worst possible path.
>>393362
I don't think Iran has the strongest navy, but it definitely has the trickiest. Fast small boats, naval mines, and drones give Iran high maneuverability against large, heavy American vessels, kind of like the U.K vs Spain in the Armada.
And honestly, I'm not sure, but aside from submarines, most surface fleets are pretty exposed and clear targets at sea. On the other hand, Iran's launchers in the southern part of the country can target them. As we know, israel hasn't launched major or widespread attacks on them(in south), and most of them haven't been directly threatened. Also, those launchers can fire more diverse missiles due to the shorter distance. I doubt the U.S would want to fight Iran in this kind of war. (Not to mention, this kind of war would likely trigger direct Chinese involvement.)
Also, I don't think there's even a need to destroy tankers. One of my acquaintances, who is a commercial ship captain, told me that tankers are so much more valuable than the oil they carry that even a slight risk of danger makes the owners keep them safe rather than take a chance and move the oil. They're extremely expensive, and just the threat of closing the strait of Hormuz or hitting even one tanker could freeze traffic entirely. Nobody would dare go through.
However, if Iran acts selectively and the U.S responds by stopping all ships, it could actually play in Iran's favor, because then it will appear, especially to Iran's allies, that Iran was the "reasonable" actor just trying to help, while the "bad guys" are harassing everyone. That could push friendly nations to take more active stances in support of Iran.
And yes, no one really benefits from closing the strait of Hormuz. The real fight is over who loses more.
If it really escalates, because of shared interests, this either turns into ww3, or if U.S pride breaks, they'll be forced to back down, though that seems unlikely.
Either way, if this war actually happens, it will harm israel the most, because their interests will suffer regardless. That's why they want regime change before any actual war.
Trump is trying to, as the saying goes, neither shoot, nor feed, nor free the bird, a kind of indecision just to buy time until the regime changes. But the big issue is that he misunderstands the Iranian people. They're not so stupid that they can't tell the difference between a political/regime threat and an existential/national one.
Iranians mostly fall into a gray zone(apolitical), tired of politics and more concerned about their usual lives.(plus, a regime born from revolution knows how to close off the same paths that brought it to power, so this regime won't fall easily, especially now that the people are more nationalistic).
Chances are, Trump won't be able to fully satisfy his own supporters either.
>One of my friends noticed, that for one of Nimitz–class carriers, which directed to Persian Gulf, this is last voyage. They scheduled replacement for 2026 year. Another Liberty-level happening possible.
I don't think the U.S wants to destroy that ship. A false flag would be the dumbest way to start a war. People are way more familiar with that concept now, and there's deep distrust about the reasons used to start wars. I don't think any justification would work well enough this time.
This war is already at a bad stage, and it's moving fast. I don't think it will end until something major happens.
Right now, everything depends on the next steps taken in the war. At this point, it looks like we're just preparing for round 2.
>your pic
In fact, this war also showed that the kikes, contrary to what they portray, aren't actually that smart. They only pretend to be intelligent in order to appear invincible.

>>393363
>I was quite impressed by this, but shamed at...
Actually, at the beginning, I didn't expect the opposition as a whole to become anti-israel.
I thought I would probably be one of the few people who, for national reasons, would be forced to side with the regime.
But then, things seemed to change. I'm a member of many telegram groups, both pro-regime and opposition. I'm fairly active in both.
I also have two twitter accounts, one tuned to show me mostly opposition content, and the other more from regime supporters.
The interesting thing was that in both accounts, suddenly about two-thirds of the opposition became strongly anti-israel and began defending the country.
The majority of these were liberals and nationalist republicans, monarchists were the least among them.
Of course, this is what I observed on twitter, on telegram, almost everyone was pro-Iran or at worst, remained silent.
It was rare to see anyone openly supporting the israeli attack, and when they did, they were usually heavily attacked by others.
In my opinion, twitter is full of cyber actors who amplify both sides, especially monarchists in the opposition, and also the regime's own media agents.
But one thing was clear: nearly all real monarchists changed their stance, and those whose opinions didn't change were usually copy-pasting coordinated talking points, often with a Star of David in their profile.
When I say regime change isn't possible right now, it's because during this war, many opposition members sided with Iran, while no one from the regime's side switched to support israel.
So basically, the number of pro-israel opposition shrank, and those who remained are just retweeting each other and repeating scripted messages to seem bigger than they really are. Their dishonesty is quite obvious.
We Iranians believe that people reveal their true selves during travel, but it turns out, war does that too.
This war showed the difference between a sincere opposition figure who loves Iran and a full-blown traitor.
Even my thermo professor, an extremely monarchist boomer who sometimes made political comments in class (no one ever reported him, everyone weren't that petty), surprised me.
I expected him to be sitting, waiting for the regime to collapse so the monarchy could return.
But a few days ago, when I had to get a report on an old paper from him, I found out he had stayed in Tehran the entire time.
I asked him: "Why didn't you leave the city for a while?"
He said: "Why should I? What's the news?"
I said: "Israel might have bombed your neighborhood."
He said: "So let them! The bastards think I'll abandon my home because of them?"
Then I asked: "Israel wants to crown Reza Pahlavi II as king. Why are you talking against israel?" (I wanted to test him).
He answered: "To hell with that! Yeah, sometimes Reza Pahlavi says stupid things, but since when do people like me need a bunch of foreigners to help us? What, we're crippled now?? This will pass, and Reza Pahlavi will understand that the only ones he can trust are his own people. We'll bring the king back by ourselves, not let a bunch of foreigners dare do it!"
Honestly, this was shocking and interesting to me, because he was extremely radical, and I didn't expect that kind of response.
But now I think other monarchists may think this way too.
And about you, I would say your gov is lucky to have such cowardly opposition.
This kind of opposition will never be able to change any regime.
>Do you heard about fourth generations of Ibn Khaldun?
Oh yes! One of my friends who studies sociology had told me about this topic.
Though I had almost forgotten it, thanks for the reminder.
And I think, in order to reverse or slow down this cycle, a war needs to happen at the right time and place. In such a case, civilization somehow recharges itself.
>Looks like Iran was attacked, when second generation of soldiers...
In fact, since they didn't attack the 4th generation, they ended up pushing the third generation closer to the second, and the second to the first.
As I mentioned before, this made Iranians more patriotic and aware.
Those sandniggers have never been true allies of Iran. They have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and cowardly, even from Iran's own perspective. Iran has never seriously counted on them. (In this very war, they were practically lined up behind the U.S and israel.)
Iraq is part of the same group. There's only Sistani, who supports Iran. Maybe, if he issues a fatwa, he could rally a large number of people to support Iran, but the biggest obstacle is the cowardly Iraqi gov.
(As I write this, you're now involved in a conflict with Azerbaijan.)
Azerbaijan has never had a good relationship with Iran. Many of israel's attacks came via Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan is practically ZOG.
Even during the Armenia–Azerbaijan war, while Iran tried to remain neutral, it ultimately preferred Armenia, despite Azerbaijan being a "Muslim" country, due to ethnic and political reasons.
In reality, right now, Iran is on its own, just Iran and itself.

>>393363
I believe Iran has a kind of imperial spirit with a national-spiritual essence.
Iranians generally possess a particular pride and strong sense of identity, but this doesn't translate into arrogance or a superiority complex. It's something that has allowed various ethnic groups to live together peacefully while still preserving their own identities.
Just look at the image, these are the ethnicities that represent the majority and distribution of Iran's population (of course, there are also smaller subgroups not mentioned here).
In my opinion, this isn't something particularly difficult to understand. It might seem complicated for the west and the east, but I think that's because they tend to complicate simple matters and oversimplify complex ones. That's why so many people there are caught up in DEI issues, while Iranians, without making it a big deal, naturally resolved these matters years ago. It surprises outsiders that such issues aren't a concern within Iran.
I believe this stems from both a strength and a weakness of Iranians: we make friends easily and become enemies only with difficulty.
As a result, there's very little national hatred or collective resentment in Iran. When it exists, it's usually aimed at a specific individual or group. You would have to cause serious harm to be hated by Iranians as a whole.
For example, many Iranians say they "hate arabs", but in reality, they treat Arab individuals (and people of other ethnicities) quite kindly. If you ask them to clarify exactly which arabs they hate, most will point to govs and regimes, not the people themselves. The same goes for America. Don't pay too much attention to what the regime says or what your media shows. In truth, Iranians hold no special hatred toward the people of western or eastern countries.
Even those who chant "Death to America", if you ask them what exactly they mean by "America", you'll find that they're really cursing the U.S government, not its people. The same, to a large extent (unfortunately), applies to israel. During this war, many Iranians expressed concern that it would harm both themselves and israeli civilians, a kind of sympathy that, in my opinion, is misguided, because the people of israel don't share this feeling in return.
Of course, anti-kikes sentiments have been growing lately, but unfortunately, they haven't yet reached widespread acceptance.
No matter how hard the regime tries, it hasn't been able to manufacture true nationwide hatred through slogans alone. And if these foreign countries were to cease their hostility, threats, and sanctions for just one year, even the regime would be forced to abandon its slogans, because the few people still repeating them would lose interest.
Even now, you can noticeably see that the "Death to America" chants have declined, and there's more focus on "Death to israel." Hatred is now increasingly aimed at Trump rather than the whole of America.
This unique Iranian trait helps explain why the people of Iran don't hold deep grudges toward each other or toward their neighbors. If Iranians didn't have this characteristic, you would have seen something much harsher and more radical than Nazi Germany arise in Iran long ago, but that never happened.
In the end, I believe there's a special national and spiritual concept in Iran that enables Iranians to endure hardships with resilience.
(I had to use some complex words to better convey my point.)

>>393363
>It's quite sad, that Russia don't have political culture of protests like Iran or France...
In fact, we're somewhere in the middle.
We usually protest only when it really hurts, whether civil protests or labor strikes. (Although labor protests do happen more often.)
Honestly, whenever you see us protesting, it means the knife has hit the bone and we can't stand it any longer.
We're always amazed by the protests in europe(like in Paris or Brussels) over the smallest issues. We joke that if we acted like them, we would be out in the streets protesting every single day!
Labor strikes rarely turn into full-scale uprisings here, and unlike europeans, we don't usually aim fire hoses at government buildings! Most of our protests are peaceful, and after a few days or weeks(if we get serious enough) the blind gov might finally wake up and do something.
But civil protests are something else entirely. The 2009, 2019, and 2022–23 uprisings are prime examples. They're far more intense and fundamental, but unfortunately they always get hijacked by selfish insiders and foreign actors. At first, these movements are genuinely grassroots and full of hope for real regime change, but after a while, opportunists looking to make a quick profit, plus outside interference, steer them off course. That repels the regular people and leaves only a bunch of hormonal keyboard warriors or 2-digit IQ hustlers.
The regime plans for this, so protests lose their true legitimacy and become pointless. I keep reminding myself: never let foreigners meddle in our affairs (because it's none of their business), and never let opportunists exploit our demonstrations. You must keep protests clean and truly popular, something that sadly didn't happen.
Of course, we don't have a real, home-grown political leader. So in every protest, some clown (see the pic) issues a "declaration" and crowns himself the self-appointed leader, even though he has zero ability, doesn't live in Iran, has no real connection to our people's suffering, and literally has no agency of his own. (He even kissed the wailing wall!)
So without a real leader, our protests always end up mocked and dismissed.
A leader must be among the people, within society and the country, and must have experienced the hardships of the people.
As a famous Iranian rapper once said: The more crushed the flower, the stronger the scent.
Personal anecdote from the December 2022 "Three-day call to protest" (Dec 5–7):
On the first night, I went out and realized most of the people ready to protest were just a bunch of naive, excited teenagers. I tried to guide them, telling them not to pick a needless fight with riot police, but instead to draw more people into the demonstrations. They didn't care. When tear gas hit, we had to set a trash can on fire just to keep the gas from reaching us.
One of them suddenly shouted a profanity against islam in the middle of our chants. I grabbed his mouth and threatened, "With that crap, you’re only insulting people's beliefs and driving them away. Grow up and stick to relevant slogans, if you say bullshit again, I'll throw you into that flaming bin and let you burn with it." That calmed things down for a bit, and a few people attracted by sounds and the firelight joined us. But then some idiots pulled out fireworks to throw at the police and escalate things further. I tried stopping them(cause needless violence only scares people off) but they wouldn't listen. Soon enough, one guy lobbed a firecracker at the cops, then the rest did the same. The police charged in and arrested many of us. I managed to slip away, but after that night I realized these protests had become ridiculous and completely off-track. I stayed home for the next two days and rest of it.
Later, seeing how a bunch of sleazy opportunists tried to cash in on the movement, I knew it was dead and had zero chance of succeeding.
>Thanks to war connections between nation and government...
Yes, every regime prefers for a war to happen so it can present itself as being in the right. The same applies to us as well.
>>393365
He completely misunderstood what I said, and you also didn't really get what he meant.
But anyway, the reason Iran is so often mentioned in the media is mostly because of its impact on regional and global politics, which is often brought up by your politicians and echoed in your media.
When ordinary people talk about Iran, they don't really know much about it, only what their politicians have told them.
This trillion-dollar glasses is on most people's eyes.
Maybe Iran gets talked about 15 times more than Indonesia, but people honestly know just as little about Iran as they do about Indonesia.
>>393370
>>393374
As I said, it was a passive false flag.
>>393371
Kinda feel bad for him. He wants to do something, but he doesn't really know how to do it.
>>393376
>>393380
Take this as a piece of advice from me:
In this war, both sides are censoring their own losses, so it's really hard to say who's actually taking the bigger hit, maybe Iran, maybe israel. But in my opinion, when israel pushes the U.S to get directly involved, it means something serious must have happened that forced israel's hand. I just want to keep that in mind, but I don't want to rush to judgment.
Maybe...
>>393377
Never trust Turks. They can never be truly reliable. That's why Iran prefers Armenia.

>>393384
>no what i meant was that , it would not help iran in any shape or form
Am I even come here to help Iran? Like, how exactly am I supposed to help??
>reality is that the nationalism of the other guy kinda blinded him to accept iran lost with the most casualty and damages
First off, you're the blind one with the garbage sources you follow (yeah, you slipped up below and admitted you watch Iran kikenational).
Second, like I said earlier, I'm not one of those clueless people, I actually try to look at things logically.
When the news is all censored and full of propaganda, you gotta use your damn brain.
When israel pulls the U.S in, and the U.S is rushing to wrap things up just to boost israel, how the hell can you ignore that??
And btw, if reality worked the way your half-baked takes do, Iran wouldn't even exist right now. But people are just living their lives right now.
They've seen so much of this clown show that they're not gonna care about it like we do.
So my question is: What exactly is your reason for being here and saying all this stuff? More shekels, huh???
>iran is like that 1st grader who wants to mess with those 6th grader bullies. of course he will lose
Iran's like that kid who isn't even a student in that school, but climbs over the school wall, lands few punches on the bullies inside, then bounces right back out the same way.
Those bullies? They can't leave the school to chase him, and they've got no clue when he'll show up again.
That's a better analogy.
Iran's never played by the book(in history), and it's never gonna fit into your classic cookie-cutter model either.
Why do you think I even made this thread? >>>/mlpol/388764 →
If Iran really followed the "normal structure" everyone keeps babbling about, it should have fallen during the Iran-Iraq war.
So what happened??!
Even back then, there were idiots like you saying the same crap.
And they all forgot the biggest factor: the Iranian people!!!
>other than that , i see it as siding with a government that i hate
If analyzing the war and talking about it(even if it shows israel might be weak) and defending your country without lying about it means defending the regime, then congrats!
You just proved you're a shameless traitor!(If you're not a kike!)
>iran's islamic government is a total imbecile whom only has power against its people
I agree with this too, but when I hear it coming from you, it feels like I'm hearing it from some westernized liberal lefty.
It's kinda pathetic!
>for waste majority of it's existence oppressed us with the excuse that they are helping gaza and islam against israel
No matter how much I hate this regime, I accept their intention behind the regional policy.
This regime had the right idea about placing their own players in the region, and Palestine was just the excuse, just like the U.S put their own players there.
But the politicians were too dumb, plus they couldn't convince their own people about it, and they wiped out all the military efforts, causing many of those players to fall.
Their intention was right, but they didn't have the ability to manage it.
Even if the regime changes, I'll still support this policy.
Btw, why are you so sad that Iran is clashing with Israel??
Don't tell me your shekels are running low?
>which always was a lie
Yeah, it's definitely a lie that Iran is just showing unnecessary sympathy for Gaza and Lebanon and Syria.
If Iran still had its players in place, israel wouldn't have even been able to start this war, something you don't wanna admit, cause then you wouldn't get your shekels.
>they never harmed anyone other than iranians
I'm telling you again, you sound like a liberal lefty, talking like that is just sickeningly obvious!
>>393385
Yeah, maybe in the short term it works, but in the long run, thanks to that trillion-dollar propaganda glasses, people will forget everything israel's done.
And btw, no need to act all neutral and "reasonable" with this post after spewing so much BS and lies.
No need to try, everyone pretty much knows you're a west-worshipping traitor, unless you're just straight-up kike!

>>393401
I don't get why israel spent months planning just to assassinate a few military guys, only for others to take their place right after.
Even if they took out all of them, replacements were ready(and even if those replacements were killed too, there would still be more).
It's weird, felt more like a psychological shock than an actual military one.
Probably meant to trigger some kind of regime change or coup from the inside… but it didn't happen.
Same with the nuclear scientists, it's not like killing them is the same as taking out the two dudes who know the coca cola formula. The nuclear program won't vanish with a few dead scientists.
It was all more of a political and psychological hit than a real operational one.
Lately, people are saying there was supposed to be a coup by some infiltrators, and the plan involved evacuating Tehran and toppling parts of the regime leadership.
Even both reformists and hardliners seem to be hinting at it, like it was some plot that got neutralized.
But if they do know something, why aren't they announcing it?
What's even weirder is that lately some twitter folks (who honestly seem like cyber army guys to me) have been talking about "the next leader of Iran".
(Talking about an assassination? I don't know…)
And out of nowhere, they start floating Rouhani as a candidate!
(If you don't know, he's one of the most hated figures in the whole country, except for a few hardcore reformists.)
It's sketchy as hell, like something was supposed to go down, but didn't(failed).
Even people like Vahid Jalili (a hardliner, VP at IRIB) and Ali Larijani (Khamenei's advisor, a reformist) claimed that meanwhile the media building(IRIB) was hit, it was actually a strike aimed at the meeting of Iran's top 3 branches, apparently israel hit before the officials even got there.
(That's their claim, nothing fully confirmed.)
That's a weird signal…
Right now the regime itself is torn with mistrust, hardliners don't trust each other, reformists don't either(but less than hardliners), and neither side trusts the other.
Looks like Mossad's infiltration did its job: now the system's paranoid about itself.
At this point, honestly, nothing's clear anymore.
>>393402
>esmail ghanaei... i heard a lot of people always calling him a spy , don't know why
I have mostly heard this kind of stuff about Shamkhani.
They say israel intentionally targeted him, not to kill but to wound him, just so the "spy" label gets wiped off and he stays alive.
Honestly though, I find that hard to believe.
If he's gonna get exposed that easily again, what's the point?
If I were in charge of the country, I'd focus more on Raefi Pour.
You probably know about Eli Cohen, well, in my opinion, Raefi Pour is Iran's Eli Cohen.
Out of nowhere, in just 10–12 years, he became a household name.
Some nobody who suddenly got famous.
He took almost every old conspiracy theory and rebranded it with a so-called "islamic" twist, feeding it to the masses, especially zoomers.
He jumps into every issue, and somehow turned into this anti-israel, anti-zionist, anti-holocaust icon.
That kind of extreme positioning is kinda suspicious, even to me.
His Masaf Institute has influence in all kinds of places, nobody really knows where the money comes from, and he himself has financial corruption issues.
He was heavily involved in the recent parliamentary and presidential elections,
and by launching the "Sobhe Iran" front, he stirred up division, even among hardliners themselves.
He's basically become the godfather of the parliament, without ever officially being in politics.
The guy is seriously shady, and now(especially after the ceasefire), he's been spreading division and throwing around accusations.
If I were the regime, I'd be keeping a very close eye on him.
He's really suspicious...
>few day ago , IDF claimed that they called some of the higher ranks in sepah (/irgc) and scared them to join their side so they will not be killed on the later missile/drone fires. i guess these are them huh?
I don't think so.
I've heard this rumor too(about irgc and prison), but only about some lower-level guys, the IDF never contacts high-ranking officials over stuff like this.
Their go-to move is to just eliminate them, not talk. Plus, making contact would leave a trail.
I'm not too sure about the whole thing myself.
I've heard bits and seen a few pics, but honestly? Doesn't seem real to me.
Like, just look at that photo(it's about the prison), as one user said, it looks more like a scene from some Iraj Maleki B-movie than anything serious.
I don't buy it. Feels more like it's meant to stir up confusion.
And let's be real, they've already proven they don't give a damn about anyone's life.
Right now, rumors are flying everywhere, just trying to stir up the Iranian public.
This regime's actually lucky its people are kinda numb to these kinds of games (like the "infiltrator" drama and all these wild claims).
They don't have the patience for that crap anymore.
I don't think israel can easily rile people up at this point.
Also, let this be a reminder:
Whenever a kike is actually getting what he wants, he usually keeps quiet and acts normal. But when you see a kike flapping around and talking too much, that's when you know he's in trouble.
Just it.
>>393431
Interesting!
I don't get why there isn't so little pony or anime-style art about Iran.
Okay, the pony thing I can kinda understand(kinda), but not even a single clear waifu?
For a country with so many otaku and artists, that's just weird.

>>393447
>>393468
>knowing sandniggers as Iranians
After trillions have been spent pushing this dumb view of Iran(trillion-dollar glasses), is just a lame, overused, stupid old joke.
Nope, that wasn't funny....

>>393464
I'll save it. It's cute somehow
>>393465
>it would not matter, if a revolution happens AGAIN
I hope so, but with the way things look now, it's more likely the regime will change through a coup or military occupation, which unfortunately wouldn't be at all popular with the people.
>Iran would be turn friendly toward US , just like the King reign era
I hope if the regime changes, a hostile gov doesn't take over.
Iranians have never truly had deep, bitter enemies among any nation.
>most people here when they see an American or an European , for them it is like they saw an rare beautiful Unicorn senpai , at least the where i live it is that way
Are you living in a cave in Qazvin or what??!
What you're saying is way too unrealistic and so gay.
Honestly, people find east Asians stranger because with those almond-shaped eyes they stand out in a crowd.
But Europeans and Americans? People usually just recognize them by their touristy clothes or their language, which isn't really that weird to most.
You're too weird...
>iranians are so westernized and they value westernoids so so much more cooler , more progressed ,more open minded and more intelligent than them, and does not matter how much propaganda the govs shoves inside them , they always will be like that.
I feel like you are the one blinded by propaganda or delusions!
Why are you spreading such stupid lies??!
Iranians have always been and still are just Iranians living their normal lives, not Eastern, not Western.
Seriously, what exactly does being "western" mean to you (as a westernized)?
What makes you western?
I still don't get this ridiculous mindset of you westernized folks. That's why no one actually supports you.
Also, Iranians respect anyone who has good qualities, whether they're Western, Eastern, or Iranian!
Please, when there's no Iranian left to shut you up here, don't fool non-Iranians or lie to them so they believe your nonsense out of ignorance.
And it seems like the only one desperately trying to prove something here is you!
Btw, if you openly call yourself a westernized ( >>>/mlpol/390044 → ), you don't have the right to preach about whether Iranians are western or not! You have to shut the fuck up about it!
It's like a whore mom generalizing and saying all the people in her country have whore mothers!
Don't generalize your dumb opinions to everyone and don't shield yourself from criticism by saying "at least the where i live it is that way"
Normal people all across Iran don't have this fucking dumb thoughts like yours!
>>393467
Yeah, it's like Russians have some experience with this kind of stuff, that's probably why they catch on quicker.
Glad to see you get it too.
But honestly, this "western 5th column" isn't that HUUUUUGE, they just make a lot of noise online to seem bigger than they really are.
In real life, among regular Iranians (most of whom are apolitical and soft nationalists), they've got zero support.
That's why they stick to cyberspace and try to look relevant by appealing to non-Iranians.
But I'll say it again, that guy is not even a real 5th columnist.
A true 5th column blends in and doesn't get noticed by their own people.
But if even you Americans and Russians can see through him, then clearly he's not up to the task.
Like I said before, he's either some filthy kike, or just a whining sellout.
Nothing special.
>>393469
Alright, now I'm fully convinced you're brainwashed.
First off, most of those countries you named from "the West" either don't even have a proper army, or they're under military control and influence of other powers.
And btw, there's no real unity among Eastern countries either.
I don't know why you think Iran is suddenly part of "the East", or that it has to fully take one side or the other?
The regime sold drones to Russia, sure, but at the same time, it openly spoke in favor of Ukraine's claim over Crimea.
And don't forget, a few years ago it even rejected a proposal that Xi Jinping personally offered to Iran.
This regime is way too arrogant to fully commit to any one side, which is a flaw.
But being one-sided is also a mistake.
Neither "negative balance" nor full-on alignment will help.
Iran can easily establish a smart, balanced positive neutrality, something like what Singapore does.(Yeah, there's too much different between Iran and Singapore situation, but Iran can use this method by some different ways)
It's not that hard to grasp.
Iran is never been a submissive country, it's always wanted to be rebellious and independent.
So it can deal with both sides, something your brainwashed Western head just can't understand.
(Seriously, stop relying on ZOG sources so much.)
Yes, the Shah did some things right, but his one-sided foreign policy was one of the major flaws of his rule.
You're just too dumb to think outside the narrow box they've shoved you into. You're too brainwashed!

>>393470
Marriage with children was an arab cultural practice that islam later heavily restricted(though it didn't completely abolish it, likely to avoid rebellion from some dumb tribal arabs).
But this kind of thing never really became a norm in Iran.
Pedophilia(both before and after islam) was equally rare in Iran.
Iranians have always seen it as disgusting and shameful, and unlike arabs, they never normalized it.
It was only ever tolerated in a few scattered rural areas, and even there, it eventually disappeared.
Right now, Iran's actually struggling with late marriages (people getting married around age 30), which clearly shows that this kind of backward culture isn't present anymore, if it ever was.
Actually, I remember reading a news piece about 2 months ago:
Some pedophile got arrested by the police.
Once people found out who he was, they broke the seal on his locked-up shop and burned it down.
Even though he already had a death sentence, police couldn't even transfer him to prison because the inmates had threatened to kill him themselves as soon as they got the chance.
The public hated him that much.
I don't think there's any other country on earth with this level of anti-pedophile sentiment like Iran.
So yeah, this was never a social norm in Iran, and it never will be.
But for example, one practice that islam did completely wipe out was "khoedoodah", the old Zoroastrian custom of marrying one's own sister or close relatives.
Even back then it was already seen as disgusting by most ordinary people, and islam came in and totally ended it.
So yeah, Iranians have changed a little over time, but thanks to their nature, those changes have mostly been for the better.
And btw, don't you claim to be Armenian??
Then what business do you have speaking on my history and acting like you speak for me??
Even though I know you're not really Armenian, this still has nothing to do with you!
It's none of your business!
>>393471
Now here's someone with a brain.
>>393475
First of all, I'm saying it again, you're speaking for all Iranians as a minority, and you don't even know your own history right...
And btw, who told you all that sword nonsense about the arabs??! Arabs invaded just for conquest and under the name of islam. They neither could nor wanted to force conversions!
They actually preferred non-muslims to stay non-muslims so they could collect huge taxes (jizya) from them. Some arabs even got angry when Iranians converted because that meant less jizya money!
Also, Iranians were still mostly Zoroastrian 100 to 150 years after the arab invasion, which shows that if there ever was any sword forcing conversion, it didn't work on Iranians.
So what really happened? The presence of muslim missionaries, Iranian muslim scholars and thinkers, and voluntary acceptance by Iranians themselves (which was sometimes slowed by arab rulers who lost their positions to Iranian muslims and also lost jizya revenue).
Over the years, Iranians gradually embraced islam.
Anyone who says Iranians were forced into islam by the sword doesn't really know Iranians, just like you, you fucking kike!
>i am the noob
I think you're a noob even at thinking!
>>393480
>You like ponies at least. Even most inhuman kike has some light deeply in heart.
I get your concern about the jews, but when they themselves try to shut off the light, they shouldn't expect us to go along with it.
>I just read about aftermath of recent Azerbaijan-Armenia war...
This might sound like a conspiracy theory, but I think it could have been created by the kikes to cause instability in the region.
>>393482
First of all, he asked about the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, so why did you suddenly link it to the Armenian genocide??
But anyway, let's talk about both.
First, the "Palestinian genocide" is more of a political and ethnic concept than a religious one. Everyone talks about it, Muslims, Christians alike. And just talking about it isn't enough, this is exactly the hypocrisy of Muslims (note: Muslims, not islam!) since almost none of them except Iran actually do anything.
So this issue doesn't really relate to the Armenians and hypocrisy, گوز رو به شقیقه ربط نده!
Many of those Palestinians are Christians who are also being persecuted. If you don't care, then you're the one showing Christian hypocrisy! (Again, note: Christians, not Christianity!)
You yourself mentioned Armenians and Kurds, so it's more about ethnicity and pan-turkism than islamic concepts (they really didn't kill them because of islam, otherwise, why kill the Kurds too?).
Also, let's talk about the genocide of the Armenian ancestors (though your ancestors were Khazars, kike!).
Germany armed the Turks, meaning a Christian country indirectly took part in the Armenian massacre.
(Btw, since you're a Hitler lover, Hitler later called the Armenian genocide a successful cleansing operation and was inspired by it for the kikes. So instead of condemning it, he kind of praised it!)
The British, French, and Americans just settled for simple condemnation and through their silence and inaction showed they were basically okay with the Armenian slaughter.
So what is that?? Don't you call that Christian hypocrisy?? (Again, note: Christians, not Christianity!)
So next time before you shove the history in our faces, read it properly yourself. You who think you're such a historian, with the hypocrisy the west showed you, shouldn't you be anti-western? Then why are you so Westernized??!
And also, even if we assume, just hypothetically, that you are Armenian, you're wrong to insult the Muslim Iranian people who have given you refuge and live peacefully with you. How ungrateful you are! (Of course, I know you're not Armenian, real Armenians are honorable, polite, and grateful people. You're not!)
>>393483
Bro, are you sick in the head or what?

>>393486
Your point could be both right and wrong.
Israel might want that, but I don't think the U.S wants to destabilize Iran, at least not based on its Rimland strategy.
That said, you're totally right that one-sided alignment with the west would hurt Iran. There has to be balance.
Advice:
Don't bother arguing with that westernized, he's never gonna accept what you say anyway.
>>393487
>ISIS is when after iran's revolution
before that iran was a british shill and a secular country
So what does that have to do with what he said? ISIS had nothing to do with Iran specifically, it was mostly about the region itself. Israel needed a force to weaken its neighboring countries.
>i don't understand why would the west try to start a coup...
The West literally had no idea what was going to happen. The Americans themselves were divided over whether the Shah should go and a new gov come, or if they should keep the Shah and suppress the opposition. In a way, yeah. You could say they were both stupid and not stupid.
>anyway i am bergaining , what i want to say is that...
Oh shit, here we go again!
>iran definitely would become a secular after the islamic opperassion
Most likely, yes, but the lifespan depends on where it falls between being radical secular and positive secularism.
What's important is that you basically can't make Iranian society godless. Reza Shah tried to do that, and that was one of the reasons for his quick three-day downfall.
This had nothing to do with the akhonds, who at that time were almost like jews in Nazi Germany among the people. It was the people themselves who couldn't tolerate godlessness, even if society appeared that way on the surface.
People also make mistakes and later change their minds. Now, if some are anti-religion, after a regime change and the establishment of, say, a secular regime, many of them would change their beliefs and realize they were wrong, just like many who participated in the 1979 revolution.
>i see so many people in my area with Ahura mazda necklaces (zarthurustrian) and Cross necklaces which they are not born in those religions
First off, please tell me exactly where you live, because I'm almost convinced you're in a parallel universe.(If you're not in israel)
But anyway, let me point out two things:
About the cross, most zoomers who wear it just do it for the aesthetic or to look cool. And I'd bet money that if you told them it makes them look christian, they would say they had no idea it could even mean that.
As for the Faravahar, wearing it isn't really about religion. It's more of a national or nationalist symbol than a purely Zoroastrian one. Most people who wear it on a necklace or a ring do it to show national pride, not because they're Zoroastrian.(I have one of them, too. Does it mean I'm Zoroastrian???)
>i can swear to god that amount anti-religions and athism is growing so hard in iran
Bro, you were just saying people are turning to other religions instead of islam, now suddenly you're saying everyone are becoming anti-religion and atheist?
Make up your mind, seriously.
But anyway, even if(and that’s a big if), what you're saying is true, like I said earlier, this kind of thing happens a few generations after a pro-american regime would take over. History shows it clearly: every time you push Iranians too hard in one direction, they start leaning the opposite way, even if it doesn't show right away.
(Just a reminder: the generation that brought about the Islamic Revolution in 1979 was raised under secular Pahlavi rule. And this current secular-leaning generation(as you said) trying to overthrow the regime? They were raised under this extremist theocracy.)
It's like a social magnetic reaction, people naturally push back.
That's why I'd rather see a regime that brings positive secularism along with balanced foreign policy between East and West. That kind of moderation keeps people from swinging too far the other way.
>that hopefully islam will never and ever rise again here
Yeah, why wouldn't a kike want Iranians to not be muslim?
>>393489
Let me put your mind at ease:
Iranian muslims are different from those strict, hardcore sandniggers muslims. They're chill, laid-back, and take things easy. Like they say, Shiraz has both its mosque and its wine.
I think you should go read works by some old Iranian muslim writers like Hafez, Saadi, or Rumi to get to know the Iranian-Islamic culture. I'm pretty sure after that, you'll understand the difference between an Iranian muslim and an arab.
>>393490
>Meanwhile, Avicenna, Omar Khayyam, Ferdowsi, Rumi, Saadi Shirazi, Hafez Shirazi, Al-Razi, Al-Farabi, Ibn Khaldun, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Allama Tabataba’i, Mulla Sadra, Khawaja Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Sheikh Baha’i, Mulla Hadi Sabzevari, Jamal al-Din Asadabadi, Morteza Motahhari, Allameh Jafari, Najm al-Din Kubra, Al-Biruni, Khawaja Rabi’, Zakariya Qazvini, Attar of Nishapur, Asadi Tusi, Nezami Ganjavi, Qa’ani, Mirza Malek Khan, Hakim Jorjani, Ismail Samani, Nasir Khusraw, Sibawayh, Jalal al-Din Homaei, Malek al-Sho’ara Bahar, Qazi Noorollah Shushtari, Abd al-Razzaq Kermani and so on... are reading your post in the afterlife...
I asked chat gpt to name just 35 of them. I think that's enough for you to realize how ridiculous your BS was.

>>393491
You know, there's a saying commonly used by Iranians: if someone picks your pocket in a bazaar full of goldsmiths, it doesn't mean all goldsmiths are thieves.
That's exactly why, despite you claiming to be Armenian(which I personally doubt), your stupidity and dishonor don't make me hate Armenians. I'll say it again: Armenians have admirable qualities, and you are the exact opposite of those. Even if you were Armenian (which you're not), you'd be a disgraced outcast, someone who doesn't even respect his own faith. (Let's not forget that you insulted god, whom you yourself claim to be the father of Jesus Christ!)
And btw, if you're going to use such metaphors, you should first be able to prove that you yourself aren't one of those "wolves" you're referring to. And who decides that? Well, currently, you're the one being seen by others as a westernized and a 5th columnist.
>>393493
This explanation is overly simplified and misses some of the subtleties. That's why I think, when I get the chance, I should really talk about the history, politics, and society of Iran. That way, some misunderstandings and false information might be cleared up.
>>393496
You're absolutely right, that's exactly the point I've been trying to make. But don't let it get to you too much, people with views like his don't even make up 1% of our society. He's active here probably because he can't spout this much nonsense elsewhere without being immediately shut down by Iranians.
I don't understand why some people can't recognize their own identity and fight for it. I have always respected people who fight for who they are, even if I personally dislike them. Whether it's a kike, a sandnigger, a Pan-Turk, a Pan-Kurd, a nigger, a Chinese, Japanese, Korean, European, Russian, American, or Latin, if they stand up for their race or belief, I respect that. That doesn't mean I agree with them, it just means I value dignity. Everyone should take themselves seriously, even your enemy. Because if they do, they become a worthy enemy.
If I were in the shoes of Ukrainians, I'd absolutely want to highlight my Ukrainian identity and fight to end the war quickly so I could return to my homeland. Ukrainians don't need to become European, they need to be Ukrainian. Just as Iranians need to be Iranian. People like him will never understand that.
>>393497
Number of parliament members: 290
Number of Jewish representatives: 1
Is this power??!
The Jewish population in Iran reaches about 10000, and the regime, by giving them one exclusive seat and preventing them from having any other seats, made a smart move to keep the jews under its control (so that, for example, a representative from a certain city who is Jewish would not suddenly appear!).
Also, this small Jewish population, especially after the 1979 revolution, has truly decreased and lost much of its partial influence. They are under strict control and supervision of the gov. Most of them interpret their scripture in such a way that after the destruction of the second temple, jews were subjected to a kind of divine curse and are not allowed to establish a country until the Messiah comes and does it for them. Because of this, they are strongly opposed to zionism and israel (which benefits the regime). And although they cannot hate their own race, the regime neither cares nor do they really have enough influence for it to matter. If one day we say some group had influence in Iran, the jews inside Iran would be among the last options.
So, you didn't make it clear. You just made it dirty.
Thanks to trillion-dollar glasses!
>393539
>also don't forget , khomeini played them...
This statement is mostly accurate. But actually, I think the matter was a bit more complicated, like a kind of discord within coordination, and awareness within ignorance. I can't fully express what I mean without giving a detailed explanation, but I can offer a hint for now: look at the signs.
Take the "Red and Black Colonialism" article, for example. It was published with the Shah's knowledge, yet without awareness of its consequences. Or the attack on the U.S embassy: it happened with Khomeini's awareness, but again, without grasping the fallout.
The West, too, was both aware and unaware in both cases. It was a complex dance of coordination and misalignment that led things to unfold the way they did.
Yes, I think the Westerners were played, the Shah was played, Bazargan was played, and even Khomeini was played. Everyone, while trying to play their own game, got played in return. It's something quite strange… Maybe I'll be able to explain it better later.
>what ukraine has to do with ''atheism'' are you really...
The one who believes they are doomed is, in fact, the one who is doomed, not the one who refuses to believe so.
The fact that you think you're doomed without western thought or that you're doomed with islamic thought shows that you are exactly the one who is doomed!
It's the feeling of weakness that makes it real, while rejecting that feeling, in itself, helps you become stronger.
As that Russian guy also mentioned, based on Ibn Khaldun's theory, the West is on a path of decline and internal conflict (due to the rise of the 4th generation). And you, at this specific point in time, think the West is the solution? Was it a solution for Ukraine? Is it even a solution for itself right now??
Stop pretending not to see the obvious: the truth is, you just don't want to endure hardship for the ideals you claim to believe in, so you prefer to adopt a new ideal and justify your inaction by claiming you're "waiting" for that ideal.(Or maybe you're just trolling, kike)
The world doesn't work like that, dear fool.
>powerful?? bro they are like at best 10 thousand...
Based.

>>393542
<It's a strange feeling when you're replying on someone's post, while he himself are arguing with a person who has mistaken him for me!
>TBH, yes.
If I ignore the rest of the nonsense you said afterward, I agree with this part.
Lack of identity always leads a person to ruin.
>Many of you people lost your way
"Many"??! Bro, those westoxified ideas of his don't even make up 1% of Iranian people. You simply can't fit that level of irrationality and westernized into Iranian society. Even the most pro-western Iranian analysts aren't this extreme.
>to the degree of being transgender tolerant and to show an alarming lust for money, plus you have an identity problem if you look at the west for inspiration.
You're completely out of touch…
First off, aside from a few zoomers, most people here don't even grasp what trans people are. And even the zoomers who do know, it's mostly because of the trans-related news and drama that comes from your side! Nearly all zoomers here actually dislike trans stuff, and generally all that lgbt and woke nonsense.
Even though sex reassignment surgery is legally allowed here, the regime's policy is basically: don't kill them, but don't feed or free them either. It works in a way that makes you regret it. First, after tons of paperwork, long and exhausting counseling sessions, psychiatric assessments, and medical testing, if they finally approve you for transition, then you need to pay a huge amount for the surgery.
And even after you become trans, you basically can't share that openly in society, because the society barely understands what a trans person even is. As soon as people find out you're trans, you start getting slowly pushed aside and socially isolated.
Honestly, there's nothing western about this. In fact, it feels like a kind of natural, structured resistance in society.
(Also, if you think things like "accepting trans people" is a western value, doesn't that backfire a bit? Like, western values used to be noble they were respected by other civilizations. And now? They have been reduced to stuff like "accepting trans people" as a core value? That's kinda tragic.)
And about money, if I ever had worries on that front, this war proved to me I was completely wrong. Iranians truly showed generosity and patience. Except for maybe the first two days of the war, when everyone was in shock and prices briefly spiked due to panic-buying, things quickly settled down. Prices dropped, and there was no mass hoarding.
Many sellers started offering their goods without profit, and a lot of landlords or lenders postponed rent or payments. (Some landlords even waived rent for that month entirely). Unlike westerners(who storm stores and hoard toilet paper the moment something happens), our people didn't behave like that.
Besides buying a few basic items like canned food, bread, oil, and rice, most people didn't overbuy, and there wasn't much panic at all. (In fact, some of those canned goods are still sitting on their shelves now, LoL!)
So keep that nonsense to yourself, seems like you have forgotten which country you're even talking about!
And I'll say it again: this whole "identity crisis" thing is absolute nonsense. People are just living their normal lives and focusing on getting by. This so-called identity crisis is something pushed by a handful of idiot traitors like him, and they don't even make up 1% of this society.
>Islam gives you a framework of morality and civility.
Alright, now I'm certain you have no idea what country you're talking about.
Iran before islam: the Persian Empire.
Iran after islam: the creators of the Islamic golden age, and later Iranian empires like the Safavids, Afsharids and Zand.
We had our own civilization even before islam.
Go say that kind of nonsense to the sandniggers, not to us, silly.
Also, since when has religion created the framework of civilization?
Just like islam didn't bring a new civilization to Iran but instead blended into the already existing Persian culture and structure, Christianity dragged you from the Roman empire into the brutal and ignorant period of the dark ages.
Did Christianity create your civilizational framework?
No! I don't buy that. Because later on, you had the Renaissance, and no new religion arrived then. That shows religion is not necessarily what builds civilization.
Maybe for westerners and arabs, religion played a stronger role, but we remained the same sophisticated civilization we had always been.
And you(after falling into that dark age), had to be pulled out by your enlightenment thinkers(many of whom were inspired by Iranian scholars).
This proves that religion alone doesn't make a people civilized.
>Don't get me wrong, Islam is poison for the West, and in the West must be destroyed together with its people living among us
I don't care whether the west becomes muslim or not. Personally, I prefer quality over quantity. But this nonsense of assigning each religion to a specific ethnicity and declaring it unsuitable for others, doesn't that contradict the very essence of religion itself? If you think kicking muslims and islam out of your country will solve your problems and stop you from acting like a horny nation tearing into each other and the world, I have no issue with that.

>>393542
>Way, way more I'm told, living there for thousands of years and having a grip on most of the economy, they are considered another iranian faction pulling the levers of power.
Can you tell me exactly from whom you heard this? (If it's not just from your ass)
I want to know how people can be brainwashed so easily and ridiculously.
Seriously, you fool! Those damn jews are everywhere! They have been living everywhere for years. It's like saying "there are birds in such and such place". Birds exist everywhere!
It's as if you think that because your government and society are controlled by ZOG, everyone else must be the same?? What a ridiculous delusion! If they were really going to become a faction in Iran, the principlists, the reformists, and other experienced factions would have crushed them before they even reached power!

Honestly, after all the nonsense you just said, I seriously doubt you even know where Iran is. Just know this, Iran is not defined by being western or eastern. It's defined by being Iranian! Once your brain can process that, then maybe you'll be in a position to share your 'insights'.
Looks like you're just another know-it-all who thinks they know everything about Iran after reading few articles and books.
You sound more like a brainwashed puppet wearing trillion-dollar glasses.
>>393547
>bro if you wanna be a traditionalist and fundamentalist just go back to a cave and live there , we humans use to do that
It seems like we've got a proud neoliberal leftist here...
>if you wanna stick into the past , you deserve to be left alone in the past
We are not meant to stick to the past, but history and the past are the guiding lights for the future. درخت روی ریشه اش سبز میشود!
>most of the fucking technology that you are using , PC , Phone , Electricity , Lights (lamps) etc and etc are invented/discovered by westerners. stop being ungrateful
Western philosophers were influenced by ours, and our philosophers by theirs. Their scientists built upon our discoveries, and our scientists built upon theirs. Their inventors learned from our inventions, and our inventors from theirs...
It's an unspoken, mutual, and friendly exchange between civilizations.
Neither did the west become Iranized, nor did Iranians become Westernized.
The essence of science is just that, it belongs to all of humanity and has nothing to do with cultural or political supremacy.
You're acting like a ten-year-old who's just discovered the concept of east and west.
>other than islam's golden era where advancement...
Well, you admit it yourself, so think about it a little!
Exactly when did all these disasters start happening to muslims? From when? Yes, precisely from the time the west decided to suppress them, and some westernized muslims (yes, this is the result of westoxification) opened the door for them to ruin everything, although they never fully succeeded.
Then, the kikes continued their path.
Think about it: do you really think any of this would've happened if there hadn't been westernized muslims? No!
So if you want to return to that golden era, you must stand on your own feet!
Abandoning your ideology is a recipe for ruin.
You can reform and improve your ideology by learning from others, but you can never completely throw it away.
No one will care about you more than yourself.
>cause islam is far from its root and any religion far from its root is considered harmful ideology full of poisonous backward thinkings
Religion itself never becomes corrupt or deviated. It may be the followers who go astray, but the religion itself doesn't change! Islam is still islam, but it was the westernized muslims who ruined it. Saying that islam itself has become entirely corrupt is a lie pushed by ZOG (the trillion-dollar glasses narrative).
>islam never was our religion and never will be our culture
Should the Iranian Mithraists and polytheists have said the same thing when Zoroastrianism arrived? Should the Zoroastrians have said it when Christianity came? And again when Islam arrived?
Religion is a dynamic concept and has nothing to do with race(although foolish kikes love to make it racial).
Even if you are the most racist person in the world, claiming your religion is exclusive to your race just makes you look like a fool.
>our language and culture got fucked by swarming of the arabic beetles to our country by ((force of SWORD))
I have already explained above about this ridiculous "force of sword" claim. Refer to that.
Another lie from the trillion-dollar glasses.
>they don't need to pull of jews in iran so israel can get in power. the prince reza is already a fucking US, britain , israeli shill...
Yes, he's a complete jerk. But don't take it too seriously. He really has no popular support. (I remember that "I give my mandate"(من وکالت میدهم) campaign of his, even though a bunch of idiots with bots and promos worked for him, they couldn't even gather 2 million signatures. That's barely 3% of the population.Even Siamak Ansari would have gotten more support).
Also, as far as I know, one must be born of a Jewish mother to be considered Jewish.
Besides, he's already so old and senile that he can't do anything. He's basically a walking puppet, there's no need to assassinate him.
>>393548
What are you, Dory's cousin or something?? Not even AI is this forgetful! The post you linked literally shows the guy hates kikes.
>>393549
This shows two things:
1: Your backwardness
2: Your ridiculous lack of logic, you're more focused on who said it than what was said.
>>393581
That's partially true. But let's be logical, even the most successful plans the west ever devised for Iran never really went fully as intended. It's as if Iran is that chaotic "Discord-like" part of the scene. I don't entirely blame your politicians: they can't really do much about it
>>393592
Based.

>>393594
>>393595
>Three explosions have occurred in Iran in recent days...
Bro, this isn't just the recent days, it's more like the past few months. Your info is a bit outdated.
>One of the links is from an israeli website, so obviously, its stance when reporting on Iran is already clear.
>The other one is a lying news channel, funded by Saudi sandniggers and fully supported by the kikes, which has clearly shown its bias in this war. It was also the same media outlet that, during the 2019 and 2022 protests, ruined genuine public protests by spreading fake news, leaving behind nothing but a bunch of fools. In the end, it only served to make the opposition look like a bunch of clueless, unpatriotic idiots, all while siding with israel and the sandniggers.
Well then, stop messing around, trash. Honestly, if you were making stuff up from your own ass, it would be a hundred times better than parroting those ZOG-backed channels.
And you're promoting it?
>please follow iran international EN for the recent news about iran
No thanks! I prefer telegram channels, twitter accounts, blogs, and even foreign ZOG-backed news agencies over these ones. At least they can lie a bit less.
This Iran kikenational is no different from the state-run IRIB, except that at least IRIB doesn't lie in favor of the kikes.
GET LOST, ZOG BOT!!!

>>393682
first of all , give me 5 years to read all of them bullshit you wrote
honestly you should become a book writer
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>i DoNt tRuSt iRan iNtErNaTiOnAl cAuCe aNoN I aM sMaRt
it is better than nothing i suppose
when a government ain't crystal clear with its people and keeps lying like a horse to them , well enemy became a better source
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yeah i know they are biased and they be trying to push royalist pro-king agenda but atleast i get some actual news from them
i am pretty sure you antenna and you never watched any satellite channels

>>393674
>i am bitter and angy
look , just tell me what are you suggest?
what do you like exactly?
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i don't like mojahedin-e-khalgh , they are absolute psychopaths
i don't like prince reza , he is an out of shape ugly asshole with average hentai rapist appeal , a rich spoiled kid sleeping with lullaby of her mother singing ''oh ma boi you gonna become the next gooba gooba''
i don't like shia extremist creepy ass mullahs , present is a good WHY for that
Commies are just a no no
Natzis...yeah right like the west world would let us to do that
Social democracy , might be a less painful government which also be a woke ass retardation
fuedalite? no
federal government like USA? i guess having states with their own rules but still following a main law of the Capital would not be a bad idea
==
that is my take on you , what do prefer my iranian senpai?

>>393676
>oh you're armenian? so that means you are not iranian?
born and raise in iran motherfucker , and i am an iranian just like the femboy turks, arabs , mongols etc etc i considered an iranian-armenian
have to put shia in my ID so i won't get bullied and i don't have to go to religious minority schools
so yeah i have to forcefully practice islam
and that is why i have islamic knowledge
but i still prefer baba garyoo christianity
>First of all, he asked about the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, so why did you suddenly link it to the Armenian genocide?
turk is turk who cares , azerbaijan and turkey all of them are the same shit for me
for full years they have been in war with armanis and kurds
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>Muslims (note: Muslims, not islam!)
islam is a violent religion teaching hatred toward non-muslims , it is an aggressive ideology in general
and yes i know islam itself is not a person
but it followers are a bunch of psycho-nuts
yeah i know christians did a lot of horrible things too
but it was a back in the days during the dark age era
and islam is still in that era

>>393680
>It seems like we've got a proud neoliberal leftist here...
i would trans-humanist even tho i don't call myself one , mostly 'cause of trans word in it
i believe human should stop fighting with their own species and go on to advance the technology
we exist on this planet for 50,000 years
we should have been conquered the whole galaxy with that time
but sadly we only advanced technology in recent 100 years
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>we are iranian we created the earth first
now you sound like a sausage indian nationalist who claims they created the first language , which ain't true
>(yes, this is the result of westoxification)
no this the result of falling behind of other countries
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>Should the Iranian Mithraists and polytheist...
why should even allow theocracy??
back in the day those religions were useful
yeah people did not had much brain to do the right things
so they needed to follow someone who is a bit more progressive than them (i don't mean the political way just someone who is ahead of their time)
so i respect zarathustra and muhammed and jesus for that
i agree they were open-minded for their time , and they wanted to change those retards around them
but any religion gets out-dated and after it becomes cruel and traditonal bulshitism

>>393680
also another questions
why the fuck are you siding with islam
what did you saw in it that no one else ever did
islam ain't your culture , stop for fuck sake spending time defending it
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i am not preaching christianity here like at all
yes i follow it dearly but i do in fact accept every criticism against it as well
my fellow brothers did a lot of horrible things when they were in power (mostly catholics tho)
you should accept it as well
islam is a assbackward traditionalist ideology that keeps us in the past and uses guilt to blame us for being what we are ,human , and uses hell and heaven to scares/terrorize us to follow it , just like judaism and christianity

>>392216
>>393148
We finally estimated about 1200-1800 sorties (550-800 strike sorties) during 12-day war. Similar daily numbers to 1999 Serbia bombing but much more selective (no actual attacks against major civilian infrastructure like oil refineries and power plants). Too few data to make any assumptions still. As always, we must wait for real leaks about this war at least 10-20 years.

>>393377
Looks like another kind of media kikery. Just looks at map: the air route over Turkey, then Azerbaijan, Caspian sea just to drop some bomb to Tehran? Too much distance, too much risk. But maybe this is backup route to exit Iranian air space during first day of operation. Or maybe one of fighters take damage/malfunction and been forced to emergency landing in Azerbaijan, like that F-35 in India >>392981

>>393666
>As we know, israel hasn't launched major or widespread attacks on them(in south)
I noticed it too, no serious attacks from sea. Yeah, Iranian has most of air defense near southern shore, but this situation looks quite typical. Our aviation avoid to bomb Ukraine from Black Sea too. Usually 2-4 of our bombers attack from zone, protected by air defence capable to shot down incoming missiles and immediately retaliate. This tactics of Su-34 + Buk/Tor battery + Iskander ballistic missiles pretty damn strong to counter Patriot missiles and harass the launchers. I think kikes used similar tactics with air-based cruise missiles with Starlink TERCOM for fast retaliation strikes.

>>393661
>So my question is this: Isn't it possible that air defense systems are also being sent (to Iran)?
Very possible, but most likely not just launchers and radars, but crews too. This is desired opportunity for both China and Russia to collect information about NATO air force tactics and limitations. But long-range air defense divisions are bulky structures, they need a lot of supply and preparations to be installed as part of Iranian air defense system. They can't be delivered quickly in days like EW-equipment. About 2-6 months I think.

For example some information about USSR S-200 air defense division:
- one radar (used only during launch, external connection for detection)
- 6 launchers on trailers + 36 trucks with munition and equipment (46 trucks/cars total)
- control unit, signal unit, ELINT unit, service units (fuel, supply, repair, kitchen)
- about 800 tonnes cargo (490t vehicles, 140t equipment, 170t munition)
- 82-96 personnel (7-10 officers, 21-26 sergeants, 54-60 soldiers)

American Patriot division have similar structure, as well as Russian S-300 and S-400 (just with truck-based launchers instead of trailers and less personnel because of this). Major problem is preparations of air defense positions: each division need at least 18 positions for 6 launchers with camouflage, engineering works (thousands of manhours), shelters for crew. And a lot of decoys (part of trucks can be used for this).

Also, some details:
- If you see bad video with some truck and explosion without visible crew, with 3/4 chance it's just decoy. Ukrainians used old munition trucks and malfunction missiles for this, they looks just like launchers.
- When you see how Patriot suddenly launch all munition in seconds, it is not to intercept missile, but common tactics to protect crew against direct hit. No munition, no increased risk to personnel in shelter.

>>392362
>Right now, you're talking to someone who's the second best winchester shooter in his native village (the first is my cousin), and since I was 12-13, I've been familiar with ak47.
I have another gift. If situation becomes serious and you or someone of your friends suddenly fount themselves in the role of a officers, take a look at this manuals. This is our anthology of warfare during 2023-2024 period. A lot of real tactical examples, experience of the various units, analysis and professional compilation. But detailed chronology about how drone warfare changes tactics through months is the best part:
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>>393667
>>393676
>(As I write this, you're now involved in a conflict with Azerbaijan.)
>Azerbaijan has never had a good relationship with Iran. Many of israel's attacks came via Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan is practically ZOG.
Yeah, we perfectly know about jewish influence there, even in general public. Currently government arrest not just some diaspora leaders, but Israeli assets with family connections. I said before that then starting to threatening our logistics companies after 16 June. This is retaliation.

>This might sound like a conspiracy theory, but I think it could have been created by the kikes to cause instability in the region.
Actually, I think, this is Russia provoke Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict after color revolution in Armenia. We can help Armenian much more, like before, but there is national traitor party in charge. So, Russia make this war possible to raise nationalism in Armenia, but no one expected fuel blockade and genocide level folly in Nagorno-Karabakh. We expected just 1-2 steps on stair of escalation, but Azerbaijan suddenly makes 10 steps during this war.

Currently situation too serious to ignore. Even if Armenia fail to media kikery and color revolution, they still much closer to Russia than Georgians. As nation they are our friends. As state Armenia is part of Russian area denial strategy (from 1990s Russia maintain exclaves like Kaliningrad, Transnistria, Crimea, Abkhazia, etc) to block NATO expansion and transport routes. I think, if Azerbaijan starts further offensives in Armenia, Russia will stop it, even against our short-term interests, like tempo of Ukrainian war.

Anyway, stable or not, better to not seize this region for both Russia and Iran. There is always better to have few small states between borders of our countries to prevent future conflicts. I don't expect military campaign, Russia not ready to finish Ukrainian war before strategical breakthrough, and our reserves prepared to possible happening in Kazakhstan. Besides we have mountain ridge between Russia and Azerbaijan and fast military operation like our 2008 Georgian war will be very tricky to try again in decade of drone warfare.

Finally, Iran can block Azerbaijan entirely, if it begins to threaten Caspian sea route. I heard Iran have about 150k army in north-west military district, bases and logistics long ago prepared for this campaign. But this is not necessary. From our perspective Azeri elites looks opportunistic, but clever, like typical mafia group. They cares mostly about money and image during their expansionism period, so threat to their economy will be enough. They are not ready to die for Israel in hopeless war.

>>393682
Also, 15k words! My esteem. As a humble nonfiction writer, I seriously expected that you will make a book one day. You are truly Russian level autistic, Iranian bro.

>Tucker Carlson interviews President of Iran Masoud Pezeshkian
[YouTube] Tucker Carlson Interviews President of Iran Masoud Pezeshkian [Embed]
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Maybe useful or interesting

>>393792
This is probably one of the mildest and least radical opinions among the current political class of the regime, a passive and non-radical reformist. Even within his own party, he wasn't considered the top choice for the presidential candidacy, but due to a number of complex reasons, he ended up being the only one who could run.
Not a big deal,
but more than nothing...

The nothing ever happens chuds were right again.

>>393795
better than a world war happen or for you better than usa get involved (fully involved od course)
>>393792
so you decided to show up huh?
still haven't answered any of my quez you mullah's dick sucking clown

>>393804
No, I haven't had time to write all of them yet.
You know how much I write.
And btw, before accusing me of this nonsense, answer the questions I asked you in the texts I sent earlier.
Don't think I forget.

>>393795
Just two more weeks to deport all of the Mexicans before the USA can risk the civil unrest brought about by entering a war. Don't worry, it's still happening. Donald just needs time. He is monitoring the situation.

>>393795
جوجه رو آخر پاییز میشمرن
Oh, btw, in that same episode of sponge bob from which you sent the meme, that same Mr.Krabs (chud) ends up losing all his money in the end...

>>393805
>answer the questions I asked you
which one? i don't see any exclamation mark
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btw the only reason that i am mad at you is only because you said you side with government when a foreign country attacked
that pissed me off , cause that is what they want
both nethan-yahoo and noon khamei need fear mongering and hatred toward another country to stay in power
i hate both of them , but one of them lives closer to me
don't mistake your enemy
هیچ شیری خانه چوبی را خراب نمی کند
مرا این صدای موریانه های داخل می ترساند
also most of our governors are idf/mossad spies anyway
so same thing

>>392216
Uranium enrichment in Iran.

Natural uranium has 0.72% U-235 isotope, weapon grade uranium needs 90% U-235:
- 150 kiloton nuke needs 25 kg U-235 (30% energy conversion, 1940s implosion design or 1960s neutron initiator)
- 25 kg U-235 = 7 tons natural uranium = 14 000 tons 0.05% uranium ore from Saghand mine (6.64 TJ energy to extraction, 1-1.4 million USD)
- 25 kg U-235 = 6000 SWU (separative work units) = 2 years work for 9+3+1 cascades of 2132 IR-1 gas centrifuges (2.16 TJ energy to separation, about 0.9 million USD)
- Saghand mine --> Yazd milling plant --> Isfahan conversion facility --> Natanz enrichment facility --> Fordow
I expected 10% loses during process and take this into account.

Modern uranium enrichment process is complex but cheap:
- Uranium ore --> leeching (sulphuric acid) --> yellowcake (Uranium dioxide)
- Yellowcake --> Conversion facility (fluorine) --> uranium hexafluoride
- Uranium hexafluoride --> heating (gas after 56.5°C) --> separation (gas centrifuges)

To separate part of 0.72% U-235 from 99.283% U-238 in uranium hexafluoride centrifuge should have >1200 rotations per second. This is why rotors are narrow. Long rotors increases separation factor, but sequences of short centrifuges more energy effective and failproof than cascade of bigger ones. Cascades of hundreds small centrifuges more suitable for 70-80% separation of 0.72% U-235, but cascade of bigger ones can separate weapon grade uranium 5-10 times faster.

Russian design prefer short 0.7-1 meter 4-8.5 SWU subcritical centrifuges with extremely long 30 year lifespan and 0.1% malfunction chance yearly. There is no mechanical parts inside, only vacuum around rotor, two Alnico magnets and yelling needle on the corundum foundation. Just imagine hundreds of thousands batponies constantly singing "EEEEEEEeeee!" this is audible experience of Russian enrichment plant. European Urenco prefer multi-segment 3.65 meter long 40-80 SWU overcritical centrifuges (this means that they crossed resonance threshold), they are silent ones. They are still worse that Russian design in term of unit cost and weight, mass production, energy efficacy and safety reasons, but fast developing and theoretically better than subcritical ones. For Iran the subcritical centrifuges is better choice, they are invulnerable to earthquakes and better suited to underground facilities.

Iranian centrifuges:
- IR-1 -- 330 m/s, 1.5 SWU (1.66 SWU - Salehi, 1 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-2m -- 550 m/s, 6.9 SWU (2-3 SWU - unknown, 5 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-2m -- 700 m/s, 4.5-6 SWU (×3-4 times better than IR-1 - Salehi)
- IR-3 -- ??? m/s, ??? SWU (10 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-4 -- ??? m/s, 5 SWU (3 SWU - unknown, 5 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-6 -- 700 m/s, 5.25-6.7 SWU (6 SWU - unknown, 10 - Salehi)
- IR-8 -- overcritical, 16 SWU (16-24 unknown, 20 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-9 -- overcritical, 50 SWU (50 SWU - Salehi)

In 2021 Salehi said that before 2014 Iran uses only IR-1 centrifuges for enrichment. Iranian IR-1 similar to Pakistan P-1, oldest Zippe-type centrifuge Urenco design, but Abdul Qadeer Khan simplified this design significantly, because lack of European spare parts. My colleague found 1996 Russian government order to customs service about cases of centrifuges and corrosion-resistant tubes for cascades. In 2011 Iran tried to buy 100k Ferroxdur 360 magnets for 50k IR-1 centrifuges through Chinese middleman. Chinese centrifuges initially is copies of Russian ВТ-33Д 1984 design. Iranian IR-6 (200×1100 mm carbon fiber rotor) pretty similar to Russian ВТ-25 1997 design by characteristics but looks different, because of aluminum case.

Russian gas centrifuge ВТ-33Д 1984 design has enrichment capacity 5 SWU/year with 30 Watt motor inside. Usually centrifuge never stop working, therefore motor energy consumption is 190 MJ/SWU. I check the whole plants electricity consumption and found 360 MJ/SWU. For Rosatom enrichment prime cost about 30 USD/SWU (20% electricity). For Urenco in 2023 full cost 160 USD/SWU (5-8% electricity). During 1980s Russian Ural Electrochemical Combine with whole centrifuge equipment research + production and 12M SWU/year facility with about 3 millions ВТ-7 and ВТ-33Д gas centrifuges and with production about 100k centrifuges yearly has 12.2k personnel (2k in enrichment facility with 30-50% administration). So, 1 SWU maintenance = 0.3 manhour. New Urenco enrichment plant project for Georges Besse II has 1.7 billion USD budget during 2023-2030 and 1000 construction workers to enlarge capacity from 7.5M to 11M SWU, which means less than 300 USD/SWU equipment and 3.8 manhours/SWU to construction and installation.

IR-1 centrifuge:
- Cost less than 500 USD.
- 0.5 manhours/year maintenance.
- 6 manhours construction + installation.
- <10% malfunctions per year (IAEA report about 800-900 replacements yearly)
- 2 SWU in theory (330 m/s, 10-11 cm rotor, 2 m length, 4 segments, 0.5 SWU per segment)
- 1.5 SWU in cascade (my estimations from IAEA reports for Natanz facility during 2009-2013)
- Weight between 50-100 kg (breakage prone aluminium rotor in aluminum case)
- Two ring magnets Ferroxdur 360 (barium ferrite)
- Maraging steel needle on corundum base.
- Pito tubes with gas separating nozzles.
- Electric motor 20-30 Watts.

In 2019 Salehi said that Iran finish rotor production plant and can produce 60 IR-6 centrifuges daily (18k yearly, 100k SWU/year). Overall, If Iran can produce hundreds of state of art ballistic missiles with ±15-30 meter accuracy, gas centrifuges is not a problem at all.

>>392216
>>393824
Iranian enrichment plants and results of bombardment.

Centrifuges work in cascades. For example, South African plant was designed to produce Uranium-235 in three steps:
- Two cascades, C1 and C2, consisting of 1968 centrifuges each, would in parallel enrich natural uranium to 3.5%;
- The HC-01 cascade, consisting of 1312 centrifuges, would enrich the 3.5% material to 20%;
- The HC-02 cascade (456 centrifuges) would enrich the 20% material to 60% enrichment;
- The HC-03 cascade (128 centrifuges) would produce the final product, 90% enriched.
Total 3864 centrifuges.

In this example external C1 and C2 cascades can works openly, but for further enrichment better to use hidden secured place for cascades HC-01/02/03. Cascade design is hardest part, most of energy efficacy depends on it. Russian Theory of Cascades recommends multilayer racks in kilometer long halls with hundreds of thousands centrifuges. As subcritical ones they are resistant to sabotage: units are dirty cheap and mass produced, any damage can be fixed in weeks. There is no dangerous radiation from natural and 3.5% uranium-235 and uranium hexafluoride can be easily sweeped by vacuum cleaner.

Iranian Natanz facility (PFEP) represent external cascades to produced low enrichment uranium. Inside we can see U-shaped tunnel and 2 cavernous halls 23 meters bellow ground, 2×3000 square meters, place for 47 000 centrifuges. According to the International Atomic Energy Agency, before the strike Iran was operating over 6000 IR-1, 6500 IR-2m, 4000 IR-4 and over 3000 IR-6. Most of them works in Natanz facility to produce 3.37% U-235, then product was transported to Fordow plant (FFEP) with underground space about 10k square meters to further enrichment.

Cascade equipment:
- Cost less than 100k USD.
- <100 manhours/year maintenance.
- <1000 manhours construction + installation.
- 164 IR-1 centrifuges connected in 15-stage cascade (246 SWU)
- blue tubes -- for depleted uranium tails (Russian classification)
- red tubes -- for enrichment uranium (Russian classification)
- yellow tubes -- for raw uranium (Russian classification)
- heating elements over centrifuges (for separation)
- cooling tubes under centrifuges (for separation)
- autoclave (+60-100°C heating) for uranium hexafluoride
- cooling trap (-70°C freezer) for uranium hexafluoride
- air-conditioner (15000 Btu/h, 16 MJ/hour)
- vacuum pump
- gas pump
- accumulator
- 10 kW diesel generator
Overall this is kilometer long system of corrosion-resistant tubes.

Each of two Natanz hall has place for 23 500 centrifuges, most of them installed in hall A with volume about 18k m³. Hall shape presumably 120×25×6 meters, but for simplification let's represent it as sphere with 16 meter radius and 3200 m² surface. Bomb has 14 tons mass with 2.5 ton explosives, this means up to 2.3M fragments from explosion and 720 fragments/m² of sphere surface.


Pressure of shock wave::
Rp = R/(2 × K × M × E)^(1/3)
p = 7/3 × ((1 + (Rp^3))^(1/2) - 1)^-1
Rp – radius coefficient
R – radius (distance to the center of explosion)
К – surface coefficient (0.6 - soil; 0.95 - concrete)
М – explosive mass (2432 kg)
E - explosive TNT equivalent (1.9 - AFX-757)
p – shock wave pressure (kPa);
16 meters from explosion:
7/3 × ((1 + (16 / (2 × 0.95 × 2423 × 1.90) ^ (1/3)) ^ 3) ^ (1/2) - 1) ^-1 = 11 kPa (contusion)
10 meters from explosion:
7/3 × ((1 + (10 / (2 × 0.95 × 2423 × 1.90) ^ (1/3)) ^ 3) ^ (1/2) - 1) ^-1 = 42 kPa (destruction)


Two bunker busting bombs surely can destroy the both halls of Natanz plant and most of centrifuges. About 20 tons of hexafluoride may be messed with debris, but can be easily extracted. Economical losses up to 9 millions USD and less than 100k manhours construction works and installation. About 2 months works for engineering battalion. Centrifuges can be replaced in a 6 months. Iranian defense budget is 2.2% GDP, about 35 billion USD (34% IRGC, 13% regular military, 7% Defence ministry). IRGC can repair Natanz facility just with 1/100 of monthly budget.

I think Natanz facility just demonstrative object for IAEA watchdogs. There is why:
- Minimal effective plant to make 3.5% product is 12 cascade configuration of 1968 centrifuges.
- Minimal effective plant to make 90% product from 3.5% material is 3+1 configuration of 656 centrifuges.
This variant can extract 70% U-235 from natural uranium and enrich to 90% with 10% losses.

First stage can be easily hidden somewhere, like trucks inside underground parking, small warehouse, containers inside cargo ship. There is very simple installation: just 1.2 million USD, 250 meters space, 120 kW generators, 5 tons/year uranium hexafluoride, ×2 normal radiation level, 2 operators, few guards. There is no economical sense to bomb this installation, it can be replaced too easily. But for further stages of enrichment possible to detect uranium traces by UAV with sniffer, better to use safe place like Fordow or some old mine.

Fordow centrifuge halls can't be damaged by any conversational weapon. Natanz can be replaced by smallest facilities. Most important and vulnerable site is Isfahan conversion plant.

>>392216
>>393825
Iranian uranium stocks and mining

Most of uranium trade strictly controlled by USA and EU, because of reactor requirements, insufficient mining and Rosatom dumping during 1993-2014 HEU-LEU 'Megatons to Megawatts' agreement. After 2016 China began to buy up all available stocks for their enrichment facilities and nukes. Uranium market aren't free, otherwise prices will be 2 times higher then current 100-200 USD/kg.

Iranian stocks:
- From South Africa in 1970s (600 tons, main source of 2007-2015 enrichment)
- Yazd province: Saghand, Narigan, Zarigan uranium mines (5k tons, 70t/year)
- From Kazakhstan in 2010 (1350 tons, unconfirmed)
- From Kazakhstan in 2017 (650-950t, unconfirmed)

For Iran bad situation in international market combined with mediocre situation with uranium mining. Unlike North Korea Iran does not have suitable uranium deposits for long run, though Yazd province deposits still better one in Middle East.

I found some information about Saghand mine:
>In 1995 a contract was made with Atomredmetzoloto - a Russian company - for feasibility study, basic and detailed design of a plant producing annually 50 tones of uranium as oxide using anomaly 2 of Saghand mine. Russian experts made experiences in laboratory, bench and pilot scales in Tehran and Moscow on samples from core of the mine. Finally in 1996 they completed the design and submitted documents in different parties. On the basis of this design annually 120,000 tons of ore with an average concentration of 553-gr/ton of uranium processed by acid leaching and resin in pulp method.
>The former predicted site for constructing uranium mill was beside the mine of Saghand but because of some reasons like the lack of reliable resources of water to feed the plant, high expenses of supplying electrical power, the cost of constructing of living area for employees due to the far distance of site to the nearest urban area and finally the problem of employing efficient personnel was not recognized suitable and selecting a new site was inevitable. For this reason some places in Yazd and Isfahan provinces were studied and considering factors like ease of transporting ore from mine, availability of water, electricity, telephone and no need of constructing the living area also considering local and social condition of site ultimately the new site was selected 35 km north of Ardakan city by the of Isfahan-Chadormaloo railroad.

The Saghand mine was opened in 2013. Production is 60 tons yearly, deposit 775 tons, depth 350 meters, acid leeching method. Saghand mine barely working before 2021, but then excavation activities increased significantly. Apparently Iran has other sources of uranium before 2021.

Connections:
- Bolivia (news from 2010)
- Zimbabwe (news from 2010)
- Namibia (Rossing mine, Rio Tinto company)

Soviet uranium ore dumps:
- Kazakhstan (200Mt ore, 56kt uranium)
- Kyrgyzstan (55Mt ore, 15kt uranium)
- Tajikistan (50Mt ore, 14kt uranium)

USSR ore dumps in Middle Asia possible main source for smugglers. Ore with 0.25% uranium after 80% extraction still has 0.05% uranium. Most of dumps better than modern ores like 0.027% from Rossing or 0.05% from Saghand. This dumps can be re-extracted with >200 USD/kg uranium price, but Rosatom dumped prices and uses situ leach method with still good Kazakhstan mines. Besides, all uranium transfers more than 500 kg is strictly controlled.

Smuggling prices about 300-600 USD/kg in 2010s (unconfirmed). Iran has 1.75 trillion USD GDP (PPP). I think 0.01% GDP or 175M USD possible to use for this kind of operations. With 300-600 USD/kg cost Iran can buy 290-580 tons/year, 4-8 times more than mining, but just 0.3-0.7% of uranium ore dumps. Although the transportation of 0.9-2.1Mt dumps yearly (few hundreds of trucks daily) should left some traces in local news, but I didn't found any in 1990-2017 period.

Main problem is not enrichment, but uranium sources. Even with 600 USD/kg uranium price Iran can buy 7 tons natural uranium for one nuke by 4.2 million USD and enrich it by 0.9 million. Overall 150kt nuke cost for Iran from 2 to 6 millions. Iran can make 30 nukes/year by 0.1% of GDP (with 180k SWU enrichment capacity), but only 10 nukes/year with own uranium sources.

Especially for /mlpol/. 200 manhours work of small organization. Not our theme, very scarce information, but industrial level autism can breach any barriers.

Some weekly kino. Houthis sink two more ships.

Magic Seas:
https://files.catbox.moe/961gl1.mp4
Eternity C:
https://files.catbox.moe/jg7518.mp4

>>393917
B-but the US Navy already defeated the Houthis. Trump said so.

>>393810
hey you alive bro?
they unfiltered this site again

There is a possibility of a great protest or even a great attempt to revolution in Iran
Because due to constant power outage and water supply is being cut off by the government
And also Israel may attack Iran again
they gave ultimatum again. i think about 26 days left
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If you see I won't post anymore, the reason either my government cut off my internet or i am dead for real this time
The first thing they do is to cut off people's internet

>>394714
before i became iranian , i should have thought more about it

>>394714
>>394715
Keep safe lad.

>>394716
thanks /) , i appreciate it

>>394718
Have an Aryanne to take with you for luck. It's not perfect, but I'm still learning.

>>394760
And like an utter retard I forgot to attach the image, so have another one as compensation.

>>394763
it is okay bro , i love it
she may keep all of safe from jews and gryphs

>>394829
I'll work on a shower room scene if you'd like.