>Iran warns of ‘proportionate’ response as IAEA mulls censure
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/10/iran-warns-against-iaea-pressure-israel-attack-as-more-us-talks-loom
>Trump tells Netanyahu to end Gaza war and stop Iran threats, source says, as US ramps up pressure on Israel
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/11/middleeast/us-ramps-up-pressure-as-trump-tells-netanyahu-to-end-gaza-war-and-stop-threatening-iran-intl
>Iran Threatens Israel's Nuclear Sites as Trump Blocks Strike Plan
https://www.newsweek.com/iran-israel-nuclear-strike-retaliation-us-donald-trump-2083769
>Iran tests advanced 2-tonne ballistic missile warhead
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/514209/Iran-tests-advanced-2-tonne-ballistic-missile-warhead
>U.S. to Withdraw Diplomats From Iraq Amid Iran Tensions
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/11/us/politics/iran-us-iraq-diplomats-middle-east.html
>'Iran will react strongly': Araghchi warns Europe over looming resolution
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/514214/Iran-will-react-strongly-Araghchi-warns-Europe-over-looming
I think it's a good idea to start the war thread before the war actually starts.
Post anything related to the Iran-Israel war here.
It looks like the war is actually going to be serious this time (Iran has never admitted to having nukes this openly before. That means this time is different...)
We have said this a thousand times before, but here comes time number one thousand and one: It's happening...!
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Trump seems unwillingly to enter this war during his term, but what I'm concerned about is that Israel might be setting the stage for whoever replaces Trump to fight Iran in 3 years.
>>392217
>fight Iran in 3 years
If America got involved, it is guaranteed that all American bases around will go in flames as America's air defenses are junk.
>fight Iran in 3 years
If America got involved, it is guaranteed that all American bases around will go in flames as America's air defenses are junk.
Orange Man has a good opportunity to rebuild patriotism and the military with this LA Rent-a-riot happening and expanding.
I'm not sure what to expect, but it sure is inconvenient for international rumblings to happen when dealing with local disturbances.
I'm not sure what to expect, but it sure is inconvenient for international rumblings to happen when dealing with local disturbances.
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Iranian anon reporting in. I'm going to drop a few thoughts for you since some place's been swarming with certain flag-posting shills lately:
First off, this time it's different.
Even orange man himself admitted that Iran's gotten way more aggressive and less compromising in negotiations. That should raise a few eyebrows. This isn't the usual "pls sanction less" Iran anymore, they're clearly gearing up for something.
Personally? I'm pretty convinced Iran already reached nukes a couple years ago, Maybe 2-3 years back.
What you're seeing now, the talks, the posturing, it's just copium and time-buying while they finish up logistics: hardening bunkers, relocating stockpiles, maybe deploying payloads. Standard chess moves.
Here's the blackpill though:
Iran has no real allies.
Unlike Israel, which has the US as its attack dog (and emotional support animal), Iran's only "partners" are Russia and China, both cold, opportunistic players. It's not friendship. It's "enemy-of-my-enemy" pragmatism at best.
Russia? Has backstabbed Iran in the past. Voted against us in the UN, took an anti-Iran stance on the Persian Gulf islands, and is still playing footsie with tel aviv. If Iran were a real ally, we would see boots on the ground(like North Korea) in ukraine, not just drones. But nah, it's all transactional. We sell them some toys, they say thanks, and that's it. Zero ideology in common!
China? Even worse!
Pure npc economic logic. They don't care about Iran's existence. They'll trade with whoever lines their pocket, saudi, Israel, Iran, doesn't matter. If war breaks out and they have to pick sides, they'll side with whoever their wallet says is more profitable.
So yeah, I won't be shocked if one day I see not just Israeli and american soldiers, but maybe indirect russian or chinese signatures in the mix! Global politics is a clown show and Iran's standing solo on the stage.
Now about 4chan itself:
These past few days, the board's been flooded with flag shills, many obviously waving blue-and-white flags (and some pretending not to), spamming anti-Iran threads and trying to frame the narrative. Sad truth is, thanks to Iran's (akhond's) censorship and the fact that 4chan's anti-vpn filters are brutal, you barely see Iranian anons active here. And those "chosen" shills know it. They're exploiting the silence to spread their narrative unchecked.
Still, I've seen some of you call them out. Based. Keep doing that.
Look, I'm not asking you to simp for Iran. I know most of your governments are cowardly and you'll probably get dragged into another war you didn't ask for. But at least, don't buy into the lies!
Don't become another glowie tool helping tel aviv propaganda.
I'm no fan of Iran's domestic policies, in fact, I oppose almost everything of what the mullahs are doing inside. But on foreign policy, especially regarding Israel? That's one of the few areas where I see eye to eye with them.
And yeah, if push comes to shove and war erupts, I'm not gonna sit this one out. I'm ready to stand up, not for a regime, but for something bigger.
Not because I love mullahs, but because I love my country and I love to finally get revenge on those faggots, who have fucked a lot of civilizations in history. I’d love to finally put a bullet in one of their heads.
If one day I see your boots across the battlefield, I won't hate you for it. This is a game of elites, not people like us. If you shoot me, I'll understand. Just remember: you should understand if I shoot back.
P.S On a technical note:
Anyone got tips on posting from Iran? Even my paid vpn is throwing errors on 4chan. Can't post anything. I'm not very techy (more of a chem guy than it), so I'd appreciate a simple workaround if you have one.
Any Iranian anons lurking who solved this? Give me some wisdom.
P.S2: Somehow, I'm feeling so faggot, that I used ai, but I didn't find anything else good for Iran vs Israel...
First off, this time it's different.
Even orange man himself admitted that Iran's gotten way more aggressive and less compromising in negotiations. That should raise a few eyebrows. This isn't the usual "pls sanction less" Iran anymore, they're clearly gearing up for something.
Personally? I'm pretty convinced Iran already reached nukes a couple years ago, Maybe 2-3 years back.
What you're seeing now, the talks, the posturing, it's just copium and time-buying while they finish up logistics: hardening bunkers, relocating stockpiles, maybe deploying payloads. Standard chess moves.
Here's the blackpill though:
Iran has no real allies.
Unlike Israel, which has the US as its attack dog (and emotional support animal), Iran's only "partners" are Russia and China, both cold, opportunistic players. It's not friendship. It's "enemy-of-my-enemy" pragmatism at best.
Russia? Has backstabbed Iran in the past. Voted against us in the UN, took an anti-Iran stance on the Persian Gulf islands, and is still playing footsie with tel aviv. If Iran were a real ally, we would see boots on the ground(like North Korea) in ukraine, not just drones. But nah, it's all transactional. We sell them some toys, they say thanks, and that's it. Zero ideology in common!
China? Even worse!
Pure npc economic logic. They don't care about Iran's existence. They'll trade with whoever lines their pocket, saudi, Israel, Iran, doesn't matter. If war breaks out and they have to pick sides, they'll side with whoever their wallet says is more profitable.
So yeah, I won't be shocked if one day I see not just Israeli and american soldiers, but maybe indirect russian or chinese signatures in the mix! Global politics is a clown show and Iran's standing solo on the stage.
Now about 4chan itself:
These past few days, the board's been flooded with flag shills, many obviously waving blue-and-white flags (and some pretending not to), spamming anti-Iran threads and trying to frame the narrative. Sad truth is, thanks to Iran's (akhond's) censorship and the fact that 4chan's anti-vpn filters are brutal, you barely see Iranian anons active here. And those "chosen" shills know it. They're exploiting the silence to spread their narrative unchecked.
Still, I've seen some of you call them out. Based. Keep doing that.
Look, I'm not asking you to simp for Iran. I know most of your governments are cowardly and you'll probably get dragged into another war you didn't ask for. But at least, don't buy into the lies!
Don't become another glowie tool helping tel aviv propaganda.
I'm no fan of Iran's domestic policies, in fact, I oppose almost everything of what the mullahs are doing inside. But on foreign policy, especially regarding Israel? That's one of the few areas where I see eye to eye with them.
And yeah, if push comes to shove and war erupts, I'm not gonna sit this one out. I'm ready to stand up, not for a regime, but for something bigger.
Not because I love mullahs, but because I love my country and I love to finally get revenge on those faggots, who have fucked a lot of civilizations in history. I’d love to finally put a bullet in one of their heads.
If one day I see your boots across the battlefield, I won't hate you for it. This is a game of elites, not people like us. If you shoot me, I'll understand. Just remember: you should understand if I shoot back.
P.S On a technical note:
Anyone got tips on posting from Iran? Even my paid vpn is throwing errors on 4chan. Can't post anything. I'm not very techy (more of a chem guy than it), so I'd appreciate a simple workaround if you have one.
Any Iranian anons lurking who solved this? Give me some wisdom.
P.S2: Somehow, I'm feeling so faggot, that I used ai, but I didn't find anything else good for Iran vs Israel...
>>392238
It looks like that's the plan all along. If not, why Israel sent 30 patriot batteries to Ukraine?
It looks like that's the plan all along. If not, why Israel sent 30 patriot batteries to Ukraine?
>>392216
>It looks like the war is actually going to be serious this time
Things have started to roll. Fasten your seat belts.
>It looks like the war is actually going to be serious this time
Things have started to roll. Fasten your seat belts.
>>392234
>We sell them some toys, they say thanks, and that's it.
Not true. When the UN sanctions ended, Russia begun upgrading Iran's air defenses, delivery of trainers for fighting jets because selling MIGs is now allowed, and facilitate to doge sanctions on some Iran's oil exports. Also an agreement on mutual military assistance was signed.
>Here's the blackpill though
Iran is infiltrated to the core with a pro-western 5th column and it is expected sabotage actions and assassinations to increase.
>We sell them some toys, they say thanks, and that's it.
Not true. When the UN sanctions ended, Russia begun upgrading Iran's air defenses, delivery of trainers for fighting jets because selling MIGs is now allowed, and facilitate to doge sanctions on some Iran's oil exports. Also an agreement on mutual military assistance was signed.
>Here's the blackpill though
Iran is infiltrated to the core with a pro-western 5th column and it is expected sabotage actions and assassinations to increase.
>>392250
Well, that's fair. What I said earlier was specifically in the context of the Ukraine war, that Iran acted more like a vendor than a true ally.
Otherwise, sure, Russia is definitely trying to expand cooperation. Just few days ago, they signed another agreement.
But overall, these actions haven't been comprehensive or reliable enough for Iran. Russia still remains an untrustworthy ally for us.
As for the fifth column, yes, absolutely. Even Iran itself has acknowledged this issue.
Just like Iran has its own infiltration inside Israel (I'm not sure how extensive the leaked information from Israel was, but the fact that it caused such a stir suggests it was significant).
But what's important here is that intelligence and security warfare between the two countries is not some dark secret or bitter truth, it's standard practice and obvious. There's no need to treat it like a shocking revelation.
Well, that's fair. What I said earlier was specifically in the context of the Ukraine war, that Iran acted more like a vendor than a true ally.
Otherwise, sure, Russia is definitely trying to expand cooperation. Just few days ago, they signed another agreement.
But overall, these actions haven't been comprehensive or reliable enough for Iran. Russia still remains an untrustworthy ally for us.
As for the fifth column, yes, absolutely. Even Iran itself has acknowledged this issue.
Just like Iran has its own infiltration inside Israel (I'm not sure how extensive the leaked information from Israel was, but the fact that it caused such a stir suggests it was significant).
But what's important here is that intelligence and security warfare between the two countries is not some dark secret or bitter truth, it's standard practice and obvious. There's no need to treat it like a shocking revelation.
>>392234
Hello, anon, I glad to see you here. I didn't have the opportunity to speak with Iranians before, especially about Iran vs Israel war from strategical perspective.
>Unlike Israel, which has the US as its attack dog (and emotional support animal), Iran's only "partners" are Russia and China, both cold, opportunistic players. It's not friendship. It's "enemy-of-my-enemy" pragmatism at best.
As Russian military, I can confirm. We are opportunists in this global war. We clearly don't want China to win, because in this situation we are totally fucked. Russia-Iran-China triangle looks harmonious from resource perspective, but it is destructive to our industry. Land empire with lengthy railroads can't compete with ×10 times bigger country with best harbors and perfect river systems. Our strategical goal is to shape EU to more independent state, make beneficial agreement with them and then focus on development of Eastern Siberia and Northern sea route.
I know about two diplomatic projects with Iran. First one is North-South route through Caspian sea, as reserve route, if Black Sea was totally blocked. Second project is triple treaty between Russia, Iran and Israel to stabilize region, when USA clearly wants to burn China's oil supplies. I think our leader doesn't want to see Israel collapse, because Israel itself draw resources from much stronger Jewish bankers and harm their international image. So, I think, Russia will aim diplomatic efforts to peacekeeping.
I have three questions.
Question №1:
Iran vs Israel war is beneficial for Iran? From our perspective not for both sides. Shia Islam is 10% of Mohammedan world, but Sunni Islam is 87% of population. Nowadays Israeli is enemy for both, but without Israel Sunni countries can join efforts against Iran. Rockets barrages and attacks from Hezbollah and Houthis looks as some kind of show for Mohammedan world. Threats, but without coordination and serious damage. I perfectly know, how vulnerable Israel from Lebanon. Their gas platforms, their water desalination stations, their power plants. This looks like strategical game: Iran used Israel like scarecrow and gather more influence, but doesn't want real war. However this situation may get out of control, just like our 'rapid' campaign in Ukraine.
Question №2:
What do you know about sea blockade of Syria? Maybe some Iranian news? This situation completely avoided by our public sources, but I found this data about oil export:
- Iranian oil production 2023 -- 174M ton/year (86 GJ per capita)
- Iranian oil export 2023 -- 75M ton/year (37 GJ per capita)
- 2022: Iran --> Syria 7.3M ton/year, 11% export (13.8 GJ per capita)
- 2024: Iran --> Syria 2.85M ton/year, 4% export (5.4 GJ per capita)
- Syrian oil production (1996, 15M population) -- 25.9M ton/year (76 GJ per capita)
- Syrian oil production (2009, 18M population) -- 20.0M ton/year (48.9 GJ per capita)
- Syrian oil production (2016, 18M population) -- 2.5-4.5 ton/year (6.1-11 GJ per capita)
- Syrian oil production (2023, 23.3M population) -- 1.2 ton/year (2.3 GJ per capita)
Looks like before 2023 Iran supply Assad government almost fully. <10GJ per capita is not enough even for agriculture. 20GJ per capita is borderline level for organized government and army activities. But Iran decreased supplies 2.5 times and Russia don't send tankers too, although it would be just 3% of our oil export. I don't understand this situation. I haven't seen news about sea blockade, but it looks just like it.
Question №3:
What do you think about Iranian diplomatic contacts with Saudi Arabia? Defensive cooperation is possible? Can general population agree with this? From our perspective USA can block China's sea tanker routes in Malacca by AUKUS, or just burn Persian Gulf.
>And yeah, if push comes to shove and war erupts, I'm not gonna sit this one out. I'm ready to stand up, not for a regime, but for something bigger.
>Not because I love mullahs, but because I love my country and I love to finally get revenge on those faggots, who have fucked a lot of civilizations in history. I’d love to finally put a bullet in one of their heads.
They are my enemies too. This is personal with my family and jews from Revolution times. Personally, I'm like Iran as last successor of ancient Persia. I noticed your industry, roads, steel production, modern and effective military. My friends fought alongside Iranian forces in Syria. I grateful for shaheeds and shells. I am preparing to next possible war in the Central Asia (Kazakhstan and Ferghana region), but I will fight against Iran only if Russia need this war for survival and our future. Empires don't have constant allies, but I wish your country to be strong through this dark times. I wish you good luck.
Hello, anon, I glad to see you here. I didn't have the opportunity to speak with Iranians before, especially about Iran vs Israel war from strategical perspective.
>Unlike Israel, which has the US as its attack dog (and emotional support animal), Iran's only "partners" are Russia and China, both cold, opportunistic players. It's not friendship. It's "enemy-of-my-enemy" pragmatism at best.
As Russian military, I can confirm. We are opportunists in this global war. We clearly don't want China to win, because in this situation we are totally fucked. Russia-Iran-China triangle looks harmonious from resource perspective, but it is destructive to our industry. Land empire with lengthy railroads can't compete with ×10 times bigger country with best harbors and perfect river systems. Our strategical goal is to shape EU to more independent state, make beneficial agreement with them and then focus on development of Eastern Siberia and Northern sea route.
I know about two diplomatic projects with Iran. First one is North-South route through Caspian sea, as reserve route, if Black Sea was totally blocked. Second project is triple treaty between Russia, Iran and Israel to stabilize region, when USA clearly wants to burn China's oil supplies. I think our leader doesn't want to see Israel collapse, because Israel itself draw resources from much stronger Jewish bankers and harm their international image. So, I think, Russia will aim diplomatic efforts to peacekeeping.
I have three questions.
Question №1:
Iran vs Israel war is beneficial for Iran? From our perspective not for both sides. Shia Islam is 10% of Mohammedan world, but Sunni Islam is 87% of population. Nowadays Israeli is enemy for both, but without Israel Sunni countries can join efforts against Iran. Rockets barrages and attacks from Hezbollah and Houthis looks as some kind of show for Mohammedan world. Threats, but without coordination and serious damage. I perfectly know, how vulnerable Israel from Lebanon. Their gas platforms, their water desalination stations, their power plants. This looks like strategical game: Iran used Israel like scarecrow and gather more influence, but doesn't want real war. However this situation may get out of control, just like our 'rapid' campaign in Ukraine.
Question №2:
What do you know about sea blockade of Syria? Maybe some Iranian news? This situation completely avoided by our public sources, but I found this data about oil export:
- Iranian oil production 2023 -- 174M ton/year (86 GJ per capita)
- Iranian oil export 2023 -- 75M ton/year (37 GJ per capita)
- 2022: Iran --> Syria 7.3M ton/year, 11% export (13.8 GJ per capita)
- 2024: Iran --> Syria 2.85M ton/year, 4% export (5.4 GJ per capita)
- Syrian oil production (1996, 15M population) -- 25.9M ton/year (76 GJ per capita)
- Syrian oil production (2009, 18M population) -- 20.0M ton/year (48.9 GJ per capita)
- Syrian oil production (2016, 18M population) -- 2.5-4.5 ton/year (6.1-11 GJ per capita)
- Syrian oil production (2023, 23.3M population) -- 1.2 ton/year (2.3 GJ per capita)
Looks like before 2023 Iran supply Assad government almost fully. <10GJ per capita is not enough even for agriculture. 20GJ per capita is borderline level for organized government and army activities. But Iran decreased supplies 2.5 times and Russia don't send tankers too, although it would be just 3% of our oil export. I don't understand this situation. I haven't seen news about sea blockade, but it looks just like it.
Question №3:
What do you think about Iranian diplomatic contacts with Saudi Arabia? Defensive cooperation is possible? Can general population agree with this? From our perspective USA can block China's sea tanker routes in Malacca by AUKUS, or just burn Persian Gulf.
>And yeah, if push comes to shove and war erupts, I'm not gonna sit this one out. I'm ready to stand up, not for a regime, but for something bigger.
>Not because I love mullahs, but because I love my country and I love to finally get revenge on those faggots, who have fucked a lot of civilizations in history. I’d love to finally put a bullet in one of their heads.
They are my enemies too. This is personal with my family and jews from Revolution times. Personally, I'm like Iran as last successor of ancient Persia. I noticed your industry, roads, steel production, modern and effective military. My friends fought alongside Iranian forces in Syria. I grateful for shaheeds and shells. I am preparing to next possible war in the Central Asia (Kazakhstan and Ferghana region), but I will fight against Iran only if Russia need this war for survival and our future. Empires don't have constant allies, but I wish your country to be strong through this dark times. I wish you good luck.
>>392216
well hi iran-bros
--
israel uses iran as a fake enemy so they can dictate their views and scare their own people
also they can act like a damsel in distress so they can ask for more aids and money from west
--
iran does that too , they use palestine vs israel to oppress people in iran so they can stay in power
and make the people forget that how much of a theocratic/kleptocrats government type ass they are
iran acts like a big bad wolf but it is just no bites and just woof
one single drop of a blood did not came from an jew's nose from iran's actions in the past
--
and iran is losing all of its power in middle east
hamas got fucked , houthis are getting fucked
and waste majority of our neighbors hate us because we very involve ourselves in their politics and country's descissioning
well hi iran-bros
--
israel uses iran as a fake enemy so they can dictate their views and scare their own people
also they can act like a damsel in distress so they can ask for more aids and money from west
--
iran does that too , they use palestine vs israel to oppress people in iran so they can stay in power
and make the people forget that how much of a theocratic/kleptocrats government type ass they are
iran acts like a big bad wolf but it is just no bites and just woof
one single drop of a blood did not came from an jew's nose from iran's actions in the past
--
and iran is losing all of its power in middle east
hamas got fucked , houthis are getting fucked
and waste majority of our neighbors hate us because we very involve ourselves in their politics and country's descissioning
>>392257
also side note
it was 50 years that irgc is in power
and still shit did not happened
--
maybe israel , especially netanyahoo and his goons (zionist party) is losing so much respect due to their actions in middle east and highly fucking up democracy in america with their bulshitism and money asking
--
left in america hate israel 'cause of palestine
right hate israel , cause their country is wasting so much money on them
--
i think israel needs a W and wants to have a W
so as Iran
people in israel are shitting on their government due many unwanted wars that i are seeing
so as
iran , iran suffers from both economical and political problems
any protests are happening here
--
so both iran and israel need a war so they can mislead their shitty governing so people would be busy with bullshits so they can stay in power
also side note
it was 50 years that irgc is in power
and still shit did not happened
--
maybe israel , especially netanyahoo and his goons (zionist party) is losing so much respect due to their actions in middle east and highly fucking up democracy in america with their bulshitism and money asking
--
left in america hate israel 'cause of palestine
right hate israel , cause their country is wasting so much money on them
--
i think israel needs a W and wants to have a W
so as Iran
people in israel are shitting on their government due many unwanted wars that i are seeing
so as
iran , iran suffers from both economical and political problems
any protests are happening here
--
so both iran and israel need a war so they can mislead their shitty governing so people would be busy with bullshits so they can stay in power
>>392252
btw , never trust russia nor china
they always see iran only as their toy
putin uses all of us as their pawn
and he manipulated both america and iran
in the past
--
they are not our friend nor our ally
we are alone in this shithole
--
also don't forget russia is pro-israel
remember the day that they gave us missiles but they gave the turn off codes to israel
so when iran decided to shoot those missiles at israel , none of them worked
btw , never trust russia nor china
they always see iran only as their toy
putin uses all of us as their pawn
and he manipulated both america and iran
in the past
--
they are not our friend nor our ally
we are alone in this shithole
--
also don't forget russia is pro-israel
remember the day that they gave us missiles but they gave the turn off codes to israel
so when iran decided to shoot those missiles at israel , none of them worked
>>392259
China does need middle eastern oil, of which Iran is a major supplier. They can't rely solely on Russia, that would give Moscow too much leverage.
China does need middle eastern oil, of which Iran is a major supplier. They can't rely solely on Russia, that would give Moscow too much leverage.
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933320873429110999
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933320601617236247
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933320077702484046
https://vxtwitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1933318401608282411
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933323189209170159
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933321324665188673
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933320601617236247
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933320077702484046
https://vxtwitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1933318401608282411
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933323189209170159
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933321324665188673
I can just say I heard the start of ww3 in Tehran!!!
Oh my god! I heard it!
Starting tomorrow, if needed, I will volunteer. The kikes will taste the wrath of a Lur...!
Oh my god! I heard it!
Starting tomorrow, if needed, I will volunteer. The kikes will taste the wrath of a Lur...!
I wonder what other players in the middle east will do if this escalates. Azerbaijan and Armenia will almost certainly go at it again, but I want to know what other players will do.
My wallet suddenly started crying.
>Right now is a decisive moment. In the future, either all Aryans will be burned by the jews, or the Faravahar will stand alongside the swastika as a symbol of pride for all of us Aryans.
P.S: Don't blame me for being excited, I'm still thrilled by the sound of the explosion!
P.S: Don't blame me for being excited, I'm still thrilled by the sound of the explosion!
WTI up 8%
Iranian retaliation when?
Second wave of strikes just announced
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933331278058737664
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933331898589196611
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933328915403026862
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933327967402578125
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933334038170714116
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933331898589196611
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933328915403026862
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933327967402578125
https://vxtwitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1933334038170714116
Based kikes will ,eep getting away with it.
Iran won't do sh*t.
Neo nazis will sit and spin on their swastikas with their meth pipes blazing, as usual.
Iran won't do sh*t.
Neo nazis will sit and spin on their swastikas with their meth pipes blazing, as usual.
American conscripts marching on Persia (2025, colorized):
https://youtu.be/YdXQJS3Yv0Y?si=fI-RoEaIDzUJkq0w
https://youtu.be/YdXQJS3Yv0Y?si=fI-RoEaIDzUJkq0w
So, Israel did something so heavy. There won't be any mercy then, there will be blood!
Everyone will have known this was coming. China and Russia will have been informed.
>President Trump specifically said that President Xi and himself did not discuss Ukraine
>President Trump specifically said that President Xi and himself did not discuss Ukraine
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>>392308
Retaliate with WHAT!? They did a whole show of force with drone and missile attacks like a year ago and it amounted to a wet fart, all while burning through a significant chunk of their best stuff. Isreal now knows the specs of the shit that Iran can hit them with. The two countries don't share a border, or anything close to a border, Isreal has ridiculous air superiority, and any kind of ocean conflict between the two is even more impossible.
Maybe if the corridor from Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon was still functional Iran could get some punches in but that shit got rolled up with the end of the Syria civil war.
>>392321
>Iran to officially declare war
Awesome but what the fuck are they going to do? Even if Iraq is basically a failed state then can run roughshod over, Jordan and the Saudis aren't exactly gonna let Iran try a 1800mile thunder run go through their borders.
Best Iran can hope for is to put the supposed 'uranium for nine nukes' on nine missiles and send them in a 4000 missile volley and just hope that one or two gets through and that they successfully detonate.
Retaliate with WHAT!? They did a whole show of force with drone and missile attacks like a year ago and it amounted to a wet fart, all while burning through a significant chunk of their best stuff. Isreal now knows the specs of the shit that Iran can hit them with. The two countries don't share a border, or anything close to a border, Isreal has ridiculous air superiority, and any kind of ocean conflict between the two is even more impossible.
Maybe if the corridor from Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon was still functional Iran could get some punches in but that shit got rolled up with the end of the Syria civil war.
>>392321
>Iran to officially declare war
Awesome but what the fuck are they going to do? Even if Iraq is basically a failed state then can run roughshod over, Jordan and the Saudis aren't exactly gonna let Iran try a 1800mile thunder run go through their borders.
Best Iran can hope for is to put the supposed 'uranium for nine nukes' on nine missiles and send them in a 4000 missile volley and just hope that one or two gets through and that they successfully detonate.
>>392325
I suppose now we'll see for certain whether Trump's falling out with the chief jew was a PR play or not.
I suppose now we'll see for certain whether Trump's falling out with the chief jew was a PR play or not.
Israeli launches are being carried out from Iraqi airspace.
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1933334028507361314
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1933334028507361314
U.S. Air Force KC-135T Stratotanker takes off from Saudi Arabia, switched transponders off immediately after takeoff.
B-but the White House said they are not involved.
B-but the White House said they are not involved.
While the topic is still hot
Which brown nation are (You) siding with?
Which brown nation are (You) siding with?
>>392307
>wrath of a lur
Good Joke
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i don't think iran can start a ww3 really
also yes i heard the BOOOM!! as well
So far no news about death of innocent people
but they killed three of our high military ranks
>wrath of a lur
Good Joke
--
i don't think iran can start a ww3 really
also yes i heard the BOOOM!! as well
So far no news about death of innocent people
but they killed three of our high military ranks
>>392337
it seems like those terrors happened by mossad using drones to target ranked men
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and IDF shot Natanz Site
they say six explosion has been heard in tehran
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iraq says they saw iranian drones from their skies
it would reach israel about 1 hour
it seems like those terrors happened by mossad using drones to target ranked men
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and IDF shot Natanz Site
they say six explosion has been heard in tehran
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iraq says they saw iranian drones from their skies
it would reach israel about 1 hour
Damn, mossad is raping everyone HARD today
>Hossein Salami, Iran's Revolutionary Guards chief, killed by Israel
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyg0yywr4no
>Israeli military says it has recovered body of elusive Hamas leader Mohammed Sinwar
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/08/middleeast/israel-recovers-mohammed-sinwar-body-latam-intl
>Hossein Salami, Iran's Revolutionary Guards chief, killed by Israel
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyg0yywr4no
>Israeli military says it has recovered body of elusive Hamas leader Mohammed Sinwar
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/08/middleeast/israel-recovers-mohammed-sinwar-body-latam-intl
>>392343
>Hossein Salami, Iran's Revolutionary Guards chief, killed by Israel
Then the glaring questions arise. How the jews knew his location? How is possible that knowing about technological capabilities the Iranians didn't take the appropriate precautions? It gets a lot worse when you consider that targeted assassinations by the jews is not news in Iran. Then you must conclude that incompetence and betrayal are in the Iranian blood.
>Hossein Salami, Iran's Revolutionary Guards chief, killed by Israel
Then the glaring questions arise. How the jews knew his location? How is possible that knowing about technological capabilities the Iranians didn't take the appropriate precautions? It gets a lot worse when you consider that targeted assassinations by the jews is not news in Iran. Then you must conclude that incompetence and betrayal are in the Iranian blood.
>>392324
>Maybe if the corridor from Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon was still functional Iran could get some punches in but that shit got rolled up with the end of the Syria civil war.
But I was told the fall of Assad wouldn't affect logistics for Hezbollah in Lebanon that much. It seems like the resistard cope will finally die soon.
>Maybe if the corridor from Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon was still functional Iran could get some punches in but that shit got rolled up with the end of the Syria civil war.
But I was told the fall of Assad wouldn't affect logistics for Hezbollah in Lebanon that much. It seems like the resistard cope will finally die soon.
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>>392308
All 200 drones were successfully intercepted, it seems. This is probably a probing attack but I doubt Iran can overwhelm Israel's defenses now that most of their proxies are knocked out and many of their assets destroyed.
All 200 drones were successfully intercepted, it seems. This is probably a probing attack but I doubt Iran can overwhelm Israel's defenses now that most of their proxies are knocked out and many of their assets destroyed.
Am I the only one oldfag enough to remember that the US golem beast and its israeli whore master have been lying over and over again about iran creating nuclear weapons and mushroom clouds all over the US appearing ANY DAY NOW because of that, and that iran must be nuked first before they can destroy the entire world, etc.??
Will any of you, besides the israeli army sockpuppets posting here, actually believe that it was anyone but israel/US when any nucular bombs or "supersecretsauceweapons" go off anywhere?
Will any of you, besides the israeli army sockpuppets posting here, actually believe that it was anyone but israel/US when any nucular bombs or "supersecretsauceweapons" go off anywhere?
>>392337
>Good Joke
Yeah, sometimes the truth can be pretty funny.
Right now, you're talking to someone who's the second best winchester shooter in his native village (the first is my cousin), and since I was 12-13, I've been familiar with ak47.
And like you know yourself, even empty-handed, Lurs can use stones and bricks (probably that's why it sounded funny to you, lol).
You said you're Armenian, right? I would watch out, brother, it wouldn't be surprising if Israel tries to drag Armenia and Azerbaijan into war. They are so crazy to burn everything!
>i don't think iran can start a ww3 really
Who would thought a simple terror by some serb would kick off a world war??? Come on, wars usually start way simpler (and maybe even dumber) than you would think!
>So far no news about death of innocent people
Honestly, even in non-state media, I heard about several civilian deaths, even some kids. So it's kinda weird to hear you talk like that, especially since you know what these (((faggots))) are really like. They'll say they're not your enemy… right up until an IDF soldier is standing over your head. And don't forget, they want to turn Iran into post-ww1 germany(maybe worse). That is, if they don't destroy the whole world first.
>but they killed three of our high military ranks
More than three now...
>also yes i heard the BOOOM!!
By the way, where was you? I was near Navab(Tehran) when I heard it.
Basically, right now is the time to get ready to fight them. Don't ever think that a war with them will end up benefiting the mullahs and the religious rulers! I don't care about those stupid unpatriotic people who believe this war can save Iran, they've been fooled by the kikes. But know this: destroying Israel will also mean the destruction of the mullah regime.
Look, before Israel existed, when did we ever have this nonsense of jihad, religious dictatorship, pan-arabism, and the mullah government??? Israel works like a magnet: its poles create opposite poles around it. If those faggots weren't here, there would never be an excuse for all this! One of the most important (maybe the most important) reasons for the 1979 revolution was the existence of Israel! If Israel never existed, all these conflicts wouldn't have happened: the mullahs wouldn't justify themselves with Israel's presence, the arabs wouldn't start their arrogance; Al-Qaeda, isis, and those other cursed so-called muslim groups wouldn't have appeared because of these conflicts! These jews are naturally destructive and disruptive people, and they ruined the whole region!
If Israel is destroyed, then the mullah regime won't have any real justification or excuse to stay! That way, we can easily get rid of this so-called religious government, stop Israel's influence during power shifts, and finally free the world from these cursed people!
So now, we have to fight. Forget about these mullahs and religious rulers, this is a national war! It's about the national interest! It doesn't matter what your religion or belief is, just like in the Iran-iraq war, being Iranian is what should be your reason to fight!
Good luck!
P.S: my net really sucks, again...
>Good Joke
Yeah, sometimes the truth can be pretty funny.
Right now, you're talking to someone who's the second best winchester shooter in his native village (the first is my cousin), and since I was 12-13, I've been familiar with ak47.
And like you know yourself, even empty-handed, Lurs can use stones and bricks (probably that's why it sounded funny to you, lol).
You said you're Armenian, right? I would watch out, brother, it wouldn't be surprising if Israel tries to drag Armenia and Azerbaijan into war. They are so crazy to burn everything!
>i don't think iran can start a ww3 really
Who would thought a simple terror by some serb would kick off a world war??? Come on, wars usually start way simpler (and maybe even dumber) than you would think!
>So far no news about death of innocent people
Honestly, even in non-state media, I heard about several civilian deaths, even some kids. So it's kinda weird to hear you talk like that, especially since you know what these (((faggots))) are really like. They'll say they're not your enemy… right up until an IDF soldier is standing over your head. And don't forget, they want to turn Iran into post-ww1 germany(maybe worse). That is, if they don't destroy the whole world first.
>but they killed three of our high military ranks
More than three now...
>also yes i heard the BOOOM!!
By the way, where was you? I was near Navab(Tehran) when I heard it.
Basically, right now is the time to get ready to fight them. Don't ever think that a war with them will end up benefiting the mullahs and the religious rulers! I don't care about those stupid unpatriotic people who believe this war can save Iran, they've been fooled by the kikes. But know this: destroying Israel will also mean the destruction of the mullah regime.
Look, before Israel existed, when did we ever have this nonsense of jihad, religious dictatorship, pan-arabism, and the mullah government??? Israel works like a magnet: its poles create opposite poles around it. If those faggots weren't here, there would never be an excuse for all this! One of the most important (maybe the most important) reasons for the 1979 revolution was the existence of Israel! If Israel never existed, all these conflicts wouldn't have happened: the mullahs wouldn't justify themselves with Israel's presence, the arabs wouldn't start their arrogance; Al-Qaeda, isis, and those other cursed so-called muslim groups wouldn't have appeared because of these conflicts! These jews are naturally destructive and disruptive people, and they ruined the whole region!
If Israel is destroyed, then the mullah regime won't have any real justification or excuse to stay! That way, we can easily get rid of this so-called religious government, stop Israel's influence during power shifts, and finally free the world from these cursed people!
So now, we have to fight. Forget about these mullahs and religious rulers, this is a national war! It's about the national interest! It doesn't matter what your religion or belief is, just like in the Iran-iraq war, being Iranian is what should be your reason to fight!
Good luck!
P.S: my net really sucks, again...
>>392347
>Then you must conclude that incompetence and betrayal are in the Iranian blood.
If you don't even know the difference between the mullahs and the Iranian people, it's better for you to shut up, yankee! My advice is to read some history books before you start talking nonsense.
And I suggest that instead of sticking your nose into other countries' business, you first control your own illegal rebels. At least the Iranians, even with this mullah regime, didn't let afghans cause uprisings in our cities!
>Then you must conclude that incompetence and betrayal are in the Iranian blood.
If you don't even know the difference between the mullahs and the Iranian people, it's better for you to shut up, yankee! My advice is to read some history books before you start talking nonsense.
And I suggest that instead of sticking your nose into other countries' business, you first control your own illegal rebels. At least the Iranians, even with this mullah regime, didn't let afghans cause uprisings in our cities!
Yanno I can't even blame Israel or Trump for siding with Israel when it comes to Iran. The big black buttplug of cuckery has been raised above the dome, again. The mood ring of cowardice has been worn.
They won't do shit.
They won't do shit.
>>392364
Careful. If you keep shit talking Iran then the shaw will dawn the red hat of rage and we will really be in trouble.
Careful. If you keep shit talking Iran then the shaw will dawn the red hat of rage and we will really be in trouble.
>Iran officially raises its Red Flag of Revenge.
https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1933429418094965113?t=aBwKfJ-oZJW6tTdSpiOexQ&s=19
https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1933429418094965113?t=aBwKfJ-oZJW6tTdSpiOexQ&s=19
>>392362
>Look, before Israel existed, when did we ever have this nonsense of jihad, religious dictatorship, pan-arabism, and the mullah government??? Israel works like a magnet: its poles create opposite poles around it.
We have term "sacred injury" for this. Ukraine and Baltic states for Russia, Pakistan for India, Taiwan for China. Controllable pain to shape internal politics of bigger country/coalition for decades. But what is the result? Muslims colonize Europe, their diasporas parasitize on welfare states and use all saved resources to political expansion. And Jewish bankers just use Israel to raise loyal employees.
I think some suffering for population and struggle for political regime are necessary for evolution. 'We' are started from 'They'.
>Look, before Israel existed, when did we ever have this nonsense of jihad, religious dictatorship, pan-arabism, and the mullah government??? Israel works like a magnet: its poles create opposite poles around it.
We have term "sacred injury" for this. Ukraine and Baltic states for Russia, Pakistan for India, Taiwan for China. Controllable pain to shape internal politics of bigger country/coalition for decades. But what is the result? Muslims colonize Europe, their diasporas parasitize on welfare states and use all saved resources to political expansion. And Jewish bankers just use Israel to raise loyal employees.
I think some suffering for population and struggle for political regime are necessary for evolution. 'We' are started from 'They'.
>the black flag will fly above the dome
>>392387
You guys are getting a bit too excited.
Yes, Khamenei has his own strategic mindset, and I agree with him when it comes to Israel.
But on this issue! On many others, I disagree with him. Honestly, I'd rather not have someone like him running things.
Right now, I'm on the same side as him because Israel is threatening our national interests.
If Israel is gone, I see no reason to keep supporting him.
And yes! You should apologize to Iranians, because you forgot who they really are.
But I don't think there's any special reason to thank him, either.
To me, he's just a temporary leader, for a while.
You guys are getting a bit too excited.
Yes, Khamenei has his own strategic mindset, and I agree with him when it comes to Israel.
But on this issue! On many others, I disagree with him. Honestly, I'd rather not have someone like him running things.
Right now, I'm on the same side as him because Israel is threatening our national interests.
If Israel is gone, I see no reason to keep supporting him.
And yes! You should apologize to Iranians, because you forgot who they really are.
But I don't think there's any special reason to thank him, either.
To me, he's just a temporary leader, for a while.
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>>392373
Ironically, if Israel were to use the Samson option they would just nook a bunch of muzzies, niggers and jeets infesting every European capital. It has lost any deterrence it had.
>>392387
Yep, the drones were probably a probing attack. They've now struck Tel Aviv, one of their Air bases and their military HQ in the second wave of attacks.
Ironically, if Israel were to use the Samson option they would just nook a bunch of muzzies, niggers and jeets infesting every European capital. It has lost any deterrence it had.
>>392387
Yep, the drones were probably a probing attack. They've now struck Tel Aviv, one of their Air bases and their military HQ in the second wave of attacks.
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>The U.S. deployed F-22 raptors to Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar.
>The USS Abraham Lincoln moved within striking range of Iran and launched 12 Tomahawk missiles targeting IRGC radar installations near Bandar Abbas, following the Tel Aviv and Haifa strikes.
>The United States delivers an unprecedented warning to Iran:
<“If you move to close the Strait of Hormuz, we will respond with nuclear force.”
https://x.com/mog_russEN/status/1933617628779614639?t=AZtFn48k-TLgvMSiJcnJQQ&s=19
America is already involved.
>The USS Abraham Lincoln moved within striking range of Iran and launched 12 Tomahawk missiles targeting IRGC radar installations near Bandar Abbas, following the Tel Aviv and Haifa strikes.
>The United States delivers an unprecedented warning to Iran:
<“If you move to close the Strait of Hormuz, we will respond with nuclear force.”
https://x.com/mog_russEN/status/1933617628779614639?t=AZtFn48k-TLgvMSiJcnJQQ&s=19
America is already involved.
>>392397
Grass is green, obviously.
Who thinks U.S isn't in the game, is absolutely dumb.
Israel couldn't do anything if U.S don't help it.
Grass is green, obviously.
Who thinks U.S isn't in the game, is absolutely dumb.
Israel couldn't do anything if U.S don't help it.
Now that its started get it finished. No one in the region can stand against Israel so put an end to the idea that Iran has a nuclear program, end the suspense and tension, just get it properly bombed and move on. Left undone its just another thing for Americans to wring their hands and protest about.
>>392363
>Then you must conclude that incompetence and betrayal are in the Iranian blood.
>If you don't even know the difference between the mullahs and the Iranian people, it's better for you to shut up, yankee! My advice is to read some history books before you start talking nonsense.
All right, if you refuse to take the truth from a yankee, then take it from a Russian.
Around the 7 minute mark:
"There is an incredible level of incompetence"
"Is there a donkey laden with shekels that walks to Tehran and bribes everyone? That would be a very Eastern thing to do".
https://www.youtube.com/live/hxHhBx-HYWU
>Then you must conclude that incompetence and betrayal are in the Iranian blood.
>If you don't even know the difference between the mullahs and the Iranian people, it's better for you to shut up, yankee! My advice is to read some history books before you start talking nonsense.
All right, if you refuse to take the truth from a yankee, then take it from a Russian.
Around the 7 minute mark:
"There is an incredible level of incompetence"
"Is there a donkey laden with shekels that walks to Tehran and bribes everyone? That would be a very Eastern thing to do".
https://www.youtube.com/live/hxHhBx-HYWU
>>392410
>Dmitry Orlov
Who is this fucker? Why I don't see him on the rutube? Looks like another USAID trash.
Actual Russian expertise in this article, quite outdated, but close to informal view of our diplomatic school:
https://web.archive.org/web/20250512094048/https://shkolnikov.info/articles/11-analitika-i-prognozy/110169-ocherk-o-strategii-irana-shiitskogo-proekta-do-2035-goda
>Dmitry Orlov
Who is this fucker? Why I don't see him on the rutube? Looks like another USAID trash.
Actual Russian expertise in this article, quite outdated, but close to informal view of our diplomatic school:
https://web.archive.org/web/20250512094048/https://shkolnikov.info/articles/11-analitika-i-prognozy/110169-ocherk-o-strategii-irana-shiitskogo-proekta-do-2035-goda
>>392400
>No one cares
So what the fuck are you even doing here??! Go fuck your illegal rebel fucktards instead, if you don't give a shit. Maybe that'll keep you busy instead of wasting everyone's time here.
>They're just protecting their military bases.
You just made me pull up that meme again, the one where an american (who, according to you, "shouldn't even care") is mocking america himself.
<Look at the image, asshole!
>Your politicians team up with jews to create terrorist groups, attack themselves, use it as an excuse to shove their heads up the middle east's ass, spawn even more terror groups or let them rise, attack themselves again, and then get mad that it's all getting too expensive.
You have built a fucking giant paradox by yourselves!
>your sandnig squabbles.
<I really wish I could laugh at this ridiculous joke, but honestly, it's just the same old nonsense (thinking arabs and Iranians are the same and imagining all of Iran is just desert), sorry, faggot.
But okay, let's just assume your delusion is true. If that's the case, you're basically admitting that some sand-niggers (as you call them) actually have that much power.
Thanks for the compliment, even if it's ridiculous, asshole.
>He's busy justifying another U.S intervention in an unrelated war, and he's probably happy that once again, America is about to bear huge costs and losses because of Israel.
Now that I think about it, I guess you're not even American. You miserable kikes!
Don't choke yourself here. Trying to make Israel look like it's the victim (you were the one who sent the videos in thread) and pushing for U.S involvement just means you pissed yourself out of fear in your little rat hole.
Honestly, don't waste your effort here. At least fuck each other in the bunker, you might actually keep your population alive that way, just like the people you were bombing in Gaza. (karma's a bitch, huh?)
Bunkers must be cozy, right? We who are actually at war are enjoying the open air.
>>392406
I wish he really worked at CNN, but it seems it's even worse than that.
>>392408
>No one in the region can stand against (Israel, American forces, American and European weapons, American and European taxes and aid, and so on...)
I fixed it for you.
Oh, by the way! Which side is hiding in the bunker right now, pissing themselves? What a tough question!!!...
>other bullshit about bombing...
Okay, no problem if you want to share your little fantasy here, after all, dreaming isn't a crime for young people. But could you please tell me what exactly you mean by "properly bombed"?
I mean, I don't know… how exactly do you plan to wipe out a country that's several times larger, stronger, smarter, and more populated than gaza, a place you couldn't even fully handle??? Ok, nevermind. No need to think about your nonsense.
>its just another thing for Americans to wring their hands and protest about.
Americans are going to protest, no matter what. So I think the better option is for you to just leave the region like decent people and stop dragging yourselves (and us) into this mess. It's better for your own skin too!
>He's happy that the U.S keeps getting itself into trouble and spending more just for Israel.
>He sees also Americans as a bunch of clueless people who are always protesting something.
Let me guess, another (((faggot)))...
>>392410
>The dumb yankee doesn't realize that during the war, Iran's internet sucks and I can't connect to vpn to watch that damn video on youtube. And on top of that, this yankee actually thinks I'd believe some random vodka-drinker's story.
Alright anyway, once the internet's back up, I'll go check it out (bilakh!).
But let me guess based on what's written:
>Some vodka-drinker thinks they have cracked the Davinci code and explained why the grass is green.
How clever!!!
>The dumb yankee thinks that if there's a corrupt mullah government, then corruption is in all Iranian blood, still mixing up Iranians and mullahs.
So, congrats!
By that logic, almost everyone's blood on earth (including yours) must be filthy, since jews have systemic corruption in every government (including yours!).
Thanks for teaching me this dumb inductive reasoning and ridiculous generalization!
>>392414
Although the article had a few minor issues, overall it was acceptable. I agree with it as the truth and consider it to be true.
>>392415
I think you seriously need a doctor...
>No one cares
So what the fuck are you even doing here??! Go fuck your illegal rebel fucktards instead, if you don't give a shit. Maybe that'll keep you busy instead of wasting everyone's time here.
>They're just protecting their military bases.
You just made me pull up that meme again, the one where an american (who, according to you, "shouldn't even care") is mocking america himself.
<Look at the image, asshole!
>Your politicians team up with jews to create terrorist groups, attack themselves, use it as an excuse to shove their heads up the middle east's ass, spawn even more terror groups or let them rise, attack themselves again, and then get mad that it's all getting too expensive.
You have built a fucking giant paradox by yourselves!
>your sandnig squabbles.
<I really wish I could laugh at this ridiculous joke, but honestly, it's just the same old nonsense (thinking arabs and Iranians are the same and imagining all of Iran is just desert), sorry, faggot.
But okay, let's just assume your delusion is true. If that's the case, you're basically admitting that some sand-niggers (as you call them) actually have that much power.
Thanks for the compliment, even if it's ridiculous, asshole.
>He's busy justifying another U.S intervention in an unrelated war, and he's probably happy that once again, America is about to bear huge costs and losses because of Israel.
Now that I think about it, I guess you're not even American. You miserable kikes!
Don't choke yourself here. Trying to make Israel look like it's the victim (you were the one who sent the videos in thread) and pushing for U.S involvement just means you pissed yourself out of fear in your little rat hole.
Honestly, don't waste your effort here. At least fuck each other in the bunker, you might actually keep your population alive that way, just like the people you were bombing in Gaza. (karma's a bitch, huh?)
Bunkers must be cozy, right? We who are actually at war are enjoying the open air.
>>392406
I wish he really worked at CNN, but it seems it's even worse than that.
>>392408
>No one in the region can stand against (Israel, American forces, American and European weapons, American and European taxes and aid, and so on...)
I fixed it for you.
Oh, by the way! Which side is hiding in the bunker right now, pissing themselves? What a tough question!!!...
>other bullshit about bombing...
Okay, no problem if you want to share your little fantasy here, after all, dreaming isn't a crime for young people. But could you please tell me what exactly you mean by "properly bombed"?
I mean, I don't know… how exactly do you plan to wipe out a country that's several times larger, stronger, smarter, and more populated than gaza, a place you couldn't even fully handle??? Ok, nevermind. No need to think about your nonsense.
>its just another thing for Americans to wring their hands and protest about.
Americans are going to protest, no matter what. So I think the better option is for you to just leave the region like decent people and stop dragging yourselves (and us) into this mess. It's better for your own skin too!
>He's happy that the U.S keeps getting itself into trouble and spending more just for Israel.
>He sees also Americans as a bunch of clueless people who are always protesting something.
Let me guess, another (((faggot)))...
>>392410
>The dumb yankee doesn't realize that during the war, Iran's internet sucks and I can't connect to vpn to watch that damn video on youtube. And on top of that, this yankee actually thinks I'd believe some random vodka-drinker's story.
Alright anyway, once the internet's back up, I'll go check it out (bilakh!).
But let me guess based on what's written:
>Some vodka-drinker thinks they have cracked the Davinci code and explained why the grass is green.
How clever!!!
>The dumb yankee thinks that if there's a corrupt mullah government, then corruption is in all Iranian blood, still mixing up Iranians and mullahs.
So, congrats!
By that logic, almost everyone's blood on earth (including yours) must be filthy, since jews have systemic corruption in every government (including yours!).
Thanks for teaching me this dumb inductive reasoning and ridiculous generalization!
>>392414
Although the article had a few minor issues, overall it was acceptable. I agree with it as the truth and consider it to be true.
>>392415
I think you seriously need a doctor...
>>392400
>No one cares
GTFO, you nihilistic demoralization fag. You don't have to post in this thread if you don't care.
>No one cares
GTFO, you nihilistic demoralization fag. You don't have to post in this thread if you don't care.
>>392418
Don't dirty your own blood. By the end of my message, I realized he's a full-on lunatic, even if he's not a nihilist jew.
Don't dirty your own blood. By the end of my message, I realized he's a full-on lunatic, even if he's not a nihilist jew.
>>392381
Iran and Israel have exchanged strikes before and nothing happened. When war is declared I will say something has happened.
Iran and Israel have exchanged strikes before and nothing happened. When war is declared I will say something has happened.
Just curious as to who enjoys this 'privilege'?
>>392421
I think I know it.
That was flying in middle of india-pakistan war, too. I think they really don't care, or maybe something else...
I think I know it.
That was flying in middle of india-pakistan war, too. I think they really don't care, or maybe something else...
>>392422
>I think they really don't care, or maybe something else...
They know they have a free pass. Otherwise they would be shoot down.
>I think they really don't care, or maybe something else...
They know they have a free pass. Otherwise they would be shoot down.
>>392420
Sorry, do you really think these attacks are no different from the previous ones??! Israel has officially killed Iran’s top commanders, and Iran has attacked Israel multiple times and even taken their pilots hostage!
Both sides have declared war and have expressed intent to completely destroy each other!
What exactly are you waiting for to believe that "the war has started"??!
People like you are usually among the first to perish in a war. You keep saying nothing is happening until suddenly a nuclear bomb explodes right above your head.
Also, you said Iran won't do anything, and Iran did something! I win (however I didn't bet), give me the money!
Sorry, do you really think these attacks are no different from the previous ones??! Israel has officially killed Iran’s top commanders, and Iran has attacked Israel multiple times and even taken their pilots hostage!
Both sides have declared war and have expressed intent to completely destroy each other!
What exactly are you waiting for to believe that "the war has started"??!
People like you are usually among the first to perish in a war. You keep saying nothing is happening until suddenly a nuclear bomb explodes right above your head.
Also, you said Iran won't do anything, and Iran did something! I win (however I didn't bet), give me the money!
>>392423
Yeah, I know it isn't just chilling, I was kidding.
But I think, there's something...
I mean, bangkok isn't an important thing for Tehran, you know... Usually some Iranians go there for some "meat", what's the point then??
Yeah, I know it isn't just chilling, I was kidding.
But I think, there's something...
I mean, bangkok isn't an important thing for Tehran, you know... Usually some Iranians go there for some "meat", what's the point then??
Video: Iran hitting tel aviv.
Israel is set to fall, and the Russians are aware of the plot.
The evacuation will begin and Ukraine will be the New Israel/Jerusalem.
By the way, Trump, Putin, the Iranian government, they are all on it. It is pretty obvious and these skirmishes are a show for the masses.
Translation:
>The beginning of the fourth stage of Washington's implementation of the Brzezinski strategy, if the third fails, will have disastrous consequences for the West. Israel and the United States will not defeat Iran, which will block the Strait of Hormuz, through which a quarter of the world's oil is transported. Its prices will soar, which will plunge the EU into a deep depression. This will destabilize the already unstable macroeconomic situation in the United States and negatively affect the American economy and financial system. Iran, with the support of its allies, including China, will deal a crushing blow to Israel. The exodus of millions of residents of this country to the right-bank Dnieper region, where the Russophobic Zelensky regime has already got rid of the local male population, will begin. The bloody clown will be forced into peace by his masters. All this was predicted three years ago and posted on this channel in the material What's Going on.
The evacuation will begin and Ukraine will be the New Israel/Jerusalem.
By the way, Trump, Putin, the Iranian government, they are all on it. It is pretty obvious and these skirmishes are a show for the masses.
Translation:
>The beginning of the fourth stage of Washington's implementation of the Brzezinski strategy, if the third fails, will have disastrous consequences for the West. Israel and the United States will not defeat Iran, which will block the Strait of Hormuz, through which a quarter of the world's oil is transported. Its prices will soar, which will plunge the EU into a deep depression. This will destabilize the already unstable macroeconomic situation in the United States and negatively affect the American economy and financial system. Iran, with the support of its allies, including China, will deal a crushing blow to Israel. The exodus of millions of residents of this country to the right-bank Dnieper region, where the Russophobic Zelensky regime has already got rid of the local male population, will begin. The bloody clown will be forced into peace by his masters. All this was predicted three years ago and posted on this channel in the material What's Going on.
>>392424
Israel has killed a top commander before, but the pilot hostages are new. And it looks like the Iran strikes actually killed people this time. Maybe it is happening.
Israel has killed a top commander before, but the pilot hostages are new. And it looks like the Iran strikes actually killed people this time. Maybe it is happening.
>>392424
Actually it looks like a war between elephant and whale. During first strike Israel launched about 200 missiles + decoys against Iran. Presumably JASSM or israeli copies of that kind of design. Even so, only 15 hits in Tehran and something like 40 reported across the other targets combined.
But JASSM number are limited. If Jews wants real war, they should use glide bombs. However this means heavy loses:
- USA vs Vietnam: 1 fighter per 160 sorties (modern air defense, USSR specialists)
- USA vs Iraq: 1 fighter per 1600-2070 sorties (weak old air defense, mostly technical losses)
- USSR vs Afghanistan: 1 fighter per 2300 sorties (neglible air defense, only technical losses)
- Russian vs Ukraine: 1 fighter per 500-1000 sorties (moderate old air defense, before UMPK)
Usually 0.5-2.6 sorties/day per jet possible. Looks like Israel uses less than 500 sorties and already lost one jet. India stops the operation after Vietnam level losses in first day. Russia don't risk to use aviation inside Ukrainian territory after first months of war (only glide bombs from 30-50 km distance, under protection of air defense). If this level of losses unsuitable for Russia, and Russian air force fail to cripple Ukrainian air defense and infrastructure, Israel undoubtedly cannot rely only on air force in this war.
Actually it looks like a war between elephant and whale. During first strike Israel launched about 200 missiles + decoys against Iran. Presumably JASSM or israeli copies of that kind of design. Even so, only 15 hits in Tehran and something like 40 reported across the other targets combined.
But JASSM number are limited. If Jews wants real war, they should use glide bombs. However this means heavy loses:
- USA vs Vietnam: 1 fighter per 160 sorties (modern air defense, USSR specialists)
- USA vs Iraq: 1 fighter per 1600-2070 sorties (weak old air defense, mostly technical losses)
- USSR vs Afghanistan: 1 fighter per 2300 sorties (neglible air defense, only technical losses)
- Russian vs Ukraine: 1 fighter per 500-1000 sorties (moderate old air defense, before UMPK)
Usually 0.5-2.6 sorties/day per jet possible. Looks like Israel uses less than 500 sorties and already lost one jet. India stops the operation after Vietnam level losses in first day. Russia don't risk to use aviation inside Ukrainian territory after first months of war (only glide bombs from 30-50 km distance, under protection of air defense). If this level of losses unsuitable for Russia, and Russian air force fail to cripple Ukrainian air defense and infrastructure, Israel undoubtedly cannot rely only on air force in this war.
>>392417
>I can't connect to vpn to watch that damn video on youtube.
You can use youtubetotranscript.com to extract subtitle from video.
But this video just another libtard trash. As well as this >>392431. Why, in the name of their bloody god, kikes will starts evacuation to another war zone? They really wants to make uberjews from their childrens through suffering and strife? Or they are just crazy reptiloids with inhuman logic?.. Seriously, enough of this bullshit.
>I can't connect to vpn to watch that damn video on youtube.
You can use youtubetotranscript.com to extract subtitle from video.
But this video just another libtard trash. As well as this >>392431. Why, in the name of their bloody god, kikes will starts evacuation to another war zone? They really wants to make uberjews from their childrens through suffering and strife? Or they are just crazy reptiloids with inhuman logic?.. Seriously, enough of this bullshit.
>>392440
>Why, in the name of their bloody god, kikes will starts evacuation to another war zone?
There is a very good reason why Putin drags the foot and doesn't ends the Ukrainian government: depopulation. Also why he is reluctant to take Odessa, because the kikes want that port for their new country's commerce. Regarding "a war zone", surely the hostilities conveniently end to accommodate the (((new comers))).
>Why, in the name of their bloody god, kikes will starts evacuation to another war zone?
There is a very good reason why Putin drags the foot and doesn't ends the Ukrainian government: depopulation. Also why he is reluctant to take Odessa, because the kikes want that port for their new country's commerce. Regarding "a war zone", surely the hostilities conveniently end to accommodate the (((new comers))).
>>392441
Do you just type any bullshit that pops into your head, or does any of this actually sound reasonable to you?
Do you just type any bullshit that pops into your head, or does any of this actually sound reasonable to you?
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>ARROW-3 successfully intercepting Iranian ballistic missile in space
Did Israel use a nuclear interceptor?
Third clip is from a declassified video from the late 90's. A nuke detonating in outer space. Notice how it looks pretty similar.
https://x.com/33SHAWN1/status/1933713059614454017?t=5_jwsjIYVJmKFOuKau3INw&s
>>392431
They have a religious connection to Israel and it's geopolitically relevant due to oil and IMEC. Why would they change that for a war-torn shithole?
Did Israel use a nuclear interceptor?
Third clip is from a declassified video from the late 90's. A nuke detonating in outer space. Notice how it looks pretty similar.
https://x.com/33SHAWN1/status/1933713059614454017?t=5_jwsjIYVJmKFOuKau3INw&s
>>392431
They have a religious connection to Israel and it's geopolitically relevant due to oil and IMEC. Why would they change that for a war-torn shithole?
>>392444
>in space
Kikes and sandniggers potentially causing kessler syndrome was not on my bingo card this year.
>in space
Kikes and sandniggers potentially causing kessler syndrome was not on my bingo card this year.
Jew F-35 shot down.
There are not confirmed news of actually 3 of them shot down.
There are not confirmed news of actually 3 of them shot down.
>>392443
>Igor Berkut
As far as I can tell this guy is the "author" of a project called "Heavenly Jerusalem." This sketchy-looking page, taken from some sketchy-looking wiki and translated from Russian, is the only information I could find on the subject:
https://allll-net.translate.goog/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%98%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BC_(%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
This is absolute gibberish. I can't find any reliable information about this guy at all.
>I expect you apologize
For what? Why don't you apologize for constantly shitting up the site with poorly-sourced schizo nonsense? We're trying to have an actual conversation here.
>STFU, and go away for a while.
No u
>Igor Berkut
As far as I can tell this guy is the "author" of a project called "Heavenly Jerusalem." This sketchy-looking page, taken from some sketchy-looking wiki and translated from Russian, is the only information I could find on the subject:
https://allll-net.translate.goog/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%98%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BC_(%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
This is absolute gibberish. I can't find any reliable information about this guy at all.
>I expect you apologize
For what? Why don't you apologize for constantly shitting up the site with poorly-sourced schizo nonsense? We're trying to have an actual conversation here.
>STFU, and go away for a while.
No u
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>>392446
Foid pilot reportedly survived and is currently held hostage by Iran.
>Fuentes' cameo in Iranian state TV
Foid pilot reportedly survived and is currently held hostage by Iran.
>Fuentes' cameo in Iranian state TV
>>392448
>currently held hostage by Iran
Is that how prisoners of war are called? Hostages????
Show your nose.
>currently held hostage by Iran
Is that how prisoners of war are called? Hostages????
Show your nose.
>>392446
Given that the text is smeared and the engine is still lit, I think this is AI. I'd rather have someone with a phone take 10-20 seconds of footage of any crashed aircraft.
Given that the text is smeared and the engine is still lit, I think this is AI. I'd rather have someone with a phone take 10-20 seconds of footage of any crashed aircraft.
![Screenshot 2025-06-14 at 11-05-49 Iran Military on X Fi[...].png](/images/src/A1D1FBC9778AC8E007A7D026AE3C55C6-749370.png)
Hehe.
>>392462
WTF lmao??! This is the most 4chaniest thing I've ever seen outta Iran!
Btw, Iran's army literally said they don't have any official social media account, so whatever the hell this is, it isn't an "official" channel.
But remember, official...
P.S: It may be fake.
WTF lmao??! This is the most 4chaniest thing I've ever seen outta Iran!
Btw, Iran's army literally said they don't have any official social media account, so whatever the hell this is, it isn't an "official" channel.
But remember, official...
P.S: It may be fake.
How are "attacks on Israel" going to be any different from the endless false flag attacks the serpent worshipers have been inflicting around the world and locally?
They're just lusting for WW3 and mass death to accelerate the coming of their antichrist "messiah" in their temple they've already got all the materials and plans ready for. It's annoying how big their smorgasbord of lies to try on the world has become. If this lie doesn't pan out, they'll have alien invasions and endless fake diseases and food processing plants blowing up and dollar collapses and other false flag attacks and more to play with.
They're just lusting for WW3 and mass death to accelerate the coming of their antichrist "messiah" in their temple they've already got all the materials and plans ready for. It's annoying how big their smorgasbord of lies to try on the world has become. If this lie doesn't pan out, they'll have alien invasions and endless fake diseases and food processing plants blowing up and dollar collapses and other false flag attacks and more to play with.
>>392464
Telegram owner was arrested in France year ago and then Telegram deleted all african-related russian channels (Wagner, African corp, even one of my friends blog afric_ylbIbka). At same time Telegram cooperate with Russian government. Some programmers works from Russia, some from Dubai. It's just unscrupulous weathercock under protection of our oligarchical faction, which still trying to maintain neutrality and outjews the jews.
Telegram owner was arrested in France year ago and then Telegram deleted all african-related russian channels (Wagner, African corp, even one of my friends blog afric_ylbIbka). At same time Telegram cooperate with Russian government. Some programmers works from Russia, some from Dubai. It's just unscrupulous weathercock under protection of our oligarchical faction, which still trying to maintain neutrality and outjews the jews.
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>Tel Aviv
Reminder it is illegal to record military bases on Israel, especially the ones that are burning after they've been struck by ballistic missiles.
Reminder it is illegal to record military bases on Israel, especially the ones that are burning after they've been struck by ballistic missiles.
Maybe important news:
My parents, who live in Bandar Abbas, just called me and said they heard the sound of explosions and gunfire, probably anti-aircraft fire.
Is it possible that it came from American warships?
If so, then the U.S has become directly involved.
My parents, who live in Bandar Abbas, just called me and said they heard the sound of explosions and gunfire, probably anti-aircraft fire.
Is it possible that it came from American warships?
If so, then the U.S has become directly involved.
>>392469
Nope. That wasn't from warships. Just another attack by faggots. And it seems they didn't hit the targets.
Nope. That wasn't from warships. Just another attack by faggots. And it seems they didn't hit the targets.
Looks like they really mad today.
>>392469
Do you have any pictures of the munition fragments? I heard about JASSM and AGM-114 (ground launched or drone) during first attack, but almost no reliable data from today. I want to help russian OSINT team to make detailed article about current attack.
There is article about previous escalation:
https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/1201265.html
>>392469
Do you have any pictures of the munition fragments? I heard about JASSM and AGM-114 (ground launched or drone) during first attack, but almost no reliable data from today. I want to help russian OSINT team to make detailed article about current attack.
There is article about previous escalation:
https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/1201265.html
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Yeah, this is serious. Haifa oil refinery.
>>392479
Also Port, Power plant and Ammonium plant:
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1933984195954532352/pu/vid/avc1/720x1280/cneAZyM4Xg9hmSEP.mp4
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https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1933984427396206592/vid/avc1/272x480/HdAhUx1YbMH9cqHv.mp4
Also Port, Power plant and Ammonium plant:
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1933984195954532352/pu/vid/avc1/720x1280/cneAZyM4Xg9hmSEP.mp4
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1933983521900560384/pu/vid/avc1/848x478/wDF21Lhk1-RhwElI.mp4
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https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1933983617874624512/vid/avc1/720x1280/oq0gsdjlGEpUhlRf.mp4
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1933984415010734080/vid/avc1/640x360/sv2C7fCFnc08n332.mp4
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1933984427396206592/vid/avc1/272x480/HdAhUx1YbMH9cqHv.mp4
So, apparently, Israel is aiming for total regime change in Iran.
>>392477
>>392436
No, unfortunately not. In fact, I personally only managed to catch the flash of Israeli bombs exploding in the sky twice at the right moment. And luckily, nothing has exploded too close to me so far. My parents are in Bandar Abbas, while I'm here in Tehran.
Let me point out something important:
Right before Iran launched its first wave of attacks last night toward Israel, the Iranian air defense suddenly started performing better, intercepting most of the incoming attacks. From what I've read (though keep in mind, since I'm on one side of this conflict, I can't guarantee that I get completely accurate and full info), apparently Israel had hacked Iran's integrated air defense network beforehand and disabled a large portion of it. That's why Iran couldn't respond properly during the first hours. But shortly before launching its own attack, Iran regained full control of its air defense, and from that point on, it started countering Israeli strikes much more effectively.
That shift has led Israel to focus more on drone operations inside Iran, something like how ukraine uses drones against russia.
This image is actually published by Iran's ministry of intelligence, telling civilians to report any suspicious activity involving vehicles like that. A lot of recent explosions seem to be caused this way. And apparently, it's been effective in helping catch several infiltrators, which could be useful for intelligence.
As for the point that Israel can't rely solely on air power, well, the truth is it doesn't really have much of a choice. Israel has invested heavily in its air force (thanks to all that tax money and american/european aid), so it's built its strategy around that. But in terms of ground warfare, Israel has almost no practical access to Iran, and even if it somehow gets involved on the ground, Iran's army would have the upper hand. The same goes for the naval front. Also, Iran's missile capabilities are superior to Israel's, which is why Israel is trying to strike from within.
Honestly, Israel's big mistake was playing most of its cards all at once. Sure, it got a hot start, but it also exposed the presence of its agents in Iran, used almost every type of weapon it had at hand, and fully revealed its attack strategy to Iran.
Now, as those internal infiltrators are being discovered and arrested, and Israel's offensive resources are running low, it's being cornered. What's left on the table are risky weapons, forced American intervention, or ultimately, nuclear war.
Iran, on the other hand, hasn't even used all of its military tools yet, and it's gradually gaining control of the situation. If things continue this way, this war is going to turn against Israel in the long run.
I really don't know what does Iran want from these attacks. It wants to make it so long and make Israel weak and then attack it with more risky weapons, or it's waiting until U.S or Russia do something?
>>392479
>>392483
I think the world's gonna have a bad energy crisis.
>>392484
Yeah, that's been its goal from the beginning. But now it wants to do it directly and has openly admitted to it.
The thing is, Iran also has the same mindset as Israel.
It's very hard for a war like this to end unless one side is completely destroyed or truly surrenders.
>>392436
No, unfortunately not. In fact, I personally only managed to catch the flash of Israeli bombs exploding in the sky twice at the right moment. And luckily, nothing has exploded too close to me so far. My parents are in Bandar Abbas, while I'm here in Tehran.
Let me point out something important:
Right before Iran launched its first wave of attacks last night toward Israel, the Iranian air defense suddenly started performing better, intercepting most of the incoming attacks. From what I've read (though keep in mind, since I'm on one side of this conflict, I can't guarantee that I get completely accurate and full info), apparently Israel had hacked Iran's integrated air defense network beforehand and disabled a large portion of it. That's why Iran couldn't respond properly during the first hours. But shortly before launching its own attack, Iran regained full control of its air defense, and from that point on, it started countering Israeli strikes much more effectively.
That shift has led Israel to focus more on drone operations inside Iran, something like how ukraine uses drones against russia.
This image is actually published by Iran's ministry of intelligence, telling civilians to report any suspicious activity involving vehicles like that. A lot of recent explosions seem to be caused this way. And apparently, it's been effective in helping catch several infiltrators, which could be useful for intelligence.
As for the point that Israel can't rely solely on air power, well, the truth is it doesn't really have much of a choice. Israel has invested heavily in its air force (thanks to all that tax money and american/european aid), so it's built its strategy around that. But in terms of ground warfare, Israel has almost no practical access to Iran, and even if it somehow gets involved on the ground, Iran's army would have the upper hand. The same goes for the naval front. Also, Iran's missile capabilities are superior to Israel's, which is why Israel is trying to strike from within.
Honestly, Israel's big mistake was playing most of its cards all at once. Sure, it got a hot start, but it also exposed the presence of its agents in Iran, used almost every type of weapon it had at hand, and fully revealed its attack strategy to Iran.
Now, as those internal infiltrators are being discovered and arrested, and Israel's offensive resources are running low, it's being cornered. What's left on the table are risky weapons, forced American intervention, or ultimately, nuclear war.
Iran, on the other hand, hasn't even used all of its military tools yet, and it's gradually gaining control of the situation. If things continue this way, this war is going to turn against Israel in the long run.
I really don't know what does Iran want from these attacks. It wants to make it so long and make Israel weak and then attack it with more risky weapons, or it's waiting until U.S or Russia do something?
>>392479
>>392483
I think the world's gonna have a bad energy crisis.
>>392484
Yeah, that's been its goal from the beginning. But now it wants to do it directly and has openly admitted to it.
The thing is, Iran also has the same mindset as Israel.
It's very hard for a war like this to end unless one side is completely destroyed or truly surrenders.
>>392500
I think Israel just intends to kill off the Iranian leadership and military capacity, and not care what chaos follows. It's easy to destroy things when you don't care about cleaning up your mess or the vast human suffering it will cause.
I think Israel just intends to kill off the Iranian leadership and military capacity, and not care what chaos follows. It's easy to destroy things when you don't care about cleaning up your mess or the vast human suffering it will cause.
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A list of Israel lobbying the war with Iran for many years.
>>392500
>Right before Iran launched its first wave of attacks last night toward Israel, the Iranian air defense suddenly started performing better, intercepting most of the incoming attacks. From what I've read (though keep in mind, since I'm on one side of this conflict, I can't guarantee that I get completely accurate and full info), apparently Israel had hacked Iran's integrated air defense network beforehand and disabled a large portion of it. That's why Iran couldn't respond properly during the first hours. But shortly before launching its own attack, Iran regained full control of its air defense, and from that point on, it started countering Israeli strikes much more effectively.
Thanks for this information. I'm empathize and almost forget about sleep. I want to share some information about enemy reconnaissance, which can be useful for Iranian military (high officers knows much more than I, but it can be useful for militia).
>Honestly, Israel's big mistake was playing most of its cards all at once. Sure, it got a hot start, but it also exposed the presence of its agents in Iran, used almost every type of weapon it had at hand, and fully revealed its attack strategy to Iran.
>Now, as those internal infiltrators are being discovered and arrested, and Israel's offensive resources are running low, it's being cornered. What's left on the table are risky weapons, forced American intervention, or ultimately, nuclear war.
I hope they don't have black swan card in sleeve like our Wagner's rebellion in 2023th. In Russia we have delimitation between media, military and economic elite groups. Military disallowed to have own media/economical basis, media insignificant without army/moneys, oligarchs bounded without media/army. Every single amalgamation begins splendidly, but then rapidly got out of control.
>I really don't know what does Iran want from these attacks. It wants to make it so long and make Israel weak and then attack it with more risky weapons, or it's waiting until U.S or Russia do something?
Maybe this is also pressure on China and Russia to force them to aim diplomatic efforts to shut down Starlink inside Iran and Iraq territory.
Starlink actually war technology and most dangerous weapon in NATO arsenal. Communication for army and sabotage groups, video-link for drones, real-time control for cruise missiles. Starlink allows to use missiles like JASSM-ER to attack mobile targets, avoid air defense in real time, etc. Fortunately low-orbit satellites vulnerable to radiation, even few small nukes can kill them all within days/weeks without serious damage to high-orbit satellites.
Second biggest threat is FIA-Radar satellites. USA have 5 satellites Topaz series. In Ukraine they make around 100 radar-photos daily, each photo 10×18 km, 0.8 meter resolution (can easily detect vehicle type and tracks on the ground, can make 3d image from 2 photos). Any weather, day and night. Usually satellites makes 1 photo each hour in zone of interest. Cloth screen to hide weapon completely useless against FIA-Radar (but soldiers often make this mistake).
Ukrainian army received around 300 photos daily (2/3 optical, 1/3 radar). They make order to US intelligence and wait 12-24 hours for photos. This is unclassified information to know enemy capacities and limitations.
Also, first article about war is ready:
https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/1241624.html
>Right before Iran launched its first wave of attacks last night toward Israel, the Iranian air defense suddenly started performing better, intercepting most of the incoming attacks. From what I've read (though keep in mind, since I'm on one side of this conflict, I can't guarantee that I get completely accurate and full info), apparently Israel had hacked Iran's integrated air defense network beforehand and disabled a large portion of it. That's why Iran couldn't respond properly during the first hours. But shortly before launching its own attack, Iran regained full control of its air defense, and from that point on, it started countering Israeli strikes much more effectively.
Thanks for this information. I'm empathize and almost forget about sleep. I want to share some information about enemy reconnaissance, which can be useful for Iranian military (high officers knows much more than I, but it can be useful for militia).
>Honestly, Israel's big mistake was playing most of its cards all at once. Sure, it got a hot start, but it also exposed the presence of its agents in Iran, used almost every type of weapon it had at hand, and fully revealed its attack strategy to Iran.
>Now, as those internal infiltrators are being discovered and arrested, and Israel's offensive resources are running low, it's being cornered. What's left on the table are risky weapons, forced American intervention, or ultimately, nuclear war.
I hope they don't have black swan card in sleeve like our Wagner's rebellion in 2023th. In Russia we have delimitation between media, military and economic elite groups. Military disallowed to have own media/economical basis, media insignificant without army/moneys, oligarchs bounded without media/army. Every single amalgamation begins splendidly, but then rapidly got out of control.
>I really don't know what does Iran want from these attacks. It wants to make it so long and make Israel weak and then attack it with more risky weapons, or it's waiting until U.S or Russia do something?
Maybe this is also pressure on China and Russia to force them to aim diplomatic efforts to shut down Starlink inside Iran and Iraq territory.
Starlink actually war technology and most dangerous weapon in NATO arsenal. Communication for army and sabotage groups, video-link for drones, real-time control for cruise missiles. Starlink allows to use missiles like JASSM-ER to attack mobile targets, avoid air defense in real time, etc. Fortunately low-orbit satellites vulnerable to radiation, even few small nukes can kill them all within days/weeks without serious damage to high-orbit satellites.
Second biggest threat is FIA-Radar satellites. USA have 5 satellites Topaz series. In Ukraine they make around 100 radar-photos daily, each photo 10×18 km, 0.8 meter resolution (can easily detect vehicle type and tracks on the ground, can make 3d image from 2 photos). Any weather, day and night. Usually satellites makes 1 photo each hour in zone of interest. Cloth screen to hide weapon completely useless against FIA-Radar (but soldiers often make this mistake).
Ukrainian army received around 300 photos daily (2/3 optical, 1/3 radar). They make order to US intelligence and wait 12-24 hours for photos. This is unclassified information to know enemy capacities and limitations.
Also, first article about war is ready:
https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/1241624.html
From Twitter.
Iran is now aware of how Israel was getting the names of its nuclear scientists.
Classified Israeli documents obtained by Iran’s security apparatus show that IAEA (operated by the UN) chief Grossi disclosed to Israel the names, who were later assassinated.
Iran is now aware of how Israel was getting the names of its nuclear scientists.
Classified Israeli documents obtained by Iran’s security apparatus show that IAEA (operated by the UN) chief Grossi disclosed to Israel the names, who were later assassinated.
>>392533
There's something oddly satisfying about a cute anime gurl dancing to the idea that shit-skins and jews are killing each-other
There's something oddly satisfying about a cute anime gurl dancing to the idea that shit-skins and jews are killing each-other
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>>392442
>Do you just type any bullshit that pops into your head, or does any of this actually sound reasonable to you?
The Russian prophet Zhirinovsky spelled it out many years ago. The jews have plotted their way back to Russia/Ukraine.
By the way, you didn't apologize yet.
>Do you just type any bullshit that pops into your head, or does any of this actually sound reasonable to you?
The Russian prophet Zhirinovsky spelled it out many years ago. The jews have plotted their way back to Russia/Ukraine.
By the way, you didn't apologize yet.
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Damage in Tel Aviv, Occupied Palestine.
Interesting detail. Israel uses German and Britain refueling tankers for their F-16 during 14-15 June. We already know two incidents with transponders. Meanwhile only US has modern refueling tankers fleet and organization for this kind of operations. Looks like jews gather every single accessible tankers, except american ones, because otherwise they would use only USAF tanker squadrons to lower risk for fighters and operation in general.
It seems Iran's attacking again.
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Iranian security forces discover Israeli drone manufacturing facility deep inside Iran.
Israeli kamikaze drone manufacturing workshop seized by Iranian security forces
Israeli kamikaze drone manufacturing workshop seized by Iranian security forces
Pic: 2 Mossad agents shortly before their arrest by Iranian security services in Lar. No more info available at this time.
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>Houthis damaged two U.S. Destroyers, prompting retaliatory air strikes. 3 U.S. F-16's were taken down by new Iranian air defenses during the operation.
>Russia air lifted S-400 systems to Iran. They now have 4 systems operational.
>Turkey is supplying Iran with parts for the S-400's and deployed two frigates to the Persian gulf.
>China brokered a $10 billion military aid deal with Iran.
>North Korea is literally launching ICBMS at Israel now.
Nothing ever happens chud has officially been defeated.
>Russia air lifted S-400 systems to Iran. They now have 4 systems operational.
>Turkey is supplying Iran with parts for the S-400's and deployed two frigates to the Persian gulf.
>China brokered a $10 billion military aid deal with Iran.
>North Korea is literally launching ICBMS at Israel now.
Nothing ever happens chud has officially been defeated.
Falseflag incoming.
>>392608
>No more info available at this time.
Here it is. The jew terrorists surrendered after an Iranian cop on a bike chased them.
Iran claims it has captured two alleged Mossad operatives caught red-handed with parts for 23 drones, launch systems, targeting gear, controllers, and more than 200 kilograms of explosives.
>No more info available at this time.
Here it is. The jew terrorists surrendered after an Iranian cop on a bike chased them.
Iran claims it has captured two alleged Mossad operatives caught red-handed with parts for 23 drones, launch systems, targeting gear, controllers, and more than 200 kilograms of explosives.
>Anon ! Anon ! It's happening !
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Best moment so far, ballistic missile strikes AD position near Haifa power plant. Clearly visible secondary explosion of launcher / munition / fuel. And then entire district electricity turned off (however for a short time).
https://files.catbox.moe/7m5kdl.MP4
God bless Iran.
https://files.catbox.moe/7m5kdl.MP4
God bless Iran.
>>392736
aussiebro that was looking for those sites must have given them the idea to look for themselves. I'm surprised Israel hasn't banned smart phones for that alone.
aussiebro that was looking for those sites must have given them the idea to look for themselves. I'm surprised Israel hasn't banned smart phones for that alone.
You go girl!
>>392748
>I'm surprised Israel hasn't banned smart phones for that alone.
Unreal. Too big urban population, too many muslims. Even hohols in Kiev needed a months for this. Meanwhile, looks like Iran shut down any access to external internet. No new posts with Iranian flag on 4chan from 15 June.
Kikes attacked a horse stable in Kermanshah, killed and injured over 50 horses.
>I'm surprised Israel hasn't banned smart phones for that alone.
Unreal. Too big urban population, too many muslims. Even hohols in Kiev needed a months for this. Meanwhile, looks like Iran shut down any access to external internet. No new posts with Iranian flag on 4chan from 15 June.
Kikes attacked a horse stable in Kermanshah, killed and injured over 50 horses.
>>392500
>>392436
I want to share some data about airstrikes efficiency. One Su-34 (45-ton frontline bomber) with 4-6 FAB-500 usually makes 3 airstrikes with 1.7 killed and 7 injured during sortie (despite enemy decoys, recon mistakes, bad timing, etc). For operational estimations we uses equivalent of 400 shells (152mm HE) for one Su-34 sortie and 300-600 shells for one Iskander ballistic missile strike.
During slow Syrian campaign Russian air forces uses 30.7k sorties through first 720 days of war, makes 92k airstrikes with Hephaestus aiming equipment on 29.5k targets and estimated 54k kills, 0.58 killed and 2.9 injured per airstrike. During fierce first day of recent Lebanon campaign Israel uses mostly F-16 (19-ton multirole fighter) makes about 400 sorties and 1600 airstrikes (2200 losses by Lebanon sources, 23% killed), so 0.31 killed and 1.7 injured per airstrike.
Israel has:
- F-35 -- 40/75
- F-16 -- 120/170
Total 160 Mission-Capable / 245 Combat-Coded (??? All)
USAF has:
- A-10C -- 76/109 (260)
- F-15E -- 85/164 (218)
- F-16C/D -- 219/309 (841)
- F-22A -- 63/110 (185)
- F-35A -- 127/194 (432)
Total 570 Mission-Capable / 886 Combat-Coded (2085 All)
Currently USAF has 1/3 number of Gulf war time air forces, about 1/3 technician personnel, 60% of combat readiness, around 50% flight hours per pilot. Munition mostly modern and numerous: during recent wars and excercises most of old munition was expended and between 2017-2024 together with F-35 rearmament USAF acquired and accumulated 130k precision-guided munition, equivalent of 13 millions shell, which means 40k sorties, 240k injured, 60k killed during month-long campaign. Total stocks up to 30M shells equivalent. I do not know much about US fleet and marine corp aviation, but they makes 16% sorties during Gulf war. Presumably they weaker than Israeli air forces.
Airstrikes almost useless against FPV-drone teams (which makes 75% losses). During Kursk offensive we estimated around 80 teams, but manage to kill just 10 of them (they always disguised as infantry or civilians). Significance of air forces for long-range strikes rapidly decreased during Ukrainian war. Nowadays we can make 300 shaheed-like drones daily with 200 kg payload by 10k dollars prime cost + 50 manhours assembling; while one Su-34 sortie cost around 60k dollars munition+fuel + 50k dollars to compensate aircraft and possible pilot loses + 100 manhours technician and other services. Overall, kamikaze-drones almost 2 times cheaper (especially if we uses expensive glide bombs with similar electronics anyway).
War was changed. I think most of armies in the world now wants to utilize old armament and reform organization as soon as possible. Risky operations are expected. Who cares about losses, if all current structures outdated anyway.
>>392436
I want to share some data about airstrikes efficiency. One Su-34 (45-ton frontline bomber) with 4-6 FAB-500 usually makes 3 airstrikes with 1.7 killed and 7 injured during sortie (despite enemy decoys, recon mistakes, bad timing, etc). For operational estimations we uses equivalent of 400 shells (152mm HE) for one Su-34 sortie and 300-600 shells for one Iskander ballistic missile strike.
During slow Syrian campaign Russian air forces uses 30.7k sorties through first 720 days of war, makes 92k airstrikes with Hephaestus aiming equipment on 29.5k targets and estimated 54k kills, 0.58 killed and 2.9 injured per airstrike. During fierce first day of recent Lebanon campaign Israel uses mostly F-16 (19-ton multirole fighter) makes about 400 sorties and 1600 airstrikes (2200 losses by Lebanon sources, 23% killed), so 0.31 killed and 1.7 injured per airstrike.
Israel has:
- F-35 -- 40/75
- F-16 -- 120/170
Total 160 Mission-Capable / 245 Combat-Coded (??? All)
USAF has:
- A-10C -- 76/109 (260)
- F-15E -- 85/164 (218)
- F-16C/D -- 219/309 (841)
- F-22A -- 63/110 (185)
- F-35A -- 127/194 (432)
Total 570 Mission-Capable / 886 Combat-Coded (2085 All)
Currently USAF has 1/3 number of Gulf war time air forces, about 1/3 technician personnel, 60% of combat readiness, around 50% flight hours per pilot. Munition mostly modern and numerous: during recent wars and excercises most of old munition was expended and between 2017-2024 together with F-35 rearmament USAF acquired and accumulated 130k precision-guided munition, equivalent of 13 millions shell, which means 40k sorties, 240k injured, 60k killed during month-long campaign. Total stocks up to 30M shells equivalent. I do not know much about US fleet and marine corp aviation, but they makes 16% sorties during Gulf war. Presumably they weaker than Israeli air forces.
Airstrikes almost useless against FPV-drone teams (which makes 75% losses). During Kursk offensive we estimated around 80 teams, but manage to kill just 10 of them (they always disguised as infantry or civilians). Significance of air forces for long-range strikes rapidly decreased during Ukrainian war. Nowadays we can make 300 shaheed-like drones daily with 200 kg payload by 10k dollars prime cost + 50 manhours assembling; while one Su-34 sortie cost around 60k dollars munition+fuel + 50k dollars to compensate aircraft and possible pilot loses + 100 manhours technician and other services. Overall, kamikaze-drones almost 2 times cheaper (especially if we uses expensive glide bombs with similar electronics anyway).
War was changed. I think most of armies in the world now wants to utilize old armament and reform organization as soon as possible. Risky operations are expected. Who cares about losses, if all current structures outdated anyway.
>>392790
>looks like Iran shut down any access to external internet
It may be related to the sleeper cells launching drones. Mirroring the same methodology than Ukrainians used to attack Russian air bases, the drone pilots were sitting beyond the country's border and piggybacking on the local internet for piloting the drones.
>looks like Iran shut down any access to external internet
It may be related to the sleeper cells launching drones. Mirroring the same methodology than Ukrainians used to attack Russian air bases, the drone pilots were sitting beyond the country's border and piggybacking on the local internet for piloting the drones.
>>392793
>Mirroring the same methodology than Ukrainians used to attack Russian air bases
I do not know anything about cooperation between Ukrainians and Mossad. Looks like their containers for drones and methods different. Moreover second operation have bad timing (more than 250 hours after first one). Imagine situation, when group of very purposeful ukrainian officers create first operation fully on their own initiative and make show of it. All security services of the world began to check all trucks and containers, and Mossad operatives in Iran just did not have choices except starts their operation immediately.
>>392567
So, this is why they used EU refueling tankers during first days, they just don't have time to relocate USAF tankers insensibly!
>Mirroring the same methodology than Ukrainians used to attack Russian air bases
I do not know anything about cooperation between Ukrainians and Mossad. Looks like their containers for drones and methods different. Moreover second operation have bad timing (more than 250 hours after first one). Imagine situation, when group of very purposeful ukrainian officers create first operation fully on their own initiative and make show of it. All security services of the world began to check all trucks and containers, and Mossad operatives in Iran just did not have choices except starts their operation immediately.
>>392567
So, this is why they used EU refueling tankers during first days, they just don't have time to relocate USAF tankers insensibly!
The Editor-in-Chief of the "Tehran Times" newspaper responds to Trump's call to leave Tehran:
"We will not evacuate the newspaper headquarters, nor Tehran."
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Video: The moment IsraHell struck Iran National Television
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rze_IpyIZZ0
"We will not evacuate the newspaper headquarters, nor Tehran."
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Video: The moment IsraHell struck Iran National Television
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rze_IpyIZZ0
It really takes effort to make both sides of a conflict this irredeemable right out the gate. This is what they deserve for continually failing to tard wrangle their back-and-forth terrorism.
Propagandists on full blast.
Do not be intimidated by Bush-era neo-cons. Americans on the right have no obligation to support Israel. America first.
Do not be intimidated by Bush-era neo-cons. Americans on the right have no obligation to support Israel. America first.
I hope you have all ordered your white feather head dresses! When that bitch gives you a feather add it to the head dress. I for one will not be shamed into fighting for Israel.
Kikes overcame 4chan defense. No more comfy threads, only pigs around.
>>392820
didn’t the hack reveal that 50% of posts on /pol/ were from Israel?
Honestly this war is so depressing. Israel seems to always get its way. Fuck me for falling for MAGA 3.0
didn’t the hack reveal that 50% of posts on /pol/ were from Israel?
Honestly this war is so depressing. Israel seems to always get its way. Fuck me for falling for MAGA 3.0
>>392821
>didn’t the hack reveal that 50% of posts on /pol/ were from Israel
Why yes, that IS what the meta-data suggested
>didn’t the hack reveal that 50% of posts on /pol/ were from Israel
Why yes, that IS what the meta-data suggested
If true, support your local Christian Zionist.
The jews have a problem with a limited missile stockpile. Soon they will run out.
>video
Earlier tonight (Tuesday), the IRGC tested an advanced Fattah-1 hypersonic missile against Israel’s air defenses in Tel Aviv.
In total, 12 different Israeli interceptor missiles were launched, but due to the complex maneuvering and high speed of the Fattah-1, it passed through all of them.
>video
Earlier tonight (Tuesday), the IRGC tested an advanced Fattah-1 hypersonic missile against Israel’s air defenses in Tel Aviv.
In total, 12 different Israeli interceptor missiles were launched, but due to the complex maneuvering and high speed of the Fattah-1, it passed through all of them.
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>>392912
The difference between those in the stonetoss is, one of them follows a religion that says kill or convert everyone and there is no higher reward than dying in the name of it and the other is a despot.
The difference between those in the stonetoss is, one of them follows a religion that says kill or convert everyone and there is no higher reward than dying in the name of it and the other is a despot.
>>392820
Pretty sure the hack made real human anons leave, so the already egregious botting problems of /pol/ became even more egregious.
I'm still impressed and disturbed that the insane loons borne of social media circlejerks and literal cult brainwashing came to irrationally hate the contract-binding, swindling, evil kikes of israel more than I ever could from the bottom of my heart.
Pretty sure the hack made real human anons leave, so the already egregious botting problems of /pol/ became even more egregious.
I'm still impressed and disturbed that the insane loons borne of social media circlejerks and literal cult brainwashing came to irrationally hate the contract-binding, swindling, evil kikes of israel more than I ever could from the bottom of my heart.
Looks like Starlink inside Iran still working. This is Iranian counterspace weapon. One of Sejil series, probably Zuljanah. Effective only with nuclear EMP warhead, of course. So, this is demonstration.
>>392952
The video speaks for itself.
Tbh, I have to give Tucker Carlson credit for forcing normies republicans to question America's unwavering servitude to Israel. This is one of the best things he's done since he interviewed Thomas Massie about how every congressmen has an "AIPAC guy", and the interview with the Gazan priest about how Israelis mistreat Christians.
It's a step in the right direction, as fragmenting Republican support for Israel serves to eventually rob Israel of allies entirely. His questioning skills have also improved since that interview with Putin.
The video speaks for itself.
Tbh, I have to give Tucker Carlson credit for forcing normies republicans to question America's unwavering servitude to Israel. This is one of the best things he's done since he interviewed Thomas Massie about how every congressmen has an "AIPAC guy", and the interview with the Gazan priest about how Israelis mistreat Christians.
It's a step in the right direction, as fragmenting Republican support for Israel serves to eventually rob Israel of allies entirely. His questioning skills have also improved since that interview with Putin.
>>392216
Summarization of ballistic missile barrage:
- About 400 ballistic missiles during 5 days (≈15% stock)
- Damaged Hadera and Carmel power plants. 2/9 plants halted.
- Damaged both Ashdod and Haifa refineries. Month-long repair for second one.
- Gas platforms on Leviathan and Karish gas fields are halted (from 13 June)
- About 100 buildings destroyed or seriously damaged.
- 3 clearly visible strikes on air defense sites.
(2) Coal Power Plants:
Hadera 2.56GW✅ (unknown damage, halted)
Ashkelon 2.25GW
(7) Gas Power Plants:
Ramla 1.33GWMt.
Carmel (Haifa) 1.02GW✅ (turbine was seriously damaged)
Dalia 0.86 GW
Ashkelon 0.80GW
Tazfit 0.60GW
Ramat 0.52GW
Mishor 0.44GW
(2) Refineries:
Haifa ✅ (Hadera power plant halted + unknown damage)
Ashdod ✅ (magistral pipeline damaged + unknown damage)
I scan mostly catbox links, russian /wm/ thread and few kikes blogs, so this it's only my view and part of picture. Israel has 7 gas power plants and 2 coal power plants. Currently Hadera 2.56GW coal power plant halted and no gas from platforms for others. I think jews block pipelines before occurrence just in case.
About Israeli air forces. Almost no data, but looks like 50-100 active fighters and 100-200 combat sorties daily (200% of our Syria level, around 80% of Avdiivka operation level). They focused SEAD effort around Kermanshah province with F-16 from Iraq territory and F-35 drops bombs around Tehran from there. Somewhere between Qazvin and Hamadan (120 km from border), if they use SDB with 80-120 km range, or from Kermanshah (60 km from border), if they made something new like our UMPB with booster and 200 km range.
If they have some support inside Iran (like azerbaijanians), this is time. Otherwise deescalation within month even with USA support. I think USAF has only one objective in this situation, provoke Iran to close Persian Gulf and then bomb all oil infrastructure to cripple China's industry. Even poor Saudi. This is just better opportunity than Malacca blockade.
Summarization of ballistic missile barrage:
- About 400 ballistic missiles during 5 days (≈15% stock)
- Damaged Hadera and Carmel power plants. 2/9 plants halted.
- Damaged both Ashdod and Haifa refineries. Month-long repair for second one.
- Gas platforms on Leviathan and Karish gas fields are halted (from 13 June)
- About 100 buildings destroyed or seriously damaged.
- 3 clearly visible strikes on air defense sites.
(2) Coal Power Plants:
Hadera 2.56GW✅ (unknown damage, halted)
Ashkelon 2.25GW
(7) Gas Power Plants:
Ramla 1.33GWMt.
Carmel (Haifa) 1.02GW✅ (turbine was seriously damaged)
Dalia 0.86 GW
Ashkelon 0.80GW
Tazfit 0.60GW
Ramat 0.52GW
Mishor 0.44GW
(2) Refineries:
Haifa ✅ (Hadera power plant halted + unknown damage)
Ashdod ✅ (magistral pipeline damaged + unknown damage)
I scan mostly catbox links, russian /wm/ thread and few kikes blogs, so this it's only my view and part of picture. Israel has 7 gas power plants and 2 coal power plants. Currently Hadera 2.56GW coal power plant halted and no gas from platforms for others. I think jews block pipelines before occurrence just in case.
About Israeli air forces. Almost no data, but looks like 50-100 active fighters and 100-200 combat sorties daily (200% of our Syria level, around 80% of Avdiivka operation level). They focused SEAD effort around Kermanshah province with F-16 from Iraq territory and F-35 drops bombs around Tehran from there. Somewhere between Qazvin and Hamadan (120 km from border), if they use SDB with 80-120 km range, or from Kermanshah (60 km from border), if they made something new like our UMPB with booster and 200 km range.
If they have some support inside Iran (like azerbaijanians), this is time. Otherwise deescalation within month even with USA support. I think USAF has only one objective in this situation, provoke Iran to close Persian Gulf and then bomb all oil infrastructure to cripple China's industry. Even poor Saudi. This is just better opportunity than Malacca blockade.
If Trump refuses war, progressives will meltdown and there will be hundreds of thousands protesters attacking the cops and demanding immediate invasion of Iran plus an end to fascism.
>>392956
>About Israeli air forces. Almost no data, but looks like 50-100 active fighters and 100-200 combat sorties daily
According to the Russian ambassador at the UN, the jews are flying from the British Akrotiri air base in Cyprus.
>About Israeli air forces. Almost no data, but looks like 50-100 active fighters and 100-200 combat sorties daily
According to the Russian ambassador at the UN, the jews are flying from the British Akrotiri air base in Cyprus.
>>392959
This explains quite few number of sorties and concentration of refueling tankers. Though I used IDF sources and comparison to war in Ukraine to estimate number of active fighters. Usually our Su-34 spends 2.5 hours on sortie with 1800 km flight distance (900 km combat range), then 3 hours refuel/rearm/technical/rest and mission again. Also 2 sorties per day during first month of war very hard for pilot and even harder for aircraft and technical staff. Typical routine 1 sortie per day.
This explains quite few number of sorties and concentration of refueling tankers. Though I used IDF sources and comparison to war in Ukraine to estimate number of active fighters. Usually our Su-34 spends 2.5 hours on sortie with 1800 km flight distance (900 km combat range), then 3 hours refuel/rearm/technical/rest and mission again. Also 2 sorties per day during first month of war very hard for pilot and even harder for aircraft and technical staff. Typical routine 1 sortie per day.
>>392964
Russians elites sympathize with Israel. Kikes hated by general public, our elites quite orthodox too, but they still remember moments, when old church dynasties outjews the kikes. First time when used communist international to gather funds to build USSR industry in 1930s. Second time when helps european jews to create Israel, and create "sacred injury" for all jew tribes. Kikes just can't left their holy country in distress, but makes situation even worse, because of their arrogance. Russia uses position of mediator between muslims and zionistes and don't want to lost this beneficial status. So, I don't except direct help to any side, only peacekeeping efforts.
Jews elites has three tribes (actually groups of families with different schools to educate stable strong generations). We use own classification for them: Pharisees partially control USA, sadducees partially control Britain, essenes control Israel. Looks like sadducees and essenes join efforts to secure Israel future, but pharisees have their own problems. Sometimes we too focused around kikes and just don't see rising powers. Indians nowadays second richest diaspora in USA, they control western IT and swarming low/mid positions in intelligence services. Latinos only one faction in the world who has complex conservative-left project and new attractive economical ideas, but they focus efforts to unite USA with South American nations.
And jews, they just like Cozy. Destructive, yes. Psychopathic, delusive, mean. But still sometimes cute. Like hackers, who exploit all systems around and involuntarily makes our world more durable. Maybe through destruction and rebirth, but better than just rot into nothing. They show us not only their kikery but hidden structural problems. They are tonsils of world organism.
Russians elites sympathize with Israel. Kikes hated by general public, our elites quite orthodox too, but they still remember moments, when old church dynasties outjews the kikes. First time when used communist international to gather funds to build USSR industry in 1930s. Second time when helps european jews to create Israel, and create "sacred injury" for all jew tribes. Kikes just can't left their holy country in distress, but makes situation even worse, because of their arrogance. Russia uses position of mediator between muslims and zionistes and don't want to lost this beneficial status. So, I don't except direct help to any side, only peacekeeping efforts.
Jews elites has three tribes (actually groups of families with different schools to educate stable strong generations). We use own classification for them: Pharisees partially control USA, sadducees partially control Britain, essenes control Israel. Looks like sadducees and essenes join efforts to secure Israel future, but pharisees have their own problems. Sometimes we too focused around kikes and just don't see rising powers. Indians nowadays second richest diaspora in USA, they control western IT and swarming low/mid positions in intelligence services. Latinos only one faction in the world who has complex conservative-left project and new attractive economical ideas, but they focus efforts to unite USA with South American nations.
And jews, they just like Cozy. Destructive, yes. Psychopathic, delusive, mean. But still sometimes cute. Like hackers, who exploit all systems around and involuntarily makes our world more durable. Maybe through destruction and rebirth, but better than just rot into nothing. They show us not only their kikery but hidden structural problems. They are tonsils of world organism.
>>392967
>Like hackers, who exploit all systems around and involuntarily makes our world more durable. Maybe through destruction and rebirth, but better than just rot into nothing. They show us not only their kikery but hidden structural problems.
Well, the average kike is the equivalent of a lowlife gypsy, but with class. Their intelligence is a bit above the average White, which I attribute to their paranoid nature. But the entities running the organized jewry are a totally different stock, here we enter into the realm of the paranormal because there is not a rational explanation for the paralysing spell they casted on the whole word.
There is a theory that if history is fake and kikes are the managers designated by the controllers to run the plantation, then the controllers have an extraordinary knowledge on the human nature, political systems, and the impact of rolling out a technology from the shelves; like history resets every a few thousand years and humanity starts again from the caves.
>Like hackers, who exploit all systems around and involuntarily makes our world more durable. Maybe through destruction and rebirth, but better than just rot into nothing. They show us not only their kikery but hidden structural problems.
Well, the average kike is the equivalent of a lowlife gypsy, but with class. Their intelligence is a bit above the average White, which I attribute to their paranoid nature. But the entities running the organized jewry are a totally different stock, here we enter into the realm of the paranormal because there is not a rational explanation for the paralysing spell they casted on the whole word.
There is a theory that if history is fake and kikes are the managers designated by the controllers to run the plantation, then the controllers have an extraordinary knowledge on the human nature, political systems, and the impact of rolling out a technology from the shelves; like history resets every a few thousand years and humanity starts again from the caves.
Direct hit. Israeli army command and cyber operations center under Soroka hospital. Because fuck jews.
Also, just one missile and 28 attempts to intercept. Because fuck jews.
https://files.catbox.moe/exvbfu.mp4
Also, just one missile and 28 attempts to intercept. Because fuck jews.
https://files.catbox.moe/exvbfu.mp4
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>>392971
>An Iranian ballistic missile directly struck Soroka Medical Center, southern Israel's largest hospital, on Thursday morning, causing significant structural damage but resulting in no serious injuries, according to hospital and state officials.
>The strike, part of a wider barrage targeting central and southern Israel, hit an older surgical building that had been evacuated just a day prior on instructions from the Health Ministry, a move credited with preventing a major disaster.
Nevermind, just another kikery. They even can't fuck themselves properly! Also, their media blockade starting to work, no video from city this time.
>An Iranian ballistic missile directly struck Soroka Medical Center, southern Israel's largest hospital, on Thursday morning, causing significant structural damage but resulting in no serious injuries, according to hospital and state officials.
>The strike, part of a wider barrage targeting central and southern Israel, hit an older surgical building that had been evacuated just a day prior on instructions from the Health Ministry, a move credited with preventing a major disaster.
Nevermind, just another kikery. They even can't fuck themselves properly! Also, their media blockade starting to work, no video from city this time.
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>>392469
Bongistani F-35 landed in Thiruvananthapuram International Airport India 15 June and still there 19 June. Maybe from squadron, who attack Bandar' Abbas 14 June.
Bongistani F-35 landed in Thiruvananthapuram International Airport India 15 June and still there 19 June. Maybe from squadron, who attack Bandar' Abbas 14 June.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-decide-us-action-israel-iran-conflict-within-two-weeks-white-house-says-2025-06-19/
>Trump to decide on US action in Israel-Iran war within two weeks, White House says
>two weeks
Nothing ever happens chuds are so back!
>Trump to decide on US action in Israel-Iran war within two weeks, White House says
>two weeks
Nothing ever happens chuds are so back!
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Iran hits one of the jews' holiest sites, the stock exchange.
>>392990
>two weeks
It is the time they need to cook something.
I believe it has to do with the more of 30 re-supply air tankers the USAF moved to Europe a couple of days ago. Together with moving some destroyers and submarines to position them to hit Iran with a missile barrage.
>two weeks
It is the time they need to cook something.
I believe it has to do with the more of 30 re-supply air tankers the USAF moved to Europe a couple of days ago. Together with moving some destroyers and submarines to position them to hit Iran with a missile barrage.
>>392990
Hopefully it's two weeks as established by the coof and not two weeks as established by reality.
Hopefully it's two weeks as established by the coof and not two weeks as established by reality.
>>392990
Two weeks to try and build a convincing narrative to create some semblance of popular support? (And yes that will likely be a false flag)
Two weeks to try and build a convincing narrative to create some semblance of popular support? (And yes that will likely be a false flag)
>>392980
>their media blockade starting to work, no video from city this time.
They must do it because Occupied Palestine is beginning to look like Gaza.
>their media blockade starting to work, no video from city this time.
They must do it because Occupied Palestine is beginning to look like Gaza.
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>On the street of Tel Aviv :
>israeli minister Ben-Gvir - 'Why did you provoke Iran ?'
>The head of Mossad, Barnea - 'I didn't know that Iran had such missile capabilities'.
This is the essence of Clownworld. Arrogance, malice, incompetence, fakery.
>israeli minister Ben-Gvir - 'Why did you provoke Iran ?'
>The head of Mossad, Barnea - 'I didn't know that Iran had such missile capabilities'.
This is the essence of Clownworld. Arrogance, malice, incompetence, fakery.
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/507965367
/pol/acks on the father board are openly helping Iran locate israeli AA.
If you have info, do your part.
/pol/acks on the father board are openly helping Iran locate israeli AA.
If you have info, do your part.
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What a time to be alive...
Lolz.
>Tel Aviv
Check this out.
Check this out.
>>393044
If the filly in that image actually called me by "*insert*-kun" i would cum instantly, in fact, i'm getting bricked up by this thought alone
If the filly in that image actually called me by "*insert*-kun" i would cum instantly, in fact, i'm getting bricked up by this thought alone
Hello everyponer.
There are hundreds of charlatans and self-titled "analysts" talking about current international events, most of them are total shysters and have no freaking idea of what they are talking about. But the below guy Martyanov has been always on target, even years in advance, like he peers into the future. In the following interview he describes what are the most likely scenarios for Iran and USA. Also he tells about details on weaponry and inner government squabbles.
I recommend him.
WW3? Will USA Attack Iran? - Andrei Martyanov LIVE Russian military expert - AU 390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypTBeed8Zuo
There are hundreds of charlatans and self-titled "analysts" talking about current international events, most of them are total shysters and have no freaking idea of what they are talking about. But the below guy Martyanov has been always on target, even years in advance, like he peers into the future. In the following interview he describes what are the most likely scenarios for Iran and USA. Also he tells about details on weaponry and inner government squabbles.
I recommend him.
WW3? Will USA Attack Iran? - Andrei Martyanov LIVE Russian military expert - AU 390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypTBeed8Zuo
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(((British))) chutzpah.
Send the Air Force One to fly us back to England.
Send the Air Force One to fly us back to England.
>>392216
>>392956
I think, Israeli air campaign is purely opportunistic and media focused:
- Gulf war, 18M population, ??? GDP PPP -- 1100 fighters, 1600 combat sorties daily, 62% strikes, 35 days
- Libyan war, 6.5M population, 135B GDP PPP -- ??? fighters, 118 combat sorties daily, 42% strikes, 220 days
- Syrian war, 18M population, 141B GDP PPP -- 60 fighters, 80 combat sorties daily, 53% strikes, 720 days
- Ukrainian war, 33M population, 590B GDP PPP -- 200 fighters, 200 combat sorties daily, 40-60% strikes, >1200 days
- Iranian war, 86M population, 1600B GDP PPP -- 100-200 fighters, 100-200 combat sorties daily, 40-60% strikes
During first months of Ukrainian war Russian air forces makes about 30% of damage to enemy (0.8/2.6 million 152mm HE shell equivalent monthly). The whole NATO can maintain about 350-700 combat sorties daily with 20-30% SEAD sorties and 40-60% strike sorties inside Iranian borders, because of logistic limitations, especially refuelling. They need to restore reserve aircrafts, train technical personnel, build more airfields, gather supplies, spend about 1-2 years on preparation. You just can't expect any result with 20% of necessary air forces without ground support against such Leviathan.
Israeli air campaign looks like some sort of distraction/support for coup attempt. They can't gather more opposition, agents and resources inside Iran, their capabilities starting to decrease. So why not try even with 5% chance to success, if otherwise this chance will be decreased rapidly in following years. This similar to first stage of Ukrainian war: rapid escalation with small chances of success, because why not, if alternative is bad anyway.
Chronology:
- 19 May 2024 -- Iranian president Raisi was killed in helicopter crash.
- 26 June 2024 -- Iran finish railroad between Caspian Sea and Persian Gulf.
- 19 May 2025 -- Railroad between Iran and China was finished (15 days vs 30 days through Malacca)
- 13 June 2025 -- Attack on Iranian Revolutionary Guards command structure with support of Bahai cult agents.
>>392956
I think, Israeli air campaign is purely opportunistic and media focused:
- Gulf war, 18M population, ??? GDP PPP -- 1100 fighters, 1600 combat sorties daily, 62% strikes, 35 days
- Libyan war, 6.5M population, 135B GDP PPP -- ??? fighters, 118 combat sorties daily, 42% strikes, 220 days
- Syrian war, 18M population, 141B GDP PPP -- 60 fighters, 80 combat sorties daily, 53% strikes, 720 days
- Ukrainian war, 33M population, 590B GDP PPP -- 200 fighters, 200 combat sorties daily, 40-60% strikes, >1200 days
- Iranian war, 86M population, 1600B GDP PPP -- 100-200 fighters, 100-200 combat sorties daily, 40-60% strikes
During first months of Ukrainian war Russian air forces makes about 30% of damage to enemy (0.8/2.6 million 152mm HE shell equivalent monthly). The whole NATO can maintain about 350-700 combat sorties daily with 20-30% SEAD sorties and 40-60% strike sorties inside Iranian borders, because of logistic limitations, especially refuelling. They need to restore reserve aircrafts, train technical personnel, build more airfields, gather supplies, spend about 1-2 years on preparation. You just can't expect any result with 20% of necessary air forces without ground support against such Leviathan.
Israeli air campaign looks like some sort of distraction/support for coup attempt. They can't gather more opposition, agents and resources inside Iran, their capabilities starting to decrease. So why not try even with 5% chance to success, if otherwise this chance will be decreased rapidly in following years. This similar to first stage of Ukrainian war: rapid escalation with small chances of success, because why not, if alternative is bad anyway.
Chronology:
- 19 May 2024 -- Iranian president Raisi was killed in helicopter crash.
- 26 June 2024 -- Iran finish railroad between Caspian Sea and Persian Gulf.
- 19 May 2025 -- Railroad between Iran and China was finished (15 days vs 30 days through Malacca)
- 13 June 2025 -- Attack on Iranian Revolutionary Guards command structure with support of Bahai cult agents.
>>393063
>Andrei Martyanov
Air defense retiree officer who translates ideas from aftershock.news and global aventure project (quite popular forums for our government-related boomers). He lives in Seattle from early 2000s. A little version of Douglas MacGregor. Actually not bad, I listen some of his speeches during first stage of Ukrainian war, but he is too focused around USA politics instead of military expertise.
About Russian-Iranian military alliance. Maybe possible. Kikes operations rapidly activates here. Right now they trying to blackmail friend of my party through head of a university to make pro-kikery article about war. He is expert of oriental studies and they just activate team in university to disturb his department. They were waiting during Gaza war, they were waiting during Lebanon campaign, but attacks immediately after 16 June. Also, they threaten logistic companies with Iranian contractors.
Quite sad, if Russia cast aside our beneficial neutrality. Currently we have 2/3 economy under control of state corporations, but 1/3 GDP and significant part of civil government still in jewish hands. In recent two decades we replaced them slowly without losses and unnecessary blood. Not because of morality, just lost generation and lack of trusted specialists.
>>393000
Okay, middle eastern poners, if you have information about their operations (like blackmailing, Bahai cult organizations, logistics, contractors), you can do your part for real:
svrgovru24yd42e6mmrnohzs37hb35yqeulvmvkc76e3drb75gs4qrid.onion
>Andrei Martyanov
Air defense retiree officer who translates ideas from aftershock.news and global aventure project (quite popular forums for our government-related boomers). He lives in Seattle from early 2000s. A little version of Douglas MacGregor. Actually not bad, I listen some of his speeches during first stage of Ukrainian war, but he is too focused around USA politics instead of military expertise.
About Russian-Iranian military alliance. Maybe possible. Kikes operations rapidly activates here. Right now they trying to blackmail friend of my party through head of a university to make pro-kikery article about war. He is expert of oriental studies and they just activate team in university to disturb his department. They were waiting during Gaza war, they were waiting during Lebanon campaign, but attacks immediately after 16 June. Also, they threaten logistic companies with Iranian contractors.
Quite sad, if Russia cast aside our beneficial neutrality. Currently we have 2/3 economy under control of state corporations, but 1/3 GDP and significant part of civil government still in jewish hands. In recent two decades we replaced them slowly without losses and unnecessary blood. Not because of morality, just lost generation and lack of trusted specialists.
>>393000
Okay, middle eastern poners, if you have information about their operations (like blackmailing, Bahai cult organizations, logistics, contractors), you can do your part for real:
svrgovru24yd42e6mmrnohzs37hb35yqeulvmvkc76e3drb75gs4qrid.onion
>>393079
>About Russian-Iranian military alliance. Maybe possible. Kikes operations rapidly activates here.
There is some normie brainstorming on it.
>The Presidents of Russia and China Announce the Cardinal Points of the Obvious
https://www.unz.com/article/the-presidents-of-russia-and-china-announce-the-cardinal-points-of-the-obvious/
But if the kikery in the White House and Kremlin is to be noticed, then Rolo Slavskiy won't disappoint.
>Putin Will Save Iran Any Day Now!
https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/putin-will-save-iran-any-day-now
>Why Do Illiterate Conspiracy Kooks and Cranks (bad) Think Putin (patriot!) is a Traitor to Russia?
https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/why-do-illiterate-conspiracy-kooks
>About Russian-Iranian military alliance. Maybe possible. Kikes operations rapidly activates here.
There is some normie brainstorming on it.
>The Presidents of Russia and China Announce the Cardinal Points of the Obvious
https://www.unz.com/article/the-presidents-of-russia-and-china-announce-the-cardinal-points-of-the-obvious/
But if the kikery in the White House and Kremlin is to be noticed, then Rolo Slavskiy won't disappoint.
>Putin Will Save Iran Any Day Now!
https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/putin-will-save-iran-any-day-now
>Why Do Illiterate Conspiracy Kooks and Cranks (bad) Think Putin (patriot!) is a Traitor to Russia?
https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/why-do-illiterate-conspiracy-kooks
>>393081
>But if the kikery in the White House and Kremlin is to be noticed, then Rolo Slavskiy won't disappoint.
Some snippets.
>But if the kikery in the White House and Kremlin is to be noticed, then Rolo Slavskiy won't disappoint.
Some snippets.
>>393082
Putin is a famous jew-lover. He collect comically worst kikes, allows them to make shows on tv and have their own economic projects. If you are absurdly incompetent jew, you will be welcomed. Otherwise, definitely not. If you can't overcome worst filth of the essenes tribe, how can you expect victory against noble ones? As wine-maker say: "Vine should suffer."
Putin is a famous jew-lover. He collect comically worst kikes, allows them to make shows on tv and have their own economic projects. If you are absurdly incompetent jew, you will be welcomed. Otherwise, definitely not. If you can't overcome worst filth of the essenes tribe, how can you expect victory against noble ones? As wine-maker say: "Vine should suffer."
>>392529
>>392956
>Somewhere between Qazvin and Hamadan (120 km from border), if they use SDB with 80-120 km range
Confirmed.
Some details:
- All active Iranian airforces was hidden before war.
- Two destroyed F-14 (Tehran airport) actually disassembled in 2022-2023.
- One destroyed Boeing 707 refuelling tanker (Mashhad airport) active craft.
- 6-10 cobra helicopters (Kermanshah airport) disassembled and under repair.
Second article about war:
https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/1242640.html
>>392956
>Somewhere between Qazvin and Hamadan (120 km from border), if they use SDB with 80-120 km range
Confirmed.
Some details:
- All active Iranian airforces was hidden before war.
- Two destroyed F-14 (Tehran airport) actually disassembled in 2022-2023.
- One destroyed Boeing 707 refuelling tanker (Mashhad airport) active craft.
- 6-10 cobra helicopters (Kermanshah airport) disassembled and under repair.
Second article about war:
https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/1242640.html
IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING!
From one of comments
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The Jews in Occupied Palestine are not crying out to their Messiah for help, but to the USA.
>The chosen ones are fleeing the “promised land” and go home all over the world! #iran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcW3eOaivLA
This video is satire and pure gold. The victim card is denied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcW3eOaivLA
This video is satire and pure gold. The victim card is denied.
It's impossible to invade Iran, that's why regime change must come from the inside.
>Israel genocides Gaza.
>Israel surprise attacks Iran during negotiations.
>Trump, against the NPT, demands zero enrichment
Now Trump get on TV and calls Iran a bully.
This is exactly what is meant by gaslighting. Its a narcissistic trait.
>Don't believe your lying eyes.
>Israel surprise attacks Iran during negotiations.
>Trump, against the NPT, demands zero enrichment
Now Trump get on TV and calls Iran a bully.
This is exactly what is meant by gaslighting. Its a narcissistic trait.
>Don't believe your lying eyes.
>>393111
>gaslighting
>Its a narcissistic trait
Checked.
Given that Trump is an actor playing his role, I'm wondering if when he reads from the teleprompter the speech written by the jew; gaslighting gets turbo charged.
>gaslighting
>Its a narcissistic trait
Checked.
Given that Trump is an actor playing his role, I'm wondering if when he reads from the teleprompter the speech written by the jew; gaslighting gets turbo charged.
Oh God!!! You guys posted so much!
I just managed to connect to the international internet with the help of one of my IT friends.
I think I need to catch up on all the content I missed over the past few days first, and then spam the thread with a bunch of messages in a few hours.
It finally worked!
(Right, I'm the Iranian guy)
I just managed to connect to the international internet with the help of one of my IT friends.
I think I need to catch up on all the content I missed over the past few days first, and then spam the thread with a bunch of messages in a few hours.
It finally worked!
(Right, I'm the Iranian guy)
Putin was asked why he is not assisting Iran.
His response: “Israel today is almost a Russian-speaking country, two million people from the Soviet Union and Russia live there. We take that into account.”
His response: “Israel today is almost a Russian-speaking country, two million people from the Soviet Union and Russia live there. We take that into account.”
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>>393094
>We have completed our very successful attack
>All planes are now outside of Iran air space
>NOW IS TIME FOR PEACE
What a piece of propaganda crap.
1- The American media was talking about bunker-buster bombs which is absurd. The American planes launched missiles from outside the air defense bubble protecting Iran and they cannot penetrate any subterranean installation. Missiles are too small and their payload is tiny for the task required.
2- No American plane entered the Iranian air space because is a suicidal mission. It would require an air campaign of days if not weeks to destroy radar installations and air defense missile launchers, before regular bombers can flight inside Iran without being shot down.
3- Declaring victory and claiming of looking for peace is baloney, the refueling air tankers that flew from America to Europe were moved for a reason, the long bombing campaign described above is already planned and is waiting to start.
>We have completed our very successful attack
>All planes are now outside of Iran air space
>NOW IS TIME FOR PEACE
What a piece of propaganda crap.
1- The American media was talking about bunker-buster bombs which is absurd. The American planes launched missiles from outside the air defense bubble protecting Iran and they cannot penetrate any subterranean installation. Missiles are too small and their payload is tiny for the task required.
2- No American plane entered the Iranian air space because is a suicidal mission. It would require an air campaign of days if not weeks to destroy radar installations and air defense missile launchers, before regular bombers can flight inside Iran without being shot down.
3- Declaring victory and claiming of looking for peace is baloney, the refueling air tankers that flew from America to Europe were moved for a reason, the long bombing campaign described above is already planned and is waiting to start.
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>>393130
You are not understand. Just imagine, if Trump burn bible on live broadcast. This is equivalent of 22 June 4:00 AM bombing. I was participate in 9 may parade in one of southern cities, we have some kind of ancestors cult "The eternal regiment", when descendants of war veterans carry photos of grandfathers. So, I just stand near the street with stop-watch and count up number of citizens in procession. Thousands and thousands, 25% of city population with relatives, killed in Great War. Just imagine this number. And now Trump spit in face every single of them.
This is not just challenge, this is crusade from now.
You are not understand. Just imagine, if Trump burn bible on live broadcast. This is equivalent of 22 June 4:00 AM bombing. I was participate in 9 may parade in one of southern cities, we have some kind of ancestors cult "The eternal regiment", when descendants of war veterans carry photos of grandfathers. So, I just stand near the street with stop-watch and count up number of citizens in procession. Thousands and thousands, 25% of city population with relatives, killed in Great War. Just imagine this number. And now Trump spit in face every single of them.
This is not just challenge, this is crusade from now.
>>393133
Nope, I am not understand.
we didn't declare war, we fixed a problem. It should be done now. All Persia needs to do is stop trying to vaporize the world and we can be done now.
>this is crusade
Whelp, it was nice knowing you then. Bye.
Nope, I am not understand.
we didn't declare war, we fixed a problem. It should be done now. All Persia needs to do is stop trying to vaporize the world and we can be done now.
>this is crusade
Whelp, it was nice knowing you then. Bye.
>>393135
There's a lot more going on than what you're willing to take notice of.
Iran was set up by Killary; part of the U1 scandal that Comey will have to answer for later. This step was needed to cut off the tumor we'd let grow, blinded by the fake-news mainstream.
A lot of terrible open-secrets will need to be cleaned up to free the Iranians to fight for their freedom to be Persia again. No, that's not our deal but we're part of the problem, and Trump has been chosen by the People to make it actually happen.
There's a lot more going on than what you're willing to take notice of.
Iran was set up by Killary; part of the U1 scandal that Comey will have to answer for later. This step was needed to cut off the tumor we'd let grow, blinded by the fake-news mainstream.
A lot of terrible open-secrets will need to be cleaned up to free the Iranians to fight for their freedom to be Persia again. No, that's not our deal but we're part of the problem, and Trump has been chosen by the People to make it actually happen.
>>393136
>Iran was set up by Killary; part of the U1 scandal that Comey will have to answer for later.
I don't care.
>This step was needed to cut off the tumor we'd let grow
Israel is a bigger tumor. Bomb them instead.
>blinded by the fake-news mainstream.
You use right wing terminology like buzzwords, but your words are poison. Glow harder.
>A lot of terrible open-secrets will need to be cleaned up to free the Iranians to fight for their freedom to be Persia again.
None of our business.
>we're part of the problem
Don't care.
>Trump has been chosen by the People to make it actually happen
This is not what we voted for. Fuck off with your Bush-era neocon globohomo faggotry.
>Iran was set up by Killary; part of the U1 scandal that Comey will have to answer for later.
I don't care.
>This step was needed to cut off the tumor we'd let grow
Israel is a bigger tumor. Bomb them instead.
>blinded by the fake-news mainstream.
You use right wing terminology like buzzwords, but your words are poison. Glow harder.
>A lot of terrible open-secrets will need to be cleaned up to free the Iranians to fight for their freedom to be Persia again.
None of our business.
>we're part of the problem
Don't care.
>Trump has been chosen by the People to make it actually happen
This is not what we voted for. Fuck off with your Bush-era neocon globohomo faggotry.
>>393137
>don't care.
Then stop talking as if you did.
>This is not what we voted for.
I voted for freedom. You glow.
>don't care.
Then stop talking as if you did.
>This is not what we voted for.
I voted for freedom. You glow.
>>393138
>Then stop talking as if you did
No. I will speak however I please. I care about the USA not getting involved in sandnigger wars, especially not for the protection of Jews.
>I voted for freedom. You glow.
Lol, lmao even. Shill harder glowie.
>Then stop talking as if you did
No. I will speak however I please. I care about the USA not getting involved in sandnigger wars, especially not for the protection of Jews.
>I voted for freedom. You glow.
Lol, lmao even. Shill harder glowie.
>>393130
You Glownigger chucklefucks couldn't even beat the Taliban after 20 years of fighting.
The result of your war with Iraq was ISIS.
And now you want us to believe that ama war with a country 8 times the size of Iraq will go smoothly? For Israel's benefit?
You sit on a throne of lies. Fuck off.
You Glownigger chucklefucks couldn't even beat the Taliban after 20 years of fighting.
The result of your war with Iraq was ISIS.
And now you want us to believe that ama war with a country 8 times the size of Iraq will go smoothly? For Israel's benefit?
You sit on a throne of lies. Fuck off.
>>393139
>I will speak however I please
I don't care if you speak, I care if you lie to yourself. You do care.
>Shill harder
I posit that MLPOL, of all places, is not for circle jerking. It is for open consideration.
And we've been the source of sandnigger aggression for a long, long time. It needs to be done right, because of the lies used to get them built up.
>>393140
>couldn't even beat the Taliban
That's mostly because we were paying them. Trump shut them down in his first term by cutting off their supply of tax money.
>war with a country 8 times the size of Iraq
There's no war; at least not from the US - Europe might take offense, the globohomos won't go down quietly, but that bombing wasn't a war, it was a warning.
>You sit on a throne of lies. Fuck off.
That's rich. Also, again, this is MLPol. Its okay if we disagree with each other.
>I will speak however I please
I don't care if you speak, I care if you lie to yourself. You do care.
>Shill harder
I posit that MLPOL, of all places, is not for circle jerking. It is for open consideration.
And we've been the source of sandnigger aggression for a long, long time. It needs to be done right, because of the lies used to get them built up.
>>393140
>couldn't even beat the Taliban
That's mostly because we were paying them. Trump shut them down in his first term by cutting off their supply of tax money.
>war with a country 8 times the size of Iraq
There's no war; at least not from the US - Europe might take offense, the globohomos won't go down quietly, but that bombing wasn't a war, it was a warning.
>You sit on a throne of lies. Fuck off.
That's rich. Also, again, this is MLPol. Its okay if we disagree with each other.
>>393141
>You do care.
I literally could not care less about Iran.
I would be thrilled if Israel were destroyed though, so I guess I care about that.
>I posit that MLPOL, of all places, is not for circle jerking. It is for open consideration.
Glowpigs like you show up to shill every time Israel is in major news. Do you get a budget boost every time that happens?
>And we've been the source of sandnigger aggression for a long, long time.
Yes, like funding Israel. Stop funding Israel.
>It needs to be done right, because of the lies used to get them built up
It doesn't need to be done at all. Let Israel fend for itself.
Or better, destroy Israel. That is the one war I would support.
>That's mostly because we were paying them. Trump shut them down in his first term by cutting off their supply of tax money.
I know how it happened, you nitwit. Point still stands.
>There's no war; at least not from the US
Bombing someone is an act of war.
If Russia bombed the USA, but didn't declare war, would you call it a war?
>the globohomos won't go down quietly
>globohomos
You are a disgraceful parasite, spitting buzzwords without knowing their meaning.
Get better material.
>That's rich. Also, again, this is MLPol. Its okay if we disagree with each other.
Sure, you can disagree, and I will call you out every time.
Sit tight on that throne. You're kind will be eradicated.
>You do care.
I literally could not care less about Iran.
I would be thrilled if Israel were destroyed though, so I guess I care about that.
>I posit that MLPOL, of all places, is not for circle jerking. It is for open consideration.
Glowpigs like you show up to shill every time Israel is in major news. Do you get a budget boost every time that happens?
>And we've been the source of sandnigger aggression for a long, long time.
Yes, like funding Israel. Stop funding Israel.
>It needs to be done right, because of the lies used to get them built up
It doesn't need to be done at all. Let Israel fend for itself.
Or better, destroy Israel. That is the one war I would support.
>That's mostly because we were paying them. Trump shut them down in his first term by cutting off their supply of tax money.
I know how it happened, you nitwit. Point still stands.
>There's no war; at least not from the US
Bombing someone is an act of war.
If Russia bombed the USA, but didn't declare war, would you call it a war?
>the globohomos won't go down quietly
>globohomos
You are a disgraceful parasite, spitting buzzwords without knowing their meaning.
Get better material.
>That's rich. Also, again, this is MLPol. Its okay if we disagree with each other.
Sure, you can disagree, and I will call you out every time.
Sit tight on that throne. You're kind will be eradicated.
>>393142
>If Russia bombed the USA, but didn't declare war, would you call it a war?
Depends on what happened the next day. We might declare war on them, but if nobody declared war, and no other bombings happened, it was just posturing.
You've never gotten punched for walking out of a bar? That's not a fight if the other person just keeps walking.
>you are kind will
So close. SO close.
>If Russia bombed the USA, but didn't declare war, would you call it a war?
Depends on what happened the next day. We might declare war on them, but if nobody declared war, and no other bombings happened, it was just posturing.
You've never gotten punched for walking out of a bar? That's not a fight if the other person just keeps walking.
>you are kind will
So close. SO close.
>>393143
>You've never gotten punched for walking out of a bar? That's not a fight if the other person just keeps walking.
Punching someone is provoking a fight.
It really is true, isn't it? The Jew really does cry out in pain as he strikes you.
The Seinfeld days are over, kike. Your tricks don't work on us anymore.
>You've never gotten punched for walking out of a bar? That's not a fight if the other person just keeps walking.
Punching someone is provoking a fight.
It really is true, isn't it? The Jew really does cry out in pain as he strikes you.
The Seinfeld days are over, kike. Your tricks don't work on us anymore.
https://www.jns.org/iaea-no-radiation-spike-after-iran-nuclear-site-strikes/
The U.S. may well have wasted most of their inventory of the largest conventional bombs ever made and failed to do anything significant.
The U.S. may well have wasted most of their inventory of the largest conventional bombs ever made and failed to do anything significant.
>>393123
I'm so glad to see you again. Any insider news? Pretty please! We are starving here.
I'm trying to make timeline of bombings and air defense activities to determine main vector of attack, structure of air operation and number of active aircrafts per day. I gather some data from 4chan (news + timing), but I have only one friend who can confirm/deny from Iranian sources.
Table:
https://paste.debian.net/plainh/ced6bbe4
I'm so glad to see you again. Any insider news? Pretty please! We are starving here.
I'm trying to make timeline of bombings and air defense activities to determine main vector of attack, structure of air operation and number of active aircrafts per day. I gather some data from 4chan (news + timing), but I have only one friend who can confirm/deny from Iranian sources.
Table:
https://paste.debian.net/plainh/ced6bbe4
>>393148
>I'm trying to make timeline of bombings and air defense activities
>and air defense activities
That info can get irananon executed very fast.
>I'm trying to make timeline of bombings and air defense activities
>and air defense activities
That info can get irananon executed very fast.
>>393149
>That info can get irananon executed very fast.
That is a sacrifice that Israel is willing to make.
But, seriously, I mean Air Raid Alarms, like Ukrainian ones. Actually very usefull data.
>That info can get irananon executed very fast.
That is a sacrifice that Israel is willing to make.
But, seriously, I mean Air Raid Alarms, like Ukrainian ones. Actually very usefull data.
That's an odd thing to say.
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...so that happened.
>>393126
>The American planes launched missiles from outside the air defense bubble protecting Iran and they cannot penetrate any subterranean installation. Missiles are too small and their payload is tiny for the task required.
Confirmed. America shot 30 old Tomahawk missiles. It was all a propaganda operation.
>the refueling air tankers that flew from America to Europe were moved for a reason
Confirmed. American planes are massing in Saudi Arabia. War is going to get real soon.
>The American planes launched missiles from outside the air defense bubble protecting Iran and they cannot penetrate any subterranean installation. Missiles are too small and their payload is tiny for the task required.
Confirmed. America shot 30 old Tomahawk missiles. It was all a propaganda operation.
>the refueling air tankers that flew from America to Europe were moved for a reason
Confirmed. American planes are massing in Saudi Arabia. War is going to get real soon.
PUTIN EXPLAINS SITUATION WITH IRAN:
- Iran agreement does not have a defense clause
- Iran does not ask Russia for help
- Iran did not want to cooperate with Russia on air defense previously
Iran fights the fight alone, they’re proud and want to be self reliant.
- Iran agreement does not have a defense clause
- Iran does not ask Russia for help
- Iran did not want to cooperate with Russia on air defense previously
Iran fights the fight alone, they’re proud and want to be self reliant.
jewess influencer who mocked Palestinian victims gets bombed by Iran, her home got destroyed.
>>392216
>>393078
I noticed one thing. They always trying to show that you are nothing, but take a look at their operations: false flags, elections frauds, distraction and assassination. Almost entirely psychological warfare, the cheapest form of war. Maybe they just don't have resources for other kinds of war?
I know 4 types of warfare:
- War of Ares -- military campaign, intimidation.
- War of Athena -- trade war, blockade, war of attrition.
- War of Apollo -- psychological warfare, ideology, media.
- War of Venus -- reproduction, education, replacement, genocide.
Main difference between types of warfare not methods, but time. War of Ares is blitzkrieg. War of Athena may last for years to strangle enemy economy. War of Apollo lasts through decades to reprogramming next generation. War of Venus erase nations through hundreds of years.
During 19th and early 20th century Old Europe was extremely effective in war of Ares/Athena/Apollo, but underestimated Venus aspect and fail miserable to growing USA and USSR. The Cold War was mostly war of Athena and USSR expected victory after Vietnam, because of oil crisis and better energy efficacy, but suddenly makes a row of bad decisions, lost economical war tempo and fail to western media. Contrary to general opinion, fail of Soviet Union was based not on economical problems, but on ideological treachery.
Early 21th century was period of almost pure psychological warfare: social networks, color revolutions. Every single western military campaign was supported by fifth column on the ground with small number of high-tech aviation and economical pressure. Only after 2020s Russia turn the tide to traditional military confrontation and USA with China recently show us classical trade war. I think, during 2020s psychological operations will be transformed from major offensive instrument to support role in military warfare. During stormy 2030s Ares and Athena will prevails with predominance of Ares aspect.
Combination of Shahed drones for long-range barrage and FPV-drones for tactical defense returned warfare to early 20th century. Drone warfare revolution just like artillery revolution during World War 1. Difference in distances. We don't need strongpoints to control frontline, now we have 5-10 km of dead zone between sides and less than 15 soldiers per square kilometer in following 50 km zone. Heavy vehicles almost useless: you can breach line, but you can't hide your tanks without prepared shelters in following days. FPV-drone teams on civilian cars have much better mobility and camouflage. Combined arms battalion even worse than infantry battalion because of more engineering preparations and hardest logistics (shells+artillery+fuel 10 times heavier than drones+car with equal efficacy). Offense too costly compared to war of attrition, but armies must be numerous to endure losses and psychological pressure of drone warfare.
Modern country can draft 5% population maximum (25% of healthy mans). For 10 million Israel army limited by 0.5 million. This is enough for 600 km frontline, but Israel has horrible borders with neglible strategical depth. This is why jews so desperately trying to secure borders of their holy country and weaken every single competitor in region. They just don't have numbers for war of Ares and influence on nearest factions to make muslims fight for them. With air support of 100-200 combat sorties daily Israel can't endure pressure of 0.5 million army with bases in Iraq and Syria, with 2000 FPV-drone teams, 8 millions of FPV-drone strikes and 400k loses with 80k KIA during year-long war. Russia can train such number of Iranian drone teams in 2 years and 8 million of drones means just 200k ton of munition, which can be transported easily through Iran-China railroad (though 0.5 million army logistics with 200-300k ton/month other supplies through Iraq and Syria under airstrikes will be much more tricky than Israeli sea logistics).
I think jews considered threat of drone warfare very seriously and ready to any treachery to harm Iran just because of Iran-China railroad. Egypt can be blocked and starved, Turkey can be blocked and politically unstable, but Iran has two secured supply routes with China and Russia. If USA starts military campaign to block South China Sea, Israel will be in peril, because it is weak spot for american jews.
>>393078
I noticed one thing. They always trying to show that you are nothing, but take a look at their operations: false flags, elections frauds, distraction and assassination. Almost entirely psychological warfare, the cheapest form of war. Maybe they just don't have resources for other kinds of war?
I know 4 types of warfare:
- War of Ares -- military campaign, intimidation.
- War of Athena -- trade war, blockade, war of attrition.
- War of Apollo -- psychological warfare, ideology, media.
- War of Venus -- reproduction, education, replacement, genocide.
Main difference between types of warfare not methods, but time. War of Ares is blitzkrieg. War of Athena may last for years to strangle enemy economy. War of Apollo lasts through decades to reprogramming next generation. War of Venus erase nations through hundreds of years.
During 19th and early 20th century Old Europe was extremely effective in war of Ares/Athena/Apollo, but underestimated Venus aspect and fail miserable to growing USA and USSR. The Cold War was mostly war of Athena and USSR expected victory after Vietnam, because of oil crisis and better energy efficacy, but suddenly makes a row of bad decisions, lost economical war tempo and fail to western media. Contrary to general opinion, fail of Soviet Union was based not on economical problems, but on ideological treachery.
Early 21th century was period of almost pure psychological warfare: social networks, color revolutions. Every single western military campaign was supported by fifth column on the ground with small number of high-tech aviation and economical pressure. Only after 2020s Russia turn the tide to traditional military confrontation and USA with China recently show us classical trade war. I think, during 2020s psychological operations will be transformed from major offensive instrument to support role in military warfare. During stormy 2030s Ares and Athena will prevails with predominance of Ares aspect.
Combination of Shahed drones for long-range barrage and FPV-drones for tactical defense returned warfare to early 20th century. Drone warfare revolution just like artillery revolution during World War 1. Difference in distances. We don't need strongpoints to control frontline, now we have 5-10 km of dead zone between sides and less than 15 soldiers per square kilometer in following 50 km zone. Heavy vehicles almost useless: you can breach line, but you can't hide your tanks without prepared shelters in following days. FPV-drone teams on civilian cars have much better mobility and camouflage. Combined arms battalion even worse than infantry battalion because of more engineering preparations and hardest logistics (shells+artillery+fuel 10 times heavier than drones+car with equal efficacy). Offense too costly compared to war of attrition, but armies must be numerous to endure losses and psychological pressure of drone warfare.
Modern country can draft 5% population maximum (25% of healthy mans). For 10 million Israel army limited by 0.5 million. This is enough for 600 km frontline, but Israel has horrible borders with neglible strategical depth. This is why jews so desperately trying to secure borders of their holy country and weaken every single competitor in region. They just don't have numbers for war of Ares and influence on nearest factions to make muslims fight for them. With air support of 100-200 combat sorties daily Israel can't endure pressure of 0.5 million army with bases in Iraq and Syria, with 2000 FPV-drone teams, 8 millions of FPV-drone strikes and 400k loses with 80k KIA during year-long war. Russia can train such number of Iranian drone teams in 2 years and 8 million of drones means just 200k ton of munition, which can be transported easily through Iran-China railroad (though 0.5 million army logistics with 200-300k ton/month other supplies through Iraq and Syria under airstrikes will be much more tricky than Israeli sea logistics).
I think jews considered threat of drone warfare very seriously and ready to any treachery to harm Iran just because of Iran-China railroad. Egypt can be blocked and starved, Turkey can be blocked and politically unstable, but Iran has two secured supply routes with China and Russia. If USA starts military campaign to block South China Sea, Israel will be in peril, because it is weak spot for american jews.
If only the jews weren't so hasty in bribing their way to holding jerusalem, they wouldn't have to stress themselves over irate muslims every day. I reckon living in half-glassed desert for a whole century has really dented the minds of the people there.
No joke, I'm really starting to think Trump is "خدازده"! (Persian term)
Why the fuck did he say this??! Does he still hope to win the nobel peace prize???
He says once he doesn't want to go to war, then says he won't go to war for two weeks, then says Iran needs to come back to the negotiations, then says the regime in Iran has to be changed, then says peace has to happen. And now he's acting like everything's over with a happy ending. Does no one drug test this guy? This isn't some multi-dimensional chess anymore, Trump's trying to fool Iran, Israel, Europe, America, his own cabinet, and even himself! I swear, Trump's playing checkers with chess pieces or something!
Why the fuck did he say this??! Does he still hope to win the nobel peace prize???
He says once he doesn't want to go to war, then says he won't go to war for two weeks, then says Iran needs to come back to the negotiations, then says the regime in Iran has to be changed, then says peace has to happen. And now he's acting like everything's over with a happy ending. Does no one drug test this guy? This isn't some multi-dimensional chess anymore, Trump's trying to fool Iran, Israel, Europe, America, his own cabinet, and even himself! I swear, Trump's playing checkers with chess pieces or something!
>>393176
Honestly, in my opinion, the nobel peace prize is the dumbest nobel award and just makes the whole scientific foundation look like a joke. But Trump can't just attack Iran (not even with a false flag) and then suddenly end the war all at once.
If anyone can start a war and then say they want peace, so does that mean if, say, Khamenei suddenly declares peace, he's suddenly a nobel peace prize candidate? I think Trump totally blew his chance, and the peace prize isn't *that* dumb anymore to give it to someone as controversial as him.
Honestly, in my opinion, the nobel peace prize is the dumbest nobel award and just makes the whole scientific foundation look like a joke. But Trump can't just attack Iran (not even with a false flag) and then suddenly end the war all at once.
If anyone can start a war and then say they want peace, so does that mean if, say, Khamenei suddenly declares peace, he's suddenly a nobel peace prize candidate? I think Trump totally blew his chance, and the peace prize isn't *that* dumb anymore to give it to someone as controversial as him.
>>393175
>Why the fuck did he say this?
>He says once he doesn't want to go to war, then says he won't go to war for two weeks, then says Iran needs to come back to the negotiations, then says the regime in Iran has to be changed, then says peace has to happen.
My suspicion is advanced schizophrenia powered by dope.
>Why the fuck did he say this?
>He says once he doesn't want to go to war, then says he won't go to war for two weeks, then says Iran needs to come back to the negotiations, then says the regime in Iran has to be changed, then says peace has to happen.
My suspicion is advanced schizophrenia powered by dope.
Alright anons, I was working on a few long-ass replies to cover most of the earlier posts, but for now I gotta drop some takes in this critical moment:
First off, I always saw this war with the U.S as some gay slap-fight, but the one with Israel is at least a bit more serious.
Right now, neither Iran nor Israel really has decent air defense. Israel, with all its bragging about "iron dome this, iron beam that" is getting smacked around and can't even intercept most of Iran's incoming stuff. So basically this war has turned into a no-guard boxing match, and here's the kicker:
Everyone kinda knows that in a war of attrition, Iran wins in the long run. Israel's small. No depth, no real capacity for prolonged direct warfare like Iran does.
So when Israel felt the heat, it dragged the U.S in. And what did America do? A gay little show strike, hit a couple empty nuclear sites, and we're not even sure if they hit anything important. Iran then responded with its own show strike, hitting America's biggest base in the region, which was also empty.
(For >>393171 ,a few missiles hit something, there's footage going around despite the censorship, but still, not much effect. Just theater.)
IMO, Trump's trying to toss the ball into Iran's court, pretending like he's not the one escalating, but it's laughable.
I'd say there's a 98% chance Iran won't go for peace (2% chance they might, cause let's be real, Iran's got some dumbass politicians who might fall for the bait). Trump probably still doesn't get how nationalist Iran is right now, he thinks Iranians are just gonna chill and be grateful or something.
My prediction: Trump wants to stall things and give Israel time to recover (even though numerically, Israel took more damage). But unlike Israel, Iran doesn't live off foreign taxpayers' money. So the U.S will probably push for internal regime change, more likely than a direct strike. That's the most realistic scenario if Iran falls into that 2%.
As of now, Iran most likely won't accept peace and will keep going, probably without hitting the U.S again, instead doubling down on attrition against Israel. And even if the U.S goes full rogue and assassinates Khamenei, whether peace happens or not, I don't think the regime falls. His more radical son would likely take over and might even order an actual nuke strike.
And if they take out his son too? Then it's game over, Iran becomes a straight-up pissed-off military regime, even more dangerous for Israel.
Honestly, I think the reason Khamenei hasn't been taken out yet is because both the U.S and Israel know he's been the one guy stopping an all-out atomic war.
So yeah, it all comes down to whether Iran chooses that 2% or the 98%.
First off, I always saw this war with the U.S as some gay slap-fight, but the one with Israel is at least a bit more serious.
Right now, neither Iran nor Israel really has decent air defense. Israel, with all its bragging about "iron dome this, iron beam that" is getting smacked around and can't even intercept most of Iran's incoming stuff. So basically this war has turned into a no-guard boxing match, and here's the kicker:
Everyone kinda knows that in a war of attrition, Iran wins in the long run. Israel's small. No depth, no real capacity for prolonged direct warfare like Iran does.
So when Israel felt the heat, it dragged the U.S in. And what did America do? A gay little show strike, hit a couple empty nuclear sites, and we're not even sure if they hit anything important. Iran then responded with its own show strike, hitting America's biggest base in the region, which was also empty.
(For >>393171 ,a few missiles hit something, there's footage going around despite the censorship, but still, not much effect. Just theater.)
IMO, Trump's trying to toss the ball into Iran's court, pretending like he's not the one escalating, but it's laughable.
I'd say there's a 98% chance Iran won't go for peace (2% chance they might, cause let's be real, Iran's got some dumbass politicians who might fall for the bait). Trump probably still doesn't get how nationalist Iran is right now, he thinks Iranians are just gonna chill and be grateful or something.
My prediction: Trump wants to stall things and give Israel time to recover (even though numerically, Israel took more damage). But unlike Israel, Iran doesn't live off foreign taxpayers' money. So the U.S will probably push for internal regime change, more likely than a direct strike. That's the most realistic scenario if Iran falls into that 2%.
As of now, Iran most likely won't accept peace and will keep going, probably without hitting the U.S again, instead doubling down on attrition against Israel. And even if the U.S goes full rogue and assassinates Khamenei, whether peace happens or not, I don't think the regime falls. His more radical son would likely take over and might even order an actual nuke strike.
And if they take out his son too? Then it's game over, Iran becomes a straight-up pissed-off military regime, even more dangerous for Israel.
Honestly, I think the reason Khamenei hasn't been taken out yet is because both the U.S and Israel know he's been the one guy stopping an all-out atomic war.
So yeah, it all comes down to whether Iran chooses that 2% or the 98%.
>>393183
You're riding khamenei's cock too much, he's not that much of a keeping things cool guy he's no different than his son or other iranian generals
You're riding khamenei's cock too much, he's not that much of a keeping things cool guy he's no different than his son or other iranian generals
>>393179
We're talking about the nobel foundation here. A democrat or someone on the left has always had a better shot at winning than a republican or anyone on the right. The nobel is so left-leaning, they wouldn't give that prize to Trump even under normal circumstances, let alone now!
We're talking about the nobel foundation here. A democrat or someone on the left has always had a better shot at winning than a republican or anyone on the right. The nobel is so left-leaning, they wouldn't give that prize to Trump even under normal circumstances, let alone now!
>>393184
I don't think you actually know my stance on this guy. Scroll up and see who’s been criticizing him, that was me.
The only reason our interests align right now is because we share a common enemy. Otherwise, under normal circumstances, I genuinely hate him. Even now, I'd rather see him assassinated than see Israel get threatened by someone even more radical.
Also, don't argue with someone you clearly know less than. I even know the difference between him and his son. You arabs will never know more than an Iranian about another Iranian, especially when the topic is an Iranian.
So please, in this particular case, just shut up and accept that this man's existence is in Israel's favor. Otherwise, Israel would've taken him out already.
I don't think you actually know my stance on this guy. Scroll up and see who’s been criticizing him, that was me.
The only reason our interests align right now is because we share a common enemy. Otherwise, under normal circumstances, I genuinely hate him. Even now, I'd rather see him assassinated than see Israel get threatened by someone even more radical.
Also, don't argue with someone you clearly know less than. I even know the difference between him and his son. You arabs will never know more than an Iranian about another Iranian, especially when the topic is an Iranian.
So please, in this particular case, just shut up and accept that this man's existence is in Israel's favor. Otherwise, Israel would've taken him out already.
>>393186
>accept that this man's existence is in Israel's favor. Otherwise, Israel would've taken him out already.
Do you think i haven't already realized that? Enmity between iran and israel is just kid's play, if anything they're allies
Us arabs have known this for decades and most iranians aren't even able to comprehend it, silly
>accept that this man's existence is in Israel's favor. Otherwise, Israel would've taken him out already.
Do you think i haven't already realized that? Enmity between iran and israel is just kid's play, if anything they're allies
Us arabs have known this for decades and most iranians aren't even able to comprehend it, silly
>>393183
There were always going to be breaches of Israel's defenses, because Irans chief military tactic is "swarming", where they routinely launch out-sized attacks with multiple cheap platforms (drones, rockets, small boats, etc.) in the hopes of overwhelming the enemy's defenses and getting some of the attack through. It's tough on their resources, of course, which is why they are likely to accept the cease-fire, so they have time to re-arm.
There were always going to be breaches of Israel's defenses, because Irans chief military tactic is "swarming", where they routinely launch out-sized attacks with multiple cheap platforms (drones, rockets, small boats, etc.) in the hopes of overwhelming the enemy's defenses and getting some of the attack through. It's tough on their resources, of course, which is why they are likely to accept the cease-fire, so they have time to re-arm.
>>393194
>Kabuki Theater
Well, the theory that they are ALL playing in the same team and performing a show for the masses is getting more real.
>Kabuki Theater
Well, the theory that they are ALL playing in the same team and performing a show for the masses is getting more real.
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>>393187
Silly???
You are the sillies to think this way. What exactly have the arabs known for decades?! You don't even know yourselves!
In the six-day War, almost all of you arabs were defeated by Israel, with your ridiculous pan-arabist spirit! What happened? Why is that spirit gone? Why don't you support the palestinian arabs anymore? Why does Iran, a non-arab country, support them more than you arabs do? (Of course, if you think Iran supports palestine solely out of compassion, you are seriously mistaken! Palestine is a pawn and a pretext for Iran's influence, but I cannot ignore that fortunately(or unfortunately) we have been a compassionate people even for you fools.)
So what happened that in your arab culture you betray each other so easily?! Don't tell me you want to say palestine is no longer arab? Or maybe your arab sheikhs have gotten so fat from oil money that they prefer to abandon their ideals?
You arabs know (I don't think you're so foolish as to not understand this simple point), but you even betray your own ideals, and you know it. Yet you try to fool yourselves into thinking that this is better and smarter! Yes, for now your countries are not collapsing because you are getting fat off oil money. But suppose, for example, Iran closes the strait of Hormuz for a month, your sheikhs would go crazy! You would tear each other apart! Every tribe and faction would divide your countries because your money would be running out!
And now you think you're really in a good position? You have officially become America's colony! Even with all those big and lucrative deals, you couldn't convince Trump to call the Persian Gulf the "Fucking Arabian Gulf." You have been literally fucked by American bases and companies, but you prefer to live in your fragile palaces. Arab independence has been dead for a long time. Just last night it was proven that you arabs only need to see a few missiles in the sky and, like your semitic cousins, you scream and run away! (Watch the video, idiot!) Even Sadam and the Iraqis(who, because of their relative closeness to Iranians, have somewhat more dignity than the rest of you arabs) couldn't defeat the Iranians, who had just changed government and were mired in internal conflicts and sanctions, despite all foreign support. In the end, this symbol of your pan-arabism fucked his own people more than anyone else and was fucked himself.
Your regime is just a picture of money, behind which structural corruption, a class system, and poverty exist that you cannot properly cover up.
And the moment you become useless to America, you will easily be discarded and perish with your arrogant stupidity.
And by the way, Iran and Israel allies??! You're really an idiot!
Iran, throughout almost its entire history, has never had a serious relationship with the jews. We freed them, and in return, they celebrate Purim (although the book of Esther is easily found to have historical inaccuracies and is unreliable, but the important thing is that your semitic cousins still celebrate Purim and believe in it). Even many Iranian opposition groups have problems with jews (I will talk about Iranian opposition in the future). Even that fool (Reza Pahlavi 2) tries to have relations with Israel simply because it is the enemy of his enemy. Even his father opposed Israel and only due to American pressure was forced to have relations with it, which was one of the reasons for the revolution against him. The word "Jew"(یهودی) in Iranian culture has always had a negative connotation, and the regime had to eventually replace it with the word "Kalimi" (کلیمی) so people would have less negative attitudes toward the few jews in Iran. In reality, Iran has never been allied with Israel, being allied with Israel is meaningless because they are people who always look down on others, and this is incompatible with the Iranian spirit that refuses to compromise with them.
Now you try to justify that by opposing Israel, the regime gave Israel an excuse for more infiltration and war. You arabs always want to find a reason, even if you have to pull it out of your ass! If Iran cooperated, you would say Iran helps Israel, so they are allies. If Iran stayed neutral, you would say Iran indirectly supports Israel willingly. If Iran opposes, you say Iran gives Israel an excuse, so they are allies. In every case, you say your ridiculous nonsense. But have you ever looked at yourselves??! You have officially become Israel's servants, trampled on your ideals, and even betrayed your own sects (and even abandoned your sunni ideology!). You pretend to oppose Israel, but you maintain relations with it and empower it, and when Iran attacks Israel, you shut up because you are cowards! In the end, Israel with its "fucking greater Israel" dream invades half of your arab lands and you do nothing.
Of course, if you think Iranians do not know you arabs, you are seriously mistaken, fools!
Almost all Iranians hate you arabs (they have no problem with the Arabs of Khuzestan, because they are honorable Iranians who stood against your pan-arabism in the Iran-Iraq war), and know that you are slaves to money and pleasure!
There is a story that says a jew, an Iranian, and an arab are given money. The Iranian uses the money to make weapons and armor and strengthen his city. The jew uses the money to expand his trade and make more money. And the arab uses the money to buy goods from the jew and lives in the Iranian city, pays taxes to him, and wastes all his time on pleasure and laziness.
Yes, this is your essence! That's why when Iran's oil was priced in triple digits and it sold a lot, it used that money to strengthen other industries and advance its existence, like this nuclear thing (although I will later talk about some mistakes and my views on alternatives), but you arabs, instead of developing your real infrastructure, are only focused on appearances. In the end, your oil will run out and you will be overthrown.
Silly???
You are the sillies to think this way. What exactly have the arabs known for decades?! You don't even know yourselves!
In the six-day War, almost all of you arabs were defeated by Israel, with your ridiculous pan-arabist spirit! What happened? Why is that spirit gone? Why don't you support the palestinian arabs anymore? Why does Iran, a non-arab country, support them more than you arabs do? (Of course, if you think Iran supports palestine solely out of compassion, you are seriously mistaken! Palestine is a pawn and a pretext for Iran's influence, but I cannot ignore that fortunately(or unfortunately) we have been a compassionate people even for you fools.)
So what happened that in your arab culture you betray each other so easily?! Don't tell me you want to say palestine is no longer arab? Or maybe your arab sheikhs have gotten so fat from oil money that they prefer to abandon their ideals?
You arabs know (I don't think you're so foolish as to not understand this simple point), but you even betray your own ideals, and you know it. Yet you try to fool yourselves into thinking that this is better and smarter! Yes, for now your countries are not collapsing because you are getting fat off oil money. But suppose, for example, Iran closes the strait of Hormuz for a month, your sheikhs would go crazy! You would tear each other apart! Every tribe and faction would divide your countries because your money would be running out!
And now you think you're really in a good position? You have officially become America's colony! Even with all those big and lucrative deals, you couldn't convince Trump to call the Persian Gulf the "Fucking Arabian Gulf." You have been literally fucked by American bases and companies, but you prefer to live in your fragile palaces. Arab independence has been dead for a long time. Just last night it was proven that you arabs only need to see a few missiles in the sky and, like your semitic cousins, you scream and run away! (Watch the video, idiot!) Even Sadam and the Iraqis(who, because of their relative closeness to Iranians, have somewhat more dignity than the rest of you arabs) couldn't defeat the Iranians, who had just changed government and were mired in internal conflicts and sanctions, despite all foreign support. In the end, this symbol of your pan-arabism fucked his own people more than anyone else and was fucked himself.
Your regime is just a picture of money, behind which structural corruption, a class system, and poverty exist that you cannot properly cover up.
And the moment you become useless to America, you will easily be discarded and perish with your arrogant stupidity.
And by the way, Iran and Israel allies??! You're really an idiot!
Iran, throughout almost its entire history, has never had a serious relationship with the jews. We freed them, and in return, they celebrate Purim (although the book of Esther is easily found to have historical inaccuracies and is unreliable, but the important thing is that your semitic cousins still celebrate Purim and believe in it). Even many Iranian opposition groups have problems with jews (I will talk about Iranian opposition in the future). Even that fool (Reza Pahlavi 2) tries to have relations with Israel simply because it is the enemy of his enemy. Even his father opposed Israel and only due to American pressure was forced to have relations with it, which was one of the reasons for the revolution against him. The word "Jew"(یهودی) in Iranian culture has always had a negative connotation, and the regime had to eventually replace it with the word "Kalimi" (کلیمی) so people would have less negative attitudes toward the few jews in Iran. In reality, Iran has never been allied with Israel, being allied with Israel is meaningless because they are people who always look down on others, and this is incompatible with the Iranian spirit that refuses to compromise with them.
Now you try to justify that by opposing Israel, the regime gave Israel an excuse for more infiltration and war. You arabs always want to find a reason, even if you have to pull it out of your ass! If Iran cooperated, you would say Iran helps Israel, so they are allies. If Iran stayed neutral, you would say Iran indirectly supports Israel willingly. If Iran opposes, you say Iran gives Israel an excuse, so they are allies. In every case, you say your ridiculous nonsense. But have you ever looked at yourselves??! You have officially become Israel's servants, trampled on your ideals, and even betrayed your own sects (and even abandoned your sunni ideology!). You pretend to oppose Israel, but you maintain relations with it and empower it, and when Iran attacks Israel, you shut up because you are cowards! In the end, Israel with its "fucking greater Israel" dream invades half of your arab lands and you do nothing.
Of course, if you think Iranians do not know you arabs, you are seriously mistaken, fools!
Almost all Iranians hate you arabs (they have no problem with the Arabs of Khuzestan, because they are honorable Iranians who stood against your pan-arabism in the Iran-Iraq war), and know that you are slaves to money and pleasure!
There is a story that says a jew, an Iranian, and an arab are given money. The Iranian uses the money to make weapons and armor and strengthen his city. The jew uses the money to expand his trade and make more money. And the arab uses the money to buy goods from the jew and lives in the Iranian city, pays taxes to him, and wastes all his time on pleasure and laziness.
Yes, this is your essence! That's why when Iran's oil was priced in triple digits and it sold a lot, it used that money to strengthen other industries and advance its existence, like this nuclear thing (although I will later talk about some mistakes and my views on alternatives), but you arabs, instead of developing your real infrastructure, are only focused on appearances. In the end, your oil will run out and you will be overthrown.
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>>393188
Sorry, but you remind me of those dinosaurs who looked up at the sky and said how beautiful that meteor was.
Just because Trump acts, doesn't mean his intentions are truly what they seem. Even right now, if peace happens, Israel has more than enough excuses to bleed you Americans dry for "damages", and then prepare for the next attack and the next round of expenses, on your dime.
The survival of Israel is actually against your own interests.
Just saying…
Sorry, but you remind me of those dinosaurs who looked up at the sky and said how beautiful that meteor was.
Just because Trump acts, doesn't mean his intentions are truly what they seem. Even right now, if peace happens, Israel has more than enough excuses to bleed you Americans dry for "damages", and then prepare for the next attack and the next round of expenses, on your dime.
The survival of Israel is actually against your own interests.
Just saying…
>>393189
Thanks, anon.
And I'm happy you didn't take it serious, These are just some argument and explaining some obvious points to the other side.
Thanks, anon.
And I'm happy you didn't take it serious, These are just some argument and explaining some obvious points to the other side.
>>393191
What you're saying makes sense, but I'll say it again, I don't think Iran will accept. Though, it depends.
What you're saying makes sense, but I'll say it again, I don't think Iran will accept. Though, it depends.
>>393197
>Just because Trump acts, doesn't mean his intentions are truly what they seem.
I don't care about intentions. I just don't want to get dragged into any more wars. I don't care if he looks obnoxious and retarded, so long as it ends here.
>Even right now, if peace happens, Israel has more than enough excuses to bleed you Americans dry for "damages", and then prepare for the next attack and the next round of expenses, on your dime.
They would do that no matter what the circumstances.
>The survival of Israel is actually against your own interests.
I know that. I hope they all die.
>Just because Trump acts, doesn't mean his intentions are truly what they seem.
I don't care about intentions. I just don't want to get dragged into any more wars. I don't care if he looks obnoxious and retarded, so long as it ends here.
>Even right now, if peace happens, Israel has more than enough excuses to bleed you Americans dry for "damages", and then prepare for the next attack and the next round of expenses, on your dime.
They would do that no matter what the circumstances.
>The survival of Israel is actually against your own interests.
I know that. I hope they all die.
>>393201
Well yes, I'm definitely glad that at least I'm not going to fight people who themselves don't believe in this war. But at the same time, I know that in the end, Trump won't act in your favor. This is probably just to please some MAGA supporters before he wants to use them again. What matters is the outcome, and I don't think it will be a good one... But in any case, let's hope this conflict stays between the jews and the Iranians. Personally, I prefer no other country gets involved in my war.
Well yes, I'm definitely glad that at least I'm not going to fight people who themselves don't believe in this war. But at the same time, I know that in the end, Trump won't act in your favor. This is probably just to please some MAGA supporters before he wants to use them again. What matters is the outcome, and I don't think it will be a good one... But in any case, let's hope this conflict stays between the jews and the Iranians. Personally, I prefer no other country gets involved in my war.
>>393196
Thanks anon, I learned more about Iran from your posts than from hours of lectures.
>>393194
Sad story, actually. One of my friends and poner, who scanned and translated rare military manuals for me was killed on the opposite side. And another one run from Ukraine to Israel before war. Pint of Jewish blood and providence saved him at that time, but no one know for how long. This spiral of escalation dragged us too low and no one ready to stop, or at least show some mercy to enemy, since each side already spend too much efforts to victory in this war. And this is mostly Russian fault, because of our initial arrogance and still lasting disrespect.
>>393201
>I hope they all die.
I'm not. Despite my personal attitude, I was worried about Jewish future. I know, they deserve no more mercy that they show to Palestinians, but Putin was right when he called Israel Russian-speaking country. And now they are hated everywhere on the world, even Americans almost ready to gas another 6 million kikes. And even in this situation they don't show any nobility, just more arrogance. Ending is predictable, but still sad.
At least, it will be hilarious, when our media kikes who run to Israel from the prison-of-nations will be forced to run back to our patient and merciful Jew-loving fuhrer.
Thanks anon, I learned more about Iran from your posts than from hours of lectures.
>>393194
Sad story, actually. One of my friends and poner, who scanned and translated rare military manuals for me was killed on the opposite side. And another one run from Ukraine to Israel before war. Pint of Jewish blood and providence saved him at that time, but no one know for how long. This spiral of escalation dragged us too low and no one ready to stop, or at least show some mercy to enemy, since each side already spend too much efforts to victory in this war. And this is mostly Russian fault, because of our initial arrogance and still lasting disrespect.
>>393201
>I hope they all die.
I'm not. Despite my personal attitude, I was worried about Jewish future. I know, they deserve no more mercy that they show to Palestinians, but Putin was right when he called Israel Russian-speaking country. And now they are hated everywhere on the world, even Americans almost ready to gas another 6 million kikes. And even in this situation they don't show any nobility, just more arrogance. Ending is predictable, but still sad.
At least, it will be hilarious, when our media kikes who run to Israel from the prison-of-nations will be forced to run back to our patient and merciful Jew-loving fuhrer.
>>393205
Good to hear that, anon. As I said, I'll talk more about Iran in the future days. I think it may help you, or anyone else want to know about it. I haven't said about a lot of things, yet.
Good to hear that, anon. As I said, I'll talk more about Iran in the future days. I think it may help you, or anyone else want to know about it. I haven't said about a lot of things, yet.
>>393205
>I was worried about Jewish future.
Me too. There is a very probable chance some of them will escape execution and survive.
F
>I was worried about Jewish future.
Me too. There is a very probable chance some of them will escape execution and survive.
F
>>393196
The answer to this really depends on the personal knowledge of each someone, some people have studied arab history, culture, methodology and can rant about it for you for hours, and some people are just whiney peckeys who want to find negatives in arabs like (You)
>In the six-day War, almost all of you arabs were defeated by Israel, with your ridiculous pan-arabist spirit! What happened? Why is that spirit gone?
Because pan-arabism is a dead retarded ideology, arab leaders have learned to not fuck with israel a long time ago
>Why don't you support the palestinian arabs anymore?
We literally do though? We send them humanitarian aid all the time
>Why does Iran, a non-arab country, support them more than you arabs do?
Iran sees palestine as nothing but a tool that serves their interests, if they really care for palestine then they would've already sent their own forces to die and fight for palestinian soil but they didn't, all they can do is give their puppet militants in foreign countries some guns and rockets because they're cowards who are afraid of having a real face to face ground war with israel
>(Of course, if you think Iran supports palestine solely out of compassion,
Well yeah i just explained that
>you are seriously mistaken! Palestine is a pawn and a pretext for Iran's influence, but I cannot ignore that fortunately(or unfortunately) we have been a compassionate people even for you fools.)
Lol no, literally ask any palestinian about iran and 99% of the time they would say negative things about it because they realize that as i said, iran sees them as nothing but a tool and not a "pretext" or an ally
>So what happened that in your arab culture you betray each other so easily?!
Betrayals happened easily in all parts and cultures of the world
>Don't tell me you want to say palestine is no longer arab?
Nope
>Or maybe your arab sheikhs have gotten so fat from oil money that they prefer to abandon their ideals?
What sheikhs?
>You arabs know (I don't think you're so foolish as to not understand this simple point), but you even betray your own ideals, and you know it. Yet you try to fool yourselves into thinking that this is better and smarter!
What are you exactly referring by "your own ideals" here? Do you basically other arabs in general, or arabs who share the same political positions and ideologies?
>Yes, for now your countries are not collapsing because you are getting fat off oil money. But suppose, for example, Iran closes the strait of Hormuz for a month, your sheikhs would go crazy! You would tear each other apart! Every tribe and faction would divide your countries because your money would be running out!
And now you think you're really in a good position?
This argument doesn't matter because you're using a non realistic example, iran doesn't have the balls to do that
>You have officially become America's colony! Even with all those big and lucrative deals, you couldn't convince Trump to call the Persian Gulf the "Fucking Arabian Gulf."
No arab cares about what that orange retard calls stuff by
>You have been literally fucked by American bases and companies, but you prefer to live in your fragile palaces.
This reeks of envy, you're just seething because some arabs live between luxurious societies while you live in the slums of tehran lmfao
>Arab independence has been dead for a long time.
Unfortunately if i'm gonna be completely honest it was never alive
>Just last night it was proven that you arabs only need to see a few missiles in the sky and, like your semitic cousins, you scream and run away! (Watch the video, idiot!)
How else do you want them to react to missles flying over them?
>Even Sadam and the Iraqis(who, because of their relative closeness to Iranians, have somewhat more dignity than the rest of you arabs) couldn't defeat the Iranians who had just changed government and were mired in internal conflicts and sanctions, despite all foreign support. In the end, this symbol of your pan-arabism fucked his own people more than anyone else and was fucked himself.
This is pretty much the only thing i might agree with you on, ba'athism has been only bringing arabs downhill
>Your regime is just a picture of money, behind which structural corruption, a class system, and poverty exist that you cannot properly cover up.
This is pretty ironic said by an iranian, just take a glance at your shithole (picrel)
The answer to this really depends on the personal knowledge of each someone, some people have studied arab history, culture, methodology and can rant about it for you for hours, and some people are just whiney peckeys who want to find negatives in arabs like (You)
>In the six-day War, almost all of you arabs were defeated by Israel, with your ridiculous pan-arabist spirit! What happened? Why is that spirit gone?
Because pan-arabism is a dead retarded ideology, arab leaders have learned to not fuck with israel a long time ago
>Why don't you support the palestinian arabs anymore?
We literally do though? We send them humanitarian aid all the time
>Why does Iran, a non-arab country, support them more than you arabs do?
Iran sees palestine as nothing but a tool that serves their interests, if they really care for palestine then they would've already sent their own forces to die and fight for palestinian soil but they didn't, all they can do is give their puppet militants in foreign countries some guns and rockets because they're cowards who are afraid of having a real face to face ground war with israel
>(Of course, if you think Iran supports palestine solely out of compassion,
Well yeah i just explained that
>you are seriously mistaken! Palestine is a pawn and a pretext for Iran's influence, but I cannot ignore that fortunately(or unfortunately) we have been a compassionate people even for you fools.)
Lol no, literally ask any palestinian about iran and 99% of the time they would say negative things about it because they realize that as i said, iran sees them as nothing but a tool and not a "pretext" or an ally
>So what happened that in your arab culture you betray each other so easily?!
Betrayals happened easily in all parts and cultures of the world
>Don't tell me you want to say palestine is no longer arab?
Nope
>Or maybe your arab sheikhs have gotten so fat from oil money that they prefer to abandon their ideals?
What sheikhs?
>You arabs know (I don't think you're so foolish as to not understand this simple point), but you even betray your own ideals, and you know it. Yet you try to fool yourselves into thinking that this is better and smarter!
What are you exactly referring by "your own ideals" here? Do you basically other arabs in general, or arabs who share the same political positions and ideologies?
>Yes, for now your countries are not collapsing because you are getting fat off oil money. But suppose, for example, Iran closes the strait of Hormuz for a month, your sheikhs would go crazy! You would tear each other apart! Every tribe and faction would divide your countries because your money would be running out!
And now you think you're really in a good position?
This argument doesn't matter because you're using a non realistic example, iran doesn't have the balls to do that
>You have officially become America's colony! Even with all those big and lucrative deals, you couldn't convince Trump to call the Persian Gulf the "Fucking Arabian Gulf."
No arab cares about what that orange retard calls stuff by
>You have been literally fucked by American bases and companies, but you prefer to live in your fragile palaces.
This reeks of envy, you're just seething because some arabs live between luxurious societies while you live in the slums of tehran lmfao
>Arab independence has been dead for a long time.
Unfortunately if i'm gonna be completely honest it was never alive
>Just last night it was proven that you arabs only need to see a few missiles in the sky and, like your semitic cousins, you scream and run away! (Watch the video, idiot!)
How else do you want them to react to missles flying over them?
>Even Sadam and the Iraqis(who, because of their relative closeness to Iranians, have somewhat more dignity than the rest of you arabs) couldn't defeat the Iranians who had just changed government and were mired in internal conflicts and sanctions, despite all foreign support. In the end, this symbol of your pan-arabism fucked his own people more than anyone else and was fucked himself.
This is pretty much the only thing i might agree with you on, ba'athism has been only bringing arabs downhill
>Your regime is just a picture of money, behind which structural corruption, a class system, and poverty exist that you cannot properly cover up.
This is pretty ironic said by an iranian, just take a glance at your shithole (picrel)
>>393196
>And the moment you become useless to America, you will easily be discarded and perish with your arrogant stupidity.
Nigga fuck amerimutts we don't need them to have stable countries
>And by the way, Iran and Israel allies??! You're really an idiot!
>Iran, throughout almost its entire history, has never had a serious relationship with the jews. We freed them, and in return, they celebrate Purim (although the book of Esther is easily found to have historical inaccuracies and is unreliable, but the important thing is that your semitic cousins still celebrate Purim and believe in it). Even many Iranian opposition groups have problems with jews (I will talk about Iranian opposition in the future). Even that fool (Reza Pahlavi 2) tries to have relations with Israel simply because it is the enemy of his enemy. Even his father opposed Israel and only due to American pressure was forced to have relations with it, which was one of the reasons for the revolution against him. The word "Jew"(یهودی) in Iranian culture >has always had a negative connotation, and the regime had to eventually replace it with the word "Kalimi" (کلیمی) so people would have less negative >attitudes toward the few jews in Iran. In reality, Iran has never been allied with Israel, being allied with Israel is meaningless because they are people who always look down on others, and this is incompatible with the Iranian spirit that refuses to compromise with them.
Now you try to justify that by opposing Israel, the regime gave Israel an excuse for more infiltration and war. You arabs always want to find a reason, even if you have to pull it out of your ass! If Iran cooperated, you would say Iran helps Israel, so they are allies. If Iran stayed neutral, you would say Iran indirectly supports Israel willingly. If Iran opposes, you say Iran gives Israel an excuse, so they are allies. In every case, you say your ridiculous nonsense. But have you ever looked at yourselves??! You have officially become Israel's servants, trampled on your ideals, and even betrayed your own sects (and even abandoned your sunni ideology!). You pretend to oppose Israel, but you maintain relations with it and empower it, and when Iran attacks Israel, you shut up because you are cowards! In the end, Israel with its "fucking greater Israel" dream invades half of your arab lands and you do nothing.
You can flex about iran and persians being le based kike haters as much as you want but the reality is that you and jews are spiritually not only allies but the same people
Jews are the enemies of prophets, iranians (who are mostly shias) are enemies sahaba
Jews want to expand their dominance in the region by the name of greater israel, iranians want to expand their dominance in the region by the name of "islamic" theocracy, and there's alot more similarities but you get my point
>Of course, if you think Iranians do not know you arabs, you are seriously mistaken, fools!
>Almost all Iranians hate you arabs (they have no problem with the Arabs of Khuzestan, because they are honorable Iranians who stood against your pan-arabism in the Iran-Iraq war), and know that you are slaves to money and pleasure!
You know about us so much because you have hatred against us, not the opposite
>There is a story that says a jew, an Iranian, and an arab are given money. The Iranian uses the money to make weapons and armor and strengthen his city. The jew uses the money to expand his trade and make more money. And the arab uses the money to buy goods from the jew and lives in the Iranian city, pays taxes to him, and wastes all his time on pleasure and laziness.
No arabs wants to live in your iranian hellholes
>Yes, this is your essence! That's why when Iran's oil was priced in triple digits and it sold a lot, it used that money to strengthen other industries and advance its existence, like this nuclear thing (although I will later talk about some mistakes and my views on alternatives), but you arabs, instead of developing your real infrastructure, are only focused on appearances.
We develop both of those at the same time actually, something you people are unable to do
>In the end, your oil will run out and you will be overthrown.
Dream about it persoid, even before oil arabs still raped your entire civilization
>And the moment you become useless to America, you will easily be discarded and perish with your arrogant stupidity.
Nigga fuck amerimutts we don't need them to have stable countries
>And by the way, Iran and Israel allies??! You're really an idiot!
>Iran, throughout almost its entire history, has never had a serious relationship with the jews. We freed them, and in return, they celebrate Purim (although the book of Esther is easily found to have historical inaccuracies and is unreliable, but the important thing is that your semitic cousins still celebrate Purim and believe in it). Even many Iranian opposition groups have problems with jews (I will talk about Iranian opposition in the future). Even that fool (Reza Pahlavi 2) tries to have relations with Israel simply because it is the enemy of his enemy. Even his father opposed Israel and only due to American pressure was forced to have relations with it, which was one of the reasons for the revolution against him. The word "Jew"(یهودی) in Iranian culture >has always had a negative connotation, and the regime had to eventually replace it with the word "Kalimi" (کلیمی) so people would have less negative >attitudes toward the few jews in Iran. In reality, Iran has never been allied with Israel, being allied with Israel is meaningless because they are people who always look down on others, and this is incompatible with the Iranian spirit that refuses to compromise with them.
Now you try to justify that by opposing Israel, the regime gave Israel an excuse for more infiltration and war. You arabs always want to find a reason, even if you have to pull it out of your ass! If Iran cooperated, you would say Iran helps Israel, so they are allies. If Iran stayed neutral, you would say Iran indirectly supports Israel willingly. If Iran opposes, you say Iran gives Israel an excuse, so they are allies. In every case, you say your ridiculous nonsense. But have you ever looked at yourselves??! You have officially become Israel's servants, trampled on your ideals, and even betrayed your own sects (and even abandoned your sunni ideology!). You pretend to oppose Israel, but you maintain relations with it and empower it, and when Iran attacks Israel, you shut up because you are cowards! In the end, Israel with its "fucking greater Israel" dream invades half of your arab lands and you do nothing.
You can flex about iran and persians being le based kike haters as much as you want but the reality is that you and jews are spiritually not only allies but the same people
Jews are the enemies of prophets, iranians (who are mostly shias) are enemies sahaba
Jews want to expand their dominance in the region by the name of greater israel, iranians want to expand their dominance in the region by the name of "islamic" theocracy, and there's alot more similarities but you get my point
>Of course, if you think Iranians do not know you arabs, you are seriously mistaken, fools!
>Almost all Iranians hate you arabs (they have no problem with the Arabs of Khuzestan, because they are honorable Iranians who stood against your pan-arabism in the Iran-Iraq war), and know that you are slaves to money and pleasure!
You know about us so much because you have hatred against us, not the opposite
>There is a story that says a jew, an Iranian, and an arab are given money. The Iranian uses the money to make weapons and armor and strengthen his city. The jew uses the money to expand his trade and make more money. And the arab uses the money to buy goods from the jew and lives in the Iranian city, pays taxes to him, and wastes all his time on pleasure and laziness.
No arabs wants to live in your iranian hellholes
>Yes, this is your essence! That's why when Iran's oil was priced in triple digits and it sold a lot, it used that money to strengthen other industries and advance its existence, like this nuclear thing (although I will later talk about some mistakes and my views on alternatives), but you arabs, instead of developing your real infrastructure, are only focused on appearances.
We develop both of those at the same time actually, something you people are unable to do
>In the end, your oil will run out and you will be overthrown.
Dream about it persoid, even before oil arabs still raped your entire civilization
The previous 2 posts were supposed to be 1 post btw but i had to divide it because mlpol's system is a faggot and can't let that much words be put in 1 post, i really hope this would be fixed
>>393214
>The answer to this really depends on the personal knowledge of each someone, some people have studied arab history, culture, methodology and can rant about it for you for hours, and some people are just whiney peckeys who want to find negatives in arabs like (You)
This was supposed to be a response to "What exactly have the arabs known for decades?! You don't even know yourselves!" Btw i also forgot to clarify that
>The answer to this really depends on the personal knowledge of each someone, some people have studied arab history, culture, methodology and can rant about it for you for hours, and some people are just whiney peckeys who want to find negatives in arabs like (You)
This was supposed to be a response to "What exactly have the arabs known for decades?! You don't even know yourselves!" Btw i also forgot to clarify that
“They don’t know what the fuck they’re doing.”
LOL
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/24/israel-iran-war-live-updates-trump-declares-ceasefire-tehran-attack-us-base-qatar
LOL
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/24/israel-iran-war-live-updates-trump-declares-ceasefire-tehran-attack-us-base-qatar
>>393220
They've hated and warred with each other for literal centuries, millennia even. Each will never accept the fact of the other's existence.
They've hated and warred with each other for literal centuries, millennia even. Each will never accept the fact of the other's existence.
>https://www.npr.org/2025/06/23/nx-s1-5442396/iran-war-trump-power-congress-constitution
Declare war? No.
Make war? Absolutely.
>https://www.axios.com/2025/06/24/trump-impeachment-trump-iran-al-green-democrats
Suck it.
Declare war? No.
Make war? Absolutely.
>https://www.axios.com/2025/06/24/trump-impeachment-trump-iran-al-green-democrats
Suck it.
>>393223
Regime change is likely coming to Israel. Netanyahu faces serious legal jeopardy from Israel's Supreme Court, stemming from a long-running prosecution for corruption that was only paused when he became Prime Minister again in 2022. The ongoing hostilities have been in part a delaying action against that prosecution.
Regime change is likely coming to Israel. Netanyahu faces serious legal jeopardy from Israel's Supreme Court, stemming from a long-running prosecution for corruption that was only paused when he became Prime Minister again in 2022. The ongoing hostilities have been in part a delaying action against that prosecution.
>>393224
Netanyahu is certainly in hot water, and he's trying to cause wars to distract from his corruption charges, but canning him would not mean regime change for Israel. There is no moderate alternative to Netanyahu's regime.
Netanyahu is certainly in hot water, and he's trying to cause wars to distract from his corruption charges, but canning him would not mean regime change for Israel. There is no moderate alternative to Netanyahu's regime.
>>392216
>>393168
Some information about continental supply routes, if Strait of Hormuz will be blocked:
- Iran-China railroad (pic related) -- 10 400 kilometers, 15-20 days, 8.5 million tons per year (100 kg per capita)
- Five Nation Railway corridor (Iran-Afghanistan-China) -- 8000 km, 20-30 days, 6 Mt/year (70 kg per capita)
- Quetta Line + Khunjerab Line (Iran-Pakistan-China) -- ~8000 km, 20-30 days, ??? Mt/year (?? kg per capita)
- North–South Transport Corridor (Iran-Russia) -- 7000 km, 15-24 days, 14-30 Mt/year (150-300 kg per capita)
- Trans-Siberian railroad (North-South --> China) -- 10 000 kilometers, 15-20 days, 160 Mt/year
Overall current state of continental routes worse than I expected. Borderline level, if Iran need not only military supplies, but also some food and industrial goods, tools and parts to repair bombed facilities. Moreover we have problems in Fergana volley and another special military operation possible right next to Iran-China railroad and Turkmenistan-China gas pipeline (we have escalation in Kazakhstan in early 2022, but manage to fix situation quickly and buy some time).
Iranian has about 180 Mt/year oil production and 75 Mt/year oil export (90% to China). Continental routes unsuitable for oil export, moreover oil industry may be bombed with blockade level of escalation. Current China's oil import/consumption is 560/800 million tons, 50% from Persian Gulf. Current China's natural gas import/consumption 180/400 million cubit meters (25-30% from Persian Gulf, 25% from Turkmenistan). China has about 50-100 Mt oil reserve (70-150 days if Strait of Hormuz will be blocked).
Russia has about 520 Mt/year oil production and 240 Mt/year oil export (75% to China). Russia probably can raise production to 10-20%, up to 600 Mt/year during 1-2 years, but overall our oil industry expensive and stagnated. So, only +80 Mt/year possible, which can compensate only 30% of Persian Gulf export. Also China's refineries are build for Persian Gulf oil, they can't refine Russian oil without expensive investments and years to rebuild.
I must say again, the major USA objective is to close Strait of Hormuz by Iranian hands to cripple China's industry. Or just escalate war and bomb all Persian Gulf oil exporters directly. USA don't have any interest in Persian Gulf anymore (they must maintain own oil industry which profitable only with high prices and have plans to take Venezuela as part of their latinos faction unification initiative). Both Saudi Arabia and Iran are just enemy supply line and threat to Israel.
>>393168
Some information about continental supply routes, if Strait of Hormuz will be blocked:
- Iran-China railroad (pic related) -- 10 400 kilometers, 15-20 days, 8.5 million tons per year (100 kg per capita)
- Five Nation Railway corridor (Iran-Afghanistan-China) -- 8000 km, 20-30 days, 6 Mt/year (70 kg per capita)
- Quetta Line + Khunjerab Line (Iran-Pakistan-China) -- ~8000 km, 20-30 days, ??? Mt/year (?? kg per capita)
- North–South Transport Corridor (Iran-Russia) -- 7000 km, 15-24 days, 14-30 Mt/year (150-300 kg per capita)
- Trans-Siberian railroad (North-South --> China) -- 10 000 kilometers, 15-20 days, 160 Mt/year
Overall current state of continental routes worse than I expected. Borderline level, if Iran need not only military supplies, but also some food and industrial goods, tools and parts to repair bombed facilities. Moreover we have problems in Fergana volley and another special military operation possible right next to Iran-China railroad and Turkmenistan-China gas pipeline (we have escalation in Kazakhstan in early 2022, but manage to fix situation quickly and buy some time).
Iranian has about 180 Mt/year oil production and 75 Mt/year oil export (90% to China). Continental routes unsuitable for oil export, moreover oil industry may be bombed with blockade level of escalation. Current China's oil import/consumption is 560/800 million tons, 50% from Persian Gulf. Current China's natural gas import/consumption 180/400 million cubit meters (25-30% from Persian Gulf, 25% from Turkmenistan). China has about 50-100 Mt oil reserve (70-150 days if Strait of Hormuz will be blocked).
Russia has about 520 Mt/year oil production and 240 Mt/year oil export (75% to China). Russia probably can raise production to 10-20%, up to 600 Mt/year during 1-2 years, but overall our oil industry expensive and stagnated. So, only +80 Mt/year possible, which can compensate only 30% of Persian Gulf export. Also China's refineries are build for Persian Gulf oil, they can't refine Russian oil without expensive investments and years to rebuild.
I must say again, the major USA objective is to close Strait of Hormuz by Iranian hands to cripple China's industry. Or just escalate war and bomb all Persian Gulf oil exporters directly. USA don't have any interest in Persian Gulf anymore (they must maintain own oil industry which profitable only with high prices and have plans to take Venezuela as part of their latinos faction unification initiative). Both Saudi Arabia and Iran are just enemy supply line and threat to Israel.
>>393223
>trips off by one but a 32-23 is still interesting
Yeah, a regime change in Israel might be the lasting solution.
>trips off by one but a 32-23 is still interesting
Yeah, a regime change in Israel might be the lasting solution.
Jews are getting desperate and are calling for a false flag terrorist attack to drag America into a war with Iran.
damn I missed you guys
internet was restricted here for 12 days and now mlpol is filtered so now i have to use vpn for connecting here
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anyway lots of shit happened , have to tell all of my western friends in discord that i am alive
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fuck israel and fuck irgc
internet was restricted here for 12 days and now mlpol is filtered so now i have to use vpn for connecting here
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anyway lots of shit happened , have to tell all of my western friends in discord that i am alive
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fuck israel and fuck irgc
i was reading the other irani-fag replies.
do not trust this faggot
they are a Irgc propaganda shil and they're here to just spread misinformation and manipulate brains.
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in 12 days i could not connect here (or anywhere) just like most people in my country
but this asshole somehow was able to do so
and he is sucking so much mullah dick rn
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either he has a special net form or he is not even in iran (you can easily download iranian vpn for accessing farsi sites)
do not trust this faggot
they are a Irgc propaganda shil and they're here to just spread misinformation and manipulate brains.
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in 12 days i could not connect here (or anywhere) just like most people in my country
but this asshole somehow was able to do so
and he is sucking so much mullah dick rn
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either he has a special net form or he is not even in iran (you can easily download iranian vpn for accessing farsi sites)
>>393248
>fuck israel and fuck irgc
I suspect you must be one of the Russians pointing fingers at. They call you the pro-western 5th column inside Iran.
At your heart, you love the west and despise Iranian culture. This pathological psychology is seen all around the west in the immigrant's mindset. They want access to White People while claiming to love their homeland. Indoors they berate White People, but cry foul if they are removed from living among Whites.
My point... check your loyalties.
>fuck israel and fuck irgc
I suspect you must be one of the Russians pointing fingers at. They call you the pro-western 5th column inside Iran.
At your heart, you love the west and despise Iranian culture. This pathological psychology is seen all around the west in the immigrant's mindset. They want access to White People while claiming to love their homeland. Indoors they berate White People, but cry foul if they are removed from living among Whites.
My point... check your loyalties.
anyway tl;dr
there is a cease fire
iran lost many military bases and nuclear sites
1k people are dead and near 13k people are injured
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tbh civilian casualty is pretty low compared to the amount fuckery missiles that IDF shot
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IRGC did not do shit to israel , idc what anyone says.
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irani people are scared and they are full of hatred toward their government , seem like they were happy that israel is punishing iran , can't blame them
personally i don't know how to feel about the war
i can say that two cruel government fought and innocent people died pretty much,
internet is barely coming back
also side note
yesterday was the most horrible day here , so many missile so many sounds so many explosions so many earth quakes (due to explossions)
there is a cease fire
iran lost many military bases and nuclear sites
1k people are dead and near 13k people are injured
--
tbh civilian casualty is pretty low compared to the amount fuckery missiles that IDF shot
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IRGC did not do shit to israel , idc what anyone says.
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irani people are scared and they are full of hatred toward their government , seem like they were happy that israel is punishing iran , can't blame them
personally i don't know how to feel about the war
i can say that two cruel government fought and innocent people died pretty much,
internet is barely coming back
also side note
yesterday was the most horrible day here , so many missile so many sounds so many explosions so many earth quakes (due to explossions)
>>393251
hug
>>393252
neither , i am just a hippy dude who wants to live his life and that is it , which i can't
you don't know what being iranian means
you don't how painful it is that you have to kill every single dreams that you have and give up on the most simplistic rights cause everyone are cruel toward you
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your government is shit , your enemies are shit , your people are depressed and angry, economy is garbage , you don't even have the most casual rights here
hug
>>393252
neither , i am just a hippy dude who wants to live his life and that is it , which i can't
you don't know what being iranian means
you don't how painful it is that you have to kill every single dreams that you have and give up on the most simplistic rights cause everyone are cruel toward you
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your government is shit , your enemies are shit , your people are depressed and angry, economy is garbage , you don't even have the most casual rights here
>>393254
i am just tired of this planet and it's living beings
and i cannot do anything about it
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maybe i should scratch on the future government in iran or just have to live like a random npc like a normal person would do
i am just tired of this planet and it's living beings
and i cannot do anything about it
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maybe i should scratch on the future government in iran or just have to live like a random npc like a normal person would do
How horrible! And how tiresome. Every single fucking day I see this kind of jewish bots and double-piggers on 2ch, on livejournal, on telegram, every-fucking-where. Can you put another disc inside? Can you imitate a human being at least? I know, I ask too much from a piece of promt-enginering and mantis-minded-black-box. If you are not human, be aware, we will kill your masters to make internet free again. But I hope, I want to believe that it is with 0.1% chance may be a human. Please, forgive me, If I was mistaken. I regret when war hurt those who do not want to be part of it.
>>393261
The internet is a jewish colony you stupid chud, if you hate it here so much then stop using electronic communication devices and go live with some primitive nigger tribes in africa or something
The internet is a jewish colony you stupid chud, if you hate it here so much then stop using electronic communication devices and go live with some primitive nigger tribes in africa or something
And the drumbeat started almost immediately.
“Hit it again, goy.”
“Hit it again, goy.”
>>393262
>internet is a jewish colony
Not at all, you are a tiny minority and can't colonize shit, only monitor, shut down the conversation flipping the servers' switches or sending the zogbots. Beyond that, you are fighting a lost battle. /pol/ is already mainstream and your survival as a species is in doubt.
>internet is a jewish colony
Not at all, you are a tiny minority and can't colonize shit, only monitor, shut down the conversation flipping the servers' switches or sending the zogbots. Beyond that, you are fighting a lost battle. /pol/ is already mainstream and your survival as a species is in doubt.
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>>393262
At least we hunt down zogdogs sometimes, when you just make love with passionate fillies, devour arabic sweets and watch on tv how your brothers struggles against kikes onslaught!
At least we hunt down zogdogs sometimes, when you just make love with passionate fillies, devour arabic sweets and watch on tv how your brothers struggles against kikes onslaught!
Trump makes announcement after historic B-2 strike mission on Iran.
>>393214
>The answer to this really depends on the personal knowledge of each someone, some people have studied arab history, culture...
Idiot! Who even asked for a lecture on arab culture for you to start copy-pasting the entire arab encyclopedia?!
Let me explain something to you, maybe then you'll actually understand what this is about:
I'm a Lur myself, and I spent the first 13 years of my life in Khuzestan, living among Lurs and Arabs. I've seen Arab culture firsthand, the festivals, the traditions, the community. I know enough about it, and unlike you, I actually respect the Arabs of Khuzestan.
They have real honor, courage, and a warrior spirit, their culture means something.
My whole point is: why don't you arabs know your own identity anymore?
Why have you abandoned your deeper culture in other countries and started acting like losers?
I don't know, maybe this kind of honor and dignity only still exists in Khuzestani Arabs…
because you sure as hell lack it.
So don't go thinking you're talking to someone ignorant.
I know plenty about you, and that's exactly why I'm shocked at how far you've fallen and how spineless you've become.
And btw, I didn't attack you for no reason.
You were the one who made a dumbass comment about Iranians first, so I simply had to show you just how stupid you really are.
Maybe now you'll learn not to run your mouth with every worthless take that pops into your head.
>Because pan-arabism is a dead retarded ideology
Well, finally! Maybe the arabs are starting to wise up a little and realize that some dreams are just too much of a fantasy for them.
>arab leaders have learned to not fuck with israel a long time ago
Well shit, guess the arabs are still brain-dead.
No surprise though, they seem perfectly fine getting fucked by Israel while just sitting there like pathetic little cowards, doing absolutely nothing.
>We literally do though? We send them humanitarian aid all the time
That's an incredibly gay take.
You arabs are no different from the UN: completely useless and passive.
It's honestly ridiculous that this is the kind of response you come back to me with.
>Iran sees palestine as nothing but a tool that serves their interests...
Yeah, the first part of your post is just you regurgitating my own damn words back at me. Nice job...
But moving on:
You arabs seriously must have some chronic memory loss.
Wasn't it Iran that sent forces when ISIS was busy raping half of your arab lands? Or did that little fact magically slip your mind too?
Let me remind you:
Groups like Hezbollah, the Houthis, and even a bunch of your so-called "freedom fighters" in Palestine were trained, armed, and backed by Iran.
Because let's be real, without Iran holding your hand, you guys can't organize shit on your own.
And this idea that Iran is "afraid" of direct war with Israel?
That's some next-level delusion.
Iran would jump at the chance for a ground war, it would steamroll Israel with superior numbers, real soldiers, and actual battlefield grit.
It's Israel that's too much of a coward to face Iran directly, so they go cry to the U.S for help, and even that's just turning into a bigger joke.
>Well yeah i just explained that
Well done smart ass...!
>Lol no, literally ask any palestinian about iran and 99%...
Iran could have treated them like animals very easily, but instead showed them respect. Boomers really feel some kind of sympathy for them.
And yeah, I know Iran never really saw you as true allies in the end, because they knew the truth about you, that if you ever got power and stayed in it for a while, you'd drown in your own pride (like what happened to Assad).
And yes, Hamas has always had issues with Iran and never really acted like a genuine ally.
But I'm not sure about that 99%.
All those videos you see on arab media, are they really made by that 1 percent?
Because honestly, in most of them, I saw people supporting Iranians.
Anyway, you can deny it if you want. I really don't care.
>Betrayals happened easily in all parts and cultures of the world
Yeah, but not nearly as much as you do! Even in this war(Iran-Israel) the regime had plenty of opposition groups, but about more 70% of them, when the fighting started, stood by their fellow countrymen instead of betraying them.
And throughout history, I have never seen a people truly face genocide while other same countries just turn a blind eye.
That kind of thing seems to be something only you arabs are capable of.
>Nope
A backward arab doesn't get that this is a rhetorical question and doesn't need to answer such a stupid question.
>What sheikhs?
That minority who take almost all the money from your country.(maybe you're one of their son)
>What are you exactly referring by "your own ideals" here? Do you basically other arabs in general, or arabs who share the same political positions and ideologies?
I mean the ideals of pan-arabism, sunni ideology, arab spirit and independence, and basically everything that defines a true arab.
>The answer to this really depends on the personal knowledge of each someone, some people have studied arab history, culture...
Idiot! Who even asked for a lecture on arab culture for you to start copy-pasting the entire arab encyclopedia?!
Let me explain something to you, maybe then you'll actually understand what this is about:
I'm a Lur myself, and I spent the first 13 years of my life in Khuzestan, living among Lurs and Arabs. I've seen Arab culture firsthand, the festivals, the traditions, the community. I know enough about it, and unlike you, I actually respect the Arabs of Khuzestan.
They have real honor, courage, and a warrior spirit, their culture means something.
My whole point is: why don't you arabs know your own identity anymore?
Why have you abandoned your deeper culture in other countries and started acting like losers?
I don't know, maybe this kind of honor and dignity only still exists in Khuzestani Arabs…
because you sure as hell lack it.
So don't go thinking you're talking to someone ignorant.
I know plenty about you, and that's exactly why I'm shocked at how far you've fallen and how spineless you've become.
And btw, I didn't attack you for no reason.
You were the one who made a dumbass comment about Iranians first, so I simply had to show you just how stupid you really are.
Maybe now you'll learn not to run your mouth with every worthless take that pops into your head.
>Because pan-arabism is a dead retarded ideology
Well, finally! Maybe the arabs are starting to wise up a little and realize that some dreams are just too much of a fantasy for them.
>arab leaders have learned to not fuck with israel a long time ago
Well shit, guess the arabs are still brain-dead.
No surprise though, they seem perfectly fine getting fucked by Israel while just sitting there like pathetic little cowards, doing absolutely nothing.
>We literally do though? We send them humanitarian aid all the time
That's an incredibly gay take.
You arabs are no different from the UN: completely useless and passive.
It's honestly ridiculous that this is the kind of response you come back to me with.
>Iran sees palestine as nothing but a tool that serves their interests...
Yeah, the first part of your post is just you regurgitating my own damn words back at me. Nice job...
But moving on:
You arabs seriously must have some chronic memory loss.
Wasn't it Iran that sent forces when ISIS was busy raping half of your arab lands? Or did that little fact magically slip your mind too?
Let me remind you:
Groups like Hezbollah, the Houthis, and even a bunch of your so-called "freedom fighters" in Palestine were trained, armed, and backed by Iran.
Because let's be real, without Iran holding your hand, you guys can't organize shit on your own.
And this idea that Iran is "afraid" of direct war with Israel?
That's some next-level delusion.
Iran would jump at the chance for a ground war, it would steamroll Israel with superior numbers, real soldiers, and actual battlefield grit.
It's Israel that's too much of a coward to face Iran directly, so they go cry to the U.S for help, and even that's just turning into a bigger joke.
>Well yeah i just explained that
Well done smart ass...!
>Lol no, literally ask any palestinian about iran and 99%...
Iran could have treated them like animals very easily, but instead showed them respect. Boomers really feel some kind of sympathy for them.
And yeah, I know Iran never really saw you as true allies in the end, because they knew the truth about you, that if you ever got power and stayed in it for a while, you'd drown in your own pride (like what happened to Assad).
And yes, Hamas has always had issues with Iran and never really acted like a genuine ally.
But I'm not sure about that 99%.
All those videos you see on arab media, are they really made by that 1 percent?
Because honestly, in most of them, I saw people supporting Iranians.
Anyway, you can deny it if you want. I really don't care.
>Betrayals happened easily in all parts and cultures of the world
Yeah, but not nearly as much as you do! Even in this war(Iran-Israel) the regime had plenty of opposition groups, but about more 70% of them, when the fighting started, stood by their fellow countrymen instead of betraying them.
And throughout history, I have never seen a people truly face genocide while other same countries just turn a blind eye.
That kind of thing seems to be something only you arabs are capable of.
>Nope
A backward arab doesn't get that this is a rhetorical question and doesn't need to answer such a stupid question.
>What sheikhs?
That minority who take almost all the money from your country.(maybe you're one of their son)
>What are you exactly referring by "your own ideals" here? Do you basically other arabs in general, or arabs who share the same political positions and ideologies?
I mean the ideals of pan-arabism, sunni ideology, arab spirit and independence, and basically everything that defines a true arab.
>>393214
>And now you think you're really in a good position?
Yes! I'm sure! Although I oppose the regime for some internal policies, I still like its overall goal.
Besides, you yourself exaggerated in your own text later by saying Iran has imperial ambitions, so please don't ask about something you already know.
What you're saying smells like jealousy.
>This argument doesn't matter because you're using a non realistic example, iran doesn't have the balls to do that
Iran's got the balls, and damn good ones!
Iran can just threaten to do something and totally mess with your oil prices, which is the backbone of your economy!
It easily sends warnings to your arab countries, and you end up shutting down your biggest air routes, clearing the skies for Iran.
Iran had the guts to be the only country to directly attack the U.S after World War II, twice!
And if you think all that was just a staged show, then Iran can make the U.S dance to its tune.
Iran had the balls to strike even after Trump announced otherwise. Iran has the balls to do whatever it wants(nuclear program, missiles program and so on...).
And if the day comes, Iran will also have the balls to actually close the strait of Hormuz.
So please, shut up about this!
And idiot! You didn't even get the main point!
I used that scenario to show how easily your country can fall apart, and you're all pure arabs with no foreign-backed opposition.
Let's change the scenario if you dare: suppose only half of the oil sanctions on Iran are applied to your country for one year, after that year, you would probably face dozens of autonomous regions.
Meanwhile, Iran has been under harsh sanctions for decades, with separatist groups supported by foreigners and a diverse ethnic makeup, yet it hasn't broken apart!
You? No way! No other country could handle what Iran has and not break apart!
>No arab cares about what that orange retard calls stuff by
LoL! Your stupid politicians, just to suck up to him, would bend over and fuck him if they had to.
>This reeks of envy, you're just seething because some arabs live between luxurious societies while you live in the slums of tehran lmfao
Idiot, more Iranians than that one percent rich arab elite live in luxury societies.
Btw, I'm a poly-eng student right now, living in Navab near Enghelab Square in Tehran, and since I only have one exam left, which got postponed because of the war, I have plenty of time to write to you at this hour.
Also, I don't get why you arabs always want to compete and show off?
Why do you always flaunt things you didn't even work for?
Why are you so jealous and obsessed with money and luxury?
You even show off your dick like you're the only ones who have one! (yeah, you did that dumb shit in this very thread >>393047)!
Believe me, showing off your dick and luxury doesn't help you at all.
Stop this gay-ass behavior already...
>Unfortunately if i'm gonna be completely honest it was never alive
Something like the early islamic caliphates or even Assad's current regime had some degree of arab independence, but it's really sad that even you know this and do nothing about it.
>How else do you want them to react to missles flying over them?
Running around in the open is really a stupid move. The chance of getting injured even in these pointless escapes to nowhere is pretty high.
Btw, this was one of the videos I saw. There are plenty more that show you really have no clue about war.
You're complete cowards and don't even consider the fact that Iran could have attacked the american bases inside your territory.
But you run around in your cities like you're right in the middle of those bases!
I mean, do these idiots really think Iran is going to target a shopping mall or something, so they just randomly hit places like that???
You really act like your cousins, maybe even worse.
I think you should go watch videos of Iranian people during the missile war and compare them to your own.
After all, there's a difference between
Aryans and Semites.
>This is pretty much the only thing i might agree with you on, ba'athism has been only bringing arabs downhill
I'm glad to see you have some logic, but have you considered that the only arab country that directly fought Iran (and that was when Iran was at its weakest) was Iraq?
No other arab country has had direct conflict with Iran since then.
If Saudi arabia or any other arab country acted like Saddam, you'd see that arabs wouldn't stand a chance against Iran, especially now that Iran has grown stronger, as you witnessed in the recent war.
Even though Iran entered your arab airspace, you couldn't do much about it.
>This is pretty ironic said by an iranian, just take a glance at your shithole (picrel)
I wish you had at least posted pictures of some of the poor neighborhoods in southern Tehran. As they say: "از این همه پیامبر، جرجیس را انتخاب کردید!" LoL!
The photo you sent is actually a part of the native and local areas of Mashhad (right near the shrine), which have all been endowed in the past. Even though the land there is very expensive, the local owners prefer to keep its poor-looking, non-materialistic appearance, something that's probably beyond the comprehension of you luxury-obsessed arabs.
And again, you're doing the whole "one-upmanship" thing?
I can also show photos of your poor neighborhoods (which happen to be quite numerous)!
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2019/12/23/vision-2030-and-poverty-in-saudi-arabia
And don't think slums or poor areas are anything unusual in the world.
Why are you so obsessed with showing off luxury? Is it some kind of mental illness?
>Nigga fuck amerimutts we don't need them to have stable countries
Idiot! How the hell would something like Aramco(or better yet, "Americamco") survive without the U.S?
Or let's forget that sanction scenario I mentioned earlier, if, hypothetically, the Americans just left your country and cut ties but didn't sanction you, could you honestly say you'd stay stable??!
Bilakh!
>And now you think you're really in a good position?
Yes! I'm sure! Although I oppose the regime for some internal policies, I still like its overall goal.
Besides, you yourself exaggerated in your own text later by saying Iran has imperial ambitions, so please don't ask about something you already know.
What you're saying smells like jealousy.
>This argument doesn't matter because you're using a non realistic example, iran doesn't have the balls to do that
Iran's got the balls, and damn good ones!
Iran can just threaten to do something and totally mess with your oil prices, which is the backbone of your economy!
It easily sends warnings to your arab countries, and you end up shutting down your biggest air routes, clearing the skies for Iran.
Iran had the guts to be the only country to directly attack the U.S after World War II, twice!
And if you think all that was just a staged show, then Iran can make the U.S dance to its tune.
Iran had the balls to strike even after Trump announced otherwise. Iran has the balls to do whatever it wants(nuclear program, missiles program and so on...).
And if the day comes, Iran will also have the balls to actually close the strait of Hormuz.
So please, shut up about this!
And idiot! You didn't even get the main point!
I used that scenario to show how easily your country can fall apart, and you're all pure arabs with no foreign-backed opposition.
Let's change the scenario if you dare: suppose only half of the oil sanctions on Iran are applied to your country for one year, after that year, you would probably face dozens of autonomous regions.
Meanwhile, Iran has been under harsh sanctions for decades, with separatist groups supported by foreigners and a diverse ethnic makeup, yet it hasn't broken apart!
You? No way! No other country could handle what Iran has and not break apart!
>No arab cares about what that orange retard calls stuff by
LoL! Your stupid politicians, just to suck up to him, would bend over and fuck him if they had to.
>This reeks of envy, you're just seething because some arabs live between luxurious societies while you live in the slums of tehran lmfao
Idiot, more Iranians than that one percent rich arab elite live in luxury societies.
Btw, I'm a poly-eng student right now, living in Navab near Enghelab Square in Tehran, and since I only have one exam left, which got postponed because of the war, I have plenty of time to write to you at this hour.
Also, I don't get why you arabs always want to compete and show off?
Why do you always flaunt things you didn't even work for?
Why are you so jealous and obsessed with money and luxury?
You even show off your dick like you're the only ones who have one! (yeah, you did that dumb shit in this very thread >>393047)!
Believe me, showing off your dick and luxury doesn't help you at all.
Stop this gay-ass behavior already...
>Unfortunately if i'm gonna be completely honest it was never alive
Something like the early islamic caliphates or even Assad's current regime had some degree of arab independence, but it's really sad that even you know this and do nothing about it.
>How else do you want them to react to missles flying over them?
Running around in the open is really a stupid move. The chance of getting injured even in these pointless escapes to nowhere is pretty high.
Btw, this was one of the videos I saw. There are plenty more that show you really have no clue about war.
You're complete cowards and don't even consider the fact that Iran could have attacked the american bases inside your territory.
But you run around in your cities like you're right in the middle of those bases!
I mean, do these idiots really think Iran is going to target a shopping mall or something, so they just randomly hit places like that???
You really act like your cousins, maybe even worse.
I think you should go watch videos of Iranian people during the missile war and compare them to your own.
After all, there's a difference between
Aryans and Semites.
>This is pretty much the only thing i might agree with you on, ba'athism has been only bringing arabs downhill
I'm glad to see you have some logic, but have you considered that the only arab country that directly fought Iran (and that was when Iran was at its weakest) was Iraq?
No other arab country has had direct conflict with Iran since then.
If Saudi arabia or any other arab country acted like Saddam, you'd see that arabs wouldn't stand a chance against Iran, especially now that Iran has grown stronger, as you witnessed in the recent war.
Even though Iran entered your arab airspace, you couldn't do much about it.
>This is pretty ironic said by an iranian, just take a glance at your shithole (picrel)
I wish you had at least posted pictures of some of the poor neighborhoods in southern Tehran. As they say: "از این همه پیامبر، جرجیس را انتخاب کردید!" LoL!
The photo you sent is actually a part of the native and local areas of Mashhad (right near the shrine), which have all been endowed in the past. Even though the land there is very expensive, the local owners prefer to keep its poor-looking, non-materialistic appearance, something that's probably beyond the comprehension of you luxury-obsessed arabs.
And again, you're doing the whole "one-upmanship" thing?
I can also show photos of your poor neighborhoods (which happen to be quite numerous)!
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2019/12/23/vision-2030-and-poverty-in-saudi-arabia
And don't think slums or poor areas are anything unusual in the world.
Why are you so obsessed with showing off luxury? Is it some kind of mental illness?
>Nigga fuck amerimutts we don't need them to have stable countries
Idiot! How the hell would something like Aramco(or better yet, "Americamco") survive without the U.S?
Or let's forget that sanction scenario I mentioned earlier, if, hypothetically, the Americans just left your country and cut ties but didn't sanction you, could you honestly say you'd stay stable??!
Bilakh!
>>393214
>You can flex about iran and persians being le based kike haters as much as you want but the reality is that you and jews are spiritually not only allies but the same people
>He has a genetic connection with the jews and, like them, is semitic.
>He's money-hungry like the jews.
>He's arrogant like the jews.
>He uses his religion as a tool and changed it, just like the jews.
<But the dumb arab thinks Aryan Iranians are like the jews.
Bro, with your nonsense, you just shook Cyrus' grave on vibrate mode!
>Jews are the enemies of prophets, iranians (who are mostly shias) are enemies sahaba. Jews want to expand their dominance in the region by the name of greater israel...
I think I get what's really bothering you. You're just a jealous sunni arab.
First of all, please don't start that stupid shia-sunni debate here(others can't understand it here). I'm neither an expert nor do I have the patience to argue with a brain-dead arab like you about it. Just know this: I have watched plenty of debates between shias and sunnis, and in every one of them, sunni arguments never convinced me as much as the shia ones. Also, I read your Sahih al-bukhari, a book full of drama, contradictions, and stories so unrealistic it turns into a comedy! Honestly, if you sold it as a comedy book, it would probably sell better.
And about "Greater Israel" and all that, why does that remind me of someone else... Ah! You arabs! You who attacked other nations with Trojan-horse islam and still keep doing it, you behave exactly like the jews, only they're a bit smarter at it than you are.
And about Iran, yes! The Persian empire and greater Iran are nothing bad. Unlike pan-arabism and greater Israel fantasies, greater Iran really existed and isn't just some sweet dream. Iran was great in history, and greater Iran is forming right now, not just under this regime but by the Iranians themselves. Even if the regime changes, the army and irgc won't just vanish overnight. (Of course, this war delayed the regime's fall by a few years.)
That's exactly what you sunni arabs are worried about, because to build your own Islamic empire, you need Iran! Without Iran, you're stuck where you are. I have seen how hard you arabs try to tie this to Iranians being shia and say that if Iranians accepted sunni thought and joined the "Ummah", they would advance. Meanwhile, they're advancing anyway (you saw how different Iran is now compared to the Iran-Iraq war era). But you want to pull Iranians to your side so you can advance. Dream on!
Also, sunni worldview and their belief in the Messiah is more like the jews, while shias think more like christians. Islam came after christianity, so logically sunni beliefs should be closer to christianity than judaism, but clearly, you sunnis behave more like jews ideologically and worldview-wise, unlike the shias. Could it mean sunni islam has gone astray and degenerated by jews? Just a theory...
And finally, you idiot! Why do you think just because Iranians and jews both seek glory, they are the same? So what, because greece and Persia existed, Iranians are like Greeks or Romans? Keep your ridiculous logic to yourself. Every nation should care about its own greatness. If your semitic cousins show more pride in this regard, then at least on this front, they're better than you arabs in my eyes. If you arabs don't care about your own glory, you have no right to blame others for caring about theirs. You can see the meme! (I don't agree with part of this meme. Israel is way too cowardly to be a chad. If anything, it makes more sense to put the U.S in Israel's place, but the rest of the meme checks out.)
>You know about us so much because you have hatred against us, not the opposite
You sound a lot like a kike.
Well, when people hate you, and even after they get to know you, they still hate you (most hatred usually comes from ignorance), that kind of shows the problem is actually you.
Look in the mirror and ask yourself: why?
(Note: You can use my text as a reference.)
>No arabs wants to live in your iranian hellholes
Yeah, yeah! Surely you're absolutely fucking right!
The so-called "Golden Age of Islam" wasn't basically one of those hellholes built by Iranians, and arabs? Yeah, they definitely don't want to stick themselves to that story or steal the credit! (Bilakh!)
And when your ancestors invaded Iran, they sure didn't see the Persian paradises (the famous Persian gardens, aka Iranian hellholes) and say, "Hey, these gardens must be the paradise promised in the Quran!" (And of course, those hellholes weren't beautiful at all, not to the extent that their Persian name "Paradis" ended up becoming the very word for paradises in so many languages!)
Almost all your arab regimes in past hadn't Iranian ministers and politicians controlling you, and you weren't actually living in the hellholes the Iranians made for you!
Let me give you a personal example for now:
A family friend of mine in Mashhad (yes, that very city you sent a picture of) had a kidney surgery and was hospitalized at Razavi hospital. When we went to visit, we were surprised to see a lot of arabs in the waiting rooms and treatment wards! After talking to them, it turned out many arabs travel to Iran for cheaper and better healthcare services. Even more interesting, many services in that hospital were free or cheap for Iranians and overall it was an affordable hospital (despite being private).
Well, sometimes paradise is just a place where they don't want to empty your pockets and still provide good quality service. Of course, the hellholes we build turn out to be paradise for you! (don't ask)
And btw, this is my own personal experience, there are many other better examples I could give, but I have seen this myself.
So next time you want to spout that nonsense, remember that basically a lot of the things you have today come from those Iranian hellholes in the first place!
>You can flex about iran and persians being le based kike haters as much as you want but the reality is that you and jews are spiritually not only allies but the same people
>He has a genetic connection with the jews and, like them, is semitic.
>He's money-hungry like the jews.
>He's arrogant like the jews.
>He uses his religion as a tool and changed it, just like the jews.
<But the dumb arab thinks Aryan Iranians are like the jews.
Bro, with your nonsense, you just shook Cyrus' grave on vibrate mode!
>Jews are the enemies of prophets, iranians (who are mostly shias) are enemies sahaba. Jews want to expand their dominance in the region by the name of greater israel...
I think I get what's really bothering you. You're just a jealous sunni arab.
First of all, please don't start that stupid shia-sunni debate here(others can't understand it here). I'm neither an expert nor do I have the patience to argue with a brain-dead arab like you about it. Just know this: I have watched plenty of debates between shias and sunnis, and in every one of them, sunni arguments never convinced me as much as the shia ones. Also, I read your Sahih al-bukhari, a book full of drama, contradictions, and stories so unrealistic it turns into a comedy! Honestly, if you sold it as a comedy book, it would probably sell better.
And about "Greater Israel" and all that, why does that remind me of someone else... Ah! You arabs! You who attacked other nations with Trojan-horse islam and still keep doing it, you behave exactly like the jews, only they're a bit smarter at it than you are.
And about Iran, yes! The Persian empire and greater Iran are nothing bad. Unlike pan-arabism and greater Israel fantasies, greater Iran really existed and isn't just some sweet dream. Iran was great in history, and greater Iran is forming right now, not just under this regime but by the Iranians themselves. Even if the regime changes, the army and irgc won't just vanish overnight. (Of course, this war delayed the regime's fall by a few years.)
That's exactly what you sunni arabs are worried about, because to build your own Islamic empire, you need Iran! Without Iran, you're stuck where you are. I have seen how hard you arabs try to tie this to Iranians being shia and say that if Iranians accepted sunni thought and joined the "Ummah", they would advance. Meanwhile, they're advancing anyway (you saw how different Iran is now compared to the Iran-Iraq war era). But you want to pull Iranians to your side so you can advance. Dream on!
Also, sunni worldview and their belief in the Messiah is more like the jews, while shias think more like christians. Islam came after christianity, so logically sunni beliefs should be closer to christianity than judaism, but clearly, you sunnis behave more like jews ideologically and worldview-wise, unlike the shias. Could it mean sunni islam has gone astray and degenerated by jews? Just a theory...
And finally, you idiot! Why do you think just because Iranians and jews both seek glory, they are the same? So what, because greece and Persia existed, Iranians are like Greeks or Romans? Keep your ridiculous logic to yourself. Every nation should care about its own greatness. If your semitic cousins show more pride in this regard, then at least on this front, they're better than you arabs in my eyes. If you arabs don't care about your own glory, you have no right to blame others for caring about theirs. You can see the meme! (I don't agree with part of this meme. Israel is way too cowardly to be a chad. If anything, it makes more sense to put the U.S in Israel's place, but the rest of the meme checks out.)
>You know about us so much because you have hatred against us, not the opposite
You sound a lot like a kike.
Well, when people hate you, and even after they get to know you, they still hate you (most hatred usually comes from ignorance), that kind of shows the problem is actually you.
Look in the mirror and ask yourself: why?
(Note: You can use my text as a reference.)
>No arabs wants to live in your iranian hellholes
Yeah, yeah! Surely you're absolutely fucking right!
The so-called "Golden Age of Islam" wasn't basically one of those hellholes built by Iranians, and arabs? Yeah, they definitely don't want to stick themselves to that story or steal the credit! (Bilakh!)
And when your ancestors invaded Iran, they sure didn't see the Persian paradises (the famous Persian gardens, aka Iranian hellholes) and say, "Hey, these gardens must be the paradise promised in the Quran!" (And of course, those hellholes weren't beautiful at all, not to the extent that their Persian name "Paradis" ended up becoming the very word for paradises in so many languages!)
Almost all your arab regimes in past hadn't Iranian ministers and politicians controlling you, and you weren't actually living in the hellholes the Iranians made for you!
Let me give you a personal example for now:
A family friend of mine in Mashhad (yes, that very city you sent a picture of) had a kidney surgery and was hospitalized at Razavi hospital. When we went to visit, we were surprised to see a lot of arabs in the waiting rooms and treatment wards! After talking to them, it turned out many arabs travel to Iran for cheaper and better healthcare services. Even more interesting, many services in that hospital were free or cheap for Iranians and overall it was an affordable hospital (despite being private).
Well, sometimes paradise is just a place where they don't want to empty your pockets and still provide good quality service. Of course, the hellholes we build turn out to be paradise for you! (don't ask)
And btw, this is my own personal experience, there are many other better examples I could give, but I have seen this myself.
So next time you want to spout that nonsense, remember that basically a lot of the things you have today come from those Iranian hellholes in the first place!
>>393214
>We develop both of those at the same time actually, something you people are unable to do
<Becoming an American colony, building a few more damn palaces for the rich, filling the country with whores and bitches, killing migrant workers for a ridiculous project like NEOM(which despite having astronomical budgets and no sanctions, isn’t progressing as planned), being unable to eradicate poverty and organized class disparity, exploiting your own compatriots in the worst possible ways (something we wouldn't even do to our enemies) and failing to hide all your actions (like Khashoggi), financially supporting terrorist groups and suffering losses from them yourselves, and so on...
Yes, surely we Iranians cannot perform this much stupidity and passivity all at once. You truly have a talent for this!
>Dream about it persoid, even before oil arabs still raped your entire civilization
Ha! And then your own governments were controlled and eventually overthrown by Iranians!
In fact, you pointed your dick at Iran, but Iran shackled that ugly dick of yours and tamed and controlled you. The fact that you think you raped shows how empty and useless your mind really is.
>The previous 2 posts were supposed to be 1 post btw but i had to divide it because mlpol's system is a faggot and can't let that much words be put in 1 post, i really hope this would be fixed
I understand, no need to say that. I sent 4 for you!
>>393217
Got it
P.S: Please stop sending nonsense! This is a thread about a war that hasn't yet turned into peace (a ceasefire could be broken at any moment), not a playground for some dumb arab troll who can only spit out useless garbage. If you post about this again, I won't reply, so don't bother.
P.S.2: Guys, please don't reply to his trolling either, every reply you give just makes him more eager to keep trolling.
>We develop both of those at the same time actually, something you people are unable to do
<Becoming an American colony, building a few more damn palaces for the rich, filling the country with whores and bitches, killing migrant workers for a ridiculous project like NEOM(which despite having astronomical budgets and no sanctions, isn’t progressing as planned), being unable to eradicate poverty and organized class disparity, exploiting your own compatriots in the worst possible ways (something we wouldn't even do to our enemies) and failing to hide all your actions (like Khashoggi), financially supporting terrorist groups and suffering losses from them yourselves, and so on...
Yes, surely we Iranians cannot perform this much stupidity and passivity all at once. You truly have a talent for this!
>Dream about it persoid, even before oil arabs still raped your entire civilization
Ha! And then your own governments were controlled and eventually overthrown by Iranians!
In fact, you pointed your dick at Iran, but Iran shackled that ugly dick of yours and tamed and controlled you. The fact that you think you raped shows how empty and useless your mind really is.
>The previous 2 posts were supposed to be 1 post btw but i had to divide it because mlpol's system is a faggot and can't let that much words be put in 1 post, i really hope this would be fixed
I understand, no need to say that. I sent 4 for you!
>>393217
Got it
P.S: Please stop sending nonsense! This is a thread about a war that hasn't yet turned into peace (a ceasefire could be broken at any moment), not a playground for some dumb arab troll who can only spit out useless garbage. If you post about this again, I won't reply, so don't bother.
P.S.2: Guys, please don't reply to his trolling either, every reply you give just makes him more eager to keep trolling.
>>393219
Quite literally, the only one who actually fell for this 4d chess game is Trump himself!
>>393220
So you know, humans are a type of animal too.
But in this conflict, one side consists of animals that want to control all the other animals, and the other side are animals that refuse to be controlled like the rest.
There's nothing stupid about that.
What's truly stupid is believing you can keep both sides together as if that's ever going to work.
>>393221
Well, it's true that this particular enmity has existed for thousands of years, but since the jews have almost never had a proper civilization throughout history, they were never able to pose any real threat to Iran.
Iran only attacks when it's threatened or attacked first.
And with the war that the jews themselves started, they finally gave Iran the opportunity to settle the score.
>>393222
Well, they did the right thing by not impeaching Trump. When you have entered a war, you can't just impeach your country's president and create chaos.
Right now, Trump won't be impeached, but most likely, after this war ends (regardless of the outcome), Trump will probably be impeached.
Of course, that's just my prediction.
>>393223
>>393224
>>393225
>>393226
>Netanyahu will be removed. Another radical will replace him, and this stupid cycle will repeat itself.
That's why I prefer this war to actually lead somewhere, even if it ends in destruction, because otherwise, only the same global decay will remain.
>>393227
In fact, this war itself might be a kind of effort to delay the development of further transportation links between Iran and china. But for now, we don't know what exactly will happen between Iran and china during this ceasefire, before the next round of war begins.
Currently, if the conflict causes damage to oil facilities, china will most likely be forced to enter the war(like the U.S) to secure its own interests, and that would mark the beginning of a much more serious escalation. I don't think the U.S is actually seeking that, but if it does happen, it will ultimately be to everyone's detriment.
I’m not a military expert, but I'm curious: if Iran were to decide to close the strait of Hormuz, how exactly would it go about doing it? Would it be done selectively? For example, would chinese ships be allowed to pass? And what about those few planes that came from china to Iran during the war, what exactly were they carrying? I think Iran and china have made some plans for such a scenario, but until something actually happens, we can't say anything definitive.
>>393231
In that case, it depends on which regime will come next.
>>393232
For example, does it mean the labor party or something like that would roughly take power? Are the angry Israelis in a mood to accept becoming left-wing or centrist?
>>393233
>Meanwhile, Xi Jinping is waiting in his office to hear about the operation.
>>393243
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>>393245
>kikes' nature
Quite literally, the only one who actually fell for this 4d chess game is Trump himself!
>>393220
So you know, humans are a type of animal too.
But in this conflict, one side consists of animals that want to control all the other animals, and the other side are animals that refuse to be controlled like the rest.
There's nothing stupid about that.
What's truly stupid is believing you can keep both sides together as if that's ever going to work.
>>393221
Well, it's true that this particular enmity has existed for thousands of years, but since the jews have almost never had a proper civilization throughout history, they were never able to pose any real threat to Iran.
Iran only attacks when it's threatened or attacked first.
And with the war that the jews themselves started, they finally gave Iran the opportunity to settle the score.
>>393222
Well, they did the right thing by not impeaching Trump. When you have entered a war, you can't just impeach your country's president and create chaos.
Right now, Trump won't be impeached, but most likely, after this war ends (regardless of the outcome), Trump will probably be impeached.
Of course, that's just my prediction.
>>393223
>>393224
>>393225
>>393226
>Netanyahu will be removed. Another radical will replace him, and this stupid cycle will repeat itself.
That's why I prefer this war to actually lead somewhere, even if it ends in destruction, because otherwise, only the same global decay will remain.
>>393227
In fact, this war itself might be a kind of effort to delay the development of further transportation links between Iran and china. But for now, we don't know what exactly will happen between Iran and china during this ceasefire, before the next round of war begins.
Currently, if the conflict causes damage to oil facilities, china will most likely be forced to enter the war(like the U.S) to secure its own interests, and that would mark the beginning of a much more serious escalation. I don't think the U.S is actually seeking that, but if it does happen, it will ultimately be to everyone's detriment.
I’m not a military expert, but I'm curious: if Iran were to decide to close the strait of Hormuz, how exactly would it go about doing it? Would it be done selectively? For example, would chinese ships be allowed to pass? And what about those few planes that came from china to Iran during the war, what exactly were they carrying? I think Iran and china have made some plans for such a scenario, but until something actually happens, we can't say anything definitive.
>>393231
In that case, it depends on which regime will come next.
>>393232
For example, does it mean the labor party or something like that would roughly take power? Are the angry Israelis in a mood to accept becoming left-wing or centrist?
>>393233
>Meanwhile, Xi Jinping is waiting in his office to hear about the operation.
>>393243
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>>393245
>kikes' nature
>>393248
Hi!
>internet was restricted here for 12 days
Bro?? The international internet wasn't even cut off for a full week, how come you didn't have internet for 12 days??!
>now mlpol is filtered so now i have to use vpn for connecting here
Why? I can still connect without a vpn even now, that's strange... but maybe it works now. Probably when you were posting, they hadn't fully and properly restored the internet yet.
>anyway lots of shit happened
I bet you didn't go through as much crap as I did:
First off, I had a bunch of trouble when the war started, I was working on a project that was almost finished, and the guy who was supposed to do the final assembly just disappeared. Took me two whole days to track him down and get him back to finish it. Then tons of people started leaving Tehran, and my parents down in Bandar Abbas were freaking out, thinking I might get hurt or worse.
Two days before the internet got locked down, I was supposed to head to Bandar the next day. On my way to the library, I passed a small, kind of isolated park, and from a distance, I saw a guy pouring something all over a few tires. It was pretty clear he was planning to set them on fire, probably to stir up panic. (later I found out he was an afghan infiltrator.)
So I slowly approached to get a better look, and once I was sure what was happening, I called 113 or 114(can't remember which). I realized he was going to light the fire and run, probably before the police could arrive. And then, I don't even know why the fuck, I grabbed a stick lying nearby and ran up behind him, smacked him on the side of the head, and knocked him out cold. His head was bleeding, and I was freaking out thinking maybe I accidentally killed the guy.
Police showed up, took me to the station, and sent him to the hospital! Took about a full day before he woke up and they cleared me of any charges. But they still made me delete the video I secretly recorded of him (some dumb "security" reason). Also yeah… kinda awkward when they saw my pony stuff on my phone.
Anyway, once I got out and they told me not to go around attacking faggots again and just report them, I rushed to Bandar Abbas by bus, stayed there for one day, and then came back to Tehran.
After that, I needed to download some really important notes from google drive, but the university internet(which was supposed to stay open), was totally dead. So I asked one of my IT buddies for help. I'm not really good with this tech stuff, but he explained something about static ips, telecom vs mobinnet. In the end, he lent me a mobinnet modem with a sim card, and that's how I managed to get back online, up until today when, finally, everything started working normally again.
So... what's your story, anon? Which city were you in when all this went down?(trying to be normal with you, as I see what did you post later.)
>have to tell all of my western friends in discord that i am alive
When I connected, I saw about 20 messages from different guys just in tel.
>fuck israel and fuck irgc
Oh shit! Here we go again...
>i was reading the other irani-fag replies. do not trust this faggot
Oh, so you just now realized the internet isn't a place to trust people?
Wow, truly groundbreaking.
Thanks for reminding us of the obvious, we would be so lost without you.
>they are a Irgc propaganda shil and they're here to just spread misinformation and manipulate brains.
First of all, please stop throwing around the word "irgc" like that. You are literally a delusional faggot who labels anything slightly opposing your stupid ideas as irgc guy. Please quit repeating that ridiculous nonsense!
Btw, you were the one giving wrong information right from the start: 12 days??? Really nigger??!
And I'm not here to "manipulate minds" like you say (so tell me, which of my statements was false or mind-manipulating?), but it seems like the one whose mind has been completely fucked by the devil is you, with your ridiculous opinions!
>in 12 days i could not connect here (or anywhere) just like most people in my country
I'll say it again, what damn timeline are you living in that you and most people in the country supposedly had no internet for 12 days??! I remember the only ones claiming that Iranians lost internet from day one of the war were some fucking kikes on 4chan pushing propaganda for themselves. Are you one of them??! Well, if that's the case, it explains everything...
>but this asshole somehow was able to do so
I think now you know how I did, asshole.
>he is sucking so much mullah dick rn
Just show me one fucking post from me that I did what you say faggot! JUST ONE FUCKING POST!!!
If you can't find it, shut the hell up and don't open your damn mouth about this nonsense anymore!
>either he has a special net form
Mobinnet's internet had low speed and barely connected to vpn, but when it did connect, the speed weirdly increased (I don't know why). My vpn was a paid one (PARS VPN) and it worked. Also, if I posted on the site without a vpn, it would show the Azerbaijan flag (I really don't know why, I still haven't asked my friend about that).
And you, if you just move your ass a bit and ask someone who actually knows this stuff, you can find a way too! (be ready for the next rounds of the war.)
Hi!
>internet was restricted here for 12 days
Bro?? The international internet wasn't even cut off for a full week, how come you didn't have internet for 12 days??!
>now mlpol is filtered so now i have to use vpn for connecting here
Why? I can still connect without a vpn even now, that's strange... but maybe it works now. Probably when you were posting, they hadn't fully and properly restored the internet yet.
>anyway lots of shit happened
I bet you didn't go through as much crap as I did:
First off, I had a bunch of trouble when the war started, I was working on a project that was almost finished, and the guy who was supposed to do the final assembly just disappeared. Took me two whole days to track him down and get him back to finish it. Then tons of people started leaving Tehran, and my parents down in Bandar Abbas were freaking out, thinking I might get hurt or worse.
Two days before the internet got locked down, I was supposed to head to Bandar the next day. On my way to the library, I passed a small, kind of isolated park, and from a distance, I saw a guy pouring something all over a few tires. It was pretty clear he was planning to set them on fire, probably to stir up panic. (later I found out he was an afghan infiltrator.)
So I slowly approached to get a better look, and once I was sure what was happening, I called 113 or 114(can't remember which). I realized he was going to light the fire and run, probably before the police could arrive. And then, I don't even know why the fuck, I grabbed a stick lying nearby and ran up behind him, smacked him on the side of the head, and knocked him out cold. His head was bleeding, and I was freaking out thinking maybe I accidentally killed the guy.
Police showed up, took me to the station, and sent him to the hospital! Took about a full day before he woke up and they cleared me of any charges. But they still made me delete the video I secretly recorded of him (some dumb "security" reason). Also yeah… kinda awkward when they saw my pony stuff on my phone.
Anyway, once I got out and they told me not to go around attacking faggots again and just report them, I rushed to Bandar Abbas by bus, stayed there for one day, and then came back to Tehran.
After that, I needed to download some really important notes from google drive, but the university internet(which was supposed to stay open), was totally dead. So I asked one of my IT buddies for help. I'm not really good with this tech stuff, but he explained something about static ips, telecom vs mobinnet. In the end, he lent me a mobinnet modem with a sim card, and that's how I managed to get back online, up until today when, finally, everything started working normally again.
So... what's your story, anon? Which city were you in when all this went down?(trying to be normal with you, as I see what did you post later.)
>have to tell all of my western friends in discord that i am alive
When I connected, I saw about 20 messages from different guys just in tel.
>fuck israel and fuck irgc
Oh shit! Here we go again...
>i was reading the other irani-fag replies. do not trust this faggot
Oh, so you just now realized the internet isn't a place to trust people?
Wow, truly groundbreaking.
Thanks for reminding us of the obvious, we would be so lost without you.
>they are a Irgc propaganda shil and they're here to just spread misinformation and manipulate brains.
First of all, please stop throwing around the word "irgc" like that. You are literally a delusional faggot who labels anything slightly opposing your stupid ideas as irgc guy. Please quit repeating that ridiculous nonsense!
Btw, you were the one giving wrong information right from the start: 12 days??? Really nigger??!
And I'm not here to "manipulate minds" like you say (so tell me, which of my statements was false or mind-manipulating?), but it seems like the one whose mind has been completely fucked by the devil is you, with your ridiculous opinions!
>in 12 days i could not connect here (or anywhere) just like most people in my country
I'll say it again, what damn timeline are you living in that you and most people in the country supposedly had no internet for 12 days??! I remember the only ones claiming that Iranians lost internet from day one of the war were some fucking kikes on 4chan pushing propaganda for themselves. Are you one of them??! Well, if that's the case, it explains everything...
>but this asshole somehow was able to do so
I think now you know how I did, asshole.
>he is sucking so much mullah dick rn
Just show me one fucking post from me that I did what you say faggot! JUST ONE FUCKING POST!!!
If you can't find it, shut the hell up and don't open your damn mouth about this nonsense anymore!
>either he has a special net form
Mobinnet's internet had low speed and barely connected to vpn, but when it did connect, the speed weirdly increased (I don't know why). My vpn was a paid one (PARS VPN) and it worked. Also, if I posted on the site without a vpn, it would show the Azerbaijan flag (I really don't know why, I still haven't asked my friend about that).
And you, if you just move your ass a bit and ask someone who actually knows this stuff, you can find a way too! (be ready for the next rounds of the war.)
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>>393249
>or he is not even in iran (you can easily download iranian vpn for accessing farsi sites)
As they say: "کافر همه را به کیش خود پندارد"
The way you're accusing and acting like maybe I'm not even in Iran and I'm posting from abroad with an Iranian vpn, makes me wonder if you might be one of those people who throw such accusations at others??! Maybe you're not even Iranian at all! I feel like I'm looking right at the tip of your nose, at least mentally and in your thinking, you behave exactly like (((them)))!
I also remember you called yourself armenian, but every armenian I've ever met was calm, organized, with strong mental and ideological discipline, and culturally devoted, which is exactly the opposite of what you are! Even as a christian, you openly cursed god and said you love Jesus but hate his father! On the other hand, like the kikes, you say Iranians had no internet for 12 days! You weave sad stories from your past trying to make yourself feel at home in my heart, like some jewish martyr! On top of that, you talk like a neurotic, nihilistic jew, and I keep tolerating it, while you keep attacking me, enough already! Once, twice, three times, a hundred times!!! How many fucking times do I have to tolerate you, while you keep insulting me like a lunatic??! Enough, idiot!
If you’re jewish, well, nothing to say, your cover's blown. And if you're really Iranian, you're only Iranian in name, because you're nothing like a real Iranian. You honestly don't deserve to live if you don't care about it! And I don't give a fuck who the fuck you are, what ethnicity you belong to, what religion or ideology you follow, which city you're from, or what your past is... If you are Iranian and in these conditions want to act like a loser fool and make it seem like all Iranians are like that, then just get lost!
If you're against the kikes, then you have no right to say you don't want this damn war! Don't tell me you expect a lightning strike from the sky to kill them??! You have to break some eggs to make an omelet.
And if you don't care about Iran, insult someone who is analyzing this war, lie one after another, and think you're the most miserable person in the world, then you have the right to behave however you want. I hope you never live as an Iranian for a hundred years, asshole!
And don't you dare call yourself a nationalist, a nationalist who is so self-sold, westernized, and depressed is better off shitting in their own ass than screaming here!
If you're on the Iranian side, then don't lie like a dumb jew and tell the truth and real analysis! Otherwise, it's better for you to shut up and get lost!
>there is a cease fire. iran lost many military bases and nuclear sites
Well done, idiot! People here are trying to analyze how exactly this ceasefire is supposed to hold up despite all these problems, whether those bases that were hit have actually been destroyed, and where the uranium is now, then you come along and tell us the obvious! Thanks for the heads-up, dumbass!
>1k people are dead and near 13k people are injured
And again, another fucking big lie from you, idiot! How many shekels of their budget have they set aside for you, you fool?!
Even the highest numbers, even in unofficial sources, don't reach 1000 (I'm not even talking about the official 606). The highest number of injured doesn't exceed 6000. How did you manage to double that??!
Do you pull these lies out of your ass? Or are you connected to somewhere? Even your (((cyber shills))) haven't told such huge lies!
>tbh civilian casualty is pretty low compared to the amount fuckery missiles that IDF shot
Well, kike, what do you mean by that? Are you trying to say Israel has been friendly with the Iranian people or something? Bullshit!
First, your stats are wrong and those numbers are way lower. Second, all those Israeli missiles actually didn't hit their targets. Third, Israel was fighting Aryan Iranians, not some bunch of Gaza sandniggers. Surely they can't cause that much destruction and kill that many people.
And btw, why don't you say the same thing about Iran? Could it be that (((they))) told you if you say the same about Iran's attacks, they won't give you any shekels???
>IRGC did not do shit to israel , idc what anyone says.
<Another fucking big lie, extra shekels for you, faggot!
>irani people are scared and they are full of hatred toward their government , seem like they were happy that israel is punishing iran
Idiot! Even most of the Iranian opposition (including myself) have temporarily sided with the regime, because national interests are at risk, not political interests! And btw, exactly in which media or where in this country are you that you think you can judge the entire people, fool??! Where have the people, in the middle of a war, celebrated punishing the regime while Israel is attacking their country and killing ordinary people??! You probably, in your stupidity, think that celebration people had on Saturday was because they were happy about the attack on the regime?? No, dumbass! That day was Eid Ghadir, and millions of people celebrated it precisely to show they oppose Israel and that Israel cannot ruin their celebration. Something your backward brain probably can't understand! (This video is from that very day, faggot!)
>can't blame them. personally i don't know how to feel about the war
Yeah, you can't say anything meaningful. A damn traitor or an angry kike who currently feels humiliated can't express their feelings. You would rather shut up about this and just take your money.
>i can say that two cruel government fought and innocent people died pretty much
Oh! Better hope they don't dock your pay for that comment. Maybe they won't like you calling both sides "cruel" just to keep up appearances.
Besides, this war was between a country and its people against a bunch of kikes who, in the end, had to call in their mommy (the U.S) to maybe do something for them.(and U.S just dicked them, LoL)
>or he is not even in iran (you can easily download iranian vpn for accessing farsi sites)
As they say: "کافر همه را به کیش خود پندارد"
The way you're accusing and acting like maybe I'm not even in Iran and I'm posting from abroad with an Iranian vpn, makes me wonder if you might be one of those people who throw such accusations at others??! Maybe you're not even Iranian at all! I feel like I'm looking right at the tip of your nose, at least mentally and in your thinking, you behave exactly like (((them)))!
I also remember you called yourself armenian, but every armenian I've ever met was calm, organized, with strong mental and ideological discipline, and culturally devoted, which is exactly the opposite of what you are! Even as a christian, you openly cursed god and said you love Jesus but hate his father! On the other hand, like the kikes, you say Iranians had no internet for 12 days! You weave sad stories from your past trying to make yourself feel at home in my heart, like some jewish martyr! On top of that, you talk like a neurotic, nihilistic jew, and I keep tolerating it, while you keep attacking me, enough already! Once, twice, three times, a hundred times!!! How many fucking times do I have to tolerate you, while you keep insulting me like a lunatic??! Enough, idiot!
If you’re jewish, well, nothing to say, your cover's blown. And if you're really Iranian, you're only Iranian in name, because you're nothing like a real Iranian. You honestly don't deserve to live if you don't care about it! And I don't give a fuck who the fuck you are, what ethnicity you belong to, what religion or ideology you follow, which city you're from, or what your past is... If you are Iranian and in these conditions want to act like a loser fool and make it seem like all Iranians are like that, then just get lost!
If you're against the kikes, then you have no right to say you don't want this damn war! Don't tell me you expect a lightning strike from the sky to kill them??! You have to break some eggs to make an omelet.
And if you don't care about Iran, insult someone who is analyzing this war, lie one after another, and think you're the most miserable person in the world, then you have the right to behave however you want. I hope you never live as an Iranian for a hundred years, asshole!
And don't you dare call yourself a nationalist, a nationalist who is so self-sold, westernized, and depressed is better off shitting in their own ass than screaming here!
If you're on the Iranian side, then don't lie like a dumb jew and tell the truth and real analysis! Otherwise, it's better for you to shut up and get lost!
>there is a cease fire. iran lost many military bases and nuclear sites
Well done, idiot! People here are trying to analyze how exactly this ceasefire is supposed to hold up despite all these problems, whether those bases that were hit have actually been destroyed, and where the uranium is now, then you come along and tell us the obvious! Thanks for the heads-up, dumbass!
>1k people are dead and near 13k people are injured
And again, another fucking big lie from you, idiot! How many shekels of their budget have they set aside for you, you fool?!
Even the highest numbers, even in unofficial sources, don't reach 1000 (I'm not even talking about the official 606). The highest number of injured doesn't exceed 6000. How did you manage to double that??!
Do you pull these lies out of your ass? Or are you connected to somewhere? Even your (((cyber shills))) haven't told such huge lies!
>tbh civilian casualty is pretty low compared to the amount fuckery missiles that IDF shot
Well, kike, what do you mean by that? Are you trying to say Israel has been friendly with the Iranian people or something? Bullshit!
First, your stats are wrong and those numbers are way lower. Second, all those Israeli missiles actually didn't hit their targets. Third, Israel was fighting Aryan Iranians, not some bunch of Gaza sandniggers. Surely they can't cause that much destruction and kill that many people.
And btw, why don't you say the same thing about Iran? Could it be that (((they))) told you if you say the same about Iran's attacks, they won't give you any shekels???
>IRGC did not do shit to israel , idc what anyone says.
<Another fucking big lie, extra shekels for you, faggot!
>irani people are scared and they are full of hatred toward their government , seem like they were happy that israel is punishing iran
Idiot! Even most of the Iranian opposition (including myself) have temporarily sided with the regime, because national interests are at risk, not political interests! And btw, exactly in which media or where in this country are you that you think you can judge the entire people, fool??! Where have the people, in the middle of a war, celebrated punishing the regime while Israel is attacking their country and killing ordinary people??! You probably, in your stupidity, think that celebration people had on Saturday was because they were happy about the attack on the regime?? No, dumbass! That day was Eid Ghadir, and millions of people celebrated it precisely to show they oppose Israel and that Israel cannot ruin their celebration. Something your backward brain probably can't understand! (This video is from that very day, faggot!)
>can't blame them. personally i don't know how to feel about the war
Yeah, you can't say anything meaningful. A damn traitor or an angry kike who currently feels humiliated can't express their feelings. You would rather shut up about this and just take your money.
>i can say that two cruel government fought and innocent people died pretty much
Oh! Better hope they don't dock your pay for that comment. Maybe they won't like you calling both sides "cruel" just to keep up appearances.
Besides, this war was between a country and its people against a bunch of kikes who, in the end, had to call in their mommy (the U.S) to maybe do something for them.(and U.S just dicked them, LoL)
>>393253
>internet is barely coming back.
This is one of the only lies I can't deny. Because honestly, when the internet came back, I was busy with something and only checked a few hours later, and it connected easily. But well, since I've experienced this before, maybe this is the only thing I'm willing to believe from you.
>yesterday was the most horrible day here , so many missile so many sounds so many explosions so many earth quakes (due to explossions)
Idiot! Just yesterday(last day) was one of the weak days. I was in Tehran myself, the peak of the explosions was early in the second week! Don't add too much hot sauce!
>>393254
>neither , i am just a hippy dude who wants to live his life and that is it , which i can't .you don't know what being iranian means...
This is exactly the kind of mindset a sellout traitor or a nihilistic kike would have. Deal with it, asshole.
As an ordinary Iranian, I am living my life and not whining like a loser.
If you want to fix your life situation, do something about it.
If you can't, then shut the hell up!
>your government is shit , your enemies are shit , your people are depressed and angry...
More whining from a pathetic loser.
No one gives a shit about your words, go fix your own life!
>i am just tired of this planet and it's living beings. and i cannot do anything about it
A nihilistic bastard illustrated.
>maybe i should scratch on the future government in iran or just have to live like a random npc like a normal person would do
Think like a passive loser so much that you explode! If you don't take action, nothing will get done for you!
Btw, you're one of the most abnormal bastard I've ever seen. No normal person is this crazy, pathetic, and a loser.
I had some hope in you before, but here you showed your true self.
As the poet says:
"بی کمالی های انسان از سخن پیدا شود
پسته بی مغز چون لب وا کند رسوا شود"
>internet is barely coming back.
This is one of the only lies I can't deny. Because honestly, when the internet came back, I was busy with something and only checked a few hours later, and it connected easily. But well, since I've experienced this before, maybe this is the only thing I'm willing to believe from you.
>yesterday was the most horrible day here , so many missile so many sounds so many explosions so many earth quakes (due to explossions)
Idiot! Just yesterday(last day) was one of the weak days. I was in Tehran myself, the peak of the explosions was early in the second week! Don't add too much hot sauce!
>>393254
>neither , i am just a hippy dude who wants to live his life and that is it , which i can't .you don't know what being iranian means...
This is exactly the kind of mindset a sellout traitor or a nihilistic kike would have. Deal with it, asshole.
As an ordinary Iranian, I am living my life and not whining like a loser.
If you want to fix your life situation, do something about it.
If you can't, then shut the hell up!
>your government is shit , your enemies are shit , your people are depressed and angry...
More whining from a pathetic loser.
No one gives a shit about your words, go fix your own life!
>i am just tired of this planet and it's living beings. and i cannot do anything about it
A nihilistic bastard illustrated.
>maybe i should scratch on the future government in iran or just have to live like a random npc like a normal person would do
Think like a passive loser so much that you explode! If you don't take action, nothing will get done for you!
Btw, you're one of the most abnormal bastard I've ever seen. No normal person is this crazy, pathetic, and a loser.
I had some hope in you before, but here you showed your true self.
As the poet says:
"بی کمالی های انسان از سخن پیدا شود
پسته بی مغز چون لب وا کند رسوا شود"
>>393252
I don't think he's even a 5th column. Because literally, he does nothing and, as they say, just brings everyone down.
We call people like this(who occasionally show up on twitter or tel) a type of troll. They truly believe in nothing and live in complete emptiness and stupidity. You can find these kinds of people both among the regime supporters and the opposition groups on tel. In both groups, they behave as if they're depressed and miserable, trying to spread that misery to others.
Among the regime supporters, they might make you lose your feelings toward the regime, and among the opposition, they behave in a way that makes you feel foolish. They're just self-deprecating, worthless people who really have nothing to offer and can't even serve as a good 5th column.
Such people are not truly in love with the west or the east because when you sold your homeland, you also sold the feeling of love itself (this may sound poetic and literary, but it'ls really serious). So they genuinely have no real belief in anything, and that's what leads to their ruin.
I don't know much about immigrants from other countries, but regarding Iranian immigrants (because some of my paternal family live abroad), I know that most of them are students, elites, businessmen, or their families. That's why they usually adhere to certain values and often belong to the middle to upper-middle class in western societies. Usually, they try to keep their heads down and don't interfere much in various issues, unless it directly concerns them.
They always carry a sense of nationalism and patriotism within themselves (they always feel alienated in the west). Whether they are opposition or regime supporters, they try to maintain their Iranian roots and religious identity (probably if you talk to some of them, they consider themselves secular or atheist, but as one of my cousins who lives in Westwood said, people hang symbols like Faravahar, the "One in a Thousand" tapestry, or pictures of the Shah and Mossadegh(who were mortal enemies) side by side because of their nationalist appearance).
Yes, there are also some illegal Iranian immigrants who are pretty much like "him" (he's the unhealthiest example among them).
Overall, this does not apply to legal Iranian immigrants, they basically don't shout or make a fuss.
This guy is a symbol of complete depression and madness leading to ruin.
>>393261
Your concern for him is understandable, but I have talked to him enough now to realize that he really has no way back. He has burned his bridges behind him and reached ruin and emptiness.
And I guarantee you, he is a human being, but a person you can no longer hope for. Even you, though you don't know many Iranians, can clearly see that he is mentally ill and cannot be a healthy Iranian. Of course, in my opinion, he might not even be Iranian at all.
As I said, he is probably either a self-sold, nihilistic person or a (((foolish cyber troll))). In either case, there is no hope for him.
>>393262
As I said, don't troll here.
>>393266
This is the kind of argument I call "دعوای زرگری".
There's no guarantee that this isn't just an act being played by both sides.
>>393268
I understood the talks and some of the jokes with people, but I think this whole thing is a bit too American for me. Is all this just joking about your politicians? I mostly feel it relates to internal matters.
P.S: please as I said, don't cheer the arab and (((irani-like))) trolls by replying them. Don't give a shit about them. I really could post something more useful, if I didn't have to reply them. Now I can just save my time.
I don't think he's even a 5th column. Because literally, he does nothing and, as they say, just brings everyone down.
We call people like this(who occasionally show up on twitter or tel) a type of troll. They truly believe in nothing and live in complete emptiness and stupidity. You can find these kinds of people both among the regime supporters and the opposition groups on tel. In both groups, they behave as if they're depressed and miserable, trying to spread that misery to others.
Among the regime supporters, they might make you lose your feelings toward the regime, and among the opposition, they behave in a way that makes you feel foolish. They're just self-deprecating, worthless people who really have nothing to offer and can't even serve as a good 5th column.
Such people are not truly in love with the west or the east because when you sold your homeland, you also sold the feeling of love itself (this may sound poetic and literary, but it'ls really serious). So they genuinely have no real belief in anything, and that's what leads to their ruin.
I don't know much about immigrants from other countries, but regarding Iranian immigrants (because some of my paternal family live abroad), I know that most of them are students, elites, businessmen, or their families. That's why they usually adhere to certain values and often belong to the middle to upper-middle class in western societies. Usually, they try to keep their heads down and don't interfere much in various issues, unless it directly concerns them.
They always carry a sense of nationalism and patriotism within themselves (they always feel alienated in the west). Whether they are opposition or regime supporters, they try to maintain their Iranian roots and religious identity (probably if you talk to some of them, they consider themselves secular or atheist, but as one of my cousins who lives in Westwood said, people hang symbols like Faravahar, the "One in a Thousand" tapestry, or pictures of the Shah and Mossadegh(who were mortal enemies) side by side because of their nationalist appearance).
Yes, there are also some illegal Iranian immigrants who are pretty much like "him" (he's the unhealthiest example among them).
Overall, this does not apply to legal Iranian immigrants, they basically don't shout or make a fuss.
This guy is a symbol of complete depression and madness leading to ruin.
>>393261
Your concern for him is understandable, but I have talked to him enough now to realize that he really has no way back. He has burned his bridges behind him and reached ruin and emptiness.
And I guarantee you, he is a human being, but a person you can no longer hope for. Even you, though you don't know many Iranians, can clearly see that he is mentally ill and cannot be a healthy Iranian. Of course, in my opinion, he might not even be Iranian at all.
As I said, he is probably either a self-sold, nihilistic person or a (((foolish cyber troll))). In either case, there is no hope for him.
>>393262
As I said, don't troll here.
>>393266
This is the kind of argument I call "دعوای زرگری".
There's no guarantee that this isn't just an act being played by both sides.
>>393268
I understood the talks and some of the jokes with people, but I think this whole thing is a bit too American for me. Is all this just joking about your politicians? I mostly feel it relates to internal matters.
P.S: please as I said, don't cheer the arab and (((irani-like))) trolls by replying them. Don't give a shit about them. I really could post something more useful, if I didn't have to reply them. Now I can just save my time.
>>393293
>Is all this just joking about your politicians?
No joking, but mocking them. They are incompetent, uncultured lying clowns and exhibit A why there is not political solution for western liberal/conservative democracy. This is not going to end well.
>Is all this just joking about your politicians?
No joking, but mocking them. They are incompetent, uncultured lying clowns and exhibit A why there is not political solution for western liberal/conservative democracy. This is not going to end well.
>>393294
It seems there's no government whose people don't hate it.
But well, Churchill once said something interesting:
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried.
It seems there's no government whose people don't hate it.
But well, Churchill once said something interesting:
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried.
>>393289
>And what about those few planes that came from china to Iran during the war, what exactly were they carrying?
I think electronic warfare equipment. If kikes sabotaged part of system, the air delivery is the fastest way. And GPS suppression against glide bombs quite effective. I wand to share some data about it first.
Pic related from our electronic warfare guide:
- Vertical scale -- radius of suppression in kilometers.
- Horizontal scale -- power output of EW-equipment in kilowatts.
As you can see power more than 1-2 kW actually useless, but numerous small stations effective, especially if they are on high altitude drones. We have two electronic warfare belts behind frontline. 10 km between them, stations 2-4 km one from the other (1-2 kW station = 0.8-1 km suppression). If glide bomb flies 20 km above two lines of stations it has deviation about ±20-30 meters, practically it makes bombs like SDB 4-5 times less effective.
Some details about SDB and GMLRS electronics:
- GPS DIGAR -- accuracy ±5-8 meters without suppression.
- INS HG1700 -- deviation 10 meters per 30 seconds fly if GPS was suppressed.
- Laser-guided -- laser from small drone 2.5 km from target (drone lifespan usually 1-3 sorties)
Ukrainians uses GLSDB (ground launched SDB with speed 250 m/s), but they trash compared to GMLRS (Himars missiles with speed 830 m/s), faster projectiles means better accuracy with INS. When GMLRS gained speed and gyroscope has activated during first minute after launch, this impossible to influence it during flight. To suppress GMLRS for sure you need EW-station at height of 12 km on the enemy territory, but small EW-drone can't reach such attitude. I do not know, what tricks we used to suppress GMLRS, enemy rarely uses it against units further than 10-20 km behind frontline, but can try up to 50 km distance if sees drone team or supply convoy.
Himars can launch GMLRS from 75 km (usually from 25-50 km zone behind frontline). Fly time 3-5 minutes, accuracy ±5-8 meters without suppression, usually 2-3 projectiles with cluster warheads against one target, equivalent of 100-150 unguided 152mm HE shells or 30-50 unguided cluster shells (2-3 injured, 0.3-0.5 killed). Production quite numerous, about 15-20k GMLRS in 2025FY, but reserves are exhausted, we sees missiles with new 2023 electronics.
GMLRS is most dangerous ground based weapon in NATO arsenal. GMLRS effective only against stationary targets (coordinates loaded in warhead before launch). Keep in mind 5 minutes period between detection and launch. Body armor reduces lethality by 2.5 times.
>And what about those few planes that came from china to Iran during the war, what exactly were they carrying?
I think electronic warfare equipment. If kikes sabotaged part of system, the air delivery is the fastest way. And GPS suppression against glide bombs quite effective. I wand to share some data about it first.
Pic related from our electronic warfare guide:
- Vertical scale -- radius of suppression in kilometers.
- Horizontal scale -- power output of EW-equipment in kilowatts.
As you can see power more than 1-2 kW actually useless, but numerous small stations effective, especially if they are on high altitude drones. We have two electronic warfare belts behind frontline. 10 km between them, stations 2-4 km one from the other (1-2 kW station = 0.8-1 km suppression). If glide bomb flies 20 km above two lines of stations it has deviation about ±20-30 meters, practically it makes bombs like SDB 4-5 times less effective.
Some details about SDB and GMLRS electronics:
- GPS DIGAR -- accuracy ±5-8 meters without suppression.
- INS HG1700 -- deviation 10 meters per 30 seconds fly if GPS was suppressed.
- Laser-guided -- laser from small drone 2.5 km from target (drone lifespan usually 1-3 sorties)
Ukrainians uses GLSDB (ground launched SDB with speed 250 m/s), but they trash compared to GMLRS (Himars missiles with speed 830 m/s), faster projectiles means better accuracy with INS. When GMLRS gained speed and gyroscope has activated during first minute after launch, this impossible to influence it during flight. To suppress GMLRS for sure you need EW-station at height of 12 km on the enemy territory, but small EW-drone can't reach such attitude. I do not know, what tricks we used to suppress GMLRS, enemy rarely uses it against units further than 10-20 km behind frontline, but can try up to 50 km distance if sees drone team or supply convoy.
Himars can launch GMLRS from 75 km (usually from 25-50 km zone behind frontline). Fly time 3-5 minutes, accuracy ±5-8 meters without suppression, usually 2-3 projectiles with cluster warheads against one target, equivalent of 100-150 unguided 152mm HE shells or 30-50 unguided cluster shells (2-3 injured, 0.3-0.5 killed). Production quite numerous, about 15-20k GMLRS in 2025FY, but reserves are exhausted, we sees missiles with new 2023 electronics.
GMLRS is most dangerous ground based weapon in NATO arsenal. GMLRS effective only against stationary targets (coordinates loaded in warhead before launch). Keep in mind 5 minutes period between detection and launch. Body armor reduces lethality by 2.5 times.
I hope, you will find some good use for it. Other answers tomorrow.
I just wish we would stop putting geriatric patients in charge of the nation.
>>393289
>Quite literally, the only one who actually fell for this 4d chess game is Trump himself!
Well of course, Trump is really easy to figure out and manipulate, because his ego demands that he is always the smartest and most powerful person in the room, regardless of who is in the room with him.
"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."
I doubt any removal of the likud party will be permanent. They tried that in 2021, but the coalition fell apart and the likud rapidly reasserted power.
>Quite literally, the only one who actually fell for this 4d chess game is Trump himself!
Well of course, Trump is really easy to figure out and manipulate, because his ego demands that he is always the smartest and most powerful person in the room, regardless of who is in the room with him.
"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."
I doubt any removal of the likud party will be permanent. They tried that in 2021, but the coalition fell apart and the likud rapidly reasserted power.
>https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-june-26-2025/
LOL
>Khamenei: US entered war as it feared Israel ‘would be completely destroyed if it didn’t’
The average American can't even find Israel on the map.
There are even American jews who want nothing to do with Zionism.
The US entered the war because Bibi skillfully manipulated his favorite useful idiot, the President of the United States of America.
He tried to manipulate Congress as well, but there are just too many skeptics and gainsayers there.
LOL
>Khamenei: US entered war as it feared Israel ‘would be completely destroyed if it didn’t’
The average American can't even find Israel on the map.
There are even American jews who want nothing to do with Zionism.
The US entered the war because Bibi skillfully manipulated his favorite useful idiot, the President of the United States of America.
He tried to manipulate Congress as well, but there are just too many skeptics and gainsayers there.
>>393318
>Bibi skillfully manipulated his favorite useful idiot
>He tried to manipulate Congress
A gentle reminder.
>Bibi skillfully manipulated his favorite useful idiot
>He tried to manipulate Congress
A gentle reminder.
God... This is the literal definition of PAIN
>>393318
>The US entered the war because Bibi skillfully manipulated his favorite useful idiot, the President of the United States of America.
Tbh, I think Bibi has yet to get the result he wanted. Bibi wants total regime change in Iran, and he wants the USA to fight the war for him. Trump just bombed a couple nuclear sites that can be rebuilt in a couple months.
Trump is motivated by vanity, and war is an ugly thing. He clearly wants this conflict over as soon as possible. He's also a narcissist, and seems to be keen on detecting manipulative egocentrists like Bibi who would try to disrespect and take advantage of him: that's why he was so openly angry at Bibi and berates him on TV the other day for breaking the ceasefire.
Trump is definitely still a Zionist and will do what's best for Israel, but I don't think he's going to buy into Bibi's self-destructive warmongering plan just yet.
>The US entered the war because Bibi skillfully manipulated his favorite useful idiot, the President of the United States of America.
Tbh, I think Bibi has yet to get the result he wanted. Bibi wants total regime change in Iran, and he wants the USA to fight the war for him. Trump just bombed a couple nuclear sites that can be rebuilt in a couple months.
Trump is motivated by vanity, and war is an ugly thing. He clearly wants this conflict over as soon as possible. He's also a narcissist, and seems to be keen on detecting manipulative egocentrists like Bibi who would try to disrespect and take advantage of him: that's why he was so openly angry at Bibi and berates him on TV the other day for breaking the ceasefire.
Trump is definitely still a Zionist and will do what's best for Israel, but I don't think he's going to buy into Bibi's self-destructive warmongering plan just yet.
>>393321
>Bibi wants total regime change in Iran
Yup, and he has already been pressuring Trump to "finish the job".
>Trump is motivated by vanity
Well, he can take comfort in the fact that he can call himself a wartime President, setting himself up alongside Monroe, Polk, Lincoln, McKinley, Wilson, Roosevelt, Johnson, Reagan, and George W. Bush.
>Trump is definitely still a Zionist and will do what's best for Israel
He moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, long in Bibi's wish-list because it affirms Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.
>Bibi wants total regime change in Iran
Yup, and he has already been pressuring Trump to "finish the job".
>Trump is motivated by vanity
Well, he can take comfort in the fact that he can call himself a wartime President, setting himself up alongside Monroe, Polk, Lincoln, McKinley, Wilson, Roosevelt, Johnson, Reagan, and George W. Bush.
>Trump is definitely still a Zionist and will do what's best for Israel
He moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, long in Bibi's wish-list because it affirms Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.
>>393290
>>393292
>BLAH BLAH
you write too much and you care too much about what people say on the internet
that means you still have some dignity and hope to care to prove yourself for a random nigga on the internet
at this point i am just too depressed to give a fuck who is a good firend and who is a bad foe
life has been shit for all of us in iran
anyway
glad you're alive , and i don't care if you're basiji or npc or mossad or whatever the fuck you identify as
--
also you need to stop talking to that arabtard, that guy is a troll and he never posts in a good faith
Side note:
i swear to god the whole IRGC runs by the Jews
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CENSOR A SITE THAT IS BASED ON ANTI_SEMETISM and hating on israeli dildo nose jews?!
that is a ((GOOD THING))
>>393292
>BLAH BLAH
you write too much and you care too much about what people say on the internet
that means you still have some dignity and hope to care to prove yourself for a random nigga on the internet
at this point i am just too depressed to give a fuck who is a good firend and who is a bad foe
life has been shit for all of us in iran
anyway
glad you're alive , and i don't care if you're basiji or npc or mossad or whatever the fuck you identify as
--
also you need to stop talking to that arabtard, that guy is a troll and he never posts in a good faith
Side note:
i swear to god the whole IRGC runs by the Jews
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CENSOR A SITE THAT IS BASED ON ANTI_SEMETISM and hating on israeli dildo nose jews?!
that is a ((GOOD THING))
>>393292
wow i made a mistake by actually reading that....
WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE??!?!?!?
the main character ass mentality syndrome
--
you are defending iran in a 4chan based site
by shit posting about israel
THAT IS NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING!! not for iran not against israel
--
let me honest with you
Iran is not Persia , stop with the delusional nationalism
see the bad sides
persia was that father that was like a veteran hero whom was respected by everyone in the family
Islamic republic of iran is that autistic child who is a total embarrassment for the whole family , a retarded guy who is hated by everyone
--
>>393291
welcome to mlpol , everyone are a jew shill until proven wrong (which never happens)
i am not a kafer , i born christian and i die as a christian
deal with it
i am not a nihilist , i just hate humanity as a whole
...
god you are sad and you are trying too much for idk for what reason and i am not sure what the fuck are you trying to prove here
wow i made a mistake by actually reading that....
WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE??!?!?!?
the main character ass mentality syndrome
--
you are defending iran in a 4chan based site
by shit posting about israel
THAT IS NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING!! not for iran not against israel
--
let me honest with you
Iran is not Persia , stop with the delusional nationalism
see the bad sides
persia was that father that was like a veteran hero whom was respected by everyone in the family
Islamic republic of iran is that autistic child who is a total embarrassment for the whole family , a retarded guy who is hated by everyone
--
>>393291
welcome to mlpol , everyone are a jew shill until proven wrong (which never happens)
i am not a kafer , i born christian and i die as a christian
deal with it
i am not a nihilist , i just hate humanity as a whole
...
god you are sad and you are trying too much for idk for what reason and i am not sure what the fuck are you trying to prove here
>>393322
>Yup, and he has already been pressuring Trump to "finish the job".
I don't think Trump is going to do it. If he were open to doing that he would have done it already, and not played around bombing the nuclear sites or brokering ceasefires.
>Well, he can take comfort in the fact that he can call himself a wartime President, setting himself up alongside Monroe, Polk, Lincoln, McKinley, Wilson, Roosevelt, Johnson, Reagan, and George W. Bush
Except the era of those assholes being popular has passed. There is no public appetite for war with Iran, despite what neocon warhawks claim.
>He moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, long in Bibi's wish-list because it affirms Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.
Yeah, I know. He's a Zionist shabbos goy. This has been clear for years.
Idk if that means he's about to enter total war with Iran though.
>Yup, and he has already been pressuring Trump to "finish the job".
I don't think Trump is going to do it. If he were open to doing that he would have done it already, and not played around bombing the nuclear sites or brokering ceasefires.
>Well, he can take comfort in the fact that he can call himself a wartime President, setting himself up alongside Monroe, Polk, Lincoln, McKinley, Wilson, Roosevelt, Johnson, Reagan, and George W. Bush
Except the era of those assholes being popular has passed. There is no public appetite for war with Iran, despite what neocon warhawks claim.
>He moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, long in Bibi's wish-list because it affirms Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.
Yeah, I know. He's a Zionist shabbos goy. This has been clear for years.
Idk if that means he's about to enter total war with Iran though.
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Iran’s Supreme Leader Threatens to Attack More U.S. Military Bases: “We Slapped America in the Face”
LOL, no. They lightly fondled our dick. If they're really feeling froggy, they could always, I dunno. TOUCH THE BOATS.
>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wnn-BpfRnPo
I refuse to be held responsible for the consequences that follow if they do, though.
LOL, no. They lightly fondled our dick. If they're really feeling froggy, they could always, I dunno. TOUCH THE BOATS.
>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wnn-BpfRnPo
I refuse to be held responsible for the consequences that follow if they do, though.
>>393327
it is just bluffing , don't worry , from the day i born i was hearing him saying that he will destroy israel and usa
--
did anyone here saw those AI khamenei speeches??
i don't have twitter so i cannot post the actual video but here it is with ass-mon reaction (sorry about that)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/iGGo32m9ocQ
it is just bluffing , don't worry , from the day i born i was hearing him saying that he will destroy israel and usa
--
did anyone here saw those AI khamenei speeches??
i don't have twitter so i cannot post the actual video but here it is with ass-mon reaction (sorry about that)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/iGGo32m9ocQ
>>393284
>Idiot! Who even asked for a lecture on arab culture for you to start copy-pasting the entire arab encyclopedia?!
3 lines of words about arabs isn't an entire encyclopedia you're just too retarded to comprehend it
>Let me explain something to you, maybe then you'll actually understand what this is about:
>I'm a Lur myself, and I spent the first 13 years of my life in Khuzestan, living among Lurs and Arabs. I've seen Arab culture firsthand, the festivals, the traditions, the community. I know enough about it, and unlike you, I actually respect the Arabs of Khuzestan.
>They have real honor, courage, and a warrior spirit, their culture means something.
People of khuzestan are part-persoid mutts in both ways of culture and dna which is probably why you don't bother them because they're almost as swarthy as your "people", not because they have real honor or whatever you're babbling about
>My whole point is: why don't you arabs know your own identity anymore?
>Why have you abandoned your deeper culture in other countries and started acting like losers?
We haven't abandoned anything, the identity and culture of buckbreaking iranians and their puppets is still here
Centuries ago the arab khalifs crushed your sasanian grandfathers like cockroaches and now whenever iran tries creating an organization or a movement in the gulf it ends up getting crushed too
>I don't know, maybe this kind of honor and dignity only still exists in Khuzestani Arabs…
Definitely not lol
>So don't go thinking you're talking to someone ignorant.
You are ignorant though
>I know plenty about you, and that's exactly why I'm shocked at how far you've fallen and how spineless you've become.
Living between khuzestani mystery meat doesn't mean you know anything about pure arabs
>And btw, I didn't attack you for no reason.
>You were the one who made a dumbass comment about Iranians first, so I simply had to show you just how stupid you really are.
My original comment about iranians is still true
>Maybe now you'll learn not to run your mouth with every worthless take that pops into your head.
Nope, still haven't convinced me about anything
>Well, finally! Maybe the arabs are starting to wise up a little and realize that some dreams are just too much of a fantasy for them.
The majority of arabs have always hated ba'athism
>Well shit, guess the arabs are still brain-dead.
>No surprise though, they seem perfectly fine getting fucked by Israel while just sitting there like pathetic little cowards, doing absolutely nothing.
The arabs that are getting fucked by israel currently are the ones who still haven't learned to not fuck with them first in a random and idiotic way, which are of course the same retarded iranian puppets (hamas and hezbuallah)
>That's an incredibly gay take.
>You arabs are no different from the UN: completely useless and passive.
>It's honestly ridiculous that this is the kind of response you come back to me with.
Sure, arab leaders are cucked and useless, all leaders of all countries are cucked and useless.
You should keep in my mind that i don't lean to any country or nationalist group and i hate all governments including mine because of religious reasons you're probably too retarded to understand, i should've said this before.
but i would still prefer pseudo-sunnis over iranians and their minions any day
>Yeah, the first part of your post is just you regurgitating my own damn words back at me. Nice job...
I was just showing you that i think that specific part of your post but in a way of showing that it's shameful or something, whatever you wouldn't care
>But moving on:
>You arabs seriously must have some chronic memory loss.
>Wasn't it Iran that sent forces when ISIS was busy raping half of your arab lands? Or did that little fact magically slip your mind too?
Mentioning ISIS and them "busy raping" arab armies is not the own you think it is, ISIS fucked up maliki's regime and alot of iranian-backed nusayris in syria, that's one of the few reasons why i advocate them and support them against all arab regimes
>Let me remind you:
>Groups like Hezbollah, the Houthis, and even a bunch of your so-called "freedom fighters" in Palestine were trained, armed, and backed by Iran.
>Because let's be real, without Iran holding your hand, you guys can't organize shit on your own.
And guess what happens to these groups? They always pathetically lose against kikes and get raped by US airstrikes, because YOU are the ones that can't organize shit and end up embarrassing yourselves
>And this idea that Iran is "afraid" of direct war with Israel?
>That's some next-level delusion.
>Iran would jump at the chance for a ground war, it would steamroll Israel with superior numbers, real soldiers, and actual battlefield grit.
But they do, southren lebanese areas (excluding the borders) are fully safe for iranians most of the time because it's protected by hezbuallatcucks, iran can literally just send their soldiers there using airforce equipments and have a real face to face ground war with israel but they don't because as i said, they're cowards
>It's Israel that's too much of a coward to face Iran...
Both countries are too cowardly to face eachother
>Iran could have treated them like animals...
They kind of already do sadly but not in a direct way
<iran sends guns and rockets to groups in gaza
<these groups start fighting israel with it
<gaza gets destroyed to ashes
<israel wins
<cycle repeats
This is actual animal treatment for palestinian people
>And yeah, I know Iran never really saw you as true allies in the end, because they knew the truth about you, that if you ever got power and stayed in it for a while, you'd drown in your own pride (like what happened to Assad).
C'mon now you know iran doesn't actually care about that, assad has drowned in his own pride since the moment he became president and as a result to that a revolution happened in his country and iran still backed him up
>Idiot! Who even asked for a lecture on arab culture for you to start copy-pasting the entire arab encyclopedia?!
3 lines of words about arabs isn't an entire encyclopedia you're just too retarded to comprehend it
>Let me explain something to you, maybe then you'll actually understand what this is about:
>I'm a Lur myself, and I spent the first 13 years of my life in Khuzestan, living among Lurs and Arabs. I've seen Arab culture firsthand, the festivals, the traditions, the community. I know enough about it, and unlike you, I actually respect the Arabs of Khuzestan.
>They have real honor, courage, and a warrior spirit, their culture means something.
People of khuzestan are part-persoid mutts in both ways of culture and dna which is probably why you don't bother them because they're almost as swarthy as your "people", not because they have real honor or whatever you're babbling about
>My whole point is: why don't you arabs know your own identity anymore?
>Why have you abandoned your deeper culture in other countries and started acting like losers?
We haven't abandoned anything, the identity and culture of buckbreaking iranians and their puppets is still here
Centuries ago the arab khalifs crushed your sasanian grandfathers like cockroaches and now whenever iran tries creating an organization or a movement in the gulf it ends up getting crushed too
>I don't know, maybe this kind of honor and dignity only still exists in Khuzestani Arabs…
Definitely not lol
>So don't go thinking you're talking to someone ignorant.
You are ignorant though
>I know plenty about you, and that's exactly why I'm shocked at how far you've fallen and how spineless you've become.
Living between khuzestani mystery meat doesn't mean you know anything about pure arabs
>And btw, I didn't attack you for no reason.
>You were the one who made a dumbass comment about Iranians first, so I simply had to show you just how stupid you really are.
My original comment about iranians is still true
>Maybe now you'll learn not to run your mouth with every worthless take that pops into your head.
Nope, still haven't convinced me about anything
>Well, finally! Maybe the arabs are starting to wise up a little and realize that some dreams are just too much of a fantasy for them.
The majority of arabs have always hated ba'athism
>Well shit, guess the arabs are still brain-dead.
>No surprise though, they seem perfectly fine getting fucked by Israel while just sitting there like pathetic little cowards, doing absolutely nothing.
The arabs that are getting fucked by israel currently are the ones who still haven't learned to not fuck with them first in a random and idiotic way, which are of course the same retarded iranian puppets (hamas and hezbuallah)
>That's an incredibly gay take.
>You arabs are no different from the UN: completely useless and passive.
>It's honestly ridiculous that this is the kind of response you come back to me with.
Sure, arab leaders are cucked and useless, all leaders of all countries are cucked and useless.
You should keep in my mind that i don't lean to any country or nationalist group and i hate all governments including mine because of religious reasons you're probably too retarded to understand, i should've said this before.
but i would still prefer pseudo-sunnis over iranians and their minions any day
>Yeah, the first part of your post is just you regurgitating my own damn words back at me. Nice job...
I was just showing you that i think that specific part of your post but in a way of showing that it's shameful or something, whatever you wouldn't care
>But moving on:
>You arabs seriously must have some chronic memory loss.
>Wasn't it Iran that sent forces when ISIS was busy raping half of your arab lands? Or did that little fact magically slip your mind too?
Mentioning ISIS and them "busy raping" arab armies is not the own you think it is, ISIS fucked up maliki's regime and alot of iranian-backed nusayris in syria, that's one of the few reasons why i advocate them and support them against all arab regimes
>Let me remind you:
>Groups like Hezbollah, the Houthis, and even a bunch of your so-called "freedom fighters" in Palestine were trained, armed, and backed by Iran.
>Because let's be real, without Iran holding your hand, you guys can't organize shit on your own.
And guess what happens to these groups? They always pathetically lose against kikes and get raped by US airstrikes, because YOU are the ones that can't organize shit and end up embarrassing yourselves
>And this idea that Iran is "afraid" of direct war with Israel?
>That's some next-level delusion.
>Iran would jump at the chance for a ground war, it would steamroll Israel with superior numbers, real soldiers, and actual battlefield grit.
But they do, southren lebanese areas (excluding the borders) are fully safe for iranians most of the time because it's protected by hezbuallatcucks, iran can literally just send their soldiers there using airforce equipments and have a real face to face ground war with israel but they don't because as i said, they're cowards
>It's Israel that's too much of a coward to face Iran...
Both countries are too cowardly to face eachother
>Iran could have treated them like animals...
They kind of already do sadly but not in a direct way
<iran sends guns and rockets to groups in gaza
<these groups start fighting israel with it
<gaza gets destroyed to ashes
<israel wins
<cycle repeats
This is actual animal treatment for palestinian people
>And yeah, I know Iran never really saw you as true allies in the end, because they knew the truth about you, that if you ever got power and stayed in it for a while, you'd drown in your own pride (like what happened to Assad).
C'mon now you know iran doesn't actually care about that, assad has drowned in his own pride since the moment he became president and as a result to that a revolution happened in his country and iran still backed him up
>And yes, Hamas has always had issues with Iran and never really acted like a genuine ally.
>But I'm not sure about that 99%.
>All those videos you see on arab media, are they really made by that 1 percent?
They kind of are made by that 1 percent yeah, (and of course i didn't genuinely mean 99%, just a large majority) keep in mind i was only talking about palestinians
>Because honestly, in most of them, I saw people supporting Iranians...
Opposite for me
>Yeah, but not nearly as much as you do! Even in this war(Iran-Israel) the regime had plenty of opposition groups, but about more 70% of them, when the fighting started, stood by their fellow countrymen instead of betraying them.
And the other 30% betrayed them? Idk man that sounds like a big enough percent to call you betrayers
>I have never seen a people truly face genocide while other same countries just turn a blind eye...
Well you haven't really seen throughout history then
>A backward arab doesn't get that this is a rhetorical question blah blah blah
Sure but still nope
>That minority who take almost all the money from your country...
Like who?
>I mean the ideals of pan-arabism, sunni ideology, arab spirit and independence, and basically everything that defines a true arab.
What you meant is nonsensical then, "sunni ideology" and pan-arabism don't match with eachother
>>393285
>>and now you think you're really in a good position?
This was a part of your post which i accidentally forgot to quote correctly ignore it
>Iran's got the balls, and damn good ones!
>Iran can just threaten to do something and totally mess with your oil prices, which is the backbone of your economy!
>It easily sends warnings to your arab countries, and you end up shutting down your biggest air routes, clearing the skies for Iran...
All threats and warnings by iran to arab countries are nothingburgers, either not actually doing shit or no type of harm actually serious or relevant enough to cause them to collapse
>And if you think all that was just a staged show, then Iran can make the U.S dance to its tune...
I don't nor do i care about the other things you mentioned about iran-US rivalry, i'm talking about arabs here.
but for a fact the US can wipe the shit out of you guys and you know it
>And if the day comes, Iran will also have the balls to actually close the strait of Hormuz...
I really bet on that
>And idiot! You didn't even get the main point!
I used that scenario to show how easily your country can fall apart, and you're all pure arabs with no foreign-backed opposition.
Even without foreign backed opposition iran still can't take on arab countries alone or have the balls to do so like i said
>Let's change the scenario if you dare:...
Lol what? We're arguing not playing a game you can't just replace the subject of the point you were trying to make like that, i'm not even gonna bother replying to this
>LoL! Your stupid politicians, just to suck up to him, would bend over and fuck him if they had to.
Sure but still don't care what he calls some ocean region by
>Idiot, more Iranians than that one percent rich arab elite live in luxury societies.
Source? Proof? Evidence?
>Btw, I'm a poly-eng student right now...
Doooon't care
>Also, I don't get why you arabs always want to compete and show off?
>Why do you always flaunt things you didn't even work for?
>Why are you so jealous and obsessed with money and luxury?
Everyone likes doing these things, you sound like a broke faggot coping and seething about people who have the capability to own luxurious stuff
>You even show off your dick like you're the only ones who have one! (yeah, you did that dumb shit in this very thread >>393047)!
Persoid sissy whining about his tiny clitty getting mogged by arab cock, sad, many such cases!
>Believe me, showing off your dick and luxury doesn't help you at all.
Never said it does
>Stop this gay ass behavior already
<t. Iranian
Insane levels of irony here (look at picrel)
>Something like the early islamic caliphates or even Assad's current regime had some degree of arab independence...
That shitty regime doesn't even come near islamic caliphates
>Running around in the open is really a stupid move. The chance of getting injured even in these pointless escapes to nowhere is pretty high.
How do you know they're running to nowhere? They're probably just trying to go to a safer place
>Btw, this was one of the videos I saw. There are plenty more that show you really have no clue about war.
I've seen a million videos that came from inside actual warfare, you're not as knowledgeable as you think you are compared to me
>You're complete cowards and don't even consider the fact that Iran could have attacked the american bases inside your territory...
Why would we only consider that? Iran could be attacking anyone
>I mean, do these idiots really think Iran is going to target a shopping mall or something, so they just randomly hit places like that???...
They did in fact target random places while air striking tel aviv, it's normal they would consider iran is doing the same thing while air striking other countries or cities
>I think you should go watch videos of Iranian people during the missile war and compare them to your own.
Not much different
>After all, there's a difference between
Aryans and Semites.
Indeed, aryans are just another random irrelevant race and semites were chosen by god to have all known prophets and religious figures
>I'm glad to see you have some logic, but have you considered that the only arab country that directly fought Iran (and that was when Iran was at its weakest) was Iraq?
Yes and it was a useless war
>No other arab country has had direct conflict with Iran since then.
Why would they?
>But I'm not sure about that 99%.
>All those videos you see on arab media, are they really made by that 1 percent?
They kind of are made by that 1 percent yeah, (and of course i didn't genuinely mean 99%, just a large majority) keep in mind i was only talking about palestinians
>Because honestly, in most of them, I saw people supporting Iranians...
Opposite for me
>Yeah, but not nearly as much as you do! Even in this war(Iran-Israel) the regime had plenty of opposition groups, but about more 70% of them, when the fighting started, stood by their fellow countrymen instead of betraying them.
And the other 30% betrayed them? Idk man that sounds like a big enough percent to call you betrayers
>I have never seen a people truly face genocide while other same countries just turn a blind eye...
Well you haven't really seen throughout history then
>A backward arab doesn't get that this is a rhetorical question blah blah blah
Sure but still nope
>That minority who take almost all the money from your country...
Like who?
>I mean the ideals of pan-arabism, sunni ideology, arab spirit and independence, and basically everything that defines a true arab.
What you meant is nonsensical then, "sunni ideology" and pan-arabism don't match with eachother
>>393285
>>and now you think you're really in a good position?
This was a part of your post which i accidentally forgot to quote correctly ignore it
>Iran's got the balls, and damn good ones!
>Iran can just threaten to do something and totally mess with your oil prices, which is the backbone of your economy!
>It easily sends warnings to your arab countries, and you end up shutting down your biggest air routes, clearing the skies for Iran...
All threats and warnings by iran to arab countries are nothingburgers, either not actually doing shit or no type of harm actually serious or relevant enough to cause them to collapse
>And if you think all that was just a staged show, then Iran can make the U.S dance to its tune...
I don't nor do i care about the other things you mentioned about iran-US rivalry, i'm talking about arabs here.
but for a fact the US can wipe the shit out of you guys and you know it
>And if the day comes, Iran will also have the balls to actually close the strait of Hormuz...
I really bet on that
>And idiot! You didn't even get the main point!
I used that scenario to show how easily your country can fall apart, and you're all pure arabs with no foreign-backed opposition.
Even without foreign backed opposition iran still can't take on arab countries alone or have the balls to do so like i said
>Let's change the scenario if you dare:...
Lol what? We're arguing not playing a game you can't just replace the subject of the point you were trying to make like that, i'm not even gonna bother replying to this
>LoL! Your stupid politicians, just to suck up to him, would bend over and fuck him if they had to.
Sure but still don't care what he calls some ocean region by
>Idiot, more Iranians than that one percent rich arab elite live in luxury societies.
Source? Proof? Evidence?
>Btw, I'm a poly-eng student right now...
Doooon't care
>Also, I don't get why you arabs always want to compete and show off?
>Why do you always flaunt things you didn't even work for?
>Why are you so jealous and obsessed with money and luxury?
Everyone likes doing these things, you sound like a broke faggot coping and seething about people who have the capability to own luxurious stuff
>You even show off your dick like you're the only ones who have one! (yeah, you did that dumb shit in this very thread >>393047)!
Persoid sissy whining about his tiny clitty getting mogged by arab cock, sad, many such cases!
>Believe me, showing off your dick and luxury doesn't help you at all.
Never said it does
>Stop this gay ass behavior already
<t. Iranian
Insane levels of irony here (look at picrel)
>Something like the early islamic caliphates or even Assad's current regime had some degree of arab independence...
That shitty regime doesn't even come near islamic caliphates
>Running around in the open is really a stupid move. The chance of getting injured even in these pointless escapes to nowhere is pretty high.
How do you know they're running to nowhere? They're probably just trying to go to a safer place
>Btw, this was one of the videos I saw. There are plenty more that show you really have no clue about war.
I've seen a million videos that came from inside actual warfare, you're not as knowledgeable as you think you are compared to me
>You're complete cowards and don't even consider the fact that Iran could have attacked the american bases inside your territory...
Why would we only consider that? Iran could be attacking anyone
>I mean, do these idiots really think Iran is going to target a shopping mall or something, so they just randomly hit places like that???...
They did in fact target random places while air striking tel aviv, it's normal they would consider iran is doing the same thing while air striking other countries or cities
>I think you should go watch videos of Iranian people during the missile war and compare them to your own.
Not much different
>After all, there's a difference between
Aryans and Semites.
Indeed, aryans are just another random irrelevant race and semites were chosen by god to have all known prophets and religious figures
>I'm glad to see you have some logic, but have you considered that the only arab country that directly fought Iran (and that was when Iran was at its weakest) was Iraq?
Yes and it was a useless war
>No other arab country has had direct conflict with Iran since then.
Why would they?
>If Saudi arabia or any other arab country acted like Saddam, you'd see that arabs wouldn't stand a chance against Iran, especially now that Iran has grown stronger, as you witnessed in the recent war.
Actually the recent war proved the opposite, just compare the casualties of iran to the casualties of israel since june 13 (look at picrel), it's a big embarrassment for iran
>Even though Iran entered your arab airspace, you couldn't do much about it.
The iranian missles that were sent to qatar ended up getting destroyed by air defense systems before reaching the targets, that's enough to be much of a doing about it
>I wish you had at least posted pictures of some of the poor neighborhoods in southern Tehran. As they say: "از این همه پیامبر، جرجیس را انتخاب کردید!" LoL!
"All of these prophets, chose george"
Wtf does this even mean? Is it some kind of unfunny iranian inside joke?
>The photo you sent is actually a part of the native and local areas of Mashhad (right near the shrine), which have all been endowed in the past.
Good for you guys ig but i still have other examples of slum shitholes in modren iran
>Even though the land there is very expensive, the local owners prefer to keep its poor-looking, non-materialistic appearance, something that's probably beyond the comprehension of you luxury-obsessed arabs.
So you people love to see your shitholes still looking like shitholes instead of improving it? Yikes, so backward, so primitive
>And again, you're doing the whole "one-upmanship" thing?
I'm just showing you how terrible the architecture of your people is before thinking you're that developed, that's it really
>I can also show photos of your poor neighborhoods (which happen to be quite numerous)!
>https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2019/12/23/vision-2030-and-poverty-in-saudi-arabia
These neighborhoods are called "العشوائيات", they're usually found in the western parts of the country where it's filled with non-arabs and it's already getting removed anyway lol, what a failure of an attempt to make a similar counter-argument
>And don't think slums or poor areas are anything unusual in the world.
I never thought that
>Why are you so obsessed with showing off luxury? Is it some kind of mental illness?
Why are you so obsessed with hating luxury? Is it some kind of iranian inferiority complex?
>Idiot! How the hell would something like Aramco(or better yet, "Americamco") survive without the U.S?
You do realize there are alot of foreign countries that participate in aramco other than america, right retard?
>Or let's forget that sanction scenario I mentioned earlier, if, hypothetically, the Americans just left your country and cut ties but didn't sanction you, could you honestly say you'd stay stable??!
Yes.
>Bilakh!
?
>>He has a genetic connection with the jews and, like them, is semitic.
Most modren jews (israelis) barely have any semitic blood
>>He's more money-hungry like the jews
Everyone is money-hungry in somewhat way, don't lie to yourself
>>He's arrogant like the jews
Yeah because i'm definitely the arrogant one here and not the iranian nationalist who thinks he's better than everyone, fuck off faggot
>>He uses his religion as a tool and changed it, just like the jews
Literally how, elaborate
><But the dumb arab thinks Aryan Iranians are like the jews
You absolutely are
>Bro, with your nonsense, you just shook Cyrus' grave on vibrate mode!
Your jokes aren't funny
>I think I get what's really bothering you. You're just a jealous sunni arab.
<point out the similarities between you and kikes
<"YOU'RE JUST A HECKIN JEALOUS ARAB!!!"
Do you even know what jealous means or do you just throw that word around whenever someone disagrees with you
>First of all, please don't start that stupid shia-sunni debate here(others can't understand it here).
Why do you care if others understand what we're talking about? This is a personal conversation between us two
>I'm neither an expert nor do I have the patience to argue with a brain-dead arab like you about it. Just know this: I have watched plenty of debates between shias and sunnis, and in every one of them, sunni arguments never convinced me as much as the shia ones. Also, I read your Sahih al-bukhari, a book full of drama, contradictions, and stories so unrealistic it turns into a comedy! Honestly, if you sold it as a comedy book, it would probably sell better.
I don't give a single fuck about what some polytheist on mlpol thinks about my religious beliefs, but go on
>And about "Greater Israel" and all that, why does that remind me of someone else... Ah! You arabs! You who attacked other nations with Trojan-horse islam and still keep doing it, you behave exactly like the jews, only they're a bit smarter at it than you are.
Islamic arab conquests were based, freed the middle east from false religions, and actually did happen, the idea of "greater israel" isn't based, believes in the implementing of an expanding of a state based on a false religion, and most likely would never happen because of how much of a non-realistic concept it is, there is absolutely no connection between those two.
>And about Iran, yes! The Persian empire and greater Iran are nothing bad. Unlike pan-arabism and greater Israel fantasies, greater Iran really existed and isn't just some sweet dream.
Your pagan empire was wiped off the map by arabs 1400 years ago, you should probably worry more about zog missles hitting your home for now instead of hyperfixating about an extinct empire
>Iran was great in history, and greater Iran is forming right now, not just under this regime but by the Iranians themselves. Even if the regime changes, the army and irgc won't just vanish overnight. (Of course, this war delayed the regime's fall by a few years.)
And greater iran is forming right now??? Holy shit please tell me you're just pretending retarded ironically, You can't be this delusional, your puppet state in syria got overthrown last year and you just embarrassed yourself in this recent war
Actually the recent war proved the opposite, just compare the casualties of iran to the casualties of israel since june 13 (look at picrel), it's a big embarrassment for iran
>Even though Iran entered your arab airspace, you couldn't do much about it.
The iranian missles that were sent to qatar ended up getting destroyed by air defense systems before reaching the targets, that's enough to be much of a doing about it
>I wish you had at least posted pictures of some of the poor neighborhoods in southern Tehran. As they say: "از این همه پیامبر، جرجیس را انتخاب کردید!" LoL!
"All of these prophets, chose george"
Wtf does this even mean? Is it some kind of unfunny iranian inside joke?
>The photo you sent is actually a part of the native and local areas of Mashhad (right near the shrine), which have all been endowed in the past.
Good for you guys ig but i still have other examples of slum shitholes in modren iran
>Even though the land there is very expensive, the local owners prefer to keep its poor-looking, non-materialistic appearance, something that's probably beyond the comprehension of you luxury-obsessed arabs.
So you people love to see your shitholes still looking like shitholes instead of improving it? Yikes, so backward, so primitive
>And again, you're doing the whole "one-upmanship" thing?
I'm just showing you how terrible the architecture of your people is before thinking you're that developed, that's it really
>I can also show photos of your poor neighborhoods (which happen to be quite numerous)!
>https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2019/12/23/vision-2030-and-poverty-in-saudi-arabia
These neighborhoods are called "العشوائيات", they're usually found in the western parts of the country where it's filled with non-arabs and it's already getting removed anyway lol, what a failure of an attempt to make a similar counter-argument
>And don't think slums or poor areas are anything unusual in the world.
I never thought that
>Why are you so obsessed with showing off luxury? Is it some kind of mental illness?
Why are you so obsessed with hating luxury? Is it some kind of iranian inferiority complex?
>Idiot! How the hell would something like Aramco(or better yet, "Americamco") survive without the U.S?
You do realize there are alot of foreign countries that participate in aramco other than america, right retard?
>Or let's forget that sanction scenario I mentioned earlier, if, hypothetically, the Americans just left your country and cut ties but didn't sanction you, could you honestly say you'd stay stable??!
Yes.
>Bilakh!
?
>>He has a genetic connection with the jews and, like them, is semitic.
Most modren jews (israelis) barely have any semitic blood
>>He's more money-hungry like the jews
Everyone is money-hungry in somewhat way, don't lie to yourself
>>He's arrogant like the jews
Yeah because i'm definitely the arrogant one here and not the iranian nationalist who thinks he's better than everyone, fuck off faggot
>>He uses his religion as a tool and changed it, just like the jews
Literally how, elaborate
><But the dumb arab thinks Aryan Iranians are like the jews
You absolutely are
>Bro, with your nonsense, you just shook Cyrus' grave on vibrate mode!
Your jokes aren't funny
>I think I get what's really bothering you. You're just a jealous sunni arab.
<point out the similarities between you and kikes
<"YOU'RE JUST A HECKIN JEALOUS ARAB!!!"
Do you even know what jealous means or do you just throw that word around whenever someone disagrees with you
>First of all, please don't start that stupid shia-sunni debate here(others can't understand it here).
Why do you care if others understand what we're talking about? This is a personal conversation between us two
>I'm neither an expert nor do I have the patience to argue with a brain-dead arab like you about it. Just know this: I have watched plenty of debates between shias and sunnis, and in every one of them, sunni arguments never convinced me as much as the shia ones. Also, I read your Sahih al-bukhari, a book full of drama, contradictions, and stories so unrealistic it turns into a comedy! Honestly, if you sold it as a comedy book, it would probably sell better.
I don't give a single fuck about what some polytheist on mlpol thinks about my religious beliefs, but go on
>And about "Greater Israel" and all that, why does that remind me of someone else... Ah! You arabs! You who attacked other nations with Trojan-horse islam and still keep doing it, you behave exactly like the jews, only they're a bit smarter at it than you are.
Islamic arab conquests were based, freed the middle east from false religions, and actually did happen, the idea of "greater israel" isn't based, believes in the implementing of an expanding of a state based on a false religion, and most likely would never happen because of how much of a non-realistic concept it is, there is absolutely no connection between those two.
>And about Iran, yes! The Persian empire and greater Iran are nothing bad. Unlike pan-arabism and greater Israel fantasies, greater Iran really existed and isn't just some sweet dream.
Your pagan empire was wiped off the map by arabs 1400 years ago, you should probably worry more about zog missles hitting your home for now instead of hyperfixating about an extinct empire
>Iran was great in history, and greater Iran is forming right now, not just under this regime but by the Iranians themselves. Even if the regime changes, the army and irgc won't just vanish overnight. (Of course, this war delayed the regime's fall by a few years.)
And greater iran is forming right now??? Holy shit please tell me you're just pretending retarded ironically, You can't be this delusional, your puppet state in syria got overthrown last year and you just embarrassed yourself in this recent war
-if anything iran's regime is getting closer to it's end
>That's exactly what you sunni arabs are worried about, because to build your own Islamic empire, you need Iran! Without Iran, you're stuck where you are.
Just a correction: *to build your own islamic empire, you need to condemn iran, with iran, your situation gets worse*
Iran stepping into arab problems always resulted nothing but iran wasting their money on military back-up just for their side to lose
>I have seen how hard you arabs try to tie this to Iranians being shia and say that if Iranians accepted sunni thought and joined the "Ummah", they would advance. Meanwhile, they're advancing anyway...
Advancing in failures maybe
>(you saw how different Iran is now compared to the Iran-Iraq war era)
Iraq successfully did a counter a offensive by the end of that war so idk what the goal you're trying to accomplish by mentioning it over and over again as if it's something to be proud of
>But you want to pull Iranians to your side so you can advance. Dream on!
Good, we don't need you
>Also, sunni worldview and their belief in the Messiah is more like the jews, while shias think more like christians. Islam came after christianity, so logically sunni beliefs should be closer to christianity than judaism, but clearly, you sunnis behave more like jews ideologically and worldview-wise, unlike the shias.
Judaism also came before christcuckoldy retard, what's your point?
>Could it mean sunni islam has gone astray and degenerated by jews? Just a theory...
A false theory yes
>And finally, you idiot! Why do you think just because Iranians and jews both seek glory...
The similarities between iranians and jews (which i already mentioned) have nothing to do with glory, it's disgraceful
>You sound a lot like a kike.
Projection
Well, when people hate you, and even after they get to know you, they still hate you (most hatred usually comes from ignorance) that kind of shows the problem is actually you.
People hate me because i'm right, they're the ignorants
>Look in the mirror and ask yourself: why?
Ask yourself why god chose you to be born as disgusting subhumanish filth
Yeah, yeah! Surely you're absolutely fucking right!
The so-called "Golden Age of Islam" wasn't basically one of those hellholes built by Iranians, and arabs? Yeah, they definitely don't want to stick themselves to that story or steal the credit! (Bilakh!)
The golden age of islam was built by all various races of sunni muslims
>And when your ancestors invaded Iran, they sure didn't see the Persian paradises (the famous Persian gardens, aka Iranian hellholes) and say, "Hey, these gardens must be the paradise promised in the Quran!" (And of course, those hellholes weren't beautiful at all, not to the extent that their Persian name "Paradis" ended up becoming the very word for paradises in so many languages!)
All this just for modren iran to be filled with ugly slums kek
>Almost all your arab regimes in past hadn't Iranian ministers and politicians controlling you, and you weren't actually living in the hellholes the Iranians made for you!
Yes, indeed almost all arab regimes in the past never had iranian ministers or politicians controlling the country and iranians didn't make our countries for us
>Let me give you a personal example for now:
>When we went to visit, we were surprised to see a lot of arabs in the waiting rooms and treatment wards! After talking to them, it turned out many arabs travel to Iran for cheaper and better healthcare services...
Wow arabs arabs from poor countries come to foreign countries for better services, who could've guessed Let me tell you something, i once were at saudi hospitals and just like you, i've seen alot of foreignes, but i don't bring that information up randomly and use it as a way to cope with the fact that i live in a hellhole, cheap and proper quality healthcare isn't special, even cuba has that, anyway, moving on
><Becoming an American colony,
And of course by "american colony" you mean not cucking themselves out for iran
>building a few more damn palaces for the rich,
The rich build palaces for themselves
>filling the country with whores and bitches,
Your women dream they can even be nearly as modest as ours
>killing migrant workers for a ridiculous project like NEOM
Of course the persoid feels bad for his jeet brothers who die working for their arab masters
>(which despite having astronomical budgets and no sanctions, isn’t progressing as planned),
Yeah mbs is slow at doing stuff, but it will happen, TRVST THE PLAN
>being unable to eradicate poverty and organized class disparity
Don't pretend like your shithole can do that either
>exploiting your own compatriots in the worst possible ways
Saudi arabia is serving it's compatriots best than anyone right now
>(something we wouldn't even do to our enemies)
Funny because you even do it to your own allies
>and failing to hide all your actions (like Khashoggi),
Khashoggi deserved it and we're not trying to "hide" his case we just don't care
>financially supporting terrorist groups and suffering
Literally never happened ever
>losses from them yourselves, and so on...
Losses from what???
>Yes, surely we Iranians cannot perform this much stupidity and passivity all at once...
You guys mastered it
>Ha! And then your own governments were controlled and eventually overthrown by Iranians!
What governments?
>In fact, you pointed your dick at Iran, but Iran shackled that ugly dick of yours and tamed and controlled you.
We pointed our dick at iran and they sucked it
>The fact that you think you raped shows how empty and useless your mind really is.
Cope, we raped the sasanians and we will do it again with modren iranians
Anyway, i only qouted necessary stuff to be responded to, that's all
>That's exactly what you sunni arabs are worried about, because to build your own Islamic empire, you need Iran! Without Iran, you're stuck where you are.
Just a correction: *to build your own islamic empire, you need to condemn iran, with iran, your situation gets worse*
Iran stepping into arab problems always resulted nothing but iran wasting their money on military back-up just for their side to lose
>I have seen how hard you arabs try to tie this to Iranians being shia and say that if Iranians accepted sunni thought and joined the "Ummah", they would advance. Meanwhile, they're advancing anyway...
Advancing in failures maybe
>(you saw how different Iran is now compared to the Iran-Iraq war era)
Iraq successfully did a counter a offensive by the end of that war so idk what the goal you're trying to accomplish by mentioning it over and over again as if it's something to be proud of
>But you want to pull Iranians to your side so you can advance. Dream on!
Good, we don't need you
>Also, sunni worldview and their belief in the Messiah is more like the jews, while shias think more like christians. Islam came after christianity, so logically sunni beliefs should be closer to christianity than judaism, but clearly, you sunnis behave more like jews ideologically and worldview-wise, unlike the shias.
Judaism also came before christcuckoldy retard, what's your point?
>Could it mean sunni islam has gone astray and degenerated by jews? Just a theory...
A false theory yes
>And finally, you idiot! Why do you think just because Iranians and jews both seek glory...
The similarities between iranians and jews (which i already mentioned) have nothing to do with glory, it's disgraceful
>You sound a lot like a kike.
Projection
Well, when people hate you, and even after they get to know you, they still hate you (most hatred usually comes from ignorance) that kind of shows the problem is actually you.
People hate me because i'm right, they're the ignorants
>Look in the mirror and ask yourself: why?
Ask yourself why god chose you to be born as disgusting subhumanish filth
Yeah, yeah! Surely you're absolutely fucking right!
The so-called "Golden Age of Islam" wasn't basically one of those hellholes built by Iranians, and arabs? Yeah, they definitely don't want to stick themselves to that story or steal the credit! (Bilakh!)
The golden age of islam was built by all various races of sunni muslims
>And when your ancestors invaded Iran, they sure didn't see the Persian paradises (the famous Persian gardens, aka Iranian hellholes) and say, "Hey, these gardens must be the paradise promised in the Quran!" (And of course, those hellholes weren't beautiful at all, not to the extent that their Persian name "Paradis" ended up becoming the very word for paradises in so many languages!)
All this just for modren iran to be filled with ugly slums kek
>Almost all your arab regimes in past hadn't Iranian ministers and politicians controlling you, and you weren't actually living in the hellholes the Iranians made for you!
Yes, indeed almost all arab regimes in the past never had iranian ministers or politicians controlling the country and iranians didn't make our countries for us
>Let me give you a personal example for now:
>When we went to visit, we were surprised to see a lot of arabs in the waiting rooms and treatment wards! After talking to them, it turned out many arabs travel to Iran for cheaper and better healthcare services...
Wow arabs arabs from poor countries come to foreign countries for better services, who could've guessed Let me tell you something, i once were at saudi hospitals and just like you, i've seen alot of foreignes, but i don't bring that information up randomly and use it as a way to cope with the fact that i live in a hellhole, cheap and proper quality healthcare isn't special, even cuba has that, anyway, moving on
><Becoming an American colony,
And of course by "american colony" you mean not cucking themselves out for iran
>building a few more damn palaces for the rich,
The rich build palaces for themselves
>filling the country with whores and bitches,
Your women dream they can even be nearly as modest as ours
>killing migrant workers for a ridiculous project like NEOM
Of course the persoid feels bad for his jeet brothers who die working for their arab masters
>(which despite having astronomical budgets and no sanctions, isn’t progressing as planned),
Yeah mbs is slow at doing stuff, but it will happen, TRVST THE PLAN
>being unable to eradicate poverty and organized class disparity
Don't pretend like your shithole can do that either
>exploiting your own compatriots in the worst possible ways
Saudi arabia is serving it's compatriots best than anyone right now
>(something we wouldn't even do to our enemies)
Funny because you even do it to your own allies
>and failing to hide all your actions (like Khashoggi),
Khashoggi deserved it and we're not trying to "hide" his case we just don't care
>financially supporting terrorist groups and suffering
Literally never happened ever
>losses from them yourselves, and so on...
Losses from what???
>Yes, surely we Iranians cannot perform this much stupidity and passivity all at once...
You guys mastered it
>Ha! And then your own governments were controlled and eventually overthrown by Iranians!
What governments?
>In fact, you pointed your dick at Iran, but Iran shackled that ugly dick of yours and tamed and controlled you.
We pointed our dick at iran and they sucked it
>The fact that you think you raped shows how empty and useless your mind really is.
Cope, we raped the sasanians and we will do it again with modren iranians
Anyway, i only qouted necessary stuff to be responded to, that's all
>>393333
Again, qouting mistakes
Whatever, to the guy i was replying to if you're reading this just take it as an alarm and try noticing the qouting mistakes and not confuse it with my actual words
Again, qouting mistakes
Whatever, to the guy i was replying to if you're reading this just take it as an alarm and try noticing the qouting mistakes and not confuse it with my actual words
>>393336
brother , seriously stop with the keyboard warrior bullshitism
also who cares?????
I don't like faggots but i definitely hate child marrying pedo (you)
i do believe that is worse
brother , seriously stop with the keyboard warrior bullshitism
also who cares?????
I don't like faggots but i definitely hate child marrying pedo (you)
i do believe that is worse
>>393337
Fuck off you don't tell me what i should do on the internet
Also if you hate child marriage you're a brainwashed npc unironically
Fuck off you don't tell me what i should do on the internet
Also if you hate child marriage you're a brainwashed npc unironically
>>393338
>you don't tell me what i should do on the internet
i am just saying that it is embarrassing and sad (it does not comes from racism , you are just making a fool out of yourself)
>Also if you hate child marriage you're a brainwashed npc unironically
this post is approved by Diddy and Drake
>you don't tell me what i should do on the internet
i am just saying that it is embarrassing and sad (it does not comes from racism , you are just making a fool out of yourself)
>Also if you hate child marriage you're a brainwashed npc unironically
this post is approved by Diddy and Drake
The entire stretch of land between egypt and india is just full of crazies, I guess.
>>393340
It's not sad or embarrassing it's just a casual imageboard conversation, if that amount of words is too much for your braindead ass to comprehend then go back to tiktok or something
It's not sad or embarrassing it's just a casual imageboard conversation, if that amount of words is too much for your braindead ass to comprehend then go back to tiktok or something
>>393339
>you're a hypocrite
i know , i know...(sigh)... FUCK!
>>393342
this is my theory:
1) during cold war USA needed islamic irrationals to get in power in middle east because of communism growth
commies are against religions so it would be natural for islamist to not accept them
that is why governments in iran and afghanistan suddenly changed
first thing iran did after islami revolution was to mass execute commies and marxist in iran.
also islamic radicals help to make oil countries to be always chaotic or atleast the whole middle east
cause oil countries can become rich super fast
2) about israel
i think israel created to be the first defense system for europe
after it existence , ,they fastly give it atomic bombs and advance warfare
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>The entire stretch of land between egypt and india is just full of crazies
anyway , you saying that with a us flag while not realizing that USA always was involved in a war from the very beginning
war with native americans
American revolution/Patriotic wars
Civil war
WW1 and WW2
Cold war (vietnam and cuba)
iraq and afghanistan
(waiting for more sequels)
i don't think anyone in this planet is sane
>>393343
no u
>you're a hypocrite
i know , i know...(sigh)... FUCK!
>>393342
this is my theory:
1) during cold war USA needed islamic irrationals to get in power in middle east because of communism growth
commies are against religions so it would be natural for islamist to not accept them
that is why governments in iran and afghanistan suddenly changed
first thing iran did after islami revolution was to mass execute commies and marxist in iran.
also islamic radicals help to make oil countries to be always chaotic or atleast the whole middle east
cause oil countries can become rich super fast
2) about israel
i think israel created to be the first defense system for europe
after it existence , ,they fastly give it atomic bombs and advance warfare
--
>The entire stretch of land between egypt and india is just full of crazies
anyway , you saying that with a us flag while not realizing that USA always was involved in a war from the very beginning
war with native americans
American revolution/Patriotic wars
Civil war
WW1 and WW2
Cold war (vietnam and cuba)
iraq and afghanistan
(waiting for more sequels)
i don't think anyone in this planet is sane
>>393343
no u
>>393344
(1)
Sorta close.The Iranian Islamic Revolution happened in 1979 because theShah of Iran (propped up by America) took a trip and his government was overthrown on his absence. American hostages were seized and held for over a year to prevent the USA from taking military action.
Afghanistan went down the way it did because the USSR invaded Afghanistan, and certain elements in the United States saw a chance to give the Russians a black eye by supplying them with advanced weaponry and training. Then when Russia finally got sick of wasting blood and treasure and left Afghanistan, the Mujahideen freedom fighters said, "Hey thanks America, we could not have done it without you. How about helping us rebuild, the country's kind of a mess after all that," and the American government just laughed and turned off the money hose. SO radical elements took over and became the Taliban, and the Mujahideen became the core of Al Qaeda.
We create our own demons. This is why identity politics are the worst, they lead to (proxy) wars of ideology with no thought given to consequences.
(2)
Israel. Don't look at us, the UK created that mess in 1947. America just supported it because "muh Judeo-Christian friendship" (there are still more Jews in America than there are in Israel). You can thank Donald Reagan and the so-called "moral majority" for fanning those flames in the 1980s. Yet again, identity and ideology lead to drama and devastation.
(1)
Sorta close.The Iranian Islamic Revolution happened in 1979 because theShah of Iran (propped up by America) took a trip and his government was overthrown on his absence. American hostages were seized and held for over a year to prevent the USA from taking military action.
Afghanistan went down the way it did because the USSR invaded Afghanistan, and certain elements in the United States saw a chance to give the Russians a black eye by supplying them with advanced weaponry and training. Then when Russia finally got sick of wasting blood and treasure and left Afghanistan, the Mujahideen freedom fighters said, "Hey thanks America, we could not have done it without you. How about helping us rebuild, the country's kind of a mess after all that," and the American government just laughed and turned off the money hose. SO radical elements took over and became the Taliban, and the Mujahideen became the core of Al Qaeda.
We create our own demons. This is why identity politics are the worst, they lead to (proxy) wars of ideology with no thought given to consequences.
(2)
Israel. Don't look at us, the UK created that mess in 1947. America just supported it because "muh Judeo-Christian friendship" (there are still more Jews in America than there are in Israel). You can thank Donald Reagan and the so-called "moral majority" for fanning those flames in the 1980s. Yet again, identity and ideology lead to drama and devastation.
>>393345
<exaclty thanks for understanding
i think nowadays that the same strategy does not needed anymore
most arab countries at least the big ones developed friendship with america (mostly after "arabian spring")
i guess ameica is tired of islami terrorists
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about israel , i think they - specially nethanyahoo's zahoonist party- do need a fake ass big bad bully count dracula to terrorize their citizen , they don't want to get rid of khamenei yet , if it disapears israelis have no reason to vote for him anymore
Islamic republic scared the whole arabic countries in the way that most of them sided with israel
>UK did it
yeah i think US needs to stop listening to UK's plan
side note:
i don't know if it is true or not but
i heard that in UK's blue book - a book about what britz did in WW2
they unironically aided natzi germany in believe that they will stop USSR from growing in Europe
...well we saw how that bite them in the ass later
<exaclty thanks for understanding
i think nowadays that the same strategy does not needed anymore
most arab countries at least the big ones developed friendship with america (mostly after "arabian spring")
i guess ameica is tired of islami terrorists
--
about israel , i think they - specially nethanyahoo's zahoonist party- do need a fake ass big bad bully count dracula to terrorize their citizen , they don't want to get rid of khamenei yet , if it disapears israelis have no reason to vote for him anymore
Islamic republic scared the whole arabic countries in the way that most of them sided with israel
>UK did it
yeah i think US needs to stop listening to UK's plan
side note:
i don't know if it is true or not but
i heard that in UK's blue book - a book about what britz did in WW2
they unironically aided natzi germany in believe that they will stop USSR from growing in Europe
...well we saw how that bite them in the ass later
>>393347
>they unironically aided natzi germany in believe that they will stop USSR from growing in Europe
Yes, this was how the policy of "appeasement" got started. The thinking was, "If we just let Hitler do his thing for a while he'll be satisfied and his little empire will be a good buffer against Bolshevism".
Of course, classic hubris, Hitler decides it's not enough and he needs more resources (especially petroleum) to keep up his blitzkrieg, so he invaded everyone in Europe.
The United States probably would not have even gotten involved in WWII, but then Pearl Harbor happened (basically just Japan saying, "The Western Pacific is our turf, stay out of it and sell us oil") and lo and behold, a country that was born in war and defines its history by warfare suddenly got war fever and the shit hit the fan.
America was aggressively uninterested in what was going on in the Middle East, so long as the oil kept flowing. But then OPEC decided to throw its weight around in 1973 (The Arab Oil Embargo) which taught America how vulnerable its economy was to resource manipulation, and so the U.S. government got a lot more interested in meddling in the Middle East after that.
>they unironically aided natzi germany in believe that they will stop USSR from growing in Europe
Yes, this was how the policy of "appeasement" got started. The thinking was, "If we just let Hitler do his thing for a while he'll be satisfied and his little empire will be a good buffer against Bolshevism".
Of course, classic hubris, Hitler decides it's not enough and he needs more resources (especially petroleum) to keep up his blitzkrieg, so he invaded everyone in Europe.
The United States probably would not have even gotten involved in WWII, but then Pearl Harbor happened (basically just Japan saying, "The Western Pacific is our turf, stay out of it and sell us oil") and lo and behold, a country that was born in war and defines its history by warfare suddenly got war fever and the shit hit the fan.
America was aggressively uninterested in what was going on in the Middle East, so long as the oil kept flowing. But then OPEC decided to throw its weight around in 1973 (The Arab Oil Embargo) which taught America how vulnerable its economy was to resource manipulation, and so the U.S. government got a lot more interested in meddling in the Middle East after that.
>>393349
Ironically the aftermath of WWII led to an expansion of Bolshevism (the Iron Curtain), so yeah, that worked out really well, didn't it.
Ironically the aftermath of WWII led to an expansion of Bolshevism (the Iron Curtain), so yeah, that worked out really well, didn't it.
>>393349
yeah!
other than what you mentioned
hitler was a ww1 vet who came back to his country and when he was what they did to his his country (harsh dept and sanctions and military restrictment) angered him so much , so no matter what happens he would take revenge from europe
so helping him never was a good idea for the west of europe
--
Anyway talking about fuhrer
i found this video two weeks ago about translating
HOLY SHIT how right he was and how his prophecy about jews came true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2R2Xeo8HX8
yeah!
other than what you mentioned
hitler was a ww1 vet who came back to his country and when he was what they did to his his country (harsh dept and sanctions and military restrictment) angered him so much , so no matter what happens he would take revenge from europe
so helping him never was a good idea for the west of europe
--
Anyway talking about fuhrer
i found this video two weeks ago about translating
HOLY SHIT how right he was and how his prophecy about jews came true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2R2Xeo8HX8
>>393351
Yep, he definitely had a major grudge against western Europe for WWI, especially France and England. That's why when France surrendered in 1940, he forced them to sign the instrument of armistice in the same railway car that the allies made Germany sign the Armistice of 1918 in. He had a real hateboner for France.
Yep, he definitely had a major grudge against western Europe for WWI, especially France and England. That's why when France surrendered in 1940, he forced them to sign the instrument of armistice in the same railway car that the allies made Germany sign the Armistice of 1918 in. He had a real hateboner for France.
>>393352
damn i wished that he also ordered to change the french language and their accent as well , that would be better than curing cancer
--
also i wish that japan would not be an idiot to attack USA
if US never got involved , germany might have won in Europe
damn i wished that he also ordered to change the french language and their accent as well , that would be better than curing cancer
--
also i wish that japan would not be an idiot to attack USA
if US never got involved , germany might have won in Europe
>>393353
The USA was bound to get involved eventually, isolationist sentiments notwithstanding, as America was one of the allies that defeated Germany in WWI, so the United States was also on HItler's Revenge List for sure.
The USA was bound to get involved eventually, isolationist sentiments notwithstanding, as America was one of the allies that defeated Germany in WWI, so the United States was also on HItler's Revenge List for sure.
>>393351
I gotta admit, though, it's tough to take that video seriously when the AI translation sounds like a monumentally pissed-off Eric Idle, and the subtitles have errors in them.
I gotta admit, though, it's tough to take that video seriously when the AI translation sounds like a monumentally pissed-off Eric Idle, and the subtitles have errors in them.
>>393355
i mean still it is kinda cool to hear his voice in english
I guess i just wait till AI gets even better at it
also it is good that now average normie can hear his preaches
--
No one ever called him a liar once
--
Anyway i need sleep and i won't bother you no more Anon
stay safe and take care , i wish luck and peace upon everyone here
i mean still it is kinda cool to hear his voice in english
I guess i just wait till AI gets even better at it
also it is good that now average normie can hear his preaches
--
No one ever called him a liar once
--
Anyway i need sleep and i won't bother you no more Anon
stay safe and take care , i wish luck and peace upon everyone here
>>393326
Bibi has quite the leverage over Trump, apparently.
>https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyxg272nlyo
Bibi has quite the leverage over Trump, apparently.
>https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyxg272nlyo
>>393359
I think Trump is anxious to avoid being mired in another Middle East conflict with no exit plan, particularly since that was a big campaign promise for him. But to be telling Israel's government that they should drop the Netanyahu corruption prosecution? Seriously? What next, he's going to call upon the ICC to rescind its arrest warrant for Netanyahu as well?
I think Trump is anxious to avoid being mired in another Middle East conflict with no exit plan, particularly since that was a big campaign promise for him. But to be telling Israel's government that they should drop the Netanyahu corruption prosecution? Seriously? What next, he's going to call upon the ICC to rescind its arrest warrant for Netanyahu as well?
>>393289
>I’m not a military expert, but I'm curious: if Iran were to decide to close the strait of Hormuz, how exactly would it go about doing it?
>Would it be done selectively? For example, would chinese ships be allowed to pass?
Iran has strongest naval denial capabilities in region, but actually any nation in region has this capabilities from now. Major threat for tankers is subsurface kamikaze-drones and miners. Cheap and easy to replace, hard to detect, hard to stop, need expensive and long-building infrastructure to protect route against them. Ukrainians uses Starlink to control them, but underwater drones can be autonomous (ship classification is trivial) or controlled by fiber optic cord. We started to use naval convoys for tankers in Black Sea and Baltic because of this threat, but tankers still extremely vulnerable. They are not attacked daily just because of agreement.
United States, China and Iran has similar kind of agreement for a many decades. Do not attack tankers, since any side can do this on major routes. And if faction like ISIS appeared and will try to make funds through piracy and blackmailing of insurance companies, all nations of agreement will erase this bastards together. But currently this agreement much more beneficial for China than for USA. This is why Trump started trade war and trying to take his share of profit through tariffs, but currently USA presence in the Middle East degrading, as well as diplomatic authority and capacity to project force by fleet. If USA leaves bases, China just replaced them. If USA decided to stay there, China may try to attack bases through proxy factions during next steps of escalation. Trump has two choices: change agreement to save at least some part of influence, or unleash major war in region to stop most of oil trade for next decade and hurt enemy more than itself (and he uses this strategy very often in war with globalists). But USA can't stuck in another Gulf war with own forces and can't allow existential threat to Israel at same time. Currently Trump's party trying to change agreement through this strange buffoonery of war. But they are ready to escalation.
I do not think that any selectivity is possible. If Iran close the Strait of Hormuz for unfriendly nations, the EU and US will be furious and just stops all ships by own forces. But USA can't make first step and close strait with own fleet and drones. All Trump's politics about image, he can't threaten chinese tankers directly or bomb american oil kikes property. So, he just provoke Iran, and each following provocation stronger than previous. One of my friends noticed, that for one of Nimitz–class carriers, which directed to Persian Gulf, this is last voyage. They scheduled replacement for 2026 year. Another Liberty-level happening possible.
Maybe China give in and sign new agreement to buy more time. Maybe USA give in and just focus on own problems. But if Trump really has serious situation inside country, then he will use any opportunity to unleash chaos in Persian Gulf and hurt China's major oil route when it still possible. Finally, Iran and Israel have own existential goals.
>I think Iran and china have made some plans for such a scenario, but until something actually happens, we can't say anything definitive.
Definitely. Persian Gulf extremely precious for China at least for next 20-30 years. They are trying to replace cars to electric ones, they ramp up their metallurgy only to extract more lithium and rare elements for accumulators and magnets, they cover deserts with solar panels, but oil requirement still overwhelming high. I don't know much about their current strategy. Usually under strong pressure they took a step back on major front, but two steps forward on another one.
>I’m not a military expert, but I'm curious: if Iran were to decide to close the strait of Hormuz, how exactly would it go about doing it?
>Would it be done selectively? For example, would chinese ships be allowed to pass?
Iran has strongest naval denial capabilities in region, but actually any nation in region has this capabilities from now. Major threat for tankers is subsurface kamikaze-drones and miners. Cheap and easy to replace, hard to detect, hard to stop, need expensive and long-building infrastructure to protect route against them. Ukrainians uses Starlink to control them, but underwater drones can be autonomous (ship classification is trivial) or controlled by fiber optic cord. We started to use naval convoys for tankers in Black Sea and Baltic because of this threat, but tankers still extremely vulnerable. They are not attacked daily just because of agreement.
United States, China and Iran has similar kind of agreement for a many decades. Do not attack tankers, since any side can do this on major routes. And if faction like ISIS appeared and will try to make funds through piracy and blackmailing of insurance companies, all nations of agreement will erase this bastards together. But currently this agreement much more beneficial for China than for USA. This is why Trump started trade war and trying to take his share of profit through tariffs, but currently USA presence in the Middle East degrading, as well as diplomatic authority and capacity to project force by fleet. If USA leaves bases, China just replaced them. If USA decided to stay there, China may try to attack bases through proxy factions during next steps of escalation. Trump has two choices: change agreement to save at least some part of influence, or unleash major war in region to stop most of oil trade for next decade and hurt enemy more than itself (and he uses this strategy very often in war with globalists). But USA can't stuck in another Gulf war with own forces and can't allow existential threat to Israel at same time. Currently Trump's party trying to change agreement through this strange buffoonery of war. But they are ready to escalation.
I do not think that any selectivity is possible. If Iran close the Strait of Hormuz for unfriendly nations, the EU and US will be furious and just stops all ships by own forces. But USA can't make first step and close strait with own fleet and drones. All Trump's politics about image, he can't threaten chinese tankers directly or bomb american oil kikes property. So, he just provoke Iran, and each following provocation stronger than previous. One of my friends noticed, that for one of Nimitz–class carriers, which directed to Persian Gulf, this is last voyage. They scheduled replacement for 2026 year. Another Liberty-level happening possible.
Maybe China give in and sign new agreement to buy more time. Maybe USA give in and just focus on own problems. But if Trump really has serious situation inside country, then he will use any opportunity to unleash chaos in Persian Gulf and hurt China's major oil route when it still possible. Finally, Iran and Israel have own existential goals.
>I think Iran and china have made some plans for such a scenario, but until something actually happens, we can't say anything definitive.
Definitely. Persian Gulf extremely precious for China at least for next 20-30 years. They are trying to replace cars to electric ones, they ramp up their metallurgy only to extract more lithium and rare elements for accumulators and magnets, they cover deserts with solar panels, but oil requirement still overwhelming high. I don't know much about their current strategy. Usually under strong pressure they took a step back on major front, but two steps forward on another one.
>>393284
>Yeah, but not nearly as much as you do! Even in this war(Iran-Israel) the regime had plenty of opposition groups, but about more 70% of them, when the fighting started, stood by their fellow countrymen instead of betraying them.
I was quite impressed by this, but shamed at same time. When the war started and government decided to draft reservists, most of our opposition just run away in days and breach borders with Georgia and Kazakhstan like stormtroopers. But when economy show growth instead of decline and industrial salaries skyrocketing, they suddenly returned like nothing even happened. I watched in their blogs how they one by one turned to be comical-level vatans and support government louder than even most crazy patriots before the war. My faith in opposition saved one woman from liberal party, who works in medical reanimation: she don't leave country during hard days, and still hates regime.
Do you heard about fourth generations of Ibn Khaldun? The oldest, simplest and most precious model of social decline. First generation come from the desert and conquered the city. Second generation build country and expand borders. Third generation growth cypresses and makes poetry. Forth generation are conquered by barbarians from the desert. I see this cycles everywhere. USSR is perfect example, from first generation of revolutionary militants to soldiers and engineers, who rebuild country after war, then generation of scientists and lost egoistic generation of national disaster. And from 1990s another cycle again.
Looks like Iran was attacked, when second generation of soldiers transfer authority to third generation of liberals. Psychological part of this attack could be much devastating for fourth generation, but kikes clearly can't wait 25 years more. Unfortunately your rich neighbors along the Persian Gulf don't know experience of existential war for a long time. Your northern neighbors, like Azerbaijan, follows current Russian expansionism cycle and Iraq just pass his revolutionary ISIS moment. I think, Iraqi is your natural allies in the following war.
>>393285
>Meanwhile, Iran has been under harsh sanctions for decades, with separatist groups supported by foreigners and a diverse ethnic makeup, yet it hasn't broken apart!
>You? No way! No other country could handle what Iran has and not break apart!
Because Iran has imperial spirit. More than nation, more than tribe, but order and spiritual kin. I always laugh at 4chan anons, who dreams about etnostate. The strength of true nation is not separation, but will to guide others forward.
>>393296
It's quite sad, that Russia don't have political culture of protests like Iran or France. As northern nation we mostly more hierarchical, calculating and autistic than southern tribes and because of this any protests usually means serious level of insurgency. But people don't have ways to shed frustration, except internet. And It is difficult to blame opposition, when they don't fell connections with course and decisions of government. During USSR period we had soviet and national organizations with real authority, but they turned to be vulnerable to diasporas and external influence, especially in modern world.
Thanks to war connections between nation and government slowly restored. It's hard not to admit right course, if Europe and USA directly fought against us. On the other hand, it is like narcotic for government. Hard to stop, when deep social problems can be fixed just by price of 6% GDP and some dead provincials.
>Yeah, but not nearly as much as you do! Even in this war(Iran-Israel) the regime had plenty of opposition groups, but about more 70% of them, when the fighting started, stood by their fellow countrymen instead of betraying them.
I was quite impressed by this, but shamed at same time. When the war started and government decided to draft reservists, most of our opposition just run away in days and breach borders with Georgia and Kazakhstan like stormtroopers. But when economy show growth instead of decline and industrial salaries skyrocketing, they suddenly returned like nothing even happened. I watched in their blogs how they one by one turned to be comical-level vatans and support government louder than even most crazy patriots before the war. My faith in opposition saved one woman from liberal party, who works in medical reanimation: she don't leave country during hard days, and still hates regime.
Do you heard about fourth generations of Ibn Khaldun? The oldest, simplest and most precious model of social decline. First generation come from the desert and conquered the city. Second generation build country and expand borders. Third generation growth cypresses and makes poetry. Forth generation are conquered by barbarians from the desert. I see this cycles everywhere. USSR is perfect example, from first generation of revolutionary militants to soldiers and engineers, who rebuild country after war, then generation of scientists and lost egoistic generation of national disaster. And from 1990s another cycle again.
Looks like Iran was attacked, when second generation of soldiers transfer authority to third generation of liberals. Psychological part of this attack could be much devastating for fourth generation, but kikes clearly can't wait 25 years more. Unfortunately your rich neighbors along the Persian Gulf don't know experience of existential war for a long time. Your northern neighbors, like Azerbaijan, follows current Russian expansionism cycle and Iraq just pass his revolutionary ISIS moment. I think, Iraqi is your natural allies in the following war.
>>393285
>Meanwhile, Iran has been under harsh sanctions for decades, with separatist groups supported by foreigners and a diverse ethnic makeup, yet it hasn't broken apart!
>You? No way! No other country could handle what Iran has and not break apart!
Because Iran has imperial spirit. More than nation, more than tribe, but order and spiritual kin. I always laugh at 4chan anons, who dreams about etnostate. The strength of true nation is not separation, but will to guide others forward.
>>393296
It's quite sad, that Russia don't have political culture of protests like Iran or France. As northern nation we mostly more hierarchical, calculating and autistic than southern tribes and because of this any protests usually means serious level of insurgency. But people don't have ways to shed frustration, except internet. And It is difficult to blame opposition, when they don't fell connections with course and decisions of government. During USSR period we had soviet and national organizations with real authority, but they turned to be vulnerable to diasporas and external influence, especially in modern world.
Thanks to war connections between nation and government slowly restored. It's hard not to admit right course, if Europe and USA directly fought against us. On the other hand, it is like narcotic for government. Hard to stop, when deep social problems can be fixed just by price of 6% GDP and some dead provincials.
>>393325
>you are defending iran in a 4chan based site
>by shit posting about israel
>THAT IS NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING!! not for iran not against israel
Actually Iran has more influence in the western media than many of European countries. I like to use 4chan for this kind of lazy-tuned research and results was interesting sometimes. For example very strong and independent country Indonesia looks like black hole from 4chan perspective, but Iran was stable mentioned in a lot of conversations. Context doesn't matter, any kind of fame can be useful (our clownworld politics like Trump demonstrated it again and again). Indonesian voice at the world arena 15 times lover than Iranian one.
So, from this perspective you are voluntarily or not defending Iran too.
>you are defending iran in a 4chan based site
>by shit posting about israel
>THAT IS NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING!! not for iran not against israel
Actually Iran has more influence in the western media than many of European countries. I like to use 4chan for this kind of lazy-tuned research and results was interesting sometimes. For example very strong and independent country Indonesia looks like black hole from 4chan perspective, but Iran was stable mentioned in a lot of conversations. Context doesn't matter, any kind of fame can be useful (our clownworld politics like Trump demonstrated it again and again). Indonesian voice at the world arena 15 times lover than Iranian one.
So, from this perspective you are voluntarily or not defending Iran too.
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>>393349
>The United States probably would not have even gotten involved in WWII, but then Pearl Harbor happened (basically just Japan saying, "The Western Pacific is our turf, stay out of it and sell us oil") and lo and behold, a country that was born in war and defines its history by warfare suddenly got war fever and the shit hit the fan.
Pearl Harbor was inevitable when USA close oil import to Japan. They can't even maintain campaign in China with their own oil production, so their attempt to seize Indonesian oil was predictable. But I think USA did not expect so impudent attack.
Reminds current situation a little.
>The United States probably would not have even gotten involved in WWII, but then Pearl Harbor happened (basically just Japan saying, "The Western Pacific is our turf, stay out of it and sell us oil") and lo and behold, a country that was born in war and defines its history by warfare suddenly got war fever and the shit hit the fan.
Pearl Harbor was inevitable when USA close oil import to Japan. They can't even maintain campaign in China with their own oil production, so their attempt to seize Indonesian oil was predictable. But I think USA did not expect so impudent attack.
Reminds current situation a little.
>>393370
The United States knew something was up, because there were diplomatic negotiations underway in Washington, which in a case of spectacularly poor timing, the last communication from Tokyo arrived after the attack was already underway. Communications in 1941 were not as instantaneous as they are today, so the Japanese probably hoped that it would take longer for news of the raid to reach Washington.
It is of course because of scaremongering yellow press cartoons like that that Executive Order 9066 was issued, resulting in the forcible internment of 120,000 Japanese American citizens in concentration camps.
The United States knew something was up, because there were diplomatic negotiations underway in Washington, which in a case of spectacularly poor timing, the last communication from Tokyo arrived after the attack was already underway. Communications in 1941 were not as instantaneous as they are today, so the Japanese probably hoped that it would take longer for news of the raid to reach Washington.
It is of course because of scaremongering yellow press cartoons like that that Executive Order 9066 was issued, resulting in the forcible internment of 120,000 Japanese American citizens in concentration camps.
>THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT JUST DELETED THIS DOCUMENT
https://x.com/MENAUnleashed/status/1938198008929165642/photo/3
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Sites targeted by Iran.
>According to various Israeli media reports, damage spanned residential buildings, scientific infrastructure (e.g., labs at the Weizmann Institute in Rehovot), the Israeli Defense Ministry complex, and commercial hubs like the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. Iran also struck a military target near the Soroka Medical Center in Be’er Sheva. The medical center was hit by the blast wave, which caused extensive structural damage, a chemical leak, and dozens of injuries. The Israeli press claimed this was a direct strike on Soroka, but the fact that no one was killed undermines that claim.
>Iran also struck the following residential areas, reportedly targeting Israeli military and intelligence officials:
>- Bat Yam: 9 killed, ~200 wounded; high-rise apartments destroyed.
>- Ramat Gan: Nine buildings destroyed, hundreds displaced.
>- Haifa and Tel Aviv: Strikes near military HQs (“Kirya”) and civilian neighborhoods.
>According to various Israeli media reports, damage spanned residential buildings, scientific infrastructure (e.g., labs at the Weizmann Institute in Rehovot), the Israeli Defense Ministry complex, and commercial hubs like the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. Iran also struck a military target near the Soroka Medical Center in Be’er Sheva. The medical center was hit by the blast wave, which caused extensive structural damage, a chemical leak, and dozens of injuries. The Israeli press claimed this was a direct strike on Soroka, but the fact that no one was killed undermines that claim.
>Iran also struck the following residential areas, reportedly targeting Israeli military and intelligence officials:
>- Bat Yam: 9 killed, ~200 wounded; high-rise apartments destroyed.
>- Ramat Gan: Nine buildings destroyed, hundreds displaced.
>- Haifa and Tel Aviv: Strikes near military HQs (“Kirya”) and civilian neighborhoods.
>>393365
no what i meant was that , it would not help iran in any shape or form
reality is that the nationalism of the other guy kinda blinded him to accept iran lost with the most casualty and damages
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iran is like that 1st grader who wants to mess with those 6th grader bullies
of course he will lose
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other than that , i see it as siding with a government that i hate , iran's islamic government is a total imbecile whom only has power against its people and for waste majority of it's existence oppressed us with the excuse that they are helping gaza and islam against israel
which always was a lie
they never harmed anyone other than iranians
no what i meant was that , it would not help iran in any shape or form
reality is that the nationalism of the other guy kinda blinded him to accept iran lost with the most casualty and damages
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iran is like that 1st grader who wants to mess with those 6th grader bullies
of course he will lose
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other than that , i see it as siding with a government that i hate , iran's islamic government is a total imbecile whom only has power against its people and for waste majority of it's existence oppressed us with the excuse that they are helping gaza and islam against israel
which always was a lie
they never harmed anyone other than iranians
>>393384
but i believe , israel would bring so much hatred to itself that the whole world would turn against them
because of how much of an obnoxious asshole they are
and how much they force themselves on everyone's throat
but i believe , israel would bring so much hatred to itself that the whole world would turn against them
because of how much of an obnoxious asshole they are
and how much they force themselves on everyone's throat
>>393401
esmail ghanaei... i heard a lot of people always calling him a spy , don't know why
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few day ago , IDF claimed that they called some of the higher ranks in sepah (/irgc) and scared them to join their side so they will not be killed on the later missile/drone fires
i guess these are them huh?
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i am not sure but one thing that is a public knowledge is that there are a tons of spies in iranian's government on the top
some of the mullahs here are even called akhoond-e-englisi (mullahs of britain) which means they are also spy and shills
esmail ghanaei... i heard a lot of people always calling him a spy , don't know why
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few day ago , IDF claimed that they called some of the higher ranks in sepah (/irgc) and scared them to join their side so they will not be killed on the later missile/drone fires
i guess these are them huh?
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i am not sure but one thing that is a public knowledge is that there are a tons of spies in iranian's government on the top
some of the mullahs here are even called akhoond-e-englisi (mullahs of britain) which means they are also spy and shills
New Iranian mares just dropped.
Let's gooo !
Let's gooo !
>>393447
it would not matter , if a revolution happens AGAIN
Iran would be turn friendly toward US , just like the King reign era
most people here when they see an American or an European , for them it is like they saw an rare beautiful Unicorn senpai , at least the where i live it is that way
iranians are so westernized and they value westernoids so so much more cooler , more progressed ,more open minded and more intelligent than them, and does not matter how much propaganda the govs shoves inside them , they always will be like that.
it would not matter , if a revolution happens AGAIN
Iran would be turn friendly toward US , just like the King reign era
most people here when they see an American or an European , for them it is like they saw an rare beautiful Unicorn senpai , at least the where i live it is that way
iranians are so westernized and they value westernoids so so much more cooler , more progressed ,more open minded and more intelligent than them, and does not matter how much propaganda the govs shoves inside them , they always will be like that.
>>393465
Exactly as the Russians said. The pro-western 5th column in Iran is HUUUUUGE and is causing great concern.
Exactly as the Russians said. The pro-western 5th column in Iran is HUUUUUGE and is causing great concern.
>>393467
in my opinion , friendship with the west is more benificial for iran
look at russia/china 's allies...North korea , venezuela , veitnam , belarus , bulgeria etc etc
now look at the US/EU 's allies...japan , south korea , germany , UAE , Saudi Arabia and etc etc
it is clear as sky which will benefits you more
during king Mohammed reza , Iran was one of the most powerful countries in middle east , richer than turkey richer than most of the oiled arab countries
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but i guess they were scared of that Iran , as Churchill once said
keep the arab rich and they obey you
keep the iranian poor so they will obey you
i am paraphrasing but that is pretty much what he said
in my opinion , friendship with the west is more benificial for iran
look at russia/china 's allies...North korea , venezuela , veitnam , belarus , bulgeria etc etc
now look at the US/EU 's allies...japan , south korea , germany , UAE , Saudi Arabia and etc etc
it is clear as sky which will benefits you more
during king Mohammed reza , Iran was one of the most powerful countries in middle east , richer than turkey richer than most of the oiled arab countries
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but i guess they were scared of that Iran , as Churchill once said
keep the arab rich and they obey you
keep the iranian poor so they will obey you
i am paraphrasing but that is pretty much what he said
>>393468
and pedophillia, don't forget the child marriage , that disgusting thing was not originally in my culture but after islam this became a norm ,
God! why did you created Arabs and Jews?? just to punish humanity with them?
and pedophillia, don't forget the child marriage , that disgusting thing was not originally in my culture but after islam this became a norm ,
God! why did you created Arabs and Jews?? just to punish humanity with them?
>>393473
bro fucking hell am i a noob or it does not work?
bro fucking hell am i a noob or it does not work?
>>393471
i am iranian (i am using vpn) cause for the side note in >>/mlpol/393324
and what i meant was after arabs attacked iran forced us to become muslim , not me tho i am from an armenian father and i grow up as a Chirstian, i am talking about the whole arab bullshitery
i am the noob
i am iranian (i am using vpn) cause for the side note in >>/mlpol/393324
and what i meant was after arabs attacked iran forced us to become muslim , not me tho i am from an armenian father and i grow up as a Chirstian, i am talking about the whole arab bullshitery
i am the noob
okay i am noob and retarded as well, there should be ''>>>''
anyway , you would know what i am trying say , FUCK...
anyway , you would know what i am trying say , FUCK...
>>393470
You like ponies at least. Even most inhuman kike has some light deeply in heart.
I just read about aftermath of recent Azerbaijan-Armenia war. Ten months of fuel blockade and forced exodus of all 120 thousands armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh, the historical homeland of Armenian civilization. What do you think about it?
You like ponies at least. Even most inhuman kike has some light deeply in heart.
I just read about aftermath of recent Azerbaijan-Armenia war. Ten months of fuel blockade and forced exodus of all 120 thousands armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh, the historical homeland of Armenian civilization. What do you think about it?
>>393480
armenian genocide is one of the most clear evidence of islamic hypocrisy
you hear muslims (especially the turks) bitching and moaning about palestine but never talking about what the hell they did to Armenians and also Kurds and it never got enough.
turks in general were a bunch of assholes in history toward everyone, literally everyone.
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armenia is not really my country tho i mean yeah i am half armeni still i born in iran, but i do sympathise with my christian bros more than fucking muzlimous the retardeusex
armenian genocide is one of the most clear evidence of islamic hypocrisy
you hear muslims (especially the turks) bitching and moaning about palestine but never talking about what the hell they did to Armenians and also Kurds and it never got enough.
turks in general were a bunch of assholes in history toward everyone, literally everyone.
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armenia is not really my country tho i mean yeah i am half armeni still i born in iran, but i do sympathise with my christian bros more than fucking muzlimous the retardeusex
>>393469
>in my opinion , friendship with the west is more benificial for iran
That's recipe for destruction and slavery.
Remember ISIS? Iran's role is to be used as springboard to launch a new Jihad to the underbelly of Russia. So, if you are thinking about prosperity, it will only touch the oligarchs in Iran, but the people will live like the chumps in Irak and used for war.
>in my opinion , friendship with the west is more benificial for iran
That's recipe for destruction and slavery.
Remember ISIS? Iran's role is to be used as springboard to launch a new Jihad to the underbelly of Russia. So, if you are thinking about prosperity, it will only touch the oligarchs in Iran, but the people will live like the chumps in Irak and used for war.
>>393486
ISIS is when after iran's revolution
before that iran was a british shill and a secular country
i don't understand why would the west try to start a coup and change it , my guess is that they are bunch of paranoid retards who think they are the smartest and they decided that no king is not good for our cause so let's put a mullah there so we can control them easier
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anyway i am bergaining , what i want to say is that
iran definitely would become a secular after the islamic opperassion
many poeple hate islam due to action of the government and many of them believe islam is the religion of arabs not them
i see so many people in my area with Ahura mazda necklaces (zarthurustrian) and Cross necklaces which they are not born in those religions
i can swear to god that amount anti-religions and athism is growing so hard in iran , that hopefully islam will never and ever rise again here
ISIS is when after iran's revolution
before that iran was a british shill and a secular country
i don't understand why would the west try to start a coup and change it , my guess is that they are bunch of paranoid retards who think they are the smartest and they decided that no king is not good for our cause so let's put a mullah there so we can control them easier
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anyway i am bergaining , what i want to say is that
iran definitely would become a secular after the islamic opperassion
many poeple hate islam due to action of the government and many of them believe islam is the religion of arabs not them
i see so many people in my area with Ahura mazda necklaces (zarthurustrian) and Cross necklaces which they are not born in those religions
i can swear to god that amount anti-religions and athism is growing so hard in iran , that hopefully islam will never and ever rise again here
>>393468
The objection lies not in horsefuckery, but in muzzie relations with a non-muzzie. Though perhaps they aren't all as fundamentalist as I've been led to believe.
The objection lies not in horsefuckery, but in muzzie relations with a non-muzzie. Though perhaps they aren't all as fundamentalist as I've been led to believe.
>>393489
>Though perhaps they aren't all as fundamentalist as I've been led to believe
there are always people ones who are open-minded in any group
but in average , waste majority of extremely religious people tend to be a bunch of crackheads whom shine in a brain-dead zombified group more than the others
>Though perhaps they aren't all as fundamentalist as I've been led to believe
there are always people ones who are open-minded in any group
but in average , waste majority of extremely religious people tend to be a bunch of crackheads whom shine in a brain-dead zombified group more than the others
>>393490
what i mean is that because one wolf did not attacked you when it saw you
that doesn't equal to no wolves will ever attack you
what i mean is that because one wolf did not attacked you when it saw you
that doesn't equal to no wolves will ever attack you
>>393487
>i don't understand why would the west try to start a coup and change it
Push and Pull to bring chaos to the region.
Allow me to give you a hint.
The Shah was dethroned by a "revolution", then that begs the question... Funded by who? The incoming Ayatollah was living in France, not in a neighboring country, then he was flown to Iran to take power. Curious isn't it? An anti-American revolution with a leader hosted by a western country... does it make sense to you?
>i don't understand why would the west try to start a coup and change it
Push and Pull to bring chaos to the region.
Allow me to give you a hint.
The Shah was dethroned by a "revolution", then that begs the question... Funded by who? The incoming Ayatollah was living in France, not in a neighboring country, then he was flown to Iran to take power. Curious isn't it? An anti-American revolution with a leader hosted by a western country... does it make sense to you?
>>393487
>i can swear to god that amount anti-religions and athism is growing so hard in iran , that hopefully islam will never and ever rise again here
>i can swear to god
Sure, the problem with your worldview is that you are unable to see the pattern. A sector of the population infatuated with western culture but that it was never and will never be part of it. Same than Ukraine, they wanted so hard to be Europeans that most of them are now dead or dispossessed.
>i can swear to god that amount anti-religions and athism is growing so hard in iran , that hopefully islam will never and ever rise again here
>i can swear to god
Sure, the problem with your worldview is that you are unable to see the pattern. A sector of the population infatuated with western culture but that it was never and will never be part of it. Same than Ukraine, they wanted so hard to be Europeans that most of them are now dead or dispossessed.
>>393490
For the record to make very clear what is the political situation. Iran has a very powerful jewish population with representation in the iranian parliament, even if they claim to be anti-zionists, they are 100 percent pro-jew.
For the record to make very clear what is the political situation. Iran has a very powerful jewish population with representation in the iranian parliament, even if they claim to be anti-zionists, they are 100 percent pro-jew.
>>393493
also don't forget , khomeini played them , saying he did a ''خطئه khot'eh'' which litterally just means lying.
they definitely talked to him to make him useful for themselves but he crossed all of them
then they pushed iraq to attack iran as a way of punishment.
>>393496
what ukraine has to do with ''atheism''?
are you really one of those delusionals who thinks without islam and with accepting western modernism , all of us doomed to hell because of a book written 1400 years ago??
>>393497
>very powerful jewish population
powerful?? bro they are like at best 10 thousand of them here in 80 million population and i am pretty much sure , government already checks and observe the shit out of them , i don't think they can be that much of threat
especially when iran's government there are so many sellout spies already
also don't forget , khomeini played them , saying he did a ''خطئه khot'eh'' which litterally just means lying.
they definitely talked to him to make him useful for themselves but he crossed all of them
then they pushed iraq to attack iran as a way of punishment.
>>393496
what ukraine has to do with ''atheism''?
are you really one of those delusionals who thinks without islam and with accepting western modernism , all of us doomed to hell because of a book written 1400 years ago??
>>393497
>very powerful jewish population
powerful?? bro they are like at best 10 thousand of them here in 80 million population and i am pretty much sure , government already checks and observe the shit out of them , i don't think they can be that much of threat
especially when iran's government there are so many sellout spies already
>>393539
>are you really one of those delusionals who thinks without islam and with accepting western modernism , all of us doomed to hell
TBH, yes. Many of you people lost your way to the degree of being transgender tolerant and to show an alarming lust for money, plus you have an identity problem if you look at the west for inspiration.
Islam gives you a framework of morality and civility. Don't get me wrong, Islam is poison for the West, and in the West must be destroyed together with its people living among us; but given your Asian mindset and ethnicity, Islam is beneficial to the Iranian people.
>powerful?? bro they are like at best 10 thousand of them
Way, way more I'm told, living there for thousands of years and having a grip on most of the economy, they are considered another iranian faction pulling the levers of power.
>are you really one of those delusionals who thinks without islam and with accepting western modernism , all of us doomed to hell
TBH, yes. Many of you people lost your way to the degree of being transgender tolerant and to show an alarming lust for money, plus you have an identity problem if you look at the west for inspiration.
Islam gives you a framework of morality and civility. Don't get me wrong, Islam is poison for the West, and in the West must be destroyed together with its people living among us; but given your Asian mindset and ethnicity, Islam is beneficial to the Iranian people.
>powerful?? bro they are like at best 10 thousand of them
Way, way more I'm told, living there for thousands of years and having a grip on most of the economy, they are considered another iranian faction pulling the levers of power.
>>393542
thanks for your honesty
but why the fuck are you assuming shit about me
> transgender tolerant
i am not in any shape or form tolerant toward them , they are unhealthy psycho-pathetical asylum patients
and i hate faggots in general
>you have an identity problem if you look at the west
bro if you wanna be a traditionalist and fundamentalist just go back to a cave and live there , we humans use to do that
if you wanna stick into the past , you deserve to be left alone in the past
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most of the fucking technology that you are using , PC , Phone , Electricity , Lights (lamps) etc and etc are invented/discovered by westerners
<stop being ungrateful
other than islam's golden era where advancement and enlightenment was some what appreciated
after that islam did not gave us anything other than ass backwarded brain dead zombies who cannot follow anything other than bullshits of the mumbo jumbo that they believed in
cause islam is far from its root and any religion far from its root is considered harmful ideology full of poisonous backward thinkings
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> Islam is beneficial to the Iranian people
islam never was our religion and never will be our culture
our language and culture got fucked by swarming of the arabic beetles to our country by ((force of SWORD))
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they don't need to pull of jews in iran so israel can get in power
the prince reza is already a fucking US, britain , israeli shill
also my father told me yesterday that one of the daughter or grand-daughther of reza is married to a jewish political figures
and my dad added that they might kill him to get her in power as the future queen
that is way more concerning
thanks for your honesty
but why the fuck are you assuming shit about me
> transgender tolerant
i am not in any shape or form tolerant toward them , they are unhealthy psycho-pathetical asylum patients
and i hate faggots in general
>you have an identity problem if you look at the west
bro if you wanna be a traditionalist and fundamentalist just go back to a cave and live there , we humans use to do that
if you wanna stick into the past , you deserve to be left alone in the past
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most of the fucking technology that you are using , PC , Phone , Electricity , Lights (lamps) etc and etc are invented/discovered by westerners
<stop being ungrateful
other than islam's golden era where advancement and enlightenment was some what appreciated
after that islam did not gave us anything other than ass backwarded brain dead zombies who cannot follow anything other than bullshits of the mumbo jumbo that they believed in
cause islam is far from its root and any religion far from its root is considered harmful ideology full of poisonous backward thinkings
--
> Islam is beneficial to the Iranian people
islam never was our religion and never will be our culture
our language and culture got fucked by swarming of the arabic beetles to our country by ((force of SWORD))
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they don't need to pull of jews in iran so israel can get in power
the prince reza is already a fucking US, britain , israeli shill
also my father told me yesterday that one of the daughter or grand-daughther of reza is married to a jewish political figures
and my dad added that they might kill him to get her in power as the future queen
that is way more concerning
>>393542
also also , from when did you become such a jew hater?
was not this your thread?
>>>/mlpol/389778 →
also also , from when did you become such a jew hater?
was not this your thread?
>>>/mlpol/389778 →
>>393487
>>393487
>i don't understand why would the west try to start a coup and change it
Most western liberal governments are now "idea faeries", that is to say, they have what they think is a good idea and they start working on it, but they lack the resources and/or the political will to carry their ideations through to fruition.
So the result we get is a lot of big talk and no action, and half-assed "solutions" that do nothing to address the root causes of the problem.
>>393487
>i don't understand why would the west try to start a coup and change it
Most western liberal governments are now "idea faeries", that is to say, they have what they think is a good idea and they start working on it, but they lack the resources and/or the political will to carry their ideations through to fruition.
So the result we get is a lot of big talk and no action, and half-assed "solutions" that do nothing to address the root causes of the problem.
>>393581
so the governments are full of self-righteous discord/reddit moderators with more power irl thinking they are the smartest while being the most retardests
yeah make sense
so the governments are full of self-righteous discord/reddit moderators with more power irl thinking they are the smartest while being the most retardests
yeah make sense
Three explosions have occurred in Iran in recent days. The explosions occurred at the Shahid Rajaee port, a motorcycle factory in Mashhad, and a cardboard factory in Karaj. The explosion at Shahid Rajaee port killed 57 people and injured more than 1,000.
Description of the explosions:
Shahid Rajaee port explosion:
The explosion occurred on April 26, 2025 at the Shahid Rajaee port in southern Iran. State media reports indicate that 57 people were killed and more than 1,000 were injured. The explosion occurred at around 12:20 Iranian time, due to a fire in several containers containing explosives, including ammonium perchlorate, in the port's quay area. The incident occurred in the midst of negotiations between Iran and the United States over Iran's nuclear program.
Motorcycle factory explosion:
The explosion occurred at a motorcycle factory in Mashhad, northern Iran. The incident caused a fire in a warehouse containing tires and cardboard. The fire was contained, but the cause of the explosion and possible casualties are not yet known.
Explosion at cardboard factory:
The explosion occurred at a cardboard factory in Karaj, near Tehran. The incident also caused a large fire, raising concerns about industrial safety and the possibility of sabotage in the country.
Related:
Following the Shahid Rajaee Port explosion, Iranian authorities ordered news censorship, and some sources have raised the possibility of sabotage in the incident.
The explosion at Shahid Rajaee Port may have caused huge financial losses, with some officials estimating the damage at between $3 billion and $5 billion.
In addition to these explosions, a series of other similar incidents have recently occurred in Iran, raising concerns about industrial safety and the possibility of sabotage.
The explosions come at a time of rising regional and international tensions, with Iran currently engaged in nuclear negotiations and confrontation with Israel
links:
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1q0zlslee
https://www.iranintl.com/en/liveblog/202504261552
please follow iran international EN for the recent news about iran
Description of the explosions:
Shahid Rajaee port explosion:
The explosion occurred on April 26, 2025 at the Shahid Rajaee port in southern Iran. State media reports indicate that 57 people were killed and more than 1,000 were injured. The explosion occurred at around 12:20 Iranian time, due to a fire in several containers containing explosives, including ammonium perchlorate, in the port's quay area. The incident occurred in the midst of negotiations between Iran and the United States over Iran's nuclear program.
Motorcycle factory explosion:
The explosion occurred at a motorcycle factory in Mashhad, northern Iran. The incident caused a fire in a warehouse containing tires and cardboard. The fire was contained, but the cause of the explosion and possible casualties are not yet known.
Explosion at cardboard factory:
The explosion occurred at a cardboard factory in Karaj, near Tehran. The incident also caused a large fire, raising concerns about industrial safety and the possibility of sabotage in the country.
Related:
Following the Shahid Rajaee Port explosion, Iranian authorities ordered news censorship, and some sources have raised the possibility of sabotage in the incident.
The explosion at Shahid Rajaee Port may have caused huge financial losses, with some officials estimating the damage at between $3 billion and $5 billion.
In addition to these explosions, a series of other similar incidents have recently occurred in Iran, raising concerns about industrial safety and the possibility of sabotage.
The explosions come at a time of rising regional and international tensions, with Iran currently engaged in nuclear negotiations and confrontation with Israel
links:
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1q0zlslee
https://www.iranintl.com/en/liveblog/202504261552
please follow iran international EN for the recent news about iran
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>>393311
Thank you very much for this technical information. It was a bit difficult to fully understand everything you explained, but I think I got it in the end.
From what it seems, right now a lot of aircraft are being sent from europe and the U.S (we could say from the NATO side) towards israel, and if(as you said)they use the strongest ground-based weapons, it will probably be effective in electronic warfare.
But as you also said, this disruption must happen as quickly as possible, so that after the INS activates, there will be a longer delay and reduced accuracy.
I don't know whether israel has been using GMLRS in this war to destroy launchers (because the launchers were usually destroyed by drones and micro-UAVs launched internally by infiltrators), but I'm pretty sure now that many of those infiltrators have been captured by Iran, israel is relying more on equipment being sent by NATO.
The main problem for Iran was protecting its lunchers. If it wants to protect them now, it can't just rely on GPS jamming equipment, it needs actual air defense systems. And since Iran has become more alert and arrested many infiltrators, it must now be able to protect those systems more effectively.
So my question is this: Isn't it possible that air defense systems are also being sent (to Iran)?
This war has made Iran much more distrustful of Russia (not that it trusted them much before), but now its semi-strategic partner seems to be shifting from Russia to China.
Iran will likely rely more on Chinese and indigenous defense systems.
>>393312
Thanks!
>>393313
Looks like this war is just a battle in a retirement home, just take a look at the key players involved:
Khamenei : 85 years old
Trump : 79 years old
Netanyahu : 75 years old
Putin : 72 years old
Jinping : 72 years old
There's no surprise why this war is so gay...
>>393316
A proud populist dude. Just imagine if he was a democrat in some parallel universe, he would probably wear a purple suit and yelling "Make America Cool Again!" with a MACA hat on.
But seriously, he has his own plan, but he doesn't realize he can't understand everything with his over-simplified explanations. I don't blame him, because he's wearing the "Trillion-dollar Glasses." (I'll explain what that means in replies below.)
>I doubt any removal of the likud party will be permanent. They tried that in 2021, but the coalition fell apart and the likud rapidly reasserted power.
I feel the same way. Netanyahu goes, and his party buddy comes in.
>>393318
>LOL
I don't get why these kikes get so pissed over such a small amount of money. The U.S has given israel hundreds of times more than that.
>The US entered the war because Bibi skillfully manipulated his favorite useful idiot, the President of the United States of America.
I don't think this whole thing is really about Trump or Netanyahu in general. Sure, this specific war might be connected, but overall, Khamenei usually throws out the same vague lines about israel and the U.S, it's one of the most typical and predictable things he says. The only difference now is that more people around the world are actually listening to his speeches. Most of the time, even Iranians don't really pay attention to what he says. People only tune in when stuff gets tense. And this one? Just one of his usual talks at all, not a big deal.
>The average American can't even find Israel on the map.
Also yeah, I totally get it. I still remember that poll. [pic related]
I just mean... Wtf about those Americans who thought Iran is an autonomous region inside their own country??! That points on the map wasn't even a joke, don't think they were trolling, I think they were fucking serious!!!
>>393319
Could this theory be true, that Bibi offers children as bribes?
>>393320
That's nothing. Back when I used free vpns, that was real PAIN! Getting spammed with a ton of garbage ads, and in the end, none of them even worked, that hits different.
(every Iranian has to prove they're more miserable than the other Iranian, right?)
>>393321
Sure, Trump fights for israel just like Netanyahu does, but at the end of the day, he's still an American. He's not gonna fuck his own country for israel when there are easier ways to get what he wants.
That whole berating? Like I said, it's just a "دعوای زرگری".
And honestly, Trump acts like a mom scolding her kid (Netanyahu) for picking fights with others. Maybe he even blames his own kid instead of the other side… but if that kid's life were really in danger, that same mom would break every moral rule to save him.
Right now? It still all looks like a show to me. Bibi is just still dumb enough to mess things up, and Trump's even dumber, can't even run his own plan right.
>>393322
Yeah, that MIGA thing...
But either way, I think Trump still isn't fully sold on regime change. I'm not saying he's against it 100%, just that he's probably still leaving about 10–15% room for hope. He's still hoping there's a chance for an alliance with this regime, something that, under the current regime, feels like pure fantasy. But it's the kind of fantasy that's a total nightmare for Netanyahu and israel.
A U.S-Iran partnership would hurt China and Russia, and worst of all, Israel, more than anyone else.
Israel wants regime change to weaken or maybe even break up Iran.
But Trump? He's looking for an alliance with the regime in Iran, whether it's the current one (unlikely) or a new one.
America needs a stable Iran for its Rimland strategy.
Thank you very much for this technical information. It was a bit difficult to fully understand everything you explained, but I think I got it in the end.
From what it seems, right now a lot of aircraft are being sent from europe and the U.S (we could say from the NATO side) towards israel, and if(as you said)they use the strongest ground-based weapons, it will probably be effective in electronic warfare.
But as you also said, this disruption must happen as quickly as possible, so that after the INS activates, there will be a longer delay and reduced accuracy.
I don't know whether israel has been using GMLRS in this war to destroy launchers (because the launchers were usually destroyed by drones and micro-UAVs launched internally by infiltrators), but I'm pretty sure now that many of those infiltrators have been captured by Iran, israel is relying more on equipment being sent by NATO.
The main problem for Iran was protecting its lunchers. If it wants to protect them now, it can't just rely on GPS jamming equipment, it needs actual air defense systems. And since Iran has become more alert and arrested many infiltrators, it must now be able to protect those systems more effectively.
So my question is this: Isn't it possible that air defense systems are also being sent (to Iran)?
This war has made Iran much more distrustful of Russia (not that it trusted them much before), but now its semi-strategic partner seems to be shifting from Russia to China.
Iran will likely rely more on Chinese and indigenous defense systems.
>>393312
Thanks!
>>393313
Looks like this war is just a battle in a retirement home, just take a look at the key players involved:
Khamenei : 85 years old
Trump : 79 years old
Netanyahu : 75 years old
Putin : 72 years old
Jinping : 72 years old
There's no surprise why this war is so gay...
>>393316
A proud populist dude. Just imagine if he was a democrat in some parallel universe, he would probably wear a purple suit and yelling "Make America Cool Again!" with a MACA hat on.
But seriously, he has his own plan, but he doesn't realize he can't understand everything with his over-simplified explanations. I don't blame him, because he's wearing the "Trillion-dollar Glasses." (I'll explain what that means in replies below.)
>I doubt any removal of the likud party will be permanent. They tried that in 2021, but the coalition fell apart and the likud rapidly reasserted power.
I feel the same way. Netanyahu goes, and his party buddy comes in.
>>393318
>LOL
I don't get why these kikes get so pissed over such a small amount of money. The U.S has given israel hundreds of times more than that.
>The US entered the war because Bibi skillfully manipulated his favorite useful idiot, the President of the United States of America.
I don't think this whole thing is really about Trump or Netanyahu in general. Sure, this specific war might be connected, but overall, Khamenei usually throws out the same vague lines about israel and the U.S, it's one of the most typical and predictable things he says. The only difference now is that more people around the world are actually listening to his speeches. Most of the time, even Iranians don't really pay attention to what he says. People only tune in when stuff gets tense. And this one? Just one of his usual talks at all, not a big deal.
>The average American can't even find Israel on the map.
Also yeah, I totally get it. I still remember that poll. [pic related]
I just mean... Wtf about those Americans who thought Iran is an autonomous region inside their own country??! That points on the map wasn't even a joke, don't think they were trolling, I think they were fucking serious!!!
>>393319
Could this theory be true, that Bibi offers children as bribes?
>>393320
That's nothing. Back when I used free vpns, that was real PAIN! Getting spammed with a ton of garbage ads, and in the end, none of them even worked, that hits different.
(every Iranian has to prove they're more miserable than the other Iranian, right?)
>>393321
Sure, Trump fights for israel just like Netanyahu does, but at the end of the day, he's still an American. He's not gonna fuck his own country for israel when there are easier ways to get what he wants.
That whole berating? Like I said, it's just a "دعوای زرگری".
And honestly, Trump acts like a mom scolding her kid (Netanyahu) for picking fights with others. Maybe he even blames his own kid instead of the other side… but if that kid's life were really in danger, that same mom would break every moral rule to save him.
Right now? It still all looks like a show to me. Bibi is just still dumb enough to mess things up, and Trump's even dumber, can't even run his own plan right.
>>393322
Yeah, that MIGA thing...
But either way, I think Trump still isn't fully sold on regime change. I'm not saying he's against it 100%, just that he's probably still leaving about 10–15% room for hope. He's still hoping there's a chance for an alliance with this regime, something that, under the current regime, feels like pure fantasy. But it's the kind of fantasy that's a total nightmare for Netanyahu and israel.
A U.S-Iran partnership would hurt China and Russia, and worst of all, Israel, more than anyone else.
Israel wants regime change to weaken or maybe even break up Iran.
But Trump? He's looking for an alliance with the regime in Iran, whether it's the current one (unlikely) or a new one.
America needs a stable Iran for its Rimland strategy.
>>393324
>>393325
>you write too much and you care too much about what people....
Honestly, since the war started, some of my work got delayed, so I have some free time. And anyway, I enjoy arguing (I mean, aren't these sites made for that?).
Usually, since I don't have time to constantly send short replies, I just wait till a few messages pile up and then hit back with a long reply all at once (you know, as they say: fire all your canons at once!).
It's not really about trying to prove myself to that sandnigger, I just wanted to make him realize how dumb he was. But yeah, I only waste so much time on someone. If they're still acting dumb, I just stop replying for real.
>at this point i am just too depressed to give a fuck...
Anyway, I hope you get better. Depression isn't something you should just "learn to live with." I swear we have all been through that.
<(I know you probably don't care.)
I lost my gf during covid. She was a nursing student and volunteered to help at a hospital. It was near the end of the first year of covid, literally a week after I introduced her to my parents, she died of it. You think I didn't fall into depression? You think I don't live in this same country too?
Cut the crap with this "woe is me" stuff, dive into it and get over it. Depression is only worth giving energy to up to a point, then you gotta move on. Quit the emotional baby games!
>glad you're alive
Also, yeah, I'm glad my fellow Iranian(if you really are) is alive and can even post here.
>and i don't care if you're basiji or npc or mossad or whatever the fuck you identify as
I’m just an MLP-loving politics nerd. That's all you need to know about me here.
>also you need to stop talking to that arabtard, that guy is a troll and he never posts in a good faith
About that arabtard, yeah, I knew he was trolling, but I kinda let him reveal his own stupidity first. Once he did, I stopped replying.
Funny thing is, I remember you arguing with the same arab guy in another thread (I think that was my thread), and I told you to stop, now you're saying the same thing to me. Like they say: "خیاط تو کوزه افتاد"!
>Side note
I think that conspiracy theory is a bit hard to believe. I mean, I do believe Mossad has influence, but full-on ZOG? Nah, that's too far-fetched.
Sure, there's infiltration, no doubt. But the system isn't totally turned into some ZOG puppet like in those other govs in the world. And like it or not, these guys fought for 12 days. You can't just ignore the efforts of a lot of their forces.
That whole hardcore irgc ideology? It's mostly up in the top brass. The lower ranks, just like any other regular Iranians, normal people serving the country. I have realized that too.
Most irgc guys aren't even "enghelabi", if they're not anti-regime, they're still not the thing that people usually though. So yeah, painting the entire irgc as some kikes puppet force? That's just plain unfair. Even if the regime falls, they'll still be around. Maybe restructured, some commanders arrested, merged with the army, but the core remains.
Also, seriously, what the hell did I even say that made me look like irgc??!
>WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE??!?!?!?
Just an anon...
>you are defending iran in a 4chan based...
First of all, please point me to where exactly I "shitposted" about israel.
Also, what's this thread about? That's right, the Iran–israel war.
And who am I? Yep, an Iranian.
So logically, what am I supposed to do? Obviously, defend my country.
And even then, I'm not blindly defending anything, I mostly share my own analysis first.
I haven't even claimed that Iran "won" this war or anything like that(technically, this war isn't over, شاهنامه آخرش خوشه).
You'll find the kind of people you're talking about in /pol/, ranting about the Talmud.
I tried to keep things as realistic as possible, without quoting Iranian propaganda or ZOG-tier sources.
No one's trying to "do" anything here, it's a thread about a war, and I wrote about the war.
And why did I get mad at you?
Because you were acting like a kike, lying.
I hate lies and misinformation. Even if you were lying in favor of Iran, it still wouldn't make a difference to me.
Not exactly hard thing...
>let me honest with you...
I get what you're saying, but trust me, I've argued with plenty of monarchists and hardcore nationalists to know the difference between delusional nationalism and something real.
Yes, Iran is not Persia. "Persia" is a greek name that was later used because of the Achaemenid ethnicity. But Iran is a Persian word, and it literally represents what Iran truly is.
Yes! Iran is not Persia. Iran is Iran!
And look, you don't need to be a sociologist, geographer, or historian to feel that there's something special about Iran, something other countries don't have.
Iran has a certain core(a force) that's kept it together despite separatist groups, foreign pressure, and endless attempts to break it apart.
Most countries would have fallen apart under what Iran has endured.
That special strength of Iranians, which is visible throughout history, has nothing to do with this current regime.
Iran is the one country that truly can't be destroyed by invasion. Its internal structure simply won't allow it.
Every time Iran has been brought down, it's been because of betrayal, never force.
Even Alexander had to rely on a traitor shepherd to get through, and that was during the reign of one of Iran's most incompetent king.
Without that betrayal, he would have to turn back. Iran wouldn't have fallen.
And that's the problem, there are people who want to convince you that Iran will never be great again, just to make you their "shepherd".(maybe a cod reference, too)
But you're not supposed to care what kind of government is ruling you right now, or how incompetent they are.
As long as your homeland is under attack, all that talk means nothing.
Did Ariobarzanes care that his king had fled? No. He did his duty, not for the king, not for monarchy, but for his homeland.
>>393325
>you write too much and you care too much about what people....
Honestly, since the war started, some of my work got delayed, so I have some free time. And anyway, I enjoy arguing (I mean, aren't these sites made for that?).
Usually, since I don't have time to constantly send short replies, I just wait till a few messages pile up and then hit back with a long reply all at once (you know, as they say: fire all your canons at once!).
It's not really about trying to prove myself to that sandnigger, I just wanted to make him realize how dumb he was. But yeah, I only waste so much time on someone. If they're still acting dumb, I just stop replying for real.
>at this point i am just too depressed to give a fuck...
Anyway, I hope you get better. Depression isn't something you should just "learn to live with." I swear we have all been through that.
<(I know you probably don't care.)
I lost my gf during covid. She was a nursing student and volunteered to help at a hospital. It was near the end of the first year of covid, literally a week after I introduced her to my parents, she died of it. You think I didn't fall into depression? You think I don't live in this same country too?
Cut the crap with this "woe is me" stuff, dive into it and get over it. Depression is only worth giving energy to up to a point, then you gotta move on. Quit the emotional baby games!
>glad you're alive
Also, yeah, I'm glad my fellow Iranian(if you really are) is alive and can even post here.
>and i don't care if you're basiji or npc or mossad or whatever the fuck you identify as
I’m just an MLP-loving politics nerd. That's all you need to know about me here.
>also you need to stop talking to that arabtard, that guy is a troll and he never posts in a good faith
About that arabtard, yeah, I knew he was trolling, but I kinda let him reveal his own stupidity first. Once he did, I stopped replying.
Funny thing is, I remember you arguing with the same arab guy in another thread (I think that was my thread), and I told you to stop, now you're saying the same thing to me. Like they say: "خیاط تو کوزه افتاد"!
>Side note
I think that conspiracy theory is a bit hard to believe. I mean, I do believe Mossad has influence, but full-on ZOG? Nah, that's too far-fetched.
Sure, there's infiltration, no doubt. But the system isn't totally turned into some ZOG puppet like in those other govs in the world. And like it or not, these guys fought for 12 days. You can't just ignore the efforts of a lot of their forces.
That whole hardcore irgc ideology? It's mostly up in the top brass. The lower ranks, just like any other regular Iranians, normal people serving the country. I have realized that too.
Most irgc guys aren't even "enghelabi", if they're not anti-regime, they're still not the thing that people usually though. So yeah, painting the entire irgc as some kikes puppet force? That's just plain unfair. Even if the regime falls, they'll still be around. Maybe restructured, some commanders arrested, merged with the army, but the core remains.
Also, seriously, what the hell did I even say that made me look like irgc??!
>WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE??!?!?!?
Just an anon...
>you are defending iran in a 4chan based...
First of all, please point me to where exactly I "shitposted" about israel.
Also, what's this thread about? That's right, the Iran–israel war.
And who am I? Yep, an Iranian.
So logically, what am I supposed to do? Obviously, defend my country.
And even then, I'm not blindly defending anything, I mostly share my own analysis first.
I haven't even claimed that Iran "won" this war or anything like that(technically, this war isn't over, شاهنامه آخرش خوشه).
You'll find the kind of people you're talking about in /pol/, ranting about the Talmud.
I tried to keep things as realistic as possible, without quoting Iranian propaganda or ZOG-tier sources.
No one's trying to "do" anything here, it's a thread about a war, and I wrote about the war.
And why did I get mad at you?
Because you were acting like a kike, lying.
I hate lies and misinformation. Even if you were lying in favor of Iran, it still wouldn't make a difference to me.
Not exactly hard thing...
>let me honest with you...
I get what you're saying, but trust me, I've argued with plenty of monarchists and hardcore nationalists to know the difference between delusional nationalism and something real.
Yes, Iran is not Persia. "Persia" is a greek name that was later used because of the Achaemenid ethnicity. But Iran is a Persian word, and it literally represents what Iran truly is.
Yes! Iran is not Persia. Iran is Iran!
And look, you don't need to be a sociologist, geographer, or historian to feel that there's something special about Iran, something other countries don't have.
Iran has a certain core(a force) that's kept it together despite separatist groups, foreign pressure, and endless attempts to break it apart.
Most countries would have fallen apart under what Iran has endured.
That special strength of Iranians, which is visible throughout history, has nothing to do with this current regime.
Iran is the one country that truly can't be destroyed by invasion. Its internal structure simply won't allow it.
Every time Iran has been brought down, it's been because of betrayal, never force.
Even Alexander had to rely on a traitor shepherd to get through, and that was during the reign of one of Iran's most incompetent king.
Without that betrayal, he would have to turn back. Iran wouldn't have fallen.
And that's the problem, there are people who want to convince you that Iran will never be great again, just to make you their "shepherd".(maybe a cod reference, too)
But you're not supposed to care what kind of government is ruling you right now, or how incompetent they are.
As long as your homeland is under attack, all that talk means nothing.
Did Ariobarzanes care that his king had fled? No. He did his duty, not for the king, not for monarchy, but for his homeland.
>>393325
>welcome to mlpol , everyone are...
Everyone are faggots, including me.
That's just the logic I go by. I don't care about the idea that I have to assume everyone's a jew by default.
Also, there's a difference between assuming someone's a jew and them actually proving they are one.
You didn't really deny being a jew, instead, the way you talked made you act like one, which only made it more convincing.
>i am not a kafer , i born christian and i die as a christian. deal with it
آخه لامصب!
من نمیدونم تو چقدر ادبیات فارسی حالیته، ولی خدایی یه اصطلاحی مثل این رو هر خری که یکم فارسی بلده، میدونه. چرا بجای اینکه اصل مطلب این ضربالمثل رو بگیری، به فرعش میپردازی؟؟! اصلا اشتباهت هم لفظی بود، نه معنایی! اینجا کافر یعنی فرد بداندیش و کوته نظر، نه از نظر دینی! من کاری با مسیحی بودن تو ندارم.
یکم منطقی باش! من از عمد فارسی مینویسم که بدونی یه اصطلاح، ضربالمثل و یا شعر نوشتم، ولی خدایی چطور تونستی اینجوری اشتباه کنی؟؟ اگه واقعا این چیزایی که مینویسم رو نمیفهمی، میتونی راحت سرچش کنی. نمیدونم چت جی پی تی اینقدر باهوش هست که بفهمه یا نه، ولی اگه با سرچ نتونستی، بنظرم با چت جی پی تی هم امتحان کن.
>i am not a nihilist, i just hate humanity as a whole
به بز گفتن شاخ داری؟ گفت نه، پیچ دارم!
>god you are sad and you are trying too much for idk...
Now I'm the sad one?
I'm just here for war, analysis, news and so on... Understand??
>>393326
>I don't think Trump is going to do it. If he were...
Both Trump and Netanyahu want regime change, but Trump wants to end the regime, while Netanyahu wants to end Iran.
Unlike Netanyahu, Trump needs a stable Iran for alliance(Rimland strategy), which is exactly what Netanyahu doesn't want.
>Except the era of those assholes being popular has...
Maybe that's why Trump wants the regime change to come from inside.
He probably believes he can convince the Iranian people to bring it down themselves.(But this war made things harder for him and delayed regime change, because people shifted into defending their homeland.)
>Yeah, I know. He's a Zionist shabbos goy. This has...
Trump, as much as possible, tries to avoid going to war.
A direct war would only be a loss for the U.S.
That "Trillion-dollar Glasses" would only bring America more damage.(I explained about it below)
>>393327
Don't get hyped so fast. He always says this shit. There won't be anything about it.
You're just now getting familiar with his speeches, this isn't anything new.
Also, you seem pretty detached from reality.
As they say: never trust the weapon in your hand or get cocky about it, yet that's exactly what you are doing.
You think your military hasn't thought this through?
If they could, they would have attacked Iran at the first opportunity.
A naval war?? Have you even read about Iran's navy?
Sure, it might seem weaker in some ways, but you should do some proper research.
If it ever happens, this war will look more like the spanish Armada.
My advice: learn more before posting smug memes.
Last time before Ferdo, you just crashed your helicopters in Tabas by yourselves!(really how?!)
Your military knows a war with Iran would be worse than Vietnam. That's why Trump's doing everything he can to avoid it.
I have actually developed a theory I call "Trillion-dollar Glasses", a lens the west was forced to wear after ww2, when most kikes betrayed the eastern bloc and joined the west.
These glasses are on your face now, and they distort your perception of almost every situation.
Most of the cold war conflicts and after it, Vietnam, Cuba, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, all came from this flawed vision that kikes handed you.
Your belief that the middle east is a "danger zone"?
That's not reality, it's a delusion created after you shoved your heads up the middle east's ass. Then you made it dangerous.
You don't even know your enemy. That's why you can't really win.
These glasses have already cost you trillions and will cost even more.
You don't know the middle east, the kikes do, but you don't. And you always walk into war with pride, until you get hit with reality and start whining.
These glasses have made you arrogant, clueless, and blind when it comes to war.
You think you're saving the world, when in fact, you're the one who caused the mess.
Half-cleaning up your own disasters isn't "saving" anything.
These glasses made you believe islam is violent, when before these glasses, you didn't even see this kind of violence.
They turned christians against each other over stupid secondary issues, while the core of their faith faded away.
They even made you believe judaism= zionism.
And now you're proudly shouting "I hate kikes!", thinking you're not being manipulated?
That's like saying you hate the chinese, while posting that comment from a device made entirely in China. China doesn't care, as long as you're helping their economy.
Same with the kikes.
They don't care if you hate them or not, as long as your money ends up in their pockets and your worldview is exactly what they want.
So yeah, go ahead, shout "America First!"
You have only just noticed there's something sitting on your nose,
but by the time you realize it's a pair of glasses and not your actual sight,
it'll be too late. The kikes will have already upgraded them into "Quadrillion-dollar Glasses", and their prophecy of world control will be complete.
Take those damn glasses off.
They have made you arrogant, brainwashed, and incapable of thinking straight.
Since ww2, after total jewish infiltration,
U.S have become a dumb tool in one pointless war after another, and it gained nothing from any of them.
So don't get cocky.
This naval war you're dreaming about?
It'll hurt both sides(but mostly you) and wreck the global oil supply while it's at it.
>>393328
I hadn't seen that before, but honestly, it's true, he really does look like a cod villain.
But seriously, what the hell is this guy even supposed to be?
I tried watching some of his videos, but all I saw was a bunch of ZOG bullshits and "restless hand syndrome"crap.
Is that basically what he is overall?
>welcome to mlpol , everyone are...
Everyone are faggots, including me.
That's just the logic I go by. I don't care about the idea that I have to assume everyone's a jew by default.
Also, there's a difference between assuming someone's a jew and them actually proving they are one.
You didn't really deny being a jew, instead, the way you talked made you act like one, which only made it more convincing.
>i am not a kafer , i born christian and i die as a christian. deal with it
آخه لامصب!
من نمیدونم تو چقدر ادبیات فارسی حالیته، ولی خدایی یه اصطلاحی مثل این رو هر خری که یکم فارسی بلده، میدونه. چرا بجای اینکه اصل مطلب این ضربالمثل رو بگیری، به فرعش میپردازی؟؟! اصلا اشتباهت هم لفظی بود، نه معنایی! اینجا کافر یعنی فرد بداندیش و کوته نظر، نه از نظر دینی! من کاری با مسیحی بودن تو ندارم.
یکم منطقی باش! من از عمد فارسی مینویسم که بدونی یه اصطلاح، ضربالمثل و یا شعر نوشتم، ولی خدایی چطور تونستی اینجوری اشتباه کنی؟؟ اگه واقعا این چیزایی که مینویسم رو نمیفهمی، میتونی راحت سرچش کنی. نمیدونم چت جی پی تی اینقدر باهوش هست که بفهمه یا نه، ولی اگه با سرچ نتونستی، بنظرم با چت جی پی تی هم امتحان کن.
>i am not a nihilist, i just hate humanity as a whole
به بز گفتن شاخ داری؟ گفت نه، پیچ دارم!
>god you are sad and you are trying too much for idk...
Now I'm the sad one?
I'm just here for war, analysis, news and so on... Understand??
>>393326
>I don't think Trump is going to do it. If he were...
Both Trump and Netanyahu want regime change, but Trump wants to end the regime, while Netanyahu wants to end Iran.
Unlike Netanyahu, Trump needs a stable Iran for alliance(Rimland strategy), which is exactly what Netanyahu doesn't want.
>Except the era of those assholes being popular has...
Maybe that's why Trump wants the regime change to come from inside.
He probably believes he can convince the Iranian people to bring it down themselves.(But this war made things harder for him and delayed regime change, because people shifted into defending their homeland.)
>Yeah, I know. He's a Zionist shabbos goy. This has...
Trump, as much as possible, tries to avoid going to war.
A direct war would only be a loss for the U.S.
That "Trillion-dollar Glasses" would only bring America more damage.(I explained about it below)
>>393327
Don't get hyped so fast. He always says this shit. There won't be anything about it.
You're just now getting familiar with his speeches, this isn't anything new.
Also, you seem pretty detached from reality.
As they say: never trust the weapon in your hand or get cocky about it, yet that's exactly what you are doing.
You think your military hasn't thought this through?
If they could, they would have attacked Iran at the first opportunity.
A naval war?? Have you even read about Iran's navy?
Sure, it might seem weaker in some ways, but you should do some proper research.
If it ever happens, this war will look more like the spanish Armada.
My advice: learn more before posting smug memes.
Last time before Ferdo, you just crashed your helicopters in Tabas by yourselves!(really how?!)
Your military knows a war with Iran would be worse than Vietnam. That's why Trump's doing everything he can to avoid it.
I have actually developed a theory I call "Trillion-dollar Glasses", a lens the west was forced to wear after ww2, when most kikes betrayed the eastern bloc and joined the west.
These glasses are on your face now, and they distort your perception of almost every situation.
Most of the cold war conflicts and after it, Vietnam, Cuba, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, all came from this flawed vision that kikes handed you.
Your belief that the middle east is a "danger zone"?
That's not reality, it's a delusion created after you shoved your heads up the middle east's ass. Then you made it dangerous.
You don't even know your enemy. That's why you can't really win.
These glasses have already cost you trillions and will cost even more.
You don't know the middle east, the kikes do, but you don't. And you always walk into war with pride, until you get hit with reality and start whining.
These glasses have made you arrogant, clueless, and blind when it comes to war.
You think you're saving the world, when in fact, you're the one who caused the mess.
Half-cleaning up your own disasters isn't "saving" anything.
These glasses made you believe islam is violent, when before these glasses, you didn't even see this kind of violence.
They turned christians against each other over stupid secondary issues, while the core of their faith faded away.
They even made you believe judaism= zionism.
And now you're proudly shouting "I hate kikes!", thinking you're not being manipulated?
That's like saying you hate the chinese, while posting that comment from a device made entirely in China. China doesn't care, as long as you're helping their economy.
Same with the kikes.
They don't care if you hate them or not, as long as your money ends up in their pockets and your worldview is exactly what they want.
So yeah, go ahead, shout "America First!"
You have only just noticed there's something sitting on your nose,
but by the time you realize it's a pair of glasses and not your actual sight,
it'll be too late. The kikes will have already upgraded them into "Quadrillion-dollar Glasses", and their prophecy of world control will be complete.
Take those damn glasses off.
They have made you arrogant, brainwashed, and incapable of thinking straight.
Since ww2, after total jewish infiltration,
U.S have become a dumb tool in one pointless war after another, and it gained nothing from any of them.
So don't get cocky.
This naval war you're dreaming about?
It'll hurt both sides(but mostly you) and wreck the global oil supply while it's at it.
>>393328
I hadn't seen that before, but honestly, it's true, he really does look like a cod villain.
But seriously, what the hell is this guy even supposed to be?
I tried watching some of his videos, but all I saw was a bunch of ZOG bullshits and "restless hand syndrome"crap.
Is that basically what he is overall?
>>393329
AI made his accent sound like a 110 years old pajeet who just chewed tobacco and is now trying to force out English.
AI still has a long way to go.
>>393335
>>393337
>>393340
Bro, you literally told me a few messages ago to stop arguing with him, and now you're arguing with him?
Just drop it. After reading his latest bullshits, I'm pretty sure this pedo either lives in some alternate timeline or just looks at history pictures without actually knowing anything and his strategic mind is weaker than the noobiest HOI4 player out there.
Forget it, he's completely lost it.
>>393339
I just realized that arab really not worth arguing with at all.
Btw, arabs are Semitic, not Aryan.
>>393341
I'm just thinking about how much content is gonna come out of this war…
>>393342
What you said is like the Joker poisoning all of Gotham with his gas and then saying:
"I guess this city is full of crazies…"
Yeah, this is one the effects of "Trillion-dollar Glasses".
>>393344
>>393345
At some point, I need to talk about a part of Iran's history, politics, and society. Feels like there's a lot of wrong info out there.
But honestly, I really don't feel like writing it right now.
>>393347
>i think nowadays that the same strategy does not needed anymore
That's exactly what the U.S wants to do again when it comes to Iran.
And I'm telling you right now, if the regime were to fall today and a pro-american gov took over, two or three generations after that would get a deeply anti-american population.
(Don't ask why, just think about history a little.)
>i guess ameica is tired of islami terrorists
Unfortunately, this whole "Trillion-dollar Glasses" has made the U.S incapable of learning. Even right now, Trump is considering lifting sanctions on Syria just because of Tahrir al-sham.
Nothing has really changed.
>about israel , i think they - specially nethanyahoo's zahoonist party- do need a fake ass...
As for israel, the entire state is built on zionism, so saying "Netanyahu's Zionist party" kinda feels meaningless.
But yeah, like I said before, israel (especially Bibi) needs an enemy to justify its own existence. And if there isn't one, they'll make one up.
They haven't assassinated Khamenei yet because they know if he's gone, someone way more radical will take his place, probably someone who wouldn't hesitate to order a nuclear strike on israel.
(which is ironic, because the reason Iran's nuke program is moving slowly is because of Khamenei himself. Weird how it's him the Zionists should actually be thankful for!)
>Islamic republic scared...
Originally, it was Iraq that tried to take on Iran, but after Saddam attacked and got pushed back (and don't give me that "it was a tie" BS, even a guy playing Risk knows if you attack and fail to gain anything, that's a loss), the war scared the arab world, and they ran to israel for protection.
>yeah i think US needs to stop listening to UK's plan
In reality, it was Britain that first tried to manage all this, and when it couldn't, it dumped the responsibility on America, and America kept pushing forward until itself became infected with the ZOG virus.
Sadly, the U.S still hasn't found a cure for it.
>side note
You could say that Britain was actually helping Germany before* ww2.
It was even the British who, in the first place, encouraged Reza shah to build good relations with the Germans, something that eventually made Reza shah even more eager about it than the British themselves.
>>393349
>Yes, this was how the policy of "appeasement" got...
Yeah, Britain started this fire, and then burned in it too.
>The United States probably would not have even gotten involved in...
In my opinion, Pearl Harbor was what you may call a "passive false flag", kind of like October 7th for israel.
They knew the enemy was going to attack, but let it happen to create an excuse.
The U.S probably saw it coming, they had already moved some of their expensive gear and aircraft carriers out of the base before the attack. That's a bit suspicious.
>America was aggressively uninterested in what was...
There were basically three main reasons:
The U.S needed access to Middle Eastern oil and gas.
Israel, as a U.S proxy(and ZOG virus), needed its enemies in the region to be weakened.
And the Middle East was a key piece in the Rimland strategy.
>>393350
Overall, Britain messed up a lot over the past 150 years, and much of the world (including Britain itself) is still dealing with the consequences.
>>393351
Their mistake was underestimating Hitler, and he took advantage of that. But in the end, Hitler made a mistake and bit off more than he could chew. He could have handled the invasions of Britain and the USSR much more effectively, but he didn't.
And yes, he was always right about kikes.
(This AI is really better than that one.)
>>393352
I'm still wondering what exactly caused France to fall so quickly.
>>393353
Three major screw-ups that weakened Germany big time:
_They hit the USSR too early instead of wrapping things up in the west first, rookie mistake.
_Iran fell because of Reza shah's political and civil blunders (long story), which opened the way for the Allies to boost the Soviets directly and keep them alive.
_Operation Gunnerside, a bunch of commandos messed up Nazi Germany's nuke project. Pretty based.
Honestly, Pearl Harbor wasn't even needed for the U.S to get involved. They could have played their part quietly without going full "we declare war", but America wanted a bigger slice of the pie and played it more cautiously.
>>393354
Like I said, the U.S needed a passive false flag to justify grabbing a bigger piece of the pie and covering its own ass at the same time.
>>393355
What really matters is the intention and the spirit.
>>393357
>No one ever called him a liar once
Basically, he wasn't really telling any big lies. Whatever lies people blame him for mostly came from those around him, he just ended up being the face of the lies.
AI made his accent sound like a 110 years old pajeet who just chewed tobacco and is now trying to force out English.
AI still has a long way to go.
>>393335
>>393337
>>393340
Bro, you literally told me a few messages ago to stop arguing with him, and now you're arguing with him?
Just drop it. After reading his latest bullshits, I'm pretty sure this pedo either lives in some alternate timeline or just looks at history pictures without actually knowing anything and his strategic mind is weaker than the noobiest HOI4 player out there.
Forget it, he's completely lost it.
>>393339
I just realized that arab really not worth arguing with at all.
Btw, arabs are Semitic, not Aryan.
>>393341
I'm just thinking about how much content is gonna come out of this war…
>>393342
What you said is like the Joker poisoning all of Gotham with his gas and then saying:
"I guess this city is full of crazies…"
Yeah, this is one the effects of "Trillion-dollar Glasses".
>>393344
>>393345
At some point, I need to talk about a part of Iran's history, politics, and society. Feels like there's a lot of wrong info out there.
But honestly, I really don't feel like writing it right now.
>>393347
>i think nowadays that the same strategy does not needed anymore
That's exactly what the U.S wants to do again when it comes to Iran.
And I'm telling you right now, if the regime were to fall today and a pro-american gov took over, two or three generations after that would get a deeply anti-american population.
(Don't ask why, just think about history a little.)
>i guess ameica is tired of islami terrorists
Unfortunately, this whole "Trillion-dollar Glasses" has made the U.S incapable of learning. Even right now, Trump is considering lifting sanctions on Syria just because of Tahrir al-sham.
Nothing has really changed.
>about israel , i think they - specially nethanyahoo's zahoonist party- do need a fake ass...
As for israel, the entire state is built on zionism, so saying "Netanyahu's Zionist party" kinda feels meaningless.
But yeah, like I said before, israel (especially Bibi) needs an enemy to justify its own existence. And if there isn't one, they'll make one up.
They haven't assassinated Khamenei yet because they know if he's gone, someone way more radical will take his place, probably someone who wouldn't hesitate to order a nuclear strike on israel.
(which is ironic, because the reason Iran's nuke program is moving slowly is because of Khamenei himself. Weird how it's him the Zionists should actually be thankful for!)
>Islamic republic scared...
Originally, it was Iraq that tried to take on Iran, but after Saddam attacked and got pushed back (and don't give me that "it was a tie" BS, even a guy playing Risk knows if you attack and fail to gain anything, that's a loss), the war scared the arab world, and they ran to israel for protection.
>yeah i think US needs to stop listening to UK's plan
In reality, it was Britain that first tried to manage all this, and when it couldn't, it dumped the responsibility on America, and America kept pushing forward until itself became infected with the ZOG virus.
Sadly, the U.S still hasn't found a cure for it.
>side note
You could say that Britain was actually helping Germany before* ww2.
It was even the British who, in the first place, encouraged Reza shah to build good relations with the Germans, something that eventually made Reza shah even more eager about it than the British themselves.
>>393349
>Yes, this was how the policy of "appeasement" got...
Yeah, Britain started this fire, and then burned in it too.
>The United States probably would not have even gotten involved in...
In my opinion, Pearl Harbor was what you may call a "passive false flag", kind of like October 7th for israel.
They knew the enemy was going to attack, but let it happen to create an excuse.
The U.S probably saw it coming, they had already moved some of their expensive gear and aircraft carriers out of the base before the attack. That's a bit suspicious.
>America was aggressively uninterested in what was...
There were basically three main reasons:
The U.S needed access to Middle Eastern oil and gas.
Israel, as a U.S proxy(and ZOG virus), needed its enemies in the region to be weakened.
And the Middle East was a key piece in the Rimland strategy.
>>393350
Overall, Britain messed up a lot over the past 150 years, and much of the world (including Britain itself) is still dealing with the consequences.
>>393351
Their mistake was underestimating Hitler, and he took advantage of that. But in the end, Hitler made a mistake and bit off more than he could chew. He could have handled the invasions of Britain and the USSR much more effectively, but he didn't.
And yes, he was always right about kikes.
(This AI is really better than that one.)
>>393352
I'm still wondering what exactly caused France to fall so quickly.
>>393353
Three major screw-ups that weakened Germany big time:
_They hit the USSR too early instead of wrapping things up in the west first, rookie mistake.
_Iran fell because of Reza shah's political and civil blunders (long story), which opened the way for the Allies to boost the Soviets directly and keep them alive.
_Operation Gunnerside, a bunch of commandos messed up Nazi Germany's nuke project. Pretty based.
Honestly, Pearl Harbor wasn't even needed for the U.S to get involved. They could have played their part quietly without going full "we declare war", but America wanted a bigger slice of the pie and played it more cautiously.
>>393354
Like I said, the U.S needed a passive false flag to justify grabbing a bigger piece of the pie and covering its own ass at the same time.
>>393355
What really matters is the intention and the spirit.
>>393357
>No one ever called him a liar once
Basically, he wasn't really telling any big lies. Whatever lies people blame him for mostly came from those around him, he just ended up being the face of the lies.
>>393358
I'd say 70% influence. Trump still has his own plan, though he kinda reminds me of Dutch's plans...
>>393359
America knows it can't just launch an attack like that. Right now, just wait... time will do the rest.
>>393360
Netanyahu is a dumbass, and Trump is trying to make him realize that and trust his plan, but he's doing it in a dumbass way too.
>>393361
Based, but he has chosen the worst possible path.
>>393362
I don't think Iran has the strongest navy, but it definitely has the trickiest. Fast small boats, naval mines, and drones give Iran high maneuverability against large, heavy American vessels, kind of like the U.K vs Spain in the Armada.
And honestly, I'm not sure, but aside from submarines, most surface fleets are pretty exposed and clear targets at sea. On the other hand, Iran's launchers in the southern part of the country can target them. As we know, israel hasn't launched major or widespread attacks on them(in south), and most of them haven't been directly threatened. Also, those launchers can fire more diverse missiles due to the shorter distance. I doubt the U.S would want to fight Iran in this kind of war. (Not to mention, this kind of war would likely trigger direct Chinese involvement.)
Also, I don't think there's even a need to destroy tankers. One of my acquaintances, who is a commercial ship captain, told me that tankers are so much more valuable than the oil they carry that even a slight risk of danger makes the owners keep them safe rather than take a chance and move the oil. They're extremely expensive, and just the threat of closing the strait of Hormuz or hitting even one tanker could freeze traffic entirely. Nobody would dare go through.
However, if Iran acts selectively and the U.S responds by stopping all ships, it could actually play in Iran's favor, because then it will appear, especially to Iran's allies, that Iran was the "reasonable" actor just trying to help, while the "bad guys" are harassing everyone. That could push friendly nations to take more active stances in support of Iran.
And yes, no one really benefits from closing the strait of Hormuz. The real fight is over who loses more.
If it really escalates, because of shared interests, this either turns into ww3, or if U.S pride breaks, they'll be forced to back down, though that seems unlikely.
Either way, if this war actually happens, it will harm israel the most, because their interests will suffer regardless. That's why they want regime change before any actual war.
Trump is trying to, as the saying goes, neither shoot, nor feed, nor free the bird, a kind of indecision just to buy time until the regime changes. But the big issue is that he misunderstands the Iranian people. They're not so stupid that they can't tell the difference between a political/regime threat and an existential/national one.
Iranians mostly fall into a gray zone(apolitical), tired of politics and more concerned about their usual lives.(plus, a regime born from revolution knows how to close off the same paths that brought it to power, so this regime won't fall easily, especially now that the people are more nationalistic).
Chances are, Trump won't be able to fully satisfy his own supporters either.
>One of my friends noticed, that for one of Nimitz–class carriers, which directed to Persian Gulf, this is last voyage. They scheduled replacement for 2026 year. Another Liberty-level happening possible.
I don't think the U.S wants to destroy that ship. A false flag would be the dumbest way to start a war. People are way more familiar with that concept now, and there's deep distrust about the reasons used to start wars. I don't think any justification would work well enough this time.
This war is already at a bad stage, and it's moving fast. I don't think it will end until something major happens.
Right now, everything depends on the next steps taken in the war. At this point, it looks like we're just preparing for round 2.
>your pic
In fact, this war also showed that the kikes, contrary to what they portray, aren't actually that smart. They only pretend to be intelligent in order to appear invincible.
I'd say 70% influence. Trump still has his own plan, though he kinda reminds me of Dutch's plans...
>>393359
America knows it can't just launch an attack like that. Right now, just wait... time will do the rest.
>>393360
Netanyahu is a dumbass, and Trump is trying to make him realize that and trust his plan, but he's doing it in a dumbass way too.
>>393361
Based, but he has chosen the worst possible path.
>>393362
I don't think Iran has the strongest navy, but it definitely has the trickiest. Fast small boats, naval mines, and drones give Iran high maneuverability against large, heavy American vessels, kind of like the U.K vs Spain in the Armada.
And honestly, I'm not sure, but aside from submarines, most surface fleets are pretty exposed and clear targets at sea. On the other hand, Iran's launchers in the southern part of the country can target them. As we know, israel hasn't launched major or widespread attacks on them(in south), and most of them haven't been directly threatened. Also, those launchers can fire more diverse missiles due to the shorter distance. I doubt the U.S would want to fight Iran in this kind of war. (Not to mention, this kind of war would likely trigger direct Chinese involvement.)
Also, I don't think there's even a need to destroy tankers. One of my acquaintances, who is a commercial ship captain, told me that tankers are so much more valuable than the oil they carry that even a slight risk of danger makes the owners keep them safe rather than take a chance and move the oil. They're extremely expensive, and just the threat of closing the strait of Hormuz or hitting even one tanker could freeze traffic entirely. Nobody would dare go through.
However, if Iran acts selectively and the U.S responds by stopping all ships, it could actually play in Iran's favor, because then it will appear, especially to Iran's allies, that Iran was the "reasonable" actor just trying to help, while the "bad guys" are harassing everyone. That could push friendly nations to take more active stances in support of Iran.
And yes, no one really benefits from closing the strait of Hormuz. The real fight is over who loses more.
If it really escalates, because of shared interests, this either turns into ww3, or if U.S pride breaks, they'll be forced to back down, though that seems unlikely.
Either way, if this war actually happens, it will harm israel the most, because their interests will suffer regardless. That's why they want regime change before any actual war.
Trump is trying to, as the saying goes, neither shoot, nor feed, nor free the bird, a kind of indecision just to buy time until the regime changes. But the big issue is that he misunderstands the Iranian people. They're not so stupid that they can't tell the difference between a political/regime threat and an existential/national one.
Iranians mostly fall into a gray zone(apolitical), tired of politics and more concerned about their usual lives.(plus, a regime born from revolution knows how to close off the same paths that brought it to power, so this regime won't fall easily, especially now that the people are more nationalistic).
Chances are, Trump won't be able to fully satisfy his own supporters either.
>One of my friends noticed, that for one of Nimitz–class carriers, which directed to Persian Gulf, this is last voyage. They scheduled replacement for 2026 year. Another Liberty-level happening possible.
I don't think the U.S wants to destroy that ship. A false flag would be the dumbest way to start a war. People are way more familiar with that concept now, and there's deep distrust about the reasons used to start wars. I don't think any justification would work well enough this time.
This war is already at a bad stage, and it's moving fast. I don't think it will end until something major happens.
Right now, everything depends on the next steps taken in the war. At this point, it looks like we're just preparing for round 2.
>your pic
In fact, this war also showed that the kikes, contrary to what they portray, aren't actually that smart. They only pretend to be intelligent in order to appear invincible.
>>393363
>I was quite impressed by this, but shamed at...
Actually, at the beginning, I didn't expect the opposition as a whole to become anti-israel.
I thought I would probably be one of the few people who, for national reasons, would be forced to side with the regime.
But then, things seemed to change. I'm a member of many telegram groups, both pro-regime and opposition. I'm fairly active in both.
I also have two twitter accounts, one tuned to show me mostly opposition content, and the other more from regime supporters.
The interesting thing was that in both accounts, suddenly about two-thirds of the opposition became strongly anti-israel and began defending the country.
The majority of these were liberals and nationalist republicans, monarchists were the least among them.
Of course, this is what I observed on twitter, on telegram, almost everyone was pro-Iran or at worst, remained silent.
It was rare to see anyone openly supporting the israeli attack, and when they did, they were usually heavily attacked by others.
In my opinion, twitter is full of cyber actors who amplify both sides, especially monarchists in the opposition, and also the regime's own media agents.
But one thing was clear: nearly all real monarchists changed their stance, and those whose opinions didn't change were usually copy-pasting coordinated talking points, often with a Star of David in their profile.
When I say regime change isn't possible right now, it's because during this war, many opposition members sided with Iran, while no one from the regime's side switched to support israel.
So basically, the number of pro-israel opposition shrank, and those who remained are just retweeting each other and repeating scripted messages to seem bigger than they really are. Their dishonesty is quite obvious.
We Iranians believe that people reveal their true selves during travel, but it turns out, war does that too.
This war showed the difference between a sincere opposition figure who loves Iran and a full-blown traitor.
Even my thermo professor, an extremely monarchist boomer who sometimes made political comments in class (no one ever reported him, everyone weren't that petty), surprised me.
I expected him to be sitting, waiting for the regime to collapse so the monarchy could return.
But a few days ago, when I had to get a report on an old paper from him, I found out he had stayed in Tehran the entire time.
I asked him: "Why didn't you leave the city for a while?"
He said: "Why should I? What's the news?"
I said: "Israel might have bombed your neighborhood."
He said: "So let them! The bastards think I'll abandon my home because of them?"
Then I asked: "Israel wants to crown Reza Pahlavi II as king. Why are you talking against israel?" (I wanted to test him).
He answered: "To hell with that! Yeah, sometimes Reza Pahlavi says stupid things, but since when do people like me need a bunch of foreigners to help us? What, we're crippled now?? This will pass, and Reza Pahlavi will understand that the only ones he can trust are his own people. We'll bring the king back by ourselves, not let a bunch of foreigners dare do it!"
Honestly, this was shocking and interesting to me, because he was extremely radical, and I didn't expect that kind of response.
But now I think other monarchists may think this way too.
And about you, I would say your gov is lucky to have such cowardly opposition.
This kind of opposition will never be able to change any regime.
>Do you heard about fourth generations of Ibn Khaldun?
Oh yes! One of my friends who studies sociology had told me about this topic.
Though I had almost forgotten it, thanks for the reminder.
And I think, in order to reverse or slow down this cycle, a war needs to happen at the right time and place. In such a case, civilization somehow recharges itself.
>Looks like Iran was attacked, when second generation of soldiers...
In fact, since they didn't attack the 4th generation, they ended up pushing the third generation closer to the second, and the second to the first.
As I mentioned before, this made Iranians more patriotic and aware.
Those sandniggers have never been true allies of Iran. They have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and cowardly, even from Iran's own perspective. Iran has never seriously counted on them. (In this very war, they were practically lined up behind the U.S and israel.)
Iraq is part of the same group. There's only Sistani, who supports Iran. Maybe, if he issues a fatwa, he could rally a large number of people to support Iran, but the biggest obstacle is the cowardly Iraqi gov.
(As I write this, you're now involved in a conflict with Azerbaijan.)
Azerbaijan has never had a good relationship with Iran. Many of israel's attacks came via Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan is practically ZOG.
Even during the Armenia–Azerbaijan war, while Iran tried to remain neutral, it ultimately preferred Armenia, despite Azerbaijan being a "Muslim" country, due to ethnic and political reasons.
In reality, right now, Iran is on its own, just Iran and itself.
>I was quite impressed by this, but shamed at...
Actually, at the beginning, I didn't expect the opposition as a whole to become anti-israel.
I thought I would probably be one of the few people who, for national reasons, would be forced to side with the regime.
But then, things seemed to change. I'm a member of many telegram groups, both pro-regime and opposition. I'm fairly active in both.
I also have two twitter accounts, one tuned to show me mostly opposition content, and the other more from regime supporters.
The interesting thing was that in both accounts, suddenly about two-thirds of the opposition became strongly anti-israel and began defending the country.
The majority of these were liberals and nationalist republicans, monarchists were the least among them.
Of course, this is what I observed on twitter, on telegram, almost everyone was pro-Iran or at worst, remained silent.
It was rare to see anyone openly supporting the israeli attack, and when they did, they were usually heavily attacked by others.
In my opinion, twitter is full of cyber actors who amplify both sides, especially monarchists in the opposition, and also the regime's own media agents.
But one thing was clear: nearly all real monarchists changed their stance, and those whose opinions didn't change were usually copy-pasting coordinated talking points, often with a Star of David in their profile.
When I say regime change isn't possible right now, it's because during this war, many opposition members sided with Iran, while no one from the regime's side switched to support israel.
So basically, the number of pro-israel opposition shrank, and those who remained are just retweeting each other and repeating scripted messages to seem bigger than they really are. Their dishonesty is quite obvious.
We Iranians believe that people reveal their true selves during travel, but it turns out, war does that too.
This war showed the difference between a sincere opposition figure who loves Iran and a full-blown traitor.
Even my thermo professor, an extremely monarchist boomer who sometimes made political comments in class (no one ever reported him, everyone weren't that petty), surprised me.
I expected him to be sitting, waiting for the regime to collapse so the monarchy could return.
But a few days ago, when I had to get a report on an old paper from him, I found out he had stayed in Tehran the entire time.
I asked him: "Why didn't you leave the city for a while?"
He said: "Why should I? What's the news?"
I said: "Israel might have bombed your neighborhood."
He said: "So let them! The bastards think I'll abandon my home because of them?"
Then I asked: "Israel wants to crown Reza Pahlavi II as king. Why are you talking against israel?" (I wanted to test him).
He answered: "To hell with that! Yeah, sometimes Reza Pahlavi says stupid things, but since when do people like me need a bunch of foreigners to help us? What, we're crippled now?? This will pass, and Reza Pahlavi will understand that the only ones he can trust are his own people. We'll bring the king back by ourselves, not let a bunch of foreigners dare do it!"
Honestly, this was shocking and interesting to me, because he was extremely radical, and I didn't expect that kind of response.
But now I think other monarchists may think this way too.
And about you, I would say your gov is lucky to have such cowardly opposition.
This kind of opposition will never be able to change any regime.
>Do you heard about fourth generations of Ibn Khaldun?
Oh yes! One of my friends who studies sociology had told me about this topic.
Though I had almost forgotten it, thanks for the reminder.
And I think, in order to reverse or slow down this cycle, a war needs to happen at the right time and place. In such a case, civilization somehow recharges itself.
>Looks like Iran was attacked, when second generation of soldiers...
In fact, since they didn't attack the 4th generation, they ended up pushing the third generation closer to the second, and the second to the first.
As I mentioned before, this made Iranians more patriotic and aware.
Those sandniggers have never been true allies of Iran. They have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and cowardly, even from Iran's own perspective. Iran has never seriously counted on them. (In this very war, they were practically lined up behind the U.S and israel.)
Iraq is part of the same group. There's only Sistani, who supports Iran. Maybe, if he issues a fatwa, he could rally a large number of people to support Iran, but the biggest obstacle is the cowardly Iraqi gov.
(As I write this, you're now involved in a conflict with Azerbaijan.)
Azerbaijan has never had a good relationship with Iran. Many of israel's attacks came via Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan is practically ZOG.
Even during the Armenia–Azerbaijan war, while Iran tried to remain neutral, it ultimately preferred Armenia, despite Azerbaijan being a "Muslim" country, due to ethnic and political reasons.
In reality, right now, Iran is on its own, just Iran and itself.
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>>393363
I believe Iran has a kind of imperial spirit with a national-spiritual essence.
Iranians generally possess a particular pride and strong sense of identity, but this doesn't translate into arrogance or a superiority complex. It's something that has allowed various ethnic groups to live together peacefully while still preserving their own identities.
Just look at the image, these are the ethnicities that represent the majority and distribution of Iran's population (of course, there are also smaller subgroups not mentioned here).
In my opinion, this isn't something particularly difficult to understand. It might seem complicated for the west and the east, but I think that's because they tend to complicate simple matters and oversimplify complex ones. That's why so many people there are caught up in DEI issues, while Iranians, without making it a big deal, naturally resolved these matters years ago. It surprises outsiders that such issues aren't a concern within Iran.
I believe this stems from both a strength and a weakness of Iranians: we make friends easily and become enemies only with difficulty.
As a result, there's very little national hatred or collective resentment in Iran. When it exists, it's usually aimed at a specific individual or group. You would have to cause serious harm to be hated by Iranians as a whole.
For example, many Iranians say they "hate arabs", but in reality, they treat Arab individuals (and people of other ethnicities) quite kindly. If you ask them to clarify exactly which arabs they hate, most will point to govs and regimes, not the people themselves. The same goes for America. Don't pay too much attention to what the regime says or what your media shows. In truth, Iranians hold no special hatred toward the people of western or eastern countries.
Even those who chant "Death to America", if you ask them what exactly they mean by "America", you'll find that they're really cursing the U.S government, not its people. The same, to a large extent (unfortunately), applies to israel. During this war, many Iranians expressed concern that it would harm both themselves and israeli civilians, a kind of sympathy that, in my opinion, is misguided, because the people of israel don't share this feeling in return.
Of course, anti-kikes sentiments have been growing lately, but unfortunately, they haven't yet reached widespread acceptance.
No matter how hard the regime tries, it hasn't been able to manufacture true nationwide hatred through slogans alone. And if these foreign countries were to cease their hostility, threats, and sanctions for just one year, even the regime would be forced to abandon its slogans, because the few people still repeating them would lose interest.
Even now, you can noticeably see that the "Death to America" chants have declined, and there's more focus on "Death to israel." Hatred is now increasingly aimed at Trump rather than the whole of America.
This unique Iranian trait helps explain why the people of Iran don't hold deep grudges toward each other or toward their neighbors. If Iranians didn't have this characteristic, you would have seen something much harsher and more radical than Nazi Germany arise in Iran long ago, but that never happened.
In the end, I believe there's a special national and spiritual concept in Iran that enables Iranians to endure hardships with resilience.
(I had to use some complex words to better convey my point.)
I believe Iran has a kind of imperial spirit with a national-spiritual essence.
Iranians generally possess a particular pride and strong sense of identity, but this doesn't translate into arrogance or a superiority complex. It's something that has allowed various ethnic groups to live together peacefully while still preserving their own identities.
Just look at the image, these are the ethnicities that represent the majority and distribution of Iran's population (of course, there are also smaller subgroups not mentioned here).
In my opinion, this isn't something particularly difficult to understand. It might seem complicated for the west and the east, but I think that's because they tend to complicate simple matters and oversimplify complex ones. That's why so many people there are caught up in DEI issues, while Iranians, without making it a big deal, naturally resolved these matters years ago. It surprises outsiders that such issues aren't a concern within Iran.
I believe this stems from both a strength and a weakness of Iranians: we make friends easily and become enemies only with difficulty.
As a result, there's very little national hatred or collective resentment in Iran. When it exists, it's usually aimed at a specific individual or group. You would have to cause serious harm to be hated by Iranians as a whole.
For example, many Iranians say they "hate arabs", but in reality, they treat Arab individuals (and people of other ethnicities) quite kindly. If you ask them to clarify exactly which arabs they hate, most will point to govs and regimes, not the people themselves. The same goes for America. Don't pay too much attention to what the regime says or what your media shows. In truth, Iranians hold no special hatred toward the people of western or eastern countries.
Even those who chant "Death to America", if you ask them what exactly they mean by "America", you'll find that they're really cursing the U.S government, not its people. The same, to a large extent (unfortunately), applies to israel. During this war, many Iranians expressed concern that it would harm both themselves and israeli civilians, a kind of sympathy that, in my opinion, is misguided, because the people of israel don't share this feeling in return.
Of course, anti-kikes sentiments have been growing lately, but unfortunately, they haven't yet reached widespread acceptance.
No matter how hard the regime tries, it hasn't been able to manufacture true nationwide hatred through slogans alone. And if these foreign countries were to cease their hostility, threats, and sanctions for just one year, even the regime would be forced to abandon its slogans, because the few people still repeating them would lose interest.
Even now, you can noticeably see that the "Death to America" chants have declined, and there's more focus on "Death to israel." Hatred is now increasingly aimed at Trump rather than the whole of America.
This unique Iranian trait helps explain why the people of Iran don't hold deep grudges toward each other or toward their neighbors. If Iranians didn't have this characteristic, you would have seen something much harsher and more radical than Nazi Germany arise in Iran long ago, but that never happened.
In the end, I believe there's a special national and spiritual concept in Iran that enables Iranians to endure hardships with resilience.
(I had to use some complex words to better convey my point.)
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>>393363
>It's quite sad, that Russia don't have political culture of protests like Iran or France...
In fact, we're somewhere in the middle.
We usually protest only when it really hurts, whether civil protests or labor strikes. (Although labor protests do happen more often.)
Honestly, whenever you see us protesting, it means the knife has hit the bone and we can't stand it any longer.
We're always amazed by the protests in europe(like in Paris or Brussels) over the smallest issues. We joke that if we acted like them, we would be out in the streets protesting every single day!
Labor strikes rarely turn into full-scale uprisings here, and unlike europeans, we don't usually aim fire hoses at government buildings! Most of our protests are peaceful, and after a few days or weeks(if we get serious enough) the blind gov might finally wake up and do something.
But civil protests are something else entirely. The 2009, 2019, and 2022–23 uprisings are prime examples. They're far more intense and fundamental, but unfortunately they always get hijacked by selfish insiders and foreign actors. At first, these movements are genuinely grassroots and full of hope for real regime change, but after a while, opportunists looking to make a quick profit, plus outside interference, steer them off course. That repels the regular people and leaves only a bunch of hormonal keyboard warriors or 2-digit IQ hustlers.
The regime plans for this, so protests lose their true legitimacy and become pointless. I keep reminding myself: never let foreigners meddle in our affairs (because it's none of their business), and never let opportunists exploit our demonstrations. You must keep protests clean and truly popular, something that sadly didn't happen.
Of course, we don't have a real, home-grown political leader. So in every protest, some clown (see the pic) issues a "declaration" and crowns himself the self-appointed leader, even though he has zero ability, doesn't live in Iran, has no real connection to our people's suffering, and literally has no agency of his own. (He even kissed the wailing wall!)
So without a real leader, our protests always end up mocked and dismissed.
A leader must be among the people, within society and the country, and must have experienced the hardships of the people.
As a famous Iranian rapper once said: The more crushed the flower, the stronger the scent.
Personal anecdote from the December 2022 "Three-day call to protest" (Dec 5–7):
On the first night, I went out and realized most of the people ready to protest were just a bunch of naive, excited teenagers. I tried to guide them, telling them not to pick a needless fight with riot police, but instead to draw more people into the demonstrations. They didn't care. When tear gas hit, we had to set a trash can on fire just to keep the gas from reaching us.
One of them suddenly shouted a profanity against islam in the middle of our chants. I grabbed his mouth and threatened, "With that crap, you’re only insulting people's beliefs and driving them away. Grow up and stick to relevant slogans, if you say bullshit again, I'll throw you into that flaming bin and let you burn with it." That calmed things down for a bit, and a few people attracted by sounds and the firelight joined us. But then some idiots pulled out fireworks to throw at the police and escalate things further. I tried stopping them(cause needless violence only scares people off) but they wouldn't listen. Soon enough, one guy lobbed a firecracker at the cops, then the rest did the same. The police charged in and arrested many of us. I managed to slip away, but after that night I realized these protests had become ridiculous and completely off-track. I stayed home for the next two days and rest of it.
Later, seeing how a bunch of sleazy opportunists tried to cash in on the movement, I knew it was dead and had zero chance of succeeding.
>Thanks to war connections between nation and government...
Yes, every regime prefers for a war to happen so it can present itself as being in the right. The same applies to us as well.
>>393365
He completely misunderstood what I said, and you also didn't really get what he meant.
But anyway, the reason Iran is so often mentioned in the media is mostly because of its impact on regional and global politics, which is often brought up by your politicians and echoed in your media.
When ordinary people talk about Iran, they don't really know much about it, only what their politicians have told them.
This trillion-dollar glasses is on most people's eyes.
Maybe Iran gets talked about 15 times more than Indonesia, but people honestly know just as little about Iran as they do about Indonesia.
>>393370
>>393374
As I said, it was a passive false flag.
>>393371
Kinda feel bad for him. He wants to do something, but he doesn't really know how to do it.
>>393376
>>393380
Take this as a piece of advice from me:
In this war, both sides are censoring their own losses, so it's really hard to say who's actually taking the bigger hit, maybe Iran, maybe israel. But in my opinion, when israel pushes the U.S to get directly involved, it means something serious must have happened that forced israel's hand. I just want to keep that in mind, but I don't want to rush to judgment.
Maybe...
>>393377
Never trust Turks. They can never be truly reliable. That's why Iran prefers Armenia.
>It's quite sad, that Russia don't have political culture of protests like Iran or France...
In fact, we're somewhere in the middle.
We usually protest only when it really hurts, whether civil protests or labor strikes. (Although labor protests do happen more often.)
Honestly, whenever you see us protesting, it means the knife has hit the bone and we can't stand it any longer.
We're always amazed by the protests in europe(like in Paris or Brussels) over the smallest issues. We joke that if we acted like them, we would be out in the streets protesting every single day!
Labor strikes rarely turn into full-scale uprisings here, and unlike europeans, we don't usually aim fire hoses at government buildings! Most of our protests are peaceful, and after a few days or weeks(if we get serious enough) the blind gov might finally wake up and do something.
But civil protests are something else entirely. The 2009, 2019, and 2022–23 uprisings are prime examples. They're far more intense and fundamental, but unfortunately they always get hijacked by selfish insiders and foreign actors. At first, these movements are genuinely grassroots and full of hope for real regime change, but after a while, opportunists looking to make a quick profit, plus outside interference, steer them off course. That repels the regular people and leaves only a bunch of hormonal keyboard warriors or 2-digit IQ hustlers.
The regime plans for this, so protests lose their true legitimacy and become pointless. I keep reminding myself: never let foreigners meddle in our affairs (because it's none of their business), and never let opportunists exploit our demonstrations. You must keep protests clean and truly popular, something that sadly didn't happen.
Of course, we don't have a real, home-grown political leader. So in every protest, some clown (see the pic) issues a "declaration" and crowns himself the self-appointed leader, even though he has zero ability, doesn't live in Iran, has no real connection to our people's suffering, and literally has no agency of his own. (He even kissed the wailing wall!)
So without a real leader, our protests always end up mocked and dismissed.
A leader must be among the people, within society and the country, and must have experienced the hardships of the people.
As a famous Iranian rapper once said: The more crushed the flower, the stronger the scent.
Personal anecdote from the December 2022 "Three-day call to protest" (Dec 5–7):
On the first night, I went out and realized most of the people ready to protest were just a bunch of naive, excited teenagers. I tried to guide them, telling them not to pick a needless fight with riot police, but instead to draw more people into the demonstrations. They didn't care. When tear gas hit, we had to set a trash can on fire just to keep the gas from reaching us.
One of them suddenly shouted a profanity against islam in the middle of our chants. I grabbed his mouth and threatened, "With that crap, you’re only insulting people's beliefs and driving them away. Grow up and stick to relevant slogans, if you say bullshit again, I'll throw you into that flaming bin and let you burn with it." That calmed things down for a bit, and a few people attracted by sounds and the firelight joined us. But then some idiots pulled out fireworks to throw at the police and escalate things further. I tried stopping them(cause needless violence only scares people off) but they wouldn't listen. Soon enough, one guy lobbed a firecracker at the cops, then the rest did the same. The police charged in and arrested many of us. I managed to slip away, but after that night I realized these protests had become ridiculous and completely off-track. I stayed home for the next two days and rest of it.
Later, seeing how a bunch of sleazy opportunists tried to cash in on the movement, I knew it was dead and had zero chance of succeeding.
>Thanks to war connections between nation and government...
Yes, every regime prefers for a war to happen so it can present itself as being in the right. The same applies to us as well.
>>393365
He completely misunderstood what I said, and you also didn't really get what he meant.
But anyway, the reason Iran is so often mentioned in the media is mostly because of its impact on regional and global politics, which is often brought up by your politicians and echoed in your media.
When ordinary people talk about Iran, they don't really know much about it, only what their politicians have told them.
This trillion-dollar glasses is on most people's eyes.
Maybe Iran gets talked about 15 times more than Indonesia, but people honestly know just as little about Iran as they do about Indonesia.
>>393370
>>393374
As I said, it was a passive false flag.
>>393371
Kinda feel bad for him. He wants to do something, but he doesn't really know how to do it.
>>393376
>>393380
Take this as a piece of advice from me:
In this war, both sides are censoring their own losses, so it's really hard to say who's actually taking the bigger hit, maybe Iran, maybe israel. But in my opinion, when israel pushes the U.S to get directly involved, it means something serious must have happened that forced israel's hand. I just want to keep that in mind, but I don't want to rush to judgment.
Maybe...
>>393377
Never trust Turks. They can never be truly reliable. That's why Iran prefers Armenia.
>>393384
>no what i meant was that , it would not help iran in any shape or form
Am I even come here to help Iran? Like, how exactly am I supposed to help??
>reality is that the nationalism of the other guy kinda blinded him to accept iran lost with the most casualty and damages
First off, you're the blind one with the garbage sources you follow (yeah, you slipped up below and admitted you watch Iran kikenational).
Second, like I said earlier, I'm not one of those clueless people, I actually try to look at things logically.
When the news is all censored and full of propaganda, you gotta use your damn brain.
When israel pulls the U.S in, and the U.S is rushing to wrap things up just to boost israel, how the hell can you ignore that??
And btw, if reality worked the way your half-baked takes do, Iran wouldn't even exist right now. But people are just living their lives right now.
They've seen so much of this clown show that they're not gonna care about it like we do.
So my question is: What exactly is your reason for being here and saying all this stuff? More shekels, huh???
>iran is like that 1st grader who wants to mess with those 6th grader bullies. of course he will lose
Iran's like that kid who isn't even a student in that school, but climbs over the school wall, lands few punches on the bullies inside, then bounces right back out the same way.
Those bullies? They can't leave the school to chase him, and they've got no clue when he'll show up again.
That's a better analogy.
Iran's never played by the book(in history), and it's never gonna fit into your classic cookie-cutter model either.
Why do you think I even made this thread? >>>/mlpol/388764 →
If Iran really followed the "normal structure" everyone keeps babbling about, it should have fallen during the Iran-Iraq war.
So what happened??!
Even back then, there were idiots like you saying the same crap.
And they all forgot the biggest factor: the Iranian people!!!
>other than that , i see it as siding with a government that i hate
If analyzing the war and talking about it(even if it shows israel might be weak) and defending your country without lying about it means defending the regime, then congrats!
You just proved you're a shameless traitor!(If you're not a kike!)
>iran's islamic government is a total imbecile whom only has power against its people
I agree with this too, but when I hear it coming from you, it feels like I'm hearing it from some westernized liberal lefty.
It's kinda pathetic!
>for waste majority of it's existence oppressed us with the excuse that they are helping gaza and islam against israel
No matter how much I hate this regime, I accept their intention behind the regional policy.
This regime had the right idea about placing their own players in the region, and Palestine was just the excuse, just like the U.S put their own players there.
But the politicians were too dumb, plus they couldn't convince their own people about it, and they wiped out all the military efforts, causing many of those players to fall.
Their intention was right, but they didn't have the ability to manage it.
Even if the regime changes, I'll still support this policy.
Btw, why are you so sad that Iran is clashing with Israel??
Don't tell me your shekels are running low?
>which always was a lie
Yeah, it's definitely a lie that Iran is just showing unnecessary sympathy for Gaza and Lebanon and Syria.
If Iran still had its players in place, israel wouldn't have even been able to start this war, something you don't wanna admit, cause then you wouldn't get your shekels.
>they never harmed anyone other than iranians
I'm telling you again, you sound like a liberal lefty, talking like that is just sickeningly obvious!
>>393385
Yeah, maybe in the short term it works, but in the long run, thanks to that trillion-dollar propaganda glasses, people will forget everything israel's done.
And btw, no need to act all neutral and "reasonable" with this post after spewing so much BS and lies.
No need to try, everyone pretty much knows you're a west-worshipping traitor, unless you're just straight-up kike!
>no what i meant was that , it would not help iran in any shape or form
Am I even come here to help Iran? Like, how exactly am I supposed to help??
>reality is that the nationalism of the other guy kinda blinded him to accept iran lost with the most casualty and damages
First off, you're the blind one with the garbage sources you follow (yeah, you slipped up below and admitted you watch Iran kikenational).
Second, like I said earlier, I'm not one of those clueless people, I actually try to look at things logically.
When the news is all censored and full of propaganda, you gotta use your damn brain.
When israel pulls the U.S in, and the U.S is rushing to wrap things up just to boost israel, how the hell can you ignore that??
And btw, if reality worked the way your half-baked takes do, Iran wouldn't even exist right now. But people are just living their lives right now.
They've seen so much of this clown show that they're not gonna care about it like we do.
So my question is: What exactly is your reason for being here and saying all this stuff? More shekels, huh???
>iran is like that 1st grader who wants to mess with those 6th grader bullies. of course he will lose
Iran's like that kid who isn't even a student in that school, but climbs over the school wall, lands few punches on the bullies inside, then bounces right back out the same way.
Those bullies? They can't leave the school to chase him, and they've got no clue when he'll show up again.
That's a better analogy.
Iran's never played by the book(in history), and it's never gonna fit into your classic cookie-cutter model either.
Why do you think I even made this thread? >>>/mlpol/388764 →
If Iran really followed the "normal structure" everyone keeps babbling about, it should have fallen during the Iran-Iraq war.
So what happened??!
Even back then, there were idiots like you saying the same crap.
And they all forgot the biggest factor: the Iranian people!!!
>other than that , i see it as siding with a government that i hate
If analyzing the war and talking about it(even if it shows israel might be weak) and defending your country without lying about it means defending the regime, then congrats!
You just proved you're a shameless traitor!(If you're not a kike!)
>iran's islamic government is a total imbecile whom only has power against its people
I agree with this too, but when I hear it coming from you, it feels like I'm hearing it from some westernized liberal lefty.
It's kinda pathetic!
>for waste majority of it's existence oppressed us with the excuse that they are helping gaza and islam against israel
No matter how much I hate this regime, I accept their intention behind the regional policy.
This regime had the right idea about placing their own players in the region, and Palestine was just the excuse, just like the U.S put their own players there.
But the politicians were too dumb, plus they couldn't convince their own people about it, and they wiped out all the military efforts, causing many of those players to fall.
Their intention was right, but they didn't have the ability to manage it.
Even if the regime changes, I'll still support this policy.
Btw, why are you so sad that Iran is clashing with Israel??
Don't tell me your shekels are running low?
>which always was a lie
Yeah, it's definitely a lie that Iran is just showing unnecessary sympathy for Gaza and Lebanon and Syria.
If Iran still had its players in place, israel wouldn't have even been able to start this war, something you don't wanna admit, cause then you wouldn't get your shekels.
>they never harmed anyone other than iranians
I'm telling you again, you sound like a liberal lefty, talking like that is just sickeningly obvious!
>>393385
Yeah, maybe in the short term it works, but in the long run, thanks to that trillion-dollar propaganda glasses, people will forget everything israel's done.
And btw, no need to act all neutral and "reasonable" with this post after spewing so much BS and lies.
No need to try, everyone pretty much knows you're a west-worshipping traitor, unless you're just straight-up kike!
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>>393401
I don't get why israel spent months planning just to assassinate a few military guys, only for others to take their place right after.
Even if they took out all of them, replacements were ready(and even if those replacements were killed too, there would still be more).
It's weird, felt more like a psychological shock than an actual military one.
Probably meant to trigger some kind of regime change or coup from the inside… but it didn't happen.
Same with the nuclear scientists, it's not like killing them is the same as taking out the two dudes who know the coca cola formula. The nuclear program won't vanish with a few dead scientists.
It was all more of a political and psychological hit than a real operational one.
Lately, people are saying there was supposed to be a coup by some infiltrators, and the plan involved evacuating Tehran and toppling parts of the regime leadership.
Even both reformists and hardliners seem to be hinting at it, like it was some plot that got neutralized.
But if they do know something, why aren't they announcing it?
What's even weirder is that lately some twitter folks (who honestly seem like cyber army guys to me) have been talking about "the next leader of Iran".
(Talking about an assassination? I don't know…)
And out of nowhere, they start floating Rouhani as a candidate!
(If you don't know, he's one of the most hated figures in the whole country, except for a few hardcore reformists.)
It's sketchy as hell, like something was supposed to go down, but didn't(failed).
Even people like Vahid Jalili (a hardliner, VP at IRIB) and Ali Larijani (Khamenei's advisor, a reformist) claimed that meanwhile the media building(IRIB) was hit, it was actually a strike aimed at the meeting of Iran's top 3 branches, apparently israel hit before the officials even got there.
(That's their claim, nothing fully confirmed.)
That's a weird signal…
Right now the regime itself is torn with mistrust, hardliners don't trust each other, reformists don't either(but less than hardliners), and neither side trusts the other.
Looks like Mossad's infiltration did its job: now the system's paranoid about itself.
At this point, honestly, nothing's clear anymore.
>>393402
>esmail ghanaei... i heard a lot of people always calling him a spy , don't know why
I have mostly heard this kind of stuff about Shamkhani.
They say israel intentionally targeted him, not to kill but to wound him, just so the "spy" label gets wiped off and he stays alive.
Honestly though, I find that hard to believe.
If he's gonna get exposed that easily again, what's the point?
If I were in charge of the country, I'd focus more on Raefi Pour.
You probably know about Eli Cohen, well, in my opinion, Raefi Pour is Iran's Eli Cohen.
Out of nowhere, in just 10–12 years, he became a household name.
Some nobody who suddenly got famous.
He took almost every old conspiracy theory and rebranded it with a so-called "islamic" twist, feeding it to the masses, especially zoomers.
He jumps into every issue, and somehow turned into this anti-israel, anti-zionist, anti-holocaust icon.
That kind of extreme positioning is kinda suspicious, even to me.
His Masaf Institute has influence in all kinds of places, nobody really knows where the money comes from, and he himself has financial corruption issues.
He was heavily involved in the recent parliamentary and presidential elections,
and by launching the "Sobhe Iran" front, he stirred up division, even among hardliners themselves.
He's basically become the godfather of the parliament, without ever officially being in politics.
The guy is seriously shady, and now(especially after the ceasefire), he's been spreading division and throwing around accusations.
If I were the regime, I'd be keeping a very close eye on him.
He's really suspicious...
>few day ago , IDF claimed that they called some of the higher ranks in sepah (/irgc) and scared them to join their side so they will not be killed on the later missile/drone fires. i guess these are them huh?
I don't think so.
I've heard this rumor too(about irgc and prison), but only about some lower-level guys, the IDF never contacts high-ranking officials over stuff like this.
Their go-to move is to just eliminate them, not talk. Plus, making contact would leave a trail.
I'm not too sure about the whole thing myself.
I've heard bits and seen a few pics, but honestly? Doesn't seem real to me.
Like, just look at that photo(it's about the prison), as one user said, it looks more like a scene from some Iraj Maleki B-movie than anything serious.
I don't buy it. Feels more like it's meant to stir up confusion.
And let's be real, they've already proven they don't give a damn about anyone's life.
Right now, rumors are flying everywhere, just trying to stir up the Iranian public.
This regime's actually lucky its people are kinda numb to these kinds of games (like the "infiltrator" drama and all these wild claims).
They don't have the patience for that crap anymore.
I don't think israel can easily rile people up at this point.
Also, let this be a reminder:
Whenever a kike is actually getting what he wants, he usually keeps quiet and acts normal. But when you see a kike flapping around and talking too much, that's when you know he's in trouble.
Just it.
>>393431
Interesting!
I don't get why there isn't so little pony or anime-style art about Iran.
Okay, the pony thing I can kinda understand(kinda), but not even a single clear waifu?
For a country with so many otaku and artists, that's just weird.
I don't get why israel spent months planning just to assassinate a few military guys, only for others to take their place right after.
Even if they took out all of them, replacements were ready(and even if those replacements were killed too, there would still be more).
It's weird, felt more like a psychological shock than an actual military one.
Probably meant to trigger some kind of regime change or coup from the inside… but it didn't happen.
Same with the nuclear scientists, it's not like killing them is the same as taking out the two dudes who know the coca cola formula. The nuclear program won't vanish with a few dead scientists.
It was all more of a political and psychological hit than a real operational one.
Lately, people are saying there was supposed to be a coup by some infiltrators, and the plan involved evacuating Tehran and toppling parts of the regime leadership.
Even both reformists and hardliners seem to be hinting at it, like it was some plot that got neutralized.
But if they do know something, why aren't they announcing it?
What's even weirder is that lately some twitter folks (who honestly seem like cyber army guys to me) have been talking about "the next leader of Iran".
(Talking about an assassination? I don't know…)
And out of nowhere, they start floating Rouhani as a candidate!
(If you don't know, he's one of the most hated figures in the whole country, except for a few hardcore reformists.)
It's sketchy as hell, like something was supposed to go down, but didn't(failed).
Even people like Vahid Jalili (a hardliner, VP at IRIB) and Ali Larijani (Khamenei's advisor, a reformist) claimed that meanwhile the media building(IRIB) was hit, it was actually a strike aimed at the meeting of Iran's top 3 branches, apparently israel hit before the officials even got there.
(That's their claim, nothing fully confirmed.)
That's a weird signal…
Right now the regime itself is torn with mistrust, hardliners don't trust each other, reformists don't either(but less than hardliners), and neither side trusts the other.
Looks like Mossad's infiltration did its job: now the system's paranoid about itself.
At this point, honestly, nothing's clear anymore.
>>393402
>esmail ghanaei... i heard a lot of people always calling him a spy , don't know why
I have mostly heard this kind of stuff about Shamkhani.
They say israel intentionally targeted him, not to kill but to wound him, just so the "spy" label gets wiped off and he stays alive.
Honestly though, I find that hard to believe.
If he's gonna get exposed that easily again, what's the point?
If I were in charge of the country, I'd focus more on Raefi Pour.
You probably know about Eli Cohen, well, in my opinion, Raefi Pour is Iran's Eli Cohen.
Out of nowhere, in just 10–12 years, he became a household name.
Some nobody who suddenly got famous.
He took almost every old conspiracy theory and rebranded it with a so-called "islamic" twist, feeding it to the masses, especially zoomers.
He jumps into every issue, and somehow turned into this anti-israel, anti-zionist, anti-holocaust icon.
That kind of extreme positioning is kinda suspicious, even to me.
His Masaf Institute has influence in all kinds of places, nobody really knows where the money comes from, and he himself has financial corruption issues.
He was heavily involved in the recent parliamentary and presidential elections,
and by launching the "Sobhe Iran" front, he stirred up division, even among hardliners themselves.
He's basically become the godfather of the parliament, without ever officially being in politics.
The guy is seriously shady, and now(especially after the ceasefire), he's been spreading division and throwing around accusations.
If I were the regime, I'd be keeping a very close eye on him.
He's really suspicious...
>few day ago , IDF claimed that they called some of the higher ranks in sepah (/irgc) and scared them to join their side so they will not be killed on the later missile/drone fires. i guess these are them huh?
I don't think so.
I've heard this rumor too(about irgc and prison), but only about some lower-level guys, the IDF never contacts high-ranking officials over stuff like this.
Their go-to move is to just eliminate them, not talk. Plus, making contact would leave a trail.
I'm not too sure about the whole thing myself.
I've heard bits and seen a few pics, but honestly? Doesn't seem real to me.
Like, just look at that photo(it's about the prison), as one user said, it looks more like a scene from some Iraj Maleki B-movie than anything serious.
I don't buy it. Feels more like it's meant to stir up confusion.
And let's be real, they've already proven they don't give a damn about anyone's life.
Right now, rumors are flying everywhere, just trying to stir up the Iranian public.
This regime's actually lucky its people are kinda numb to these kinds of games (like the "infiltrator" drama and all these wild claims).
They don't have the patience for that crap anymore.
I don't think israel can easily rile people up at this point.
Also, let this be a reminder:
Whenever a kike is actually getting what he wants, he usually keeps quiet and acts normal. But when you see a kike flapping around and talking too much, that's when you know he's in trouble.
Just it.
>>393431
Interesting!
I don't get why there isn't so little pony or anime-style art about Iran.
Okay, the pony thing I can kinda understand(kinda), but not even a single clear waifu?
For a country with so many otaku and artists, that's just weird.
>>393464
I'll save it. It's cute somehow
>>393465
>it would not matter, if a revolution happens AGAIN
I hope so, but with the way things look now, it's more likely the regime will change through a coup or military occupation, which unfortunately wouldn't be at all popular with the people.
>Iran would be turn friendly toward US , just like the King reign era
I hope if the regime changes, a hostile gov doesn't take over.
Iranians have never truly had deep, bitter enemies among any nation.
>most people here when they see an American or an European , for them it is like they saw an rare beautiful Unicorn senpai , at least the where i live it is that way
Are you living in a cave in Qazvin or what??!
What you're saying is way too unrealistic and so gay.
Honestly, people find east Asians stranger because with those almond-shaped eyes they stand out in a crowd.
But Europeans and Americans? People usually just recognize them by their touristy clothes or their language, which isn't really that weird to most.
You're too weird...
>iranians are so westernized and they value westernoids so so much more cooler , more progressed ,more open minded and more intelligent than them, and does not matter how much propaganda the govs shoves inside them , they always will be like that.
I feel like you are the one blinded by propaganda or delusions!
Why are you spreading such stupid lies??!
Iranians have always been and still are just Iranians living their normal lives, not Eastern, not Western.
Seriously, what exactly does being "western" mean to you (as a westernized)?
What makes you western?
I still don't get this ridiculous mindset of you westernized folks. That's why no one actually supports you.
Also, Iranians respect anyone who has good qualities, whether they're Western, Eastern, or Iranian!
Please, when there's no Iranian left to shut you up here, don't fool non-Iranians or lie to them so they believe your nonsense out of ignorance.
And it seems like the only one desperately trying to prove something here is you!
Btw, if you openly call yourself a westernized ( >>>/mlpol/390044 → ), you don't have the right to preach about whether Iranians are western or not! You have to shut the fuck up about it!
It's like a whore mom generalizing and saying all the people in her country have whore mothers!
Don't generalize your dumb opinions to everyone and don't shield yourself from criticism by saying "at least the where i live it is that way"
Normal people all across Iran don't have this fucking dumb thoughts like yours!
>>393467
Yeah, it's like Russians have some experience with this kind of stuff, that's probably why they catch on quicker.
Glad to see you get it too.
But honestly, this "western 5th column" isn't that HUUUUUGE, they just make a lot of noise online to seem bigger than they really are.
In real life, among regular Iranians (most of whom are apolitical and soft nationalists), they've got zero support.
That's why they stick to cyberspace and try to look relevant by appealing to non-Iranians.
But I'll say it again, that guy is not even a real 5th columnist.
A true 5th column blends in and doesn't get noticed by their own people.
But if even you Americans and Russians can see through him, then clearly he's not up to the task.
Like I said before, he's either some filthy kike, or just a whining sellout.
Nothing special.
>>393469
Alright, now I'm fully convinced you're brainwashed.
First off, most of those countries you named from "the West" either don't even have a proper army, or they're under military control and influence of other powers.
And btw, there's no real unity among Eastern countries either.
I don't know why you think Iran is suddenly part of "the East", or that it has to fully take one side or the other?
The regime sold drones to Russia, sure, but at the same time, it openly spoke in favor of Ukraine's claim over Crimea.
And don't forget, a few years ago it even rejected a proposal that Xi Jinping personally offered to Iran.
This regime is way too arrogant to fully commit to any one side, which is a flaw.
But being one-sided is also a mistake.
Neither "negative balance" nor full-on alignment will help.
Iran can easily establish a smart, balanced positive neutrality, something like what Singapore does.(Yeah, there's too much different between Iran and Singapore situation, but Iran can use this method by some different ways)
It's not that hard to grasp.
Iran is never been a submissive country, it's always wanted to be rebellious and independent.
So it can deal with both sides, something your brainwashed Western head just can't understand.
(Seriously, stop relying on ZOG sources so much.)
Yes, the Shah did some things right, but his one-sided foreign policy was one of the major flaws of his rule.
You're just too dumb to think outside the narrow box they've shoved you into. You're too brainwashed!
I'll save it. It's cute somehow
>>393465
>it would not matter, if a revolution happens AGAIN
I hope so, but with the way things look now, it's more likely the regime will change through a coup or military occupation, which unfortunately wouldn't be at all popular with the people.
>Iran would be turn friendly toward US , just like the King reign era
I hope if the regime changes, a hostile gov doesn't take over.
Iranians have never truly had deep, bitter enemies among any nation.
>most people here when they see an American or an European , for them it is like they saw an rare beautiful Unicorn senpai , at least the where i live it is that way
Are you living in a cave in Qazvin or what??!
What you're saying is way too unrealistic and so gay.
Honestly, people find east Asians stranger because with those almond-shaped eyes they stand out in a crowd.
But Europeans and Americans? People usually just recognize them by their touristy clothes or their language, which isn't really that weird to most.
You're too weird...
>iranians are so westernized and they value westernoids so so much more cooler , more progressed ,more open minded and more intelligent than them, and does not matter how much propaganda the govs shoves inside them , they always will be like that.
I feel like you are the one blinded by propaganda or delusions!
Why are you spreading such stupid lies??!
Iranians have always been and still are just Iranians living their normal lives, not Eastern, not Western.
Seriously, what exactly does being "western" mean to you (as a westernized)?
What makes you western?
I still don't get this ridiculous mindset of you westernized folks. That's why no one actually supports you.
Also, Iranians respect anyone who has good qualities, whether they're Western, Eastern, or Iranian!
Please, when there's no Iranian left to shut you up here, don't fool non-Iranians or lie to them so they believe your nonsense out of ignorance.
And it seems like the only one desperately trying to prove something here is you!
Btw, if you openly call yourself a westernized ( >>>/mlpol/390044 → ), you don't have the right to preach about whether Iranians are western or not! You have to shut the fuck up about it!
It's like a whore mom generalizing and saying all the people in her country have whore mothers!
Don't generalize your dumb opinions to everyone and don't shield yourself from criticism by saying "at least the where i live it is that way"
Normal people all across Iran don't have this fucking dumb thoughts like yours!
>>393467
Yeah, it's like Russians have some experience with this kind of stuff, that's probably why they catch on quicker.
Glad to see you get it too.
But honestly, this "western 5th column" isn't that HUUUUUGE, they just make a lot of noise online to seem bigger than they really are.
In real life, among regular Iranians (most of whom are apolitical and soft nationalists), they've got zero support.
That's why they stick to cyberspace and try to look relevant by appealing to non-Iranians.
But I'll say it again, that guy is not even a real 5th columnist.
A true 5th column blends in and doesn't get noticed by their own people.
But if even you Americans and Russians can see through him, then clearly he's not up to the task.
Like I said before, he's either some filthy kike, or just a whining sellout.
Nothing special.
>>393469
Alright, now I'm fully convinced you're brainwashed.
First off, most of those countries you named from "the West" either don't even have a proper army, or they're under military control and influence of other powers.
And btw, there's no real unity among Eastern countries either.
I don't know why you think Iran is suddenly part of "the East", or that it has to fully take one side or the other?
The regime sold drones to Russia, sure, but at the same time, it openly spoke in favor of Ukraine's claim over Crimea.
And don't forget, a few years ago it even rejected a proposal that Xi Jinping personally offered to Iran.
This regime is way too arrogant to fully commit to any one side, which is a flaw.
But being one-sided is also a mistake.
Neither "negative balance" nor full-on alignment will help.
Iran can easily establish a smart, balanced positive neutrality, something like what Singapore does.(Yeah, there's too much different between Iran and Singapore situation, but Iran can use this method by some different ways)
It's not that hard to grasp.
Iran is never been a submissive country, it's always wanted to be rebellious and independent.
So it can deal with both sides, something your brainwashed Western head just can't understand.
(Seriously, stop relying on ZOG sources so much.)
Yes, the Shah did some things right, but his one-sided foreign policy was one of the major flaws of his rule.
You're just too dumb to think outside the narrow box they've shoved you into. You're too brainwashed!
>>393470
Marriage with children was an arab cultural practice that islam later heavily restricted(though it didn't completely abolish it, likely to avoid rebellion from some dumb tribal arabs).
But this kind of thing never really became a norm in Iran.
Pedophilia(both before and after islam) was equally rare in Iran.
Iranians have always seen it as disgusting and shameful, and unlike arabs, they never normalized it.
It was only ever tolerated in a few scattered rural areas, and even there, it eventually disappeared.
Right now, Iran's actually struggling with late marriages (people getting married around age 30), which clearly shows that this kind of backward culture isn't present anymore, if it ever was.
Actually, I remember reading a news piece about 2 months ago:
Some pedophile got arrested by the police.
Once people found out who he was, they broke the seal on his locked-up shop and burned it down.
Even though he already had a death sentence, police couldn't even transfer him to prison because the inmates had threatened to kill him themselves as soon as they got the chance.
The public hated him that much.
I don't think there's any other country on earth with this level of anti-pedophile sentiment like Iran.
So yeah, this was never a social norm in Iran, and it never will be.
But for example, one practice that islam did completely wipe out was "khoedoodah", the old Zoroastrian custom of marrying one's own sister or close relatives.
Even back then it was already seen as disgusting by most ordinary people, and islam came in and totally ended it.
So yeah, Iranians have changed a little over time, but thanks to their nature, those changes have mostly been for the better.
And btw, don't you claim to be Armenian??
Then what business do you have speaking on my history and acting like you speak for me??
Even though I know you're not really Armenian, this still has nothing to do with you!
It's none of your business!
>>393471
Now here's someone with a brain.
>>393475
First of all, I'm saying it again, you're speaking for all Iranians as a minority, and you don't even know your own history right...
And btw, who told you all that sword nonsense about the arabs??! Arabs invaded just for conquest and under the name of islam. They neither could nor wanted to force conversions!
They actually preferred non-muslims to stay non-muslims so they could collect huge taxes (jizya) from them. Some arabs even got angry when Iranians converted because that meant less jizya money!
Also, Iranians were still mostly Zoroastrian 100 to 150 years after the arab invasion, which shows that if there ever was any sword forcing conversion, it didn't work on Iranians.
So what really happened? The presence of muslim missionaries, Iranian muslim scholars and thinkers, and voluntary acceptance by Iranians themselves (which was sometimes slowed by arab rulers who lost their positions to Iranian muslims and also lost jizya revenue).
Over the years, Iranians gradually embraced islam.
Anyone who says Iranians were forced into islam by the sword doesn't really know Iranians, just like you, you fucking kike!
>i am the noob
I think you're a noob even at thinking!
>>393480
>You like ponies at least. Even most inhuman kike has some light deeply in heart.
I get your concern about the jews, but when they themselves try to shut off the light, they shouldn't expect us to go along with it.
>I just read about aftermath of recent Azerbaijan-Armenia war...
This might sound like a conspiracy theory, but I think it could have been created by the kikes to cause instability in the region.
>>393482
First of all, he asked about the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, so why did you suddenly link it to the Armenian genocide??
But anyway, let's talk about both.
First, the "Palestinian genocide" is more of a political and ethnic concept than a religious one. Everyone talks about it, Muslims, Christians alike. And just talking about it isn't enough, this is exactly the hypocrisy of Muslims (note: Muslims, not islam!) since almost none of them except Iran actually do anything.
So this issue doesn't really relate to the Armenians and hypocrisy, گوز رو به شقیقه ربط نده!
Many of those Palestinians are Christians who are also being persecuted. If you don't care, then you're the one showing Christian hypocrisy! (Again, note: Christians, not Christianity!)
You yourself mentioned Armenians and Kurds, so it's more about ethnicity and pan-turkism than islamic concepts (they really didn't kill them because of islam, otherwise, why kill the Kurds too?).
Also, let's talk about the genocide of the Armenian ancestors (though your ancestors were Khazars, kike!).
Germany armed the Turks, meaning a Christian country indirectly took part in the Armenian massacre.
(Btw, since you're a Hitler lover, Hitler later called the Armenian genocide a successful cleansing operation and was inspired by it for the kikes. So instead of condemning it, he kind of praised it!)
The British, French, and Americans just settled for simple condemnation and through their silence and inaction showed they were basically okay with the Armenian slaughter.
So what is that?? Don't you call that Christian hypocrisy?? (Again, note: Christians, not Christianity!)
So next time before you shove the history in our faces, read it properly yourself. You who think you're such a historian, with the hypocrisy the west showed you, shouldn't you be anti-western? Then why are you so Westernized??!
And also, even if we assume, just hypothetically, that you are Armenian, you're wrong to insult the Muslim Iranian people who have given you refuge and live peacefully with you. How ungrateful you are! (Of course, I know you're not Armenian, real Armenians are honorable, polite, and grateful people. You're not!)
>>393483
Bro, are you sick in the head or what?
Marriage with children was an arab cultural practice that islam later heavily restricted(though it didn't completely abolish it, likely to avoid rebellion from some dumb tribal arabs).
But this kind of thing never really became a norm in Iran.
Pedophilia(both before and after islam) was equally rare in Iran.
Iranians have always seen it as disgusting and shameful, and unlike arabs, they never normalized it.
It was only ever tolerated in a few scattered rural areas, and even there, it eventually disappeared.
Right now, Iran's actually struggling with late marriages (people getting married around age 30), which clearly shows that this kind of backward culture isn't present anymore, if it ever was.
Actually, I remember reading a news piece about 2 months ago:
Some pedophile got arrested by the police.
Once people found out who he was, they broke the seal on his locked-up shop and burned it down.
Even though he already had a death sentence, police couldn't even transfer him to prison because the inmates had threatened to kill him themselves as soon as they got the chance.
The public hated him that much.
I don't think there's any other country on earth with this level of anti-pedophile sentiment like Iran.
So yeah, this was never a social norm in Iran, and it never will be.
But for example, one practice that islam did completely wipe out was "khoedoodah", the old Zoroastrian custom of marrying one's own sister or close relatives.
Even back then it was already seen as disgusting by most ordinary people, and islam came in and totally ended it.
So yeah, Iranians have changed a little over time, but thanks to their nature, those changes have mostly been for the better.
And btw, don't you claim to be Armenian??
Then what business do you have speaking on my history and acting like you speak for me??
Even though I know you're not really Armenian, this still has nothing to do with you!
It's none of your business!
>>393471
Now here's someone with a brain.
>>393475
First of all, I'm saying it again, you're speaking for all Iranians as a minority, and you don't even know your own history right...
And btw, who told you all that sword nonsense about the arabs??! Arabs invaded just for conquest and under the name of islam. They neither could nor wanted to force conversions!
They actually preferred non-muslims to stay non-muslims so they could collect huge taxes (jizya) from them. Some arabs even got angry when Iranians converted because that meant less jizya money!
Also, Iranians were still mostly Zoroastrian 100 to 150 years after the arab invasion, which shows that if there ever was any sword forcing conversion, it didn't work on Iranians.
So what really happened? The presence of muslim missionaries, Iranian muslim scholars and thinkers, and voluntary acceptance by Iranians themselves (which was sometimes slowed by arab rulers who lost their positions to Iranian muslims and also lost jizya revenue).
Over the years, Iranians gradually embraced islam.
Anyone who says Iranians were forced into islam by the sword doesn't really know Iranians, just like you, you fucking kike!
>i am the noob
I think you're a noob even at thinking!
>>393480
>You like ponies at least. Even most inhuman kike has some light deeply in heart.
I get your concern about the jews, but when they themselves try to shut off the light, they shouldn't expect us to go along with it.
>I just read about aftermath of recent Azerbaijan-Armenia war...
This might sound like a conspiracy theory, but I think it could have been created by the kikes to cause instability in the region.
>>393482
First of all, he asked about the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, so why did you suddenly link it to the Armenian genocide??
But anyway, let's talk about both.
First, the "Palestinian genocide" is more of a political and ethnic concept than a religious one. Everyone talks about it, Muslims, Christians alike. And just talking about it isn't enough, this is exactly the hypocrisy of Muslims (note: Muslims, not islam!) since almost none of them except Iran actually do anything.
So this issue doesn't really relate to the Armenians and hypocrisy, گوز رو به شقیقه ربط نده!
Many of those Palestinians are Christians who are also being persecuted. If you don't care, then you're the one showing Christian hypocrisy! (Again, note: Christians, not Christianity!)
You yourself mentioned Armenians and Kurds, so it's more about ethnicity and pan-turkism than islamic concepts (they really didn't kill them because of islam, otherwise, why kill the Kurds too?).
Also, let's talk about the genocide of the Armenian ancestors (though your ancestors were Khazars, kike!).
Germany armed the Turks, meaning a Christian country indirectly took part in the Armenian massacre.
(Btw, since you're a Hitler lover, Hitler later called the Armenian genocide a successful cleansing operation and was inspired by it for the kikes. So instead of condemning it, he kind of praised it!)
The British, French, and Americans just settled for simple condemnation and through their silence and inaction showed they were basically okay with the Armenian slaughter.
So what is that?? Don't you call that Christian hypocrisy?? (Again, note: Christians, not Christianity!)
So next time before you shove the history in our faces, read it properly yourself. You who think you're such a historian, with the hypocrisy the west showed you, shouldn't you be anti-western? Then why are you so Westernized??!
And also, even if we assume, just hypothetically, that you are Armenian, you're wrong to insult the Muslim Iranian people who have given you refuge and live peacefully with you. How ungrateful you are! (Of course, I know you're not Armenian, real Armenians are honorable, polite, and grateful people. You're not!)
>>393483
Bro, are you sick in the head or what?
>>393486
Your point could be both right and wrong.
Israel might want that, but I don't think the U.S wants to destabilize Iran, at least not based on its Rimland strategy.
That said, you're totally right that one-sided alignment with the west would hurt Iran. There has to be balance.
Advice:
Don't bother arguing with that westernized, he's never gonna accept what you say anyway.
>>393487
>ISIS is when after iran's revolution
before that iran was a british shill and a secular country
So what does that have to do with what he said? ISIS had nothing to do with Iran specifically, it was mostly about the region itself. Israel needed a force to weaken its neighboring countries.
>i don't understand why would the west try to start a coup...
The West literally had no idea what was going to happen. The Americans themselves were divided over whether the Shah should go and a new gov come, or if they should keep the Shah and suppress the opposition. In a way, yeah. You could say they were both stupid and not stupid.
>anyway i am bergaining , what i want to say is that...
Oh shit, here we go again!
>iran definitely would become a secular after the islamic opperassion
Most likely, yes, but the lifespan depends on where it falls between being radical secular and positive secularism.
What's important is that you basically can't make Iranian society godless. Reza Shah tried to do that, and that was one of the reasons for his quick three-day downfall.
This had nothing to do with the akhonds, who at that time were almost like jews in Nazi Germany among the people. It was the people themselves who couldn't tolerate godlessness, even if society appeared that way on the surface.
People also make mistakes and later change their minds. Now, if some are anti-religion, after a regime change and the establishment of, say, a secular regime, many of them would change their beliefs and realize they were wrong, just like many who participated in the 1979 revolution.
>i see so many people in my area with Ahura mazda necklaces (zarthurustrian) and Cross necklaces which they are not born in those religions
First off, please tell me exactly where you live, because I'm almost convinced you're in a parallel universe.(If you're not in israel)
But anyway, let me point out two things:
About the cross, most zoomers who wear it just do it for the aesthetic or to look cool. And I'd bet money that if you told them it makes them look christian, they would say they had no idea it could even mean that.
As for the Faravahar, wearing it isn't really about religion. It's more of a national or nationalist symbol than a purely Zoroastrian one. Most people who wear it on a necklace or a ring do it to show national pride, not because they're Zoroastrian.(I have one of them, too. Does it mean I'm Zoroastrian???)
>i can swear to god that amount anti-religions and athism is growing so hard in iran
Bro, you were just saying people are turning to other religions instead of islam, now suddenly you're saying everyone are becoming anti-religion and atheist?
Make up your mind, seriously.
But anyway, even if(and that’s a big if), what you're saying is true, like I said earlier, this kind of thing happens a few generations after a pro-american regime would take over. History shows it clearly: every time you push Iranians too hard in one direction, they start leaning the opposite way, even if it doesn't show right away.
(Just a reminder: the generation that brought about the Islamic Revolution in 1979 was raised under secular Pahlavi rule. And this current secular-leaning generation(as you said) trying to overthrow the regime? They were raised under this extremist theocracy.)
It's like a social magnetic reaction, people naturally push back.
That's why I'd rather see a regime that brings positive secularism along with balanced foreign policy between East and West. That kind of moderation keeps people from swinging too far the other way.
>that hopefully islam will never and ever rise again here
Yeah, why wouldn't a kike want Iranians to not be muslim?
>>393489
Let me put your mind at ease:
Iranian muslims are different from those strict, hardcore sandniggers muslims. They're chill, laid-back, and take things easy. Like they say, Shiraz has both its mosque and its wine.
I think you should go read works by some old Iranian muslim writers like Hafez, Saadi, or Rumi to get to know the Iranian-Islamic culture. I'm pretty sure after that, you'll understand the difference between an Iranian muslim and an arab.
>>393490
>Meanwhile, Avicenna, Omar Khayyam, Ferdowsi, Rumi, Saadi Shirazi, Hafez Shirazi, Al-Razi, Al-Farabi, Ibn Khaldun, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Allama Tabataba’i, Mulla Sadra, Khawaja Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Sheikh Baha’i, Mulla Hadi Sabzevari, Jamal al-Din Asadabadi, Morteza Motahhari, Allameh Jafari, Najm al-Din Kubra, Al-Biruni, Khawaja Rabi’, Zakariya Qazvini, Attar of Nishapur, Asadi Tusi, Nezami Ganjavi, Qa’ani, Mirza Malek Khan, Hakim Jorjani, Ismail Samani, Nasir Khusraw, Sibawayh, Jalal al-Din Homaei, Malek al-Sho’ara Bahar, Qazi Noorollah Shushtari, Abd al-Razzaq Kermani and so on... are reading your post in the afterlife...
I asked chat gpt to name just 35 of them. I think that's enough for you to realize how ridiculous your BS was.
Your point could be both right and wrong.
Israel might want that, but I don't think the U.S wants to destabilize Iran, at least not based on its Rimland strategy.
That said, you're totally right that one-sided alignment with the west would hurt Iran. There has to be balance.
Advice:
Don't bother arguing with that westernized, he's never gonna accept what you say anyway.
>>393487
>ISIS is when after iran's revolution
before that iran was a british shill and a secular country
So what does that have to do with what he said? ISIS had nothing to do with Iran specifically, it was mostly about the region itself. Israel needed a force to weaken its neighboring countries.
>i don't understand why would the west try to start a coup...
The West literally had no idea what was going to happen. The Americans themselves were divided over whether the Shah should go and a new gov come, or if they should keep the Shah and suppress the opposition. In a way, yeah. You could say they were both stupid and not stupid.
>anyway i am bergaining , what i want to say is that...
Oh shit, here we go again!
>iran definitely would become a secular after the islamic opperassion
Most likely, yes, but the lifespan depends on where it falls between being radical secular and positive secularism.
What's important is that you basically can't make Iranian society godless. Reza Shah tried to do that, and that was one of the reasons for his quick three-day downfall.
This had nothing to do with the akhonds, who at that time were almost like jews in Nazi Germany among the people. It was the people themselves who couldn't tolerate godlessness, even if society appeared that way on the surface.
People also make mistakes and later change their minds. Now, if some are anti-religion, after a regime change and the establishment of, say, a secular regime, many of them would change their beliefs and realize they were wrong, just like many who participated in the 1979 revolution.
>i see so many people in my area with Ahura mazda necklaces (zarthurustrian) and Cross necklaces which they are not born in those religions
First off, please tell me exactly where you live, because I'm almost convinced you're in a parallel universe.(If you're not in israel)
But anyway, let me point out two things:
About the cross, most zoomers who wear it just do it for the aesthetic or to look cool. And I'd bet money that if you told them it makes them look christian, they would say they had no idea it could even mean that.
As for the Faravahar, wearing it isn't really about religion. It's more of a national or nationalist symbol than a purely Zoroastrian one. Most people who wear it on a necklace or a ring do it to show national pride, not because they're Zoroastrian.(I have one of them, too. Does it mean I'm Zoroastrian???)
>i can swear to god that amount anti-religions and athism is growing so hard in iran
Bro, you were just saying people are turning to other religions instead of islam, now suddenly you're saying everyone are becoming anti-religion and atheist?
Make up your mind, seriously.
But anyway, even if(and that’s a big if), what you're saying is true, like I said earlier, this kind of thing happens a few generations after a pro-american regime would take over. History shows it clearly: every time you push Iranians too hard in one direction, they start leaning the opposite way, even if it doesn't show right away.
(Just a reminder: the generation that brought about the Islamic Revolution in 1979 was raised under secular Pahlavi rule. And this current secular-leaning generation(as you said) trying to overthrow the regime? They were raised under this extremist theocracy.)
It's like a social magnetic reaction, people naturally push back.
That's why I'd rather see a regime that brings positive secularism along with balanced foreign policy between East and West. That kind of moderation keeps people from swinging too far the other way.
>that hopefully islam will never and ever rise again here
Yeah, why wouldn't a kike want Iranians to not be muslim?
>>393489
Let me put your mind at ease:
Iranian muslims are different from those strict, hardcore sandniggers muslims. They're chill, laid-back, and take things easy. Like they say, Shiraz has both its mosque and its wine.
I think you should go read works by some old Iranian muslim writers like Hafez, Saadi, or Rumi to get to know the Iranian-Islamic culture. I'm pretty sure after that, you'll understand the difference between an Iranian muslim and an arab.
>>393490
>Meanwhile, Avicenna, Omar Khayyam, Ferdowsi, Rumi, Saadi Shirazi, Hafez Shirazi, Al-Razi, Al-Farabi, Ibn Khaldun, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Allama Tabataba’i, Mulla Sadra, Khawaja Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Sheikh Baha’i, Mulla Hadi Sabzevari, Jamal al-Din Asadabadi, Morteza Motahhari, Allameh Jafari, Najm al-Din Kubra, Al-Biruni, Khawaja Rabi’, Zakariya Qazvini, Attar of Nishapur, Asadi Tusi, Nezami Ganjavi, Qa’ani, Mirza Malek Khan, Hakim Jorjani, Ismail Samani, Nasir Khusraw, Sibawayh, Jalal al-Din Homaei, Malek al-Sho’ara Bahar, Qazi Noorollah Shushtari, Abd al-Razzaq Kermani and so on... are reading your post in the afterlife...
I asked chat gpt to name just 35 of them. I think that's enough for you to realize how ridiculous your BS was.
>>393491
You know, there's a saying commonly used by Iranians: if someone picks your pocket in a bazaar full of goldsmiths, it doesn't mean all goldsmiths are thieves.
That's exactly why, despite you claiming to be Armenian(which I personally doubt), your stupidity and dishonor don't make me hate Armenians. I'll say it again: Armenians have admirable qualities, and you are the exact opposite of those. Even if you were Armenian (which you're not), you'd be a disgraced outcast, someone who doesn't even respect his own faith. (Let's not forget that you insulted god, whom you yourself claim to be the father of Jesus Christ!)
And btw, if you're going to use such metaphors, you should first be able to prove that you yourself aren't one of those "wolves" you're referring to. And who decides that? Well, currently, you're the one being seen by others as a westernized and a 5th columnist.
>>393493
This explanation is overly simplified and misses some of the subtleties. That's why I think, when I get the chance, I should really talk about the history, politics, and society of Iran. That way, some misunderstandings and false information might be cleared up.
>>393496
You're absolutely right, that's exactly the point I've been trying to make. But don't let it get to you too much, people with views like his don't even make up 1% of our society. He's active here probably because he can't spout this much nonsense elsewhere without being immediately shut down by Iranians.
I don't understand why some people can't recognize their own identity and fight for it. I have always respected people who fight for who they are, even if I personally dislike them. Whether it's a kike, a sandnigger, a Pan-Turk, a Pan-Kurd, a nigger, a Chinese, Japanese, Korean, European, Russian, American, or Latin, if they stand up for their race or belief, I respect that. That doesn't mean I agree with them, it just means I value dignity. Everyone should take themselves seriously, even your enemy. Because if they do, they become a worthy enemy.
If I were in the shoes of Ukrainians, I'd absolutely want to highlight my Ukrainian identity and fight to end the war quickly so I could return to my homeland. Ukrainians don't need to become European, they need to be Ukrainian. Just as Iranians need to be Iranian. People like him will never understand that.
>>393497
Number of parliament members: 290
Number of Jewish representatives: 1
Is this power??!
The Jewish population in Iran reaches about 10000, and the regime, by giving them one exclusive seat and preventing them from having any other seats, made a smart move to keep the jews under its control (so that, for example, a representative from a certain city who is Jewish would not suddenly appear!).
Also, this small Jewish population, especially after the 1979 revolution, has truly decreased and lost much of its partial influence. They are under strict control and supervision of the gov. Most of them interpret their scripture in such a way that after the destruction of the second temple, jews were subjected to a kind of divine curse and are not allowed to establish a country until the Messiah comes and does it for them. Because of this, they are strongly opposed to zionism and israel (which benefits the regime). And although they cannot hate their own race, the regime neither cares nor do they really have enough influence for it to matter. If one day we say some group had influence in Iran, the jews inside Iran would be among the last options.
So, you didn't make it clear. You just made it dirty.
Thanks to trillion-dollar glasses!
>393539
>also don't forget , khomeini played them...
This statement is mostly accurate. But actually, I think the matter was a bit more complicated, like a kind of discord within coordination, and awareness within ignorance. I can't fully express what I mean without giving a detailed explanation, but I can offer a hint for now: look at the signs.
Take the "Red and Black Colonialism" article, for example. It was published with the Shah's knowledge, yet without awareness of its consequences. Or the attack on the U.S embassy: it happened with Khomeini's awareness, but again, without grasping the fallout.
The West, too, was both aware and unaware in both cases. It was a complex dance of coordination and misalignment that led things to unfold the way they did.
Yes, I think the Westerners were played, the Shah was played, Bazargan was played, and even Khomeini was played. Everyone, while trying to play their own game, got played in return. It's something quite strange… Maybe I'll be able to explain it better later.
>what ukraine has to do with ''atheism'' are you really...
The one who believes they are doomed is, in fact, the one who is doomed, not the one who refuses to believe so.
The fact that you think you're doomed without western thought or that you're doomed with islamic thought shows that you are exactly the one who is doomed!
It's the feeling of weakness that makes it real, while rejecting that feeling, in itself, helps you become stronger.
As that Russian guy also mentioned, based on Ibn Khaldun's theory, the West is on a path of decline and internal conflict (due to the rise of the 4th generation). And you, at this specific point in time, think the West is the solution? Was it a solution for Ukraine? Is it even a solution for itself right now??
Stop pretending not to see the obvious: the truth is, you just don't want to endure hardship for the ideals you claim to believe in, so you prefer to adopt a new ideal and justify your inaction by claiming you're "waiting" for that ideal.(Or maybe you're just trolling, kike)
The world doesn't work like that, dear fool.
>powerful?? bro they are like at best 10 thousand...
Based.
You know, there's a saying commonly used by Iranians: if someone picks your pocket in a bazaar full of goldsmiths, it doesn't mean all goldsmiths are thieves.
That's exactly why, despite you claiming to be Armenian(which I personally doubt), your stupidity and dishonor don't make me hate Armenians. I'll say it again: Armenians have admirable qualities, and you are the exact opposite of those. Even if you were Armenian (which you're not), you'd be a disgraced outcast, someone who doesn't even respect his own faith. (Let's not forget that you insulted god, whom you yourself claim to be the father of Jesus Christ!)
And btw, if you're going to use such metaphors, you should first be able to prove that you yourself aren't one of those "wolves" you're referring to. And who decides that? Well, currently, you're the one being seen by others as a westernized and a 5th columnist.
>>393493
This explanation is overly simplified and misses some of the subtleties. That's why I think, when I get the chance, I should really talk about the history, politics, and society of Iran. That way, some misunderstandings and false information might be cleared up.
>>393496
You're absolutely right, that's exactly the point I've been trying to make. But don't let it get to you too much, people with views like his don't even make up 1% of our society. He's active here probably because he can't spout this much nonsense elsewhere without being immediately shut down by Iranians.
I don't understand why some people can't recognize their own identity and fight for it. I have always respected people who fight for who they are, even if I personally dislike them. Whether it's a kike, a sandnigger, a Pan-Turk, a Pan-Kurd, a nigger, a Chinese, Japanese, Korean, European, Russian, American, or Latin, if they stand up for their race or belief, I respect that. That doesn't mean I agree with them, it just means I value dignity. Everyone should take themselves seriously, even your enemy. Because if they do, they become a worthy enemy.
If I were in the shoes of Ukrainians, I'd absolutely want to highlight my Ukrainian identity and fight to end the war quickly so I could return to my homeland. Ukrainians don't need to become European, they need to be Ukrainian. Just as Iranians need to be Iranian. People like him will never understand that.
>>393497
Number of parliament members: 290
Number of Jewish representatives: 1
Is this power??!
The Jewish population in Iran reaches about 10000, and the regime, by giving them one exclusive seat and preventing them from having any other seats, made a smart move to keep the jews under its control (so that, for example, a representative from a certain city who is Jewish would not suddenly appear!).
Also, this small Jewish population, especially after the 1979 revolution, has truly decreased and lost much of its partial influence. They are under strict control and supervision of the gov. Most of them interpret their scripture in such a way that after the destruction of the second temple, jews were subjected to a kind of divine curse and are not allowed to establish a country until the Messiah comes and does it for them. Because of this, they are strongly opposed to zionism and israel (which benefits the regime). And although they cannot hate their own race, the regime neither cares nor do they really have enough influence for it to matter. If one day we say some group had influence in Iran, the jews inside Iran would be among the last options.
So, you didn't make it clear. You just made it dirty.
Thanks to trillion-dollar glasses!
>393539
>also don't forget , khomeini played them...
This statement is mostly accurate. But actually, I think the matter was a bit more complicated, like a kind of discord within coordination, and awareness within ignorance. I can't fully express what I mean without giving a detailed explanation, but I can offer a hint for now: look at the signs.
Take the "Red and Black Colonialism" article, for example. It was published with the Shah's knowledge, yet without awareness of its consequences. Or the attack on the U.S embassy: it happened with Khomeini's awareness, but again, without grasping the fallout.
The West, too, was both aware and unaware in both cases. It was a complex dance of coordination and misalignment that led things to unfold the way they did.
Yes, I think the Westerners were played, the Shah was played, Bazargan was played, and even Khomeini was played. Everyone, while trying to play their own game, got played in return. It's something quite strange… Maybe I'll be able to explain it better later.
>what ukraine has to do with ''atheism'' are you really...
The one who believes they are doomed is, in fact, the one who is doomed, not the one who refuses to believe so.
The fact that you think you're doomed without western thought or that you're doomed with islamic thought shows that you are exactly the one who is doomed!
It's the feeling of weakness that makes it real, while rejecting that feeling, in itself, helps you become stronger.
As that Russian guy also mentioned, based on Ibn Khaldun's theory, the West is on a path of decline and internal conflict (due to the rise of the 4th generation). And you, at this specific point in time, think the West is the solution? Was it a solution for Ukraine? Is it even a solution for itself right now??
Stop pretending not to see the obvious: the truth is, you just don't want to endure hardship for the ideals you claim to believe in, so you prefer to adopt a new ideal and justify your inaction by claiming you're "waiting" for that ideal.(Or maybe you're just trolling, kike)
The world doesn't work like that, dear fool.
>powerful?? bro they are like at best 10 thousand...
Based.
>>393542
<It's a strange feeling when you're replying on someone's post, while he himself are arguing with a person who has mistaken him for me!
>TBH, yes.
If I ignore the rest of the nonsense you said afterward, I agree with this part.
Lack of identity always leads a person to ruin.
>Many of you people lost your way
"Many"??! Bro, those westoxified ideas of his don't even make up 1% of Iranian people. You simply can't fit that level of irrationality and westernized into Iranian society. Even the most pro-western Iranian analysts aren't this extreme.
>to the degree of being transgender tolerant and to show an alarming lust for money, plus you have an identity problem if you look at the west for inspiration.
You're completely out of touch…
First off, aside from a few zoomers, most people here don't even grasp what trans people are. And even the zoomers who do know, it's mostly because of the trans-related news and drama that comes from your side! Nearly all zoomers here actually dislike trans stuff, and generally all that lgbt and woke nonsense.
Even though sex reassignment surgery is legally allowed here, the regime's policy is basically: don't kill them, but don't feed or free them either. It works in a way that makes you regret it. First, after tons of paperwork, long and exhausting counseling sessions, psychiatric assessments, and medical testing, if they finally approve you for transition, then you need to pay a huge amount for the surgery.
And even after you become trans, you basically can't share that openly in society, because the society barely understands what a trans person even is. As soon as people find out you're trans, you start getting slowly pushed aside and socially isolated.
Honestly, there's nothing western about this. In fact, it feels like a kind of natural, structured resistance in society.
(Also, if you think things like "accepting trans people" is a western value, doesn't that backfire a bit? Like, western values used to be noble they were respected by other civilizations. And now? They have been reduced to stuff like "accepting trans people" as a core value? That's kinda tragic.)
And about money, if I ever had worries on that front, this war proved to me I was completely wrong. Iranians truly showed generosity and patience. Except for maybe the first two days of the war, when everyone was in shock and prices briefly spiked due to panic-buying, things quickly settled down. Prices dropped, and there was no mass hoarding.
Many sellers started offering their goods without profit, and a lot of landlords or lenders postponed rent or payments. (Some landlords even waived rent for that month entirely). Unlike westerners(who storm stores and hoard toilet paper the moment something happens), our people didn't behave like that.
Besides buying a few basic items like canned food, bread, oil, and rice, most people didn't overbuy, and there wasn't much panic at all. (In fact, some of those canned goods are still sitting on their shelves now, LoL!)
So keep that nonsense to yourself, seems like you have forgotten which country you're even talking about!
And I'll say it again: this whole "identity crisis" thing is absolute nonsense. People are just living their normal lives and focusing on getting by. This so-called identity crisis is something pushed by a handful of idiot traitors like him, and they don't even make up 1% of this society.
>Islam gives you a framework of morality and civility.
Alright, now I'm certain you have no idea what country you're talking about.
Iran before islam: the Persian Empire.
Iran after islam: the creators of the Islamic golden age, and later Iranian empires like the Safavids, Afsharids and Zand.
We had our own civilization even before islam.
Go say that kind of nonsense to the sandniggers, not to us, silly.
Also, since when has religion created the framework of civilization?
Just like islam didn't bring a new civilization to Iran but instead blended into the already existing Persian culture and structure, Christianity dragged you from the Roman empire into the brutal and ignorant period of the dark ages.
Did Christianity create your civilizational framework?
No! I don't buy that. Because later on, you had the Renaissance, and no new religion arrived then. That shows religion is not necessarily what builds civilization.
Maybe for westerners and arabs, religion played a stronger role, but we remained the same sophisticated civilization we had always been.
And you(after falling into that dark age), had to be pulled out by your enlightenment thinkers(many of whom were inspired by Iranian scholars).
This proves that religion alone doesn't make a people civilized.
>Don't get me wrong, Islam is poison for the West, and in the West must be destroyed together with its people living among us
I don't care whether the west becomes muslim or not. Personally, I prefer quality over quantity. But this nonsense of assigning each religion to a specific ethnicity and declaring it unsuitable for others, doesn't that contradict the very essence of religion itself? If you think kicking muslims and islam out of your country will solve your problems and stop you from acting like a horny nation tearing into each other and the world, I have no issue with that.
<It's a strange feeling when you're replying on someone's post, while he himself are arguing with a person who has mistaken him for me!
>TBH, yes.
If I ignore the rest of the nonsense you said afterward, I agree with this part.
Lack of identity always leads a person to ruin.
>Many of you people lost your way
"Many"??! Bro, those westoxified ideas of his don't even make up 1% of Iranian people. You simply can't fit that level of irrationality and westernized into Iranian society. Even the most pro-western Iranian analysts aren't this extreme.
>to the degree of being transgender tolerant and to show an alarming lust for money, plus you have an identity problem if you look at the west for inspiration.
You're completely out of touch…
First off, aside from a few zoomers, most people here don't even grasp what trans people are. And even the zoomers who do know, it's mostly because of the trans-related news and drama that comes from your side! Nearly all zoomers here actually dislike trans stuff, and generally all that lgbt and woke nonsense.
Even though sex reassignment surgery is legally allowed here, the regime's policy is basically: don't kill them, but don't feed or free them either. It works in a way that makes you regret it. First, after tons of paperwork, long and exhausting counseling sessions, psychiatric assessments, and medical testing, if they finally approve you for transition, then you need to pay a huge amount for the surgery.
And even after you become trans, you basically can't share that openly in society, because the society barely understands what a trans person even is. As soon as people find out you're trans, you start getting slowly pushed aside and socially isolated.
Honestly, there's nothing western about this. In fact, it feels like a kind of natural, structured resistance in society.
(Also, if you think things like "accepting trans people" is a western value, doesn't that backfire a bit? Like, western values used to be noble they were respected by other civilizations. And now? They have been reduced to stuff like "accepting trans people" as a core value? That's kinda tragic.)
And about money, if I ever had worries on that front, this war proved to me I was completely wrong. Iranians truly showed generosity and patience. Except for maybe the first two days of the war, when everyone was in shock and prices briefly spiked due to panic-buying, things quickly settled down. Prices dropped, and there was no mass hoarding.
Many sellers started offering their goods without profit, and a lot of landlords or lenders postponed rent or payments. (Some landlords even waived rent for that month entirely). Unlike westerners(who storm stores and hoard toilet paper the moment something happens), our people didn't behave like that.
Besides buying a few basic items like canned food, bread, oil, and rice, most people didn't overbuy, and there wasn't much panic at all. (In fact, some of those canned goods are still sitting on their shelves now, LoL!)
So keep that nonsense to yourself, seems like you have forgotten which country you're even talking about!
And I'll say it again: this whole "identity crisis" thing is absolute nonsense. People are just living their normal lives and focusing on getting by. This so-called identity crisis is something pushed by a handful of idiot traitors like him, and they don't even make up 1% of this society.
>Islam gives you a framework of morality and civility.
Alright, now I'm certain you have no idea what country you're talking about.
Iran before islam: the Persian Empire.
Iran after islam: the creators of the Islamic golden age, and later Iranian empires like the Safavids, Afsharids and Zand.
We had our own civilization even before islam.
Go say that kind of nonsense to the sandniggers, not to us, silly.
Also, since when has religion created the framework of civilization?
Just like islam didn't bring a new civilization to Iran but instead blended into the already existing Persian culture and structure, Christianity dragged you from the Roman empire into the brutal and ignorant period of the dark ages.
Did Christianity create your civilizational framework?
No! I don't buy that. Because later on, you had the Renaissance, and no new religion arrived then. That shows religion is not necessarily what builds civilization.
Maybe for westerners and arabs, religion played a stronger role, but we remained the same sophisticated civilization we had always been.
And you(after falling into that dark age), had to be pulled out by your enlightenment thinkers(many of whom were inspired by Iranian scholars).
This proves that religion alone doesn't make a people civilized.
>Don't get me wrong, Islam is poison for the West, and in the West must be destroyed together with its people living among us
I don't care whether the west becomes muslim or not. Personally, I prefer quality over quantity. But this nonsense of assigning each religion to a specific ethnicity and declaring it unsuitable for others, doesn't that contradict the very essence of religion itself? If you think kicking muslims and islam out of your country will solve your problems and stop you from acting like a horny nation tearing into each other and the world, I have no issue with that.
>>393542
>Way, way more I'm told, living there for thousands of years and having a grip on most of the economy, they are considered another iranian faction pulling the levers of power.
Can you tell me exactly from whom you heard this? (If it's not just from your ass)
I want to know how people can be brainwashed so easily and ridiculously.
Seriously, you fool! Those damn jews are everywhere! They have been living everywhere for years. It's like saying "there are birds in such and such place". Birds exist everywhere!
It's as if you think that because your government and society are controlled by ZOG, everyone else must be the same?? What a ridiculous delusion! If they were really going to become a faction in Iran, the principlists, the reformists, and other experienced factions would have crushed them before they even reached power!
Honestly, after all the nonsense you just said, I seriously doubt you even know where Iran is. Just know this, Iran is not defined by being western or eastern. It's defined by being Iranian! Once your brain can process that, then maybe you'll be in a position to share your 'insights'.
Looks like you're just another know-it-all who thinks they know everything about Iran after reading few articles and books.
You sound more like a brainwashed puppet wearing trillion-dollar glasses.
>>393547
>bro if you wanna be a traditionalist and fundamentalist just go back to a cave and live there , we humans use to do that
It seems like we've got a proud neoliberal leftist here...
>if you wanna stick into the past , you deserve to be left alone in the past
We are not meant to stick to the past, but history and the past are the guiding lights for the future. درخت روی ریشه اش سبز میشود!
>most of the fucking technology that you are using , PC , Phone , Electricity , Lights (lamps) etc and etc are invented/discovered by westerners. stop being ungrateful
Western philosophers were influenced by ours, and our philosophers by theirs. Their scientists built upon our discoveries, and our scientists built upon theirs. Their inventors learned from our inventions, and our inventors from theirs...
It's an unspoken, mutual, and friendly exchange between civilizations.
Neither did the west become Iranized, nor did Iranians become Westernized.
The essence of science is just that, it belongs to all of humanity and has nothing to do with cultural or political supremacy.
You're acting like a ten-year-old who's just discovered the concept of east and west.
>other than islam's golden era where advancement...
Well, you admit it yourself, so think about it a little!
Exactly when did all these disasters start happening to muslims? From when? Yes, precisely from the time the west decided to suppress them, and some westernized muslims (yes, this is the result of westoxification) opened the door for them to ruin everything, although they never fully succeeded.
Then, the kikes continued their path.
Think about it: do you really think any of this would've happened if there hadn't been westernized muslims? No!
So if you want to return to that golden era, you must stand on your own feet!
Abandoning your ideology is a recipe for ruin.
You can reform and improve your ideology by learning from others, but you can never completely throw it away.
No one will care about you more than yourself.
>cause islam is far from its root and any religion far from its root is considered harmful ideology full of poisonous backward thinkings
Religion itself never becomes corrupt or deviated. It may be the followers who go astray, but the religion itself doesn't change! Islam is still islam, but it was the westernized muslims who ruined it. Saying that islam itself has become entirely corrupt is a lie pushed by ZOG (the trillion-dollar glasses narrative).
>islam never was our religion and never will be our culture
Should the Iranian Mithraists and polytheists have said the same thing when Zoroastrianism arrived? Should the Zoroastrians have said it when Christianity came? And again when Islam arrived?
Religion is a dynamic concept and has nothing to do with race(although foolish kikes love to make it racial).
Even if you are the most racist person in the world, claiming your religion is exclusive to your race just makes you look like a fool.
>our language and culture got fucked by swarming of the arabic beetles to our country by ((force of SWORD))
I have already explained above about this ridiculous "force of sword" claim. Refer to that.
Another lie from the trillion-dollar glasses.
>they don't need to pull of jews in iran so israel can get in power. the prince reza is already a fucking US, britain , israeli shill...
Yes, he's a complete jerk. But don't take it too seriously. He really has no popular support. (I remember that "I give my mandate"(من وکالت میدهم) campaign of his, even though a bunch of idiots with bots and promos worked for him, they couldn't even gather 2 million signatures. That's barely 3% of the population.Even Siamak Ansari would have gotten more support).
Also, as far as I know, one must be born of a Jewish mother to be considered Jewish.
Besides, he's already so old and senile that he can't do anything. He's basically a walking puppet, there's no need to assassinate him.
>>393548
What are you, Dory's cousin or something?? Not even AI is this forgetful! The post you linked literally shows the guy hates kikes.
>>393549
This shows two things:
1: Your backwardness
2: Your ridiculous lack of logic, you're more focused on who said it than what was said.
>>393581
That's partially true. But let's be logical, even the most successful plans the west ever devised for Iran never really went fully as intended. It's as if Iran is that chaotic "Discord-like" part of the scene. I don't entirely blame your politicians: they can't really do much about it
>>393592
Based.
>Way, way more I'm told, living there for thousands of years and having a grip on most of the economy, they are considered another iranian faction pulling the levers of power.
Can you tell me exactly from whom you heard this? (If it's not just from your ass)
I want to know how people can be brainwashed so easily and ridiculously.
Seriously, you fool! Those damn jews are everywhere! They have been living everywhere for years. It's like saying "there are birds in such and such place". Birds exist everywhere!
It's as if you think that because your government and society are controlled by ZOG, everyone else must be the same?? What a ridiculous delusion! If they were really going to become a faction in Iran, the principlists, the reformists, and other experienced factions would have crushed them before they even reached power!
Honestly, after all the nonsense you just said, I seriously doubt you even know where Iran is. Just know this, Iran is not defined by being western or eastern. It's defined by being Iranian! Once your brain can process that, then maybe you'll be in a position to share your 'insights'.
Looks like you're just another know-it-all who thinks they know everything about Iran after reading few articles and books.
You sound more like a brainwashed puppet wearing trillion-dollar glasses.
>>393547
>bro if you wanna be a traditionalist and fundamentalist just go back to a cave and live there , we humans use to do that
It seems like we've got a proud neoliberal leftist here...
>if you wanna stick into the past , you deserve to be left alone in the past
We are not meant to stick to the past, but history and the past are the guiding lights for the future. درخت روی ریشه اش سبز میشود!
>most of the fucking technology that you are using , PC , Phone , Electricity , Lights (lamps) etc and etc are invented/discovered by westerners. stop being ungrateful
Western philosophers were influenced by ours, and our philosophers by theirs. Their scientists built upon our discoveries, and our scientists built upon theirs. Their inventors learned from our inventions, and our inventors from theirs...
It's an unspoken, mutual, and friendly exchange between civilizations.
Neither did the west become Iranized, nor did Iranians become Westernized.
The essence of science is just that, it belongs to all of humanity and has nothing to do with cultural or political supremacy.
You're acting like a ten-year-old who's just discovered the concept of east and west.
>other than islam's golden era where advancement...
Well, you admit it yourself, so think about it a little!
Exactly when did all these disasters start happening to muslims? From when? Yes, precisely from the time the west decided to suppress them, and some westernized muslims (yes, this is the result of westoxification) opened the door for them to ruin everything, although they never fully succeeded.
Then, the kikes continued their path.
Think about it: do you really think any of this would've happened if there hadn't been westernized muslims? No!
So if you want to return to that golden era, you must stand on your own feet!
Abandoning your ideology is a recipe for ruin.
You can reform and improve your ideology by learning from others, but you can never completely throw it away.
No one will care about you more than yourself.
>cause islam is far from its root and any religion far from its root is considered harmful ideology full of poisonous backward thinkings
Religion itself never becomes corrupt or deviated. It may be the followers who go astray, but the religion itself doesn't change! Islam is still islam, but it was the westernized muslims who ruined it. Saying that islam itself has become entirely corrupt is a lie pushed by ZOG (the trillion-dollar glasses narrative).
>islam never was our religion and never will be our culture
Should the Iranian Mithraists and polytheists have said the same thing when Zoroastrianism arrived? Should the Zoroastrians have said it when Christianity came? And again when Islam arrived?
Religion is a dynamic concept and has nothing to do with race(although foolish kikes love to make it racial).
Even if you are the most racist person in the world, claiming your religion is exclusive to your race just makes you look like a fool.
>our language and culture got fucked by swarming of the arabic beetles to our country by ((force of SWORD))
I have already explained above about this ridiculous "force of sword" claim. Refer to that.
Another lie from the trillion-dollar glasses.
>they don't need to pull of jews in iran so israel can get in power. the prince reza is already a fucking US, britain , israeli shill...
Yes, he's a complete jerk. But don't take it too seriously. He really has no popular support. (I remember that "I give my mandate"(من وکالت میدهم) campaign of his, even though a bunch of idiots with bots and promos worked for him, they couldn't even gather 2 million signatures. That's barely 3% of the population.Even Siamak Ansari would have gotten more support).
Also, as far as I know, one must be born of a Jewish mother to be considered Jewish.
Besides, he's already so old and senile that he can't do anything. He's basically a walking puppet, there's no need to assassinate him.
>>393548
What are you, Dory's cousin or something?? Not even AI is this forgetful! The post you linked literally shows the guy hates kikes.
>>393549
This shows two things:
1: Your backwardness
2: Your ridiculous lack of logic, you're more focused on who said it than what was said.
>>393581
That's partially true. But let's be logical, even the most successful plans the west ever devised for Iran never really went fully as intended. It's as if Iran is that chaotic "Discord-like" part of the scene. I don't entirely blame your politicians: they can't really do much about it
>>393592
Based.
>>393594
>>393595
>Three explosions have occurred in Iran in recent days...
Bro, this isn't just the recent days, it's more like the past few months. Your info is a bit outdated.
>One of the links is from an israeli website, so obviously, its stance when reporting on Iran is already clear.
>The other one is a lying news channel, funded by Saudi sandniggers and fully supported by the kikes, which has clearly shown its bias in this war. It was also the same media outlet that, during the 2019 and 2022 protests, ruined genuine public protests by spreading fake news, leaving behind nothing but a bunch of fools. In the end, it only served to make the opposition look like a bunch of clueless, unpatriotic idiots, all while siding with israel and the sandniggers.
Well then, stop messing around, trash. Honestly, if you were making stuff up from your own ass, it would be a hundred times better than parroting those ZOG-backed channels.
And you're promoting it?
>please follow iran international EN for the recent news about iran
No thanks! I prefer telegram channels, twitter accounts, blogs, and even foreign ZOG-backed news agencies over these ones. At least they can lie a bit less.
This Iran kikenational is no different from the state-run IRIB, except that at least IRIB doesn't lie in favor of the kikes.
GET LOST, ZOG BOT!!!
>>393595
>Three explosions have occurred in Iran in recent days...
Bro, this isn't just the recent days, it's more like the past few months. Your info is a bit outdated.
>One of the links is from an israeli website, so obviously, its stance when reporting on Iran is already clear.
>The other one is a lying news channel, funded by Saudi sandniggers and fully supported by the kikes, which has clearly shown its bias in this war. It was also the same media outlet that, during the 2019 and 2022 protests, ruined genuine public protests by spreading fake news, leaving behind nothing but a bunch of fools. In the end, it only served to make the opposition look like a bunch of clueless, unpatriotic idiots, all while siding with israel and the sandniggers.
Well then, stop messing around, trash. Honestly, if you were making stuff up from your own ass, it would be a hundred times better than parroting those ZOG-backed channels.
And you're promoting it?
>please follow iran international EN for the recent news about iran
No thanks! I prefer telegram channels, twitter accounts, blogs, and even foreign ZOG-backed news agencies over these ones. At least they can lie a bit less.
This Iran kikenational is no different from the state-run IRIB, except that at least IRIB doesn't lie in favor of the kikes.
GET LOST, ZOG BOT!!!
>>393682
first of all , give me 5 years to read all of them bullshit you wrote
honestly you should become a book writer
--
>i DoNt tRuSt iRan iNtErNaTiOnAl cAuCe aNoN I aM sMaRt
it is better than nothing i suppose
when a government ain't crystal clear with its people and keeps lying like a horse to them , well enemy became a better source
--
yeah i know they are biased and they be trying to push royalist pro-king agenda but atleast i get some actual news from them
i am pretty sure you antenna and you never watched any satellite channels
first of all , give me 5 years to read all of them bullshit you wrote
honestly you should become a book writer
--
>i DoNt tRuSt iRan iNtErNaTiOnAl cAuCe aNoN I aM sMaRt
it is better than nothing i suppose
when a government ain't crystal clear with its people and keeps lying like a horse to them , well enemy became a better source
--
yeah i know they are biased and they be trying to push royalist pro-king agenda but atleast i get some actual news from them
i am pretty sure you antenna and you never watched any satellite channels
>>393674
>i am bitter and angy
look , just tell me what are you suggest?
what do you like exactly?
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i don't like mojahedin-e-khalgh , they are absolute psychopaths
i don't like prince reza , he is an out of shape ugly asshole with average hentai rapist appeal , a rich spoiled kid sleeping with lullaby of her mother singing ''oh ma boi you gonna become the next gooba gooba''
i don't like shia extremist creepy ass mullahs , present is a good WHY for that
Commies are just a no no
Natzis...yeah right like the west world would let us to do that
Social democracy , might be a less painful government which also be a woke ass retardation
fuedalite? no
federal government like USA? i guess having states with their own rules but still following a main law of the Capital would not be a bad idea
==
that is my take on you , what do prefer my iranian senpai?
>i am bitter and angy
look , just tell me what are you suggest?
what do you like exactly?
--
i don't like mojahedin-e-khalgh , they are absolute psychopaths
i don't like prince reza , he is an out of shape ugly asshole with average hentai rapist appeal , a rich spoiled kid sleeping with lullaby of her mother singing ''oh ma boi you gonna become the next gooba gooba''
i don't like shia extremist creepy ass mullahs , present is a good WHY for that
Commies are just a no no
Natzis...yeah right like the west world would let us to do that
Social democracy , might be a less painful government which also be a woke ass retardation
fuedalite? no
federal government like USA? i guess having states with their own rules but still following a main law of the Capital would not be a bad idea
==
that is my take on you , what do prefer my iranian senpai?
>>393676
>oh you're armenian? so that means you are not iranian?
born and raise in iran motherfucker , and i am an iranian just like the femboy turks, arabs , mongols etc etc i considered an iranian-armenian
have to put shia in my ID so i won't get bullied and i don't have to go to religious minority schools
so yeah i have to forcefully practice islam
and that is why i have islamic knowledge
but i still prefer baba garyoo christianity
>First of all, he asked about the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, so why did you suddenly link it to the Armenian genocide?
turk is turk who cares , azerbaijan and turkey all of them are the same shit for me
for full years they have been in war with armanis and kurds
--
>Muslims (note: Muslims, not islam!)
islam is a violent religion teaching hatred toward non-muslims , it is an aggressive ideology in general
and yes i know islam itself is not a person
but it followers are a bunch of psycho-nuts
yeah i know christians did a lot of horrible things too
but it was a back in the days during the dark age era
and islam is still in that era
>oh you're armenian? so that means you are not iranian?
born and raise in iran motherfucker , and i am an iranian just like the femboy turks, arabs , mongols etc etc i considered an iranian-armenian
have to put shia in my ID so i won't get bullied and i don't have to go to religious minority schools
so yeah i have to forcefully practice islam
and that is why i have islamic knowledge
but i still prefer baba garyoo christianity
>First of all, he asked about the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, so why did you suddenly link it to the Armenian genocide?
turk is turk who cares , azerbaijan and turkey all of them are the same shit for me
for full years they have been in war with armanis and kurds
--
>Muslims (note: Muslims, not islam!)
islam is a violent religion teaching hatred toward non-muslims , it is an aggressive ideology in general
and yes i know islam itself is not a person
but it followers are a bunch of psycho-nuts
yeah i know christians did a lot of horrible things too
but it was a back in the days during the dark age era
and islam is still in that era
>>393680
>It seems like we've got a proud neoliberal leftist here...
i would trans-humanist even tho i don't call myself one , mostly 'cause of trans word in it
i believe human should stop fighting with their own species and go on to advance the technology
we exist on this planet for 50,000 years
we should have been conquered the whole galaxy with that time
but sadly we only advanced technology in recent 100 years
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>we are iranian we created the earth first
now you sound like a sausage indian nationalist who claims they created the first language , which ain't true
>(yes, this is the result of westoxification)
no this the result of falling behind of other countries
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>Should the Iranian Mithraists and polytheist...
why should even allow theocracy??
back in the day those religions were useful
yeah people did not had much brain to do the right things
so they needed to follow someone who is a bit more progressive than them (i don't mean the political way just someone who is ahead of their time)
so i respect zarathustra and muhammed and jesus for that
i agree they were open-minded for their time , and they wanted to change those retards around them
but any religion gets out-dated and after it becomes cruel and traditonal bulshitism
>It seems like we've got a proud neoliberal leftist here...
i would trans-humanist even tho i don't call myself one , mostly 'cause of trans word in it
i believe human should stop fighting with their own species and go on to advance the technology
we exist on this planet for 50,000 years
we should have been conquered the whole galaxy with that time
but sadly we only advanced technology in recent 100 years
--
>we are iranian we created the earth first
now you sound like a sausage indian nationalist who claims they created the first language , which ain't true
>(yes, this is the result of westoxification)
no this the result of falling behind of other countries
--
>Should the Iranian Mithraists and polytheist...
why should even allow theocracy??
back in the day those religions were useful
yeah people did not had much brain to do the right things
so they needed to follow someone who is a bit more progressive than them (i don't mean the political way just someone who is ahead of their time)
so i respect zarathustra and muhammed and jesus for that
i agree they were open-minded for their time , and they wanted to change those retards around them
but any religion gets out-dated and after it becomes cruel and traditonal bulshitism
>>393680
also another questions
why the fuck are you siding with islam
what did you saw in it that no one else ever did
islam ain't your culture , stop for fuck sake spending time defending it
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i am not preaching christianity here like at all
yes i follow it dearly but i do in fact accept every criticism against it as well
my fellow brothers did a lot of horrible things when they were in power (mostly catholics tho)
you should accept it as well
islam is a assbackward traditionalist ideology that keeps us in the past and uses guilt to blame us for being what we are ,human , and uses hell and heaven to scares/terrorize us to follow it , just like judaism and christianity
also another questions
why the fuck are you siding with islam
what did you saw in it that no one else ever did
islam ain't your culture , stop for fuck sake spending time defending it
--
i am not preaching christianity here like at all
yes i follow it dearly but i do in fact accept every criticism against it as well
my fellow brothers did a lot of horrible things when they were in power (mostly catholics tho)
you should accept it as well
islam is a assbackward traditionalist ideology that keeps us in the past and uses guilt to blame us for being what we are ,human , and uses hell and heaven to scares/terrorize us to follow it , just like judaism and christianity
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>>392216
>>393148
We finally estimated about 1200-1800 sorties (550-800 strike sorties) during 12-day war. Similar daily numbers to 1999 Serbia bombing but much more selective (no actual attacks against major civilian infrastructure like oil refineries and power plants). Too few data to make any assumptions still. As always, we must wait for real leaks about this war at least 10-20 years.
>>393377
Looks like another kind of media kikery. Just looks at map: the air route over Turkey, then Azerbaijan, Caspian sea just to drop some bomb to Tehran? Too much distance, too much risk. But maybe this is backup route to exit Iranian air space during first day of operation. Or maybe one of fighters take damage/malfunction and been forced to emergency landing in Azerbaijan, like that F-35 in India >>392981
>>393666
>As we know, israel hasn't launched major or widespread attacks on them(in south)
I noticed it too, no serious attacks from sea. Yeah, Iranian has most of air defense near southern shore, but this situation looks quite typical. Our aviation avoid to bomb Ukraine from Black Sea too. Usually 2-4 of our bombers attack from zone, protected by air defence capable to shot down incoming missiles and immediately retaliate. This tactics of Su-34 + Buk/Tor battery + Iskander ballistic missiles pretty damn strong to counter Patriot missiles and harass the launchers. I think kikes used similar tactics with air-based cruise missiles with Starlink TERCOM for fast retaliation strikes.
>>393661
>So my question is this: Isn't it possible that air defense systems are also being sent (to Iran)?
Very possible, but most likely not just launchers and radars, but crews too. This is desired opportunity for both China and Russia to collect information about NATO air force tactics and limitations. But long-range air defense divisions are bulky structures, they need a lot of supply and preparations to be installed as part of Iranian air defense system. They can't be delivered quickly in days like EW-equipment. About 2-6 months I think.
For example some information about USSR S-200 air defense division:
- one radar (used only during launch, external connection for detection)
- 6 launchers on trailers + 36 trucks with munition and equipment (46 trucks/cars total)
- control unit, signal unit, ELINT unit, service units (fuel, supply, repair, kitchen)
- about 800 tonnes cargo (490t vehicles, 140t equipment, 170t munition)
- 82-96 personnel (7-10 officers, 21-26 sergeants, 54-60 soldiers)
American Patriot division have similar structure, as well as Russian S-300 and S-400 (just with truck-based launchers instead of trailers and less personnel because of this). Major problem is preparations of air defense positions: each division need at least 18 positions for 6 launchers with camouflage, engineering works (thousands of manhours), shelters for crew. And a lot of decoys (part of trucks can be used for this).
Also, some details:
- If you see bad video with some truck and explosion without visible crew, with 3/4 chance it's just decoy. Ukrainians used old munition trucks and malfunction missiles for this, they looks just like launchers.
- When you see how Patriot suddenly launch all munition in seconds, it is not to intercept missile, but common tactics to protect crew against direct hit. No munition, no increased risk to personnel in shelter.
>>392362
>Right now, you're talking to someone who's the second best winchester shooter in his native village (the first is my cousin), and since I was 12-13, I've been familiar with ak47.
I have another gift. If situation becomes serious and you or someone of your friends suddenly fount themselves in the role of a officers, take a look at this manuals. This is our anthology of warfare during 2023-2024 period. A lot of real tactical examples, experience of the various units, analysis and professional compilation. But detailed chronology about how drone warfare changes tactics through months is the best part:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240705160433/http://conjuncture.ru/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/book-markin-combat-experience-special-military-operation-2023-2024.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20250519012937/http://conjuncture.ru/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/book-markin-combat-experience-special-military-operation-2024-second-notebook-2025.pdf
>>393148
We finally estimated about 1200-1800 sorties (550-800 strike sorties) during 12-day war. Similar daily numbers to 1999 Serbia bombing but much more selective (no actual attacks against major civilian infrastructure like oil refineries and power plants). Too few data to make any assumptions still. As always, we must wait for real leaks about this war at least 10-20 years.
>>393377
Looks like another kind of media kikery. Just looks at map: the air route over Turkey, then Azerbaijan, Caspian sea just to drop some bomb to Tehran? Too much distance, too much risk. But maybe this is backup route to exit Iranian air space during first day of operation. Or maybe one of fighters take damage/malfunction and been forced to emergency landing in Azerbaijan, like that F-35 in India >>392981
>>393666
>As we know, israel hasn't launched major or widespread attacks on them(in south)
I noticed it too, no serious attacks from sea. Yeah, Iranian has most of air defense near southern shore, but this situation looks quite typical. Our aviation avoid to bomb Ukraine from Black Sea too. Usually 2-4 of our bombers attack from zone, protected by air defence capable to shot down incoming missiles and immediately retaliate. This tactics of Su-34 + Buk/Tor battery + Iskander ballistic missiles pretty damn strong to counter Patriot missiles and harass the launchers. I think kikes used similar tactics with air-based cruise missiles with Starlink TERCOM for fast retaliation strikes.
>>393661
>So my question is this: Isn't it possible that air defense systems are also being sent (to Iran)?
Very possible, but most likely not just launchers and radars, but crews too. This is desired opportunity for both China and Russia to collect information about NATO air force tactics and limitations. But long-range air defense divisions are bulky structures, they need a lot of supply and preparations to be installed as part of Iranian air defense system. They can't be delivered quickly in days like EW-equipment. About 2-6 months I think.
For example some information about USSR S-200 air defense division:
- one radar (used only during launch, external connection for detection)
- 6 launchers on trailers + 36 trucks with munition and equipment (46 trucks/cars total)
- control unit, signal unit, ELINT unit, service units (fuel, supply, repair, kitchen)
- about 800 tonnes cargo (490t vehicles, 140t equipment, 170t munition)
- 82-96 personnel (7-10 officers, 21-26 sergeants, 54-60 soldiers)
American Patriot division have similar structure, as well as Russian S-300 and S-400 (just with truck-based launchers instead of trailers and less personnel because of this). Major problem is preparations of air defense positions: each division need at least 18 positions for 6 launchers with camouflage, engineering works (thousands of manhours), shelters for crew. And a lot of decoys (part of trucks can be used for this).
Also, some details:
- If you see bad video with some truck and explosion without visible crew, with 3/4 chance it's just decoy. Ukrainians used old munition trucks and malfunction missiles for this, they looks just like launchers.
- When you see how Patriot suddenly launch all munition in seconds, it is not to intercept missile, but common tactics to protect crew against direct hit. No munition, no increased risk to personnel in shelter.
>>392362
>Right now, you're talking to someone who's the second best winchester shooter in his native village (the first is my cousin), and since I was 12-13, I've been familiar with ak47.
I have another gift. If situation becomes serious and you or someone of your friends suddenly fount themselves in the role of a officers, take a look at this manuals. This is our anthology of warfare during 2023-2024 period. A lot of real tactical examples, experience of the various units, analysis and professional compilation. But detailed chronology about how drone warfare changes tactics through months is the best part:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240705160433/http://conjuncture.ru/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/book-markin-combat-experience-special-military-operation-2023-2024.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20250519012937/http://conjuncture.ru/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/book-markin-combat-experience-special-military-operation-2024-second-notebook-2025.pdf
>>393667
>>393676
>(As I write this, you're now involved in a conflict with Azerbaijan.)
>Azerbaijan has never had a good relationship with Iran. Many of israel's attacks came via Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan is practically ZOG.
Yeah, we perfectly know about jewish influence there, even in general public. Currently government arrest not just some diaspora leaders, but Israeli assets with family connections. I said before that then starting to threatening our logistics companies after 16 June. This is retaliation.
>This might sound like a conspiracy theory, but I think it could have been created by the kikes to cause instability in the region.
Actually, I think, this is Russia provoke Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict after color revolution in Armenia. We can help Armenian much more, like before, but there is national traitor party in charge. So, Russia make this war possible to raise nationalism in Armenia, but no one expected fuel blockade and genocide level folly in Nagorno-Karabakh. We expected just 1-2 steps on stair of escalation, but Azerbaijan suddenly makes 10 steps during this war.
Currently situation too serious to ignore. Even if Armenia fail to media kikery and color revolution, they still much closer to Russia than Georgians. As nation they are our friends. As state Armenia is part of Russian area denial strategy (from 1990s Russia maintain exclaves like Kaliningrad, Transnistria, Crimea, Abkhazia, etc) to block NATO expansion and transport routes. I think, if Azerbaijan starts further offensives in Armenia, Russia will stop it, even against our short-term interests, like tempo of Ukrainian war.
Anyway, stable or not, better to not seize this region for both Russia and Iran. There is always better to have few small states between borders of our countries to prevent future conflicts. I don't expect military campaign, Russia not ready to finish Ukrainian war before strategical breakthrough, and our reserves prepared to possible happening in Kazakhstan. Besides we have mountain ridge between Russia and Azerbaijan and fast military operation like our 2008 Georgian war will be very tricky to try again in decade of drone warfare.
Finally, Iran can block Azerbaijan entirely, if it begins to threaten Caspian sea route. I heard Iran have about 150k army in north-west military district, bases and logistics long ago prepared for this campaign. But this is not necessary. From our perspective Azeri elites looks opportunistic, but clever, like typical mafia group. They cares mostly about money and image during their expansionism period, so threat to their economy will be enough. They are not ready to die for Israel in hopeless war.
>>393682
Also, 15k words! My esteem. As a humble nonfiction writer, I seriously expected that you will make a book one day. You are truly Russian level autistic, Iranian bro.
>>393676
>(As I write this, you're now involved in a conflict with Azerbaijan.)
>Azerbaijan has never had a good relationship with Iran. Many of israel's attacks came via Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan is practically ZOG.
Yeah, we perfectly know about jewish influence there, even in general public. Currently government arrest not just some diaspora leaders, but Israeli assets with family connections. I said before that then starting to threatening our logistics companies after 16 June. This is retaliation.
>This might sound like a conspiracy theory, but I think it could have been created by the kikes to cause instability in the region.
Actually, I think, this is Russia provoke Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict after color revolution in Armenia. We can help Armenian much more, like before, but there is national traitor party in charge. So, Russia make this war possible to raise nationalism in Armenia, but no one expected fuel blockade and genocide level folly in Nagorno-Karabakh. We expected just 1-2 steps on stair of escalation, but Azerbaijan suddenly makes 10 steps during this war.
Currently situation too serious to ignore. Even if Armenia fail to media kikery and color revolution, they still much closer to Russia than Georgians. As nation they are our friends. As state Armenia is part of Russian area denial strategy (from 1990s Russia maintain exclaves like Kaliningrad, Transnistria, Crimea, Abkhazia, etc) to block NATO expansion and transport routes. I think, if Azerbaijan starts further offensives in Armenia, Russia will stop it, even against our short-term interests, like tempo of Ukrainian war.
Anyway, stable or not, better to not seize this region for both Russia and Iran. There is always better to have few small states between borders of our countries to prevent future conflicts. I don't expect military campaign, Russia not ready to finish Ukrainian war before strategical breakthrough, and our reserves prepared to possible happening in Kazakhstan. Besides we have mountain ridge between Russia and Azerbaijan and fast military operation like our 2008 Georgian war will be very tricky to try again in decade of drone warfare.
Finally, Iran can block Azerbaijan entirely, if it begins to threaten Caspian sea route. I heard Iran have about 150k army in north-west military district, bases and logistics long ago prepared for this campaign. But this is not necessary. From our perspective Azeri elites looks opportunistic, but clever, like typical mafia group. They cares mostly about money and image during their expansionism period, so threat to their economy will be enough. They are not ready to die for Israel in hopeless war.
>>393682
Also, 15k words! My esteem. As a humble nonfiction writer, I seriously expected that you will make a book one day. You are truly Russian level autistic, Iranian bro.
>Tucker Carlson interviews President of Iran Masoud Pezeshkian
https://youtu.be/RYhK2gO3HEM?feature=shared
...
Maybe useful or interesting
https://youtu.be/RYhK2gO3HEM?feature=shared
...
Maybe useful or interesting
>>393792
This is probably one of the mildest and least radical opinions among the current political class of the regime, a passive and non-radical reformist. Even within his own party, he wasn't considered the top choice for the presidential candidacy, but due to a number of complex reasons, he ended up being the only one who could run.
Not a big deal,
but more than nothing...
This is probably one of the mildest and least radical opinions among the current political class of the regime, a passive and non-radical reformist. Even within his own party, he wasn't considered the top choice for the presidential candidacy, but due to a number of complex reasons, he ended up being the only one who could run.
Not a big deal,
but more than nothing...
The nothing ever happens chuds were right again.
>>393804
No, I haven't had time to write all of them yet.
You know how much I write.
And btw, before accusing me of this nonsense, answer the questions I asked you in the texts I sent earlier.
Don't think I forget.
No, I haven't had time to write all of them yet.
You know how much I write.
And btw, before accusing me of this nonsense, answer the questions I asked you in the texts I sent earlier.
Don't think I forget.
>>393795
Just two more weeks to deport all of the Mexicans before the USA can risk the civil unrest brought about by entering a war. Don't worry, it's still happening. Donald just needs time. He is monitoring the situation.
Just two more weeks to deport all of the Mexicans before the USA can risk the civil unrest brought about by entering a war. Don't worry, it's still happening. Donald just needs time. He is monitoring the situation.
>>393795
جوجه رو آخر پاییز میشمرن
Oh, btw, in that same episode of sponge bob from which you sent the meme, that same Mr.Krabs (chud) ends up losing all his money in the end...
جوجه رو آخر پاییز میشمرن
Oh, btw, in that same episode of sponge bob from which you sent the meme, that same Mr.Krabs (chud) ends up losing all his money in the end...
>>393805
>answer the questions I asked you
which one? i don't see any exclamation mark
--
btw the only reason that i am mad at you is only because you said you side with government when a foreign country attacked
that pissed me off , cause that is what they want
both nethan-yahoo and noon khamei need fear mongering and hatred toward another country to stay in power
i hate both of them , but one of them lives closer to me
don't mistake your enemy
هیچ شیری خانه چوبی را خراب نمی کند
مرا این صدای موریانه های داخل می ترساند
also most of our governors are idf/mossad spies anyway
so same thing
>answer the questions I asked you
which one? i don't see any exclamation mark
--
btw the only reason that i am mad at you is only because you said you side with government when a foreign country attacked
that pissed me off , cause that is what they want
both nethan-yahoo and noon khamei need fear mongering and hatred toward another country to stay in power
i hate both of them , but one of them lives closer to me
don't mistake your enemy
هیچ شیری خانه چوبی را خراب نمی کند
مرا این صدای موریانه های داخل می ترساند
also most of our governors are idf/mossad spies anyway
so same thing
>>392216
Uranium enrichment in Iran.
Natural uranium has 0.72% U-235 isotope, weapon grade uranium needs 90% U-235:
- 150 kiloton nuke needs 25 kg U-235 (30% energy conversion, 1940s implosion design or 1960s neutron initiator)
- 25 kg U-235 = 7 tons natural uranium = 14 000 tons 0.05% uranium ore from Saghand mine (6.64 TJ energy to extraction, 1-1.4 million USD)
- 25 kg U-235 = 6000 SWU (separative work units) = 2 years work for 9+3+1 cascades of 2132 IR-1 gas centrifuges (2.16 TJ energy to separation, about 0.9 million USD)
- Saghand mine --> Yazd milling plant --> Isfahan conversion facility --> Natanz enrichment facility --> Fordow
I expected 10% loses during process and take this into account.
Modern uranium enrichment process is complex but cheap:
- Uranium ore --> leeching (sulphuric acid) --> yellowcake (Uranium dioxide)
- Yellowcake --> Conversion facility (fluorine) --> uranium hexafluoride
- Uranium hexafluoride --> heating (gas after 56.5°C) --> separation (gas centrifuges)
To separate part of 0.72% U-235 from 99.283% U-238 in uranium hexafluoride centrifuge should have >1200 rotations per second. This is why rotors are narrow. Long rotors increases separation factor, but sequences of short centrifuges more energy effective and failproof than cascade of bigger ones. Cascades of hundreds small centrifuges more suitable for 70-80% separation of 0.72% U-235, but cascade of bigger ones can separate weapon grade uranium 5-10 times faster.
Russian design prefer short 0.7-1 meter 4-8.5 SWU subcritical centrifuges with extremely long 30 year lifespan and 0.1% malfunction chance yearly. There is no mechanical parts inside, only vacuum around rotor, two Alnico magnets and yelling needle on the corundum foundation. Just imagine hundreds of thousands batponies constantly singing "EEEEEEEeeee!" this is audible experience of Russian enrichment plant. European Urenco prefer multi-segment 3.65 meter long 40-80 SWU overcritical centrifuges (this means that they crossed resonance threshold), they are silent ones. They are still worse that Russian design in term of unit cost and weight, mass production, energy efficacy and safety reasons, but fast developing and theoretically better than subcritical ones. For Iran the subcritical centrifuges is better choice, they are invulnerable to earthquakes and better suited to underground facilities.
Iranian centrifuges:
- IR-1 -- 330 m/s, 1.5 SWU (1.66 SWU - Salehi, 1 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-2m -- 550 m/s, 6.9 SWU (2-3 SWU - unknown, 5 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-2m -- 700 m/s, 4.5-6 SWU (×3-4 times better than IR-1 - Salehi)
- IR-3 -- ??? m/s, ??? SWU (10 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-4 -- ??? m/s, 5 SWU (3 SWU - unknown, 5 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-6 -- 700 m/s, 5.25-6.7 SWU (6 SWU - unknown, 10 - Salehi)
- IR-8 -- overcritical, 16 SWU (16-24 unknown, 20 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-9 -- overcritical, 50 SWU (50 SWU - Salehi)
In 2021 Salehi said that before 2014 Iran uses only IR-1 centrifuges for enrichment. Iranian IR-1 similar to Pakistan P-1, oldest Zippe-type centrifuge Urenco design, but Abdul Qadeer Khan simplified this design significantly, because lack of European spare parts. My colleague found 1996 Russian government order to customs service about cases of centrifuges and corrosion-resistant tubes for cascades. In 2011 Iran tried to buy 100k Ferroxdur 360 magnets for 50k IR-1 centrifuges through Chinese middleman. Chinese centrifuges initially is copies of Russian ВТ-33Д 1984 design. Iranian IR-6 (200×1100 mm carbon fiber rotor) pretty similar to Russian ВТ-25 1997 design by characteristics but looks different, because of aluminum case.
Russian gas centrifuge ВТ-33Д 1984 design has enrichment capacity 5 SWU/year with 30 Watt motor inside. Usually centrifuge never stop working, therefore motor energy consumption is 190 MJ/SWU. I check the whole plants electricity consumption and found 360 MJ/SWU. For Rosatom enrichment prime cost about 30 USD/SWU (20% electricity). For Urenco in 2023 full cost 160 USD/SWU (5-8% electricity). During 1980s Russian Ural Electrochemical Combine with whole centrifuge equipment research + production and 12M SWU/year facility with about 3 millions ВТ-7 and ВТ-33Д gas centrifuges and with production about 100k centrifuges yearly has 12.2k personnel (2k in enrichment facility with 30-50% administration). So, 1 SWU maintenance = 0.3 manhour. New Urenco enrichment plant project for Georges Besse II has 1.7 billion USD budget during 2023-2030 and 1000 construction workers to enlarge capacity from 7.5M to 11M SWU, which means less than 300 USD/SWU equipment and 3.8 manhours/SWU to construction and installation.
IR-1 centrifuge:
- Cost less than 500 USD.
- 0.5 manhours/year maintenance.
- 6 manhours construction + installation.
- <10% malfunctions per year (IAEA report about 800-900 replacements yearly)
- 2 SWU in theory (330 m/s, 10-11 cm rotor, 2 m length, 4 segments, 0.5 SWU per segment)
- 1.5 SWU in cascade (my estimations from IAEA reports for Natanz facility during 2009-2013)
- Weight between 50-100 kg (breakage prone aluminium rotor in aluminum case)
- Two ring magnets Ferroxdur 360 (barium ferrite)
- Maraging steel needle on corundum base.
- Pito tubes with gas separating nozzles.
- Electric motor 20-30 Watts.
In 2019 Salehi said that Iran finish rotor production plant and can produce 60 IR-6 centrifuges daily (18k yearly, 100k SWU/year). Overall, If Iran can produce hundreds of state of art ballistic missiles with ±15-30 meter accuracy, gas centrifuges is not a problem at all.
Uranium enrichment in Iran.
Natural uranium has 0.72% U-235 isotope, weapon grade uranium needs 90% U-235:
- 150 kiloton nuke needs 25 kg U-235 (30% energy conversion, 1940s implosion design or 1960s neutron initiator)
- 25 kg U-235 = 7 tons natural uranium = 14 000 tons 0.05% uranium ore from Saghand mine (6.64 TJ energy to extraction, 1-1.4 million USD)
- 25 kg U-235 = 6000 SWU (separative work units) = 2 years work for 9+3+1 cascades of 2132 IR-1 gas centrifuges (2.16 TJ energy to separation, about 0.9 million USD)
- Saghand mine --> Yazd milling plant --> Isfahan conversion facility --> Natanz enrichment facility --> Fordow
I expected 10% loses during process and take this into account.
Modern uranium enrichment process is complex but cheap:
- Uranium ore --> leeching (sulphuric acid) --> yellowcake (Uranium dioxide)
- Yellowcake --> Conversion facility (fluorine) --> uranium hexafluoride
- Uranium hexafluoride --> heating (gas after 56.5°C) --> separation (gas centrifuges)
To separate part of 0.72% U-235 from 99.283% U-238 in uranium hexafluoride centrifuge should have >1200 rotations per second. This is why rotors are narrow. Long rotors increases separation factor, but sequences of short centrifuges more energy effective and failproof than cascade of bigger ones. Cascades of hundreds small centrifuges more suitable for 70-80% separation of 0.72% U-235, but cascade of bigger ones can separate weapon grade uranium 5-10 times faster.
Russian design prefer short 0.7-1 meter 4-8.5 SWU subcritical centrifuges with extremely long 30 year lifespan and 0.1% malfunction chance yearly. There is no mechanical parts inside, only vacuum around rotor, two Alnico magnets and yelling needle on the corundum foundation. Just imagine hundreds of thousands batponies constantly singing "EEEEEEEeeee!" this is audible experience of Russian enrichment plant. European Urenco prefer multi-segment 3.65 meter long 40-80 SWU overcritical centrifuges (this means that they crossed resonance threshold), they are silent ones. They are still worse that Russian design in term of unit cost and weight, mass production, energy efficacy and safety reasons, but fast developing and theoretically better than subcritical ones. For Iran the subcritical centrifuges is better choice, they are invulnerable to earthquakes and better suited to underground facilities.
Iranian centrifuges:
- IR-1 -- 330 m/s, 1.5 SWU (1.66 SWU - Salehi, 1 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-2m -- 550 m/s, 6.9 SWU (2-3 SWU - unknown, 5 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-2m -- 700 m/s, 4.5-6 SWU (×3-4 times better than IR-1 - Salehi)
- IR-3 -- ??? m/s, ??? SWU (10 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-4 -- ??? m/s, 5 SWU (3 SWU - unknown, 5 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-6 -- 700 m/s, 5.25-6.7 SWU (6 SWU - unknown, 10 - Salehi)
- IR-8 -- overcritical, 16 SWU (16-24 unknown, 20 SWU - Salehi)
- IR-9 -- overcritical, 50 SWU (50 SWU - Salehi)
In 2021 Salehi said that before 2014 Iran uses only IR-1 centrifuges for enrichment. Iranian IR-1 similar to Pakistan P-1, oldest Zippe-type centrifuge Urenco design, but Abdul Qadeer Khan simplified this design significantly, because lack of European spare parts. My colleague found 1996 Russian government order to customs service about cases of centrifuges and corrosion-resistant tubes for cascades. In 2011 Iran tried to buy 100k Ferroxdur 360 magnets for 50k IR-1 centrifuges through Chinese middleman. Chinese centrifuges initially is copies of Russian ВТ-33Д 1984 design. Iranian IR-6 (200×1100 mm carbon fiber rotor) pretty similar to Russian ВТ-25 1997 design by characteristics but looks different, because of aluminum case.
Russian gas centrifuge ВТ-33Д 1984 design has enrichment capacity 5 SWU/year with 30 Watt motor inside. Usually centrifuge never stop working, therefore motor energy consumption is 190 MJ/SWU. I check the whole plants electricity consumption and found 360 MJ/SWU. For Rosatom enrichment prime cost about 30 USD/SWU (20% electricity). For Urenco in 2023 full cost 160 USD/SWU (5-8% electricity). During 1980s Russian Ural Electrochemical Combine with whole centrifuge equipment research + production and 12M SWU/year facility with about 3 millions ВТ-7 and ВТ-33Д gas centrifuges and with production about 100k centrifuges yearly has 12.2k personnel (2k in enrichment facility with 30-50% administration). So, 1 SWU maintenance = 0.3 manhour. New Urenco enrichment plant project for Georges Besse II has 1.7 billion USD budget during 2023-2030 and 1000 construction workers to enlarge capacity from 7.5M to 11M SWU, which means less than 300 USD/SWU equipment and 3.8 manhours/SWU to construction and installation.
IR-1 centrifuge:
- Cost less than 500 USD.
- 0.5 manhours/year maintenance.
- 6 manhours construction + installation.
- <10% malfunctions per year (IAEA report about 800-900 replacements yearly)
- 2 SWU in theory (330 m/s, 10-11 cm rotor, 2 m length, 4 segments, 0.5 SWU per segment)
- 1.5 SWU in cascade (my estimations from IAEA reports for Natanz facility during 2009-2013)
- Weight between 50-100 kg (breakage prone aluminium rotor in aluminum case)
- Two ring magnets Ferroxdur 360 (barium ferrite)
- Maraging steel needle on corundum base.
- Pito tubes with gas separating nozzles.
- Electric motor 20-30 Watts.
In 2019 Salehi said that Iran finish rotor production plant and can produce 60 IR-6 centrifuges daily (18k yearly, 100k SWU/year). Overall, If Iran can produce hundreds of state of art ballistic missiles with ±15-30 meter accuracy, gas centrifuges is not a problem at all.
>>392216
>>393824
Iranian enrichment plants and results of bombardment.
Centrifuges work in cascades. For example, South African plant was designed to produce Uranium-235 in three steps:
- Two cascades, C1 and C2, consisting of 1968 centrifuges each, would in parallel enrich natural uranium to 3.5%;
- The HC-01 cascade, consisting of 1312 centrifuges, would enrich the 3.5% material to 20%;
- The HC-02 cascade (456 centrifuges) would enrich the 20% material to 60% enrichment;
- The HC-03 cascade (128 centrifuges) would produce the final product, 90% enriched.
Total 3864 centrifuges.
In this example external C1 and C2 cascades can works openly, but for further enrichment better to use hidden secured place for cascades HC-01/02/03. Cascade design is hardest part, most of energy efficacy depends on it. Russian Theory of Cascades recommends multilayer racks in kilometer long halls with hundreds of thousands centrifuges. As subcritical ones they are resistant to sabotage: units are dirty cheap and mass produced, any damage can be fixed in weeks. There is no dangerous radiation from natural and 3.5% uranium-235 and uranium hexafluoride can be easily sweeped by vacuum cleaner.
Iranian Natanz facility (PFEP) represent external cascades to produced low enrichment uranium. Inside we can see U-shaped tunnel and 2 cavernous halls 23 meters bellow ground, 2×3000 square meters, place for 47 000 centrifuges. According to the International Atomic Energy Agency, before the strike Iran was operating over 6000 IR-1, 6500 IR-2m, 4000 IR-4 and over 3000 IR-6. Most of them works in Natanz facility to produce 3.37% U-235, then product was transported to Fordow plant (FFEP) with underground space about 10k square meters to further enrichment.
Cascade equipment:
- Cost less than 100k USD.
- <100 manhours/year maintenance.
- <1000 manhours construction + installation.
- 164 IR-1 centrifuges connected in 15-stage cascade (246 SWU)
- blue tubes -- for depleted uranium tails (Russian classification)
- red tubes -- for enrichment uranium (Russian classification)
- yellow tubes -- for raw uranium (Russian classification)
- heating elements over centrifuges (for separation)
- cooling tubes under centrifuges (for separation)
- autoclave (+60-100°C heating) for uranium hexafluoride
- cooling trap (-70°C freezer) for uranium hexafluoride
- air-conditioner (15000 Btu/h, 16 MJ/hour)
- vacuum pump
- gas pump
- accumulator
- 10 kW diesel generator
Overall this is kilometer long system of corrosion-resistant tubes.
Each of two Natanz hall has place for 23 500 centrifuges, most of them installed in hall A with volume about 18k m³. Hall shape presumably 120×25×6 meters, but for simplification let's represent it as sphere with 16 meter radius and 3200 m² surface. Bomb has 14 tons mass with 2.5 ton explosives, this means up to 2.3M fragments from explosion and 720 fragments/m² of sphere surface.
Two bunker busting bombs surely can destroy the both halls of Natanz plant and most of centrifuges. About 20 tons of hexafluoride may be messed with debris, but can be easily extracted. Economical losses up to 9 millions USD and less than 100k manhours construction works and installation. About 2 months works for engineering battalion. Centrifuges can be replaced in a 6 months. Iranian defense budget is 2.2% GDP, about 35 billion USD (34% IRGC, 13% regular military, 7% Defence ministry). IRGC can repair Natanz facility just with 1/100 of monthly budget.
I think Natanz facility just demonstrative object for IAEA watchdogs. There is why:
- Minimal effective plant to make 3.5% product is 12 cascade configuration of 1968 centrifuges.
- Minimal effective plant to make 90% product from 3.5% material is 3+1 configuration of 656 centrifuges.
This variant can extract 70% U-235 from natural uranium and enrich to 90% with 10% losses.
First stage can be easily hidden somewhere, like trucks inside underground parking, small warehouse, containers inside cargo ship. There is very simple installation: just 1.2 million USD, 250 meters space, 120 kW generators, 5 tons/year uranium hexafluoride, ×2 normal radiation level, 2 operators, few guards. There is no economical sense to bomb this installation, it can be replaced too easily. But for further stages of enrichment possible to detect uranium traces by UAV with sniffer, better to use safe place like Fordow or some old mine.
Fordow centrifuge halls can't be damaged by any conversational weapon. Natanz can be replaced by smallest facilities. Most important and vulnerable site is Isfahan conversion plant.
>>393824
Iranian enrichment plants and results of bombardment.
Centrifuges work in cascades. For example, South African plant was designed to produce Uranium-235 in three steps:
- Two cascades, C1 and C2, consisting of 1968 centrifuges each, would in parallel enrich natural uranium to 3.5%;
- The HC-01 cascade, consisting of 1312 centrifuges, would enrich the 3.5% material to 20%;
- The HC-02 cascade (456 centrifuges) would enrich the 20% material to 60% enrichment;
- The HC-03 cascade (128 centrifuges) would produce the final product, 90% enriched.
Total 3864 centrifuges.
In this example external C1 and C2 cascades can works openly, but for further enrichment better to use hidden secured place for cascades HC-01/02/03. Cascade design is hardest part, most of energy efficacy depends on it. Russian Theory of Cascades recommends multilayer racks in kilometer long halls with hundreds of thousands centrifuges. As subcritical ones they are resistant to sabotage: units are dirty cheap and mass produced, any damage can be fixed in weeks. There is no dangerous radiation from natural and 3.5% uranium-235 and uranium hexafluoride can be easily sweeped by vacuum cleaner.
Iranian Natanz facility (PFEP) represent external cascades to produced low enrichment uranium. Inside we can see U-shaped tunnel and 2 cavernous halls 23 meters bellow ground, 2×3000 square meters, place for 47 000 centrifuges. According to the International Atomic Energy Agency, before the strike Iran was operating over 6000 IR-1, 6500 IR-2m, 4000 IR-4 and over 3000 IR-6. Most of them works in Natanz facility to produce 3.37% U-235, then product was transported to Fordow plant (FFEP) with underground space about 10k square meters to further enrichment.
Cascade equipment:
- Cost less than 100k USD.
- <100 manhours/year maintenance.
- <1000 manhours construction + installation.
- 164 IR-1 centrifuges connected in 15-stage cascade (246 SWU)
- blue tubes -- for depleted uranium tails (Russian classification)
- red tubes -- for enrichment uranium (Russian classification)
- yellow tubes -- for raw uranium (Russian classification)
- heating elements over centrifuges (for separation)
- cooling tubes under centrifuges (for separation)
- autoclave (+60-100°C heating) for uranium hexafluoride
- cooling trap (-70°C freezer) for uranium hexafluoride
- air-conditioner (15000 Btu/h, 16 MJ/hour)
- vacuum pump
- gas pump
- accumulator
- 10 kW diesel generator
Overall this is kilometer long system of corrosion-resistant tubes.
Each of two Natanz hall has place for 23 500 centrifuges, most of them installed in hall A with volume about 18k m³. Hall shape presumably 120×25×6 meters, but for simplification let's represent it as sphere with 16 meter radius and 3200 m² surface. Bomb has 14 tons mass with 2.5 ton explosives, this means up to 2.3M fragments from explosion and 720 fragments/m² of sphere surface.
Pressure of shock wave::
Rp = R/(2 × K × M × E)^(1/3)
p = 7/3 × ((1 + (Rp^3))^(1/2) - 1)^-1
Rp – radius coefficient
R – radius (distance to the center of explosion)
К – surface coefficient (0.6 - soil; 0.95 - concrete)
М – explosive mass (2432 kg)
E - explosive TNT equivalent (1.9 - AFX-757)
p – shock wave pressure (kPa);
16 meters from explosion:
7/3 × ((1 + (16 / (2 × 0.95 × 2423 × 1.90) ^ (1/3)) ^ 3) ^ (1/2) - 1) ^-1 = 11 kPa (contusion)
10 meters from explosion:
7/3 × ((1 + (10 / (2 × 0.95 × 2423 × 1.90) ^ (1/3)) ^ 3) ^ (1/2) - 1) ^-1 = 42 kPa (destruction)
Two bunker busting bombs surely can destroy the both halls of Natanz plant and most of centrifuges. About 20 tons of hexafluoride may be messed with debris, but can be easily extracted. Economical losses up to 9 millions USD and less than 100k manhours construction works and installation. About 2 months works for engineering battalion. Centrifuges can be replaced in a 6 months. Iranian defense budget is 2.2% GDP, about 35 billion USD (34% IRGC, 13% regular military, 7% Defence ministry). IRGC can repair Natanz facility just with 1/100 of monthly budget.
I think Natanz facility just demonstrative object for IAEA watchdogs. There is why:
- Minimal effective plant to make 3.5% product is 12 cascade configuration of 1968 centrifuges.
- Minimal effective plant to make 90% product from 3.5% material is 3+1 configuration of 656 centrifuges.
This variant can extract 70% U-235 from natural uranium and enrich to 90% with 10% losses.
First stage can be easily hidden somewhere, like trucks inside underground parking, small warehouse, containers inside cargo ship. There is very simple installation: just 1.2 million USD, 250 meters space, 120 kW generators, 5 tons/year uranium hexafluoride, ×2 normal radiation level, 2 operators, few guards. There is no economical sense to bomb this installation, it can be replaced too easily. But for further stages of enrichment possible to detect uranium traces by UAV with sniffer, better to use safe place like Fordow or some old mine.
Fordow centrifuge halls can't be damaged by any conversational weapon. Natanz can be replaced by smallest facilities. Most important and vulnerable site is Isfahan conversion plant.
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>>392216
>>393825
Iranian uranium stocks and mining
Most of uranium trade strictly controlled by USA and EU, because of reactor requirements, insufficient mining and Rosatom dumping during 1993-2014 HEU-LEU 'Megatons to Megawatts' agreement. After 2016 China began to buy up all available stocks for their enrichment facilities and nukes. Uranium market aren't free, otherwise prices will be 2 times higher then current 100-200 USD/kg.
Iranian stocks:
- From South Africa in 1970s (600 tons, main source of 2007-2015 enrichment)
- Yazd province: Saghand, Narigan, Zarigan uranium mines (5k tons, 70t/year)
- From Kazakhstan in 2010 (1350 tons, unconfirmed)
- From Kazakhstan in 2017 (650-950t, unconfirmed)
For Iran bad situation in international market combined with mediocre situation with uranium mining. Unlike North Korea Iran does not have suitable uranium deposits for long run, though Yazd province deposits still better one in Middle East.
I found some information about Saghand mine:
>In 1995 a contract was made with Atomredmetzoloto - a Russian company - for feasibility study, basic and detailed design of a plant producing annually 50 tones of uranium as oxide using anomaly 2 of Saghand mine. Russian experts made experiences in laboratory, bench and pilot scales in Tehran and Moscow on samples from core of the mine. Finally in 1996 they completed the design and submitted documents in different parties. On the basis of this design annually 120,000 tons of ore with an average concentration of 553-gr/ton of uranium processed by acid leaching and resin in pulp method.
>The former predicted site for constructing uranium mill was beside the mine of Saghand but because of some reasons like the lack of reliable resources of water to feed the plant, high expenses of supplying electrical power, the cost of constructing of living area for employees due to the far distance of site to the nearest urban area and finally the problem of employing efficient personnel was not recognized suitable and selecting a new site was inevitable. For this reason some places in Yazd and Isfahan provinces were studied and considering factors like ease of transporting ore from mine, availability of water, electricity, telephone and no need of constructing the living area also considering local and social condition of site ultimately the new site was selected 35 km north of Ardakan city by the of Isfahan-Chadormaloo railroad.
The Saghand mine was opened in 2013. Production is 60 tons yearly, deposit 775 tons, depth 350 meters, acid leeching method. Saghand mine barely working before 2021, but then excavation activities increased significantly. Apparently Iran has other sources of uranium before 2021.
Connections:
- Bolivia (news from 2010)
- Zimbabwe (news from 2010)
- Namibia (Rossing mine, Rio Tinto company)
Soviet uranium ore dumps:
- Kazakhstan (200Mt ore, 56kt uranium)
- Kyrgyzstan (55Mt ore, 15kt uranium)
- Tajikistan (50Mt ore, 14kt uranium)
USSR ore dumps in Middle Asia possible main source for smugglers. Ore with 0.25% uranium after 80% extraction still has 0.05% uranium. Most of dumps better than modern ores like 0.027% from Rossing or 0.05% from Saghand. This dumps can be re-extracted with >200 USD/kg uranium price, but Rosatom dumped prices and uses situ leach method with still good Kazakhstan mines. Besides, all uranium transfers more than 500 kg is strictly controlled.
Smuggling prices about 300-600 USD/kg in 2010s (unconfirmed). Iran has 1.75 trillion USD GDP (PPP). I think 0.01% GDP or 175M USD possible to use for this kind of operations. With 300-600 USD/kg cost Iran can buy 290-580 tons/year, 4-8 times more than mining, but just 0.3-0.7% of uranium ore dumps. Although the transportation of 0.9-2.1Mt dumps yearly (few hundreds of trucks daily) should left some traces in local news, but I didn't found any in 1990-2017 period.
Main problem is not enrichment, but uranium sources. Even with 600 USD/kg uranium price Iran can buy 7 tons natural uranium for one nuke by 4.2 million USD and enrich it by 0.9 million. Overall 150kt nuke cost for Iran from 2 to 6 millions. Iran can make 30 nukes/year by 0.1% of GDP (with 180k SWU enrichment capacity), but only 10 nukes/year with own uranium sources.
>>393825
Iranian uranium stocks and mining
Most of uranium trade strictly controlled by USA and EU, because of reactor requirements, insufficient mining and Rosatom dumping during 1993-2014 HEU-LEU 'Megatons to Megawatts' agreement. After 2016 China began to buy up all available stocks for their enrichment facilities and nukes. Uranium market aren't free, otherwise prices will be 2 times higher then current 100-200 USD/kg.
Iranian stocks:
- From South Africa in 1970s (600 tons, main source of 2007-2015 enrichment)
- Yazd province: Saghand, Narigan, Zarigan uranium mines (5k tons, 70t/year)
- From Kazakhstan in 2010 (1350 tons, unconfirmed)
- From Kazakhstan in 2017 (650-950t, unconfirmed)
For Iran bad situation in international market combined with mediocre situation with uranium mining. Unlike North Korea Iran does not have suitable uranium deposits for long run, though Yazd province deposits still better one in Middle East.
I found some information about Saghand mine:
>In 1995 a contract was made with Atomredmetzoloto - a Russian company - for feasibility study, basic and detailed design of a plant producing annually 50 tones of uranium as oxide using anomaly 2 of Saghand mine. Russian experts made experiences in laboratory, bench and pilot scales in Tehran and Moscow on samples from core of the mine. Finally in 1996 they completed the design and submitted documents in different parties. On the basis of this design annually 120,000 tons of ore with an average concentration of 553-gr/ton of uranium processed by acid leaching and resin in pulp method.
>The former predicted site for constructing uranium mill was beside the mine of Saghand but because of some reasons like the lack of reliable resources of water to feed the plant, high expenses of supplying electrical power, the cost of constructing of living area for employees due to the far distance of site to the nearest urban area and finally the problem of employing efficient personnel was not recognized suitable and selecting a new site was inevitable. For this reason some places in Yazd and Isfahan provinces were studied and considering factors like ease of transporting ore from mine, availability of water, electricity, telephone and no need of constructing the living area also considering local and social condition of site ultimately the new site was selected 35 km north of Ardakan city by the of Isfahan-Chadormaloo railroad.
The Saghand mine was opened in 2013. Production is 60 tons yearly, deposit 775 tons, depth 350 meters, acid leeching method. Saghand mine barely working before 2021, but then excavation activities increased significantly. Apparently Iran has other sources of uranium before 2021.
Connections:
- Bolivia (news from 2010)
- Zimbabwe (news from 2010)
- Namibia (Rossing mine, Rio Tinto company)
Soviet uranium ore dumps:
- Kazakhstan (200Mt ore, 56kt uranium)
- Kyrgyzstan (55Mt ore, 15kt uranium)
- Tajikistan (50Mt ore, 14kt uranium)
USSR ore dumps in Middle Asia possible main source for smugglers. Ore with 0.25% uranium after 80% extraction still has 0.05% uranium. Most of dumps better than modern ores like 0.027% from Rossing or 0.05% from Saghand. This dumps can be re-extracted with >200 USD/kg uranium price, but Rosatom dumped prices and uses situ leach method with still good Kazakhstan mines. Besides, all uranium transfers more than 500 kg is strictly controlled.
Smuggling prices about 300-600 USD/kg in 2010s (unconfirmed). Iran has 1.75 trillion USD GDP (PPP). I think 0.01% GDP or 175M USD possible to use for this kind of operations. With 300-600 USD/kg cost Iran can buy 290-580 tons/year, 4-8 times more than mining, but just 0.3-0.7% of uranium ore dumps. Although the transportation of 0.9-2.1Mt dumps yearly (few hundreds of trucks daily) should left some traces in local news, but I didn't found any in 1990-2017 period.
Main problem is not enrichment, but uranium sources. Even with 600 USD/kg uranium price Iran can buy 7 tons natural uranium for one nuke by 4.2 million USD and enrich it by 0.9 million. Overall 150kt nuke cost for Iran from 2 to 6 millions. Iran can make 30 nukes/year by 0.1% of GDP (with 180k SWU enrichment capacity), but only 10 nukes/year with own uranium sources.
Especially for /mlpol/. 200 manhours work of small organization. Not our theme, very scarce information, but industrial level autism can breach any barriers.