A purity spiral trend on the right has been emerging for a while now but it has only gotten worse in recent years. Disbelief in the whackiest conspiracy is taken as a sign of disloyalty and anything other then the most retarded take makes you a shill. Examples include:
>you think jews are nepotistic and spiteful to their hosts?
>well I think jews are actually a cult of satanic baby eaters you deradicalization, shill!
>you think the pharmaceutical companies are greedy assholes who pray on the despairation of sick people?
>Well I think everything the pharmaceutical companies sell is poison and I'm taking wormwood extract to cure my cancer, you cuck!
>you think mega companies moved jobs overseas because the CEOs are amoral pieces of shit who care more about money than the future of their country?
>Well I think its all part of a plan to weaken the West and install communism, FED!
>you are worried about 5G because you think it will greatly enhance digital surveillance?
>well I think 5G will cause cancer and mass death, fag!
>you think the covid vaccine was bad because lockdowns were used as an excuse to attack political enemies and side effects were ultimately worse than the disease?
>well I think its all a part of the NWO depopulation agenda, pharmakike!
>you are worried about AI because of job loss, propaganda bots, and surveillance concerns?
>well I think AI is actually a demonic force in computer form, fag!
>you hate Hollywood movies because they are controlled by a few studios who push stale liberal trash?
>well I think Hollywood is putting secret symbols and predictive programming in their films to control the population, tranny!
Ect
It isn't enough to distrust the failing institutions, you need to believe they are part of a satanic plot as well. This has only gotten worse over time and I suspect it will only continue get worse over time. Is there any way this can be stopped before it collapses under the weight of its own bullshit into a flat earth singularity?
And I know many of you will claim that some of the crazier claims are pushed by bad actors, and you are probably right to some extent, but silly shit like germ theory denial and flat earth are becoming more common especially on the right. Is there a way to stop this?
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>>392645
>Blogs are independent, take mainstream science and rip it apart.
But they are randos who will say anything. What wins is not the scientific method on blogs, but what gets the most hits. And many of them are not independent. Look at the vigilant fox for example, who is paid to promote herbal "cancer treatments" or Alex Jones who makes most of his money from supplements.
https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/exclusive-cancer-secrets-revealed
https://www.infowarsstore.com/
>Blogs are independent, take mainstream science and rip it apart.
But they are randos who will say anything. What wins is not the scientific method on blogs, but what gets the most hits. And many of them are not independent. Look at the vigilant fox for example, who is paid to promote herbal "cancer treatments" or Alex Jones who makes most of his money from supplements.
https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/exclusive-cancer-secrets-revealed
https://www.infowarsstore.com/
>>392649
We can agree that Bill Gates is a twisted, evil fuck that wants to kill off humanity, but that doesn't mean he's successfully done it (yet). That simply isn't evidence.
If anything, the vaccine was probably more of a test trial to see if feat could motivate people to take experimental injections en mass.
We can agree that Bill Gates is a twisted, evil fuck that wants to kill off humanity, but that doesn't mean he's successfully done it (yet). That simply isn't evidence.
If anything, the vaccine was probably more of a test trial to see if feat could motivate people to take experimental injections en mass.
>>392649
>The fact is the one of the main manufacturers and promoters was Bill Gates
Bill Gates said that vaccines are good and the world has too many people so that means there is a secret plan to depopulate the planet with mRNA? That is retarded.
>The fact is the one of the main manufacturers and promoters was Bill Gates
Bill Gates said that vaccines are good and the world has too many people so that means there is a secret plan to depopulate the planet with mRNA? That is retarded.
>>392653
>but what gets the most hits
Is your goal profit or science? The two can rarely be reconciled. If the science matters to you then stop letting academia become centralized entity. The whole point of the internet was to decentralize this shit.
>but what gets the most hits
Is your goal profit or science? The two can rarely be reconciled. If the science matters to you then stop letting academia become centralized entity. The whole point of the internet was to decentralize this shit.
>>392654
>That simply isn't evidence.
Well, if my neighbor buys poison and talks about my neighborhood being too crowded, I would be worried. Sure, there is not evidence of him being a poisoner, but there is not evidence on the contrary either.
>That simply isn't evidence.
Well, if my neighbor buys poison and talks about my neighborhood being too crowded, I would be worried. Sure, there is not evidence of him being a poisoner, but there is not evidence on the contrary either.
>>392654
I hate Bill Gates because he monopolized his shit software and kikerosoft tries to force you to use it, but I don't think he is trying to end humanity. Just a shitstain who profits off of enshittification.
>If anything, the vaccine was probably more of a test trial to see if feat could motivate people to take experimental injections en mass.
Given all of the different tech that was tested all over the world this is more plausible. Still my personal belief is that governments simply overreacted to a lab leak and used the opportunity to test new technologies.
I hate Bill Gates because he monopolized his shit software and kikerosoft tries to force you to use it, but I don't think he is trying to end humanity. Just a shitstain who profits off of enshittification.
>If anything, the vaccine was probably more of a test trial to see if feat could motivate people to take experimental injections en mass.
Given all of the different tech that was tested all over the world this is more plausible. Still my personal belief is that governments simply overreacted to a lab leak and used the opportunity to test new technologies.
>>392652
You don't have to believe in academics if you don't want to, but at least post something more substantial than random social media screencaps.
>>392651
>You are forfiting your ability to participate in academics as a process
This is a very good point.
>>392657
First you would need to find evidence of the poison depopulating the world.
>>392656
>Is your goal profit or science? The two can rarely be reconciled.
Profit motivates science all the time. Corporations want research that produces actual results, not just propaganda. If anything, profit is what keeps academia in line.
You don't have to believe in academics if you don't want to, but at least post something more substantial than random social media screencaps.
>>392651
>You are forfiting your ability to participate in academics as a process
This is a very good point.
>>392657
First you would need to find evidence of the poison depopulating the world.
>>392656
>Is your goal profit or science? The two can rarely be reconciled.
Profit motivates science all the time. Corporations want research that produces actual results, not just propaganda. If anything, profit is what keeps academia in line.
>>392656
I do not like the centralization, I do have problems with journals and that probably deserves a thread. Academia having problems does not mean random blogs or social media are credible.
>>392659
>Bill Gates likes vaccines and said the world has too many people. That means he will kill us all with mRNA.
Yeah that sounds like something that somebody with an IQ of 70 would come up with.
I do not like the centralization, I do have problems with journals and that probably deserves a thread. Academia having problems does not mean random blogs or social media are credible.
>>392659
>Bill Gates likes vaccines and said the world has too many people. That means he will kill us all with mRNA.
Yeah that sounds like something that somebody with an IQ of 70 would come up with.
>>392662
By the people who want research that produces profitable products, technologies, data and methodology.
>>392664
>I do not like the centralization, I do have problems with journals and that probably deserves a thread. Academia having problems does not mean random blogs or social media are credible.
This.
By the people who want research that produces profitable products, technologies, data and methodology.
>>392664
>I do not like the centralization, I do have problems with journals and that probably deserves a thread. Academia having problems does not mean random blogs or social media are credible.
This.
>>392666
>By the people who want research that produces profitable products, technologies, data and methodology.
Exactly, let those people fill their pockets. And let people walking the opposite sidewalk continue their research.
>By the people who want research that produces profitable products, technologies, data and methodology.
Exactly, let those people fill their pockets. And let people walking the opposite sidewalk continue their research.
>>392660
Science can be fueled by money, autism, or both. Often both, but when there's no money for somthing you know is important then the latter should be plenty. A lot of early internet academics was volenteer stuff, and that never stopped, it's just not search engine optimal. Search engines will die soon with the whole AI thing, so in the new age of manual indexing that will be as much a non-issue as the prior age of manual indexing.
>>392664
A peer reviewed paper is a peer reviewed paper. Don't let authority overtake the scientific process itself.
Science can be fueled by money, autism, or both. Often both, but when there's no money for somthing you know is important then the latter should be plenty. A lot of early internet academics was volenteer stuff, and that never stopped, it's just not search engine optimal. Search engines will die soon with the whole AI thing, so in the new age of manual indexing that will be as much a non-issue as the prior age of manual indexing.
>>392664
A peer reviewed paper is a peer reviewed paper. Don't let authority overtake the scientific process itself.
>>392668
I notice you aren't posting any research. You are posting screenshots on social media and the opinions of literally whos.
I notice you aren't posting any research. You are posting screenshots on social media and the opinions of literally whos.
>>392670
I actually think there should be some degree of oversight. Look at India which has the exact opposite of the western problem where journals are expensive to access and publish in. Indian scientists just publish bullshit in predatory journals and nothing can trusted. What science really needs is an institution dedicated to replication studies, but how to make that institution I am not sure.
I actually think there should be some degree of oversight. Look at India which has the exact opposite of the western problem where journals are expensive to access and publish in. Indian scientists just publish bullshit in predatory journals and nothing can trusted. What science really needs is an institution dedicated to replication studies, but how to make that institution I am not sure.
>>392673
>Indian scientists just publish bullshit in predatory journals and nothing can trusted.
You have a very valid point on shitskins. But Whites doing scrutiny are not in the same boat.
>Indian scientists just publish bullshit in predatory journals and nothing can trusted.
You have a very valid point on shitskins. But Whites doing scrutiny are not in the same boat.
>>392673
Something like wikipedia would do it. Perhaps not wikipedia itself, it's dealing with scope creep and might be better done with a federated model. That said, wikis are generally good for this sort of oversight when they have rules as thourough as wikipedia's.
Something like wikipedia would do it. Perhaps not wikipedia itself, it's dealing with scope creep and might be better done with a federated model. That said, wikis are generally good for this sort of oversight when they have rules as thourough as wikipedia's.
>>392672
Oh it seems I am. Looks like you posted a study done in rats and tried to pass that off as solid proof of depopulation >>391377 see I notice this is a pattern among antivaxxers. Like you will post a rat study, or an unreplicated cancer cell culture study, or study with 13 people where the control group is N=3 and then in the next breath you will bitch about the replication crisis without realizing the irony.
Oh it seems I am. Looks like you posted a study done in rats and tried to pass that off as solid proof of depopulation >>391377 see I notice this is a pattern among antivaxxers. Like you will post a rat study, or an unreplicated cancer cell culture study, or study with 13 people where the control group is N=3 and then in the next breath you will bitch about the replication crisis without realizing the irony.
>>392675
The instution would need funding and how do you make funding replication studies profitable?
The instution would need funding and how do you make funding replication studies profitable?
>>392679
On top of this it would need to heavily incentivize scientists. No one ever became famous for being the second person to discover something.
On top of this it would need to heavily incentivize scientists. No one ever became famous for being the second person to discover something.
>>392681
I'm whatever word you want to use for people who think the depopulation narrative is retarded.
I'm whatever word you want to use for people who think the depopulation narrative is retarded.
>>392682
>depopulation narrative
Spelled it out by Bill Gates himself and billionaires pals, I remind you.
>depopulation narrative
Spelled it out by Bill Gates himself and billionaires pals, I remind you.
>>392681
And you seem to be deliberately avoiding the point. The study you posted was a rat study and over 90% of those studies are not translatable to humans and can be difficult to replicate (although not as difficult as something like cancer cell culture studies)
And you seem to be deliberately avoiding the point. The study you posted was a rat study and over 90% of those studies are not translatable to humans and can be difficult to replicate (although not as difficult as something like cancer cell culture studies)
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>>392683
No you made a jump that bill gates is part of some greater conspiracy because he likes vaccines and is worried about overpopulation. You offered no solid evidence that this conspiracy exists.
No you made a jump that bill gates is part of some greater conspiracy because he likes vaccines and is worried about overpopulation. You offered no solid evidence that this conspiracy exists.
>>392685
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11175415/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36883244/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2746847/
The failure for animal studies to translate to humans has been known about for a long time.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11175415/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36883244/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2746847/
The failure for animal studies to translate to humans has been known about for a long time.
>>392688
No it's a jump. The dude worried about over population and most elites started worrying about depopulation a while back and the dude likes vaccines. That doesn't point to a global conspiracy to depopulate the planet with mRNA.
No it's a jump. The dude worried about over population and most elites started worrying about depopulation a while back and the dude likes vaccines. That doesn't point to a global conspiracy to depopulate the planet with mRNA.
>>392690
Look I linked a biology textbook in this thread. It is a good entry level book. Has lots of great information and it was written before covid. Give it a read. You might actually find it interesting and it would at least help you determine if the papers you read are good or not.
Look I linked a biology textbook in this thread. It is a good entry level book. Has lots of great information and it was written before covid. Give it a read. You might actually find it interesting and it would at least help you determine if the papers you read are good or not.
>>392692
Fair enough. However I'm well above a biology book. Let me explain to you a mammal body in lay terms, It is basically a boiler, fuel goes in and exhaust residue goes out and you have a useful product transformed into physical movement and brain activity.
Fair enough. However I'm well above a biology book. Let me explain to you a mammal body in lay terms, It is basically a boiler, fuel goes in and exhaust residue goes out and you have a useful product transformed into physical movement and brain activity.
>>392693
I honestly don't think you are above an entry level book. You didn't know that animal studies are poorly translated to humans. That is pretty basic knowledge in the field. Give it a read there is lots to learn.
I honestly don't think you are above an entry level book. You didn't know that animal studies are poorly translated to humans. That is pretty basic knowledge in the field. Give it a read there is lots to learn.
>>392695
And how might 80 million years worth of evolution might have lead to differences between humans and mice?
And how might 80 million years worth of evolution might have lead to differences between humans and mice?
>>392696
>80 million years worth of evolution
Well, we have veeeeeeeeery divergent views here.
First of all, carbon dating is so unreliable that it is almost a fraud.
Second, Evolution is just a theory and can't be used as proof.
>80 million years worth of evolution
Well, we have veeeeeeeeery divergent views here.
First of all, carbon dating is so unreliable that it is almost a fraud.
Second, Evolution is just a theory and can't be used as proof.
>>392697
>carbon dating is unreliable
Carbon dating is not the only dating used. Potassium argon dating for example is much more accurate for older samples.
>just a theory.
That word doesn't mean what you think it means. It means there is a lot of research backing it up. Electromagnetism, gravity, and cell theory are all "just theories" I somehow doubt you have a problem with any of those. There is lots of evidence for evolution even aside from the fossil record. Look at chromosome 2 for example or the many similarities that mitochondria and chloroplasts have with bacteria.
>carbon dating is unreliable
Carbon dating is not the only dating used. Potassium argon dating for example is much more accurate for older samples.
>just a theory.
That word doesn't mean what you think it means. It means there is a lot of research backing it up. Electromagnetism, gravity, and cell theory are all "just theories" I somehow doubt you have a problem with any of those. There is lots of evidence for evolution even aside from the fossil record. Look at chromosome 2 for example or the many similarities that mitochondria and chloroplasts have with bacteria.
>>392697
But I think I finally understand why you get so upset when others deny your satanic conspiracy, because the satanic conspiracy is supposed to tie in with the rapture. You dislike science because most scientists agree with evolution and trying to learn why the believe that may force you to evaluate your beliefs. The evidence for evolution is pretty strong and evolution would destroy the orgin story of the bible and invalidate the whole thing. The covid vax depopulation shit came later. Evolution is what your distaste for science is about. When you call people who disagree with your religion shills you are not doing so because you believe they are government agents you do so because you believe the views they express will damn others to hell and the very expression of those beliefs is harmful. Stop using the word shill when the word you are looking for is heretic.
But I think I finally understand why you get so upset when others deny your satanic conspiracy, because the satanic conspiracy is supposed to tie in with the rapture. You dislike science because most scientists agree with evolution and trying to learn why the believe that may force you to evaluate your beliefs. The evidence for evolution is pretty strong and evolution would destroy the orgin story of the bible and invalidate the whole thing. The covid vax depopulation shit came later. Evolution is what your distaste for science is about. When you call people who disagree with your religion shills you are not doing so because you believe they are government agents you do so because you believe the views they express will damn others to hell and the very expression of those beliefs is harmful. Stop using the word shill when the word you are looking for is heretic.
>>392698
>gravity
No serious scientist knows what the fuck it is, tbh.
>There is lots of evidence for evolution
Make a search here for "Don Patton". This guy is an archeologist, scholar, and knows a lot about rocks and paleontology. There are videos of him debating evolutionist professors (aka shysters) and publicly shame them for being utter charlatans.
>gravity
No serious scientist knows what the fuck it is, tbh.
>There is lots of evidence for evolution
Make a search here for "Don Patton". This guy is an archeologist, scholar, and knows a lot about rocks and paleontology. There are videos of him debating evolutionist professors (aka shysters) and publicly shame them for being utter charlatans.
>>392679
>The instution would need funding
Federation can minimize that cost considerably
>how do you make funding replication studies profitable?
Maintained and profitable are two different things
>The instution would need funding
Federation can minimize that cost considerably
>how do you make funding replication studies profitable?
Maintained and profitable are two different things
>>392700
>because the satanic conspiracy is supposed to tie in with the rapture.
WTF
I'm an ancient Pagan, fren.
>because the satanic conspiracy is supposed to tie in with the rapture.
WTF
I'm an ancient Pagan, fren.
>>392701
Fair point on gravity, but it isn't really disputed that the phenomenon exists.
An archeologist might not be the best person to ask about genetics and I looked him up and didn't find anything about chromosome 2 or the similarities between mitochondria and chloroplasts and bacteria.
Fair point on gravity, but it isn't really disputed that the phenomenon exists.
An archeologist might not be the best person to ask about genetics and I looked him up and didn't find anything about chromosome 2 or the similarities between mitochondria and chloroplasts and bacteria.
>>392698
>>392700
See >>>/vx/158082 → →
Don Patton is a hardcore christian, however from a scientist point of view (not religion is needed), he destroys the Evolution nonsense.
>>392700
See >>>/vx/158082 → →
Don Patton is a hardcore christian, however from a scientist point of view (not religion is needed), he destroys the Evolution nonsense.
>>392702
I'll make a thread on peer review and journals tomorrow. It's more than just funding that would need to change. The "publish or perish" attitude would need to change too.
>>392704
I didn't think there were people who seriously believed paganism stuff. The pagans I met were secular and believed the gods and stories were metaphors for human behavior. Also why link me to a christian creation scientist?
I'll make a thread on peer review and journals tomorrow. It's more than just funding that would need to change. The "publish or perish" attitude would need to change too.
>>392704
I didn't think there were people who seriously believed paganism stuff. The pagans I met were secular and believed the gods and stories were metaphors for human behavior. Also why link me to a christian creation scientist?
>>392708
>Also why link me to a christian creation scientist?
Because the uses science and only science to debunk Evolution. No religion needed.
>Also why link me to a christian creation scientist?
Because the uses science and only science to debunk Evolution. No religion needed.
>>392708
>The pagans I met were secular and believed the gods and stories were metaphors for human behavior.
I'm secular, however I know about the other side, call it the occult if you wish.
>The pagans I met were secular and believed the gods and stories were metaphors for human behavior.
I'm secular, however I know about the other side, call it the occult if you wish.
>>392710
So some red flags about this guy jump out at me. 1 his PhD is in education not geology or archeology, two he is affiliated with the creation evidence museum in Glen rose TX and their research is so bad that even other creationists call their work garbage.
So some red flags about this guy jump out at me. 1 his PhD is in education not geology or archeology, two he is affiliated with the creation evidence museum in Glen rose TX and their research is so bad that even other creationists call their work garbage.
>>392714
Dude, just watch the public debates with evolutionist "scholar" professors, and get some popcorn.
Dude, just watch the public debates with evolutionist "scholar" professors, and get some popcorn.
>>392716
I don't want to watch hours worth of this dude's lectures or cherry picked video clips. Give me evidence that other forms of dating like potassium argon dating or thorium uranium dating are inaccurate or how the telomere sequence in chromosome 2 got there without a fusion or explain the circular chromosomes and 70s ribosomes in chloroplasts and mitochondria without endosymbiont.
I don't want to watch hours worth of this dude's lectures or cherry picked video clips. Give me evidence that other forms of dating like potassium argon dating or thorium uranium dating are inaccurate or how the telomere sequence in chromosome 2 got there without a fusion or explain the circular chromosomes and 70s ribosomes in chloroplasts and mitochondria without endosymbiont.
>>392705
Gravity isnt a force my guy. The heliocentric religion says so. Cant believe ponybros are so hostile to flat earthers when we just correct you on your religion lol.
Gravity isnt a force my guy. The heliocentric religion says so. Cant believe ponybros are so hostile to flat earthers when we just correct you on your religion lol.
>>392634
"Peer review" isn't even science it's just an authoritative marker. It actually hinders scientific progress. Science is about verifiable cause and effect, replication, and predictive validity. If it isn't that it isn't science. If we understand what science is then we understand what science isn't
Yes virology is a satanic scam and the bible is true. That is the metaphysical take I have on it. Doesn't change it also being unverfiable pseudoscience. No human has ever died from a virus or germ. All inventions of vaccines were made to cause illness and death. Stuff like the black plauge, polio, and chicken/small pox are all immunity responses, they are not contagious. Why do people in close proximity seem to get the same illnesses? They are consuming the same toxins that's why. No need to beat a conspiracy theory dead horse though, you could've just watched a conspiracy video instead of relying on muh scienceTM paper abstracts. Seriously, a random conspiracy documentary will likely hold more truth than academia scams. Funny how you accuse people like us of being Facebook boomer memers when most of Facebook and social media is just like you. Very interesting
"Peer review" isn't even science it's just an authoritative marker. It actually hinders scientific progress. Science is about verifiable cause and effect, replication, and predictive validity. If it isn't that it isn't science. If we understand what science is then we understand what science isn't
Yes virology is a satanic scam and the bible is true. That is the metaphysical take I have on it. Doesn't change it also being unverfiable pseudoscience. No human has ever died from a virus or germ. All inventions of vaccines were made to cause illness and death. Stuff like the black plauge, polio, and chicken/small pox are all immunity responses, they are not contagious. Why do people in close proximity seem to get the same illnesses? They are consuming the same toxins that's why. No need to beat a conspiracy theory dead horse though, you could've just watched a conspiracy video instead of relying on muh scienceTM paper abstracts. Seriously, a random conspiracy documentary will likely hold more truth than academia scams. Funny how you accuse people like us of being Facebook boomer memers when most of Facebook and social media is just like you. Very interesting
>>392732
Most of the government is just a job and task. Most of the government arent "in on the lies" they just believe the lies without understanding. Boiling it down to being "the government" would be dishonest, because there are higher ups in the government called secret societies
Most of the government is just a job and task. Most of the government arent "in on the lies" they just believe the lies without understanding. Boiling it down to being "the government" would be dishonest, because there are higher ups in the government called secret societies
Don't stop, I'm enthralled, but holy shit is this some schizophrenia.
>>392741
I don't think there are any secret societies that powerful. I don't think the world is controlled by a united secret group at all. I think the world is simply controlled by a few factions of rich assholes fighting for control and fucking everyone else in the process.
I don't think there are any secret societies that powerful. I don't think the world is controlled by a united secret group at all. I think the world is simply controlled by a few factions of rich assholes fighting for control and fucking everyone else in the process.
>>392744
>they're not secret societies they're just rich factions
Yeah, which operate in exclusion and secrecy. You cant be this retarded to make this distinction about them being a "faction" I don't buy it. It's the same thing
>they're not secret societies they're just rich factions
Yeah, which operate in exclusion and secrecy. You cant be this retarded to make this distinction about them being a "faction" I don't buy it. It's the same thing
>>392745
Several competing factions with different interests and I don't think those factions are necessarily secret societies. The coal giants have very different interests from the green tech giants. I certainly don't believe that either of those factions control all the media, politics, history books, and scientific journals. They can certainly purchase influence, but neither control the world.
Several competing factions with different interests and I don't think those factions are necessarily secret societies. The coal giants have very different interests from the green tech giants. I certainly don't believe that either of those factions control all the media, politics, history books, and scientific journals. They can certainly purchase influence, but neither control the world.
>>392746
No one said anything about them "controlling the world". Environmentalism is a scam and the people at the top pushing it know it is.
Someone's gotta run the coal industry, and nothing wrong with that. Not every industry has to be controlled by one secret society group that's a ridiculous strawman. Secret societies just need to operate in influence, they'll do that with whatever sector works best for them
No one said anything about them "controlling the world". Environmentalism is a scam and the people at the top pushing it know it is.
Someone's gotta run the coal industry, and nothing wrong with that. Not every industry has to be controlled by one secret society group that's a ridiculous strawman. Secret societies just need to operate in influence, they'll do that with whatever sector works best for them
>>392747
Help me understand your position then. How does this secret society (societies?) operate? How powerful are they? Why do they do what they do? How many are there? What evidence do you have of their existence?
Help me understand your position then. How does this secret society (societies?) operate? How powerful are they? Why do they do what they do? How many are there? What evidence do you have of their existence?
>>392747
And you say this society doesn't control the world but a secret society able to convince the world of the shape of the earth, evolution, germ theory, all of our history, ect has to be pretty powerful. To me that sounds like nearly Descartes' demon levels of power.
And you say this society doesn't control the world but a secret society able to convince the world of the shape of the earth, evolution, germ theory, all of our history, ect has to be pretty powerful. To me that sounds like nearly Descartes' demon levels of power.
>>392749
These are all begging the questions. There's clear evidence of billionaires doing secret handshakes, having parties on their yachts and in their mansions and hotels. They fly private jets to have political meetings. You really think they're doing all this just to have a toast? Clearly they are planning events and ways to serve their own interests. Use your brain
>>392750
"Controlling the world" is literally a blanket statement. Define what you mean by control the world first. It's also begging the question and appealing to popularity by saying "how do they trick most of the worlds population?"
Most people are lost and not taught how to think. Same shit as asking why so many believe the holocaust happened and 911 was done by muslims
These are all begging the questions. There's clear evidence of billionaires doing secret handshakes, having parties on their yachts and in their mansions and hotels. They fly private jets to have political meetings. You really think they're doing all this just to have a toast? Clearly they are planning events and ways to serve their own interests. Use your brain
>>392750
"Controlling the world" is literally a blanket statement. Define what you mean by control the world first. It's also begging the question and appealing to popularity by saying "how do they trick most of the worlds population?"
Most people are lost and not taught how to think. Same shit as asking why so many believe the holocaust happened and 911 was done by muslims
>>392752
Those questions were asked to try to understand your position. They are not gotchas in any way.
>Clearly they are planning events and ways to serve their own interests
Simple money laundering and corruption could easily explain this.
By control the world I mean how do they direct politics, geopolitics, control all major information, and direct major events? How does all that work?
Those questions were asked to try to understand your position. They are not gotchas in any way.
>Clearly they are planning events and ways to serve their own interests
Simple money laundering and corruption could easily explain this.
By control the world I mean how do they direct politics, geopolitics, control all major information, and direct major events? How does all that work?
>>392753
Define what you mean by major information and major events. Who ever said they are controlling them all? Seems like you're building more strawmans in your head
You're on a very niche pony image board and you want me to spoonfeed on how billionaires have and use their leverage in politics, lol. Convince me you aren't an absolute shill here to waste time
Define what you mean by major information and major events. Who ever said they are controlling them all? Seems like you're building more strawmans in your head
You're on a very niche pony image board and you want me to spoonfeed on how billionaires have and use their leverage in politics, lol. Convince me you aren't an absolute shill here to waste time
>>392752
>There's clear evidence of billionaires doing secret handshakes
And secret handshakes do not imply nefarious activity. I almost joined a fraternity in uni and they had secret handshakes. Pretty sure those guys were getting drunk and sharing test banks not taking over the world.
>There's clear evidence of billionaires doing secret handshakes
And secret handshakes do not imply nefarious activity. I almost joined a fraternity in uni and they had secret handshakes. Pretty sure those guys were getting drunk and sharing test banks not taking over the world.
>>392754
How do they control enough of the information infrastructure to where they can fool the overwhelming majority of the population about things as basic as the shape of the earth or the very fundamentals of medicine? How does that work? What part of this question is unclear to you?
How do they control enough of the information infrastructure to where they can fool the overwhelming majority of the population about things as basic as the shape of the earth or the very fundamentals of medicine? How does that work? What part of this question is unclear to you?
>>392756
Again, same shit as asking why so many people believe the Holocaust happened and that 911 was done by Muslims extremists
How do you even begin determine earth's "shape"? Flat earthers make a claim about the earth being flat. Flat is not a shape it's a discription of a surface. Where did you get "shape" from?
As far as medicine goes, people have dropped dead due to vaccines. That puts medicine at question, and it doesn't matter how many fools continue to buy that vaccines are a safe and effective medicine
Again, same shit as asking why so many people believe the Holocaust happened and that 911 was done by Muslims extremists
How do you even begin determine earth's "shape"? Flat earthers make a claim about the earth being flat. Flat is not a shape it's a discription of a surface. Where did you get "shape" from?
As far as medicine goes, people have dropped dead due to vaccines. That puts medicine at question, and it doesn't matter how many fools continue to buy that vaccines are a safe and effective medicine
>>392757
Honestly I can see how they could spin typhus and starvation into gas and ovens especially since the former would call into question the legitimacy of the post war wolrd order. As for 9/11 the planes were flown by Muslims but financed by Saudis and Jews. Convincing people that it was Muslims is simply a half truth. Germ theory on the other hand has a whole bunch of medicines that work based on those principles and a bunch of people researching and manufacturing those methods that seems a lot harder to fake simply because of the amount of people involved. The holocaust only needs a few media companies and Intel agencies to be involved same with 9/11. The germ theory denial and flat earth shit requires average jackoffs to be a part of the conspiracy.
Honestly I can see how they could spin typhus and starvation into gas and ovens especially since the former would call into question the legitimacy of the post war wolrd order. As for 9/11 the planes were flown by Muslims but financed by Saudis and Jews. Convincing people that it was Muslims is simply a half truth. Germ theory on the other hand has a whole bunch of medicines that work based on those principles and a bunch of people researching and manufacturing those methods that seems a lot harder to fake simply because of the amount of people involved. The holocaust only needs a few media companies and Intel agencies to be involved same with 9/11. The germ theory denial and flat earth shit requires average jackoffs to be a part of the conspiracy.
>>392758
Sorry but a 3rd grader can do the math and figure out you can't bake 6 million cookies in 4 years. You need to do about 3000-4000 cookies per day which requires too many overns. There's no genius trickery going on here, people are just fucking retards and buy stories.
There were no planes on 911 my guy. So no Muslims flew any planes into buildings. Israelis coordinated camera footage from different angles because they knew what was coming. Then they inserted CGI planes into their footages and gave them to the media.
Can you name one single useful medicine that does any good? Unless it's a specific thing that is used to prevent an infection, they seem to be all reliefs, not cures. Average healthy humans simply don't need medicine at any time in their life unless they need to stop an infection or something. Eating and drinking healthy is simply enough and every sane person wants to avoid seeing doctors and nurses
Again, "average jackoffs" don't need to be part of any conspiracy, they just need to take orders and believe in the lie. There's nothing that's suggests that millions would have to "be in on it"
Sorry but a 3rd grader can do the math and figure out you can't bake 6 million cookies in 4 years. You need to do about 3000-4000 cookies per day which requires too many overns. There's no genius trickery going on here, people are just fucking retards and buy stories.
There were no planes on 911 my guy. So no Muslims flew any planes into buildings. Israelis coordinated camera footage from different angles because they knew what was coming. Then they inserted CGI planes into their footages and gave them to the media.
Can you name one single useful medicine that does any good? Unless it's a specific thing that is used to prevent an infection, they seem to be all reliefs, not cures. Average healthy humans simply don't need medicine at any time in their life unless they need to stop an infection or something. Eating and drinking healthy is simply enough and every sane person wants to avoid seeing doctors and nurses
Again, "average jackoffs" don't need to be part of any conspiracy, they just need to take orders and believe in the lie. There's nothing that's suggests that millions would have to "be in on it"
>>392760
You're giving him an awful lot of credit, assuming he's both capable and willing to engage in 3rd-grade math
You're giving him an awful lot of credit, assuming he's both capable and willing to engage in 3rd-grade math
>>392760
>Then they inserted CGI planes into their footages and gave them to the media.
So all the people who saw it in new york are just lying?
>Can you name one single useful medicine that does any good?
Antibiotics
Antiretrovirals
Monoclonal antibodies
Oh and lithium. If you aren't familiar with that one you should probably make yourself familiar with that one.
>Again, "average jackoffs" don't need to be part of any conspiracy, they just need to take orders and believe in the lie. There's nothing that's suggests that millions would have to "be in on it"
Yeah actually they would be. Snipers and artillery units need to calculate for the curvature of the earth in their shots. Engineers building radio towers need to account for line of sight. Pilots and ship captains need to use the round earth model for navigation, ect.
And then let's look at medicine. I used to work in pharmaceuticals specifically on antibodies. We had clean rooms and all kinds of tests for contaminates especially bacteria and virus because those could destroy the cell cultures. You're telling me all the people doing those tests were in on it? It wasn't as simple as "red means bad" they had to test for biochemical signatures of the contaminates so they contaminates could be contained. Those people who have to be in on it as would the people who designed the equipment to test for it and, the people who designed the facility the people prescribing the medication, ect
>>392761
Join him on the flat earth side ninjaz, you are already so close.
[Read more] >Then they inserted CGI planes into their footages and gave them to the media.
So all the people who saw it in new york are just lying?
>Can you name one single useful medicine that does any good?
Antibiotics
Antiretrovirals
Monoclonal antibodies
Oh and lithium. If you aren't familiar with that one you should probably make yourself familiar with that one.
>Again, "average jackoffs" don't need to be part of any conspiracy, they just need to take orders and believe in the lie. There's nothing that's suggests that millions would have to "be in on it"
Yeah actually they would be. Snipers and artillery units need to calculate for the curvature of the earth in their shots. Engineers building radio towers need to account for line of sight. Pilots and ship captains need to use the round earth model for navigation, ect.
And then let's look at medicine. I used to work in pharmaceuticals specifically on antibodies. We had clean rooms and all kinds of tests for contaminates especially bacteria and virus because those could destroy the cell cultures. You're telling me all the people doing those tests were in on it? It wasn't as simple as "red means bad" they had to test for biochemical signatures of the contaminates so they contaminates could be contained. Those people who have to be in on it as would the people who designed the equipment to test for it and, the people who designed the facility the people prescribing the medication, ect
>>392761
Join him on the flat earth side ninjaz, you are already so close.
>>392760
>Sorry but a 3rd grader can do the math and figure out you can't bake 6 million cookies in 4 years. You need to do about 3000-4000 cookies per day which requires too many overns.
This assumes every body was burned and they didn't toss the kikes in mass graves.
>Sorry but a 3rd grader can do the math and figure out you can't bake 6 million cookies in 4 years. You need to do about 3000-4000 cookies per day which requires too many overns.
This assumes every body was burned and they didn't toss the kikes in mass graves.
>>392762
>antibiotics
Used primarily for infection
>Antiretrovirals
Don't have gay sex or multiple sex partners and you won't catch aids/HIV
>antibodies
Proteins used to stop infections
>lithium
Other forms of mood stabilizers exist, such as food
It's like you didn't read what I typed out. *other than treating infections*. They aren't going after Germs and viruses which can't even hurt a fly
>antibiotics
Used primarily for infection
>Antiretrovirals
Don't have gay sex or multiple sex partners and you won't catch aids/HIV
>antibodies
Proteins used to stop infections
>lithium
Other forms of mood stabilizers exist, such as food
It's like you didn't read what I typed out. *other than treating infections*. They aren't going after Germs and viruses which can't even hurt a fly
>>392765
The infections are caused by germs that is why they use antibiotics and antiretrovirals. You can use antiretrovirals for viruses other than AIDS. Also monoclonal antibodies are used for a lot more than infections. Cancer for example. And gene therapy can permanently cure sickle cell and other conditions. I have a feeling you aren't a fan of that though.
The infections are caused by germs that is why they use antibiotics and antiretrovirals. You can use antiretrovirals for viruses other than AIDS. Also monoclonal antibodies are used for a lot more than infections. Cancer for example. And gene therapy can permanently cure sickle cell and other conditions. I have a feeling you aren't a fan of that though.
>>392762
I suppose I should respond to the rest of your post
You can find interviews of the top kill count snipers in America. They give details on how windspeed and air conditions affects the bullet, they never bring up bullshit about coriolis or curve of the earth. The though never even crosses their mind when their finger is on the trigger
What about line of sight for construction of radio towers shows earth curve? Lines of sight are straight and flat. They build towers just fine so long as the signals can reach far enough. Never has earth curve been a problem for this
Pilots use what is called a azimuthal equidistant projection on a radar. That's a flat earth map. Not that I claim that map, because there are problems with it. Many flat earthers also dont claim that map. Regardless of the problems pilots use it just fine.
Everyone uses flat maps for navigation, without exception. Before electronic technology became advanced, celestial navigation was used. It uses a flat earth.
To respond to your first point, who is exactly "all the people" and how do you know they all said they saw planes? You interviewed every single person in New York that was there that day? No you didnt
[Read more] I suppose I should respond to the rest of your post
You can find interviews of the top kill count snipers in America. They give details on how windspeed and air conditions affects the bullet, they never bring up bullshit about coriolis or curve of the earth. The though never even crosses their mind when their finger is on the trigger
What about line of sight for construction of radio towers shows earth curve? Lines of sight are straight and flat. They build towers just fine so long as the signals can reach far enough. Never has earth curve been a problem for this
Pilots use what is called a azimuthal equidistant projection on a radar. That's a flat earth map. Not that I claim that map, because there are problems with it. Many flat earthers also dont claim that map. Regardless of the problems pilots use it just fine.
Everyone uses flat maps for navigation, without exception. Before electronic technology became advanced, celestial navigation was used. It uses a flat earth.
To respond to your first point, who is exactly "all the people" and how do you know they all said they saw planes? You interviewed every single person in New York that was there that day? No you didnt
>>392766
Infections are caused by pathogens or toxins. You can't produce a sneeze or cough that's powerful enough to make someone sick.
Infections are caused by pathogens or toxins. You can't produce a sneeze or cough that's powerful enough to make someone sick.
I should also note that all literature that's along the lines of "Pilots guide to the globe earth" are all simulations, not the actual radar that pilots are using. Anyway this should be taken to the flat earth thread on /vx/ because it's getting a little too much for this thread
>>392768
Nigger I met some dude who was in school at the time. Pretty sure he didn't have a reason to lie. Go talk to someone who was in view of the towers in 2001. There are many of them.
The Coriolis effect and Eötvös effect are just lies they teach new snipers to make them less effective in combat then all in effort to keep the round earth scam going?
>>392769
Tuberculosis would like a word.
Nigger I met some dude who was in school at the time. Pretty sure he didn't have a reason to lie. Go talk to someone who was in view of the towers in 2001. There are many of them.
The Coriolis effect and Eötvös effect are just lies they teach new snipers to make them less effective in combat then all in effort to keep the round earth scam going?
>>392769
Tuberculosis would like a word.
>>392772
You cannot be inside a school and simotaneously see planes hit the towers. What a bullshit story from him. What, he looked out the window at just the right time? And that window was facing the tower too? Sounds like too much detail for it to be true, due to occams razor it's bullshit
You cannot be inside a school and simotaneously see planes hit the towers. What a bullshit story from him. What, he looked out the window at just the right time? And that window was facing the tower too? Sounds like too much detail for it to be true, due to occams razor it's bullshit
>>392762
>embrace flat-earth
I almost want to, in the same sense that "Starlight Glimmer is best pone" is delightfully sacregligious, but in spite of the lulz I can't honestly pretend that there's evidence the earth is flat. I have attempted to suggest that the earth is MAYBE less round than one might think?, but that's silly, because only the idea that the earth is flat (with whatever geological layering, which no - don't ask - doesn't matter.
>embrace flat-earth
I almost want to, in the same sense that "Starlight Glimmer is best pone" is delightfully sacregligious, but in spite of the lulz I can't honestly pretend that there's evidence the earth is flat. I have attempted to suggest that the earth is MAYBE less round than one might think?, but that's silly, because only the idea that the earth is flat (with whatever geological layering, which no - don't ask - doesn't matter.
>>392776
You mean try applying it to muslim extremists who hijacked a plane and their passport survived in the flames?
I'm going with CGI, it's a less detailed and more logical explanation
Bacteria can be found everywhere on earth. Lots can be done to prevent build up of bad bacteria in the body. No evidence to suggest that it's contagious and spreads from person to person. Someone else's immunity response isn't going to affect you in any way, they can't transmit it
You mean try applying it to muslim extremists who hijacked a plane and their passport survived in the flames?
I'm going with CGI, it's a less detailed and more logical explanation
Bacteria can be found everywhere on earth. Lots can be done to prevent build up of bad bacteria in the body. No evidence to suggest that it's contagious and spreads from person to person. Someone else's immunity response isn't going to affect you in any way, they can't transmit it
>>392777
You are already at the dinosaurs and men lived side by side level and are flirting with germ theory denial. Evidence stopped mastering to you a long time ago. Embrace flat earth and become the most specialist of Boyz.
>>392779
>You mean try applying it to muslim extremists who hijacked a plane and their passport survived in the flames?
Or the planes were real and the passports were not...
>No evidence to suggest that it's contagious and spreads from person to person. Someone else's immunity response isn't going to affect you in any way, they can't transmit it
So hospitals just quarantine TB patients for the lulz then?
You are already at the dinosaurs and men lived side by side level and are flirting with germ theory denial. Evidence stopped mastering to you a long time ago. Embrace flat earth and become the most specialist of Boyz.
>>392779
>You mean try applying it to muslim extremists who hijacked a plane and their passport survived in the flames?
Or the planes were real and the passports were not...
>No evidence to suggest that it's contagious and spreads from person to person. Someone else's immunity response isn't going to affect you in any way, they can't transmit it
So hospitals just quarantine TB patients for the lulz then?
>>392780
The planes being real still suggest there were expert Muslim pilots who hijacked a plane and suicided in the name of their religion. It's a retarded story even when you rule out the passport
TB is an infection, thanks for pointing that out again
The planes being real still suggest there were expert Muslim pilots who hijacked a plane and suicided in the name of their religion. It's a retarded story even when you rule out the passport
TB is an infection, thanks for pointing that out again
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