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Narcissism Thread
Anonymous
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Hey /üb/, how much do you know about Narcissism?
I'd like to direct your attention to Dr. Ramani Dursavula - clinical psychologist, professor at CSU LA, author, youtuber etc, and arguably the leading authority on Narcissism.
The problem with Narcissism as a clinical disorder is that it doesnt bear any of the classical signs of a disorder; the people who bear the symptoms of a narcissistic relationship are not the narcissist themselves, but the people around them. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that narcissists are over-represented in otherwise successful, prestigious, and competitive professions, fields, and careers, effectively calling into question the idea of dysfunction and disorder.
Narcissistic abuse is real, and it's a problem that is not getting any better by the cultural shifts brought about by mass media and technology. What's more, it isnt just the narcissist one has to be on the lookout for, there are plenty of people out their doing the bidding (they're called 'flying monkeys', ala the Wizard of Oz) of narcissists.
Arguably the worst trait of narcissists and those who work on their behalf is that of Gaslighting, which is the deliberate undermining of a person, their perspective/experience, reputation and standing, and other social interactions.
As an easy example, let's look at CNN. Let's assume for a moment that Brian Stelter, Rachel Maddow, Chris Quomo and Don Lemon arent malignant narcissists. I know, but bear with me.
It doesnt matter for those mentioned to not be narcissists if their job is to gaslight on behalf of Jeff Zucker. And what are some examples of gaslighting? Russian hackers, Quid pro quo, Epstein killed himself, Hunyer Biden, and of course muh Covid. A person can be gaslit hundreds or even thousands of times a day just by watching the TV, and that says nothing about their interpersonal interactions.
Let's look at things from a broader scope, and I'll throw out a few names. Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Er8c Schmidt. How many times has one or more of their companies abused one or more individuals on their platform, and has publically denied it even in the face of evidence?
The purpose of this thread is to provide examples of narcissism as well as resources and information that can enable a gradually emerging /üb/erpony to better navigate the world and some of the more nefarious players they may come into contact with. To start things off, here are some good primer videos to broach the subject, by Dr Ramani. She has hundreds of videos ranging from 6-20+ depending on how deep she goes with each topic, all relating ultimately to Narcissism, abuse, awareness, and healing. As one who has lived with narcissistic abuse for years and am only now becoming better able to identify/detect and mitigate the presence and practices of narcissists (most especially malignant ones), my hope is that the content is as informative and actionable to the viewer as I have found it.
https://youtu.be/o8U321uCcvc
https://youtu.be/B9knwjZTaOU
https://youtu.be/d79qPeIt1GY
https://youtu.be/UTS5XsZe9Jg
https://youtu.be/lLsH2NJD1Vo
https://youtu.be/trh_eTkZLeU
https://youtu.be/8S5BtjpF9dA
https://youtu.be/qbFBOAmmu7Y
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Anonymous
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>>5365
>literally depicts narcissistic abuse in the literal narcissism thread
No one knows or cares who you are. If not for your posts, you wouldnt even register. Congrats, your only significance is shitposting on mlpol. Hope it was worth it.
Anonymous
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>>5366
You should calm down a bit. Others are trying to take advantage of my little push.
Anonymous
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No.5368
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>>5367
>Calm down
Yet more gaslighting. I suppose I should thank you for providing organic examples of a narcissist making excuses for themself? Any more examples you wish to provide? Perhaps you'd like to emphatically profess how your posts are a contribution? Or maybe you'll opt to play the coquette? In any case, if your previous is anything to go off of then you wont be able to resist depicting precisely what this thread was intended to illustrate, so by all means continue.
Anonymous
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>>5368
Literally backing you up over there, but alright.
Anonymous
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>>5369
Which one is backing me up? Is it this one?
>>5356
Maybe its this one?
>>5361
Or maybe you're the type pf fuck who backhands people and pretends its fond and appreciative?
Again, please keep posting. I tire of having to provide examples all on my own.
Anonymous
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This thread was cool until all of the shit flinging started.
Anonymous
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>>5371
Funny how that happens
Anonymous
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>>5370
I might have refrained from further postin' if you hadn't reacted like a buffoon.
Also, I meant the pub's boogaloo thread here. >>5369
It might be hard to believe, but am not enjoying this. Please, it's time for you to reconsider.
Anonymous
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>>5373
Anonymous
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>>5374
Shitposting aside, spare yourself; I reiterate the irony of engaging in narcissistic behavior - both attacks and rationalizations - in the narcissism thread.
https://youtu.be/BVHWTpi3c_I
Anonymous
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When people hear the word 'Narcissism', they often misconstrue it with Vainglory and Megalomania (technically synonymous). Media has done little service in promulgating this false perception, most notably through otherwise fictional depictions in TV and Movies.
Narcissism is not about vanity, though thats not to say that a narcissist can't be vain. It is about a mental predisposition toward the individual's desires and motivations, and the will to manipulate, coerce, and control others to fit their preference or agenda. For a narcissist, there is no question in their mind that they are correct in/for doing whatever they have convinced themself they are entitled to. Excepting in the case of a grandiose narcissist, most examples don't involve fawning over themselves and emphasizing their accomplishments, and as such a large percent of the population can't recognize narcissism for what it really is.
It really goes all the way back to the naming of the Narcissus flower; ostensibly named after a mythological character who fell in love with his own reflection and died gazing at it.
This story brings to mind the idea of an absolute love/fascination/fixation with one's self. And this is true for a clinical narcissist, but a bit of word parsing is necessary to get the right idea.
The self-love of both the Narcissist and the namesake is not amorous and idealized, its possessive and controlling.
Narcissus couldnt leave his reflection, not because he was in awe of his own beauty, but because in his self obsession he would not permit his own visage to leave his gaze.
The narcissism is not manifest in adoration, but in injurious control, even at the cost of his own life.
For this reason, a significant percent of people dont know they are dealing with a narcissist and not seeing their behavior as vanglorious, many narcissists can easily and readily rationalize their behavior as anything but what it actually is.
Anonymous
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https://youtu.be/6B0tAn0nrJY
Anonymous
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https://youtu.be/8kE1pe-E8WM
A particularly insightful video, though I'd say that about most videos ITT
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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>>5462
So very, very this. Ive lost count of the number of times an active/potential abuser denounced me as being 'autistic', 'driven' (in an unhealthy context), 'fixated', 'obsessed', or any number of terms/phrases that at the end of the day amount/result to/of holding them accountable for their words and actions.
You know you're 0ver the target when you start taking flak.
Anonymous
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>Ender's Game
As much as can be said of narcissism, in preparation/response for them, many things can be said of their utility.
Conditioning of/by a malevolent narcissist can be the most elite training one can experience.
Peter was a narcissist. This plays out more in the books than the movie, but take my word for it.
And Ender. Ender is insurmountable, because he was subject to a narcissist during his formative years.
Anonymous
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>>5462
Damn straight!
Anonymous
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https://youtu.be/avWHSG4C-uU
>Is it possible to just 'get along' with a narcissist?
No, because 'getting along' with a narcissist means being willing to tolerate, abide, and allow for a narcissist's manipulations, expectatins and demands. The narcissist will never 'stop' playing their games nor maintaining their control of the situation, which among less confrontational people means that the narcissist's games are and become part of the status quo. The narcissist is entirely unwilling to relinquish any control they have over a g8ven situation ESPECIALLY on the topic of levelling the playing field or allowing others their own agency.
However one should be aware of the effect that being unwilling to play the narcissist's tune will have. Quite readily/immediatrly, the narcissist will turn perspective to castigate a person as being difficult, argumentative, unreasonable, etc. and people will readily go along with it, simply for having boundaries, for maintaining autonomy, and for being unwilling to be manipulated.
While not the best example, as it involves elements of borderline personality, look at the situation with Amber Heard and Johnny Depp; she abused him on a number of levels fornyears, butbwhen he finally had enough she turned around and accused him of precisely the abuse she had been inflicting on him.
And people STILL believe her, in spite of audio recordings, video, countless testimony from unbiased and otherwise uninvested witnesses, et al.
In a weird sense, one might suggest that manipulations and control methods are part of the narcissist's manifested integrity, in that it is integral to their presentation, and one which they will defend/deny (unless a suitable incentive - and I mean a literal incentive, not a conceptual or ideological one - outweighs whatever extant incentive that ordinarily governs their behavior) on principle, even in the face of incontravertable proof.
Anonymous
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How does clinical narcissism interact with Borderline Personality Disorder? They have a lot of similar symptoms.
A lot of people are aware of narcissism, but fewer people are aware of BPD.
Anonymous
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>>5530
To clarify, I mean that, like NPD, BPD individuals have some similar symptoms when it comes to relationships in that they may take grievances or gestures very personally:
>Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment.
>A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and evaluation
>Markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
>Transient, stress-related paranoia or severe dissociative symptoms.
>Chronic feelings of emptiness
That's not to say that NPD and BPD are similar themselves, as they are in fact very different psychosis, but a person who interacts with a borderline patient and witnesses these few symptoms may mistake them for a narcissistic person. Both are prone to behaviors that some may consider 'abusive', but while narcissistic person's are egotistical and concerned with self-image, borderline individuals are mostly afraid of abandonment and are spooked at any bumps in relationships. Narcissistic people are too concerned with themselves to consider others perspectives, but their sense of self-worth isn't necessarily unhealthy. Borderline individuals care neurotically about maintaining relationships and fear suggestions of abandonment/betrayal, which can appear egotistical if they're in positions to interact with a lot of people; their personal sense of self-worth is often fragile.
Misattributing these behaviors or misdiagnosing the symptoms may have caused a lot of strife for these patients, because the ways to address them in therapy and life coaching are very different, in addition to how to interact with them on a personal basis (personality disorders can't be cured, so if you care about someone you might want to just accept some behaviors as disabilities).
Anonymous
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>>5531
Hard to answer authoritatively, having never (knowingly) interacted with BPD; the gist/summary is somewhat parallel to NPD.
Mix the absolute self-obsession of a narcissist, and then add the instability Bipolar disorder - with the extreme highs and lows and the behaviors that result - and you get Borderline, afaik.
Anonymous
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>>5532
I was moreso getting at that some of narcissism could actually be mistaken BPD.
>absolute self-obsession of a narcissist
See, that's a common misconception of BPD people. Their fear of abandonment and manipulative behavior is often mistaken for self-obsession, but actually they want to feel connected to people, rather than just wanting attention from anyone. It's for that reason that they don't hesitate to act like total cringelords and emo crybabies to get pity out of people they want to feel connected to, whereas narcissistic people tend to be a bit more refined in their image.
Really, they're both incredibly sad psychosis. Mental illness is a tragic thing.
Anonymous
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>>5533
>Mental illness is a tragic thing
Checked
Anonymous
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When the narcissist says "You can't take criticism" she isn't saying the quiet part out loud, which is "You won't take my critcism as gospel, chase my approval, and treat my opinion as your new God".
Anonymous
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https://youtu.be/0fPrD7t88dw
The short version is, no
Anonymous
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Narcissists love to say "Your principles aren't real if I can't exploit them forever at will" but dressed up in narcissist shitspeak. Even Jesus could get angry. Tolerance of evil is not a virtue.
Anonymous
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>>5572
That's not inherently narcissistic. It's just a normal common shit take.
Anonymous
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>>5573
On the one hand, hes trying; on the other hand, without name-dropping... ya know
Anonymous
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>>5574
What?
Anonymous
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>>5574
I don't understand. What do you mean?
Anonymous
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>>5573
I have only narcissism claim "Your principles are not real" when they cannot be exploited forever.
Anonymous
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>>5577
>"Your principles are not real"
It sounds like gaslighting.
Anonymous
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>>5577
*have only heard
>>5578
Yeah. They desperately want you to try and change into someone more exploitable.
Anonymous
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>>5579
Except, anon is right; you're not necessarilt describing a narcissist, and your example is uselessly specific
Anonymous
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>>5580
It's a good example of the shit narcissists do. They want to exploit you and believe they have the right to do so. They attack you, undermine you, and believe they have the right to treat you like dogshit while you don't have the right to object or complain.
Anonymous
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>>5581
It's really not though. It's lazy, non-specific, and really only conveys that you don't like narcissists; 'useful' though that may seem on paper (and sympathetic though that position may be), there are far more effective materials ITT that are actually useful and good for the user.
Anonymous
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Perhaps the following fits here:

>One of the things satanists are said to have to do at a certain high level is publicly manifest both themselves AND their plans.
>Diabolical Narcissism
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/06/07/one-of-the-things-satanists-are-said-to-have-to-do-at-a-certain-high-level-is-publicly-manifest-both-themselves-and-their-plans/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7-i8S1zI14
Anonymous
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https://youtu.be/pqlX3bAc8n4
>3:50
>In this kind of cult-like relationship the 'leader' pushes the other person in the relationship to follow them and support their 'mission'. The other person then has to suppress their reality and make themselves into whatever the narcissist wants them to be. The person who is in a relationship with a narcissist is constantly supporting the grandiosity of the narcissist, who takes advantage of the other person.
Anonymous
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https://youtu.be/OPHjf6CKgwQ
While openly advocating for the utility of therapy, not all counselors are created equal nor are all therapists specifically and directly... useful in recovery. Due diligence is still a thing, and one should interview a prospective therapist/counselor before opening up to them.
While there is a significant percent that have their client's best interests involved, the field of.mental health is also fraught with individuals who have distinct mental issues of their own. I dont necessarily mean dysfunction, but neither can it be ruled out.
Anonymous
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"Why is your pain any more important than my pleasure?" -Marquis de Sade from whom the term 'sadism' was coined.
Anonymous
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https://youtu.be/CGwzjUgnCQo
This video hilights the manner in which Camille Vasquez impeaches Amber Heard on the witness stand.
>Amber Heard vs. Johnny Depp
You knew I was going there, I knew I was going there, this whole trial and process has been a goldmine for narcissistic behavioral analysis. Yes, Heard was diagnosed Borderline/Hysterionic, but that only applies to her specific motivations for engaging in narcissistic behavior; the gaslighting, the absolute refusal to take any responsibility and deflect it on others, the ansolute adherence to depicting herself as being a particilar 'way' when literally depicting herself contrary, etc ad nauseum (literally).
But theres plenty of that sort of stuff ITT.
THIS video focuses on how to cut through the bullshit when dealing with such a narcissist, when you are fully aware and prepared for the narcissist's manipulations and strategies.
Ngl, I found it very validating, as it hilights tactics I have developed and used both on and off board to expose narcissistic intent, behavior, and method.
As hilighted, the first aspect is to know what the truth is, be direct about it, and not be distracted or diverted into arguing the narcissist's premise; they will say anything and everything to obfuscate the truth even when holding or looking at proof that they are lying.
The next aspect is to be very clear with your expression. Feigning incomprehension is another common tactic to try and weasel out of exposure, and when a person expresses this to very clear and precise language, it shows. It shows that either A. they're an idiot and can't comprehend precise specificity, or B. they're engaged in manipulation in an attempt to maintain their false public persona, by trying to distract from the specific phrasing or questioning.
Appreciate, one is never going to get any sort of admission from a Narcissist. Ever. This is why when unavoidably dealing with one, the person's objective can't be to reason with them; the objective is to get THEM to illustrate for the AUDIENCE who/what they are.
Outside of a courtroom, that's really hard to do without being smeared, defamed, etc., and presumably why the videographer advises avoiding such people/encounters at all cost; she's not wrong.
But for those unavoidable, inevitable, or 'something important is on the line' sorts of scenarios, Ms. Vasquez makes for an excellent primer on how to do it like a pro.
Anonymous
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https://youtu.be/EYMoSb4rzy0
More useful takeaways from the JD/AH trial/fallout, focusing on the warning signs JD ignored, leading to the situation that has now unfolded publicly.
Never fuck crazy.
Anonymous
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>>5661
>>5671
>Amber Heard
Anonymous
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>>5672
Yes, Heard is a walking shitshow. A perfect sample case, from which unexposed people can see what a narcissist is like. But, in the aftermath, I hope to keep constructive my comments and posts about. I doubt theres more to be gleaned beyond 'what to avoid' and all that. My next post is gonna be a review of Will/Jada/their kid (I forgey his name) and all the onvious signs of natcissism (hint, its all 3).
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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No.5765
https://youtu.be/tT7EZtHEjv8
Anonymous
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https://youtu.be/ryBlJJNkuk8
Anonymous
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https://youtu.be/jXrxDKwlA_s
Slated for the category of "nobody fucking cares", Will Smith (if you havent heard) made an apology video. Its shit, and theres plenty of people who have made reaction/response videos to that end.
The one thing that so far no one appears to have picked out of the video is this.
>2:21
>There is no part of me that thinks that that was the right way to behave in that moment. There is no part of me that thinks that is the optimal way to handle a feeling of disrespect or or insults
No part? Not one part? Theres nothing in the lizard brain that told him at the time that that was PRECISELY the correct action?
This is just one step removed from claims like "Im not that person" sometimes with the qualifier of "anymore". The correct thing to say would be to admit his fault AND the fact that part of him DID think that was the correct way to act, but after careful consideration he NOW realizes that he is vulnerable to such impulse (as evidenced). But this isnt about progress or work, nor is it about mending fences. This is a publicity stunt, to protect the ego/career of someone who just so happens to have ruined the minds of an entire generation of niggers by promoting the worst aspects of "black culture" during his time playing the Fresh Prince.
He may not be a diagnosable narcissist himself (there are some signs though), but he sure as hell taught people to be one and promoted narcissistic behavior, the reverberations of which are still observable in society.
Fuck this nigger
Anonymous
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