/ub/ - Überhengst

Becoming better


If you want to see the latest posts from all boards in a convenient way please check out /overboard/

Name
Email
Subject
By clicking New Reply, I acknowledge the existence of the Israeli nuclear arsenal.
Comment
0
Select File / Oekaki
File(s)
Password (For file and/or post deletion.)

20210619_095232.jpg
Narcissism Thread
Anonymous
a9c5d8d
?
No.3866
3957 4370
Hey /üb/, how much do you know about Narcissism?
I'd like to direct your attention to Dr. Ramani Dursavula - clinical psychologist, professor at CSU LA, author, youtuber etc, and arguably the leading authority on Narcissism.
The problem with Narcissism as a clinical disorder is that it doesnt bear any of the classical signs of a disorder; the people who bear the symptoms of a narcissistic relationship are not the narcissist themselves, but the people around them. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that narcissists are over-represented in otherwise successful, prestigious, and competitive professions, fields, and careers, effectively calling into question the idea of dysfunction and disorder.
Narcissistic abuse is real, and it's a problem that is not getting any better by the cultural shifts brought about by mass media and technology. What's more, it isnt just the narcissist one has to be on the lookout for, there are plenty of people out their doing the bidding (they're called 'flying monkeys', ala the Wizard of Oz) of narcissists.
Arguably the worst trait of narcissists and those who work on their behalf is that of Gaslighting, which is the deliberate undermining of a person, their perspective/experience, reputation and standing, and other social interactions.
As an easy example, let's look at CNN. Let's assume for a moment that Brian Stelter, Rachel Maddow, Chris Quomo and Don Lemon arent malignant narcissists. I know, but bear with me.
It doesnt matter for those mentioned to not be narcissists if their job is to gaslight on behalf of Jeff Zucker. And what are some examples of gaslighting? Russian hackers, Quid pro quo, Epstein killed himself, Hunyer Biden, and of course muh Covid. A person can be gaslit hundreds or even thousands of times a day just by watching the TV, and that says nothing about their interpersonal interactions.
Let's look at things from a broader scope, and I'll throw out a few names. Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Er8c Schmidt. How many times has one or more of their companies abused one or more individuals on their platform, and has publically denied it even in the face of evidence?
The purpose of this thread is to provide examples of narcissism as well as resources and information that can enable a gradually emerging /üb/erpony to better navigate the world and some of the more nefarious players they may come into contact with. To start things off, here are some good primer videos to broach the subject, by Dr Ramani. She has hundreds of videos ranging from 6-20+ depending on how deep she goes with each topic, all relating ultimately to Narcissism, abuse, awareness, and healing. As one who has lived with narcissistic abuse for years and am only now becoming better able to identify/detect and mitigate the presence and practices of narcissists (most especially malignant ones), my hope is that the content is as informative and actionable to the viewer as I have found it.
https://youtu.be/o8U321uCcvc
https://youtu.be/B9knwjZTaOU
https://youtu.be/d79qPeIt1GY
https://youtu.be/UTS5XsZe9Jg
https://youtu.be/lLsH2NJD1Vo
https://youtu.be/trh_eTkZLeU
https://youtu.be/8S5BtjpF9dA
https://youtu.be/qbFBOAmmu7Y
16 replies and 3 files omitted.
Anonymous
5f4d2b8
?
No.3947
https://youtu.be/Y0E6YZlp08U
Here's another guy. Hes got a PHD in psychology and works as a psychotherapist with emphasis on narcissism. He tends to ramble a bit more than Dr. Ramani, but his content is decent.
Anonymous
5f4d2b8
?
No.3949
https://youtu.be/YqsM88h52pM
Anonymous
5f4d2b8
?
No.3953
https://youtu.be/FIKinW1JYdE
Anonymous
5f4d2b8
?
No.3956
https://youtu.be/KJMB3O1e0fo
And one more for good measure
Anonymous
8b1f406
?
No.3957
3958 3961 4888 5096
>>3866
How can i tell if i'm a narcissist?
Anonymous
896c261
?
No.3958
3959 3960
>>3957
Easily. Do you want to be a good person?
Anonymous
8b1f406
?
No.3959
>>3958
Yea i do
Anonymous
5f4d2b8
?
No.3960
3962 4888
>>3958
No, this is anything but an actionable criteria. This seems like the watered down criteria by which a person excuses themselves from narcissism 'cuz some guy on the internet said it'.
>>3958
Tough question. Theres no easy answer or quick rubric by which to gauge.
The problem is one of perspective. Let's take >>3958 this perspective for example.
A narcissist sees their intentions and desires as being 'good', thus any person who aspires to the same ends that they aspire to would appear 'good', and summarily any who detract from the narcissist are 'bad'. Therefore, perception is an insufficient guideline hy which to gauge or refute narcissism.
If I (and you, no offense) were being honest, how many attempts have you made to manipulate and control othera' behavior? To what degree have you manipulated and/or conditioned others to comply with your will?
The biggest eliminator of narcissism as a possibility is the degree to which a person will accept and allow ignominy/dishonor, from a socialized standpoint. Narcissists cant bear for their reputation/social-image to be tarnished, and wont abide being alone (because alone means no narcissistic supply). Social perception is directly tied to a narcissist's
Self image, which when threatened is probably the BEST indicator.

If/when things dont go your way, do you respond by restricting/demanding from others? Have you ever used your dissatisfaction of a situation as a justification to impose unacceptable limits or expectations on others?
If we're being honest, and again I mean no offense hy this line of inquiry, how often has YOUR satisfaction depeneded on the compliance of others? Does compliance even enter into your worldview?

Tl;dr. Rigorous honesty. Narcissists are ALL about rationalization (not to say that non-narcs dont display uhm,.. 'mental blind spots' for their own machinations and agendas), so the best test one can self-impose pertains to one's own bullshit. If one is willing/able to fearlessly address their own failings without resorting to excuses, rationale, or other tactics, it's a good sign of an absence of narcissism. I could point to other traits, but can't articulate them in a manner that doesnt offer an easy out for a narcissist.

Heres a bigger and more generalized rhetorical question. When adverse situations arise, how often is it 'someone else's fault'? Taking and owning responsibility is something that a narcissist can only appear to do. Personal integrity is key.
Anonymous
5f4d2b8
?
No.3961
Whoops, second citation was supposed to be directed at >>3957
Anonymous
5f4d2b8
?
No.3962
>>3960
Further to my point
https://youtu.be/mH7do8ut3eU
Anonymous
5f4d2b8
?
No.3963
https://youtu.be/RWTHkTUZkT4
Anonymous
5f4d2b8
?
No.3964
https://youtu.be/UZYzLU2Yras
Anonymous
a9c5d8d
?
No.3969
https://youtu.be/Yso5OadAIco
Anonymous
a9c5d8d
?
No.3970
https://youtu.be/lDclCIFQML8
Anonymous
aedbae0
?
No.3972
088484.jpeg
>Nothing New Under the Sun: When Dostoyevsky Described Diabolical Narcissism
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/07/07/nothing-new-under-the-sun-when-dostoyevsky-described-diabolical-narcissism/
Anonymous
64cee27
?
No.4003
https://youtu.be/FqJXmlg0vbs
Anonymous
64cee27
?
No.4004
https://youtu.be/pYwqHcLnRyo
Fin
Anonymous
896c261
?
No.4008
Hello, everyone! Have I posted in this thread before?
Anonymous
aedbae0
?
No.4049
984895615.jpeg
>Covid Cult
>Why the DeathJabbed will insist to their dying breath that YOU must play the Clottery too: Anger, Hatred, Jealously & Fear, synthesized in one word: SPITE
>Anger, hatred, jealousy and fear are the four emotions which constitute the Diabolical Narcissism emotional palette. The one word that describes the synthesis of these emotional dynamics is SPITE.
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/08/01/why-the-deathjabbed-will-insist-to-their-dying-breath-that-you-must-play-the-clottery-too-anger-hatred-jealously-fear-synthesized-in-one-word-spite/
Anonymous
4d78204
?
No.4370
4371 4372 4373 4374 4383
>>3866
It's not the narcissists here, it's you, you sick sonofabitch. You just attack all these "narcissists" because you, shall we say, looked at the mirror a bit too much yourself and let some jew doctor finish the job? Now you've really been backed into a corner here, because if you stop attacking people to get a momentary hit of relief from the psychic pain you're most certainly going through, you're gonna have to follow through with that little plan you've been thinking about, the one that involves you sucking on lead instead of your next cock?

Isn't that right Ninjas? The truth hurts, doesn't it buddy. But the clock's still ticking, pal. This isn't a question you can run from; not for much longer anyway. Are you gonna do the right thing, or are you gonna wipe yourself from the planet and try to take as many people closest to you as you can? With the way things have been going, I'd put my money on your continuance in taking the latter option. But I guess I'm open to being surprised. Stranger things have indeed happened than a self-professed nazi tranny. Than a militant troon getting himself out of dire straits.

And hey. If you don't like someone going out of their way to help you, please. Keep it to yourself. You might have convinced yourself with surging levels of E that you're the one helping people here, but if you ever did get off of it, I think you'd take a more realistic perspective of what's going on. You're trying to fix people like a naggy woman would and are basically just trying to fuck with their emotions and bust their nuts, but with the rage stemming from that problem I've alluded to up above you're not able to act like a lady would and keep her peace at the very least on occasion. Which kind of goes with the territory of "straddling the line gets you nowhere," that sort of thing. But I suppose you could've already guessed that one, what with your general disposition and all.

I hate your fucking guts, you're the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned, the worst of the worst. Degenerate and sadomasochist beyond measure. But I assume like everyone else here does, I respect that you've got a screw loose and are generally pissed off enough to make implicit threats here and there, dig into your deep well of rage about some poor decision you made alongside the excuse that you don't like the cut of someone's jib. Unstable mentally speaking, pretty much. All in all I can most definitely say that it's been a massive displeasure ever knowing you and I very well hope that this is the last time we ever have any contact with each other whatsoever. At this point I couldn't care less what you do as far as getting better or joining the 41% is concerned, and I suppose that's saying quite a lot. To put it lightly. I'd rather you hurry up and skip the foreplay, but I guess that's not really up to me.

Well, good luck, I guess. Or not. This is the point where I'd say it'd been nice knowing you, but, you know. It's been anything but.
Anonymous
c7a2ea6
?
No.4371
>>4370
You get angry at OP for overplaying the effects of narcissism, but you seem to have taken this thread awfully personally... Curious.
Anonymous
4009990
?
No.4372
>>4370
I feel like youre having trouble opening up, that youre putting up walls to avoid speaking your mind. Its okay anon, you can say what you really feel
Anonymous
24d8db5
?
No.4373
4374 4383
>>4370
What the fuck nigger. It's been 60 days more or less. Unless you're referencing something else.
Go here next time
>>2676 →
Then reference the post(s) or something. Otherwise it's a shot in the dark. Or don't.
Anonymous
0b6eb89
?
No.4374
4383
>>4370
>>4373
Imagine having an ego so fragile that you'd bump a thread that hasn't been posted to in two months, because you can't handle the thought that you might be narcissistic.
Anonymous
5335fd5
?
No.4375
2818.png
From the screenshot just posted at >>>/mlpol/320710 →
Anonymous
5335fd5
?
No.4378
789e1.png
>>4376
>Oh look, my thread on /vx/ has finally been deleted.
Anonymous
0cebb3a
?
No.4379
4380
>>4377
mixed nuts 2. I had expressed an interest in it being deleted several months ago, but it wasnt until I started openly naming narcissists (and an oddly intervening time period) that it seems to have finally been deleted.
How odd, the archive for /vx/ doesnt seem to be operating. It couldnt be that I said some things in that thread that individuals want not to be seen. It probably isnt, but its still 'funny' that the archive seems to have neglected /vx/. It works for /üb/, I cant imagine what the issue could be.
But enough of that, this thread is about narcissists and narcissism and as OP (he's not wrong) I do a disservice by engaging derailing conversations and inquiry.
Lotus
## Admin
0000000
?
No.4380
231F17E3-E6FD-4B97-A7C7-D200C8696DEF.png
>>4379
Four seconds to go to the “search” bar, type in “mixed nuts 2,” and click on the most recent result.
https://mlpol.net/vx/145842#145842
Anonymous
0cebb3a
?
No.4381
Addendum
After painting myself 6 shades of idiot, I have to publicly acknowledge several oversights, including that mixed nuts 2 is not gone. I wont attempt to excuse the fault, Ill just acknowedge it and move on, while retracting the premature speculation that resulted.
Anonymous
5e754f5
?
No.4383
4384
>>4374
Me >>4373 and other Anon >>4370 are different users.
There wasn't much for me to say itt. Uhhh Political Ponerology is nice to know.
Anonymous
24d8db5
?
No.4384
>>4383
Wifi fuckery atm
Anonymous
8e9cba1
?
No.4439
4440
489651-1.jpeg
489651-2.jpeg
>A sobering read: Critical Race Theory and all Marxist social projects ultimately create Diabolical Narcissists whose trajectory is explicitly suicidal
>The thing about suicidal narcissists is that they have a very nasty habit of becoming MURDEROUS suicidal narcissists. Cross reference: the islamic political faux-religion. Why? Because like the demons they emulate, Diabolical Narcissists are fueled and animated by SPITE.
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/10/15/a-sobering-read-critical-race-theory-and-all-marxist-social-projects-ultimately-create-diabolical-narcissists-whose-trajectory-is-explicitly-suicidal/
Anonymous
5af9ab7
?
No.4440
4444
>>4439
What the fuck?
I know Rand said these fuckers want us to die more than they want to live and want us to starve more than they want to eat, but...
Holy shit.
Those demons actually want to be slain, and they hate us for not putting them out of their misery.
Anonymous
8e9cba1
?
No.4444
nacissists rewrite history to escape accountability.jpeg
>>4440
Yup.
Anonymous
3a81dae
?
No.4677
gaslighting-9.jpeg

Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.4685
4686
The following video was taken during an interview with Paul Bernardo, a convicted sex offender and murderer.
https://youtu.be/zs-RBcvzZu0
This video takes place 17 years after his conviction and was conducted in trying to investigate for any info that might help solve a number of associated cases.
But where it shines is by it making a stunning case for the incorrigibility of a narcissist, regardless of the circumstances they find themselves in. Observe how he avoids any acknowledgement of responsibility or fault, even though his guilt has long since (17 years) been concluded.
This is the level of honesty and responsibility one can expect from a narcissist. Any apparent consolation is a manipulation int3nded to try and control the situation by.
Obviously, not all narcissists are so heinous, but the manipulations and the why (control) are the consistent variables.
Anonymous
3a81dae
?
No.4686
police.jpg
>>4685
Anonymous
bc03f06
?
No.4687
4688
721__safe_artist-colon-johnjoseco_trixie_pony_unicorn_adobe+imageready_bed_bust_female_looking+at+you_mare_morning+ponies_narcissism_picture_pillow_plushie_.png
Narcissists are sexy.
I want an emotionally-unstable mare with a crystal ego who refers to herself in third person.
Anonymous
bc03f06
?
No.4688
1596614__explicit_alternate+version_artist-colon-shero90_artist-colon-sugarlesspaints_trixie_human_pony_unicorn_anal_animated_bit_blushing_bondage_bondage+furni.gif
1519034__explicit_artist-colon-wenni_artist-colon-whydomenhavenipples_trixie_pony_anatomically+correct_arm+behind+back_armpits_bdsm_belly+button_blindfold_blush.png
2694292__explicit_artist-colon-alcor_trixie_human_pony_unicorn_ahegao_anatomically+correct_anus_balls_blushing_crying_disembodied+hand_dock_drool_drool+string_f.png
>>4687
I want to crush Trixie's fragile ego like a soda can.
Anonymous
eebbc50
?
No.4705
https://youtu.be/b_mVil-m6CE
>A scapegoat is a person who is blamed for the mistakes or sins of another person.
>Scapegoating is often done to get the scapegoater off the hook, leaving the scapegoat holding the bag, and the beat goes on.

This video focuses on scapegoating in a family dynamic, specifically in childhood; however, in observance that - outside lengthy processing and individual work - people tend to play out the roles in adulthood that they are familiar with from childhood, it can equally apply to the environments that narcissists foster whether professionally, economically, socially, etc., as well as the permissiveness a scapegoat may apply when finding themselves in such a dynamic later in life.
Anonymous
3a81dae
?
No.4751
4752
74841.png
>Prof. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Heretic
>Is There A Narcissism Epidemic and, if so, Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN2V7DOwLfs
Mirrors:
https://odysee.com/@JollyHeretic:d/is-there-a-narcissism-epidemic-and-if-so:a
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LN2V7DOwLfs/
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.4752
4753
>>4751
Loved it, thanks. Alot of good info and observations, but the cherry was
>positive and negative ethno-centralism
as a concept and how it relates to whether a society or group is socially adaptive or maladaptive. In a historical context it beautifully summarizes alot of what made Nazi germany successful, and I also feel it is essential to creating and establishing healthy networks in our communities by which to prepare for and adapt to many of the sociological changes that (ahem) many of us see 'coming down the pipe'.
Anonymous
3a81dae
?
No.4753
>>4752
Yup. Dutton has the talent to be eloquent, concise and go straight to the point without to enter into obscure terminologies.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.4760
While not sold on his test, theres some valid analysis here of a more generalized narcissistic approach that is especially easy to detect through digital (text, chat, post, etc) conversation if one knows what to look for.
https://youtu.be/vcWvJmWIlo0
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.4763
4888 5096
Today's video covers the Covert Narcissist, sometimes known as the Fragile or Vulnerable narcissist. This is a narcissist who is NOT an 'alpha' or a domineering narcissist, and who's position of power is either tenative or uncertain. This type can be especially confusing because they WILL make admissions, convey guilt and vulnerabikity, bit as a manipulation tactic in order to achieve control over their situation in a goven context, bit once their narcissistic supply is achieved, they will then display the classic traits of a grandiose narcissist until they reach a position of depletion. This one is especially tricky because to the untrained eye they will cyclicly go through periods of 'improvement', but those phases are lapses in supply, and the efforts to seemingly improve are periods of manipulation to prime the targrt for later exploitation.
>Common phrases
'I need you', 'I depend on you', 'I cant do this without you', etc., geared toward incrntivising, coercing, and guilt-tripping the targrt into compliance.
https://youtu.be/q6vlnfdo5jI
Anonymous
4a58aa6
?
No.4887
>>3868
Narcissists often behave like babies. I think they ARE overgrown babies, people for whom neural pruning has pruned the ability to grow the fuck up and behave maturely due to disuse.
Anonymous
4a58aa6
?
No.4888
4889
>>3927
Out of the narcissists who were actually studied (sorry, don't remember the study's name), only 25% of them grew up in "normal" families. 75% had narcissistic, abusive, or similarly incompetent parents.
So yeah, it's mostly caused by bad upbringing.
>>3957
Can you admit that you, personally, to no one else's fault, fucked up? Can you accept your own fault when it's to your own detriment as opposed to benefit?

Narcissism is a self-sustaining pattern of behaviour: to change the pattern requires admitting first that there's a problem, and narcissists are physically incapable of doing so. They will do absolutely anything in their power to avoid experiencing the feeling of being in the wrong.
>>3960
"Attempts to manipulate/control others" aren't a good self-diagnosis indicator either because a narcissist will just dance around and try to redefine words.
Honestly, nothing is a good self-indicator: a narcissist will never do anything that will stop them from being a narcissist. Said attempts to weasel out are however a good indication of narcissism to others.

If you CAN admit fault, but still have behaviors matching a narcissist, congratulations! You've got fleas from being raised by dogs. It's fixable but it requires getting the fuck away from the actual narcissists so they can't sabotage and undermine your efforts to grow up.
>>4763
>because they WILL make admissions
No they won't. They'll make up bullshit that SOUNDS, to the uninitiated, as an admission of guilt, but if actually looked at, blames others. The "nonpologies". Stuff like "I'm sorry you got upset with me". Not "I'm sorry I did [shit] that upset you".
A genuine narcissist (i.e. one who is incurable) is completely uncapable of saying "I have fucked up by doing [x], I am sorry that I've done [x] and will try to avoid doing so in the future".
Someone who can say that, but still does narcissistic behaviours, has them learned and thus can have them unlearned, if (s)he actually faces, analyzes, and makes an effort to change them.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.4889
4981
>>4888
First off, those digits.
Your post is virtually uncontestable. The only point of contention is to do with the degree of sophistication that could (unlikely) be employed in the nonpology (great word btw). A true apology involves corrective effort over time in aftermath of the admission, and in that one can differentiate the sincerety
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.4890
4981
Sorry, what I mean is that there are certain narcissists who can appear entirely genuine and sincere, and only by analyzing the degree that their actions are more or less consistent with the conviction of their words.
Not to say all who so err are narcissists, but it then falls in the realm of unrefuted possibility.
Also
>75% had narcissistic, abusive, or similarly incompetent parents.
Getting shit on doesnt excuse shitting on.
Anonymous
4a58aa6
?
No.4981
>>4889
>>4890
>A true apology involves corrective effort over time in aftermath of the admission, and in that one can differentiate the sincerety
Yes, I just can't actually remember the full list of parts of the genuine apology, so every time I mention it, I forget some of them.
>Getting shit on doesnt excuse shitting on.
True, my point was that narcissism is very much nurture AND nature, and runs in families.
It's not even getting shat on, most narcissists are the golden children, who were outwardly pampered and placated and hence grew up to be spoiled assholes even less fit for child-raising than their parents.
Anonymous
75263eb
?
No.5076
5078 5081 5098
You're an idiot, Starscream..gif
Starscream from Transformers is the perfect example of a true narcissist, he is highly selfish and deceptive with his own goals as his first and foremost important above the lives or interests of anything else. His egotistical self importance matters more than whether his incompetent leadership is successful.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5078
5086 5091
>>5076
There is no 'perfect example' of a narcissist, and a cartoon for an example is of little use as its a caricature.
If you want a glaring contemporary example, look at Juicy Sommoulier. Or Alec Baldwin. Or Nigel.
Anonymous
5eaec3f
?
No.5081
5083 5091
>>5076
How is starscream a narcissist?
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5083
>>5081
Starscream is as much of a narcissist as Tigger from Winnie-the-Pooh. Its counter produtive and muddies the water to psychologically analyze fictional characters, as everything of them is literally dictated by the author.
But for those who wish to, I found a video that should appeal for a variety of reasons.
https://youtu.be/N5E_v_jGDq8
Anonymous
1acf365
?
No.5085
For further clarity, Starscream is a caricature of what passes contemporaneously as a narcissist in popular culture. The depiction of narcissism as having an overblown sense of vanity and self-importance isnt inaccurate, but Starscream is far more in the neighborhood of a borderline personality, in that he cant differentiate between what will benefit his agenda versus what will satisfy his ego. While this is a behavior pattern observable in SOME narcissists, it has alot of overlap with other disorders and condititons, and a determination based only on those characteristics is premature and invalid.
Tl;dr Starscream is as 'perfect' an example of narcissism, as Ginger Beer is of what different flavors of soda taste like.
Anonymous
edd427e
?
No.5086
5090
>>5078
How often do you feel the urge to remind people Trump is blonde? You would not have spent five years reminding people you think I am a narcissist if you did not feel it was necessary to wear them down over the years before they agree with you.
>inb4 "denouncing nigel isn't off topic but it is off-topic for him to reply with anything"
In any case, while fictitious characters can display traits of real-world mental problems, an authentic depiction of these problems rarely takes priority over the story being told with these characters. People are still arguing over whether Powder/Jinx from Arcane has schizophrenia and PTSD or bipolar/borderline personality disorder or abandonment issues and whether her clingy behaviour pre-Jokerfication behaviour means anything.
Anonymous
a8faf17
?
No.5090
5094
>>5086
I havent promoted the idea of you being a narcissist (an idea that seems so overwhelmingly consistent with the literature that even I as an unlicensed individual can make the determination) except for the last year and a half.
Stop lying.
I havent worn anyone down.
Stop lying.
I HAVE however, strategically explained your behavior (directly and indirectly) for sufficient consistency and duration, achieving comprehensiveness such that people who used to disagree and contest can now only accede to the accuracy of the overview I have detailed. Moreover, I havent even argued the point, I've taken the time to assert authortative info at interval and have allowed the content (and your behavior, thanks for that) to argue on my behalf.
Next, Trump ISNT blonde, at least not naturally. He used to have dark hair, so any appearance of blond is artificial; whether hair implants, dyes and treatments, I neither know nor care.

Now then
>In any case, while fictitious characters can display traits of real-world mental problems, an authentic depiction of these problems rarely takes priority over the story being told with these characters. People are still arguing over whether Powder/Jinx from Arcane has schizophrenia and PTSD or bipolar/borderline personality disorder or abandonment issues and whether her clingy behaviour pre-Jokerfication behaviour means anything.
Please explain how this is in any way on topic.
Anonymous
75263eb
?
No.5091
StarscreamSmirk.png
>>5078
>There is no 'perfect example' of a narcissist, and a cartoon for an example is of little use as its a caricature.
I believe that fictional representations of narcissism is worthy of consideration than that of real people who are insufferably full of themselves, since a character is more of a canvas for what a narcissist could be rather than actually is, such as Starscream. Even Megatron could be classed as having similar features but more so to a further extreme.
Either that or one can completely disregard any and all characters that aren't real for the sole purpose that they do not exist.
>If you want a glaring contemporary example, look at Nigel.
Of course this place has it's very own self obsessed attention addicts, him and several anons here exhibit such personalities.
>>5081
I'm referring to the original Generation 1 Starscream, by the design of him he is obviously cunning and has ulterior motives that are fueled by his own desires. If you wish to differ than that is by your own personal choice of disagreement.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5092
5097

>a character is more of a canvas for what a narcissist could be rather than actually is, such as Starscream
I encourage everyone to marvel in that amalgamated phrase. I dont know, but it it is amazing.
Meanwhile, reminder that this is the Narcissism thread, geared toward providing actionable information and material of/pertaining-to narcissists, and NOT trying to tag random cartoons with otherwise definitive and severe terms to muddy the water, waste everyone's time, or otherwise insert an unwarranted (((nose))) into the mix.
Anonymous
7f97143
?
No.5093
5095
IMG_2348.jpg
>somebody had to rope Nigel into what was otherwise an informative conversation
It's all so tiresome.

pic unrelated
Anonymous
edd427e
?
No.5094
>>5090
I know I shouldn't give you the time of day if you're going to talk to me like that. I know it's "feeding the troll" to waste my time trying to reason with somebody in this state. You're shit-slinging hysterically again, trying to wear everyone down again, hoping it will upset me. Maybe you'll feel validated if somebody joins in on your shit-slinging by calling me a faggot, how tiresome. I don't have to explain why you're wrong. But fuck it, your bait is just too fucking stupid. Might as well get this over with.

Allow me to explain.

It would not matter if Starscream was or was not a good example of narcissism. And he is not a good example, because he is a one-note meme character to sell pieces of plastic to little boys and bad movies to boomers who want to cum inside Megan Fox. Replying to a topic conversation someone else is derailing not mean I am posting off-topic, especially not when I am trying to get the topic back on topic. When a writer writes a story about something other than mental illnesses, accurately depicting the mental illness is not the author's top priority. The topic of whether a toy-selling cartoon character depicts a mental illness accurately or not, or even the pop-culture nigger's view of it(which nobody was talking about) is irrelevant to a discussion on real-world narcissism, how to handle narcissists, how to deal with narcissists in the real world, and so on.

It's like blabbering about Phoenix Wright and How To Get Away With Murder in the middle of a discussion on real-world courtroom bullshit. Talk of narcissism in media is off topic in a thread about real-world narcissism and dealing with narcissistic people IRL.

You want to talk about TV? Does someone else want to talk about TV? Whoever brought up Starscream, do you really want to talk about TV shows on this site? There are shows about narcissism. There are shows with more narcissistic characters. There are shows with characters who personify real narcissism better. Like that bitch mom from Arrested Development, or whatshername from this video, the old hag of a mother. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Tg-OmOztM Starscream is a faggot who exists to suck and fail 99% of the time, just as the Decepticons exist to suck and fail and betray each other to make the heroes and their friendship and kindness look superior. Even though Optimus is kind of a bitch for letting his people die "nobly" instead of trying to make more of them like Negatron(At least I think that was the lore last time a gf candidate made me sit through a lore video). Loki is a better discussion topic for the pop-culture view of Narcissism as a trait intended to be "Endearing". Loki has the "Sanitized" pop-culture version of Narcissism where it serves as a character quirk rather than a character flaw. And isn't that a strange thing? Narcissism is something unhealthy. It's the sin of pride, really. And yet Hollywood loves to glamorize it as something the truly successful, stylish, cool characters are allowed to have because they've "earned" it.

There is also BBC's Sherlock, an obnoxious narcissistic prick who gets away with everything because he's a Gary Stu with bullshit Bat Deduction levels of "Intelligence", being an intelligent character written by retards who view "Intelligence" as something magical. If you want to talk about Narcissism In The Media, we can talk about it. Perhaps we could talk about it in a separate thread, specifically about Narcissism In The Media? I could rant about BBC's Shlock for hours, but I can't imagine anyone would want to see that here.
Anonymous
edd427e
?
No.5095
>>5093
I'm tired of that guy trying to drag me into shit-flinging contests too. Doesn't he have a job or life to get back to? And to think, he calls me the crazy one.
Anonymous
7f97143
?
No.5096
>>4763
>>Common phrases
>'I need you', 'I depend on you', 'I cant do this without you', etc., geared toward incrntivising, coercing, and guilt-tripping the targrt into compliance.
I've witnessed this in the behavior of people I've met who I anecdotally consider to have gone through narcissistic phases.
It's also a common behavior in domestic among abusers.
>>3957
The term "narcissist" might not be the best term, because it implies that the mentality is easily categorized. Narcissistic mindsets and behaviors can occur in varying degrees and for varying periods of time. There are people who behave narcissistic, people who do so chronically, and people who are painfully messed-up (this could be considered a narcissistic personality disorder). The problem with the term "narcissist" is that the concept of a negative label drives away the very people who need it the most to consider it for themselves.
Narcissist of any kind is a mental health struggle, and although any person can struggle with behaviors associated with narcissism, some struggle more than others.
The fact that you seem willing to ask it shows that you have the self-awareness to consider yourself one. In the end, the only person who can answer the question is you, through periods of self-reflection.
Instead of asking yourself if you are "a narcissist" consider asking yourself "How can I be less narcissistic?"
Anonymous
75263eb
?
No.5097
Starscream.jpg
>>5092
>I encourage everyone to marvel in that amalgamated phrase. I dont know, but it it is amazing.
You flatter me, it is simply my expression of interpretation.
>Meanwhile, reminder that this is the Narcissism thread, geared toward providing actionable information and material of/pertaining-to narcissists, and NOT trying to tag random cartoons with otherwise definitive
Of course this was never meant to be fixated solely on fictionalization of narcissism but instead the noticeable signs to look out for among everyday people that one may come across.
Anonymous
7f97143
?
No.5098
5100
>>5076
I don't really like using cartoons as examples of narcissists, because they're not really useful as examples, and it echoes reddit-tier Marvel/HP references in real life.
Especially Starstream, who is not only a non-human character, but a robot character who's inhuman mindset is an aspect of his concept. He is clearly meant to be narcissistic, but his narcissism isn't easily compared to real life people in any useful way.
Anonymous
75263eb
?
No.5100
File (hide): 5E37EF7AA655F5F864FE5D5FF7ED20CC-3421860.mp4 (3.3 MB, Resolution:320x240 Length:00:01:17, Transformers Megatron vs Starscream.mp4) [play once] [loop]
Transformers  Megatron vs Starscream.mp4
>>5098
>I don't really like using cartoons as examples of narcissists, because they're not really useful as examples, and it echoes reddit-tier Marvel/HP references in real life.
Suit yourself. In whatever manner the plebbit capeshit referencing has to do with this, it has no significance for it's mentioning because it is irrelevant to what is happening here.
>Especially Starstream, who is not only a non-human character, but a robot character who's inhuman mindset is an aspect of his concept.
Although it is very much akin to several other personas in the real word, like the other Transformers are characterized impersonations. This could go on and on yet it would invariably be a waste of time due to it's irrelevance to the baseline topic.
>He is clearly meant to be narcissistic, but his narcissism isn't easily compared to real life people in any useful way.
It boils down to whether someone can compare or not the similarities between fiction or reality in a useful manner to their own evaluation of other humans in a analytical way, not everyone can be easily deduced if their actions and words have not been thoroughly studied in retrospection.
Anonymous
3a81dae
?
No.5264
608413a237b17cae4f4e13f5191a969b.jpg
>Prof. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Heretic
>Can You Tell a Narcissist Just From His Eyebrows?
https://odysee.com/Can-You-Tell-a-Narcissist-Just-From-His-Eyebrows_:8
Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4klZQhWCmZdX/
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5268
https://youtube.com/shorts/5QgcKDSdLDI?feature=share
Short video on the overall method and interpersonal dynamic with a narcissist
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5277
5327 5352
sadwillsmithentanglement5.jpg
0c1426d952501e7d6ebfb398d8b8c1e9.jpg
The most glaring example of a narcissistic dynamic and how tox8c it can be that I could possibly ask for is the now-notorious scenario that culminatez with Will Smith bitch-slapping Chris Rock.
I'd like to say 'nuff said' since it would be preferable to going into detail about how this bitch is crazy and the real source for alot of the shit to do with the situation, but I will go deep into it if really desired. Theres just so much to cover, and yet I dont want to leave it at 'Iykyk'. I also dont want to have to go back and find all the memes and videos and photos which display the obvious (if youre looking) social, behavioral, body-language and facial tics, and other red flags/cues.
The sbort version is, she's a vulnerable narcissist in that relationship, which is only made worse by his overwhelming success. Im not calling him a victim, he made his bed and she slept with another man in it.
But you can see over-done gestures like pic 2, which can seem innocent enough by themselves but collectively paint a very predatory picture.
https://youtu.be/GNDel3YwsDk
Dont be Will Smith, they be hella Jada Pinkets out there.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5325
https://youtu.be/Efua__7B7j4
If anons are interested in authentic fictitious depictions of narcissism
Anonymous
90fadde
?
No.5327
5353
>>5277
If you were will smith how would you have handled the situation?
Anonymous
1e6200f
?
No.5352
>>5277
I think that whole situation is a shame. Guy gets in one little fight, and suddenly his wife is sending him off to live with his auntie and uncle in Bel Air.
Anonymous
eebbc50
?
No.5353
5354
>>5327
>what would you do if you were a multi millionaire hollywood celebrity
Nigel, please. We all know you love intellectually-masturbatory questions of 'what if'. Kindly keep your masturbation to yourself.
Anonymous
95d7e48
?
No.5354
5356
>>5353
Nigger
Anonymous
e481df8
?
No.5356
5357 5370
File (hide): AD17ED1742ACF0873CA3D769F4A69C17-2403632.mp4 (2.3 MB, Resolution:640x640 Length:00:00:12, AD17ED1742ACF0873CA3D769F4A69C17-2403632.mp4) [play once] [loop]
AD17ED1742ACF0873CA3D769F4A69C17-2403632.mp4
>>5354
You were all talking about glorified niggers acting like niggers anyways.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5357
5359
>>5356
>zero discernment
>cant see the narcissism, only sees the niggers
>mad about it
Some day, you will realize that the correct thing to do when you have nothing to say is to say nothing.
Anonymous
e481df8
?
No.5359
>>5357
>narcissism
Are these narcissists in the room with us right now?
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5360
5361
Wow, gaslighting in the Narcissism thread. How poetic
Anonymous
e481df8
?
No.5361
5370
revenant-5000x3872-doom-horror-310.jpg
>>5360
It's just me screwing around again, nothin' serious.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5362
5365
>Its just a joke bro
This pretense was covered in narcissism 101. The ahort version is, you're full of shit and dont know how to act, so you veil your shitty demeanor in 'excusable'/'nonchalant' pretense.
(You) should fuck off.
Anonymous
3a81dae
?
No.5363
5364 5365
pony - peace.jpg
Would the poners tone it down a bit.
OP
68c92ab
?
No.5364
>>5363
The topic hasnt changed, and neither will my posture. You intuit upset, where there is resolved opposition. The two are not the same.
Anonymous
e481df8
?
No.5365
5366
1627481612391.gif
>>5363
In any case, am neither noigel, nor transformerfag. If anything, this is a bit hilarious from my perspective.
>>5362
Whatever you want to believe mate. I get why you reacted that way, don't worry.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5366
5367
>>5365
>literally depicts narcissistic abuse in the literal narcissism thread
No one knows or cares who you are. If not for your posts, you wouldnt even register. Congrats, your only significance is shitposting on mlpol. Hope it was worth it.
Anonymous
e481df8
?
No.5367
5368
>>5366
You should calm down a bit. Others are trying to take advantage of my little push.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5368
5369
>>5367
>Calm down
Yet more gaslighting. I suppose I should thank you for providing organic examples of a narcissist making excuses for themself? Any more examples you wish to provide? Perhaps you'd like to emphatically profess how your posts are a contribution? Or maybe you'll opt to play the coquette? In any case, if your previous is anything to go off of then you wont be able to resist depicting precisely what this thread was intended to illustrate, so by all means continue.
Anonymous
e481df8
?
No.5369
5370 5373
1555971489114.jpg
>>5368
Literally backing you up over there, but alright.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5370
5373
>>5369
Which one is backing me up? Is it this one?
>>5356
Maybe its this one?
>>5361
Or maybe you're the type pf fuck who backhands people and pretends its fond and appreciative?
Again, please keep posting. I tire of having to provide examples all on my own.
Anonymous
3f524cd
?
No.5371
5372
This thread was cool until all of the shit flinging started.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5372
>>5371
Funny how that happens
Anonymous
e481df8
?
No.5373
5374
1556285362059.gif
>>5370
I might have refrained from further postin' if you hadn't reacted like a buffoon.
Also, I meant the pub's boogaloo thread here. >>5369
It might be hard to believe, but am not enjoying this. Please, it's time for you to reconsider.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5374
5375
xxSNdCljLLx3_640x360.jpg
>>5373
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5375
>>5374
Shitposting aside, spare yourself; I reiterate the irony of engaging in narcissistic behavior - both attacks and rationalizations - in the narcissism thread.
https://youtu.be/BVHWTpi3c_I
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5376
Screenshot_20220425-034949_DuckDuckGo.jpg
Screenshot_20220425-035055_DuckDuckGo.jpg
When people hear the word 'Narcissism', they often misconstrue it with Vainglory and Megalomania (technically synonymous). Media has done little service in promulgating this false perception, most notably through otherwise fictional depictions in TV and Movies.
Narcissism is not about vanity, though thats not to say that a narcissist can't be vain. It is about a mental predisposition toward the individual's desires and motivations, and the will to manipulate, coerce, and control others to fit their preference or agenda. For a narcissist, there is no question in their mind that they are correct in/for doing whatever they have convinced themself they are entitled to. Excepting in the case of a grandiose narcissist, most examples don't involve fawning over themselves and emphasizing their accomplishments, and as such a large percent of the population can't recognize narcissism for what it really is.
It really goes all the way back to the naming of the Narcissus flower; ostensibly named after a mythological character who fell in love with his own reflection and died gazing at it.
This story brings to mind the idea of an absolute love/fascination/fixation with one's self. And this is true for a clinical narcissist, but a bit of word parsing is necessary to get the right idea.
The self-love of both the Narcissist and the namesake is not amorous and idealized, its possessive and controlling.
Narcissus couldnt leave his reflection, not because he was in awe of his own beauty, but because in his self obsession he would not permit his own visage to leave his gaze.
The narcissism is not manifest in adoration, but in injurious control, even at the cost of his own life.
For this reason, a significant percent of people dont know they are dealing with a narcissist and not seeing their behavior as vanglorious, many narcissists can easily and readily rationalize their behavior as anything but what it actually is.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5393
https://youtu.be/6B0tAn0nrJY
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5412
https://youtu.be/8kE1pe-E8WM
A particularly insightful video, though I'd say that about most videos ITT
Anonymous
3a81dae
?
No.5462
5465 5491
manipulators hate boundaries.png

Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5465
>>5462
So very, very this. Ive lost count of the number of times an active/potential abuser denounced me as being 'autistic', 'driven' (in an unhealthy context), 'fixated', 'obsessed', or any number of terms/phrases that at the end of the day amount/result to/of holding them accountable for their words and actions.
You know you're 0ver the target when you start taking flak.
Anonymous
68c92ab
?
No.5489
Enders+Game+2013+Full+Movie+Hindi-English+Direct+Download+5.png
enders-game.jpg
>Ender's Game
As much as can be said of narcissism, in preparation/response for them, many things can be said of their utility.
Conditioning of/by a malevolent narcissist can be the most elite training one can experience.
Peter was a narcissist. This plays out more in the books than the movie, but take my word for it.
And Ender. Ender is insurmountable, because he was subject to a narcissist during his formative years.
Anonymous
486da10
?
No.5491
>>5462
Damn straight!