/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>no text, literature, arguments, links or relevant pictures
At least give us some material to work with. Een the 4/pol/ commie threads try harder.

This is now a Veronika thread.

>>320977
Do you at least hate Jews?

>>320977
Let's talk about the >190,000,000 million human lives erased by judeo-marxism, judeo-communism, and judeo-soycialism. How about Operation Keelhaul where >5,000,000 "UNPATRIOTIC (((RESIDENTS))) MUST BE RETURNED TO DURR GLOOREEEEUS SOYVIET SOYCIALISMS OR ELSE DA WURLD WIL KNO DA PAIN"? Why not talk about Operation Paperclip which started in 1940 when the judeo-communist, or """bolshevik""" leaders, (((accepted))) a certain britmutt & americuck backed Lend-Lease program, thanks to Winston CUCKshill the literal gay pedophile, which, while HILARIOUSLY illegal for any other country to do since arms trafficking to any side of a war they are not involved in is treachery, the judeo-communist (((leaders))) eagerly wet themselves over to accept? How about those 5 years of Operation Highway Construction where the britcucks and amerimutts "accepted" >500,000 Italian, German, and other 'Axis-uv-EEEEEEEEEBIIIILLLLLL' slaves captured by judeo-whataboutist forces to work on Europoor infrastructure only to be beaten & starved to death by 1948ACE? Then we can have a discussion on why >97% of all judeo-marxist/communist/soycialist leaders are jews. Oh, there's also that LAVON AFFAIR when RUSSIAN JEWS in 1953ACE throughout the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT "gracefully granted" around 50,000,000 US petroshekels so that dual-citizenship jews could BOMB hospitals, infrastructure, schools, and necessary industries throughout the US.. remind me how that one went, again?

The ball was never in (your) court. You were simply told that it was, that it was yours, and that you owned it. All without coming up with the idea, prototyping it, testing it, and producing it. How is the whole situation in Russia working out since Putin has his >400 billion US petroshekel palace on the Black Sea? Why are the Russian people are even more oppressed than they were under Lenin? How come tax rates are getting bumped higher due to regressive pro-jew policies when jews make up less than 0.5% of Russia? Why do most of the former ComBloc countries absolutely DESPISE everything to do with judeo-whataboutism?

-9/11 shitty thread, not even worth mareposting for. Still made me laugh at how cucked and fucked judeo-marxists/communists/soycialists are though.

In Equestria, you can always find a party.
In Soviet Ponyland, the Party always finds YOU!

>>320977
>Communism will rise again, lads!
And fail again.

>>320985
Yeah, remember that communism strives for the end of capitalism, that would mean communism is anti-Jew, also we are anti-Israel too...

>>321110
Well, we can at-least agree on that.
Socialism was developed as a critique of capitalism, communism was developed as an extreme form of socialism, and fascism/natsoc was developed in response to the spread of communism.
Both Fascists and National Socialists agree that completely-unfettered capitalism is unhealthy for a nation because it enables (((certain parties))) who control industrial firms to amass power and wealth at the expense of the countrymen that they should be serving. Whereas communists seek to solve this problem by abolishing private firms entirely, fascists, and later National Socialists, proposed a different strategy in which private enterprise is permitted but still made to conform with it's obligations to a nation through strong nationalism and a government that has the teeth to stomp out bastards if they dare to emerge. The logic to that is that private firms can run industry more efficient than a government can (the government more suited to pro-nationalist and military sectors), and that good citizens of a nation should be allowed to make money if it builds the economy and enriches their countrymen.
And while Fascists and National Socialists may have emerged as a dominant power in the 20th century in part to prevent the spread communism, they still in a sense agree that the capitalist system at the time which was considered detrimental to national sovereignty wasn't the best option, which is why they presented themselves as the third option between capitalism and communism.

>>321110
At least you hate Jews, just don't let another Trotsky happen.

>>320979
Yeah you post it by yourself! I encourage you guys to post anything commie here

two weeks

>>321004
>getting triggered this hard by a single word
kek

>>321271
He's a schizo.

>>320977
>german
>commie
the rape of berlin at the hand of the russians really left you longing for more, didn't it?...

>>321275
Kek.

the embyro of the value form will always recreate production for exchange if we do not end it once and for all - this is why nothing but full communism shall succeed, comrades. no mutualist or syndicalist shills allowed.

>>320985
Jewish people are lovely - you'd be hard pressed to find a nicer group of people.

>>321004
the number fucking doubles every time i see it lmao

>>321414
Nice joke

>>321433
what's there to joke about? all your conspiracy memes aside, once you actually speak to people of the jewish faith they're the nicest people there is - the polar opposite, might I add, of the Scots, who do not deserve life.

>>321435
>This person has a different personal experience, therefore they haven't had any personal experience
I've met plenty of Jews, all of them are selfish, egotistical sociopaths with no moral compass and a guilt complex that puts nigs to shame. Try again.

>>321436
>I've met plenty of Jews, all of them are selfish, egotistical sociopaths with no moral compass and a guilt complex that puts ***s to shame.
well, you just described White Americans, so I think I see your problem there bud. also African-Americans are not egotistical and, unlike whites, have an existing and intact moral compass.

>321474
>Jews are good
>Blacks are good
>Whites are evil
I see now, you're being paid to post here. Removing your (you)

>African-Americans [...] have an existing and intact moral compass
Niggle me this Batman. What accounts for 15% and yet accounts for more than half?
Oh sorry, didnt want to disrupt your spiel about blacks and moral compasses.
Seriously, how hard does one have to shill before staff actually enforces the no shilling policy?
inb4 its one of staff trying to artificially stimulate the post numbers

>>321504
hey, if you could make money doing this, you'd do it too!
>>321505
>****le me this Batman. What accounts for 15% and yet accounts for more than half?
the city of Hull, UK, nearly all white but contributes more crime than any other single city in the country.
>Oh sorry, didnt want to disrupt your spiel about blacks and moral compasses.
>kill all of a race because the FBI forged statistics about them making more harmless drugs than other people
oh apologies, clearly you're the moral superior here.
>Seriously, how hard does one have to shill before staff actually enforces the no shilling policy?
I could go screenshot my cheque if it helps :^)

>>321703
>Hull, UK
citation needed, especially in lieu of the fact that UK authorities have been underreporting 'minoroty' crime for over a decade now, so as 'not to appear racist'. Meanwhile, outside this specific city and over into the US, we have national FBI crime statistics. I know you'll pretend not to notoce this part, but while accounting for 15% of the overall US population, black acount for more than 50% of violent crime.
But again, you were talking about blacks and their mpral compass. Do go on.

>>321703
>the city of Hull, UK, nearly all white but contributes more crime than any other single city in the country.
>in the country
Why you hate White people? Wouldn't be better for you to move to London?
You sound like a cosmopolitan internationalist to me.

>>320977
post nose mosheberg

>>321709
> especially in lieu of the fact that UK authorities have been underreporting 'minoroty' crime for over a decade now, so as 'not to appear racist'.
oh, the Rotherham case? that was clearly an excuse, since the reports they ignored were mostly from Muslims in the area. far from being politically correct, they were themselves racist, and this led to the crimes being allowed to be committed.
> Meanwhile, outside this specific city and over into the US, we have national FBI crime statistics.
convicted crimes. plus don't forget that the vast majority of self-defence cases aren't recorded - yeah that's right, for whites it;s self-defence, for blacks it's MURDER MURDER MURDER REEEEEE WAAAAAA WHYYYYY.
> I know you'll pretend not to notoce this part, but while accounting for 15% of the overall US population, black acount for more than 50% of violent crime.
no shit sherlock, firstly it's federal rather than state, and secondly it's convictions and not found to be self-defence by officers at the scene. we already know that blacks are convicted even in samples of purely innocent cases something like 20 times as much as whites, so it's not at all surprising that a white supremacist system would pin 50% of violent crime on blacks.
>But again, you were talking about blacks and their mpral compass. Do go on.
they commit less crime than America in almost every other country - for example, Ghana and Tunisia have lower crime rates than NORWAY, which as you can imagine has much lower crime rates than Britain and America. and given how much less biased British police are, as well as not being split between federal and state, and AS WELL AS not fucking onl;y recording convictions lmao - which suggests British statistics are an order of magnitude more accurate, and whaddya know! they show that whites commit the vast, VAST majority of crime. so yes, the trend of whites being mass criminals, as we can see from the history of colonialism, has continued to the current day. "muh master race!!" - t. worst race on the planet.
>>321723
>Why you hate White people?
because they're the only ones who have committed crimes against me, and they've commited QUITE A FEW. suffice it to say my personal experience doesn't match your kind's claims.
> Wouldn't be better for you to move to London?
I understand why an American might not understand this, but London is too expensive for almost anybody to live in. Only Hong Kong and Taiwan and such places are worse for property prices.
>You sound like a cosmopolitan internationalist to me.
I flip-flop between Anarchism and Communism. I adore the biting words of Bob Black, but the towering logic of Amadeo Bordiga is similarly attractive. Ultimately I'd like to develop a theory that fuses the two - Post-Left LeftCommunism, if you will. Or perhaps Ego-Left-Communism, Stirner's a blast too. Anarcho-Communism is fine, but traditional theory in that area doesn't go far enough imo, so...
>>321732
that image gave me fucking cancer lmao. no, Marxism specifically says not to hate the man who is better off than you - that's what we'd call Utopian, or non-scientific Socialism. basically, if you reduce Capitalism down to "WAAAA bad rich people!!!", you imply that were all rich people nice, Capitalism would be perfect. but it's a SYSTEMATIC issue, this means that even if everyone was perfect, the problems of Capitalism would persist. it's the SYSTEM, not the PEOPLE. so this stupid uneducated prick in the quote is more discussing people like Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Charles Fourier.

>>324199
>far from being politically correct, they were themselves racist, and this led to the crimes being allowed to be committed
Lying marxist jew, "Political correctness" is a marxist invention and communism/marxism/socialism/call-it-what-you-like is a jewish invention.
When a muslim man rapes a white woman, it's factual to say that's what happened and "politically correct" to aid and abet the jews by refusing to report/investigate it.
Communism is the myth that if jews are given power they'll create utopia, and any superior capitalist society must be inherently exploitative because not everyone gets to sit at the top of it.
Communism must be treated as a mental disorder before that infection takes hold of governments and puts innocents in gulags.
You can tell jews are the inventors of communism because communists are almost as pathetic, whiny, dishonest, cruel, abusive, and parasitic as jews.

>>324199
>clearly
In what way was that 'clearly' an 'excuse'? And in what way does data suggest that Rotherham was an isolated incident. I dont mean isolated as in 'there were other rape gangs' (there could have, there could not have, I honestly dont know and would not conclude either way). But what data tdo you have to suggest that there is 'accurate' reporting on minoriry crime 'now'?
>for whites its self defense, for blacks its murder
Citation needed
>black crime 'statistics'
Citation needed
>european statistics
Citation needed
Youve asserted a whole lot, with fuck-all to show for it. If you are going to try to refute fbi crime statistics with rhetoric, I hope you have the sauce to back it up.

>>324216
Maybe if the jew had to change IP every time he got BTFO'd, he'd put more effort into this?

>>324199
It's like this jew doesn't even remember "Justice for Trayvon".
Remember when a nigger attacked an elderly white man and shoved him to the ground, only to get shot because it was a Stand Your Ground state?
Niggers (funded and trained by jews) cried and "protested" and demanded "justice".
WAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAGH goes the orc.
That nigger got the justice he deserved, just like George Floyd. One less nigger running around stinking the planet up is a good thing, whether it's in the Congo or America.

>>324202
> "Political correctness" is a marxist invention
no it's not. even if it was invented in the USSR as you claim, it'd be a Leninist invention.
>and communism/marxism/socialism/call-it-what-you-like is a jewish invention.
>whatever I don't like is jooz
>When a muslim man rapes a white woman, it's factual to say that's what happened and "politically correct" to aid and abet the jews by refusing to report/investigate it.
they refused to report or investigate it specifically because they did not trust Muslim tips, that was racist.
>Communism is the myth that if jews are given power they'll create utopia
if it's a myth then it's believed as told, and believe it or not Jewish people in particular being "given power" is not written down or advocated by any Communist (/socialist/whatever, as you would put it)
>and any superior capitalist society must be inherently exploitative because not everyone gets to sit at the top of it.
actually the superior capitalist society is the precursor to communism - Marxist-Leninists are unread idiots who are, in reality, neither Marxist or Leninist as it was consistently maintained by both that a feudal society does not, will not and cannot advance straight to a Communist one. NO THIS DOES NOT MEAN "LE SOCIALISM FIRST", it means CAPITALISM first, as in, the USSR by Lenin's own admission was built specifically to develop Capitalism in Russia and surrounding territories, merely accelerating it's process so as to prepare the capitalist development for Communism. so in this sense, the Superior Capitalist Societies you discuss REALLY ARE superior, insofar as their social aspects and productive forces are far closer to Communism than any Marxist-Leninist state ever was.
>Communism must be treated as a mental disorder before that infection takes hold of governments and puts innocents in gulags.
the only revolution Marx ever himself directly sanctioned was the Paris Commune, which had no gulags, and it's closest successors are really more in the vein of Rojava and Chiapas than any Marxist-Leninist current, and they too do not use gulags. Gulags are mass prisons, which is endemic to the social relations of capitalism, which is why the purposefully capitalist regimes of Marxism-Leninism had gulags.
>You can tell jews are the inventors of communism because communists are almost as pathetic, whiny, dishonest, cruel, abusive, and parasitic as jews.
I've never met people more pathetic, whiny, dishonest, cruel and abusive as Englishmen, so our personal experiences clearly differ there.
>>324214
>In what way was that 'clearly' an 'excuse'?
because they were covering up for having deliberately ignored reports JUST because those reporting the rapes were Muslim.
>And in what way does data suggest that Rotherham was an isolated incident.
it's not an isolated incident at all - British police systematically and deliberately ignore giving service to Muslim communities, that is why worse crimes go on there and go uninvestigated.
>for whites its self defense, for blacks its murder Citation needed
https://youtu.be/PE84fH_Pc9c
34:00 onwards
>black crime citation needed
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/JonTron
>european statistics citation needed
it's just national crime statistics, unlike the US Europe actually centralizes it's crime statistics, rather than splitting them up by branch of government and state.
>Youve asserted a whole lot, with fuck-all to show for it.
extraordinary claims and russel's teapot.
> If you are going to try to refute fbi crime statistics with rhetoric
but YOU GUYS do this, ALL the time! if I were arguing as if I were one of you, I'd simply go
>(((FBI)))
and leave it at that. not all of you, but a lot of you, would quickly flap about in panic trying to prove why DA JOOZ aren't doing tricks just this one time for some reason.
>>324216
according to you I'm BTFO by mere fact of existing as a Leftist, so the argument is kind of inconsequential.
>>324220
>Remember when a person of African descent attacked an elderly white man
where we differ on this is not that I don't think that crime he committed was wrong, it's that I don't believe he deserved the death penalty for it.
>Persons of African descent (funded and trained by jews) cried and "protested" and demanded "justice".
"justice" means nothing to a Brit, lmao. that Old Bailey ceased to stand for anything the instant the colonial genocides began. even slavery was somewhat excusable, given that it was illegal on English soil ("hurr durr jooz did slavez", that's never been the fucking issue, the issue is that it was legal for them to do it, and THAT'S what the charge laid against white people is in regards to slavery. the fucking martians could have manned the ships as far as I'm concerned, under a profit system any legal outlet for business can and will be exploited no matter what. the fault lies with the outlet, not the people who are naturally incentivized to take advantage of it)

>324199
>324227
'Living' proof communists lack brain power and try to make that up with word vomit.
>according to you I'm BTFO by mere fact of existing as a Leftist,
No you're BTFO because you are a brainlet and because of that leads you to be a Leftist.
>>black crime citation needed
>https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/JonTron
Explain the correlation you attempted.
>but YOU GUYS do this, ALL the time! if I were arguing as if I were one of you, I'd simply go
>>(((FBI)))
>and leave it at that. not all of you, but a lot of you, would quickly flap about in panic trying to prove why DA JOOZ aren't doing tricks just this one time for some reason.
Prove that assertion. Since you claim "we do it all the time" it'll be easy peasy for you to come up with a multitude of true accurate examples.
>the fault lies with the outlet, not the people who are naturally incentivized to take advantage of it
I'll remember that. I'll keep it near to remember the depth of retardation as you'll inevitably protest that claim you've made when it's inconvenient.

>>324247
RationalWiki is gay
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gamergate
The Gamergate articles at RationalWiki Asylum are being obsessively curated by patient Ryulong, the disgraced editor who got himself site banned from Wikipedia for his behavior regarding Gamergate. His obsession would not be quashed so easily, and he migrated to RationalWiki, at times putting in 10~ hour days furiously working on Gamergate articles. He would defend this clearly asinine behavior by naively admitting he thought someone might want to hire him, and that his social life was dead anyway.

It didn't take long before he was pissing off the RationalWiki regulars, repeatedly, but the limp-wristed loons of the Asylum decided they'd rather deal with Ryulong's bullshit and defend him instead of letting "Gamergate" win.

Ryulong banned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate#Ryulong_banned
https://i.imgur.com/AOPH5ZN.png
https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Ryulong&offset=&limit=500&target=Ryulong

>>324199
>convicted crimes.
>it's federal rather than state
The FBI collects its statistics from the UCR (Uniform Crime Reporting) Program, which is based on incidents known to police, either through civilian reporting or police investigation. It is not related to convictions and is not limited to just Federal offences. Incidents determined to be self-defense on-scene is a fair point, if you have any statistics gathered on that topic I'd like to see it. You can read the UCR Handbook here: https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/handbook/ucrhandbook04.pdf

>which suggests British statistics are an order of magnitude more accurate, and whaddya know! they show that whites commit the vast, VAST majority of crime.
I wasn't able to find stats the offender's race for violent crime, only victims', does anyone have a link to those? Asians and Blacks are disproportionately victims of crimes with a weapon, which makes sense to me since most violent crime in the United States is intraracial rather than interracial.

>>324220
>calls out the jew for trying to harp on Trayvon Martin
>>324227
>literally cites Trayvon Martin
Pottery

>>324247
>No you're BTFO because you are a brainlet and because of that leads you to be a Leftist.
same conclusion, so what's the actual difference in stating it longform?
>Explain the correlation you attempted.
JonTron stated that crime rates were consistent across Africa. in their refutation of this claim, they cite the statistics that I remember, which is of a couple of African countries having such significantly lower crime rates that they were more peaceful even than Norway. they cite all the claims in the section too. furthermore, note that some of the highest crime rates in Africa are in South Africa - the place with the most whites :^)
>Prove that assertion. Since you claim "we do it all the time" it'll be easy peasy for you to come up with a multitude of true accurate examples.
I'd need to fake being one of you again, and most of you are already onto me. I could go searching on /pol/ archives, but that would be unfair. regardless, I don't think it's unfair to say that at this stage in your "redpilling", if you find a Jewish person working in the upper management of any given organization, you automatically assume it to be under the control of a nebulous mysterious group to which said Jewish person belongs.
>>324254
>RationalWiki is gay
metawiki's worse.
>The Gamergate articles at RationalWiki Asylum are being obsessively curated by patient Ryulong, the disgraced editor who got himself site banned from Wikipedia for his behavior regarding Gamergate. His obsession would not be quashed so easily, and he migrated to RationalWiki, at times putting in 10~ hour days furiously working on Gamergate articles. He would defend this clearly asinine behavior by naively admitting he thought someone might want to hire him, and that his social life was dead anyway.
he sounds based honestly. I hope I can be as good as him one day.
>>324257
> It is not related to convictions and is not limited to just Federal offences.
fair play.
>Incidents determined to be self-defense on-scene is a fair point, if you have any statistics gathered on that topic I'd like to see it.
sadly the Feds deliberately don't collect reliable statistics on that - if they did, we could easily point to number of self-defence cases vs number of violent crime cases whenever the anti-gun lobby comes knocking. but since the statistics on it aren't properly recorded, it makes it very hard to prove that guns prevent probably at least as many crimes if not more than they cause.
>I wasn't able to find stats the offender's race for violent crime
https://veteranshelpnet.com/zwgf/uk-violent-crime-convictions-by-ethnicity
"There are a lot of different official statistics on ethnicity and crime, reflecting the different stages of the criminalisation process: Of the 6,200 or so defendants in these prosecutions, 67% were white, 4% were Asian, 3% were black, 1% were mixed race and 1% were other."
>>324259
>calls out the jew for trying to harp on Trayvon Martin
>literally cites Trayvon Martin
when we're talking about the way black crime is treated vs the way white crime is treated, ultimately one does have to use popular examples, since these are the most discussed. so in the citation I made, it's pointed out that in a similar case, but involving a white man, the same people who condemned Trayvon praised said white man. the implication being that had Trayvon been white, you would not have cared. honestly I can see it now - since Zimmerman was hispanic, you'd all be celebrating how the Huwite Warrior tried to remove le evil mexican.

>>324305
>pic
>tankie
Honestly, you are posting in the wrong board faggot.

>>324305
>if you find a Jewish person working in the upper management of any given organization, you automatically assume it to be under the control of a nebulous mysterious group to which said Jewish person belongs.
It is not nebulous at all. Jews position themselves at the upper echelons. It is called influence-traffiking, also organized Jewry.

>>324305
>https://veteranshelpnet.com/zwgf/uk-violent-crime-convictions-by-ethnicity
>"There are a lot of different official statistics on ethnicity and crime, reflecting the different stages of the criminalisation process: Of the 6,200 or so defendants in these prosecutions, 67% were white, 4% were Asian, 3% were black, 1% were mixed race and 1% were other."
That text definitely appears on the page, but I'm not sure exactly what that is supposed to mean. The surrounding text doesn't exactly clarify what charges the 6,200 defendants were charged with, the time period in which they were charged, how these cases were chosen, or what category the 24% of defendants that were not White, Asian, Black, mixed or other fell into. I'd guess that the page just isn't rendering properly for some reason, but I'm seeing what looks like a bunch of sentences with no real continuity in both my PC and mobile browsers.

>>324309
>pic
>tankie
>Honestly, you are posting in the wrong board faggot.
I think you misunderstand it, Pannekoek is anti-tankie.
>>324310
>It is not nebulous at all.
you see? you're making the point I said you would make. if I claim the FBI is Jewish, I can put any aspect of it into doubt for some /pol/-types.
>>324318
>or what category the 24% of defendants
some defendants have their identity protected because were their crimes to be a matter of public record, it would harm their chances of future employments.
> I'd guess that the page just isn't rendering properly for some reason
it's the only online textdump of the study I had to hand that I could find, sorry.

>>324323
>why ameri flag
forgot to turn vpn off, I need it on to US to watch John Oliver, it's blocked for UK for the first few days.

It's wierd that commies always defend jewry. Like, they do realize they can admit that Jews run the world AND be commies.

Anyway, it's hard to deal with this sort of jews-don't-run-the-world-talk because it's hard to know where to start. Every individual example can be rationalized by these people but that's because they are never really honest in their assessment. The voluminous facts that all point to the conclusion that jews run the world is brushed aside with silly excuses. Why though? Wouldn't an open-minded individual say something like this, "Yes, but that's not proof of it, however, I agree that's suspicious." Especially, considering how ridiculouly many reasons there is to believe.
The reality we have to arrive at is that they are never serious people at all. They would not be agressive to begin with since there's no need and statements like, "It's obviously," would not be anywhere in their speech yet it almost always is.

This, if you think about it, makes it even more suspicious. Not even among a group that claims to fight against the elite can you oppose the jews. Not even talk about how these group might be working together through some nationalistic princple and this comes from people who immdieately go for the conspiracy theory when it comes to whites and white nationalism.

What I'm saying is what we already know, jews created communism and run it. It's a form of controlled opposition.

>>324328
>Like, they do realize they can admit that Jews run the world AND be commies.
It's suppose to be a question.

>>324305
>tries to conflate Trayvon Martin - a dumbass nigger who attacked an armed hispanic (who was rightly acquitted) and got his ass killed - with a culture wherein self defense involves differing outcomes based on race
You're new to this whole 'citations that prove an argument (or even relates) thing arent you?
>>324325
You watching the Jaymee Oliwer? Haiyaa, his food look like sad

>>324328
> Every individual example can be rationalized by these people but that's because they are never really honest in their assessment. The voluminous facts that all point to the conclusion that jews run the world is brushed aside with silly excuses. Why though? Wouldn't an open-minded individual say something like this, "Yes, but that's not proof of it, however, I agree that's suspicious."
that's fair to say. it's certainly true that Jewish people hold a disproportionate amount of power, wealth and influence, even more so than white people. what I think is silly is when the conclusion drawn from this is that therefore, Jews must all be in cahoots. While I certainly have no doubt that there is a level of in-group preference, and there have been religious commandments such as to only lend with interest to non-Jews, this alone cannot explain their massive success (which of course is why the cabal reasoning is typically entered into). The cabal idea especially doesn't ring true to me because of the existence of different groups of jews, and of the existence of homeless or poor jews, suggesting something more complex and inhuman than a secret plot. I think the explanation is, in reality, generational wealth: in the context of feudal europe, jews were far more powerful in a natural economic sense than today given their common language and common contacts all across europe that gave them an edge compared to non-jews, as did their being unbound by the sin of "usury", and so they encountered massive success in that context, and due to the nature of generational wealth, their direct sires today have been able to get headstarts, allowing them to generate further success. however, to acknowledge the role of generational wealth would be to acknowledge it's role in continuing white success too, and it would damn the white american actions against reconstruction-era blacks (consider that at least 2/3rds of black elected representatives and landowners in America were during this period of reconstruction - the confiscated wealth is also generational. blacks were very much set up to fail), so I imagine that is why the idea of a "secret cabal" is resorted to. just as whites are not intentionally privileged, I maintain the same goes for jewish privilege.
>Not even among a group that claims to fight against the elite can you oppose the jews.
what about israel? anti-israelis are often called antisemites despite being typically leftist. when Corbyn's lot went too far to the left for the establishment's taste, they too were dismissed as being antisemitic. even if you regarded these as being totally trumped-up claims, there is some basis somewhere in it at least, given that these matters have been under legal consideration several times.
>What I'm saying is what we already know, jews created communism and run it. It's a form of controlled opposition.
even assuming that's true, different sects of communism are blood enemies. after Marx's death, there was the Kautsky-Bernstein split (orthodoxy vs democracy), then the Lenin-Luxemburg split (vanguard vs democracy), then the Trotsky-Stalin split (revolution vs nationalism), Brezhnev-Mao (actually existing socialism vs peasant's socialism), then the Titoists and the anarchists(who split even during Marx's lifetime) - it goes on and on and on.
the first and foremost claim you usually make is that Marx was Jewish, therefore so was Communism. but if this is the case, then logically wouldn't you regard Communism as being more or less Jewish depending on it's proximity or distance from Orthodox Marxism? but you don't, it's all one big happy family blob in your eyes even as actual wars are fought between the sects within Marxism. and before you give me some NWO spiel about "socialism for the masses, capitalism for the elites", I'd like to point out that Israel began led by the Labour Party with widespread Kibbutzes and an essentially socialist mode of production for the first few decades of it's existence, which makes it seem like the Jews are perfectly willing and happy to have socialism for themselves too. and it gets even more radical with the Bundists (pro-diaspora socialist jews, that is, anti-zionist because they felt that nationalism would corrupt the jewish spirit into becoming more right wing. and it seems they were correct to look at israel today) or even the pre-zionist Jews, who were by and large Anarchists, typically leaning toward Social or Communist trends. the point of bringing up Jewish Anarchism is also here to refute this idea that Leninism followed by Stalinism (doctor's plot notwithstanding, for whatever weird reasons you have) were somehow especially Jewish tendencies within Leftism (when really it was probably the least Jewish tendency you could find). here's just a TINY collection of Jewish Anarchists, just to get your trend-finding noggin going:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Yanovsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Edelstadt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_J._Cohen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillel_Solotaroff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Lewis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Katz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Berkman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Goodman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Landauer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Graeber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba_Gordin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Fromm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ellul
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankev-Meyer_Zalkind
and that's not even mentioning virulently anti-Stalinist Jewish celebrities like Chomsky, Trotsky and Bookchin. Stalin killed hundreds of thousands of Jews and is universally condemned by Jews, and yet still he is somehow pro-Jewish.
>>324331
>You're new to this whole 'citations that prove an argument (or even relates) thing arent you?
I was originally referring to public perceptions of criminality - one seen as self-defence, the other as murder.
>Jaymee
no, JOHN oliver

>>324334
r>ead the first little bit of what you wrote
>tl;dr
>has a bunch of wikipedia links at bottom for references
yep, its a faggot

>>324334
If you've noticed how many Jews (tiny fraction of the population) wield a disproportionate amount of power, have you noticed how they use that power for the advancement of jews while oppressing whites?
Nobody's fighting to force Africans into the Middle East or Indians into the Congo to make these places more "diverse". That's the White Man's Burden, for some reason: to feed and babysit niggers insufficiently evolved to handle the responsibilities of taking part in a civilized nation.

>>324334
>These jewish groups have supposed conflicts among each other.
Yes and no but what is important to note is that they will join forces against what they, in their paranoia, considers to be outside enemies and that they all work towards the same goal: White genocide.
The right-wing and the left-wing are concepts that exist across all western countries, because that's what is normal and expected right? But is it? Is this really how things would naturally develop? Conservatives combined with capitalism vs wellfare-state ideals combined with cultural progressivism? It's fucking stupid and a charade. It's clearly artifically made. But it's good to note that the left and the right parties all want immigration.

I feel like I'm getting of topic but I don't wanna erase what I wrote, essentially this idea that, "Look! There are jews on both sides of this conflict therefore they can't be on the same side," is silly. This is a trick they have been doing many times before. They own the theater and the actors just play their part, that's all.

There's also the idea that jews have gotten to their position because money gave them merits that you seem to propose. This doesn't explain the ridiculous overrepresentaion of 3% of the american population, especially since even laymen can see that the jews in Hollywood don't have those merits.
But sure, they obviously use their wealth to their own benefit but it's also obvious that they feel national belonging as everyone else but compared to us they don't have some shlomo to tell them that their natural instincts of kinship is evil.

>>324337
>has a bunch of wikipedia links at bottom for references
>yep, its a faggot
faggotry aside, the wikipedia links are more rhetorical than referential. here is the context:
> the point of bringing up Jewish Anarchism is also here to refute this idea that Leninism followed by Stalinism (doctor's plot notwithstanding, for whatever weird reasons you have) were somehow especially Jewish tendencies within Leftism (when really it was probably the least Jewish tendency you could find). here's just a TINY collection of Jewish Anarchists
>>324344
> have you noticed how they use that power for the advancement of jews while oppressing whites?
not really. I mean, yes, they do, but not exclusively, and no moreso than rich whites do. homeless Jews aren't doing anything to oppress whites, it's a class division rather than a racial division.
>Nobody's fighting to force Africans into the Middle East or Indians into the Congo to make these places more "diverse".
because those places are roughly equal in terms of economic development. in those places there is an oversupply of unskilled labor, and a massive demand for skilled labor, which is the result of Capitalist Globalization: that is, not just specializing sectors of the workforce in one country, but globally too. so all they'd have to exchange is unskilled for unskilled labor - so it's more mutually beneficial in a capitalist exchange sense to have immigration to and from the west.
> That's the White Man's Burden, for some reason: to feed and babysit people of African Descent insufficiently educated and socialized to handle fully taking part in a more advanced mode of production.
The reason is that immigrants are in a more precarious position, as well as naturally isolated from the native population through language and the hatred the natives have toward them, which results in a lack of shop-floor militancy among them or capability to organize. it's a method of creating an atomized workforce incapable of standing up to the ruling class - whether or not you like them being here, attacking them instead of joining with them against the ruling class that has tyranically trodden all over the two of you is simply strategically unwise. even if we take a full-on hyper-KKK fascist mentality, I do not understand why you would not use every single person and group potentially at your disposal, even if you intend to backstab them later - indeed, especially if you intend to backstab them later.

>>324350
Tell me you actually know the truth about the KKK. It'll help you break the bad habit of using their existence as an antiwhite slur for any uppity whitey who wants a future for himself and his people.
http://hatefacts.subvert.pw/hub.html
Facts don't support the liberal dogma forced down our throats. People are not equal. Races are not equal. Attempts to force equality onto us hurt us. Look at "Affirmative Action" policies... to increase the number of black jobs in the world, it's not enough that white men aren't legally permitted to only hire other white men. No, there has to be more force involved to equalize unequal groups with unequal capabilities. Robbing opportunities from white men in their own homes and giving them away to blacks, arabs, treasonous white women solely for not being white men... how is that fair to white men? If you needed a doctor to save your life, would you want the best doctor who applied for the job or the blackest?

>>324323
I managed to track the 6,200 defendants back to https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/
Full Fact claims the statistics are the response to a FOIA request by them to the Crown Prosecution Service regarding prosecutions for child sex acts ( https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/cps_vawg_report_2016.pdf#page=75 ). I haven't found any public record of the FOIA request, but I don't doubt that CPS sent them the stats under FOIA. If anyone more familiar with such things can find the FOIA and response, I'd appreciate a link.
>Update 22 October 2018
>
>We’ve updated this article to include new information received from the CPS through a Freedom of Information request submitted by Full Fact. We have also replaced some links to the CEOP reports, which had become broken since the article was published.

The article indicates that the missing 24% was due to faulty information gathering methodology.
>The information on defendant’s ethnicity came from information given by the defendants to police, the CPS told us that “It follows that there may be errors or omissions at local levels”.
With 24% of the data being guaranteed to be bad, I don't put much stock in the rest of it being accurate.

>>324334
>John Oliver
Oh no, its retarded

>>324354
>Tell me you actually know the truth about the KKK.
there are a million different competing "truths" about the KKK, you could mean any one of them. you could be going with the "they wuz democrats, therefore there are also modern democrats" malarkey, you could also be simply saying "they wuz good, ackshually" and be referring to every instance, simply the original one, or even the newest and not the previous incarnations at all. maybe you're one of the ones who says the KKK is all a jewish plot, or maybe you're one of the ones who says the KKK is made up and has never even existed at all. since you could mean any one of these things, I'll state that my opinion on the KKK is that they are the ultimate expression of white fragility. the success of the black community during reconstruction was unparalleled by any other time in US history, and this rapid and unexpected success was violently put down by a Klan that refused to accept fair game, and so resorted once more to extreme violence to maintain their supremacy.
> It'll help you break the bad habit of using their existence as an antiwhite slur for any uppity whitey who wants a future for himself and his people.
the uppity whiteys who want to create their own communities in oregon and washington and such are prevented by the very same nationalistic borders they bemoan the "weakening" of. if you abolished US state borders, your precious Huwite Future would be preserved for eternity starting from the very next day. But your side agitates in favor of the stronger border that will prevent you from seceding - you support the cage that keeps you locked up alongside the immigrants. I certainly have no objection personally to you lot all buggering off to go make a Huwite Huomeland out in the mountains (other than that I like visiting mountains, but you win some you lose some), I think that above all over happenings that could occur to your movement would totally destroy your momentum and credibility.
>http://hatefacts.subvert.pw/hub.html
this is only useful if a lot of people like you use it, so I know your arguments before you even say them. do a lot of you use it?
> People are not equal. Races are not equal.
these are two separate statements, at least from your perspective. if I'm not equal to another guy (and I'm most certainly not equal to anybody, as you can probably tell from my anime posting and my far-left views, both sure signs of a virgin), then what does this say about what would happen to me under your victory? leaving aside for a moment the fact that almost none of you would consider me white, owing to my one-quarter israeli ancestry, you'll note that the "betterment of the race" does nothing for me, indeed if anything it's likely that I'll end up far worse than before. so even if the most silly and extreme claims of your race "realism" were totally and completely true, that does not mean by virtue of admission of this that I'd even remotely agree with your policies, or with your stances on just about anything. if black people, hypothetically speaking, were to be inherently genetically less intelligent, all I'd want to do is give special preference to particular areas of work to blacks, and then spread their presence as a fundamental part of every society on the globe, as well as increasing welfare payments to subsidize their producing more children, because the clear fact to me from this conclusion would be that black people are far more suited to more common and menial aspects of labor. what value to a global economy, or for that matter even a national one, that white people have, I haven't a clue. there isn't a job in the world, assuming this silly racial realism thing, that some race couldn't do better than whites. want hard labor? go with blacks. want high-skilled labor? go with asians. if I were to admit that race "realism" was real, my immediate and obvious conclusion would be that there is no real purpose in having white people at all. so you see, in a sense the reason I believe white people ought to exist currently is due primarily to the fact that I do not subscribe to race "realism"
>Attempts to force equality onto us hurt us.
that's such a miserly view. I've never begrudged someone getting the job instead of me, and I've had over 200 failed job interviews - I blame the COMPANY, obviously, who if they bloody well wished to could hire the both of us. and what do you know? the company management is overwhelmingly WHITE. so it's whites denying me a job, not nonwhites.
>Robbing opportunities from white men in their own homes and giving them away to blacks, arabs, treasonous white women solely for not being white men... how is that fair to white men?
employment, work and capitalism are all inherently unfair, white men cannot and will not be treated fairly so long as these continue to exist. but there's a very easy fix to labor shortages, which is to decrease maximum working hours per day, and decrease maximum working days of the week. but you won't do that, because at the end of the day you care more about preserving the strength of a capitalist economy than you care about actually helping Le Huwite Man get a job.
>If you needed a doctor to save your life, would you want the best doctor who applied for the job or the blackest?
I'm perfectly happy with pre-screening actually, yes. I'm confident enough that every person present at a given interview is already qualified for the job - I hardly see how it can be any other way, given how many tens of millions of applications go totally unlooked at. most are examined by a damn algorithm. if you're cutting 95% of applicants off of the interview list, and you have a SINGLE unqualified applicant in the interview room, then that's on YOU as a stupid, illogical, ineffecient and formulaic private business.
>>324368
>If you needed a doctor to save your life, would you want the best doctor who applied for the job or the blackest?
you already believed that as soon as I said "Communist" positively

The idea that race realism isn't an obvious fact is constantly seen through. It's the most intuitive idea that if something appears different on the outside, they are probably different on the inside, like how you don't expect a tractor and a race-car to have the same engine. The egalitarian idea is what is only held up as obvious today because people are too afraid to speak up that the emperor is nude. Any ideology that doesn't factor in for this fact and its ramification, is just as much a liar as the people on the streets. Never listen to liars.

>>324418
>If you needed a doctor to save your life, would you want the best doctor who applied for the job or the blackest
Thats not at all what I said. I pointed out that if you unironocally watch John Oliver then you're retarded and programmed (the latter is implicit given Oliver's purely rhetoric-based indoctrination programming)

>>324418
How about instead of trying to find fault with my arguments, and blurting out the first misconception/lie that comes into my head, you consider them?
The KKK has... how many members?
And it gives you nightmares.
It doesn't matter whether you're willing to admit the KKK is a democrat organization.
They're not an issue the average American has to give a shit about. They lack power. They're not the ones going around killing those of races they hate, niggers are.
Niggers are the ones going around killing vulnerable-looking whites for being white and looking vulnerable, and niggers on social media say "I get it" and "I understand" because their heads are filled with irrational anti-white loathing by the jews.
They should be on their knees thanking us for letting them participate in democracy, giving them brick houses when they struggle to make mud huts, giving them food and money for doing fuck all, taking care of their families when they can't or won't. But the nigger only wants gibsmedats.
Niggers are the violent thieving enemies of peace whites are forced to put up with despite getting nothing good out of this arrangement.

>>324418
Since when is the KKK relevant in American politics?

While I appricate you guys insightful posts, please sage. This faggot and this faggot thread doesn't deserve to be on the first page.

>>324421
>The egalitarian idea is what is only held up as obvious today because people are too afraid to speak up that the emperor is nude
the egalitarian idea isn't obvious without closer examination. the conclusions that strike people as obvious before closer examination is precisely that all hierarchies are justified and that race is a concrete denominator of behavioural traits.
>>324430
I misclicked, calm down.
>>324439
>How about instead of trying to find fault with my arguments, and blurting out the first misconception/lie that comes into my head, you consider them?
I already have, I used to be like you.
>And it gives you nightmares.
it does not. do you not understand when reconstruction was? post civil war? I'm talking about the past, about history, in reference to the KKK.
>It doesn't matter whether you're willing to admit the KKK is a democrat organization.
oh you are one of those lot, lole. I don't think there's a factual connection, but I certainly don't have any love for the Dems - they're basically just the same as the UK conservatives, the lot of them are way too far to the right for my taste.
>They should be on their knees thanking us for letting them participate in democracy
except you never wanted them to and you continue to not want them to. so you want them to thank you for something you, given the choice, would never ever give them the slightest chance on. that's why nobody's thanking you for the small change.
>giving them brick houses when they struggle to make mud huts
you mean like the native inhabitants of Britain before the Romans?
> giving them food and money for doing fuck all
oh fuck off. I am myself actually disabled, I still have to work, even given full access to every benefit the UK government has to offer. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO LIVE OFF OF. unless you're squatting or homeless, you are simply not ever going to be able to meet living costs almost anywhere in the UK on benefits. if I could, I fucking would, and I wouldn't have to be doing stress-relief talking to you bozos.
>violent thieving enemies of peace whites are forced to put up with
Europeans have killed more people in flat death tolls than any other race in history, yet BLACKS are the enemies of peace? the fucking 30 years war (intereuropean before you say it, I already know that you aren't familiar offhand with the war in question) around 20% of just Germans were killed - proportionally, that's unprecedented. that's more than EITHER world war (which were ALSO mainly european). conclusion being... fucking good luck trying to catch up with the White murder toll, it's basically unbeatable at this stage in history. fucking enemies of peace, what a fucking joke.
>>324450
lmao. not gonna dig into your clop folders like last time? I'm disappointed. continue the good posts though lads, especially the lifestyle type advice, I'm always sure to do the exact opposite of whatever you dimwits are telling eachother to do.

>>324490
>the egalitarian idea isn't obvious without closer examination. the conclusions that strike people as obvious before closer examination is precisely that all hierarchies are justified and that race is a concrete denominator of behavioural traits.
Exactly, what I said? Well, close enough. It's obvious because its the truth and only brainwashed people or liars say otherwise.
Idk. You're not arguing against me here so what?
>lmao.
Yeah yeah. I get that you're trying to provoke me. Always trying to make this so fucking personal. STFU. Noboy cares about you here, even though I know you will argue against this statement.
This isn't the first time some fool has visit this site and ask retarded questions in these four and half years.

>>324490
LMAO, why are you so mad bro?, you typed that post like an hysterical bitch, i thought kikes atleast had linguistic intelligence on them.

>>324530
>Noboy cares about you here, even though I know you will argue against this statement.
I've always been a lurker mainly, ever since 2017 or so. for the first 2 years I was a lurker that agreed with you (like that thread I made where I was uncertain if I was white or not), and for the past 2 years I'm now a lurker who comes here in order to be the opposite of you guys. I post when I'm bored, I'm fully aware that you don't care about me.
>>324557
> i thought persons of Jewish religion or descent atleast had linguistic intelligence on them.
well that's the thing, am I Jew? by /pol/ standards I am, my grandfather's israeli, my grandfather on the other side of the family was a freemason, as were two of my great uncles, and my great-great grandfather is of ultimately unknown origin. normal people just consider me white, and Jews certainly don't consider me Jewish, though I have considered conversion. so you can chalk up that linguistic stupidity to my English blood there, bud :^)

>>324558
>for the first 2 years I was a lurker that agreed with yo
At first this made me want to try to reconvert you (if this anecdote is true that is) but then I realized that your responses to previous posts shows that you aren't a serious person so I'd just be wasting my time.

>>324558
Exactly, if you were an actual Jew you wouldn't have to work at all, you are so fucking retarded you don't even realize where you fucked yourself up.

>>324568
Actually, I don't wanna be anybody's enemy. I always think friendship should be possible. Let's try again. What is it that you find lacking with nationalism because that's the uniting idea on /pol/, if we start at that because that is the real difference between us here. I mean communism and nationalism aren't exactly mutually exclusive to each other, even if I don't like communism.

>>324560
well, not always. I mean to say that most of the time, I lurk rather than post.
>>324569
>Exactly, if you were an actual Jew you wouldn't have to work at all
but see, then you're saying that poor Jews and homeless Jews aren't Jews, which defeats the point of accusing Jews instead of merely the rich.
>>324570
>I always think friendship should be possible
well, I respect that sentiment a lot, so I'll try and stop being a troll for a bit. I'll stick just to this thread or whichever one you want me on while you're still interested.
>What is it that you find lacking with nationalism
well in a serious sense, my personal experience is that fellow pale-skinned people will look down their noses at me the moment they get lucky in life, and at the myriad of different jobs I've worked, I've again and again found so much more to like in fellow workers than with the management, with the management being almost always white (this is middle management remember, I'm not in the kind of jobs where you get to sit in a chair or anything) whilst my coworkers are typically an assortment of different races and backgrounds. I remember in my best job (the one where I got a stool) we were all split up into groups of 3 with one spokesman for the team that spoke to the manager, and I was the spokesman for a drug addict and a convicted felon from polynesia. and you know what? they were great, they were the best coworkers I ever had. so I find I don't have as much in common with people of my nationality, as compared to people who live in a similar situation to me. but of course I'm not just non-nationalist, to a certain degree I'm anti-nationalist, aren't I? well, it's more because I have a particularly bad opinion of British nationalism in particular. first of all I don't really get it, it's this unity of 4 extremely disparate peoples. more disparate than say, if England united with Canada and Australia. so one of my first steps on my out of British Nationalism was becoming an English Nationalist. at the time I was sick of propping up Celtic nations who were typically radically further left than England, and I saw it as dragging us down. But this made me start disliking the things that occurred onwards from the Act of Union too - the industrialization, the Empire, the centralization of parliament, the urbanzation of the English countryside - I began to see these things as tools turned against England by a foreign British government (Disraeli was a Jewish prime minister you see, so I blamed a lot of it on him). but over time, this view of the British government and industry being jewish, victorian and conservative all in one package turned me against a wider context of wealth and privilege in which all that existed. anyway, that's the emotional context, it made me really quite hate symbols like the monarchy and union jack, I've never looked at the UK the same way again since that point.
>because that's the uniting idea on /pol/, if we start at that because that is the real difference between us here.
the problem with nationalism to me is the scale - on the ultranationalist scale, it becomes conquest for soil that your blood has never even touched in centuries, but on the national liberation scale - Britanny, Cornwall and Wales to take a few local examples, that I'd say I support more or less wholeheartedly. I'd only say I'm internationalist insofar as I support those struggles everywhere, not just here. I'm certainly not in favor of a unitary global government, and most of all not in favor of economic globalization.
>I mean communism and nationalism aren't exactly mutually exclusive to each other, even if I don't like communism.
the main conflict between communism and nationalism is that communism emphasizes class collaboration as opposed to national collaboration, and vice versa for nationalism. class collaborationism, the Fascist alternative to class conflict, isn't bad as such, but the thing is I don't see how that wouldn't eventually degrade once again. indeed if it wasn't for the constant degradation of reforms, I'd be fine with relatively minor reforms on capitalism, the main reason I'm communist is because I want to end the autocannibalistic cycles capitalism constantly goes through. but insofar as plugging the wholes goes, corporatism isn't the worst economic system, it's a bit like a less-constrained keynsianism. Oswald Mosley is way too socially conservative for me, but he's not half bad, especially in his later work where he's openly and unapologetically Syndicalist/Socialist, I'd be all for a collaboration with his kind of Fascists if I thought their solutions would hold the dam back for more than a few decades.

>>324575
Ok, you got me to drop the shitposts

First of all, allow me to say that this is indeed largely a class-issue, both of us can agree that Jews constitute the biggest fuckers on earth as you outlined here >>324334
Of course, that dosen't mean each and everyone of them it's our enemy, but it is self explanatory why they ought to be the group that gets the most heat out of the lower classes, however, that is clearly not the case outside the /pol/-sphere, anyways, just so we're clear. We can disagree in a lot of shit, but we both take issue on the kikes and their collaborators, or the upper-class, however you want to call it.

Now that we gotten than out of the way, you see, there was a popular talking point in the alt-right, somewhere around 2017, "identity is the most powerful driving force in politics", when you ask them to elaborate they would say something like this:

"You see all these different ethnic groups, how all of them have strong identities and in-group preferences?, how they unite as a race whenever something happens?, they have countless organizations and groups dedicated to further their own race and help each other?.
This is the natural result of any multicultural society, ethno-centrism always takes over, and white people are the only ones refusing to see it now."

That is perhaps the most important point to consider, why is this important?, because it is a direct obstacle for any class approach, are you familiar with Amazon's leaked memos?, Ocuppy Wallstreet and what the feds did with it?

>>324575
I'm paraphrasing here with no disrespect intended:
>I have had in common more with people who are in similar situation as me than people of my nationality.
I also have had friends (and I still have today but less) of other races. But individuals are different from the general populace. Having the same race is definitely a thing that helps people connect to each other easier. You can see this everywhere since most minorities aren't immigrants these days but they still hang with others of their kind and vice versa.
I like to show you what my utopia, if you will, is. I support basically the David Duke dream about a for each and every people and race for them to rule solo. I don't hate the merits of the other races. I do acknowledge them as I acknowledge their collective sins. But anyway, back to the point. I want people to be able to honor and preserve their heritage. I also would like every race to have good relationships with the other races. I want this because I don't believe the multi-ethinical society works due to it having not worked ever in history, I don't want white genocide, and because of personal reasons I might get into. Actually, maybe in a future post.
>communism emphasizes class collaboration as opposed to national collaboration, and vice versa for nationalism.
I couldn't really follow I'm sorry. To me it still seems like you could have nationalistic communism, like if everyone in country was of the same race and then they became communistical then you would have it.
I'm a monarchist, btw.

Friendly niggers are exceptions that prove the rule.
What makes them friendly?
They don't act like niggers, and they're not stupid like the average nigger.
They are happy to assimilate into white culture and reap the benefits of their black privilege, instead of hurting whites more in a quest for more privilege.
They understand why free entry into a society they're not evolutionarily ready for is a good thing, and they like being held to lower standards than whites, and they love their white friends who are desperate for the socjus brownie-points/social credit points having a "based" black friend gives them.
They appreciate us and understand why we're the best and love living in our nation...
But they still won't risk their privilege by speaking out against the lies that benefit all blacks, including the hateful enemy combatants here to rob us out of spite even if it kills us.
Whites have been made into examples for speaking out against divershitty and the jews. Even little old ladies who tell the obvious mathematical truth about the holohoax. But no nigger has ever been brave enough to meet that fate for the sake of the white man.

>>324584
Consistently the most based poster here. The "noble non-White" meme is a myth. From personal experience alone, I can attest that they will stab you in the back at the first chance they get. Ever heard of the story of the turtle and the scorpion? It's an accurate racial analogy for the "friendly" relationships between Whites and non-Whites.
>>324575
Then why are you here, kike? Why don't you fuck off to some Jew haven? Crocodile tears from a concern-trolling heeb. What a shock.

>>324579
>That is perhaps the most important point to consider, why is this important?, because it is a direct obstacle for any class approach, are you familiar with Amazon's leaked memos?, Ocuppy Wallstreet and what the feds did with it?
well, in 1871 the IWW expelled Victoria Woodhull and associates partially due to Marx's influence, because according to him they focused far too much on issues unrelated to class, such as race, feminism and sexuality, so it's an established precedent that socialism can get watered down by faux-progressive elements without proper opposition to it. personally though I think I kind of see things more as a hierarchical intersectionality - that is to say, all these issues intersect, but more like roots growing out of the existence of class. but then, I guess that in and of itself would be called class reductionist. my biggest objection is mainly that I don't want to specifically oppose progressive causes merely because they aren't solely class-based, I'd rather take a neutral stance on them and remain unassociated it terms of party organizations and affiliation.
>>324580
>Having the same race is definitely a thing that helps people connect to each other easier.
I agree, BUT I don't at all think people connect more over race than over class. that is to say, I think people generally can and ought to get along with people they work together with.
>but they still hang with others of their kind and vice versa.
that's fine, I've no problem with it. there's often this accusation flung around that the Left are the "real segregationists", but in reality the real problem of segregation is that it was done without consent and unequally - so long as it's on each group's own terms, segregation doesn't seem inherently problematic to me.
>I support basically the David Duke dream about a for each and every people and race for them to rule solo.
that's a very laudable goal. provided that the little guy, the Bretons, say, got their place to rule solo rather than being forced back into French rule, I'd be fine with that. there are areas, such as central asia, where traditionally peoples are nomadic so borders would be a little hard to negotiate for having each people rule their own area, but for most of the world I think dividing up territory to allow the self-rule of the people who actually live there would be a massive improvement.
>I do acknowledge them as I acknowledge their collective sins.
that's fine as far as it goes, but if we ignore white sins I think it's only fair to turn over a new leaf as far as other races go as well.
>because I don't believe the multi-ethinical society works due to it having not worked ever in history
I see it mainly existing as a function of globalist trade, so I'm not especially tied to multiculturalism, even though I'm not totally opposed to it either.
>I couldn't really follow I'm sorry.
I think I made a typo, I meant to say "class consciousness" and "national consciousness" there. class consciousness means camaraderie with the people you work side by side with, whereas national consciousness focuses more on people you live in the same country with, typically also of the same ethnicity.
>To me it still seems like you could have nationalistic communism
I think it's a useful model for most of the world, it's mainly that I don't think it'd really work in England. if we could have a nationalist Europe though, that's another matter, I could see that working. it's something that Mosley and Orwell ironically agreed upon.
>like if everyone in country was of the same race and then they became communistical then you would have it.
the main stickler is I don't want that here, especially given the proclivity that certain English people have for claiming that the Celts aren't white.
>>324584
>They don't act like *******
then I don't see how it's essentialist behaviour.
>They are happy to assimilate into white culture and reap the benefits of their black privilege, instead of hurting whites more in a quest for more privilege.
that's not what the "friendly blacks" I knew were like. the polynesian guy was intensely traditional to his culture, he was even part of their priestly tradition. he didn't wear a suit or speak with the same faggoty-ass received pronounciation that I do. and at my cleaning job after that, I worked with a bunch of old black and pakistani ladies, they didn't "integrate" - they never spoke english except to me, and even then a lot of it was hand gestures and me helping them find the right word to say what they meant.
>and they love their white friends who are desperate for the socjus brownie-points/social credit points having a "based" black friend gives them.
I lost these friends when I lost these jobs, I don't have any nonwhite friends currently.
>Even little old ladies who tell the obvious mathematical truth about the holohoax.
the mathematical truth presumably being that you can't cremate that many bodies in such a timespan? not all were cremated, there were also mass graves. yes there were, the University of Birmingham did a field study where they discovered a notable example. other mass grave involved genocides like Pol Pot's also mainly go off of estimates rather than actual recovered remains - I don't mind taking a remains-based view, wherein we'd start Pol Pot's count off at 200k, and Hitler's somewhere between 200 and 800k, and in fact I think this would be a much more useful and logical approach to historical analysis of genocide, but the problem is that in doing this not only would established archaeology accuse it of antisemitism due to now long-established association with outright denial, you deniers would also hound and screech at such an approach simply because it admits that the Germans killed at least some Jewish people.

>>324586
>Then why are you here, person of partially Israeli descent?
the Swedish poster is kind of interesting, but mainly I'm here because I find you funny.
>Why don't you fuck off to some Jew haven?
because I can't laugh at you from there
>Crocodile tears from a concern-trolling heeb. What a shock.
it's not concern trolling, I don't want you to feel sorry for me. why should you feel sorry for me? people like you make my life directly worse, you're the source of the sorry state of affairs, and yet you suggest I'd come crying to you? what a joke. I can only say I'm glad quarter is enough, I'd hate to be white like you.

>>324587
>that's a very laudable goal. provided that the little guy, the Bretons, say, got their place to rule solo rather than being forced back into French rule, I'd be fine with that.
Then we agree on the most important part. If I don't misundertsand something.

>>324588
> people like you make my life directly worse, you're the source of (my) sorry state of affairs, and yet you suggest I'd come crying to you? what a joke. I can only say I'm glad quarter is enough, I'd hate to be white like you.
You say while kvetching about how "people like me" are the source of you woes. Plus, you don't even seem to know what concern-trolling is. You're must be a Middle Eastern Jew since Ashkenazis aren't usually so blatantly retarded. This is the last reply you'll get from me since you consistently seem to feed on the attention of White men given your behavior.

>>324575
>the main conflict between communism and nationalism is that communism emphasizes class collaboration as opposed to national collaboration, and vice versa for nationalism. class collaborationism, the Fascist alternative to class conflict, isn't bad as such, but the thing is I don't see how that wouldn't eventually degrade once again. indeed if it wasn't for the constant degradation of reforms, I'd be fine with relatively minor reforms on capitalism, the main reason I'm communist is because I want to end the autocannibalistic cycles capitalism constantly goes through.

Capitalism, as it exists today, is definitely a problem, and not one that can be solved through minor economic reforms. Economic reforms can definitely help alleviate the symptoms of the an immoral economy, but you shouldn't expect them to get to the root of the issue. From my perspective, the source of the problems is more social than economic, though there are certainly elements of both. The higher classes have responsibilities toward the lower classes, and these obligations are not being met; it's as much a question of reforming the philosophy of the wealthy (and the people as a whole) as it is of punishing those who fail in their duties. If that can't be done under Capitalism, fine, we'll do something else. If different nations and peoples create healthier societies under different economic systems, they ought to do what is best for them.

>>324589
>Then we agree on the most important part.
if the most important part is you getting to fulfill the 14 words in a literal interpretation, then yes, we agree on that.
>>324592
>Capitalism, as it exists today
it's difficult to separate capitalism from usury. usury was common practice by the time capitalism emerged already, but it's also to be found where currency fluctuates, which is a way that you can effectively borrow/lend without the normal trappings, by artificially changing values independently of market change, that is to say, the change in value doesn't reflect price changes. so part of the problem is in the fact that we're driven by self-interest to acquire money directly rather than the things we wish to acquire with it. that is, rather than being a strict means of exchange, where we simply trade money as a useful medium of value to acquire something of equal value, it becomes a means of circulation too.
>The higher classes have responsibilities toward the lower classes
I assume you're referring to the concept of noblesse oblige. but what defines them as a class is their status as owners, as those with inherent rights at the top of a hierarchy over a given area of property, thus they are employers rather than employees in every case. so my point here is that if, as Hitler asserted against Strasser, the ruling class had risen by virtue of the merit, why would we then not place them all as employees of the state? this would make their obligations actual requirements of their job descriptions rather than just relying on their good nature. any advantage the ruling class gives society does not, so far as I can see, have much to do with their specific existence as a class.
>If different nations and peoples create healthier societies under different economic systems, they ought to do what is best for them.
that's a very Marxist concept - each country was to analyze it's own particular material conditions and respond to them in an objective manner suited only to it's unique position, which was why Mao developed a specific application to China, i.e Chinese characteristics, while clearly differentiating this from Mao Zedong Thought, which in turn was adopted by Peruvian and Nepalese movements which each have their own unique applications, both neatly called "paths" in each case.

>>324614
What can i say?...suddenly the ethno-state seems like something that could be build overnight...in comparison

That said, i have no problems if you want to purge cryptojew traito...i mean..."rich whites", just start strictly from top to bottom, if your theory is correct, you won't have chopped off the hand that feeds you by the time you get to the middle class.

>>324614
>why would we then not place [the ruling class/employers] as employees of the state?
If it works, it works. I'm not going to fault a nation for adopting economic policy that improves the health of its people.

Fundamentally, the ruling class should be accountable to the people, and the State should act as a proxy for the people. However, a contract between the State and the ruling class is not the same as a contract between the ruling class and those in their sphere of influence. In the former case, the State acts as both advocate for the people and arbiter, and in the latter the people are their own advocate. If the State can effectively act as that interface, without neglecting or mistreating anyone whom they represent, I have no issue. My concern is with the magnitude of such a proposition. In examining the concerns of the people as a whole, details of the concerns of specific locales can be lost.

The ruling class, by contrast, organizes labor and acts as an economic interface. Landlords and to a lesser extent bankers don't cleanly fit into either category, so I'll just call them illegitimate now; I certainly don't object limiting regulating landlording as a primary source of income out of existence. These things can be done by the State with managers in its employ, but I once again have concerns about the State being too far disconnected from the locals. Being invested in and connected to the local community (or being able to fake it well enough that the results are the same for the locals) is therefore requisite to be a part of the ruling class, anyone else is illegitimate and ought to be removed from their position.

>>324614
>if the most important part is you getting to fulfill the 14 words in a literal interpretation, then yes, we agree on that.
That's great.
Everything else is secondary to me. My best friend is an atheist nationalist. So long as we can agree on this one point we don't have to agree on anything else. One can be of any race, ideology, or faith and we'd still be on, at least, amicable terms. The question on how society should be run can be solved later but white genocide is irrevocable.
I even knew a guy who was intrested in the prospect of combining nationalism with communism in irl, he was nice.

>>324669
Isn't Hitler's NatSoc already the perfect fusion, a fascist state capitalism that recognizes the necessity of a pro-white state over profits or whatever else motivates antiwhites and is willing to sieze property/businesses from nonwhites for the greater white good?

>>324670
I'm a monarchist so in my view money and wealth isn't the enemy, they are just another form of power. I think people are corrupt and all system that tries to emulate justice (or equality in other cases) will fail sooner or later. Therefore, it's better to have completely corrupt system from the begining, as in a full hierachy. This way people will seprate morality from the law. The law can deterioate but the morality that's based on principles and such things that are abstract, cannot.
But my best friend is a NatSoc and he's a wise guy so it might have many merits that I haven't considered.

>>324669
>the prospect of combining nationalism with communism in irl
That may be some kind of Strasserism.

>>324674
>Strasserism
Yeah, I have a vague memory that that's what he was talking about now when you say it.

>>324672
>I think people are corrupt
Not all people but you know what I mean.

>>324617
> if you want to purge cryptojew traito...i mean..."rich whites"
they're the same thing, aren't they? if the economic system is jewish then you have to collaborate with jews to get to the top, so logically if you're at the top you would have to be there because they want you there.
>you won't have chopped off the hand that feeds you by the time you get to the middle class.
so long as you could demonstrate collusion with any upper classes in each case, I'd be fine with getting rid of middle class jews too.
>but I once again have concerns about the State being too far disconnected from the locals.
National Syndicalism (as well as other forms of Syndicalism) would have local worker syndicates representing each particular sector of the local economy, as well as other regional interest groups. out of these, each syndicate would elect a delegate to form a syndicate above it - that way, each consecutive layer of government would be constructed out of the best elements of the lower layer. it's also better than a representative democracy at representing local interests because it isn't afraid to address economic issues, and compromise is actually achieved, rather than 51% bashing everyone else - where disagreements occur, in a more leadership oriented structure you could leave the dispute resolution to the top, unelected layer. personally I'd prefer the top layer be elected too, but it's not objectionable if an independent nation wanted their king/fuhrer/duce on top.
>Being invested in and connected to the local community (or being able to fake it well enough that the results are the same for the locals) is therefore requisite to be a part of the ruling class, anyone else is illegitimate and ought to be removed from their position.
if you are a genuinely good local ruler, then you're almost certain to at least be seated on an important syndicate, where you need only convince a relatively small number of your direct peers to nominate you as a member of the next higher up layer. and from there you could work your way either to the top, or just below the top.
>>324669
>The question on how society should be run can be solved later
it doesn't have to be run one way. in feudal times we lived in very decentralized countries. the way I see it, in the way one respects religious beliefs, in the same way we ought to respect some deeply-held cultural beliefs. so White Nationalist communities would thus be protected from unwanted outsiders. in terms of miscegenation, if that's done by outsiders onto your communities then perhaps there could be an exchange program where we give you a verified all-white orphan in exchange for the mixed-race baby (except in cases of rape, in which case feel free to kill the rapist and abort the baby).
>Isn't Hitler's NatSoc already the perfect fusion, a fascist state capitalism that recognizes the necessity of a pro-white state over profits or whatever else motivates antiwhites
in theoretical terms, from what I've read, orthodox Hitlerism is essentially viewing everything in society as being at the disposal of it's own defence, which in practice largely meant what Hitler wanted to do. He describes it as such in Mein Kampf, "German Democracy", where each Fuhrer is elected for life and given absolute power in order to be able to actually fulfill his promises to the people. So in a way it's more a philosophy of his, with followers believing in Hitler's specific application of it, with the understanding that it was subject to any and all changes deemed necessary. which is the difference between it and say, Fascism, which was an ideology rather than a specific application of a method of governance. National Socialism is only really an ideology rather than a method in the works of Strasser, in my mind.
>>324672
> Therefore, it's better to have completely corrupt system from the begining, as in a full hierachy. This way people will seprate morality from the law. The law can deterioate but the morality that's based on principles and such things that are abstract, cannot.
some outcomes of this in the past were fairly based. Guild Socialism and Reactionary Socialism both hailed pre-capitalist economies as having fairer and more equal treatment partially due to this government structure.

>>324674
Strasserism is pretty based.Left Wing National Socialism is just as Good as Right Wing National Socialism. Hitler Made a Mistake by Purging the Strasserists

>>320977
It already has, you dense fuck.

>>324674
God, thats making me nostalgic for /fascist...

>>324732
Where in Cuba? China?

>>324732
>a Russian thinking today is equal to his grandfather sitting in a gulag
go away, you're drunk off vodka.

>>324199
>London is too expensive for almost anybody to live in
London reporting. This is just a straight lie. You can rent a place from living wage, pay all taxes and still go to your local pub. Millions have been doing it for quite a long time now. Failing that, another bunch of millions commute to London daily.
I don't care about the other nonsense. But if this poster lies about something so simple for seemingly no reason, odds are fairly good that the rest of these posts are equally untrue.

>>325787
How Many Pakis do you live by?

>>325788
Currently not many tbh. You can find these ethnic pseudo-enclaves all over Greater London. If you don't want pakis, go find your preferred neighborhood.
Then when you're outside of your specific safe zone, it's just mind your own business. Like every big city.

>>325792
so you live next to mostly anglos then?

>>325794
Not really. Areas with mostly white English really are expensive. The alternative is finding groups who tolerate you. I personally don't mind Scots or the Irish. Or you could go for one of the non-muslim immigrant groups. The ones with notable presence in London are Polish, Romanian and the like, or Indians and Chinese from further East. It's a pick your poison thing. If you're not much for halal food, you still have options.
I don't want to bump this thread any further though. Point is the commie is full of shite and possibly haven't even been here for decades.

>>325821
If you are going to San Francisco,
Be sure to wear some firearms in your bags.

>>324971
>But communism – the actual thing, in practice – is coercive collectivism; an oligarchical hierarchy in which the operational ownership of everyone by a few someones – the ones who control the apparatus of coercion – defines the order of things.
it's not an actual thing in practice, Lenin specifically said that the Soviet Union was Capitalist. it did not fundamentally change since then, and even without Lenin's EXPRESS STATEMENT that the USSR was capitalist, it's rudimentary to demonstrate with Marxist theory that the USSR was fully and completely capitalist in nature.
>A ruling elite – the Party and those positioned to leverage the Party’s power to apply coercion – the administrators and bureaucrats – control all economic and thus human activity, since there is an economic element to every human action
yes, a ruling elite that controls all economic activity is called CAPITALISM. LENIN SAID SO. LENIN SAID THE USSR WAS CAPITALIST.
>Those communists were not true “communists."
they were, but that doesn't make what they were doing communism merely because they believed in it. they were, in their minds, developing the productive forces of feudalist countries by first establishing accelerated forms of capitalism - Marx is very clear that you cannot ever jump from feudalism straight into socialism. so, due precisely to the fact that they were communists, they necessarily implemented Capitalism and not Communism. if they tried to implement Communism directly, that would not be Communist of them.
>>325787
>This is just a straight lie.
people do clearly actually live in London, the statement was that it's too expensive for "almost anyone" to live in, yet if it's jampacked full of people, then clearly people can afford to live there. so I had assumed it was obvious that it was a statement of rhetoric and not of literal fact, else I would have cited the average rent in real figures. put another way, it's too expensive for me to live there, or most of my coworkers.

>>328721
Which country is more degenerate?

>>327261
Why do commies love to pretend the Soviet Jewish USSR "Wasn't real communism" just because one of their false gods like mao or stalin said so?
Leftist retards served insane greedy powerhungry jews and purged innocents. That is Communism in its most absolute form. That is why Communists need to be locked up before they hurt innocents.

Every communist revolution and government would've been impossible if it wasn't for Jewish bankers; bolshevik revolution? Jacob Schiff and Olof Aschberg, Chinese revolution? Goldman Sachs, Cambodian revolution? Entirely supported by the (((CIA))). I could go on and on. Communism is the definition of controlled opposition.

>>328744
>Cambodian revolution? Entirely supported by the (((CIA))).
Enlighten me on this. The CIA has supported revolutions infamously, but usually in the interest of pro-U.S. factions against communists.
I don't question the rest though.

>>328745
>CIA
>pro-US
Pick one.
The CIA is Deep State, Deep State and Communists serve the same Jewish master.

>>328744
So the KGB supporting the Viet Cong, KPA, and various other communist revolutions in Africa means nothing?

>Leftism and Mental Illness: New Statistical Evidence
>Psychological analysis of Leftism is a prominent theme throughout the works of Ted Kaczynski. For him, Leftism is the quintessential example of modern ‘oversocialization.’ An inferiority complex cult, overflowing with a spectrum of mental illnesses; self-hatred, guilt, low self-esteem, depressive tendencies, defeatism, etc. Kaczynski notes that Leftists have an intense need to identify with the “weak, defeated, repellent or otherwise inferior” and an intense loathing for everything that is “strong and successful.” He describes them as the System’s first line of defense; they swarm any potentially-revolutionary movement that may threaten the System’s power, pollute it with nonsense, and drag it away from its foundational cause.
https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/06/27/leftism-and-mental-illness/
Article too long to post a full screenshot.

>>331336
Reminder that Ted already knew everything decades ago and it hasn't been worded better since
https://unabombermanifesto.com/

>6. Almost everyone will agree that we live in a deeply troubled society. One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.

>>320977
How is Communism anything but a hair-brained philosophy? It's not even a political system. How the fuck do you actually achieve communism? Not even a communist could tell you. How do you actually get your communist utopia? You just overthrow the evil bourgeoisie and enact some totalitarian socialist policies and then eventually, somehow, it becomes communist somewhere down the line. These fags don't even know how they will do it, and they will openly admit that actual communism in unfathomable. We just have to fuck shit up and eventually it will be.

Communism is just a tool to overthrow governments. It's a dumb ideology to get the NPCs to overthrow one group of slave-masters and surrender themselves to another. It lies to its adherents through implication, and yet it is completely honest literally. I find it ironic as Hell that the ideology of materialism has no actual, physical, material means of affecting anything it claims to aim for.

Communism is revolution. That is it. That's the whole philosophy. And when that is the whole of a philosophy, the only conclusion to be drawn is that it is a tool. Not an end. There is in actuality no Communism. They just tell you that there is to get you to do their bidding. So think about it for a little bit!

Bakunin was a crackpot in his own special way. But he was right in his critique of Marx and Communism. He saw the obvious. Why can't you? Why can't communists see the obvious? Or do you simply choose to ignore it? Do you lie, so blatantly, when you profess your belief in liberty?

>>328743
>Why do commies love to pretend the Soviet Jewish USSR "Wasn't real communism" just because one of their false gods like mao or stalin said so?
Because if you are a Communist, then you believe in Marx's definition of Communism, which in it's absolute shortest is An Aboliton of Commodity Production. the USSR had commodity production, therefore it was capitalist, it is that simple.
>That is Communism in its most absolute form. That is why Communists need to be locked up before they hurt innocents.
I'm perfectly fine with stopping more capitalist dictatorships like the USSR from existing, that's fully compatible with Communism.
>>331458
>How the fuck do you actually achieve communism?
you abolish commodity production.
>Not even a communist could tell you.
I just told you.
>How do you actually get your communist utopia?
You follow the programmatic steps of Marx and Engel's various manifestos - that is, you set up the organs necessary to abolish commodity production following a spontaneous revolution OR, as Marx allowed for, a democratic victory. Once commodity production is eliminated, socialism, in whatever area it exists, is established. Lenin made it extremely clear that in order to reach this stage, the FEUDALIST Russia had to be developed, which meant making it CAPITALIST first. once this process was complete, then communization could actually begin.
except he abandoned this in 1921 with the NEP, which is why the USSR never moved beyond capitalism.
>You just overthrow the evil bourgeoisie and enact some totalitarian socialist policies and then eventually, somehow, it becomes communist somewhere down the line.
what you're seeing there is counterrevolutionary takeover - that is, because communist revolutions have all happened in Feudalist economies, they had to develop Capitalism first - but Capitalists got too powerful and hijacked the revolution, be it Stalin or Deng Xiaoping.
>These fags don't even know how they will do it, and they will openly admit that actual communism in unfathomable. We just have to fuck shit up and eventually it will be.
There were many people with highly specific plans - Salvador Allende.
There's a very notable reason why you don't hear about those plans though.
>Why can't communists see the obvious? Or do you simply choose to ignore it? Do you lie, so blatantly, when you profess your belief in liberty?
I don't see the obvious because I'm not interested in drawing surface-level "obvious" conclusions.

>>336304
>you abolish commodity production.
How do you do this?

>>336308
A commodity is an object of production, produced specifically in order to then exchange it. So we can imagine commodities easily by conjuring up a sort of barter economy.
But of course we've moved past this, nowadays we have a universal commodity called money, this is what facilitates exchange of all goods for one another. That is, what's often seen from outside is Marxism highlighting workers producing commodities, but necessarily Capitalism must have them fulfill the other side of the coin - that is, consuming the same commodities that they, as a class, produce.
Ok, so key to the existence of commodity production is exchange, and key to exchange is money. But what defines money, according to Marx? Is it, as many others define it, simply a stand-in for a product's value?
NO - key to the Marxist understanding of money is CIRCULATION. Things are exchanged for money, and money is then exchanged by the exchangee for other things. Money is a middle-man of all production, the middle man that drives commodity fetishism and thus commodity production. Therefore, by eliminating this middle man in a socialised economy, we replace CIRCULATORY money with whatever means of distribution we find to be most efficient - say we stick to what we know, and keep it similar to money. We'd have labor vouchers, representing a certain amount of value contributed via work, which we could then directly exchange for goods as one would a train ticket - that is, the voucher is purely for one-time exchange, as investment into the distributor, say a grocer in this case, is not reliant on production for exchange, but rather on production for *need*.
As Marx writes it, "for all it matters" we may have these slips of paper to exchange for things, because the abolition of circulation and thus by extension commodity production makes how we then actually distribute things relatively inconsequential. Whatever works best from there, as it were.
This also helps cut out other economically inefficient middlemen, like the vast amounts spent on advertisement, artificially separated research and development, trade secrets, etc. While Hayek is correct in saying that competition trumps strict Vanguard planning, it's the workshop floor direct access to information that is the actual advantage there, and so instead we find that in Socialism, planning begins from the ground up - that is, you leave matters of local importance in the purview of the workers themselves, or more likely their elected manager, with large scale predictors, for example a rise in housing demand (which capitalism famously completely fails to meet, despite governments consistently being able to predict rises in housing demand decades before markets respond to it), to which they can respond in the long term.
Also note that commodity production will inevitably abolish itself eventually, once automation is advanced enough to make the production of strict necessities effectively worthless to profit margins, as well as replacing human employment, as machines cannot consume, and without consumption there is no commodity.

>>336313
I know what a commodity is. My question was how you stop the production and trading of commodities with anything short of complete totalitarianism.

"Hey guys if we give the state absolute control over the economy, media, culture, and education then the state will eventually wither away and we will have a stateless classless utopia" - this is what communists actually believe.

>Aboliton of Commodity Production
Let's say for arguments sake that is possible. Stock piles of any kind is also a commodity, because you don't need it right now.
Any work done would experience stopping and 'starting' on quotas as over production is punishable (gee it's almost like Gommunism sucks).
Having wide array of wants and needs would be unmanagable in a "Aboliton of Commodity Production" society. Art, philosophical, literature and leisure let alone luxury goods and services would be more than prohibited. There would be no growth, no improvement, no high standards of living, you would lose everything and gain nothing.
Any disaster would be amplified and response times delayed.
>Let's say there is stockpiles.
Congratulations on your mandatory meal cubes, and crammed bug rooms.
Hold on a moment, when people are out of work because the stockpile is reached theoretically the people become the commodity. Looks like the meal cubes got some soilent green added to em.
>But machines!?
So? If or when machines replace every job and every theoretical job and all necessary tasks, commodities would be still be punishable.
People would be redundant in the communist view.
You are advocating for at least a nation wide prison complex
That's if nobody even tries to topple the fragile system. NOBODY EVER. That mean anyone can break it at any moment. Those are some shit odds.
Besides humans aren't bugs, people are people. Bug hives are shit if you live in one as a human.
>But muh Gobbermint.
Congratulations you fucked up communism, good job. Divisions of labour is also a commodity by technicallity.
Weapons are a commodity in communist views too.
Congrats on saying you love slaves and want to be a slave yourself. I'd a reoccurring theme with communists.
>We'd have labor vouchers,
That's a commodity and currency and it's money you absolute retard. You EXCHANGE the voucher for STUFF. Replace voucher with money or barter or anyother shit and it's basically money.
Money that is all currencies come from the soul. If your money is sick and infested there's some fucking problems.
Communism is a Jewish golem.

Heck Anarchy is better than any of that unhuman bullshit.
If you realized the issues faced are due to problems all that matters are solutions.
But your 'solutions' doesn't solve anything, and that's the best case.

>>336323
I explained that in the sentences following the first one.
>>336332
>"Hey guys if we give the state absolute control over the economy, media, culture, and education then the state will eventually wither away and we will have a stateless classless utopia" - this is what communists actually believe.
Jews control the state, and Jews control private industry. So what you've failed to notice is that state control over all aspects of life is the present state of mankind, not a future one. A kike tells you when to wake up, what to do and how to do it from 9-5, 5 days a week, if not more, as well as ordering police officers to beat you for wrongthink and censoring what books you can read. The distinction of private tyranny and public tyranny then is one that can exist only without acknowledging the common Jewish factor between them - a factor which, once accepted, demonstrates that there is not a real difference between the two, indeed less than no difference, as the fictional difference itself serves to combine the two even more effectively than if the truth were in plain sight.
the "withering away" of the state is an NEP capitalist myth - if you read my initial response, you'd remember Marx's attitude to labour vouchers - that ultimately they are inconsequential. This is the same with statism or non-statism - the difference, under Socialism, is ultimately inconsequential, because the moment any person seeks to dominate you like a Zionist, capitalism or some earlier stage of development has been recreated.
tl;dr making it all about statism vs non-statism ignores and even seeks to obscure the ever-present Kike factor.

>336362
>Jews control the state.
>Makes state control everything.
>????
>GOMMUNISM :----DDDDDDD
Great job nigger, you didn't solve the fucking problems.
If you realized the issues faced are due to problems all that matters are solutions.
But your 'solutions' doesn't solve anything, and that's the best case.

>>336361
>Stock piles of any kind is also a commodity, because you don't need it right now.
Even future need, or no need at all counts. It's circulation that causes things to come INTO existence based on their worth for PURE exchange, that is what defines a commodity.
>Any work done would experience stopping and 'starting' on quotas as over production is punishable (gee it's almost like Gommunism sucks).
wat
why would overproduction be punishable? You produce as much as you possibly can, surpluses are for once actually useful once you can direct them without restriction. Take excess food for example, rather than landfill stuffing, it could be burned as biofuel.
>Having wide array of wants and needs would be unmanagable in a "Aboliton of Commodity Production" society. Art, philosophical, literature and leisure let alone luxury goods and services would be more than prohibited. There would be no growth, no improvement, no high standards of living, you would lose everything and gain nothing.
being unable to sell art does not kill art, this is baby-tier "waaah we need copyright and jewish lawyers to enforce it" understanding. Art existed, in a far better state than now, for tens of thousands of years without a profit incentive.
>So? If or when machines replace every job and every theoretical job and all necessary tasks, commodities would be still be punishable.
Punishable? No, you've misunderstood, it's not that you punish people for making commodities, it's that you establish an economic order where, although people are perfectly free to create commodities if they want, it's functionally useless to do so.
>People would be redundant in the communist view.
Redundancy is unemployment, it is a characteristic so exclusive to capitalism that not even Fascism has it.
>That's if nobody even tries to topple the fragile system. NOBODY EVER. That mean anyone can break it at any moment. Those are some shit odds.
Once the preexisting system is toppled, people may break it any way that they damn well please, because it's utterly inconsequential what people do once the utility of commodity production and it's infrastructure is absent. Any manner in which they choose to arrange themselves following said abolition is a form of Socialism.
>Congratulations you fucked up communism, good job. Divisions of labour is also a commodity by technicallity.
Division of labour does not have inherent exchange value, so no, it is not a commodity.
>Weapons are a commodity in communist views too.
If they are acquired and manufactured to serve circulation then yes, otherwise they are an inalienable right of working men.
>That's a commodity
as Marx says, IT DOES NOT CIRCULATE, thus it is not a commodity. can you make them circulate? well sure, but at that stage they are not vouchers that represent labour
>and currency and it's money you absolute retard.
you can call it money if you like, I have no problem with money provided it does not CIRCULATE.
>You EXCHANGE the voucher for STUFF.
not a commodity.
>Replace voucher with money or barter or anyother shit and it's basically money.
fine by me, just abolish the circulatory nature of it. "hurr people could just exchange them privately", fine, they can do so if they wish. it's functionally useless, you won't be able to exchange it for a greater value than it's issuance, so no matter how you try and exchange it, it won't circulate.
>Communism is a Jewish golem.
and Capitalism is not? Circulatory money is the Jewish god, that's how they make their gains, through debt that can only ever accumulate in a circulatory currency.
>If you realized the issues faced are due to problems all that matters are solutions.
How do you solve accumulation of debt value, invisible value that does not exist? Capitalism has no answer to that Zionist invention because it itself is no more than the culmination of the Jewish system. Competing divisions of labour within companies will always seek to outsource jobs to cheaper employees, whether through imperial conquest or through Mass Immigration, how will Capitalism solve this? Automation held in private hands means the Jews will own all production in the world and will have no more use for the rest of humanity, how will Capitalism solve this? So long as commodities continue to exist, so will the Jew.

>>336364
>Jews control the state.
AND PRIVATE INDUSTRY.
if you want to abolish the state at a stroke, then I have news for you, Funny Moustache Man in your pic related had a TINY BIT of a use for a state in combatting Jews after his revolution. what a SHOCKER.
>Great job nigger, you didn't solve the fucking problems.
Capitalism is incapable of solving these problems, it is incapable of being anything more than a Jewish machine.

>336367
>336366
>Economic systems and Government systems don't block parasites automatically
Gee wiz, hunh who could have guessed that.
>direct them
... Gommunism :DDDDDDDDD
>it's functionally useless to do so.
>can you make them circulate? well sure
Gommmnism :DDDDDDDDDDDD Gabbdalism :DDDDDDDDDD
>Jewish machine
Look I'll tell you the solution, you remove them and prevent them from re-entering in any form.

I'll tell you why work tickets doesn't solve the problem, because guess which group will print up those tickets and verify them. Congratulations the value of your labor still fluctuates and shit is still fucked.
<You need food, but can't work because sick.
Here's your labor requirement ticket.
They can keep issuing that tah-dah, debt again. Interest debt none the less.
But in Gommunism Bision :DDDDDDDDDD

Oh! But you can also ship that work over seas for less labor per ticket unit. Congratulations shit's the same.
Gommunism :-DDDDDDDDDDDD

>>336384
>Look I'll tell you the solution, you remove them and prevent them from re-entering in any form.
doesn't work, the Nazis found out why and explained:
"Up to November 1938, the British were depicted as an Aryan people, but afterward, they were denounced as "the Jew among the Aryan peoples" and as plutocrats, fighting for money."
It reproduces the behaviour in whatever select group, that's how class structures work. Unless you change the system that produces them, removing them is an exercise in futility.
> because guess which group will print up those tickets and verify them. Congratulations the value of your labor still fluctuates and shit is still fucked.
if you can just say "all states are jewish", then you're fucked anyway, because you can't defeat them without a state. congrats, nice blackpill you have there.
>You need food, but can't work because sick.
A full third of food produced in America is thrown away, and you want to pretend that it's some sort of scarce resource? What you really want to ask is how sick pay can exist when you exchange your labour time for goods, and the answer's pretty simple, which is that there's a whole bunch of stuff that you don't get paid that needs to be deducted - just as Companies keep part of your paycheck to invest into itself, i.e it's profit margin, the state will also keep a portion of your produced value, which can then easily be paid back to you in the form of, for example, sick pay.
>muh high taxes!
it's spread so evenly and thinly that the burden will be a lot less, since right now both your employer AND your government are both slicing up your paycheck for millions of tiny competing concerns, rather than pooling resources.
>Oh! But you can also ship that work over seas for less labor per ticket unit. Congratulations shit's the same.
wat? that only works if you're doing more valuable labour to begin with. overseas labour isn't cheaper because it's less valuable, it's cheaper because it's workers are beaten into submission, shot if they unionize and live in conditions of ultimately cheaper abject poverty, thus lowering the cost of their standard of - well, living is a strong word for it, more like standard of survival.

>336388
>removing them is an exercise in futility
>you can't defeat them without a state
A State is groups of people forming groups themselves, a group of people is made of people, the only way anything is done is with singular people. You might say the issue is consensus or applicability of how likely successes could be.
So the issue is not states nor groups nor removing nor individuals them it's the success rate which must be high enough.
But, No it's the robustness and surety of that success throughout time and space.
Noooo. It's very simple. Less than 20%
<you remove them and prevent them from re-entering in any form.

Now.
>>Oh! But you can also ship that work over seas for less labor per ticket unit. Congratulations shit's the same.
>wat? that only works if you're doing more valuable labour to begin with. overseas labour isn't cheaper because it's less valuable, it's cheaper because it's workers are beaten into submission, shot if they unionize and live in conditions of ultimately cheaper abject poverty, thus lowering the cost of their standard of - well, living is a strong word for it, more like standard of survival.
Communism does that locally.
>But muh gobbermint gud!
Then you don't have any problems regardless of economic choice if that is true.
>easily be paid back to you
If shit works near flawlessly.
All the points you make can be done in capitalism and all current and previous nations all of them, but any one of those doesn't solve the problems innately.

>>336421
>you remove them and prevent them from re-entering in any form.
ok, but how DO you prevent them from re-entering in any form?
>Communism does that locally.
You're talking about what the Soviets would call "actually existing socialism" now, as in the historical record, and the fact that Soviet """socialism""" treated people this way is one of the many signs that what they have, as Lenin wrote himself, was capitalism.
>If shit works near flawlessly.
Why?
Say there's accounting errors, we're still talking about an effective "tax" pool of a colossal scale. It's like saying that road construction under capitalist governments can only ever happen if "shit works near flawlessly", I don't understand why you think government spending is suddenly so much more precarious when the economic system is Socialist.
>All the points you make can be done in capitalism and all current and previous nations all of them, but any one of those doesn't solve the problems innately.
Nationalising all industry and issuing labour vouchers to allow consumption of the national product cannot be done under Capitalism, if you do it you'll have Socialism.
Can you go off and make your own business, if you desperately so wish? Sure, absolutely, but the point is you'd then be competing against an economic system that is primarily a unified Socialist industry. Spending your vouchers, or even returning to a personalised gold standard of some kind becomes meaningless simply because now you'd be in the position that Socialism is in today - merely the system of tiny communes of some crackpots. I'd imagine the MOST successful of these cottage capitalisms under socialism would be farms, since these could fuel small, self-sufficient communities. If to you the freedom to go and own that farm and sell it's produce without taxation is capitalism, then you can call the socialism I'm describing "capitalism" if that's how your definitions work. Besides, capitalism is closer to socialism than any of the so-called "communist" countries that have existed. since these countries were feudal, they developed a primitive capitalism first. but capitalism has to advance to it's most powerful stage of development first before any socialism will be possible - after all, the forces of capital do a much better job of destroying the feudal obstacles of religion, tradition and family far better than any government ever could. and once capitalism has eliminated all the obstacles to socialism, socialism can come into existence - but not a moment before.

>>340419
Keep in mind that the word “communist” according to Mr. McCarthy encompassed a very broad spectrum that includes most people today.

>>340423
You're right, most liberals and even many conservatives are repulsive commies in disguise.

>>340425
Or at least according to Mr. McCarthy.

>>340427
You commies always attack the man or his credentials when he knows the truth.

>>340419
>>340423
Tbh, I wouldn't consider McCarthy to be an expert in what a commie is.
The guy was a clown. He called random people "communists" with barely with no evidence, because it was the alarmist buzzword of the day and he was using it to his advantage.

>>340448
You’d probably be a communist for actively supporting an establishment that treats everyone equally. Is anyone allowed to post here regardless of skin color or ethnicity? If so, then we are probably all communists in his mind.

>>340462
>Is anyone allowed to post here regardless of skin color or ethnicit
No, u must post hand to not get deleted. This is the way.

>>340463
The nose must also be posted.

>>340466
fine....

>>340462
>Is anyone allowed to post here regardless of skin color or ethnicity?
There is no rule against it. Even kikes can post here.
Draw attention to yourself and you are still subject to being bullied.

>>340462
Do not be absurd.
Communists have never actually been about treating people equally.
They rape and steal and lie.
Commies say they hate dominance heirarchies and power structures, but they really just hate all heirarchies that do not artificially place them above better people and power structures that they cannot control.
Communists are subhuman just like jews.
Besides, I do not want a world where people are treated equally regardless of their skin tone because whites tried that and it backfired. Gas the kikes and mudslimes, kick the niggers out and kill those who stay or resist, no more foreigners on our soil.
The divershitty experiment has failed. Those responsible must be punished. Those part of the experiment must go home.
Inb4 false equivalence or whataboutism that tries to paint whites as foreigners on all soil.

>>340502
>Communists have never actually been about treating people equally.
>They rape and steal and lie.
>Commies say they hate dominance heirarchies and power structures, but they really just hate all heirarchies that do not artificially place them above better people and power structures that they cannot control.
Go on.
>Communists are subhuman just like jews.
>Besides, I do not want a world where people are treated equally regardless of their skin tone because whites tried that and it backfired. Gas the kikes and mudslimes, kick the niggers out and kill those who stay or resist, no more foreigners on our soil.
>The divershitty experiment has failed. Those responsible must be punished. Those part of the experiment must go home.
Now I’ll have to disagree with the latter part of this argument. Who gets to decide which race governs the rest and what if the others don’t like the decision? In that case, what if they install their own government where the tables are turned and the race in power from the first government is hated just as much? Actually, this is happening now in the town of Evanston, Illinois, where there is a pathway for a program in place to give all of its African-American residents reparations regardless of income levels or descent from slavery. The latest action is that only 16 random people have been chosen, but the program may continue and therefore only tip the scales in racism rather than undo racism.

>>340507
>In that case, what if they install their own government where the tables are turned and the race in power from the first government is hated just as much?
Niggers are free to do that in Africa, mudslimes are free to do that in middle east, et cetera instead of trying to subvert actually functional countries out of blatant jealousy.
Africa's good for a laugh, because it shows, clear as daylight, that niggers are retarded chimps, not people.

>>340515
How come this ability is restricted by geographic locale, then? And it would still need clear-cut definitions of who belongs to which group and why.

Also, thanks to plane travel and the Internet existing, families are spread across the globe. This sort of logic would only divide families separated by oceans and wedge relationships that would otherwise be solid and healthy.

>>340516
An interracial relationship is not any more healthy than a relationship between a man and a monkey.
If the niggers don't want to stay in the (continent-sized) zoo, they die. No other options.

>>340520
>An interracial relationship is not any more healthy than a relationship between a man and a monkey.
You may be surprised at how ethnically diverse your own family lineage is.
>If the niggers don't want to stay in the (continent-sized) zoo, they die. No other options.
Mind you that skin color is a trait that people are born with, not necessarily something people could easily get rid of. You are talking about getting rid of millions of people, many of whom could possibly agree with you on other things.

>>340523
Still gotta try and shit up every thread in with your shitty low iq Propaganda huh?
Race is more than skin deep faggot. it effects literally everything about someone

>>340545
>>340546
>it effects literally everything about someone
That theory has been widely discredited by scientists around the world and has been used to justify countless wrongs across the world. New evidence has shown that no human is no more distantly related from any other human than as 64th cousins at most.

>>340552
>That theory has been widely discredited by scientists around the world and has been used to justify countless wrongs across the world.
What an absurd lie.
Race is real.
Or do you deny the difference between a white engineer and a sub-80 IQ nigger who can't even farm right without a white man showing them how it's done?

>>340555
Those are two completely different scenarios which race has little to do with.

>>340552
Cope Faggot. why are you willfully retarded?

>>340552
imagine having such severe cognitive dissonance that you refuse to accept that biology plays a factor in behavior. your ideology is intellectually bankrupt, as evidenced by your need to actively reject reality to even make it palatable. in other words, kill yoruself

>>340552
That's obviously retarded by looking at it, we cluster, we're genetically distinct enough to be different subspecies by how we treat other animals, and every part of behavior is somewhat or largely genetic

You don't get 70,000-100,000 years of evolution in exact opposite environments and get the same result. That's the most retarded thing you can imagine

>>340523
>You may be surprised at how ethnically diverse your own family lineage is
Made up. We cluster. You're retarded. If we didn't cluster we wouldn't be visible separate groups, hence pics 1 and 2

>that people are born with
Every behavior is somewhat or largely inborn. Blank slates don't exist. Made up liberal garbage with nothing behind it. And judging people based on that is good anyway

There's NO theory for altruism that doesn't involve kinship, family, race. You're not fighting that nature and winning, it's retarded

Interracial relationships also just have higher divorce, stillbirths, and health and social problems for the kids. Genes that haven't existed together for 100,000 years suddenly bunching up doesn't let to well tested results and a complete lack of identity isn't either

You can't even give an organ to your "own" race mixed child, but you could to a random stranger on the street of the same race as you. Your race is closer to you by birth. They're foreigners

>>340563
Who says that biology does not impact behavior? Multiple studies have shown that one’s mood and other environmental and nutritional factors can drastically impact one’s driving behavior and fuel usage.
>>340567
>That's obviously retarded by looking at it, we cluster, we're genetically distinct enough to be different subspecies by how we treat other animals, and every part of behavior is somewhat or largely genetic
First, you are ignoring the fact that humans do indeed miscegenate, as evidenced by the fact that 60.2% of the population of Peru is mixed-race. Second, treating animals differently can be learned and taught, meaning that the behavior is not inherent to races in particular. My mother and I once watched a documentary on families of hunter-gatherers living on Alaskan homesteads that did provide insight as to alternative ways animals could be treated.
>You can't even give an organ to your "own" race mixed child, but you could to a random stranger on the street of the same race as you.
That theory may very well have been made up to promote eugenics policies. I’m no medical doctor, but blood type seems to be the main factor in determining matters such as this.
>inb4 “muh blood types are race specific!”
Then how come all blood types are essentially used as horoscopes in Japanese newspapers?

>>340573
You know everyone here hates you right? so why are you still here?

>>340578
First, that was only the third post by my UUID, so hatred may be a very rapid conclusion. Second, site rules don’t really mention mob rule and expelling people because of hatred alone. If that were true, it would seem as though a great many others would likely get the boot as well.

>>340580
>3rd post
you are not clever. everyone can see that you change ips to give the look of other retards agreeing with you.
Everyone can see what you are doing.
And yes we all Hate you. while I actually wish you death.
>it would seem as though a great many others would likely get the boot as well.
Nope just you.

>>340580
>Being a liar and being a dull tool
And you still wonder why you generate hate towards yourself and the shit you spout.

>>340580
First, I am not the only one who has posted anti-antisemitic rhetoric. Second, how would you even know for certain that there is only one person doing it? Third, it seems as though there is a lot of hatred on this board for more than just the people in question.

>>340586
If there is more than one person I hate you all, because of your actions as a liar and a waste of effort.

>>340586
>First, I am not the only one who has posted anti-antisemitic rhetoric
literally yes you are. you just changed your ip. god you are the worst glow nigger in the world.
>Second, how would you even know for certain that there is only one person doing it?
We have Functioning Brains.
It's just you. your posting style is very recognizable, you are not slick, you are not clever, you are not intelligent. i want you to be decomposing in the ground you retarded glow nigger.
>Third, it seems as though there is a lot of hatred on this board for more than just the people in question.
>people
Person, Singular. You.
>Pic Related
It's you right now

>>340593
>literally yes you are. you just changed your ip.
What are you talking about?
>god you are the worst glow nigger in the world.
No, I think that honor would go to >>340038 →.
>We have Functioning Brains.
And I think a functioning brain would notice that a (You) only appears for posts made by the same person.

>>340597
>What are you talking about?
Said the liar
>No, I think that honor would go to >340038
Literally no. It's you. your IQ must be sub 80
>And I think a functioning brain would notice that a (You) only appears for posts made by the same person.
>GUISE I DON'T USE A VPN TO CHANGE MY IP THERES NO (YOU)s BY THOSE POSTS I MADE ON ANOTHER IP
You must think everyone here is retarded as you are.

>>340586
>First, I am not the only one who has posted anti-antisemitic rhetoric
Nobody cares, and KYS.

>>340598
>Literally no. It's you. your IQ must be sub 80
The other guy was talking smack about his coworkers and somehow found out his eye color. It’s almost as though he is a really bad KGB agent who’s tracking an American citizen working with a Russian defector.

>>340608
No one cares. i would take a literal KGB agent over your Retarded self.

>>340502
>but they really just hate all heirarchies that do not artificially place them above better people and power structures that they cannot control.
https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs
exactly as described, as usual. opposition to hierarchy is always just wanting a different, incorrect hierarchy.
>no more foreigners on our soil.
you will never get your way. not only will I and others like me always vote against you toothless chav gits, but I'll fight if I have to as well. you may not have Britain back.
>The divershitty experiment has failed. Those responsible must be punished. Those part of the experiment must go home.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report
oh look, it's us who are doing the child abuse, us whites, not immigrants. just shove off, go shiv someone you bald tattooed faggot.
>>340520
>An interracial relationship is not any more healthy than a relationship between a man and a monkey.
excuse me, have you SEEN English women? there's no way I'm touching that, they're revolting. makeup about an inch thick, fat rolls cascading down the chin, yellowed and charred teeth, frazzled thin hair and eyes obscured by artificial eyelashes almost as long as their bladelike nails.
>>340546
yeah, and most communists are White. tells you something about your own race, huh?
>>340555
>Or do you deny the difference between a white engineer and a sub-80 IQ nigger who can't even farm right
yes, absolutely. you even said he's an engineer, that's an environmental condition in and of itself. you can make anybody into anything with the right environment.
>>340563
>imagine having such severe cognitive dissonance that you refuse to accept that biology plays a factor in behavior.
but it differs wildly even within one race. "whites" include about 5 different haplogroups that just sort of vaguely look a little similar, thus they're declared a race, meanwhile the gap between amygdala size largely defines the conservative/liberal divide in america, particularly amongst whites. why not gas the small amygdalas, since those are the whites who will turn out liberal? it's a biological difference, so to you that's enough to declare them another race entirely.
>>340578
some of us like to be hated. I particularly thirst for other white anglos to hate me.

@340841
low tier bait. you denied.

>most communists are jews
Ftfy

>>340858
It appears that there is a scarcity of pony pussy in this thread!
I wonder why.

>>340890
Probably because there is a dedicated thread for it even though I think there should be more of them. It may be off-topic to post such images here, though I would probably imagine commiehorse being welcome.

>>340922
lay off, more ponypussy now

>>340922
>It may be off-topic to post such images here
Not according to Rule #3.

>>340956
But off-topic posting is forbidden if a recent encounter with a poster of a bloody anime face with an off-topic subject is any indication; the post was reported and subsequently deleted.

>>340960
It's rule #10.

>>340963
No, it’s the second bullet point of rule 3. I don’t know where this “rule 10” thing even came about or originated from, though we used to have rules 1 and 2, so maybe the ordering just changed.
>>340964
Rule 4 says that posts that appeal to emotion are forbidden, so posts that attempt to appeal to our sex drives rather than our senses of logic and reason are likely forbidden as well. I didn’t make the rules, but it sounds rather contradictory to “rule 10”, so my guess is that off-topic pony porn posting is forbidden, but other kinds may be allowed.

>>340967
Perhaps you missed it before.
Here you have it still bigger.

>>340967
Ponies are allowed, no exceptions. To try an add an exception out of a separate exception under a different rule is to violate rule #3. The existence of the other rules being referenced is also a good newfag detector, so I suggest doing some lurking and gather what these are and the history of the site as well. It is worth the effort.

>>340967
Found the newfag.

>>340922
>Implying horse pussy could at any point whatsoever not be needed in a thread
My original point still remains, filly vagina is supreme!

post largest horse pussy

more pony pussy pls

Jews be like

>>342586
all of those organisations are reformist
that's only compatible with Bernsteinism, which is not a very popular current in Communist thought

>>342668
Reformist? Explain.

>>342670
the vast majority of communists are Leninists, this means that they reject any interaction with electoralism except to spread their views. think of the Republicans in Northern Ireland who refuse to take their seats, it's like that, Leninists will never work within an existing system, only seek to overthrow it. the anti-Leninist Marxists, a comparatively very small group, also is mostly composed of unconditional revolutionaries like the Leninists, their main qualm being that Lenin was not revolutionary ENOUGH. then there's the second biggest group of these, who are a mixture of orthodox and centrist Marxists. centrism in Marxism means being open either to Reform or Revolution, mainly because Marx himself was open to both, but they are generally extremely skeptical of using the democratic process and tend to view it as merely an outlying possibility. so we come to the only Marxist tendency that truly believes in engaging with the electoral process and changing the system from within: the followers of Eduard Bernstein. Bernstein was highly influential on the German SPD and the development of Social Democracy, which was originally in the postwar era a highly Marxist ideology, but over time Social Democratic parties rejected not only Marxism but Socialism generally. today, the only party that follows the line of Bernstein is the Japanese Communist Party.
tl;dr Marxist Communists almost never will work within a system to overthrow it.

>>342854
Then they realistically stand little chance of being heard.

>>342856
realism doesn't really come into Marxist consideration - they are historical determinists, after all. it's an interesting project, to try and build a science of history, but it's just not something that can be done.
the left today in any real sense of political power is devoid of Marxism, which, whether reformist or revolutionary, is relegated strictly to the outermost fringes, where it spits acidic bitterness at the rest of the left and the left occasionally kicks it back into it's corner with articles on Marx's racism or the imperialism of the USSR.

>>342889
"A science of history"?

>>343995
Marxism has a really wacky and mega complicated conception of history as a series of ying-yang style power struggles, dialectical materialism. It's this kike thing of obfuscation by abstraction. It's where you get proles vs. bourgeos as this meme, and commies genuinely convinced themselves that if you remove this struggle, the state will "wither away", crime will stop, and everyone will share and work as they can

https://www.britannica.com/topic/dialectical-materialism
>All things contain contradictory sides or aspects, whose tension or conflict is the driving force of change and eventually transforms or dissolves them. But whereas Hegel saw change and development as the expression of the world spirit, or Idea, realizing itself in nature and in human society, for Marx and Engels change was inherent in the nature of the material world.

>>344013
But there is so much human history that doesn't fit into the rich vs poor dynamic.
And anyway, how is taking over a country, plundering its wealth, executing dissenters, and enslaving its workers and business owners while denying both economic freedom supposed to create a classless society? If one class is allowed to use theft and violence to enforce its will and redistribute resources while the underclass has to shut up and accept it or go to the gulag, that's a fucking massive class divide.