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Occupied Equestria - Into No Pony's Land
Anonymous
KnZni
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No.103001
Set six years after season 6, Occupied Equestria presents an alternative history where the Changelings have conquered half of Equestria, while a former Equestrian colony - soured to Princess Twilight's notion of harmony with all creatures because of their encounters with griffins - Invaded and took the other half. In Baltimare and the Equestrian Southeast, the magic of friendship has weakened, as Communists, Changeling infiltrators, Fascists, gangs, and corrupt creepy politicians threaten the city. This role play is based in large part upon the Equestria at War mod for Hearts of Iron 4, and uses D&d 3.5e mechanics

In the North, in Bales, Brie has just aquired a carriage with which he shall make the journey into the Changeling Occupied Zone, alongt with Spark and Onyx. In Baltimare, Dark Star recouperates from injuries sustained in a near fatal encounter with a Changeling opperative. Silver helps treat two traumatized orphans, and Iron examines ancient secrets in the Jungles
1697 replies and 144 files omitted.
DS
WPvVB
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No.103418
103419
>>103415
"That is... A Intriguing Question. let's hope he talks."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103419
103420 103421 103449
>>103416
The next exhibit is a watery one, with a large set of blackish rocks at the bottom, but no foliage yet visible

>>103417
“... No

>>103418
She sighs
“Getting then to talk can be difficult... I think I could have made that Worker sing
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
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No.103420
103422
>>103419
"Now, I wonder what this will be."
Anonymous
Q30xk
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No.103421
103422
>>103419
Iron frowns, kicking a pebble in the way.
"Damn."
He looks at her saddlebags.
"How much are you carrying?"

Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103422
103423 103430
>>103421
“I’m carrying what I brought, plus the rifle and the ammunition”

>>103420
It’s pretty plain, until the rocks start to move
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103423
103424
>>103422
Nodding, his mouth flattens.
(This means that the pots must be extracted.)
"So, what is you opinion on the ponies in front of us?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103424
103425
>>103423
“I do not trust either of them”
Anonymous
Q30xk
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No.103425
103426
>>103424
"I understand. They are taking what should be ours."
He frowns.
"Did you speak with Pear when I dived in the stream to reach the other side?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103426
103427
>>103425
“Only briefly. She tried to talk to me about history”
Q30xk
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No.103427
103428
[1d20 = 2]
>>103426
He nods
(She's cold to her. Hopefully Pear doesn't 'convince' her to shoot her)
Using his limited empathy, he tries to gauge for as many reasons as possible to explain her distrust.
Apart from potentially taking our rightful loot.
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103428
103429
>>103427
https://youtu.be/g3iFJpGJiug
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103429
103431
>>103428
His frown is quite noticeable.
(She is such a good secret keeper. I guess I will have to ask directly. Hopefully she does not have to conceal any sort of hidden motives.)
"What makes you distrust the mare in particular?"
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103430
103432
>>103422
Silver indeed takes notice of this. "Are there creatures underneath rocks? Or are rocks themselves creatures?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103431
103435
>>103429
“I never trust the bourgeois. And she’s so quiet, following along without saying much”
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103432
103433
>>103430
Oh, it’s the rocks themselves. Below Silver is a massive crocodile, which is almost rocky in its exterior appearance
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103433
103434
>>103432
"Oh, I think I have heard about this one, before, actually." Silver most certainly would not want to face one of these in the wild.
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103434
103436
>>103433
Mint Marine:
“It’s a cragodile!”
Mint is excite
Anonymous
Q30xk
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No.103435
103437
>>103431
"I do not think we have that much in common to talk about with her. Still, she does not seem too suspicious."
He looks over Pear's form.
"Is bourgeois related to her job and state of life? She seems quite frustrated with it."
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103436
103437 103439
>>103434
"Yes, those!" Silver looks at the cragodile. "It looks like very big specimen."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103437
103438 103451
>>103435
“She works indoors teaching things that happened long ago... I don’t trust that as a career”

>>103436
“It’s big alright!”
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103438
>>103437
That causes him to cock his head.
"Why?"
(Would she trust the elders then?)
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103439
103440
>>103436
She waves a hoof
“Doesn’t seem like honest work to me”
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103440
103441
>>103439
Iron nods.
"But she seems to know what she is talking about. Does that not make it the slightest bit honest?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103441
103442
>>103440
She waves the hoof again in front of her face
“Oh, nevermind”
Q30xk
?
No.103442
103443
[1d20 = 19]
>>103441
Iron blinks in confusion
(It is time for empathy to tell me what she feels. Hopefully.)
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103443
103444
>>103442
Feels about what? About Iron or about Pear?
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103444
103445
>>103443
Pear.
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103445
103446
>>103444
Cauldron’s distrust in Pear seems to be two fold. The first is a general contempt for the concept of a liberal arts professor, rooted in the belief that certain groups of “intellectuals” are a part of a parasitic class that produces next to nothing of value, while being weak and having a sort of arrogance about it.

The next issue, and the more serious one, is that Cauldron doesn’t really know Pear well, and she does not trust what she does not know. To her, Pear is kind of mysterious. Who is she exactly? How did she escape the bandits? Why is she following Iron and Cauldron? Why is she talking to some guy who evidently collaborated with the bandits, and evidently wants to take the treasure? All of these surround the questions of what does she want and what does she know that we do not? All of these questions can have perfectly innocuous answers, but they may not.

Thus, Cauldron doesn’t fully trust her
Anonymous
Q30xk
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No.103446
103447
>>103445
Ah, so it's a mix of lack of respect for her profession due to other ponies in her work do next to nothing and expect to be respected for it and simple lack of knowledge about her motives and facts she hasn't shared, as well as being against our inmediate interests.
He nods, now understanding her reasoning.
"The gods set this up for us. Her part of the deal was accomplished. We have little to worry about."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103447
103448
>>103446
Something to that effect
“Very well...”
Cauldron doesn’t sound perfectly convinced
Q30xk
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No.103448
103450
[1d20 = 13]
>>103447
I don't expect her to. Speaking of being convinced...
Iron decides to feel how has his relationship with Cauldron changed after dealing with the bandit menance.
DS
Oj3mF
?
No.103449
103450
>>103419
"maybe we can use the same play we used last time."
he puts his hoof to his chin in thought
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103450
103453 103472
>>103449
“What do you mean? The jail interrogation?”

>>103448
She seems more comfortable around Iron now
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103451
103452
>>103437
Silver smiles at seeing Mint so excited about the cragodile. "I wonder: how rock-like is it actually? Or are those just scales with rocky-appearance to help it ambush prey better?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103452
103455
>>103451
The gragodile opens its mouth as it swims along, and produces a “rurrr”

Mint Marine: “I think it’s more rock like...”
Anonymous
Q30xk
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No.103453
103454
>>103450
Iron grins to himself.
(All is going according to plan.)

Alright. I think I am ready to tackle pot 'negotiation' and know at least some possible outcomes such as
a)Cauldron shoots both Grant and Pear, which hopefully doesn't happen
b)Both exploration ponies back off from being injured when she aims her equipment at them
c)Grant reveals he was the bandit leader all along, contracting them to make sure he got all the treasure to himself, essentially justifying his death, but adds the possibility of getting us fucked over unless Cauldron can withstand more shots than Grant and/or Pear pulls a power move against him.
d)Iron proclaims he and his partner are the ponies responsible for reaching the inside of the temple, triggering the empathy of the exploration team, hopefully not having to spill anything vital and leaving in relative good terms. I find the last one doubtful tbh

Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103454
103456
>>103453
e) Grant gives Iron a single punch, with -1 modifier in damage because of low strength, and Iron collapses in defeat
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103455
103457
>>103452
"What interesting creature."
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103456
103459
>>103454
True, but I'm not counting on Iron defeating them with his magestic muscles.
It would also aggro Cauldron into shooting him, so I think that would, eventually, turn in my favor. However, I think I know what you're implying. Either rest or pull out a potion of cure minor wounds. Let's try the latter while we're on the move.

Iron looks at his striped partner.
"Do you have any magic drinks to make me feel better?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103457
103458
804B37A2-43D0-459E-9549-146DA245D40D.png
>>103455
“Oh yes, there are many interesting creatures out there”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103458
103459
>>103457
Silver looks to Mint Marine. "Do you know any other interesting facts about them?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103459
103460 103461
6E494DFB-D34D-4927-AAD7-05B105873B8D.png
>>103458
“They have incredibly powerful bites, and live in swampy environments...”

>>103456
“You’ve consumer a lot already. I have part of a container”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103460
103462
>>103459
"I am glad it is down there, outside of its meal range."
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103461
103462
>>103459
That's a scary croc
He's rock-hard.
"If it makes me able to at least land an actual punch instead of a poke on somepony, I will take at least part of that part."
Iron is reminded of Cauldron's one wound on her chest.
"You could take the other part in order to be at full strength."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103462
103463 103464
>>103461
>>103461
There’s only part left

>>103460
And a good thing the foals are up there
“Yeah, imagine being in there with them. I’m just fine staying at a distance”
White Orchid too is leaning on the railing and looking over
Anonymous
Q30xk
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No.103463
103465
>>103462
Darn. Now I feel guilty.
Iron reluctantly nods.
"Alright, I will drink it."
How much HP do I get? A 1d6? Half health?
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103464
103465
>>103462
"This was not what I originally had in mind when I thought 'exotic', but this is still nice." He looks between the two colts. "Should we see next exhibit?"
KnZni
?
No.103465
103466 103468
[1d8+2 = 10]
>>103463
Let’s say this much

>>103464
Onwards!

This new enclosure is at almost ground level, with bars in the side looking in, and concrete walls above that. It’s larger, more open, and with deciduous trees planted inside
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103466
103467
>>103465
>10 HP
Not bad.
Iron is now partly energized and ready to throw down against any attempt from the expedition ponies from taking the loot.
"Thank you, Cauldron," he whispers. "You are a lifesaver."
KnZni
?
No.103467
103469
>>103466
I was hoping for less, but that is the risk of the dice
She smiles
“And the way you work, you need one”

\r
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103468
103470
>>103465
"This seems more like temperate environment. But what are concrete walls for?"
Anonymous
Q30xk
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No.103469
103470
>>103467
You can make the posh pony a bit more stronger if you want, like a +1 or +2. Crit damage with a 3 would instantly knock Iron out in one hit.
Iron chuckles, then smiles back.
"I am glad it is you."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103470
103471 103473
>>103469
Now why would I limit his powers to punching? He’s a Unicorn, and he’s wearing clothing that has never been searched. He can shoot a laser beam from his horn, then pull out a concealed pistol, then swing a telekinetic sword, then pull a grenade out from under his hat
“Now what are we doing?”

>>103468
“To keep them in”

Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103471
103474
>>103470
"Keep what in, though?"
DS
yCdfI
?
No.103472
103474
>>103450
"yeah perhaps,it would work again."
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103473
103474
>>103470
That is true. It'll still be a 2v1 where hopefully one of us takes him down, unless Pear prefers her own partner instead of the two foreigners that stole some history from her and has a weapon too.
"Since they are ahead of us, they will most definitely reach the pots first. If they leave them be and explore deeper into the cavern, we simply pick them up and leave. If they pick it up or are guarding it, we point out we are the reason we even made the temple explorable so we deserve the pots. If that does not work, we turn to intimidation. Failing that..." A little drop of sweat. "I am not sure to kill them or knock them out."

Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103474
103475 103476 103477
>>103471
And there Silvet sees it, lying lethargically on a rock under the sun: a large lion, but with back wings, horns, and the tail of a scorpion. From its mannerisms, it doesn’t look very threatening, merely resting lazily. But it’s where size, muscles, and sharp teeth show its potential.

>>103472
“But he’s seen you”

>>103473
She tilts her head, evidently as puzzled as Iron is
“Well then”

The ponies ahead have disappeared out of line of sight
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103475
>>103474
"We will have to improvise for that last part."
Iron feels the urge to pick up the pace, going from a walk to a trot.
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103476
103478
>>103474
"Is that manticore?"
DS
yCdfI
?
No.103477
103478
>>103474
"He's seen me and he thinks i'm with his gang."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103478
103479 103480
>>103477
“But he got arrested immediately there after, so he will know something is up”

>>103476
“Yes it is!”
Both colts are excited to see a live manticore

DS
yCdfI
?
No.103479
103481
>>103478
"i'll be ""Arrested"" too."
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103480
103481
>>103478
Silver is kind of excited, too. "I have never seen one of these up close. Look at size of that stinger..."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103481
103482 103485
>>103479
“He was in the car after you got shot...”

>>103480
It’s pretty huge.
“They say these things can swallow a pony whole”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103482
103483
>>103481
Silver looks down at the size of his own body. "I think it might need two bites to eat me."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103483
103484
>>103482
“Hehe”
Mint Marine laughs
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103484
103486 103487
>>103483
Silver smiles at that. "It seems content, just laying there."
DS
yCdfI
?
No.103485
103486
>>103481
"was he? i don't remember much except you dragging me out of there."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103486
103487 103488 103489
>>103484
“He doesn’t look like he has to worry about anything”

>>103485
“He saw you and me together in the back, then you confronted him, then he was ambushed by me as he left, then he was in the back seat as you came in shot and mentioned you killed his partner, who was a disguised Worker. He was arrested by me, and I took him to the blackhooves after dropping you off”
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103487
>>103484
>>103486
He's also quite bored about his life.
DS
yCdfI
?
No.103488
103490
>>103486
"well there goes one way to interrogate him, Damn."
He Goes Back to eating his pancakes
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103489
103490
>>103486
"He probably does not. I wonder how long he has been here."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103490
103491 103493 103509
>>103488
“There are ways of extracting information, it just takes more less time, and creativity”

>>103489
“I... don’t know... doesn’t seem too bad to me”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103491
103492 103494
>>103490
"I suppose so. Should we leave him be to look at next creature?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103492
103494 103502
>>103491
“Well, we could”
DS
yCdfI
?
No.103493
103495
>>103490
"hmmmmmm?"
he continues to eat
Anonymous
Q30xk
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No.103494
>>103492
>>103491
Nah bro. JUMP IN TO GIVE IT A HUG!
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103495
103496 103556
>>103493
“Well, some-pony wise cousins interrogate him, he could be offered a deal or some sort of incentive or threat, and so forth”
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103496
>>103495
I hope he's not into torture, because it could be quite hard to take information out of him if it is.
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103502
103503 103504
>>103492
Silver tilts his head. "It is your decision. What do you want to do?"
Anonymous
Q30xk
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No.103503
103505
>>103502
Dangit Silver. Why do you post the moment I posted?
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103504
103507
>>103502
"Sure"
"Yes"
They get a last look at the Manticore, before moving along
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103505
>>103503
'Cause /pol/eague and post-/pol/eague shenanigans. In fact, I still need to drawfag something related to that.
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103507
103508
>>103504
"So many interest creatures in this zoo. I can only wonder as to what is next."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103508
103512
>>103507
In the next pin, there is not only thick bars, but a thick glass-like substance, perhaps plastic around a smaller enclosure. This one is dominated by grass. Inside, are multicolored blue, pink, and red hedgehog-like creatures
Ds "EdgeBoi"
spsXr
?
No.103509
103510 103511
>>103490
"Well, i guess thats true."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103510
103511
>>103509
For the moment, Skies is left silent
Novice Pussy Handler
Q30xk
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No.103511
>>103510
>>103509
Now propose using chaining the prisoner into a bed and have him suffer the wrath of a single drop of water falling on his forehead. That'll break him
Silver "The Floof" Star
7MBpK
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No.103512
103537
>>103508
"Well, it seems like little bit excessive, but knowing what we have seen so far, perhaps there is more than meets eye with these."
Anonymous
KnZni
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No.103513
103514 103516
371792.png
Alright, so I have gone through the 4 countries in the “Burning Sea” update and have thought through how their cultures would affect military occupation and eventual colonization by an expansionist New Mareland.

The best country in the group for any would-be colonizer is The Free Towns of Gryphus. Gryphus is a region that was lightly populated by settlers from the Gryphian host and then colonized by a trading company from Sicameon. It’s sort of like the Hanseitic League. Since, knights from the Herzland have joined as well, and they own considerable land. Now the society is split between the Company, Natives, and the Knights, as well as Free cities that are probably associated with the Company, but I can’t be sure. The society overwhelmingly is dominated by the company on top, then the knights, then the natives, and they all speak different languages. This society is basically ideal for any colonizing power, because it’s so divided and top-heavy. First off, eliminate the knights. This should be easy, because many of them should be killed or captured in the initial conquest, and those remaining can be given the choice to accept a more obscure roll in society, leave the country, become essentially a local lord under a higher colonial authority, or accept a position in the Territorial Army. The fifth choice, fight and die, is one that could preserve their dignity, but also one that anti-partisan forces can handle quickly.

The Company can and should be cannibalized in the same way, with those at the top removed and replaced with Pony corporations and executives, many of the workers and leaders forced back into the general population, and some executives integrated under pony leadership, or perhaps even left in place as equals (if desirable). Confiscation of property may not be wholly necessary if New Mareland companies, coming from a richer, more technologically advanced, are able to outcompete the Gryphus company to begin with. The natives, and maybe a working proletariat class, should be beneficiaries of a portion of any power or wealth taken from the other two classes. The Gryphian language, for instance, should be elevated, and the country divided into autonomous areas giving more relative power and land to these lower classes. Hopefully, this lowest class should be placated by their elevation. Illiteracy is moderate in the country, and it’s a bit poorer, leaving room for improvement in the lives of its inhabitants. Free Towns can be either given more autonomy, or integrated as needed. The interior area of the country is only lightly inhabited, and thus may be suitable for Pony settlement

The County of Cyanolisia is almost as suitable. The area of Cyanolisia is historical Minotaur territory that was conquered by the Griffonian Empire. A Griffin noble class was installed to rule the country, with the costal areas being dominated by griffin towns, and the inland area, the “Outback,” being basically a no-go-zone for the griffin population, as it is inhabited entirely by unruly Minotaurs. The griffin population is ordered hierarchically, with an unelected count, a separate military, a “capitalist” class, and presumably a lower social level of griffins. Griffins are a minority, with Minotaurs at minimum being 55% of the population, perhaps even 90%. The country is in basically perpetual insurgency, and at fear of invasion by neighboring Minotauria. There are multiple opportunities here, including simply replacing the top of the Griffin nobility and capitalist classes with Ponies and continuing the status quo, reducing the status of Griffins and raising the status of Minotaurs such that the two groups are somewhat balanced and the colonial administration is on top and mediating, deport the entire griffin population and grant the Minotaurs semi-autonomy, hoping they’ll be grateful, and give the country over to The Republic of Asterion in exchange for an alliance.

The next country, however, is absolutely terrible for colonization, that being The Republic of Asterion. Asterion was founded by the Minotaurs, who migrated there from the area that is now Nimbusia to escape Pony rule. The founded a number of colonies that became a confederated republic, before that was turned into a monarchy after unrest. The mainland colonies were invaded and colonized by the expanding Griffonian empire, and later, the islands of Minotauria were conquered as well, and placed under a puppet regime for ~170 years, until the fall of the Griffonian Empire allowed them to regain independence as a republic. Society is relatively equal among classes and racially homogenous, although the various minotaur tribes disagree with and dispute each other. However, the Minotaurs are united in an irredentism towards the former possessions on the mainland, an opposition to Monarchy, and against any kind of foreign occupation. The determination of the inhabitants not be subjugated, as well as the absence of racial or class divisions for a colonizer to exploit, makes Asterion very difficult to hold indefinitely. The country does at least have extensive tribal divisions that may be exploited.

It may be asked whether Asterion needs to be conquered at all, and the biggest reason it would be is because it has the largest supply of rubber in Southern Griffonia, as well as very respectable steel and tungsten reserves that could hardly be passed up. Perhaps one option in dealing with Asterion is to force it into an alliance as a junior member, perhaps after conquering the islands, installing a fascist government, taking control of the natural resources, then giving Cyanolisia over to a newly “independent” Asterion to form a “greater Asterion” under the direction of New Mareland. This would be at least somewhat comparable to Hungary in WW2, which joined Germany as it regained territory lost in the treaty of Trianon.
Novice Pussy Handler
Q30xk
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No.103514
>>103513
So basically, Cyanolisia, Gryphus and the Company will, inevitably, be controlled by superior horsepower and using their diversity of races and current ruling powers to subjugate while the last one cannot be annexed without some serious extermination. Am I reading this right?
Anonymous
KnZni
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No.103515
103516 103517
341983.jpeg
And now we get to the worst of the four countries to try to colonize: The Federated Parishes of Sicameon. Sicameon began its existence 750 years before present, when a number of syndicalist… communes? Whatever the hell the subunits of Syndicalism are, “parishes” I guess. Anyways, they formed a confederation together to help resist invasions by foreign powers. Eventually, they were conquered by the Griffonian Empire under Emperor Grover the somethingth, and the country was made into a duchy. However, the population resisted the Griffonian Empire, destroying armories, assassinating officials and so forth, until the Griffonian Empire withdrew after an occupation of 80 years or less. (I wonder if this is a reference to the Dutch winning independence from Spain after the 80 years war). Sicameon is thus the only country to win its independence from Imperial rule through resistance prior to the revolution.

Sicameon continues to be an independent federated republic of syndicates, although it’s more centralized now, and it still instills patriotism through national holidays celebrating its independence. It relies primarily on militias for defense, which of course means more disciplined, trained, and possible armed griffins for possible partisan actions. The economy is relatively egalitarian, the nation is racial homogenous except for a few Minotaur migrant workers. The country is fairly advanced by Griffonian standards, and fairly industrialized. It’s actually pretty close to perfect with very few problems that need solving, so much so that Sicameon rely feels out of place in My Little Pony generally – where griffins are portrayed as being less well off than ponies – and in Equestria at War especially, where pretty much every country on the planet has something seriously wrong with it. The only problem Sicameon has is pirates and mafia, with there being an option for the Mafia to corrupt the government and sort of take control. The existence of bandits, mafia, and pirates isn’t necessarily good for a colonial government, as they can be a whole new faction to fight or contribute to arms trafficking to partisans. The country has a large navy that it is easy to imagine refuses to surrender and instead goes to a foreign nation. If Hippogryphia, for instance, were a hostile power, it’s conceivable that it could send arms to nearby Sicameon.

It’s worth asking why you would invade Sicameon in the first place, rather than just leave it free or leave it to Wingbardy. Unfortunately Wingbardy must always be conquered as New Mareland as it always attacks sooner or later. Sicameon, on the Historical path, forms a pact with Asterion and thus must be attacked to attack that nation (which will also justify a war goal against New Mareland if New Mareland holds Cyanolisia… which is the only option for a port expanding East). Harmonic nations have a nasty tendency to intervene in every war of conquest not done by a Harmonic power no matter where it is on the planet. There’s also the fact that Sicameon is right along the path from New Mareland towards the East, and thus sort of necessary for the ports and supply lines. It has a great set of factories, even as the resources are lack luster. Simply, there’s not much sense in leaving it alone, especially if it attacks first. At the same time, there are not many options for subduing it. It cannot be colonized in a normal matter. As a fully independent Republic, it will recognize being given the status as an autonomous district or a vassal state as inferior to its proper station, and even occupying until the danger passes, then granting it independence is questionable, as republics of that sort tend to hold national grudges for extended periods of time.

The least bad option with Sicameon, I think, is to do to it basically what America did with Cuba. Conquer Sicameon, and annex a tiny area for the exclusive purpose of creating a naval base. Take the most important industries, and deliver them to New Mareland based corporations. Then, place the Mafia in power. The whole country would be ruled by a mafia cabal, while New Mareland industries can exploit the resources. Nominally, Sicameon might be entirely independent, while being open to New Mareland citizens, corporations, and interests. Cuba in the first half of the twentieth century, especially under Batista, was pretty much exactly this.
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103516
103517
613372.jpg
>>103515
>>103513
That, of course, is assuming alternatives are possible. The final option is one I like to call, “Operation Enduring Occupation.” That is, just accept that no long term colony, nor amiable puppet state can be created, and the only way to deal with a subject territory is through indefinite military occupation. This is of course the worst option, because it definitely requires a number of military forces as garrison and probably dooms the territory to eternal partisan warfare, but at least it allows resources to be extracted, infrastructure to be used for logistics, a portion of industrial production to be taken through exactions, and some troops to be raised as territorials.

Let’s use some historical comparisons to try to understand how many troops would be necessary for a military occupation. The German Occupied Zone of France, in 1941, had a population of 25 Million, and had a German occupation force of 100,000. (This is before the Commando raids, so those probably aren’t defending from naval invasion). As another point of comparison, Iraq had a population of 31 million in 2009, and the maximum number of U.S. troops ever to be stationed in Iraq was 180,000 in late 2007. This sounds like a reasonable number of soldiers even for a small nation like New Mareland, as most of the subject territories are also small. There are a little more than 4 million inhabitants in Sicameon, and 6 million in Minotauria. (For comparison, the entirely of East Equestria is probably about 28 million). This means something like 40-60 thousand soldiers could garrison Sicameon and Minotauria combined.

That is, of course, assuming the situation is less bad than a complete revolt. To use more pessimistic figures, in 1920 the Mandate of Iraq had a population of 3 million, but perhaps 135 thousand British and Territorial soldiers were required to put down the mass revolts. (Some say those numbers are way too high. Also, the British won in only a few months). The Mandate of Syria in 1925 had a population of just over 1.7 Million, and a little over 14,000 French soldiers. That number ballooned to 50,000 in 1926 to put down the revolt that occurred there. In 1943, in Operation Case Black, 137,000 Axis soldiers were involved in an operation to try to put down partisans in Yugoslavia, which had a population of 15 million. (The operation failed).

So that's something to think about.

Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103517
>>103516
>>103515
I assume extermination is not viable due to something akin to sapient rights?
Silver "The Floof" Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103524
103525 103526
Beep?
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103525
103527 103531
1224ffsbsvjv wgsjgtyhfdwebs235j482nf9s02h30s.jpeg
>>103524
Have a pic.
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103526
103528
EE9359E3-354A-4C33-9295-E5F3DDBA1018.png
>>103524
Art Thou a Sheep?
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103527
103529 103531
>>103525
>Anonymous of Ponyville
Ponyville confirmed as a town in Florida
Silver "The Floof" Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103528
>>103526
Beep.
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103529
103531 103532
1534050182438.jpg
>>103527
Absolute truth there.
Seeing how the town usually has a ton of monsters attacking it.
Ursa minor, wandering magician turned megalomaniac superpony, random zebra making the townsponies cower in fear in their homes, Bugbear, a giant castle that sprung from the ground.
It's definitely Florida, now that you mention it.
Anonymous
Rd99U
?
No.103531
>>103525
>>103527
>>103529
Oh my god, every episode can be described as a Florida man does X article.
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103532
103533
>>103529
I was going to object to the giant castle popping out of the ground being something that never happens in Florida, but then I remembered hearing about some weird loner immigrant guy who built an entire castle all by himself in Florida, and was sometimes claimed to use supernatural or strange magnetic powers to do it. Also there's the Disney World castle appearing out of the swamp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle
https://youtu.be/T7_Ip_h27Us?t=110
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103533
>>103532
I'm expecting to see a Florida man headline for Ponyville on the newspaper now.
>"Ponyville Pony shed a Manitcore's hair off and made a doormat out of it"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103534
103535 103536
So accomplishing something tonight may be possible
Silver "The Floof" Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103535
>>103534
It certainly is within that realm.
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103536
IMG_20190120_135157.png
>>103534
I don't think I can participate this time, sadly.
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103537
103542
>>103512
The hedgehogs move about, before noticing Silver through the scratched, plastic wall
Anonymous
5qnX4
?
No.103538
103539
Has Brie and co disembarked yet?
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103539
103540
>>103538
Yes, just chose the destination.

Again, the options are to cross the river into a town on the other side, then go through customs or try to jump the wall, to cries a bridge directly into customs, or to try to cross the river further north or south and attempt to avoid being noticed
Anonymous
5qnX4
?
No.103540
103541
>>103539
I thought we were resolved to Customs
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103541
103543
>>103540
Alright, take a pick of where
Silver "The Floof" Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103542
103549
>>103537
The scratches are a bit alarming, but he waves at them anyways.
Anonymous
5qnX4
?
No.103543
103547
>>103541
What do you mean where? Following the map along the most civilized and paved >road toward customs, and then from there onward - making detours as necessary - opting for the most paved route from our location to the Hive in question, assuming that last part is determinable from the map/directions acquired
5qnX4
?
No.103545
103547
[1d20-2 = -8]
Spot check
Anonymous
5qnX4
?
No.103546
There are other wisdom scores involved in the determination
Border Check Point
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103547
103548 103594 103768 103785 104388
>>103545
>>103543
Alright. Brie goes along a road that leads through the center of town. It's a well trafficked road with many ponies with carts - carts being definitely more popular than any mode of transport that is propelled by its own power - and past tall buildings, tenements, a library, and row houses, until the river front and a few derelict hotels are reached.

Here, at the riverfront, Brie encounters a bridge. There's something out of place, almost anamchronistic about this bridge, as one side of it has a set of turrets almost like a castle wall. Indeed, the red stone facade on this part of the bridge does have a couple low towers that makes the whole contruct resemble a medieval fortress. The bridge itself is a concrete or perhaps stone archway, about the equivalent of two lanes wide. Not much traffic passes on the bridge. At the center of the bridge, in a span perhaps two arches in length that lies between the bridge's two towers, the red stone turret stops, and the pavement of the bridge turns a subtly lighter shade of grey. This little span seems to mark a great change in the scenery moving forward. There are a number of buildings on the otherside, but these become increasingly likely to seem unoccupied, or perhaps even over occupied. A shop is abandoned and its windows broken, while a hotel seems to be converted into makeshift housing where more than one family shares a studio. Broken windows are common, as are buildings with great gashes and collapsed walls. Carts are fewer in number, but when they are seen, they are seen overloaded with grandfather clocks, suitcases, and farm animals, headed in the opposite direction. A couple ponies look on to Brie and company as the pass with evident curiosity or confusion.

As they progress further, they pass what was once the Red Fields Fire-station. Now, it has an automobile, and a small barbed wire barriacde around it, as well as a number of Griffins in military uniform. They wear a brown uniform that Brie has likely not seen before, as well as brown caps, and wear on their shoulders a green flag with yellow cross. This is hardly the last view of soldiers to be had, as Brie nears what seems to be the crossing point.

Just beyond a two story apartment building is what seems to have once been a road. "Once been," because there is now a wall spanning down its length. It's made of steel, including both plates and grated sections, and perhaps only 18 feet in height, but it's there. It's what's along this road that is more interesting. There is a guard tower on one end, and a number of ponies standing around. These ponies wear a light green uniform, and are accompanied by similar brown uniformed griffins. The Griffins stand around, sometimes bored, sometimes talking to each other, often smoking, but occassionaly taking careful note of the movements of a line of ponies in a fenced off section. It is this line of ponies that the uniformed ponies mind themselves with, as some uniformed ponies talk to the ponies, some shine lights in their eyes, and some look over papers, while still others search carts that are pulled through. The ponies themselves vary in appearence. Some look as anxious as a pony can be. Some are patient and look well off, often wearing relatively fancy clothing. More than a few look fatigued or even ill, though the ponies around them see no need to quarantine them. They may look famished.

Above this whole scene flies a flag that is not unfamiliar, though rarely seen flying. In some ways it resembles the Equestrian flag, the one with two princeses together in the center of blue field surrounded by stars. This one, however, has fewer stars, and the princesses are replaced by a pair of horse shoes. Whereas the Princesses of the Equestrian flag faced each other in evident unity, the two horsehoes of this flag face away from each other, though their backs meet in the middle. It's almost like a pair of horseshoe magnets back to back, polarizing that which is around them.

Brie himself heads towards a shorter line, mostly of better off ponies, heading towards a pair of ponies on the other side
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103548
103549
>>103547
Holy shit, that's a lot of text.
I think I can get into the game, actually. If you're up for it, of course.
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103549
103550 103563
>>103542
The little hedgehog things move along. Then they see Silver. They turn, one by one as if in a formation towards silver, and stand on two legs, silently. Then they arch their backs, and screech
"EEEK!"

>>103548
If Iron has moves, sure, but note that I want to have some more dialogue between Grant and Pear, which will have to come before it is interrupted by actions, and will take some time to type

Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103550
>>103549
>Iron has moves
I don't know what do you mean by that, but sure. I can wait to hear that dialog.
Anonymous
5qnX4
?
No.103551
103553
Squeegee
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103553
>>103551
Brie and company experience what is described in >>103547. He may move forward through the checkpoint, talk to players or accompanying NPCs, back the hell out, or take whatever other measures you can think of

Anonymous
Oj3mF
?
No.103556
103557
>>103495
Sorry i got drunk last night. and kinda lost track of the thread.
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103557
103558 103559
>>103556
I think that post was supposed to be “sompepony else could interrogate him.” Anyways, good to see you back. And stay away from alcohol, it’s bad for you. Unfortunately, I have to go to sleep right now.
Anonymous
Q30xk
?
No.103558
>>103557
Darn. Have good sleep.

Anonymous
Oj3mF
?
No.103559
>>103557
But Drink is fun. in all seriousness, i keep it light.GoodNight
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103560
103562 103563
508D64D4-6FED-4B30-B2DA-497B2A06EDAF.png
Is anyponer here this morning?
Anonymous
BtiMS
?
No.103562
103564
>>103560
I sort of am, but not for long.
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103563
103564
>>103560
I am.

>>103549
Silver's ears fold backwards at the sudden assault. "Well..."
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103564
103565 103566
211E417C-1B66-4784-A3C8-948A511336CD.png
>>103562
You said that last night
But more seriously, that’s fine. I’m still at work but have absolutely nothing to do

>>103563
One of the creatures turns its back towards Silver, and shoots a quill as a projectile in the direction of Silver and the colts. It hits the plastic, and is deflected. White Orchid moves back, while Mint Marine dives to hide under Silver behind his forelegs
Anonymous
BtiMS
?
No.103565
103567
>>103564
Real shit, I'm having a test today at midday. I somehow am still alive after sleeping for 3 hours.
Do you think you'll have your dialog ready when I come back in about 2 or 3 hours later?
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103566
103567
>>103564
Silver flinches in surprise, half-expecting to look down and see a quill stuck in his hide before he realizes that it was deflected. "I suddenly see why there is plastic screen." He looks first back to White Orchid, then down to Mint Marine between his forelegs. "Are you two alright?"
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103567
103568
>>103565
Oh shit! Well good luck. I am technically at work for these next three hours, including a long lunch break that shall be spent at a local taco place, so I will be posting from phone and may not have a long set of dialogue ready. But I’ll keep it in mind

>>103566
“Y-Yes” says Mint Marine, looking out. White Orchid has flinched as well, even if he did not dive for cover.
“... Pukwudgies”

One of the brightly colored little creatures leans forward and gives a “Raaah!” While two more must believe their business is concluded, as they turn away and start to wonder off.
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103568
103569
>>103567
"They seem like fairly aggressive creatures, for being so small and colorful."
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103569
103571
>>103568
“That, they are”
White Orchid is trembling a bit, and the Pukwudgies stare now
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103571
103572
>>103569
Silver takes note at how afraid the two colts are. "Should we leave them be and look at next exhibit?"
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103572
103574
>>103571
“Sure...”
Mint Marine takes another long look at the Jelly bean colored terrors before moving off

The next location is more open, with just a basic fence and some grass
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103574
103576
>>103572
"Hmm. Some kind of grassland creature?"
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103576
103577 103578
>>103574
The first creatures to be seen are little brown rabbits with antlers on them. They seem almost curious, and approach
Anonymous
Oj3mF
?
No.103577
103579
>>103576
Dark Star Continues eating
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103578
103579
>>103576
"I think I have heard of these before, but I can not think of name." He waves at the approaching rabbits. "Hello little ones."
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103579
103580 103581 103583
>>103577
I’m not sure what Blue Skies would have to say at this moment...

>>103578
They don’t say anything back to s Silver, though one of them blinks. The little foals come closer to the fence, and lean over it
“Jackalopes!” says White Orchid
Anonymous
BtiMS
?
No.103580
103582 103584 103585
>>103579
I am back with the angery. Feels ultimately bad man.
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103581
103585
>>103579
"Aw, yes, that is name." Silver does much the same as the foals, though all he needs to do is peer over the top of the fence. "Cute little things, these."
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103582
103586
>tfw you hit reply too early without replying to someone else

>>103580
That sucks to hear, Anon. I hope things get better for you soon.
Anonymous
Oj3mF
?
No.103583
>>103579
hmmmm
Anonymous
Oj3mF
?
No.103584
>>103580
F
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103585
103586 103587
>>103580
Well fuck, that sucks

>>103581
White Orchid leans a hoof forward, into the cage, in an attempt to pet one of the Jackalopes.
“No touching the animals” says a brown mare, who looks a big older and wrinkled, definitely skinny.
“Aww...”
Anonymous
BtiMS
?
No.103586
>>103585
>>103582
>No touching the animals
Touch the animal, Silver. Do it.
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103587
103588
>>103585
Silver lets out a chuckle and musses up the colt's mane. He remembers being like White Orchid, once. "Sorry, little one." He also waves to the mare as a friendly greeting.
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103588
103589
>>103587
She still has a serious look
“Aww...”
“Aww”

Now three of the Jackalopes have formed up
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103589
103590 103591
>>103588
It's difficult to resist such disappointed faces. But, rules are rules. "At least we get to see them. And it is not like you can not interact with them. You just can not touch them."
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103590
103591 103593
3A709472-97AF-4350-9E8A-0BF4D9B03FB2.png
>>103589

Anonymous
BtiMS
?
No.103591
>>103590
>>103589
Uh oh. The foals are pulling out their puppy eyes.
Shimmering Spark
EILIC
?
No.103592
103594
Did I miss Brie?
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103593
103595
>>103590
A strike right to the heartstrings. "Come on. We do not want to get in trouble and get kicked out, yes?"
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103594
>>103592
Shimmer observes, and now encounters, the scenes described in >>103547

Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103595
103596
9EE84A14-27E7-4F64-8F9E-541E64A3AF19.jpeg
>>103593
They hang their heads in defeat, yet another one in a life short, but overflowing with disappointments and unfairness
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103596
103597 103598
>>103595
He gives them a pat on the head, each. "Maybe some other day I will have to take you two to petting zoo."
Anonymous
BtiMS
?
No.103597
103599
>>103596
Are you offering your body to minors, Silver?
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103598
103599
>>103596
“Okay....”

Next, in a similar enclosure, giraffes are visible
“I’ve never seen a giraffe before...”
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103599
103600
>>103597
I'm not even gonna touch that sentence...

>>103598
"Neither have I. I have heard that were they come from in Zebrica, there are tall trees, so they needed long necks to be able to even eat."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103600
103601 103602
>>103599
"That's interesting. But how do their necks get long enough?"
At the moment, one walks up casually to a tree, and starts to rip leaves off
Anonymous
BtiMS
?
No.103601
>>103600
Extensive elongation exercises.
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103602
103603 103604
>>103600
"Maybe they just stretched their necks over and over again until they could finally reach leaves?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103603
103608
>>103602
“Maybe. Hehehe”
The giraffe reaches out for more leaves
Anonymous
BtiMS
?
No.103604
>>103602
Do a giraffe imitation!
Anonymous
BtiMS
?
No.103605
103606
Alright. It's nap time.
Taking some time for some actual shut-eye.
I'll check in again in the morning if you're up as wel.
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103606
>>103605
F
Silver
7MBpK
?
No.103608
103609
>>103603
"Hmm..." Silver stretches his neck up as far as it will go. "Am I doing it?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103609
103610
98F9DDF4-3FDC-40EE-BA60-957F8D36B488.png
>>103608
“Hehe” the little ponies giggle and laugh
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103610
103611
>>103609
After a few more seconds of stretching his neck up, he gives up. "Aw, well, I suppose I am still not giraffe. Yet."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103611
103612
>>103610
Mint Marine is laughing. White Orchid laughs as well, “if you keep it up, you will be able to eat free leaves someday too”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103612
103613
>>103611
"You make good point. I will keep practicing. Anyways, want to see next exhibit?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103613
103614
>>103612
“Sure!”
The giraffe looks back with an almost offended look at Silver and the foals.

The next area also has a low fence, and more grass
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103614
103615
>>103613
"Hmm, more Zebrican animals?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103615
103616
>>103614
Not necessarily. A giant tortoise lumbers through, slowly going towards a cabbage that has been placed on the ground
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103616
103617
>>103615
"That is one big reptile." Silver peers over the fence.
Anonymous
5CAAA
?
No.103617
103618
>>103616
it looks back over at Silver with a partial smile. It must be at least as tall as Mint Marine at the shoulders
“Woah”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103618
103619
>>103617
"I wonder where these tortoises live. I do not think I have even seen anything quite like this." He pauses for a second while that sinks in. "Now that I think of it, that is probably exact reason behind exotic animal exhibits in zoo."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103619
103620
>>103618
Mint Marine is a bit amazed
“I’ve heard they live on the islands far south of here... it’s nice to see one”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103620
103621
>>103619
Silver looks to Mint Marine. "How far south? Spa Islands? Or even further?"
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103621
103622
>>103620
“I think there are some on the Spa Islands... but some are further”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103622
103623 103625
>>103621
"Neat." He continues looking at the tortoise. "I do not know anything about lands further south of Spa Islands. I think I heard though that there is tribe of dragons on some islands far south of here, across ocean."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103623
103624
>>103622
“Oh yes... great big isle of dragons, and other dangerous creatures”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103624
>>103623
"Probably not very good vacation spot, but it sounds like okay place to see."
Anonymous
KnZni
?
No.103625
103626
>>103622
he looks at Silver and blinks
“Will you take me?”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
?
No.103626
103627
>>103625
The question surprises Silver. He most certainly wasn't expacting that question, out of the ones he would be expecting. "Uh...well, I do not if I will ever go, or get chance to go, but...I suppose if I ever do, I will come to you?"
Anonymous
KnZni
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No.103627
103628
>>103626
He wags his tail and smiles slightly
“I hope that if I do go, the creatures I meet are more like this tortoise than those Pukwudgies”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
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No.103628
103629
>>103627
This one he can work with better. "I would not think so. Especially if you go to take look at local marine life. I do not think Pukwudiges can swim." As expected 'Pukwudigies' is not a word that comes naturally to the Severyanan.
Anonymous
KnZni
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No.103629
103630
>>103628
It may not slip off the tip of the younger, but the terror instilled in the last encounter has ensured that the name of the Pukwudgies shall be seared into Mint Marine’s mind
“I hope not... I hope they can’t use boats either”
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
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No.103630
103631
>>103629
Silver chuckles at the image that crosses his mind. "I do not think they make boats that tiny."
Anonymous
KnZni
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No.103631
103632 103633
>>103630
“Hehe... I would like to see the boats sometime. The ones in the harbor”
KnZni
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No.103632
103633
[1d20 = 11]
>>103631

Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
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No.103633
103634
>>103632
Well, that is a spooky roll.

>>103631
"We will have to go sometime, then." Silver looks to the two colts. "In meantime, do you two want to go to next exhibit?."
Anonymous
KnZni
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No.103634
103635
>>103633
“Okay...”
White Orchid is leaning over the fence trying to lean in to touch the tortoise, his hind legs in the air
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
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No.103635
103636
>>103634
Silver has to pull out the father voice for this one. "White Orchid."
KnZni
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No.103636
103637
>>103635
The colt has basically managed to balance himself on the upper wooden rail of the fence, with the first half of his body sling inside of the enclosure, and the other half dangling outside. He moves his eyes up towards Silver
“Yes?”
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Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
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No.103637
103638
>>103636
Silver gives him the old fatherly 'come on now' look he hasn't had to use for a while.
Anonymous
KnZni
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No.103638
103639
>>103637
The little pony blinks. He had not received such a look in a very long time, and though he averts his eyes, he does not react.
Silver "The Floof" Sword
7MBpK
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No.103639
103640
>>103638
Silver's voice takes a more stern tone. "White Orchid. You are going to get all of us in trouble. Get down from fence."