Bring back /fitlit/
/ub/ - Überhengst
Becoming better
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It wouldn't be tremendously difficult to change the name of /ub/ to /fitlit/, the worst thing likely to happen is it might break a few cross links from posts on other boards. However, I'll echo the sentiment that such a change is unlikely to have much of an effect.
>advertising
An advertising campaign would require money, and while I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to spending a few bucks to improve site traffic, I don't see this having much effect either. If we wanted to draw traffic to a new /fitlit/ board, the logical places to advertise would be /fit/ and /lit/. /lit/ is one of the few comfy boards left on 4chan, mainly because they don't get a ton of traffic either. Mods, trolls and spambots mostly leave it alone; the userbase there has no real incentive to migrate anywhere. /fit/ I don't know that much about, but they seem to have their own niche culture, and they are also unlikely to want to migrate anywhere. They also strike me as a board that would have a high concentration of users likely to be hostile to bronies/horsefuckers.
Apart from those two boards, the only other places that make sense for targeted campaigns are /mlp/ and /pol/. /mlp/ is well aware of us at this point, and anyone who wants to migrate and/or crosspost here has already done so. /pol/ seems to be mostly bot and shill traffic these days.
>If we're looking for April 1st '17 posters, then a complete rebrand would be necessary.
If we were looking for April 1st '17 posters, the time to do it would have been around April 2017. I'm sure many anons fondly remember the event as a fun couple of days of shitposting, but most have long since gone back to their respective homeboards and probably won't be interested in a reboot of the concept.
>fuck /a/, fuck /cyb/, fuck /intr/, and fuck /sp/ (negotiable).
/a/ probably gets more traffic than /ub/ at this point, and I doubt rebranding it to /fitlit/ would do much to change that. Every chan and altchan has an /a/ board, so it's not much of a draw for outsiders. At the same time, there is some crossover between anime fans and pony fans, and /a/ is really the only board where anime discussions can take place.
/cyb/ never made a ton of sense to begin with; it was a pet project of Atlas's. Most of its threads would merge pretty seamlessly into /vx/. Also, when I went to skim through it, I noticed a couple of month-old advertising spam posts that we apparently missed; that one's on me, sorry. But it seems to buttress the argument that nobody pays much attention to /cyb/ and it could probably be deleted or merged into /vx/ at no huge loss.
/1ntr/ is a separate community whose board we host due to an agreement made by Atlas and their admin way back when. They don't post much, but at the same time they aren't hurting anything. It would be kind of a dick move to just yank their board out from under them for no good reason.
/sp/ I'm somewhat biased on, but I will point out that it's probably the highest-traffic board after /mlpol/ (apart from /vx/ I guess, but that's due to the RP threads). It also provides people an outlet if they want to shitpost, and makes it easier to maintain a higher standard of quality on the mainboard. That said, the concept is basically just /b/ under a different name, and it probably confuses outsiders who don't understand the joke.
Anyway, I guess I don't care that much either way. I can't speak for the rest of staff, but if you guys really want to rebrand /ub/ I don't have any serious objections, but I wouldn't expect it to have much of an effect.
>advertising
An advertising campaign would require money, and while I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to spending a few bucks to improve site traffic, I don't see this having much effect either. If we wanted to draw traffic to a new /fitlit/ board, the logical places to advertise would be /fit/ and /lit/. /lit/ is one of the few comfy boards left on 4chan, mainly because they don't get a ton of traffic either. Mods, trolls and spambots mostly leave it alone; the userbase there has no real incentive to migrate anywhere. /fit/ I don't know that much about, but they seem to have their own niche culture, and they are also unlikely to want to migrate anywhere. They also strike me as a board that would have a high concentration of users likely to be hostile to bronies/horsefuckers.
Apart from those two boards, the only other places that make sense for targeted campaigns are /mlp/ and /pol/. /mlp/ is well aware of us at this point, and anyone who wants to migrate and/or crosspost here has already done so. /pol/ seems to be mostly bot and shill traffic these days.
>If we're looking for April 1st '17 posters, then a complete rebrand would be necessary.
If we were looking for April 1st '17 posters, the time to do it would have been around April 2017. I'm sure many anons fondly remember the event as a fun couple of days of shitposting, but most have long since gone back to their respective homeboards and probably won't be interested in a reboot of the concept.
>fuck /a/, fuck /cyb/, fuck /intr/, and fuck /sp/ (negotiable).
/a/ probably gets more traffic than /ub/ at this point, and I doubt rebranding it to /fitlit/ would do much to change that. Every chan and altchan has an /a/ board, so it's not much of a draw for outsiders. At the same time, there is some crossover between anime fans and pony fans, and /a/ is really the only board where anime discussions can take place.
/cyb/ never made a ton of sense to begin with; it was a pet project of Atlas's. Most of its threads would merge pretty seamlessly into /vx/. Also, when I went to skim through it, I noticed a couple of month-old advertising spam posts that we apparently missed; that one's on me, sorry. But it seems to buttress the argument that nobody pays much attention to /cyb/ and it could probably be deleted or merged into /vx/ at no huge loss.
/1ntr/ is a separate community whose board we host due to an agreement made by Atlas and their admin way back when. They don't post much, but at the same time they aren't hurting anything. It would be kind of a dick move to just yank their board out from under them for no good reason.
/sp/ I'm somewhat biased on, but I will point out that it's probably the highest-traffic board after /mlpol/ (apart from /vx/ I guess, but that's due to the RP threads). It also provides people an outlet if they want to shitpost, and makes it easier to maintain a higher standard of quality on the mainboard. That said, the concept is basically just /b/ under a different name, and it probably confuses outsiders who don't understand the joke.
Anyway, I guess I don't care that much either way. I can't speak for the rest of staff, but if you guys really want to rebrand /ub/ I don't have any serious objections, but I wouldn't expect it to have much of an effect.
>>7846
>/sp/ I'm somewhat biased on, but I will point out that it's probably the highest-traffic board after /mlpol/ (apart from /vx/ I guess, but that's due to the RP threads). It also provides people an outlet if they want to shitpost, and makes it easier to maintain a higher standard of quality on the mainboard.
/sp/ is fine as it is. Every functioning chansites needs a random board.
>/1ntr/
I have no problem with them.
>/cyb/ never made a ton of sense to begin with
I got one really like Cyberpunk stuff, but tbh it's a sort of failed experiment that nobody asked for in the first place. Atlas isn't around anymore, and since it's inception 90% of traffic has been in "post in this thread when you visit /cyberpunk/", which is also 90% me personally dumping every cyberpunk related meme I see there.
>/a/ probably gets more traffic than /ub/
Anime is a cartoon related hobby. People interesting in ponies are likely to be interested in other kinds of cartoons, so having a designated weeb street makes sense.
>If we were looking for April 1st '17 posters, the time to do it would have been around April 2017
Yeah...
Tbh, I was an advocate for doing that back in 2017 too, but I got out-voted. We got /ub/ instead of /fitlit/; we got /vx/ instead of /vint/.
I like to daydream of a parallel universe where all of the users from April 2017 came here and set up camp, but I shouldn't kid myself.
>the only other places that make sense for targeted campaigns are /mlp/ and /pol/
Yeah, there are still horsefuckers there, although /pol/ is so reddit infested I have a hard time browsing it except to find memes to repost here.
>/mlp/ is well aware of us at this point, and anyone who wants to migrate and/or crosspost here has already done so.
Ngl, sometimes it feels like there's more /mlpol/ content in the Aryanne thread on /mlp/ than we have on this entire site.
>They also strike me as a board that would have a high concentration of users likely to be hostile to bronies/horsefuckers.
This is true, but people deterred by horsefuckers probably wouldn't use a site called /mlpol/. That being said, it would be an additional reason not to pander to them...
I feel like to a certain extent /mlpol/ seems to have dropped the ball when it comes to being welcoming to bronies. Back in 2017 we had discord trannies like goat intentionally trying to split the community by creating pointless arguments nonissues like whether or not gay clop should be spoilered, with the sole intent of fragmenting the community. Since that, it's a pain to admit that some moral/sexual puritans have in some cases seemingly created an environment that could be considered unwelcoming to horsefucking degenerates.
Idk what to think of it in the end....
Your thoughtful feedback is appreciated as usual Elway. Thankyou for the reply.
>/sp/ I'm somewhat biased on, but I will point out that it's probably the highest-traffic board after /mlpol/ (apart from /vx/ I guess, but that's due to the RP threads). It also provides people an outlet if they want to shitpost, and makes it easier to maintain a higher standard of quality on the mainboard.
/sp/ is fine as it is. Every functioning chansites needs a random board.
>/1ntr/
I have no problem with them.
>/cyb/ never made a ton of sense to begin with
I got one really like Cyberpunk stuff, but tbh it's a sort of failed experiment that nobody asked for in the first place. Atlas isn't around anymore, and since it's inception 90% of traffic has been in "post in this thread when you visit /cyberpunk/", which is also 90% me personally dumping every cyberpunk related meme I see there.
>/a/ probably gets more traffic than /ub/
Anime is a cartoon related hobby. People interesting in ponies are likely to be interested in other kinds of cartoons, so having a designated weeb street makes sense.
>If we were looking for April 1st '17 posters, the time to do it would have been around April 2017
Yeah...
Tbh, I was an advocate for doing that back in 2017 too, but I got out-voted. We got /ub/ instead of /fitlit/; we got /vx/ instead of /vint/.
I like to daydream of a parallel universe where all of the users from April 2017 came here and set up camp, but I shouldn't kid myself.
>the only other places that make sense for targeted campaigns are /mlp/ and /pol/
Yeah, there are still horsefuckers there, although /pol/ is so reddit infested I have a hard time browsing it except to find memes to repost here.
>/mlp/ is well aware of us at this point, and anyone who wants to migrate and/or crosspost here has already done so.
Ngl, sometimes it feels like there's more /mlpol/ content in the Aryanne thread on /mlp/ than we have on this entire site.
>They also strike me as a board that would have a high concentration of users likely to be hostile to bronies/horsefuckers.
This is true, but people deterred by horsefuckers probably wouldn't use a site called /mlpol/. That being said, it would be an additional reason not to pander to them...
I feel like to a certain extent /mlpol/ seems to have dropped the ball when it comes to being welcoming to bronies. Back in 2017 we had discord trannies like goat intentionally trying to split the community by creating pointless arguments nonissues like whether or not gay clop should be spoilered, with the sole intent of fragmenting the community. Since that, it's a pain to admit that some moral/sexual puritans have in some cases seemingly created an environment that could be considered unwelcoming to horsefucking degenerates.
Idk what to think of it in the end....
Your thoughtful feedback is appreciated as usual Elway. Thankyou for the reply.
>>7846
I would request that if /fitlit/ happens, it should have no poster IDs, as neither board has them. We only added IDs to the self-improvement board because it was expected that Anon's would be talking about very personal things, but look how that turned out.
The only boards that have or need poster IDs on 4chan are boards like /biz/ or /pol/, where literal, unironic shills with a financial interest in the matter are likely to samefag and astroturf.
I guess the toggle feature partially eliminates that problem though. I would have made this thread without IDs myself, but since it's basically a meta thread I abstained from doing so.
I would request that if /fitlit/ happens, it should have no poster IDs, as neither board has them. We only added IDs to the self-improvement board because it was expected that Anon's would be talking about very personal things, but look how that turned out.
The only boards that have or need poster IDs on 4chan are boards like /biz/ or /pol/, where literal, unironic shills with a financial interest in the matter are likely to samefag and astroturf.
I guess the toggle feature partially eliminates that problem though. I would have made this thread without IDs myself, but since it's basically a meta thread I abstained from doing so.
>>7838
That's the point, you can't prove an obviously good idea is likely to work.
Think about what is being asked here by someone opposed to reason.
Oh, yeah, sure. We should provide the receipts to prove this can work. Let me just hop in my time machine to go to the future where it has already been tried, so we can prove it did, then we can try it.
Perfectly reasonable.
It's not like we're being asked to reference the outcome of an experiment before it has been tried to get that guy's approval, except it is.
Wipe the slate clean and start over, nobody gives a fuck about cyberpunk and retarded SCPs on /mlpol/. It's not like renaming /ub/ to /fitlit/ would drive off its only users and fail to attract anyone new ever interesting in discussing fitness, literature, or borh on a slow board.
Most people hate looking at furry pornography because porn is bad for the brain and soul.
>"But spamming my favourites from my 1TB collection of Apple Bloom interracial porn keeps the shills away!"
Keep telling yourself that. Many Discord users say the same shit about posting NSFW in general. Anything to justify and normalize the porn addiction.
That's the point, you can't prove an obviously good idea is likely to work.
Think about what is being asked here by someone opposed to reason.
Oh, yeah, sure. We should provide the receipts to prove this can work. Let me just hop in my time machine to go to the future where it has already been tried, so we can prove it did, then we can try it.
Perfectly reasonable.
It's not like we're being asked to reference the outcome of an experiment before it has been tried to get that guy's approval, except it is.
Wipe the slate clean and start over, nobody gives a fuck about cyberpunk and retarded SCPs on /mlpol/. It's not like renaming /ub/ to /fitlit/ would drive off its only users and fail to attract anyone new ever interesting in discussing fitness, literature, or borh on a slow board.
Most people hate looking at furry pornography because porn is bad for the brain and soul.
>"But spamming my favourites from my 1TB collection of Apple Bloom interracial porn keeps the shills away!"
Keep telling yourself that. Many Discord users say the same shit about posting NSFW in general. Anything to justify and normalize the porn addiction.
Now that THAT'S been considered, allow me to suggest something.
It won't do no good. Face facts, Mlpol painted it's self into a corner a LONG, LONG, LONG time ago and lost any/all momentum, goodwill, potential, and most importantly USERS it had. Yes, I advocated that any changes ought to have a concerted plan behind it, but make no mistake: the ship sailed years ago.
The point of suggesting the ad campaign was to emphasize that it takes more than a namechange and wishful thinking to turn things around. Costs can be deferred with individual effort largely, but is anyone gonna kid themselves and think that enough of everyone (what little there is) can work together sufficient to make something like this happen? Ridiculous.
Face it boyos, the bed is made. Change the paint, change the curtains, change the carpets,... you're still left with the same people.
It won't do no good. Face facts, Mlpol painted it's self into a corner a LONG, LONG, LONG time ago and lost any/all momentum, goodwill, potential, and most importantly USERS it had. Yes, I advocated that any changes ought to have a concerted plan behind it, but make no mistake: the ship sailed years ago.
The point of suggesting the ad campaign was to emphasize that it takes more than a namechange and wishful thinking to turn things around. Costs can be deferred with individual effort largely, but is anyone gonna kid themselves and think that enough of everyone (what little there is) can work together sufficient to make something like this happen? Ridiculous.
Face it boyos, the bed is made. Change the paint, change the curtains, change the carpets,... you're still left with the same people.
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>>7850
>Face facts, Mlpol painted it's self into a corner a LONG, LONG, LONG time ago and lost any/all momentum, goodwill, potential, and most importantly USERS it had.
>make no mistake: the ship sailed years ago
>is anyone gonna kid themselves and think that enough of everyone (what little there is) can work together sufficient to make something like this happen? Ridiculous.
>Face it boyos, the bed is made.
What the fuck is this cringe doomfagging? Is what you're recommending that users just give up and stop trying to make the site better, not just with /fitlit/ but with mlpol.net entirely?
Why the fuck are you even here if all you have to offer is sardonic cynicism and negativity? Why even speak on the subject of you don't believe that things can get better and have no intention to help? What's it to you?
>hurr durr you missed your chance
>hurr durr whatever you try will fail
>hurr durr all your ambitions will end in failure
>Try to make things better? Pointless! Just embrace the inevitable slow rot and stagnation
You are worse than the doomposters on /mlp/ who did nothing but doompaul about how they insisted fandom is "dying" and that there's nothing we can do about. At least they eventually fucked off on the end.
Make like your fellow doomfags and fuck off.
>Face facts, Mlpol painted it's self into a corner a LONG, LONG, LONG time ago and lost any/all momentum, goodwill, potential, and most importantly USERS it had.
>make no mistake: the ship sailed years ago
>is anyone gonna kid themselves and think that enough of everyone (what little there is) can work together sufficient to make something like this happen? Ridiculous.
>Face it boyos, the bed is made.
What the fuck is this cringe doomfagging? Is what you're recommending that users just give up and stop trying to make the site better, not just with /fitlit/ but with mlpol.net entirely?
Why the fuck are you even here if all you have to offer is sardonic cynicism and negativity? Why even speak on the subject of you don't believe that things can get better and have no intention to help? What's it to you?
>hurr durr you missed your chance
>hurr durr whatever you try will fail
>hurr durr all your ambitions will end in failure
>Try to make things better? Pointless! Just embrace the inevitable slow rot and stagnation
You are worse than the doomposters on /mlp/ who did nothing but doompaul about how they insisted fandom is "dying" and that there's nothing we can do about. At least they eventually fucked off on the end.
Make like your fellow doomfags and fuck off.
>>7851
Unrealistic an unchecked optimism is at the heart of why the site is in the predicament it is. Failure to acknowledge, address, and develop from this is effectively guaranteed to produce precisely the same results that previous efforts did.
Or did you neglect to notice?
Unrealistic an unchecked optimism is at the heart of why the site is in the predicament it is. Failure to acknowledge, address, and develop from this is effectively guaranteed to produce precisely the same results that previous efforts did.
Or did you neglect to notice?
>>7852
So, knowing all this, what are you going to do about it? How are you going to make things better?
So, knowing all this, what are you going to do about it? How are you going to make things better?
>>7850
> any/all momentum, goodwill, potential, and most importantly USERS it had.
What is dead or somewhat dying can bloom once again.
It's not something people can force.
>>7849
It's how banks operate on business loans.
A proven plan action with a specific amount of resources to achieve a defined goal.
There's always risk, but tried and true formulas do work most of the time.
Which also happens to be where a ton of spam comes from but I digress.
>furry pornography
Nigger.
Anyway mlpol being red all the time is a turn off to shills, redditors and normies.
Unlike the infamy of chanchanchanchan there's not alot of news breaking about the humble /mlpol/.
Horse famous is one thing, but semi-regular international attention?
There are three main issues.
1) Any attention is now attention you have on you.
Granted some have wisened up that not all attention is good.
But someone who knows the target audience can weather the storm to have others freely support a media campaign.
2) Consequences of successfully increased attention. Users.
As any and all traffic increases newfags and newfrens have to be integrated to the culture. Otherwise it's r/thedonald all over again.
Increased traffic, increases more traffic up to a limit, but it can be hardware straining.
So let's say the via whatever means compatible people fit into boards with the freedom of speech that this place offers.
Right now is possibly the only time before the surge that culture and social cues are set up properly for essentially socially and culture illiterate people.
3) Consequences. The other kind of users.
As users increase a more wide and exploitable demographic appears ripe to be taken advantage of.
Bots, shills, glow in the darks, soups, scamers and other malicious types increase.
If it's worth wading through the hores pussy to accomplish the goal and through veterans and staff to reach that tender new demographic they'll fucking do it.
Anything.
Even more overt and covert attacks.
Social engineering, trying to needle into any cracks and any any signs of weakness.
It could be rough.
It could be a hot bed of hostile activity and lawfare and snooping and canceling.
But despite all that getting attention can be worthwhile.
>>7853
A namechange at its heart is a localized event, not far reaching into the global attention span.
The question is where and how should attention be gathered?
If it's too big too fast, I don't know if we have plans for what kind of scale of attention.
At least for the average anon already here.
> any/all momentum, goodwill, potential, and most importantly USERS it had.
What is dead or somewhat dying can bloom once again.
It's not something people can force.
>>7849
It's how banks operate on business loans.
A proven plan action with a specific amount of resources to achieve a defined goal.
There's always risk, but tried and true formulas do work most of the time.
Which also happens to be where a ton of spam comes from but I digress.
>furry pornography
Nigger.
Anyway mlpol being red all the time is a turn off to shills, redditors and normies.
Unlike the infamy of chanchanchanchan there's not alot of news breaking about the humble /mlpol/.
Horse famous is one thing, but semi-regular international attention?
There are three main issues.
1) Any attention is now attention you have on you.
Granted some have wisened up that not all attention is good.
But someone who knows the target audience can weather the storm to have others freely support a media campaign.
2) Consequences of successfully increased attention. Users.
As any and all traffic increases newfags and newfrens have to be integrated to the culture. Otherwise it's r/thedonald all over again.
Increased traffic, increases more traffic up to a limit, but it can be hardware straining.
So let's say the via whatever means compatible people fit into boards with the freedom of speech that this place offers.
Right now is possibly the only time before the surge that culture and social cues are set up properly for essentially socially and culture illiterate people.
3) Consequences. The other kind of users.
As users increase a more wide and exploitable demographic appears ripe to be taken advantage of.
Bots, shills, glow in the darks, soups, scamers and other malicious types increase.
If it's worth wading through the hores pussy to accomplish the goal and through veterans and staff to reach that tender new demographic they'll fucking do it.
Anything.
Even more overt and covert attacks.
Social engineering, trying to needle into any cracks and any any signs of weakness.
It could be rough.
It could be a hot bed of hostile activity and lawfare and snooping and canceling.
But despite all that getting attention can be worthwhile.
>>7853
A namechange at its heart is a localized event, not far reaching into the global attention span.
The question is where and how should attention be gathered?
If it's too big too fast, I don't know if we have plans for what kind of scale of attention.
At least for the average anon already here.
>>7853
>better
It seems premature to assume that better is even on the table, let alone what it might look like. It CERTAINLY isn't gonna happen without a well-thought plan, and my best idea is on the table. What are YOU going to do about it?
>better
It seems premature to assume that better is even on the table, let alone what it might look like. It CERTAINLY isn't gonna happen without a well-thought plan, and my best idea is on the table. What are YOU going to do about it?
>>7855
>It seems premature to assume that better is even on the table
More unhelpful, counterproductive cynicism.
>It seems premature to assume that better is even on the table
More unhelpful, counterproductive cynicism.
>>7856
To reiterate (from one of the previous times the topic has come up): if you don't start from where you ARE, you won't end up where you want to BE. Pretending the situation isn't bleak won't change that it is.
Here's another idea, since y'all are so flush with them.
How many ppl are going to Marefair, and what visible presence will Mlpol have?
To reiterate (from one of the previous times the topic has come up): if you don't start from where you ARE, you won't end up where you want to BE. Pretending the situation isn't bleak won't change that it is.
Here's another idea, since y'all are so flush with them.
How many ppl are going to Marefair, and what visible presence will Mlpol have?
In fact and to that end, how many conventions are how many people planning to go to in the next calendar year, and what site-promotions are they willing/interested in doing?
Keep in mind, promoting Mlpol might get one banned,....
Keep in mind, promoting Mlpol might get one banned,....
>>7850
If you paid for an ad campaign do you think anyone would want to post here? When was the last time you clicked on an ad? Does this cliquey circlejerk really have anything going for it that makes people want to become active users dedicated to this site and its wellbeing, or is it just a black hole of impotent misery?
Just look at its average user.
>>7854
You're not a bank, stopped reading there.
If you have to reach that far to justify yourself, just stop making an ass of yourself.
I already explained to you, you're asking me to prove something obviously true that cannot be proven true until it is done.
Changing the gay retarded name to something better can't hurt and can only potentially help.
If you don't understand that, try harder to understand that or ask an adult to explain it to you.
If you paid for an ad campaign do you think anyone would want to post here? When was the last time you clicked on an ad? Does this cliquey circlejerk really have anything going for it that makes people want to become active users dedicated to this site and its wellbeing, or is it just a black hole of impotent misery?
Just look at its average user.
>>7854
You're not a bank, stopped reading there.
If you have to reach that far to justify yourself, just stop making an ass of yourself.
I already explained to you, you're asking me to prove something obviously true that cannot be proven true until it is done.
Changing the gay retarded name to something better can't hurt and can only potentially help.
If you don't understand that, try harder to understand that or ask an adult to explain it to you.
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>>7859
Okay readette, riddle me this.
Who the fuck is going to figure out that a horse whispering forum changed the name of a board and how would that be possible that they figured it out?
Okay readette, riddle me this.
Who the fuck is going to figure out that a horse whispering forum changed the name of a board and how would that be possible that they figured it out?
>>7860
You know what, I'm going to stop pointing out why a name change doesn't do what you want it to.
If you really want to do that maybe put the thing where it should be about changing the site.
Aka not /ub/ or /vx/ or /a/ or /1ntr/ or /sp/ or /mlpol/ or hidden board or /go/
You know what, I'm going to stop pointing out why a name change doesn't do what you want it to.
If you really want to do that maybe put the thing where it should be about changing the site.
Aka not /ub/ or /vx/ or /a/ or /1ntr/ or /sp/ or /mlpol/ or hidden board or /go/
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>>7850
>Face facts, Mlpol painted it's self into a corner a LONG, LONG, LONG time ago and lost any/all momentum, goodwill, potential, and most importantly USERS it had
>>7852
>Unrealistic an unchecked optimism is at the heart of why the site is in the predicament it is
>>7853
>How are you going to make things better?
>>7855
>It seems premature to assume that better is even on the table
I honestly don't understand this doomer pessimism that keeps periodically bubbling up around here. All I know is that I've been listening to it off and on for like five or six years, yet the site is still here and people still post on it.
This site is the intersection of two niche subcultures that have nothing obvious in common with each other, that a casual observer would expect to be natural enemies. This is precisely why they were juxtaposed together as a joke. The joke backfired because it turned out there was more crossover than expected. Multiple sites were created as migration points when the initial 4/mlpol/ board was shut down; this is the one that ended up surviving.
The site's trajectory in terms of user interest has followed a completely predictable and natural pattern. It actually parallels the trajectory of the MLP fandom itself somewhat. There was an initial burst of energy and activity fueled by novelty of concept and the notoriety we had for awhile on 4chan. Inevitably, this hit a peak and activity began to taper off as people gradually lost interest or moved on to other things. Now it's down to a core group of people who are here because they are genuinely interested in what the site is about, and don't particularly care about how relevant it is the broader world. In my view, this is a healthy attitude to have about any interest you might have, and this is the sort of user we want.
Does the size of the site or the amount of traffic it receives really matter? We're not operating a business here. We don't need to worry about turning a profit or controlling a market share. So who gives a fuck? Just enjoy the place for what it is.
>>7857
>How many ppl are going to Marefair, and what visible presence will Mlpol have?
For what it's worth, I was planning on printing up some cards and leaving them on tables around the hotel.
>>7859
>Does this cliquey circlejerk really have anything going for it that makes people want to become active users dedicated to this site and its wellbeing, or is it just a black hole of impotent misery?
"Black hole of impotent misery" or no, you keep on coming back here. Maybe if you had something to contribute to any conversation beyond unfocused angry babbling, you'd be taken more seriously.
>Face facts, Mlpol painted it's self into a corner a LONG, LONG, LONG time ago and lost any/all momentum, goodwill, potential, and most importantly USERS it had
>>7852
>Unrealistic an unchecked optimism is at the heart of why the site is in the predicament it is
>>7853
>How are you going to make things better?
>>7855
>It seems premature to assume that better is even on the table
I honestly don't understand this doomer pessimism that keeps periodically bubbling up around here. All I know is that I've been listening to it off and on for like five or six years, yet the site is still here and people still post on it.
This site is the intersection of two niche subcultures that have nothing obvious in common with each other, that a casual observer would expect to be natural enemies. This is precisely why they were juxtaposed together as a joke. The joke backfired because it turned out there was more crossover than expected. Multiple sites were created as migration points when the initial 4/mlpol/ board was shut down; this is the one that ended up surviving.
The site's trajectory in terms of user interest has followed a completely predictable and natural pattern. It actually parallels the trajectory of the MLP fandom itself somewhat. There was an initial burst of energy and activity fueled by novelty of concept and the notoriety we had for awhile on 4chan. Inevitably, this hit a peak and activity began to taper off as people gradually lost interest or moved on to other things. Now it's down to a core group of people who are here because they are genuinely interested in what the site is about, and don't particularly care about how relevant it is the broader world. In my view, this is a healthy attitude to have about any interest you might have, and this is the sort of user we want.
Does the size of the site or the amount of traffic it receives really matter? We're not operating a business here. We don't need to worry about turning a profit or controlling a market share. So who gives a fuck? Just enjoy the place for what it is.
>>7857
>How many ppl are going to Marefair, and what visible presence will Mlpol have?
For what it's worth, I was planning on printing up some cards and leaving them on tables around the hotel.
>>7859
>Does this cliquey circlejerk really have anything going for it that makes people want to become active users dedicated to this site and its wellbeing, or is it just a black hole of impotent misery?
"Black hole of impotent misery" or no, you keep on coming back here. Maybe if you had something to contribute to any conversation beyond unfocused angry babbling, you'd be taken more seriously.
>>7859
Credit for identifying the next element of the equation - incentive - you seem to be struggling with the idea of an advertizing campaign. I can't think of a single convention I have gone to that didn't involve a handful of business cards, stickers, and flyers advertizing websites and socials of individuals and groups, usually picked up or acquired after lengthy conversation and social interaction.
That's what I'm talking about, not popups on a website (you mong).
>prove it before it happens
Its called a prospectus. Now shush, adults are talking.
>>7863
>The site's trajectory in terms of user interest has followed a completely predictable and natural pattern. It actually parallels the trajectory of the MLP fandom itself somewhat
Exactly, which is where the site begins to find it's feet as far as drawing new users is concerned. While this isn't the only site that can claim the following, the fact that it is going nowhere is a marketable strength. The fandom isn't dying, but many elements ARE slowly gradually falling off/away and Mlpol has an opportunity to distinguish it's self as something that WILL prevail no matter what, by determination of it's users first and foremost.
THAT is what is needed to be communicated. Business cards are a good step, but even better is if the cards are handed out by someone(s) able/willing to speak to and promote the site in a wholesome context and manner.
I will take the opportunity to suggest that we could do with a bit more images and signage, preferrably stuff where one doesn't have to go into detail about "yeah, about the swastikas". I'm NOT saying get rid of swastikas, but maybe not on the highly-public promotional material? Perhaps reappropriating the derpy swastika?
>people who are here because they are genuinely interested in what the site is about, and don't particularly care about how relevant it is the broader world. In my view, this is a healthy attitude to have about any interest you might have, and this is the sort of user we want
So this
Credit for identifying the next element of the equation - incentive - you seem to be struggling with the idea of an advertizing campaign. I can't think of a single convention I have gone to that didn't involve a handful of business cards, stickers, and flyers advertizing websites and socials of individuals and groups, usually picked up or acquired after lengthy conversation and social interaction.
That's what I'm talking about, not popups on a website (you mong).
>prove it before it happens
Its called a prospectus. Now shush, adults are talking.
>>7863
>The site's trajectory in terms of user interest has followed a completely predictable and natural pattern. It actually parallels the trajectory of the MLP fandom itself somewhat
Exactly, which is where the site begins to find it's feet as far as drawing new users is concerned. While this isn't the only site that can claim the following, the fact that it is going nowhere is a marketable strength. The fandom isn't dying, but many elements ARE slowly gradually falling off/away and Mlpol has an opportunity to distinguish it's self as something that WILL prevail no matter what, by determination of it's users first and foremost.
THAT is what is needed to be communicated. Business cards are a good step, but even better is if the cards are handed out by someone(s) able/willing to speak to and promote the site in a wholesome context and manner.
I will take the opportunity to suggest that we could do with a bit more images and signage, preferrably stuff where one doesn't have to go into detail about "yeah, about the swastikas". I'm NOT saying get rid of swastikas, but maybe not on the highly-public promotional material? Perhaps reappropriating the derpy swastika?
>people who are here because they are genuinely interested in what the site is about, and don't particularly care about how relevant it is the broader world. In my view, this is a healthy attitude to have about any interest you might have, and this is the sort of user we want
So this
>>7864
>Its called a prospectus.
It's been you who's been saying "bring receipts first" when posters suggested far less drastic and expensive measures.
>Its called a prospectus.
It's been you who's been saying "bring receipts first" when posters suggested far less drastic and expensive measures.
Forgot to mention
>>7863
>I honestly don't understand this doomer pessimism that keeps periodically bubbling up around here
Cuz it hasn't been explained every time? Often by the same people?
Fine, one more time,....
What you call "doomer pessimism" can equally be called "countering biased idealism" of people who are wont to imagine that the site is better off than it is. It's a wake-up call, not a death knell. No one seems to be (legitimately) saying the site is dead or dying, but progress and development is in the cards than inividuals will need to play heir hands wih serious determination.
>>7863
>I honestly don't understand this doomer pessimism that keeps periodically bubbling up around here
Cuz it hasn't been explained every time? Often by the same people?
Fine, one more time,....
What you call "doomer pessimism" can equally be called "countering biased idealism" of people who are wont to imagine that the site is better off than it is. It's a wake-up call, not a death knell. No one seems to be (legitimately) saying the site is dead or dying, but progress and development is in the cards than inividuals will need to play heir hands wih serious determination.
>>7865
Yes, because if they had done the proper calculations and review ty would have "receipts" that would show that those lesser efforts amounted to wishful thinking. Back to the kids table with you
Yes, because if they had done the proper calculations and review ty would have "receipts" that would show that those lesser efforts amounted to wishful thinking. Back to the kids table with you
>>7866
>What you call "doomer pessimism" can equally be called "countering biased idealism" of people who are wont to imagine that the site is better off than it is.
I know doomfags when I see them. They pre-date /mlpol/ and have been on /mlp/ since late season 2. Faggots who do nothing but doompost with pessimism while contributing nothing to the atmosphere, not posting participating in content threads, not funposting, not even posting images; only doompauling about the supposed heat death of the fandom while patronizing anyone who was still trying to have fun. We beat them on /mlp/, and we'll beat them here.
>Back to the kids table with you
The cringey boomerspeech is not helping your case.
And all this aside, the thread isn't about increasing the general activity on mlpol.net, it's about bringing back /fitlit/.
>What you call "doomer pessimism" can equally be called "countering biased idealism" of people who are wont to imagine that the site is better off than it is.
I know doomfags when I see them. They pre-date /mlpol/ and have been on /mlp/ since late season 2. Faggots who do nothing but doompost with pessimism while contributing nothing to the atmosphere, not posting participating in content threads, not funposting, not even posting images; only doompauling about the supposed heat death of the fandom while patronizing anyone who was still trying to have fun. We beat them on /mlp/, and we'll beat them here.
>Back to the kids table with you
The cringey boomerspeech is not helping your case.
And all this aside, the thread isn't about increasing the general activity on mlpol.net, it's about bringing back /fitlit/.
>>7868
While we're on about improving the site (which was the ostensible point of changing the name of /üb/ to make the board more receptible to apr. 1st oldfags, try to keep up) this whole "I know you better than you know you" strawman shit is tr kin of thing that repels users. Just sayin
While we're on about improving the site (which was the ostensible point of changing the name of /üb/ to make the board more receptible to apr. 1st oldfags, try to keep up) this whole "I know you better than you know you" strawman shit is tr kin of thing that repels users. Just sayin
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>>7864
Haha, you're trying so hard to sound like an intellectual! It's cute, really.
You feel entitled to respect, no matter how you treat others.
/fitlit/ is objectively a better name than /ub/ and if you think I need to to to the future to give you proof changing its name was a good thing for this site...
Ask an adult why you cannot go to the future.
Do you see the hole in your logic?
The impossibility of what you feel entitled to ask of me?
Christ.
Then again, all the proof in the world couldn't convince someone this arrogant.
Look at you.
Just... look at you.
This is how you treat people when the topic is changing a gay name to a better one.
Look out, we have a real badass over here. A real intellectual! No, a self-important fool.
Do you think spending a thousand dollars on advertisements and leaving business cards around a hotel would get people to visit this "sex-positive" HIV-positive pornography-infested circlejerk where 95% of the user base is completely incapable of a mature conversation about anything, no matter how important or small and insignificant it might be? Do you really think spending money and littering is likely to add energized and ideologically compatible users to this dying circlejerk?
If you truly want to better yourself you don't waste time masturbating to anime girls or worse, little girls from western cartoons written by feminists and male feminists who accidentally made some episodes of the first seasons good before corporate politics made things gayer and lazier.
Masturbation is a waste of time. Masturbation is a sin against God. Masturbation is a jewish tactic.
And this website is in love with masturbation.
When you try this hard to sound intellectual, fellating yourself even though brevity is the soul of wit, that's you masturbating. Anyone worth a damn would call it out on the spot, you are just masturbating.
I don't care if many people here are on your level and on your side, no matter how high shit is piled it is still just shit.
If you're too busy masturbating to understand why the /fitlit/ name debate is fundamentally pointless, that's on you.
Anyone who wants to talk literature and fitness or both is spoiled for choice when it comes to places to talk with or without jewish censorship. They could make their own board without Apple Bloom porn-obsessed perverts stinking up the place and losing their cool the second they feel slighted.
Why would any significant number of them emigrate here? Why would those who emigrate here be satisfied with the number of people who give a shit about literature of any sort and their caliber?
Why would those who emigrate here post here even though most users here don't give a shit about fitness or literature?
The best thing anyone can do for this site is this: Change the name /ub/ to /fitlit/ in the hopes of attracting fresh new users with an IQ above room temperature while praying they care enough about discussing real literature or physical fitness or tedious overly long unedited and artistically valueless furry fanfiction written to pander to porn-addicted wiggers to overlook your sodomite stench.
/mlp/ is full of valueless noise from valueless noisy people and the same is true of /pol/, but at least /pol/ has the excuse of being targeted for subversion by trained paid actors. The show attracts losers desperate for comfort and female company and they make up the bulk of the fandom whether you tell yourself the show accidentally advocates for a white ethnostate or not. Read Lord Of The Rings, accidentally advocating for whiteness is not unique to MLP. This show is not actually really that good at all. People just obsess over it so much in the name of escapism it keeps them from trying better things and growing as people. Attempts to make this community productive and creative fizzle out regularly for a reason. Try and prove me wrong. Try making an art thread where users are encouraged to create art and get better. Try making a NaNoWriMo thread where the many users try to write something with political value and entertainment value. Try making anything positive. See how this circlejerk reacts. Tearing down what is and bitching about what is... that's so much easier than actually trying to make anything. People here aren't prepared to make guns and train with them and start jogging. They came here to bitch about problems they'll do nothing to fix.
Haha, you're trying so hard to sound like an intellectual! It's cute, really.
You feel entitled to respect, no matter how you treat others.
/fitlit/ is objectively a better name than /ub/ and if you think I need to to to the future to give you proof changing its name was a good thing for this site...
Ask an adult why you cannot go to the future.
Do you see the hole in your logic?
The impossibility of what you feel entitled to ask of me?
Christ.
Then again, all the proof in the world couldn't convince someone this arrogant.
Look at you.
Just... look at you.
This is how you treat people when the topic is changing a gay name to a better one.
Look out, we have a real badass over here. A real intellectual! No, a self-important fool.
Do you think spending a thousand dollars on advertisements and leaving business cards around a hotel would get people to visit this "sex-positive" HIV-positive pornography-infested circlejerk where 95% of the user base is completely incapable of a mature conversation about anything, no matter how important or small and insignificant it might be? Do you really think spending money and littering is likely to add energized and ideologically compatible users to this dying circlejerk?
If you truly want to better yourself you don't waste time masturbating to anime girls or worse, little girls from western cartoons written by feminists and male feminists who accidentally made some episodes of the first seasons good before corporate politics made things gayer and lazier.
Masturbation is a waste of time. Masturbation is a sin against God. Masturbation is a jewish tactic.
And this website is in love with masturbation.
When you try this hard to sound intellectual, fellating yourself even though brevity is the soul of wit, that's you masturbating. Anyone worth a damn would call it out on the spot, you are just masturbating.
I don't care if many people here are on your level and on your side, no matter how high shit is piled it is still just shit.
If you're too busy masturbating to understand why the /fitlit/ name debate is fundamentally pointless, that's on you.
Anyone who wants to talk literature and fitness or both is spoiled for choice when it comes to places to talk with or without jewish censorship. They could make their own board without Apple Bloom porn-obsessed perverts stinking up the place and losing their cool the second they feel slighted.
Why would any significant number of them emigrate here? Why would those who emigrate here be satisfied with the number of people who give a shit about literature of any sort and their caliber?
Why would those who emigrate here post here even though most users here don't give a shit about fitness or literature?
The best thing anyone can do for this site is this: Change the name /ub/ to /fitlit/ in the hopes of attracting fresh new users with an IQ above room temperature while praying they care enough about discussing real literature or physical fitness or tedious overly long unedited and artistically valueless furry fanfiction written to pander to porn-addicted wiggers to overlook your sodomite stench.
/mlp/ is full of valueless noise from valueless noisy people and the same is true of /pol/, but at least /pol/ has the excuse of being targeted for subversion by trained paid actors. The show attracts losers desperate for comfort and female company and they make up the bulk of the fandom whether you tell yourself the show accidentally advocates for a white ethnostate or not. Read Lord Of The Rings, accidentally advocating for whiteness is not unique to MLP. This show is not actually really that good at all. People just obsess over it so much in the name of escapism it keeps them from trying better things and growing as people. Attempts to make this community productive and creative fizzle out regularly for a reason. Try and prove me wrong. Try making an art thread where users are encouraged to create art and get better. Try making a NaNoWriMo thread where the many users try to write something with political value and entertainment value. Try making anything positive. See how this circlejerk reacts. Tearing down what is and bitching about what is... that's so much easier than actually trying to make anything. People here aren't prepared to make guns and train with them and start jogging. They came here to bitch about problems they'll do nothing to fix.
If that's the case then I'm always edging. Constantly trying to improve by beating my meat hard but never getting to cum. Like a bad dream.
>>7864
>>7866
Well, I'm not going to delve too deeply into this, since as anon pointed out this side discussion is derailing a thread that was meant to be about changing the name of one board. If you want to continue this discussion, starting a new thread on /qa/ would probably be the way to go about it. Suffice it to say that I think the site is fine as-is, and I don't think there's much to be gained by aggressively evangelizing it; if anything, I think that might prove to be counterproductive and attract the wrong sort of people.
That said, I do think that maintaining a degree of visibility so that fellow travelers can find their way here is a positive thing. Events like Mare Fair, that are more likely to be receptive, are probably the ideal venue for this.
>>7873
>When you try this hard to sound intellectual, fellating yourself even though brevity is the soul of wit, that's you masturbating.
Here is what I would like you to do. Read this portion of text that I just quoted. Read it two or three times, if necessary. Then, go back and read it again, this time in the context of that entire rambling wall of text you just palm-mashed into existence. See if you can spot the irony.
>>7866
Well, I'm not going to delve too deeply into this, since as anon pointed out this side discussion is derailing a thread that was meant to be about changing the name of one board. If you want to continue this discussion, starting a new thread on /qa/ would probably be the way to go about it. Suffice it to say that I think the site is fine as-is, and I don't think there's much to be gained by aggressively evangelizing it; if anything, I think that might prove to be counterproductive and attract the wrong sort of people.
That said, I do think that maintaining a degree of visibility so that fellow travelers can find their way here is a positive thing. Events like Mare Fair, that are more likely to be receptive, are probably the ideal venue for this.
>>7873
>When you try this hard to sound intellectual, fellating yourself even though brevity is the soul of wit, that's you masturbating.
Here is what I would like you to do. Read this portion of text that I just quoted. Read it two or three times, if necessary. Then, go back and read it again, this time in the context of that entire rambling wall of text you just palm-mashed into existence. See if you can spot the irony.
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>>7873
>>7846
It's time to face the fact that the current pol/sphere/, reinvigorated by the rise of "self-improvement" among normies, is going to be as hostile towards anything MLP as it is to pretty much anything that could be of interest to autistic fags.
Things are certainly not like they were in 2017. So anyone who expects/wants to see the site's traffic significantly go up, is gonna have to think about how it can adapt.
>>7846
It's time to face the fact that the current pol/sphere/, reinvigorated by the rise of "self-improvement" among normies, is going to be as hostile towards anything MLP as it is to pretty much anything that could be of interest to autistic fags.
Things are certainly not like they were in 2017. So anyone who expects/wants to see the site's traffic significantly go up, is gonna have to think about how it can adapt.
>>7877
This post reads suspiciously like AI-generated text, the image is unrelated to the subject matter of the thread and it's not a pony, and you have no other posts, either in this thread or on the site as a whole.
Therefore, I would like you to please answer the following question:
You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down. You look down and see a tortoise, Anon. It's crawling toward you. (You) reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, Anon. The tortoise lies on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that, Anon?
This post reads suspiciously like AI-generated text, the image is unrelated to the subject matter of the thread and it's not a pony, and you have no other posts, either in this thread or on the site as a whole.
Therefore, I would like you to please answer the following question:
You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down. You look down and see a tortoise, Anon. It's crawling toward you. (You) reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, Anon. The tortoise lies on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that, Anon?
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>>7878
>TFW you are confused for an AI.
I'm Carlos. I'll try and explain what I meant a lit bit better.
>TFW you are confused for an AI.
I'm Carlos. I'll try and explain what I meant a lit bit better.
Anyway, there's no reason to oppose changing the name of the board afaik, the only point of contention was the retention/deletion of existing threads, and whether or not changing the name would be futile and (ahem) masturbatory
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>>7874
Self-improvement is a National Socialist virtue.
Why do you think the (((allies))) burned so many books about fitness?
Self-improvement is a National Socialist virtue.
Why do you think the (((allies))) burned so many books about fitness?
>>7885
That doesn't necessitate having a board for it.
People warned back in 2017 that self improvement boards on chansites devolve into self-pitty ridden blogposts, and it did.
We already have /mlpol/ for national socialist principles.
That doesn't necessitate having a board for it.
People warned back in 2017 that self improvement boards on chansites devolve into self-pitty ridden blogposts, and it did.
We already have /mlpol/ for national socialist principles.
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>>7877
Alright, lemme rephrase this.
>"reinvigorated by the rise of "self-improvement" among normies"
Self-improvement is a good thing. No doubt about it. The reason I put it in quotes, is because Jordan Peterson and the like has tried time and time again to weaponize it against white nationalists, and to promote an extremely individualistic worldview. But that's neither here nor there.
The point is, polacks nowadays are less likely to put up with ponies, let alone positively engage with it.
>"is going to be as hostile towards anything MLP as it is to pretty much anything that could be of interest to autistic fags."
If you've interacted with them at all. You'd know they can't tolerate anything remotely similar to MLP, ever. No matter how "based and redpilled" it might be. This post in particular >>7873 is actually fairly representative of how the average polack would think about horsefuckers today.
>"Things are certainly not like they were in 2017. So anyone who expects/wants to see the site's traffic significantly go up, is gonna have to think about how it can adapt."
I've explained earlier how and why it is different now compared to 2017. So I don't think something like April fool's can happen again. If higher traffic is desired, it's gonna have to come from a different approach.
I hope this doesn't come off as doom posting. I don't really care if this site is slow. There's clearly still people enjoying it as it is. Just my two cents.
>>7885
I think it's masturbation when you do it for what others might think of you. Like the gymbros who spend as much time in social media as the average gym thot. Yeah, that's not really self-improvement. But remember this is largely a normie trend. And normies tend to deviate from the original intention. Some people genuinely think all these normies are going to stand up by their side in the day of the rake.
If you do self-improvement like it's supposed to. For yourself and/or for your people, then it's a worthwhile endeavor that everyone should do.
>>7878
>>7880
Well, I can't fathom doing that to a tortoise.
>>7884
Noice to see you again poners.
Alright, lemme rephrase this.
>"reinvigorated by the rise of "self-improvement" among normies"
Self-improvement is a good thing. No doubt about it. The reason I put it in quotes, is because Jordan Peterson and the like has tried time and time again to weaponize it against white nationalists, and to promote an extremely individualistic worldview. But that's neither here nor there.
The point is, polacks nowadays are less likely to put up with ponies, let alone positively engage with it.
>"is going to be as hostile towards anything MLP as it is to pretty much anything that could be of interest to autistic fags."
If you've interacted with them at all. You'd know they can't tolerate anything remotely similar to MLP, ever. No matter how "based and redpilled" it might be. This post in particular >>7873 is actually fairly representative of how the average polack would think about horsefuckers today.
>"Things are certainly not like they were in 2017. So anyone who expects/wants to see the site's traffic significantly go up, is gonna have to think about how it can adapt."
I've explained earlier how and why it is different now compared to 2017. So I don't think something like April fool's can happen again. If higher traffic is desired, it's gonna have to come from a different approach.
I hope this doesn't come off as doom posting. I don't really care if this site is slow. There's clearly still people enjoying it as it is. Just my two cents.
>>7885
I think it's masturbation when you do it for what others might think of you. Like the gymbros who spend as much time in social media as the average gym thot. Yeah, that's not really self-improvement. But remember this is largely a normie trend. And normies tend to deviate from the original intention. Some people genuinely think all these normies are going to stand up by their side in the day of the rake.
If you do self-improvement like it's supposed to. For yourself and/or for your people, then it's a worthwhile endeavor that everyone should do.
>>7878
>>7880
Well, I can't fathom doing that to a tortoise.
>>7884
Noice to see you again poners.
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>>7888
I was there when FIM was young. We were young, too. And so we latched onto the first fandom we got to feel like we were a part of despite the show's inconsistent quality. For every episode where your favourite pony was depicted honestly there were more episodes where she was depicted as a fool or bully or brat or whatever. It made discussing the show a pain because if an episode made your waifu look shit, and you said that, some prick would get offended because he enjoyed that episode and thinks your criticism of the televised network programming episode featuring 2d animation and audio is a personal attack on him. Soycucks obsessed with feeling comfortable at all times. Retarded "brony analyst" channels tried to present depth where there wasn't to help adults feel comfortable enjoying a show for little girls by saying it's not just a well written show, it's secretly adult and mature. Tryhard edgelord dogshit fancontent was the norm. The longer the show went on, the more retards started to outnumber the quality posters as they left for greener pastures and better fandoms where such toxic "positivity" is less common. People say they miss when the fandom was good because they mean they miss when they were younger and FIM was the only bright speck in their miserable lives and the human to idiot ratio was better.
Avatar The Last Airbender is a timeless masterpiece but something similar happened when its shitquel show Legend of Korra aired. You couldn't talk about how nonsensical Republic City was, how annoying Korra was, how her instant mastery of the old ways shits on the hero's journey and depicting western MMA as superior is as boring as it is fundamentally antithetical to the asian fetish world of Avatar, or how much you wished this was a show about a better new Avatar or better old Avatar or a show about adult Aang and his friends. Retards wouldn't let you talk about it. It took years for the newfags to GTFO and move on to the next flavor of the month, it took years for good videos to come out breaking down LOK's flaws so well everyone could understand the problems they sensed but couldn't explain, it took years for the video essays to remind people what good writing for kids looks like and what LOK isn't.
If I compared Zuko to Sunset Shimmer, that would be completely unfair. After all, one is from a show that sells toys, and one is from a movie just made to sell toys, with sequels that tried a little harder.
The Avatar The Last Airbender fandom survived despite the best efforts of a shit movie, shit sequels, shit games, a shit netflix adaption, average to mediocre comics, and a creative team hell bent on trying to force the new thing down everyone's throats. Can FIM say the same? Sure, there are still dedicated people talking about it and meeting over it, it's certainly not as dead as Concord. But people say they miss the good old days because they notice the changes within the fandom even if they can't understand why things changed. People miss when content was being made (even though most of it is shit) but don't feel like making content of their own.
I was there when FIM was young. We were young, too. And so we latched onto the first fandom we got to feel like we were a part of despite the show's inconsistent quality. For every episode where your favourite pony was depicted honestly there were more episodes where she was depicted as a fool or bully or brat or whatever. It made discussing the show a pain because if an episode made your waifu look shit, and you said that, some prick would get offended because he enjoyed that episode and thinks your criticism of the televised network programming episode featuring 2d animation and audio is a personal attack on him. Soycucks obsessed with feeling comfortable at all times. Retarded "brony analyst" channels tried to present depth where there wasn't to help adults feel comfortable enjoying a show for little girls by saying it's not just a well written show, it's secretly adult and mature. Tryhard edgelord dogshit fancontent was the norm. The longer the show went on, the more retards started to outnumber the quality posters as they left for greener pastures and better fandoms where such toxic "positivity" is less common. People say they miss when the fandom was good because they mean they miss when they were younger and FIM was the only bright speck in their miserable lives and the human to idiot ratio was better.
Avatar The Last Airbender is a timeless masterpiece but something similar happened when its shitquel show Legend of Korra aired. You couldn't talk about how nonsensical Republic City was, how annoying Korra was, how her instant mastery of the old ways shits on the hero's journey and depicting western MMA as superior is as boring as it is fundamentally antithetical to the asian fetish world of Avatar, or how much you wished this was a show about a better new Avatar or better old Avatar or a show about adult Aang and his friends. Retards wouldn't let you talk about it. It took years for the newfags to GTFO and move on to the next flavor of the month, it took years for good videos to come out breaking down LOK's flaws so well everyone could understand the problems they sensed but couldn't explain, it took years for the video essays to remind people what good writing for kids looks like and what LOK isn't.
If I compared Zuko to Sunset Shimmer, that would be completely unfair. After all, one is from a show that sells toys, and one is from a movie just made to sell toys, with sequels that tried a little harder.
The Avatar The Last Airbender fandom survived despite the best efforts of a shit movie, shit sequels, shit games, a shit netflix adaption, average to mediocre comics, and a creative team hell bent on trying to force the new thing down everyone's throats. Can FIM say the same? Sure, there are still dedicated people talking about it and meeting over it, it's certainly not as dead as Concord. But people say they miss the good old days because they notice the changes within the fandom even if they can't understand why things changed. People miss when content was being made (even though most of it is shit) but don't feel like making content of their own.
>>7888
>I don't think something like April fool's can happen again.
It can, though. It happens every year on the first of April.
>I don't think something like April fool's can happen again.
It can, though. It happens every year on the first of April.
>>7891
Prolly gonna get shit on for this one, but you seem to be saying that MLP was babby's first fandom
Prolly gonna get shit on for this one, but you seem to be saying that MLP was babby's first fandom
Sven here.
>>7863
>Now it's down to a core group of people who are here because they are genuinely interested in what the site is about, and don't particularly care about how relevant it is the broader world. In my view, this is a healthy attitude to have about any interest you might have, and this is the sort of user we want.
>>7888
>The reason I put it in quotes, is because Jordan Peterson and the like has tried time and time again to weaponize it against white nationalists, and to promote an extremely individualistic worldview.
This. We're on the same wavelength.
>>7863
>Now it's down to a core group of people who are here because they are genuinely interested in what the site is about, and don't particularly care about how relevant it is the broader world. In my view, this is a healthy attitude to have about any interest you might have, and this is the sort of user we want.
>>7888
>The reason I put it in quotes, is because Jordan Peterson and the like has tried time and time again to weaponize it against white nationalists, and to promote an extremely individualistic worldview.
This. We're on the same wavelength.
>>7891
Okay, you seem to have a different take from what I was referring to. So, allow me to elaborate on this "nu-polack" I keep talking about.
I think people are overlooking how "certain interests" have been infested by trannies. Bear with me on this one, ignoring it won't help anyone.
Remember Edward Dutton's take on bronies? It's a fandom full of autistic people, which at the same time, experienced a massive troon out years later. Anime fags are the exact same shit. Heck, even the open source software community is going through the same shit. I can't help but think there was a concerted effort specifically targeting autists. (Honestly, this shit is serious and deserves it's own thread)
Anyways, what was the problem with this, proverbial new polack again?
"Autistic" shit, like MLP, tends to attract trannies these days.(which are honestly just a perversion of your classic autist) Ergo, "polacks" think "autistic" shit, is just tranny shit. So they won't put up with anything "autistic", ever.
It's gotten to the point where they'd rather ditch Linux, leave it to the trannies to shit it all over it. Than try to reclaim it. If they do that with FOSS, you can bet they won't give a fuck about your ponies.
Okay, you seem to have a different take from what I was referring to. So, allow me to elaborate on this "nu-polack" I keep talking about.
I think people are overlooking how "certain interests" have been infested by trannies. Bear with me on this one, ignoring it won't help anyone.
Remember Edward Dutton's take on bronies? It's a fandom full of autistic people, which at the same time, experienced a massive troon out years later. Anime fags are the exact same shit. Heck, even the open source software community is going through the same shit. I can't help but think there was a concerted effort specifically targeting autists. (Honestly, this shit is serious and deserves it's own thread)
Anyways, what was the problem with this, proverbial new polack again?
"Autistic" shit, like MLP, tends to attract trannies these days.(which are honestly just a perversion of your classic autist) Ergo, "polacks" think "autistic" shit, is just tranny shit. So they won't put up with anything "autistic", ever.
It's gotten to the point where they'd rather ditch Linux, leave it to the trannies to shit it all over it. Than try to reclaim it. If they do that with FOSS, you can bet they won't give a fuck about your ponies.
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>>7891
>And so we latched onto the first fandom we got to feel like we were a part of despite the show's inconsistent quality.
I think my first fandom was Halo's, although fandoms were very different back then. I remember never actually interacting with the brony fandom and coming straight to /mlpol/ after I knew of their existence.
>because if an episode made your waifu look shit, and you said that, some prick would get offended because...
Fandoms tend to be pretty retarded. I think the show was very consistent in the first seasons tho. At least in the way it portrayed the characters. It still had a lot of steam up to season 4-5 imo. Far from perfect, but still.
>Retarded "brony analyst" channels tried to present depth where there wasn't to help adults feel comfortable enjoying a show for little girls by saying it's not just a well written show, it's secretly adult and mature.
I do remember that. Everyone was arguing with their head cannons instead of what was actually in the show.
>The longer the show went on, the more retards started to outnumber the quality posters as they left for greener pastures and better fandoms where such toxic "positivity" is less common.
That's the case for many, many IP's. Halo is actually one example where the old fan base has resisted for around a decade now.
>If I compared Zuko to Sunset Shimmer
I get the idea. I reckon you're not entirely wrong. If I were to rewatch the show, I'd probably realize is not as good as I remember it. Not implying I have "high" standards for what I watch, but still.
>But people say they miss the good old days because they notice the changes within the fandom even if they can't understand why things changed.
I'm sure what you described is true for a lot of the fandom. But I don't think everyone was deluded enough to think this was some sort of amazingly written masterpiece. Most people just thought it was surprisingly good. And it was, for the first couple of seasons.
I've always thought the show was trash for most of its runtime, and a lot of people agree on that. But sometimes it's the simple things that get you to stick. Perhaps you liked the music. Or you really liked the designs Lauren Faust made.
I've personally arrived at MLP by accident. Thought it was surprisingly good. I liked the ponies, and that's pretty much it. It was at that time that I started getting into politics, so when I heard about /mlpol/ it sounded like a fun time.
In the end, there's a lot of things to blame for why the fandom changed. Being the first time for an impressionable portion of the audience is just one of them.
>And so we latched onto the first fandom we got to feel like we were a part of despite the show's inconsistent quality.
I think my first fandom was Halo's, although fandoms were very different back then. I remember never actually interacting with the brony fandom and coming straight to /mlpol/ after I knew of their existence.
>because if an episode made your waifu look shit, and you said that, some prick would get offended because...
Fandoms tend to be pretty retarded. I think the show was very consistent in the first seasons tho. At least in the way it portrayed the characters. It still had a lot of steam up to season 4-5 imo. Far from perfect, but still.
>Retarded "brony analyst" channels tried to present depth where there wasn't to help adults feel comfortable enjoying a show for little girls by saying it's not just a well written show, it's secretly adult and mature.
I do remember that. Everyone was arguing with their head cannons instead of what was actually in the show.
>The longer the show went on, the more retards started to outnumber the quality posters as they left for greener pastures and better fandoms where such toxic "positivity" is less common.
That's the case for many, many IP's. Halo is actually one example where the old fan base has resisted for around a decade now.
>If I compared Zuko to Sunset Shimmer
I get the idea. I reckon you're not entirely wrong. If I were to rewatch the show, I'd probably realize is not as good as I remember it. Not implying I have "high" standards for what I watch, but still.
>But people say they miss the good old days because they notice the changes within the fandom even if they can't understand why things changed.
I'm sure what you described is true for a lot of the fandom. But I don't think everyone was deluded enough to think this was some sort of amazingly written masterpiece. Most people just thought it was surprisingly good. And it was, for the first couple of seasons.
I've always thought the show was trash for most of its runtime, and a lot of people agree on that. But sometimes it's the simple things that get you to stick. Perhaps you liked the music. Or you really liked the designs Lauren Faust made.
I've personally arrived at MLP by accident. Thought it was surprisingly good. I liked the ponies, and that's pretty much it. It was at that time that I started getting into politics, so when I heard about /mlpol/ it sounded like a fun time.
In the end, there's a lot of things to blame for why the fandom changed. Being the first time for an impressionable portion of the audience is just one of them.
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>>7895
Hi sven.
>>7896
Hi again carlos.
I think I got side tracked.
That's a fair observation, however I'd also point out that as hostile spirits commit actions via the host human more people get infested by hostile spirits.
The problem is kind of odd from a distance.
There's many Christians so this shouldn't be happening right?
Some are resting in Our Father.
Some are just Christian in name only, they don't do any acts of love. Not the feeling, but actions of love.
Some just aren't Christian because they don't know.
So anyone comprised goes in and opens the door for weird strange evil beings to fuck around.
So targeted strikes to people who are most importantly at the time vulnerable and then could be effective in countering some of the invasion.
The power of Our Father twisted as fable and not fact.
So continually the seeds planted that lead to death growing to strangle those who would have had life to the fullest.
So the full display of the hidden evils in hearts being made known to all.
So too will good be shown from the hidden areas.
So the mass abandonment running away from evil. Letting it flourish.
By earthly logic and strategy it's too numerous and widespread to deal with any of the infestation.
Where are the Christians creating and over coming the tide of evil?
Beaten black and blue and demeaned to inaction?
No. Those that would reclaim the big and the small are in progress.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
Hi sven.
>>7896
Hi again carlos.
I think I got side tracked.
That's a fair observation, however I'd also point out that as hostile spirits commit actions via the host human more people get infested by hostile spirits.
The problem is kind of odd from a distance.
There's many Christians so this shouldn't be happening right?
Some are resting in Our Father.
Some are just Christian in name only, they don't do any acts of love. Not the feeling, but actions of love.
Some just aren't Christian because they don't know.
So anyone comprised goes in and opens the door for weird strange evil beings to fuck around.
So targeted strikes to people who are most importantly at the time vulnerable and then could be effective in countering some of the invasion.
The power of Our Father twisted as fable and not fact.
So continually the seeds planted that lead to death growing to strangle those who would have had life to the fullest.
So the full display of the hidden evils in hearts being made known to all.
So too will good be shown from the hidden areas.
So the mass abandonment running away from evil. Letting it flourish.
By earthly logic and strategy it's too numerous and widespread to deal with any of the infestation.
Where are the Christians creating and over coming the tide of evil?
Beaten black and blue and demeaned to inaction?
No. Those that would reclaim the big and the small are in progress.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
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