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Future economic systems?
Anonymous
ace2624
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No.384880
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It was suggested that I make a new thread dedicated to expanding on this question:
>Well what about the falling rate of profit? Think the reason so many people are putting their bets on communism is they're just hoping something works if capitalism ends up not working--which seems to be the case.
>Someone needs to figure out the logistics no matter what happens in the future. If nationalism, what economic system? If communism, what flavor? If barbarism, how do we power the grain mill? If feudalism, what do we do when that evolves into capitalism again and we're in this situation again but without oil?
Do we have a contingency plan if the capitalism/neoliberal economics thing doesn't work out? How do we do an economic system if profit ends up being on average impossible in the future?
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Anonymous
09e49a0
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No.386340
>>386326
>deficits should be solved by cutting spending (incl. oh-so-precious gibs)
I agree. But there is political difficulty in that. The voters find it less painful to force tax burden onto foreign countries than to reduce their gibs.
I hope that this will change, but I strongly feel that natural selection is against us.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
09e49a0
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No.386354
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>>386343
you are mentally ill
Anonymous
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No.386422
386427 386477
>>386343
>Inflation and deflation are by definition and adjustment of the value of an individual's life.
That's not at all how inflation or deflation is defined. Fractional reserve banking and the practice of usury means that inflation is defined as an arcane form of coin clipping. Deflation conversely does not exist in any meaningful sense, since it involves adding value back to units of currency and is as such avoided by banks at all costs.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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>>386427
That's an incidental effect, not the intended function
Anonymous
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No.386477
386480
>>386422
We’re arguing with a hamster.
Anonymous
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No.386480
>>386354
>>386477
t. Bri'ish
Anonymous
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Anonymous
0018567
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>>386237
They support no tariffs, no taxes, and child sex slaves. Are you honestly surprised they are retarded?
There are times I want to side with communism over libertarianism until the commies start talking about lining up every productive worker against the wall for not perfectly following their communist doctrine.

Why are both sides SO GOD DAMN FUCKING RETARDED? I would like to make sure the workers get their needs instead of being thrown away and replaced when they get too broken to work. Or encourage innovations to help improve society instead of it getting stolen or shut down by government or greedy corpos.
Anonymous
ace2624
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No.386800
386805
>>386788
Well there's different sects of commies, if you like their theory but don't like the firing squad stuff, maybe something like anarcho-syndicalism? Seems interesting from the Wikipedia. I could see it mixed with >>384890 being a promising combo.
Anonymous
0018567
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No.386805
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>>386800
Anarcho-synadicalism? So basically gangs and cartels, the two things I hate the most in this world.
Before some retard go, "Hurr durr, not all of them are gangs and cartels", you undermining the ruling system with your fellow comrades, that is literally a gang by definition. We're trying to build a better nation, not being a parasite.

That being said, Anarcho-synadicialism does work but it require a network. Sometimes the ruling system can't unfuck itself or will take a long time to unfuck itself. At that point you can wait or find people who share your common interest and try to help one another in a broken system.

When the automation/AI/robots take over, I will love to see how the lolbertards is going to solve the problem of a huge jobless starving angry mob which they can't put to the wall then who's is going to consume all those products produce by automation/AI/robots?
Anonymous
cbc7266
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No.386807
[YouTube] Monty Python "Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune" [Embed]
Anonymous
a58d501
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No.386808
386814 388076
>>386805
Give everyone their own robot that will build shit for them.
Anonymous
0018567
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No.386814
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>>386808
>Even if the labor is free, what the fuck is material cost?
>Implying people don't sell their government issued robot the first chance they get
You making it a lot easier for me to take the commie pill
Anonymous
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No.386816
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>>386814
Make the mines into public commons send robot to the mines for materials. For materials that don't need to be mined use bioreactor with AI assisted enzyme design.
Anonymous
0018567
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No.386820
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>>386816
But what if you live in a country that doesn't got those materials? Checkmate.
I'm not going to ask how you magically got everybody a robot that can do every task to meet their needs.
Anonymous
a58d501
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No.386822
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>>386820
>But what if you live in a country that doesn't got those materials?
Buy them from a country that does or trade?

>I'm not going to ask how you magically got everybody a robot that can do every task to meet their needs.
You probably don't need to give everyone a robot that can do every task. Person A gets a 3D printer, person B gets a CNC machine, person C gets a bioreactor, ect. None of these pieces of equipment are very expensive and they could be purchased with tax money and given to people. The idea here is to make people less dependent on both mega corporations AND the state.
Anonymous
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No.386824
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Anonymous
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No.386827
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>>386805
>When the automation/AI/robots take over, I will love to see how the lolbertards is going to solve the problem of a huge jobless starving angry mob which they can't put to the wall then who's is going to consume all those products produce by automation/AI/robots?
I'm tired of neo-Luddism and imbeciles like (You) that follow it because neural links can shit a terrible illusion of a reasonable mind
Anonymous
0018567
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No.386830
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>>386827
OP asked about future economic systems. In the future, most people jobs will be replaced by machines. I'm just point out the obvious. In order to have a strong economy, people need purchasing power in order to consume, but it's hard to do that if a lot of people have no job. The only solution is to give everybody an income from the government in order to keep the economy moving.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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No.386840
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>>386830
new id cuz phonefagginf
the state cannot generate wealth: it can only cease it from others through taxation
Following your logic money from taxed businesses should be given to niggercattle to let the cattle consooom products of said businesses
Anonymous
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No.386841
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>>386830
Or maybe western civilisation will collapse before that happens. The competency crisis is already here. And a lot of people do seem to complain about techlology spiraling out of control. Or do you think the human race would rather willingly enslave itself even further just so a robot can wipe their ass for them?
Anonymous
0018567
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No.386842
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>>386840
Yes, that is the future where people are niggercattle. Their job is to consume until the day they die like cattle.
Anonymous
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No.386843
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>>386836
>socialist rhetoric
lol
>>386842
Your system wouldn't work because there's no incentive to keep niggercattle
unless, or course, you want to do
>soylent green is people!
Anonymous
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No.386844
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1745392767.mkv (1.9 MB, Resolution:426x240 Length:00:01:15, inflation_endebts_you_to_your_master.mkv) [play once] [loop]
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Anonymous
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>>386843
We already have niggercattle that already useless. In fact, they worse then useless because some are a cost to society.
It's a lot expensive to feed a niggercattle behind bars with security watching them 24/7.
Anonymous
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>>386843
>socialist rhetoric
Mussolini: What's good for the state is good for the people
Mosley: Pinkos and jew lovers are ruining Britain
Hitler: What's good for the people is good for the state (p.s. Bolsheviks and their allies aren't human)
Anonymous
dc91ac6
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No.386847
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>>386844
I'm not going to bother watching that because you are attempting to use it to define the economic system we live in as how you'd like it to be, not as it actually is. Inflation isn't defined by the value of labour, even if we'd all like it to be, it's defined as the reduction of the purchasing power of the dollar due to the ever mounting weight of interest payments. As nice as it would be to live in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, nobody here is German, or living in Germany over a hundred years ago, so it is completely worthless to wish for a state of affairs that currently does not exist.

You aren't dropping truth nukes here to the unenlightened, you're preaching to a choir sans church.
Anonymous
eb074ce
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No.386848
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>>386845
>have a tumor
<chemotherapy is difficult
>let the tumor grow
Anonymous
0018567
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No.386849
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>>386848
I wish we can dump our prison population into the meat grinder like Russia
Anonymous
eb074ce
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>>386846
>bolsheviks were wrong socialists
kek gooe luck solving the ECP in your natsoc state
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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>>386844
>Looks like someone hasn't taken a step back to look at who created fractional reserve banking and usury.
Both are forms of slavery.
ATTENTION: YOU MUST BE THIS TALL TO POST HERE
Anonymous
eb074ce
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No.386853
>>386849
you can though
Your fancy piece of paper allows for involuntary servitude as a punishment for a crime
declare war of Iran, goyim
Anonymous
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Anonymous
25c2fa5
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No.386857
>>386851
>(((the business cycle)))
this is what it's all about: it's classic bait and switch ploy. But the question is this... after a while, the victim gets wind of the pattern and is reluctant to borrow (print) too much when when rates are low. So then how do you get them under enough pressure to panic borrow?
Anonymous
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No.386858
386874
>>386851
As mentioned, that is an incidental effect of our present economic system, our present economic system operates almost entirely off of fiat. The dollar has value because the government says so, the dollar loses value because of usury. Man hours does not even enter into it, as a matter of fact, every single western economy has shifted away from manufacturing where man hours produce tangible value to a worthless service and debt-based economy concealed by the market's faith in GDP.

Basing a currency value on time alone is an unfathomably stupid idea, because that's how you incentivise service economies where a double digit percentage of humanity is engaged in hamster wheel gigs that lead nowhere. Time spent on labour means nothing if tangible goods are not produced from them, if services must exist, they must demonstrably prove that they augment production or extraction labour.
Anonymous
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>>386850
>bolsheviks
>socialists
Bolsheviks are Tikkun olam worshipers. Communism is Jewry.
Anonymous
eb074ce
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No.386862
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>>386856
>Most people are happy to be wageslaves as long their needs as meet. But in the future when automation/AI/robots take over, most people won't have that option.
Luddite, machines already replaced millions of manual labor workers
Anonymous
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No.386864
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>>386862
I meant to have that part as a quote. That part was from the person I was responding to.
Anonymous
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>>386864
Feel like pic rel rn
Anonymous
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No.386868
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>>386856
>Maybe people can find employment as lab rats for new transhumanist technologies or as bioreactors for antibodies.
>Get in the pod, goy
The matrix future is a possibility.
Anonymous
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No.386870
>>386868
Oh I bet we could graft organs onto people for transplants too! All kinds of options for employment!
Anonymous
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>>386866
>She seemed really into me though, and I'm not really sure why.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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>>386874
>All currency is based on man-hours
It currently, presently, literally is not, no matter what kind of mental gymnastics you go through.
Anonymous
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No.386876
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>>386874
> All currency is based on man-hours
maybe it should, but I doubt it actually is.
Because man-hours in the West are valued differently from man-hours in Bujumbura
And then there is the individual level of efficiency or competence of the person... every person is different and has a different work capacity and efficiency. Someone with higher capacity and efficiency will probably be valued more, no?
Anonymous
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