It was suggested that I make a new thread dedicated to expanding on this question:
>Well what about the falling rate of profit? Think the reason so many people are putting their bets on communism is they're just hoping something works if capitalism ends up not working--which seems to be the case.
>Someone needs to figure out the logistics no matter what happens in the future. If nationalism, what economic system? If communism, what flavor? If barbarism, how do we power the grain mill? If feudalism, what do we do when that evolves into capitalism again and we're in this situation again but without oil?
Do we have a contingency plan if the capitalism/neoliberal economics thing doesn't work out? How do we do an economic system if profit ends up being on average impossible in the future?
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>>386305
>Because Germany had a jew and communist problem.
Why do you believe the government has both perfect target identification, and is populated by incorruptible benevolent saints? Your attitude is towards a common man entering government is analogous to a leftist's towards a cannibal from the Congo becoming an upstanding Irish national; magic soil.
>If they can easily change the constitution it means the people or individuals never had a stake in constitutional rights to begin with
Sorry, but that's how the overwhelming majority have always treated politics (for natural logical reasons). People spend about 2 minutes deciding who to vote for; another reason among many for why the size of government should be infinitesimal.
>I dont see how any of this is a good argument for nazi germany being "anti private property".
Ok.
>Because Germany had a jew and communist problem.
Why do you believe the government has both perfect target identification, and is populated by incorruptible benevolent saints? Your attitude is towards a common man entering government is analogous to a leftist's towards a cannibal from the Congo becoming an upstanding Irish national; magic soil.
>If they can easily change the constitution it means the people or individuals never had a stake in constitutional rights to begin with
Sorry, but that's how the overwhelming majority have always treated politics (for natural logical reasons). People spend about 2 minutes deciding who to vote for; another reason among many for why the size of government should be infinitesimal.
>I dont see how any of this is a good argument for nazi germany being "anti private property".
Ok.
>>386306
>I dont think inflation is inherent to healthcare and welfare
Nor do I. I'm highlighting that your prior statement from #386235 that:
>"Usury is not inflation, but usury is clearly the biggest cause of it."
is wrong.
>but it is inherent to usury
You’re contradicting yourself. You’ve said in #385267 that a reckless bank makes bad loans and goes bankrupt, then the government decides to print money -causing inflation- to bail out the reckless bank out ad infinitum:
>bank secretly knows the debt never gets paid off, bank runs out of money, government bails out bank by printing more money.
You’ve literally told inflation is not inherent to usury; the government decides to print money.
>In order to have zero inflation we would abolish money
Lol’d. Inflation occurs because the supply of money is increased. Contrary to your absurd belief, you can in fact, simultaneously have money, and choose not to print more of it. Bonkers.
>Commodities or shiny rocks simply cant replace it
They can’t replace fiat’s ability to allow the printer access to the fruits of inflationary taxation. You can’t print gold for vastly less than anyone can mine it, but you can print money and buy assets at it’s current nominal value.
>I dont think inflation is inherent to healthcare and welfare
Nor do I. I'm highlighting that your prior statement from #386235 that:
>"Usury is not inflation, but usury is clearly the biggest cause of it."
is wrong.
>but it is inherent to usury
You’re contradicting yourself. You’ve said in #385267 that a reckless bank makes bad loans and goes bankrupt, then the government decides to print money -causing inflation- to bail out the reckless bank out ad infinitum:
>bank secretly knows the debt never gets paid off, bank runs out of money, government bails out bank by printing more money.
You’ve literally told inflation is not inherent to usury; the government decides to print money.
>In order to have zero inflation we would abolish money
Lol’d. Inflation occurs because the supply of money is increased. Contrary to your absurd belief, you can in fact, simultaneously have money, and choose not to print more of it. Bonkers.
>Commodities or shiny rocks simply cant replace it
They can’t replace fiat’s ability to allow the printer access to the fruits of inflationary taxation. You can’t print gold for vastly less than anyone can mine it, but you can print money and buy assets at it’s current nominal value.
>>386313
>Paid for using bonds (usury), and federal reserve notes (usury)
Because there's a massive imbalance between taxes raised and government spending.
If we switched off usury, instead of the US government going into debt, it would've simply collapsed decades ago the moment it's savings and assets were sold off to fund the deficit.
>Private health insurance in the US doesn't impose significant incentives to reduce cost in US hospitals ($20 asprin pill in the hospital)
Might have something to do with the 1.7 trillion dollars the US government spends on healthcare (more than any nation on earth). The government's tremendous interference through regulations, subsidy and taxes has distorted the market. This should be obvious.
The issue here is government interference, not usury.
>Insurance also causes inflation by reducing investor risk
Remove the government mandate for insurance. Also this isn't usury.
> then get bought back by the federal reserve (usury).
Again the government CHOOSES TO INTERFERE with the market. It could just as easily use taxes to fund this interference, in fact 5 trillion out of the 7 trillion dollars that the government uses to interfere, are from taxes, not usury.
>The purpose of money [. . .] as the population shrinks.
I don't see why this is so. The dollars in existence doesn't need to fluctuate in response to the population size. What you're talking about is the divisibility of a currency. Increasing the quantity of a money is a very crude way to increase it's divisibility.
>Banning private banking, usury, and fractional reserves are one way of limiting inflation.
Taxing hording and speculation are other ways.
Limiting who uses the currency (domestic citizens only) is another way, because you limit the population the currency services.
Could just stop printing money.
>Ideally you would do all of the above, then [. . .]
What if you just reduced government spending? Ah, but that'd be giving up your control over other people, can't do that then can you?
>Paid for using bonds (usury), and federal reserve notes (usury)
Because there's a massive imbalance between taxes raised and government spending.
If we switched off usury, instead of the US government going into debt, it would've simply collapsed decades ago the moment it's savings and assets were sold off to fund the deficit.
>Private health insurance in the US doesn't impose significant incentives to reduce cost in US hospitals ($20 asprin pill in the hospital)
Might have something to do with the 1.7 trillion dollars the US government spends on healthcare (more than any nation on earth). The government's tremendous interference through regulations, subsidy and taxes has distorted the market. This should be obvious.
The issue here is government interference, not usury.
>Insurance also causes inflation by reducing investor risk
Remove the government mandate for insurance. Also this isn't usury.
> then get bought back by the federal reserve (usury).
Again the government CHOOSES TO INTERFERE with the market. It could just as easily use taxes to fund this interference, in fact 5 trillion out of the 7 trillion dollars that the government uses to interfere, are from taxes, not usury.
>The purpose of money [. . .] as the population shrinks.
I don't see why this is so. The dollars in existence doesn't need to fluctuate in response to the population size. What you're talking about is the divisibility of a currency. Increasing the quantity of a money is a very crude way to increase it's divisibility.
>Banning private banking, usury, and fractional reserves are one way of limiting inflation.
Taxing hording and speculation are other ways.
Limiting who uses the currency (domestic citizens only) is another way, because you limit the population the currency services.
Could just stop printing money.
>Ideally you would do all of the above, then [. . .]
What if you just reduced government spending? Ah, but that'd be giving up your control over other people, can't do that then can you?
>>386326
>deficits should be solved by cutting spending (incl. oh-so-precious gibs)
I agree. But there is political difficulty in that. The voters find it less painful to force tax burden onto foreign countries than to reduce their gibs.
I hope that this will change, but I strongly feel that natural selection is against us.
>deficits should be solved by cutting spending (incl. oh-so-precious gibs)
I agree. But there is political difficulty in that. The voters find it less painful to force tax burden onto foreign countries than to reduce their gibs.
I hope that this will change, but I strongly feel that natural selection is against us.
>>386339
>The dollars in existence doesn't need to fluctuate in response to the population size
A unit of currency represents a fraction of an individual's lifespan no matter what economic system you want to play with.
Inflation and deflation are by definition and adjustment of the value of an individual's life.
Don't print: live like a pauper and like die like a king
Print too much: spend it now or use it for rags
>Could just stop printing money.
>print money
Money has intrinsic value outside of an economy, currency does not. You cannot print money.
Nothing grand has been built without printing currency.
In fact, the only two purposes of government are to protect the standard of living, and improve the standard of living through massive projects.
>Ah, but that'd be giving up your control over other people, can't do that then can you?
Go to Nigeria if you want to live in a libertarian paradise.
If you want people to be stable and reproduce, you give them a marriage loan and deduct 25% of the value of the loan for every child they have.
Then you tax porn, whores, adultery, and parasocial media.
People will still use porn, whores, swingers clubs, and parasocial media, but you'll be funneling a portion of that exploitative time to something that helps everyone.
If you want people to be industrious, you give them a interest free loan to start a business.
Then you tax imported items and business that use foreign labor that undercuts domestic labor, and funnel that exploitative time to domestic industry.
What is so controversial about taxing parasites to keep them under control and using their resources to grow something positive?
>The dollars in existence doesn't need to fluctuate in response to the population size
A unit of currency represents a fraction of an individual's lifespan no matter what economic system you want to play with.
Inflation and deflation are by definition and adjustment of the value of an individual's life.
Don't print: live like a pauper and like die like a king
Print too much: spend it now or use it for rags
>Could just stop printing money.
>print money
Money has intrinsic value outside of an economy, currency does not. You cannot print money.
Nothing grand has been built without printing currency.
In fact, the only two purposes of government are to protect the standard of living, and improve the standard of living through massive projects.
>Ah, but that'd be giving up your control over other people, can't do that then can you?
Go to Nigeria if you want to live in a libertarian paradise.
If you want people to be stable and reproduce, you give them a marriage loan and deduct 25% of the value of the loan for every child they have.
Then you tax porn, whores, adultery, and parasocial media.
People will still use porn, whores, swingers clubs, and parasocial media, but you'll be funneling a portion of that exploitative time to something that helps everyone.
If you want people to be industrious, you give them a interest free loan to start a business.
Then you tax imported items and business that use foreign labor that undercuts domestic labor, and funnel that exploitative time to domestic industry.
What is so controversial about taxing parasites to keep them under control and using their resources to grow something positive?
>>386343
>Inflation and deflation are by definition and adjustment of the value of an individual's life.
That's not at all how inflation or deflation is defined. Fractional reserve banking and the practice of usury means that inflation is defined as an arcane form of coin clipping. Deflation conversely does not exist in any meaningful sense, since it involves adding value back to units of currency and is as such avoided by banks at all costs.
>Inflation and deflation are by definition and adjustment of the value of an individual's life.
That's not at all how inflation or deflation is defined. Fractional reserve banking and the practice of usury means that inflation is defined as an arcane form of coin clipping. Deflation conversely does not exist in any meaningful sense, since it involves adding value back to units of currency and is as such avoided by banks at all costs.
>>386422
>inflation or deflation is defined
>as an arcane form of coin clipping
Inflation:
You work 10 hours for 90oz of coinage (90% gold, 10% copper composition) today when two weeks ago your 10 hours earned you 100oz of coinage made of 100% gold.
Therefore: the time you spend at work (a fraction of your lifespan) has lost 10% of it's value.
The basis of all value is man-hours.
>>386354
Not an argument.
Nothing I've said is controversial. Almost everything I've described has been historically implemented.
The implementation was so wildly successful that investors and industrialists started a war over the implementation.
>inflation or deflation is defined
>as an arcane form of coin clipping
Inflation:
You work 10 hours for 90oz of coinage (90% gold, 10% copper composition) today when two weeks ago your 10 hours earned you 100oz of coinage made of 100% gold.
Therefore: the time you spend at work (a fraction of your lifespan) has lost 10% of it's value.
The basis of all value is man-hours.
>>386354
Not an argument.
Nothing I've said is controversial. Almost everything I've described has been historically implemented.
The implementation was so wildly successful that investors and industrialists started a war over the implementation.
>>386339
Laws on enforcing morals arent the same as gun control. Thats quite a dumb false equivalence. Nothing that i said logically concludes that we need to ban dangerous tools.
Who cares that boomer neocon inc. believes in high regulation? They arent regulating morals, it seems you just blatantly ignored the argument I made that they arent targeting pornographers
>>386328
The market should exist to benefit the people. It shouldnt exist to benefit monopolies. The whole point is that everyone can participate in the market, not let it be monopolized by a select few
Im a believer in monopolies, but the free market shouldnt apply to them in most cases
As the say, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Bosses and governments will face resistance if basic needs arent met. So I say its possible for them both to equally give a shit. Not all bosses are a part of corporate abuse
>>386334
I didnt contradict myself at all. A little inflation isnt bad. A lot of inflation is bad. Usury causes a lot of inflation, and even if welfare and healthcare didnt have a cost usury would still be an issue.
Also, usury is the main reason why they can import cheap brown labor, which is then driving up healthcare and welfare costs. Whites and asians produce a economic surplus, if we didnt have niggers and spics then your point about heathcare and welfare would be completely nullified
Laws on enforcing morals arent the same as gun control. Thats quite a dumb false equivalence. Nothing that i said logically concludes that we need to ban dangerous tools.
Who cares that boomer neocon inc. believes in high regulation? They arent regulating morals, it seems you just blatantly ignored the argument I made that they arent targeting pornographers
>>386328
The market should exist to benefit the people. It shouldnt exist to benefit monopolies. The whole point is that everyone can participate in the market, not let it be monopolized by a select few
Im a believer in monopolies, but the free market shouldnt apply to them in most cases
As the say, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Bosses and governments will face resistance if basic needs arent met. So I say its possible for them both to equally give a shit. Not all bosses are a part of corporate abuse
>>386334
I didnt contradict myself at all. A little inflation isnt bad. A lot of inflation is bad. Usury causes a lot of inflation, and even if welfare and healthcare didnt have a cost usury would still be an issue.
Also, usury is the main reason why they can import cheap brown labor, which is then driving up healthcare and welfare costs. Whites and asians produce a economic surplus, if we didnt have niggers and spics then your point about heathcare and welfare would be completely nullified
>>386237
They support no tariffs, no taxes, and child sex slaves. Are you honestly surprised they are retarded?
There are times I want to side with communism over libertarianism until the commies start talking about lining up every productive worker against the wall for not perfectly following their communist doctrine.
Why are both sides SO GOD DAMN FUCKING RETARDED? I would like to make sure the workers get their needs instead of being thrown away and replaced when they get too broken to work. Or encourage innovations to help improve society instead of it getting stolen or shut down by government or greedy corpos.
They support no tariffs, no taxes, and child sex slaves. Are you honestly surprised they are retarded?
There are times I want to side with communism over libertarianism until the commies start talking about lining up every productive worker against the wall for not perfectly following their communist doctrine.
Why are both sides SO GOD DAMN FUCKING RETARDED? I would like to make sure the workers get their needs instead of being thrown away and replaced when they get too broken to work. Or encourage innovations to help improve society instead of it getting stolen or shut down by government or greedy corpos.
>>386800
Anarcho-synadicalism? So basically gangs and cartels, the two things I hate the most in this world.
Before some retard go, "Hurr durr, not all of them are gangs and cartels", you undermining the ruling system with your fellow comrades, that is literally a gang by definition. We're trying to build a better nation, not being a parasite.
That being said, Anarcho-synadicialism does work but it require a network. Sometimes the ruling system can't unfuck itself or will take a long time to unfuck itself. At that point you can wait or find people who share your common interest and try to help one another in a broken system.
When the automation/AI/robots take over, I will love to see how the lolbertards is going to solve the problem of a huge jobless starving angry mob which they can't put to the wall then who's is going to consume all those products produce by automation/AI/robots?
Anarcho-synadicalism? So basically gangs and cartels, the two things I hate the most in this world.
Before some retard go, "Hurr durr, not all of them are gangs and cartels", you undermining the ruling system with your fellow comrades, that is literally a gang by definition. We're trying to build a better nation, not being a parasite.
That being said, Anarcho-synadicialism does work but it require a network. Sometimes the ruling system can't unfuck itself or will take a long time to unfuck itself. At that point you can wait or find people who share your common interest and try to help one another in a broken system.
When the automation/AI/robots take over, I will love to see how the lolbertards is going to solve the problem of a huge jobless starving angry mob which they can't put to the wall then who's is going to consume all those products produce by automation/AI/robots?
>>386808
>Even if the labor is free, what the fuck is material cost?
>Implying people don't sell their government issued robot the first chance they get
You making it a lot easier for me to take the commie pill
>Even if the labor is free, what the fuck is material cost?
>Implying people don't sell their government issued robot the first chance they get
You making it a lot easier for me to take the commie pill
>>386814
Make the mines into public commons send robot to the mines for materials. For materials that don't need to be mined use bioreactor with AI assisted enzyme design.
Make the mines into public commons send robot to the mines for materials. For materials that don't need to be mined use bioreactor with AI assisted enzyme design.
>>386816
But what if you live in a country that doesn't got those materials? Checkmate.
I'm not going to ask how you magically got everybody a robot that can do every task to meet their needs.
But what if you live in a country that doesn't got those materials? Checkmate.
I'm not going to ask how you magically got everybody a robot that can do every task to meet their needs.
>>386820
>But what if you live in a country that doesn't got those materials?
Buy them from a country that does or trade?
>I'm not going to ask how you magically got everybody a robot that can do every task to meet their needs.
You probably don't need to give everyone a robot that can do every task. Person A gets a 3D printer, person B gets a CNC machine, person C gets a bioreactor, ect. None of these pieces of equipment are very expensive and they could be purchased with tax money and given to people. The idea here is to make people less dependent on both mega corporations AND the state.
>But what if you live in a country that doesn't got those materials?
Buy them from a country that does or trade?
>I'm not going to ask how you magically got everybody a robot that can do every task to meet their needs.
You probably don't need to give everyone a robot that can do every task. Person A gets a 3D printer, person B gets a CNC machine, person C gets a bioreactor, ect. None of these pieces of equipment are very expensive and they could be purchased with tax money and given to people. The idea here is to make people less dependent on both mega corporations AND the state.
>>386822
>Buy them from a country that does or trade?
Did I forgot to mention he have no money? You going to send R2D2 to go collect materials from other country? By the R2D2 comeback and if it come back, it's owner have already starved to death.
>I know you have no money and hungry, but here's a government issued 3D printer.
Oh yeah, that's going to help feed him and his family. I bet the plastic taste good.
>The idea here is to make people less dependent on both mega corporations AND the state.
That's not going to happen and don't even pretend it can happen. Not everybody have the land, resources, or skills.
Most people are happy to be wageslaves as long their needs as meet. But in the future when automation/AI/robots take over, most people won't have that option. The main point of people is to consume resources to keep the economic train going.
>Buy them from a country that does or trade?
Did I forgot to mention he have no money? You going to send R2D2 to go collect materials from other country? By the R2D2 comeback and if it come back, it's owner have already starved to death.
>I know you have no money and hungry, but here's a government issued 3D printer.
Oh yeah, that's going to help feed him and his family. I bet the plastic taste good.
>The idea here is to make people less dependent on both mega corporations AND the state.
That's not going to happen and don't even pretend it can happen. Not everybody have the land, resources, or skills.
Most people are happy to be wageslaves as long their needs as meet. But in the future when automation/AI/robots take over, most people won't have that option. The main point of people is to consume resources to keep the economic train going.
>>386805
>When the automation/AI/robots take over, I will love to see how the lolbertards is going to solve the problem of a huge jobless starving angry mob which they can't put to the wall then who's is going to consume all those products produce by automation/AI/robots?
I'm tired of neo-Luddism and imbeciles like (You) that follow it because neural links can shit a terrible illusion of a reasonable mind
>When the automation/AI/robots take over, I will love to see how the lolbertards is going to solve the problem of a huge jobless starving angry mob which they can't put to the wall then who's is going to consume all those products produce by automation/AI/robots?
I'm tired of neo-Luddism and imbeciles like (You) that follow it because neural links can shit a terrible illusion of a reasonable mind
>>386827
OP asked about future economic systems. In the future, most people jobs will be replaced by machines. I'm just point out the obvious. In order to have a strong economy, people need purchasing power in order to consume, but it's hard to do that if a lot of people have no job. The only solution is to give everybody an income from the government in order to keep the economy moving.
OP asked about future economic systems. In the future, most people jobs will be replaced by machines. I'm just point out the obvious. In order to have a strong economy, people need purchasing power in order to consume, but it's hard to do that if a lot of people have no job. The only solution is to give everybody an income from the government in order to keep the economy moving.
>>386830
new id cuz phonefagginf
the state cannot generate wealth: it can only cease it from others through taxation
Following your logic money from taxed businesses should be given to niggercattle to let the cattle consooom products of said businesses
new id cuz phonefagginf
the state cannot generate wealth: it can only cease it from others through taxation
Following your logic money from taxed businesses should be given to niggercattle to let the cattle consooom products of said businesses
>>386830
Or maybe western civilisation will collapse before that happens. The competency crisis is already here. And a lot of people do seem to complain about techlology spiraling out of control. Or do you think the human race would rather willingly enslave itself even further just so a robot can wipe their ass for them?
Or maybe western civilisation will collapse before that happens. The competency crisis is already here. And a lot of people do seem to complain about techlology spiraling out of control. Or do you think the human race would rather willingly enslave itself even further just so a robot can wipe their ass for them?
>>386840
Yes, that is the future where people are niggercattle. Their job is to consume until the day they die like cattle.
Yes, that is the future where people are niggercattle. Their job is to consume until the day they die like cattle.
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>>386437
>That's an incidental effect, not the intended function
WEW
Looks like someone hasn't taken a step back to look at who created fractional reserve banking and usury.
Both are forms of slavery. vid related
>>386830
>people need purchasing power in order to consume
I HAVE TO CONSOOOOOM
I'M CONSOOOOMING
>The only solution is to give everybody an income from the government in order to keep the economy moving
I'M CONSOOOOOMING ARRRRRRRRRRGH!!1!!1!!!
The only people who matter are parents with children.
The child consumes food, water, clothes, toys, information and produces a future.
The parents can never provide all of these things in an adequate quantity to produce offspring of superior quality than themselves.
Raising superior future generations is the basis of the entire economy.
>That's an incidental effect, not the intended function
WEW
Looks like someone hasn't taken a step back to look at who created fractional reserve banking and usury.
Both are forms of slavery. vid related
>>386830
>people need purchasing power in order to consume
I HAVE TO CONSOOOOOM
I'M CONSOOOOMING
>The only solution is to give everybody an income from the government in order to keep the economy moving
I'M CONSOOOOOMING ARRRRRRRRRRGH!!1!!1!!!
The only people who matter are parents with children.
The child consumes food, water, clothes, toys, information and produces a future.
The parents can never provide all of these things in an adequate quantity to produce offspring of superior quality than themselves.
Raising superior future generations is the basis of the entire economy.
>>386843
We already have niggercattle that already useless. In fact, they worse then useless because some are a cost to society.
It's a lot expensive to feed a niggercattle behind bars with security watching them 24/7.
We already have niggercattle that already useless. In fact, they worse then useless because some are a cost to society.
It's a lot expensive to feed a niggercattle behind bars with security watching them 24/7.
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>>386843
>socialist rhetoric
Mussolini: What's good for the state is good for the people
Mosley: Pinkos and jew lovers are ruining Britain
Hitler: What's good for the people is good for the state (p.s. Bolsheviks and their allies aren't human)
>socialist rhetoric
Mussolini: What's good for the state is good for the people
Mosley: Pinkos and jew lovers are ruining Britain
Hitler: What's good for the people is good for the state (p.s. Bolsheviks and their allies aren't human)
>>386844
I'm not going to bother watching that because you are attempting to use it to define the economic system we live in as how you'd like it to be, not as it actually is. Inflation isn't defined by the value of labour, even if we'd all like it to be, it's defined as the reduction of the purchasing power of the dollar due to the ever mounting weight of interest payments. As nice as it would be to live in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, nobody here is German, or living in Germany over a hundred years ago, so it is completely worthless to wish for a state of affairs that currently does not exist.
You aren't dropping truth nukes here to the unenlightened, you're preaching to a choir sans church.
I'm not going to bother watching that because you are attempting to use it to define the economic system we live in as how you'd like it to be, not as it actually is. Inflation isn't defined by the value of labour, even if we'd all like it to be, it's defined as the reduction of the purchasing power of the dollar due to the ever mounting weight of interest payments. As nice as it would be to live in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, nobody here is German, or living in Germany over a hundred years ago, so it is completely worthless to wish for a state of affairs that currently does not exist.
You aren't dropping truth nukes here to the unenlightened, you're preaching to a choir sans church.
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>>386847
>Inflation isn't defined by the value of labour, even if we'd all like it to be
>it's defined as the reduction of the purchasing power
Your time = less things than the past
>due to the ever mounting weight of interest payments.
Your time = less things than the past (because coin clipping)
Thanks for confirming the definition of inflation.
>nobody here is German
I see a British flag (tally sticks, ban on usury)
I have an American flag (no central bank for most of it's existence)
>so it is completely worthless to wish for a state of affairs that currently does not exist
Thread Title: Future economic systems?
Does not exist.
Have another clip.
You should watch the whole thing, it would do you good: The Money Masters
>Inflation isn't defined by the value of labour, even if we'd all like it to be
>it's defined as the reduction of the purchasing power
Your time = less things than the past
>due to the ever mounting weight of interest payments.
Your time = less things than the past (because coin clipping)
Thanks for confirming the definition of inflation.
>nobody here is German
I see a British flag (tally sticks, ban on usury)
I have an American flag (no central bank for most of it's existence)
>so it is completely worthless to wish for a state of affairs that currently does not exist
Thread Title: Future economic systems?
Does not exist.
Have another clip.
You should watch the whole thing, it would do you good: The Money Masters
>>386844
>Looks like someone hasn't taken a step back to look at who created fractional reserve banking and usury.
Both are forms of slavery.
ATTENTION: YOU MUST BE THIS TALL TO POST HERE
>Looks like someone hasn't taken a step back to look at who created fractional reserve banking and usury.
Both are forms of slavery.
ATTENTION: YOU MUST BE THIS TALL TO POST HERE
>>386849
you can though
Your fancy piece of paper allows for involuntary servitude as a punishment for a crime
declare war of Iran, goyim
you can though
Your fancy piece of paper allows for involuntary servitude as a punishment for a crime
declare war of Iran, goyim
>>386824
>Oh yeah, that's going to help feed him and his family. I bet the plastic taste good.
They would be able to exchange the goods the create for other goods
>>386824
>That's not going to happen and don't even pretend it can happen. Not everybody have the land, resources, or skills.
Most people are happy to be wageslaves as long their needs as meet. But in the future when automation/AI/robots take over, most people won't have that option.
Then we are kind of fucked when that happens as the people will have no leverage against the mega corporations or the state and will be completely at the mercy of those who control the robots. You say "not everyone has the skill" but I have seen 10 year olds use 3d printers and 3018 CNC machines.
>The main point of people is to consume resources to keep the economic train going.
The point was to create and consume and it has been for all of our history. Maybe people can find employment as lab rats for new transhumanist technologies or as bioreactors for antibodies.
>Oh yeah, that's going to help feed him and his family. I bet the plastic taste good.
They would be able to exchange the goods the create for other goods
>>386824
>That's not going to happen and don't even pretend it can happen. Not everybody have the land, resources, or skills.
Most people are happy to be wageslaves as long their needs as meet. But in the future when automation/AI/robots take over, most people won't have that option.
Then we are kind of fucked when that happens as the people will have no leverage against the mega corporations or the state and will be completely at the mercy of those who control the robots. You say "not everyone has the skill" but I have seen 10 year olds use 3d printers and 3018 CNC machines.
>The main point of people is to consume resources to keep the economic train going.
The point was to create and consume and it has been for all of our history. Maybe people can find employment as lab rats for new transhumanist technologies or as bioreactors for antibodies.
>>386851
>(((the business cycle)))
this is what it's all about: it's classic bait and switch ploy. But the question is this... after a while, the victim gets wind of the pattern and is reluctant to borrow (print) too much when when rates are low. So then how do you get them under enough pressure to panic borrow?
>(((the business cycle)))
this is what it's all about: it's classic bait and switch ploy. But the question is this... after a while, the victim gets wind of the pattern and is reluctant to borrow (print) too much when when rates are low. So then how do you get them under enough pressure to panic borrow?
>>386851
As mentioned, that is an incidental effect of our present economic system, our present economic system operates almost entirely off of fiat. The dollar has value because the government says so, the dollar loses value because of usury. Man hours does not even enter into it, as a matter of fact, every single western economy has shifted away from manufacturing where man hours produce tangible value to a worthless service and debt-based economy concealed by the market's faith in GDP.
Basing a currency value on time alone is an unfathomably stupid idea, because that's how you incentivise service economies where a double digit percentage of humanity is engaged in hamster wheel gigs that lead nowhere. Time spent on labour means nothing if tangible goods are not produced from them, if services must exist, they must demonstrably prove that they augment production or extraction labour.
As mentioned, that is an incidental effect of our present economic system, our present economic system operates almost entirely off of fiat. The dollar has value because the government says so, the dollar loses value because of usury. Man hours does not even enter into it, as a matter of fact, every single western economy has shifted away from manufacturing where man hours produce tangible value to a worthless service and debt-based economy concealed by the market's faith in GDP.
Basing a currency value on time alone is an unfathomably stupid idea, because that's how you incentivise service economies where a double digit percentage of humanity is engaged in hamster wheel gigs that lead nowhere. Time spent on labour means nothing if tangible goods are not produced from them, if services must exist, they must demonstrably prove that they augment production or extraction labour.
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>>386856
>Most people are happy to be wageslaves as long their needs as meet. But in the future when automation/AI/robots take over, most people won't have that option.
Luddite, machines already replaced millions of manual labor workers
>Most people are happy to be wageslaves as long their needs as meet. But in the future when automation/AI/robots take over, most people won't have that option.
Luddite, machines already replaced millions of manual labor workers
>>386856
>Maybe people can find employment as lab rats for new transhumanist technologies or as bioreactors for antibodies.
>Get in the pod, goy
The matrix future is a possibility.
>Maybe people can find employment as lab rats for new transhumanist technologies or as bioreactors for antibodies.
>Get in the pod, goy
The matrix future is a possibility.
>>386868
Oh I bet we could graft organs onto people for transplants too! All kinds of options for employment!
Oh I bet we could graft organs onto people for transplants too! All kinds of options for employment!
>>386858
>Basing a currency value on time alone is an unfathomably stupid idea, because that's how you incentivise service economies
All currency is based on man-hours, no matter what you think.
Pick anything in existence, anything at all, and the basis of it's value is the man-hours needed to utilize it.
It works fine uninterrupted for spans of hundreds of years until someone comes along and forges the economic instruments (clipping, usury, fractional-reserve).
Basing your currency on man-hours alone removes every middleman, and makes all value readily apparent.
>Service economy
It's called slavery. You serve for pennies so your masters can live like kings.
Outsourcing is slavery.
Exporting industry is slavery.
Chaining advanced algorithms to tasks is the latest slavery.
>incentivise service economies
"Service economies" are the result of de-industrialization.
De-industrialization is the result of jews using foreign slave labor and "free trade" to skirt domestic labor laws in order to maximize profits.
There isn't a single manufactured thing your people couldn't make for yourselves.
>Basing a currency value on time alone is an unfathomably stupid idea, because that's how you incentivise service economies
All currency is based on man-hours, no matter what you think.
Pick anything in existence, anything at all, and the basis of it's value is the man-hours needed to utilize it.
It works fine uninterrupted for spans of hundreds of years until someone comes along and forges the economic instruments (clipping, usury, fractional-reserve).
Basing your currency on man-hours alone removes every middleman, and makes all value readily apparent.
>Service economy
It's called slavery. You serve for pennies so your masters can live like kings.
Outsourcing is slavery.
Exporting industry is slavery.
Chaining advanced algorithms to tasks is the latest slavery.
>incentivise service economies
"Service economies" are the result of de-industrialization.
De-industrialization is the result of jews using foreign slave labor and "free trade" to skirt domestic labor laws in order to maximize profits.
There isn't a single manufactured thing your people couldn't make for yourselves.
>>386874
>All currency is based on man-hours
It currently, presently, literally is not, no matter what kind of mental gymnastics you go through.
>All currency is based on man-hours
It currently, presently, literally is not, no matter what kind of mental gymnastics you go through.
>>386874
> All currency is based on man-hours
maybe it should, but I doubt it actually is.
Because man-hours in the West are valued differently from man-hours in Bujumbura
And then there is the individual level of efficiency or competence of the person... every person is different and has a different work capacity and efficiency. Someone with higher capacity and efficiency will probably be valued more, no?
> All currency is based on man-hours
maybe it should, but I doubt it actually is.
Because man-hours in the West are valued differently from man-hours in Bujumbura
And then there is the individual level of efficiency or competence of the person... every person is different and has a different work capacity and efficiency. Someone with higher capacity and efficiency will probably be valued more, no?
>>386875
The land you inhabit carries a property tax.
That tax is based on land valuation.
That land valuation is based on it's desirability due to someone in the past taming the land for human usage.
That land valuation is also based on the building's value.
Those things took man-hours.
You pay taxes to use that land.
You can only pay taxes using an approved currency.
The currency derives it's value from the tax, which derives it's value from the man-hours.
Now do it for your income.
You have a job to buy things.
Those things are made and maintained by other people.
Why is a classic incandescent light bulb so cheap now?
Because they take less man-hours to produce than they did 100 years ago.
The land you inhabit carries a property tax.
That tax is based on land valuation.
That land valuation is based on it's desirability due to someone in the past taming the land for human usage.
That land valuation is also based on the building's value.
Those things took man-hours.
You pay taxes to use that land.
You can only pay taxes using an approved currency.
The currency derives it's value from the tax, which derives it's value from the man-hours.
Now do it for your income.
You have a job to buy things.
Those things are made and maintained by other people.
Why is a classic incandescent light bulb so cheap now?
Because they take less man-hours to produce than they did 100 years ago.
>>386877
The entire chain of man hours that go into producing your mobile phone from resource extraction, to manufacture, to sale collectively get paid less than a single CEO who maybe does an interview to announce the phone's release on the market. Man hours are NOT the definition of value.
The entire chain of man hours that go into producing your mobile phone from resource extraction, to manufacture, to sale collectively get paid less than a single CEO who maybe does an interview to announce the phone's release on the market. Man hours are NOT the definition of value.
>>386879
>Man hours are NOT the definition of value
You seem to think that when I say that man-hours is the basis of all value I'm saying that all men are equal.
This is not the case.
In the current world economy:
The time of an African slave is 1/1000000000
The time of a Chinese slave is 1/1000000
The time of a Corporate slave is 1/6000
The time of a philosemite slave is 1/2000
>Man hours are NOT the definition of value
You seem to think that when I say that man-hours is the basis of all value I'm saying that all men are equal.
This is not the case.
In the current world economy:
The time of an African slave is 1/1000000000
The time of a Chinese slave is 1/1000000
The time of a Corporate slave is 1/6000
The time of a philosemite slave is 1/2000
>>386878
>Absolutely
ok so then how is value actually determined?
When I determine my hourly rate, this is what I do: I determine how much I want to earn and I want to be somewhere north of the mean yearly income of my country. Then I divide that by the amount of hours I want to work in a year.
Another thing I think about is this: how many years would it take me to pay off a mortgage for an average house where I live? Today, for 2 full time incomes, it takes about 25-35 years. In the 80's, it was just 5-10 years.
So because of this, I tend to value my hourly rate even higher still. Because in my mind, having a roof over your head is literally the most basic thing in life. If that becomes unaffordable without working yourself into an early grave, then what's the point?
>Absolutely
ok so then how is value actually determined?
When I determine my hourly rate, this is what I do: I determine how much I want to earn and I want to be somewhere north of the mean yearly income of my country. Then I divide that by the amount of hours I want to work in a year.
Another thing I think about is this: how many years would it take me to pay off a mortgage for an average house where I live? Today, for 2 full time incomes, it takes about 25-35 years. In the 80's, it was just 5-10 years.
So because of this, I tend to value my hourly rate even higher still. Because in my mind, having a roof over your head is literally the most basic thing in life. If that becomes unaffordable without working yourself into an early grave, then what's the point?
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>>386805
Well my thought process is it seems modular, so you could quickly get a logistics chain started back up if everything goes to shit.
Well my thought process is it seems modular, so you could quickly get a logistics chain started back up if everything goes to shit.
>>386921
Oh my ID reshuffled? I've been posting on desktop and my ereader and it's shared my ID since it's the same WiFi. It's still the same WiFi but my ID changed. Will see if it happened on desktop too.
Oh my ID reshuffled? I've been posting on desktop and my ereader and it's shared my ID since it's the same WiFi. It's still the same WiFi but my ID changed. Will see if it happened on desktop too.
>>386788
>They support no tariffs, no taxes, and child sex slaves.
>not wanting to be taxed morally equatable to being a pedophile
Don’t get why you’ve listed anti-taxation there.
Also you’re confusing not having a government officaply outlaw pedophiles with actively supporting child-rape. I don’t understand why you’ve done so.
>They support no tariffs, no taxes, and child sex slaves.
>not wanting to be taxed morally equatable to being a pedophile
Don’t get why you’ve listed anti-taxation there.
Also you’re confusing not having a government officaply outlaw pedophiles with actively supporting child-rape. I don’t understand why you’ve done so.
>>386805
>When the automation/AI/robots take over, I will love to see how the lolbertards is going to solve the problem of a huge jobless starving angry mob
The libertarian solution was to implement libertarianism long before the automation came along: without redistributive policies, minimum wages, etc blah blah, the lower-quality humans that are being made obsolete would never have reproduced to the numbers they have. Without your statist meddling, there would be no automation crisis because only a small number of people would be useless enough to become outmoded by robots.
This follows the pattern of statism: interfere with the market to solve what you think is an issue, cause a new problem, enact more state interference to solve this problem, causing a new problem.
When the automation problem comes along, idiots in government will again interfere, perhaps outlawing robots for small businesses to reduce job losses; causing a problem of large corporations benefiting unfairly.
Frankly the root cause of statism is dysgenics; the population is too stupid to intuitively reject state intervention.
>When the automation/AI/robots take over, I will love to see how the lolbertards is going to solve the problem of a huge jobless starving angry mob
The libertarian solution was to implement libertarianism long before the automation came along: without redistributive policies, minimum wages, etc blah blah, the lower-quality humans that are being made obsolete would never have reproduced to the numbers they have. Without your statist meddling, there would be no automation crisis because only a small number of people would be useless enough to become outmoded by robots.
This follows the pattern of statism: interfere with the market to solve what you think is an issue, cause a new problem, enact more state interference to solve this problem, causing a new problem.
When the automation problem comes along, idiots in government will again interfere, perhaps outlawing robots for small businesses to reduce job losses; causing a problem of large corporations benefiting unfairly.
Frankly the root cause of statism is dysgenics; the population is too stupid to intuitively reject state intervention.
>>386805
> When the automation/AI/robots take over, I will love to see how the lolbertards is going to solve the problem of a huge jobless starving angry mob
that's what the vax is for for m8
> who's is going to consume all those products produce by automation/AI/robots?
the elite
> When the automation/AI/robots take over, I will love to see how the lolbertards is going to solve the problem of a huge jobless starving angry mob
that's what the vax is for for m8
> who's is going to consume all those products produce by automation/AI/robots?
the elite
>>386830
>most people jobs will be replaced by machines.
Wrong. You’re assuming intelligence (among other traits) remains constant in the population. Innovation raises the bar for what can be automated, but this does not mean the population will have no robots. It does mean you need to ensure eugenic breeding, something leftists and those who support redistributive policies can’t accept.
>most people jobs will be replaced by machines.
Wrong. You’re assuming intelligence (among other traits) remains constant in the population. Innovation raises the bar for what can be automated, but this does not mean the population will have no robots. It does mean you need to ensure eugenic breeding, something leftists and those who support redistributive policies can’t accept.
>>386841
>The competency crisis
Fruits of dysgenic breeding. Itself a product of complex civilization’s dysgengic selection pressures.
>The competency crisis
Fruits of dysgenic breeding. Itself a product of complex civilization’s dysgengic selection pressures.
>>386830
>The only solution is to give everybody an income from the government in order to keep the economy moving.
Following Keynesianism is what caused the modern economic mess. The idea that people won’t carry out basic jobs to maintain life and result in deflationary collapse is stupid, i’m surprised people go on with the belief.
>The only solution is to give everybody an income from the government in order to keep the economy moving.
Following Keynesianism is what caused the modern economic mess. The idea that people won’t carry out basic jobs to maintain life and result in deflationary collapse is stupid, i’m surprised people go on with the belief.
>>386849
Stop paying welfare to single mothers and new members of the prison population will stop being raised. The solution (as seemingly always) is non-intervention.
Stop paying welfare to single mothers and new members of the prison population will stop being raised. The solution (as seemingly always) is non-intervention.
>>386808
Some minute amount if human labor is always required. Either you contribute it, you pay someone else on your behalf, or enslave them to contribute that labor for free. The robot-fuelled communist utopia is just the modern redistributive welfare state.
Some minute amount if human labor is always required. Either you contribute it, you pay someone else on your behalf, or enslave them to contribute that labor for free. The robot-fuelled communist utopia is just the modern redistributive welfare state.
>>387612
>not wanting to be taxed morally equatable to being a pedophile
Libertarians and AnCaps are infamous for their "what if the child consent argument?". The further down the political compass goes, the more morally bankrupt they are.
Got murdered? You didn't enforce the NAP
Got robbed? You didn't enforce the NAP
Got raped in the ass by a wild pack niggers? You didn't enforce the NAP
Got sold into slavery as a child and got ass raped until adult? You didn't enforce the NAP
You are responsible for your freedom, no government or police is going to save you.
Do you understand that there some AnCaps who will shoulder check your NAP capability?
Like I know you're a brit that lives in a country with knife surrendering bins and can't even protect yourself or wear body armor. And if you get ass rape by a wild pack of muslims, the british police won't care. But I hope you understand that some people just want to use violence to get what they want and that is perfectly acceptable in an AnCap society.
>not wanting to be taxed morally equatable to being a pedophile
Libertarians and AnCaps are infamous for their "what if the child consent argument?". The further down the political compass goes, the more morally bankrupt they are.
Got murdered? You didn't enforce the NAP
Got robbed? You didn't enforce the NAP
Got raped in the ass by a wild pack niggers? You didn't enforce the NAP
Got sold into slavery as a child and got ass raped until adult? You didn't enforce the NAP
You are responsible for your freedom, no government or police is going to save you.
Do you understand that there some AnCaps who will shoulder check your NAP capability?
Like I know you're a brit that lives in a country with knife surrendering bins and can't even protect yourself or wear body armor. And if you get ass rape by a wild pack of muslims, the british police won't care. But I hope you understand that some people just want to use violence to get what they want and that is perfectly acceptable in an AnCap society.
>>388092
I don't think ancap would work but this seems like a "imagine you have two cows" teir misinterpretation of what they're about.
Also I think left-libs have Max Stirner, which doesn't believe in morality, but does see ethics as useful, which is pretty much formalized morality. Then again I don't know how popular Max Stirner actually is among them, I just see lefties on activitypub talking about him, nor have I actually read Max's works yet.
I don't think ancap would work but this seems like a "imagine you have two cows" teir misinterpretation of what they're about.
Also I think left-libs have Max Stirner, which doesn't believe in morality, but does see ethics as useful, which is pretty much formalized morality. Then again I don't know how popular Max Stirner actually is among them, I just see lefties on activitypub talking about him, nor have I actually read Max's works yet.
>>387620
>that's what the vax is for for m8
I'm not convinced they have something that is time released for the automation take over. It's going to be gradual process spanning the next couple of decades. It's unlikely there is something just lying dormant that will be activated 20 years later especially when gene therapies lose efficacy over time due to gene silencing and episomes being lost during cell division.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8865469/#:~:text=In%20summary%2C%20this%20study%20presents,in%20related%20gene%20therapy%20applications.
Ultimately I think the solution offered is going to be transhumanism. If you can make your workers smarter, stronger, and more durable while making yourself even smarter, stronger, and more durable. Why not do it? Especially when mRNA and DNA vaccines are so cheap to produce? If it is more cost effective to upgrade the workers than it is to buy new machines and run data centers then it is a no brainer.
>that's what the vax is for for m8
I'm not convinced they have something that is time released for the automation take over. It's going to be gradual process spanning the next couple of decades. It's unlikely there is something just lying dormant that will be activated 20 years later especially when gene therapies lose efficacy over time due to gene silencing and episomes being lost during cell division.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8865469/#:~:text=In%20summary%2C%20this%20study%20presents,in%20related%20gene%20therapy%20applications.
Ultimately I think the solution offered is going to be transhumanism. If you can make your workers smarter, stronger, and more durable while making yourself even smarter, stronger, and more durable. Why not do it? Especially when mRNA and DNA vaccines are so cheap to produce? If it is more cost effective to upgrade the workers than it is to buy new machines and run data centers then it is a no brainer.
>>388130
I have noticed my mood and ability to focus improved considerably since the jab despite my living conditions getting worse.
I have noticed my mood and ability to focus improved considerably since the jab despite my living conditions getting worse.
Please fucking read Die Nazi-Soci it will literally answer every economic question, with basically "put bad actors in camps" and "mandate supply side production.
I realize you horsefuckers have a libertarian marketnerd streak and I don't want to shit on your parade but economic questions are so irrelevant when you're being actively genocided. We do have a plan and its a good plan that has existed for quite some time, and worked so well the one time we got to acfually implement it it made a state the size of texas productive enough to fight the entire world with only spaghettiniggers and an Island full of weebs as backup.
I realize you horsefuckers have a libertarian marketnerd streak and I don't want to shit on your parade but economic questions are so irrelevant when you're being actively genocided. We do have a plan and its a good plan that has existed for quite some time, and worked so well the one time we got to acfually implement it it made a state the size of texas productive enough to fight the entire world with only spaghettiniggers and an Island full of weebs as backup.
>>388129
The closest thing is an AnCap society is some countries in Africa where you can exchange camels for machinguns, buy slaves, and do whatever you want as long you got the most power in the region. But everytime I mention that, I get replies like "BUT THOSE ARE NIGGERS COUNTRIES". There are remote places in the world where if you got enough men with guns, you can enforce whatever retarded society you want.
388108
Which is why you're not getting a (You). This retard thinks that everybody is going to magically respect the NAP and know every autistic rules when it come to enforcing and not enforcing the NAP. He's the type of the person in Wild West that either get shot behind the back in a poker game or get robbed and left for dead because he only got 1 gun to their 6 guns.
The closest thing is an AnCap society is some countries in Africa where you can exchange camels for machinguns, buy slaves, and do whatever you want as long you got the most power in the region. But everytime I mention that, I get replies like "BUT THOSE ARE NIGGERS COUNTRIES". There are remote places in the world where if you got enough men with guns, you can enforce whatever retarded society you want.
388108
Which is why you're not getting a (You). This retard thinks that everybody is going to magically respect the NAP and know every autistic rules when it come to enforcing and not enforcing the NAP. He's the type of the person in Wild West that either get shot behind the back in a poker game or get robbed and left for dead because he only got 1 gun to their 6 guns.
@388310
>xe refers to the Old West as Wild West
>xe refers to a successful American AnCap as something bad
>xe refers to the Old West as Wild West
>xe refers to a successful American AnCap as something bad
388310
Still continuing with your retarded strawmanning, I see.
Still continuing with your retarded strawmanning, I see.
388316
Still no argument, I see. At one person here argue of solving the problem by being the capitalist version of Pol Pot.
Still no argument, I see. At one person here argue of solving the problem by being the capitalist version of Pol Pot.
388319
I'll argue when you actually criticize anarcho-capitalism, and not a retarded strawman of it you've conjured up in your mind.
I'll argue when you actually criticize anarcho-capitalism, and not a retarded strawman of it you've conjured up in your mind.
388320
Third post and still no argument. I'm not going to guess what autistic definition you have for anarcho-capitalism or try to guess what autistic perfect AnCap society you have in your head.
Third post and still no argument. I'm not going to guess what autistic definition you have for anarcho-capitalism or try to guess what autistic perfect AnCap society you have in your head.
>>388310
>There are remote places in the world where if you got enough men with guns, you can enforce whatever retarded society you want.
Perhaps with crossbows, ancap could be a speedrun strat to get up to feudalism when things collapse, then non-meme capitalism, then whatever's next. Industrialization will still be hard without oil/coal though. Solar steam engines might be an option.
>There are remote places in the world where if you got enough men with guns, you can enforce whatever retarded society you want.
Perhaps with crossbows, ancap could be a speedrun strat to get up to feudalism when things collapse, then non-meme capitalism, then whatever's next. Industrialization will still be hard without oil/coal though. Solar steam engines might be an option.
>>388323
Neo-feudalism is actual a possibility once resources like oil and gas start running out. It's hard to protect your empire when you don't got the logistics for it and then suddenly you get a bunch a new nations popped up.
Neo-feudalism is actual a possibility once resources like oil and gas start running out. It's hard to protect your empire when you don't got the logistics for it and then suddenly you get a bunch a new nations popped up.
>>388333
Looking into what the minimum equipment necessary to get nuclear power going could be interesting, like a Dr.Stone kinda thought experiment.
Hell I haven't read Dr. Stone yet for all I know they've covered that.
Looking into what the minimum equipment necessary to get nuclear power going could be interesting, like a Dr.Stone kinda thought experiment.
Hell I haven't read Dr. Stone yet for all I know they've covered that.
>>388092
>You are responsible for your freedom, no government or police is going to save you.
The government doesn’t do those things normally. It’s only motivation is to placate the crowds enough to prevent riots.
Your entire post is filled with non-arguments. Once you’re raped, you’ve been raped that’s it. Regardless if you live under government or AnCap; if there’s police to arrest your rapist, or the individuals of the market ostracise your rapist; you’ve been raped and there’s nothing to change that.
In effect you’re complaint is that under AnCap you wont get sufficient revenge on your rapist. That’s a non-argument as the exact same fucking thing happens under a government; look at Rotherham rape gangs. Even in the USA some victims want the death penalty for rapists.
>You are responsible for your freedom, no government or police is going to save you.
The government doesn’t do those things normally. It’s only motivation is to placate the crowds enough to prevent riots.
Your entire post is filled with non-arguments. Once you’re raped, you’ve been raped that’s it. Regardless if you live under government or AnCap; if there’s police to arrest your rapist, or the individuals of the market ostracise your rapist; you’ve been raped and there’s nothing to change that.
In effect you’re complaint is that under AnCap you wont get sufficient revenge on your rapist. That’s a non-argument as the exact same fucking thing happens under a government; look at Rotherham rape gangs. Even in the USA some victims want the death penalty for rapists.
>>388092
>Do you understand that there some AnCaps who will shoulder check your NAP capability?
You don’t understand the selection pressures present in a society with modern weapons and communications that naturally trivialize the threats posed by crime. Like most statists you’re too thick to get it.
>Do you understand that there some AnCaps who will shoulder check your NAP capability?
You don’t understand the selection pressures present in a society with modern weapons and communications that naturally trivialize the threats posed by crime. Like most statists you’re too thick to get it.
>>388130
>Ultimately I think the solution offered is going to be transhumanism. If you can make your workers smarter, stronger, and more durable while making yourself even smarter, stronger, and more durable.
Free market genetic engineering I see as a viable eugenics system.
>Why not do it?
Eugenics is unpopular. Society has been brainwashed by the leftwing into thinking eugenics is evil. Even rulers in government think it is evil.
>Ultimately I think the solution offered is going to be transhumanism. If you can make your workers smarter, stronger, and more durable while making yourself even smarter, stronger, and more durable.
Free market genetic engineering I see as a viable eugenics system.
>Why not do it?
Eugenics is unpopular. Society has been brainwashed by the leftwing into thinking eugenics is evil. Even rulers in government think it is evil.
>>388310
AnCap isn’t going to pop into being overnight. It will be a natural evolution of government shrinking in size. We saw this happen in the renascence. Because civilization is cyclical (due to population genetics) we’ve been seeing governments grow for the past ~150 years.
AnCap isn’t going to pop into being overnight. It will be a natural evolution of government shrinking in size. We saw this happen in the renascence. Because civilization is cyclical (due to population genetics) we’ve been seeing governments grow for the past ~150 years.
>>388454
Ancap isn't going to "pop into being" at all. Prognosticate all you want, but you'll know real ancap when you get shot in the face
Ancap isn't going to "pop into being" at all. Prognosticate all you want, but you'll know real ancap when you get shot in the face
>>388310
>BUT THOSE ARE NIGGERS COUNTRIES
Analogous to calling a crew of 10 shipwrecked on an island AnCap because rest of their society is a thousand miles away. Those men have grown up with the culture they were raised in. Just because they’re shipwrecked doesn’t mean their culture and habits have suddenly changed, magic soil isn't real.
The same goes for an African shithole that recently toppled it’s dictator. The people of that nation were raised with a culture that had a government and all that goes with it. Just because the closest thing to a government are the roving gangs brandishing the guns given to them by the CIA again doesn’t mean the culture and habits of the people in that country have magically changed.
Once again, non-argument.
>BUT THOSE ARE NIGGERS COUNTRIES
Analogous to calling a crew of 10 shipwrecked on an island AnCap because rest of their society is a thousand miles away. Those men have grown up with the culture they were raised in. Just because they’re shipwrecked doesn’t mean their culture and habits have suddenly changed, magic soil isn't real.
The same goes for an African shithole that recently toppled it’s dictator. The people of that nation were raised with a culture that had a government and all that goes with it. Just because the closest thing to a government are the roving gangs brandishing the guns given to them by the CIA again doesn’t mean the culture and habits of the people in that country have magically changed.
Once again, non-argument.
>>388310
>everybody is going to magically respect the NAP
Most people have sufficient foresight and planning abilities. In our government dominant societies it is the same. Most people of the mindset to commit crime do not; they don’t want to go to jail. Yet there are some people who commit crime regardless, be it brazenness or stupidity.
Under AnCap, jail is replaced by social ostracization and violence posed by guns: the people who commit crime inspite of these consequences are either killed in a gunfight or have no life due to ostracization. Natural selection -not a government- punishes crime.
>everybody is going to magically respect the NAP
Most people have sufficient foresight and planning abilities. In our government dominant societies it is the same. Most people of the mindset to commit crime do not; they don’t want to go to jail. Yet there are some people who commit crime regardless, be it brazenness or stupidity.
Under AnCap, jail is replaced by social ostracization and violence posed by guns: the people who commit crime inspite of these consequences are either killed in a gunfight or have no life due to ostracization. Natural selection -not a government- punishes crime.
>>388310
>in Wild West that either get shot behind the back in a poker game or get robbed
Irony is less than 10 bank robberies occurred throughout the entire wild west period. All thanks to healthy gun ownership and private security systems employed by banks.
>in Wild West that either get shot behind the back in a poker game or get robbed
Irony is less than 10 bank robberies occurred throughout the entire wild west period. All thanks to healthy gun ownership and private security systems employed by banks.
>>388460
This. The 'wildness' of the west is imagined by hollywood. Most folks were scared of getting shot for putting a foot wrong (and with good reason, since their neighbors were judge and jury)
This. The 'wildness' of the west is imagined by hollywood. Most folks were scared of getting shot for putting a foot wrong (and with good reason, since their neighbors were judge and jury)
>>388363
>the minimum equipment necessary to get nuclear power
Due to government regulations it is prohibitively expensive.
Physically nuclear reactors could be as simple as a pile of natural uranium at the bottom of a swimming pool. More practical designs using late 19th century technology would be feasible.
>the minimum equipment necessary to get nuclear power
Due to government regulations it is prohibitively expensive.
Physically nuclear reactors could be as simple as a pile of natural uranium at the bottom of a swimming pool. More practical designs using late 19th century technology would be feasible.
>>388463
>not an argument
Not intended to be, it was an indictment of how faggots like (you) wanna prognostigate on the internet.
You were saying?
>not an argument
Not intended to be, it was an indictment of how faggots like (you) wanna prognostigate on the internet.
You were saying?
>>388458
>Under AnCap, jail is replaced by social ostracization and violence posed by guns
I'd add onto this that most models of an AnCap legal system involve voluntary protection agencies and courts for disputes. In a Hoppean covenant community, for example, it is likely that landlords would agree to contracts with competing security and arbitration services based on their record of competence and integrity, to attract tenants. It's likely the rate of clearance would be higher if anything.
>Under AnCap, jail is replaced by social ostracization and violence posed by guns
I'd add onto this that most models of an AnCap legal system involve voluntary protection agencies and courts for disputes. In a Hoppean covenant community, for example, it is likely that landlords would agree to contracts with competing security and arbitration services based on their record of competence and integrity, to attract tenants. It's likely the rate of clearance would be higher if anything.
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