Welcome to thread two of AnCap's Epic Pony Adventure.
As we left off last time, the party of ponies and a cow had been teleported away by Discord. They are waking up in the back of a wagon, as a creamy colored pony with a multihued brown mane gazes at them over the wagon's edge.
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Did the Survival and knowledge checks from last thread help to reveal what plane we're on?
>>111716
Sister Ash seems both annoyed to have lost track of her target, but also somewhat relieved to have finally made to the prime material plane.
She greets the brown poner.
"Greetings." She says, with a bow
Sister Ash seems both annoyed to have lost track of her target, but also somewhat relieved to have finally made to the prime material plane.
She greets the brown poner.
"Greetings." She says, with a bow
"Who are all of you? I am called Sonata. What in Equestria was that?"
>>111716
>>111717
Topaz groggily stands up.
"Ugh... good thing I have teleport legs sea legs for teleporting."
She glances at the creamy colored pony.
"What region are we?" she asks to her.
Meanwhile, Diamond immediately wakes up, leaning back into a standing position while Topaz, opening one eye and seeing turtle shell, jumps off from the shell erratically, hovering in the air.
He rapidly looks around for the unicorn pony and rushes next to the big wagon, dusting himself off.
>>111719
To all ponies present, more accurately.
>>111718
Ears flickering towards her, Topaz turns around.
"Topaz Tower. Nice to meet you."
She does not seem as happy as before all these events happened, but puts on a little smile.
>>111717
Topaz groggily stands up.
"Ugh... good thing I have teleport legs sea legs for teleporting."
She glances at the creamy colored pony.
"What region are we?" she asks to her.
Meanwhile, Diamond immediately wakes up, leaning back into a standing position while Topaz, opening one eye and seeing turtle shell, jumps off from the shell erratically, hovering in the air.
He rapidly looks around for the unicorn pony and rushes next to the big wagon, dusting himself off.
>>111719
To all ponies present, more accurately.
>>111718
Ears flickering towards her, Topaz turns around.
"Topaz Tower. Nice to meet you."
She does not seem as happy as before all these events happened, but puts on a little smile.
[1d20+47 = 62]
>>111721
>What region are we?
"Let me check."
Sister Ash shuts her eyes and listens to the wind.
Rolling Survival
>>111721
>What region are we?
"Let me check."
Sister Ash shuts her eyes and listens to the wind.
Rolling Survival
>>111717
"Is everypony okay? You all just kinda poofed into my wagon here...."
>>111721
"You're near Hevosenmat, but are you ponies okay?"
Hevosenmat is ye ol ponyvillie FYI
>>111723
See above
>>111724
Nope! She's now in a wagon with
>Cao
>Kirin
>Three unicorns
With a forth unicorn agressively inquiring if they're okay.
"Is everypony okay? You all just kinda poofed into my wagon here...."
>>111721
"You're near Hevosenmat, but are you ponies okay?"
Hevosenmat is ye ol ponyvillie FYI
>>111723
See above
>>111724
Nope! She's now in a wagon with
>Cao
>Kirin
>Three unicorns
With a forth unicorn agressively inquiring if they're okay.
>>111720
"If you're referring to what we just saw... I can only say it closely resembles one of the dragons of Limbo.. however, I've never met one that could wield such magic.." Sister Ash replies, as she dusts herself off and combs the mistletoe out of her hair
"If you're referring to what we just saw... I can only say it closely resembles one of the dragons of Limbo.. however, I've never met one that could wield such magic.." Sister Ash replies, as she dusts herself off and combs the mistletoe out of her hair
>>111728
Cowe's brow furrows. "I no of no such creature with such power. It was as though he could bend reality; the effects he created were no illusion."
Cowe's brow furrows. "I no of no such creature with such power. It was as though he could bend reality; the effects he created were no illusion."
>>111724
I think you're already there with every other PC.
>>111727
Her polite nature does cheer her up slightly, bowing to her as well to reciprocate the gesture.
"A pleasure."
>>111726
She rubs her head, but smiles still
"I think I am. Name's Topaz. Nice to meet you."
Diamond simply nods.
Topaz lands right next to the dragon, looking around quickly, as if they are in danger after what just happened.
>>111728
"It seems he was called to spread chaos for some reason," she adds.
>>111731
Diamond pokes her, as if to try and call her attention, then proceeds to tilt his head towards Topaz. Seems he's trying to say he's with her.
I think you're already there with every other PC.
>>111727
Her polite nature does cheer her up slightly, bowing to her as well to reciprocate the gesture.
"A pleasure."
>>111726
She rubs her head, but smiles still
"I think I am. Name's Topaz. Nice to meet you."
Diamond simply nods.
Topaz lands right next to the dragon, looking around quickly, as if they are in danger after what just happened.
>>111728
"It seems he was called to spread chaos for some reason," she adds.
>>111731
Diamond pokes her, as if to try and call her attention, then proceeds to tilt his head towards Topaz. Seems he's trying to say he's with her.
>>111726
Sister Ash bows again, out of habit
"I pardon your trouble, ma'dam. I am a but a wandering nun, on a pilgrimage from a far away land. I mean you no inconvenience."
>>111730
The Kirin chuckles
"In Limbo, reality is an opinion. I've never met any creature so egotistical as to claim they ruled the plane on their own though. Nevertheless, it banished us."
Sister Ash bows again, out of habit
"I pardon your trouble, ma'dam. I am a but a wandering nun, on a pilgrimage from a far away land. I mean you no inconvenience."
>>111730
The Kirin chuckles
"In Limbo, reality is an opinion. I've never met any creature so egotistical as to claim they ruled the plane on their own though. Nevertheless, it banished us."
>>111726
Sister Ash bows for the third time
"I travel under the title of Sister Ash. It's a pleasure to meet you."
Sister Ash bows for the third time
"I travel under the title of Sister Ash. It's a pleasure to meet you."
>>111738
Topaz is taken off guard by her suggestion.
"Wait, how near are we from the town? Aren't we inside the wagon already?"
Can Topaz see her surroundings from the wagon? If not, Phospy relays said info to Topaz through telepathic communication.
>>111739
Diamond simply nods, then points his entire body towards Topaz as if a cartoon dog pointing where the scent leads.
Topaz is taken off guard by her suggestion.
"Wait, how near are we from the town? Aren't we inside the wagon already?"
Can Topaz see her surroundings from the wagon? If not, Phospy relays said info to Topaz through telepathic communication.
>>111739
Diamond simply nods, then points his entire body towards Topaz as if a cartoon dog pointing where the scent leads.
[1d20+15 = 25]
Yertle uses his racial bonus to stealth to make himself discreet among the wilderness in the distance.
Yertle uses his racial bonus to stealth to make himself discreet among the wilderness in the distance.
I have to go eat dinner. brb in 20-30 mins
>>111746
Topaz hums in thought, then nods.
"If you don't mind, of course," she tells Dough, smiling.
Feeling those Pinkie vibes with this one.
Topaz hums in thought, then nods.
"If you don't mind, of course," she tells Dough, smiling.
Feeling those Pinkie vibes with this one.
>>111755
"Thank you for your hospitality." She says, her expression brightening a bit, though clearly still concerned about everything that occurred.
"Thank you for your hospitality." She says, her expression brightening a bit, though clearly still concerned about everything that occurred.
>>111758
"Just grabbing some hay to restuff some beds."
Her horn ignites in an orange glow as she grabs some hay from a bed next to the wagon.
"Just grabbing some hay to restuff some beds."
Her horn ignites in an orange glow as she grabs some hay from a bed next to the wagon.
>>111760
Seeing an opportunity, Cowe stands and begins carrying hay, waiting to follow Cookie with as much hay as she can carry (currently 22 str)
Seeing an opportunity, Cowe stands and begins carrying hay, waiting to follow Cookie with as much hay as she can carry (currently 22 str)
>>111759
Topaz overhears her words, coming closer and entering whisper mode.
"You saw them, too, didn't you? I have a rough idea of where those places are."
>>111760
While next to Sonata, he nods, smiling.
"I hope we did not cause you to lose progress on that, Dough. Feel free to ask for help, Diamond can help."
With that, the Earth Pony still coated in pyschoactive skin presents himself to her, awaiting instructions.
Topaz overhears her words, coming closer and entering whisper mode.
"You saw them, too, didn't you? I have a rough idea of where those places are."
>>111760
While next to Sonata, he nods, smiling.
"I hope we did not cause you to lose progress on that, Dough. Feel free to ask for help, Diamond can help."
With that, the Earth Pony still coated in pyschoactive skin presents himself to her, awaiting instructions.
Back
>>111765
Sister Ash decides to follow the poner, interested in seeing how the prime material plane has changed in the past few centuries.
Btw, what was pulling the wagon?
Sister Ash decides to follow the poner, interested in seeing how the prime material plane has changed in the past few centuries.
Btw, what was pulling the wagon?
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[lurking turtle noises]
>>111765
She sends off Diamond and Phospy to do the hay collecting, while Topaz follows her through the door.
She sends off Diamond and Phospy to do the hay collecting, while Topaz follows her through the door.
>>111765
I may as well declare that I've got detect magic, aurasight, and arcane sight on constantly, on the lookout for any trace of evil/magic.
I may as well declare that I've got detect magic, aurasight, and arcane sight on constantly, on the lookout for any trace of evil/magic.
>>111767
Nothing, the wagon was simply parked at the back of the tavern with a pile of hay next to it.
>>111770
She enters into a small cozy room, a fireplace on one wall and a bar with a door that leads to what seems to be a kitchen on the other. Tables and chairs are across the room as Cookie heads up a staircase in one corner of the room.
"Make yourselves at home!"
>>111772
Nope, just a cozy tavern for now.
Nothing, the wagon was simply parked at the back of the tavern with a pile of hay next to it.
>>111770
She enters into a small cozy room, a fireplace on one wall and a bar with a door that leads to what seems to be a kitchen on the other. Tables and chairs are across the room as Cookie heads up a staircase in one corner of the room.
"Make yourselves at home!"
>>111772
Nope, just a cozy tavern for now.
[1d20+37 = 48]
Meta knowledge check: does everfree forest exist yet, and did it exist 700 years ago? I kind of made it my primary motivation to go there.
Meta knowledge check: does everfree forest exist yet, and did it exist 700 years ago? I kind of made it my primary motivation to go there.
>>111774
Cowe deposits the hay,... wherever its supposed to go (the barn I assume?) and enters the tavern,... her eyes darting once or twice at the bar, but saying nothing.
Cowe deposits the hay,... wherever its supposed to go (the barn I assume?) and enters the tavern,... her eyes darting once or twice at the bar, but saying nothing.
>>111774
Sister Ash, seems vaguely uncomfortable with accepting such hospitality. She sort of just hangs in the doorway.
"... I could have sworn this was all woods last time I was here... Hmmm, I guess things really have changed..."
Sister Ash, seems vaguely uncomfortable with accepting such hospitality. She sort of just hangs in the doorway.
"... I could have sworn this was all woods last time I was here... Hmmm, I guess things really have changed..."
>>111774
Topaz nods, smiling at the picturesque decor.
"It looks rather quaint. Reminds me of my father. Are we the first visitors in a while?"
Topaz nods, smiling at the picturesque decor.
"It looks rather quaint. Reminds me of my father. Are we the first visitors in a while?"
>>111784
Topaz ponders on what to say for a bit.
"Well... you could say we had a magical encounter of the highest level to get here," he tentatively says, with a sheepish smile.
(I don't think telling her now is a good idea.)
>>111789
>>111790
Topaz looks at the pony in question dumbfoundedly.
(So much for subtlety.)
Topaz ponders on what to say for a bit.
"Well... you could say we had a magical encounter of the highest level to get here," he tentatively says, with a sheepish smile.
(I don't think telling her now is a good idea.)
>>111789
>>111790
Topaz looks at the pony in question dumbfoundedly.
(So much for subtlety.)
>>111796
"Again I thank you. Your generosity will be repaid in full." In quieter tones "May I look to the bar?"
"Again I thank you. Your generosity will be repaid in full." In quieter tones "May I look to the bar?"
[1d20+38 = 41]
>>111784
>What brings you poofing into my wagon?
At the question, Sister Ash puffs out her chest slightly, and manifests her planar bubble. The effect causes a slight halo of light to shine off of her; the minor positive energy dominance causes colors to seem more vibrant around her, and grants fast healing to all creatures within a 10 foot radius of her. Her golden reef glistens slightly in the light.
"I am Sister Ash, the Shepherd of The Blessed Fields. I sought to journey to this land on a pilgrimage for my circle..." She declares "..However, it seems as though I ran into a detour somewhere along the way."
Rolling Diplomacy
>>111790
I said 700 because that's how long it'd been since she'd been here. She's very old.
>>111784
>What brings you poofing into my wagon?
At the question, Sister Ash puffs out her chest slightly, and manifests her planar bubble. The effect causes a slight halo of light to shine off of her; the minor positive energy dominance causes colors to seem more vibrant around her, and grants fast healing to all creatures within a 10 foot radius of her. Her golden reef glistens slightly in the light.
"I am Sister Ash, the Shepherd of The Blessed Fields. I sought to journey to this land on a pilgrimage for my circle..." She declares "..However, it seems as though I ran into a detour somewhere along the way."
Rolling Diplomacy
>>111790
I said 700 because that's how long it'd been since she'd been here. She's very old.
:3
[1d20+37 = 51]
Yertle, meanwhile, is slowly circling the town, giving Sister Ash telepathic feedback about the surrounding area.
Rolling knowledge (nature) to see if they notice anything interesting and/or out of the ordinary.
Yertle, meanwhile, is slowly circling the town, giving Sister Ash telepathic feedback about the surrounding area.
Rolling knowledge (nature) to see if they notice anything interesting and/or out of the ordinary.
>>111803
*glowing stops*
"It is a pleasure to meet you, Miss Dough. If you are ever in need, do not hesitate to ask."
*glowing stops*
"It is a pleasure to meet you, Miss Dough. If you are ever in need, do not hesitate to ask."
>>111816
Topaz snaps back to reality.
"Wow. My brand of magic can't ever reach that level at all."
She can't help but slowly stretch a hoof to poke the previously glowing mane.
"Can I... touch it?"
Topaz snaps back to reality.
"Wow. My brand of magic can't ever reach that level at all."
She can't help but slowly stretch a hoof to poke the previously glowing mane.
"Can I... touch it?"
>>111820
Cowe glances at Diamond with a "Is this Stallion for real?" expression before shrugging, taking a seat, placing the bottle and a glass on the table, and pouring a drink. Then saying to Topaz: "You said you have a rough idea where those places the strange crystals were sent to. Could you elaborate?"
Cowe glances at Diamond with a "Is this Stallion for real?" expression before shrugging, taking a seat, placing the bottle and a glass on the table, and pouring a drink. Then saying to Topaz: "You said you have a rough idea where those places the strange crystals were sent to. Could you elaborate?"
>>111825
>Pink clouds
"Oh not again..." Sister Ash groans
"If you'll excuse me... I have a some duties to attend to.." she says, stepping outside
Sister Ash goes outside to cast Control Weather to get rid of the Chaotic weather. It takes 10 minutes to cast, so she'll be out for a bit.
>>111826
Topaz is a mare.
>Pink clouds
"Oh not again..." Sister Ash groans
"If you'll excuse me... I have a some duties to attend to.." she says, stepping outside
Sister Ash goes outside to cast Control Weather to get rid of the Chaotic weather. It takes 10 minutes to cast, so she'll be out for a bit.
>>111826
Topaz is a mare.
>>111823
Seeing how apprehensive Ash is currently at her question, she quickly retracts it.
"Sorry! I got too into the glow. Forget I ever said anything."
She shakes her head, looking at Sonata.
>>111826
Diamond is outside doing hay-related stuff with Phospy.
"Yes. I could see what realms there were located."
She clears her throat.
"The orange one is in the dragon lands, Blue is on the plane of cold, the red is at a mountain range, pink is the plane of shadows, purple is at the "dread league", and the large pink the plane of fire."
She uses her big brain and lore knowledge to guess how far each gem could be in relation to her position.
Seeing how apprehensive Ash is currently at her question, she quickly retracts it.
"Sorry! I got too into the glow. Forget I ever said anything."
She shakes her head, looking at Sonata.
>>111826
Diamond is outside doing hay-related stuff with Phospy.
"Yes. I could see what realms there were located."
She clears her throat.
"The orange one is in the dragon lands, Blue is on the plane of cold, the red is at a mountain range, pink is the plane of shadows, purple is at the "dread league", and the large pink the plane of fire."
She uses her big brain and lore knowledge to guess how far each gem could be in relation to her position.
Alright, Sister Ash spends her control weather slot to fix the weather, and more importantly, keep it calm for the time being.
She then uses her Tulani Wild Shape to turn into a ball of light and zap any unnatural creatures with Empowered Chain lightning, racing across the sky as a ball of light.
After she's done with that, she uses her Detect Manifest Zone ability to look for any rifts to the plane of Chaos.
She then uses her Tulani Wild Shape to turn into a ball of light and zap any unnatural creatures with Empowered Chain lightning, racing across the sky as a ball of light.
After she's done with that, she uses her Detect Manifest Zone ability to look for any rifts to the plane of Chaos.
>>111848
The pink clouds that rained chocolate.
Making sure the weather doesn't do spooky stuff like that is kind of her job.
The pink clouds that rained chocolate.
Making sure the weather doesn't do spooky stuff like that is kind of her job.
>>111835
"I am sufficiently skilled and equipped to survive in all but the plane of cold" Cowe says, sipping some fine scotch authenticity ^_~
"I am sufficiently skilled and equipped to survive in all but the plane of cold" Cowe says, sipping some fine scotch authenticity ^_~
>>111854
"I assume that none but us are witness, so it would fall on us to address this. Unless somepony has allies to whom we can appeal."
"I assume that none but us are witness, so it would fall on us to address this. Unless somepony has allies to whom we can appeal."
>>111832
I don't know. It would be fun to do so but I feel it would be shortsighted on my part. I still don't got a sheet and even if I know pretty much what I would put on it, I don't know if I can make it in time for the next session. I also have other things that will take priority over this.
I really shouldn't.
But you know what I will try. I will try to get together a sheet for my chracter till next weekend. Can you if I haven't ffinished my sheet by then, remove my chracter out of the story without any problem? Then I will join now.
I don't know. It would be fun to do so but I feel it would be shortsighted on my part. I still don't got a sheet and even if I know pretty much what I would put on it, I don't know if I can make it in time for the next session. I also have other things that will take priority over this.
I really shouldn't.
But you know what I will try. I will try to get together a sheet for my chracter till next weekend. Can you if I haven't ffinished my sheet by then, remove my chracter out of the story without any problem? Then I will join now.
>>111854
Sister Ash listens to this.
"If you'll give me a day to prepare, I could scry and teleport each of those objects in a matter of hours."
Sister Ash listens to this.
"If you'll give me a day to prepare, I could scry and teleport each of those objects in a matter of hours."
>>111857
She ponders for a bit.
"Perhaps I could use Phospy to help us traverse there, but he is more of a water lover. Maybe my followers followed us here, too. Maybe."
>>111863
She cocks her head.
"If the biped fellow got his arm turned into dust, then that thing is magic sensitive. I fear it may cause unintended consequences."
She ponders for a bit.
"Perhaps I could use Phospy to help us traverse there, but he is more of a water lover. Maybe my followers followed us here, too. Maybe."
>>111863
She cocks her head.
"If the biped fellow got his arm turned into dust, then that thing is magic sensitive. I fear it may cause unintended consequences."
>>111865
"I concur. Such a beast would not so readily deposit such items if they could be whisked to and away with."
"I concur. Such a beast would not so readily deposit such items if they could be whisked to and away with."
>>111865
"I won't know until i see it, will I?"
Sister Ash gives up her Animal Shapes spell to cast Discern location on the gem in the dragonlands.
"I won't know until i see it, will I?"
Sister Ash gives up her Animal Shapes spell to cast Discern location on the gem in the dragonlands.
>>111872
She shrugs.
"If you plan to bring it here, at least do it out of the tavern on a remote place. We do not want risking blowing it up or anything like that."
And, you know, cheesing the whole campaign.
She shrugs.
"If you plan to bring it here, at least do it out of the tavern on a remote place. We do not want risking blowing it up or anything like that."
And, you know, cheesing the whole campaign.
>>111882
"No pony messes with my things like he did."
The normally happy and bubbly unicorn is fuming.
"No pony messes with my things like he did."
The normally happy and bubbly unicorn is fuming.
>>111884
Topaz decides not to delve into personal matters of this scale, backing away one step back and smiling nervously.
"Sorry, I didn't mean to bring that up."
>>111885
You do know one of them instantly took out one of Discord's arms and turned it into dust, right?
"We sure can rest here if needed, but we are dealing with troubles of great magnitude. The sooner we move the better."
Topaz decides not to delve into personal matters of this scale, backing away one step back and smiling nervously.
"Sorry, I didn't mean to bring that up."
>>111885
You do know one of them instantly took out one of Discord's arms and turned it into dust, right?
"We sure can rest here if needed, but we are dealing with troubles of great magnitude. The sooner we move the better."
Okay, to avoid derailing the campaign with shenanigans...
"Why don't we rest for the day? I'm sure you must all be tired after what you've been through."
>>111889
I was going to jut spellcraft it to see what it did.
"Why don't we rest for the day? I'm sure you must all be tired after what you've been through."
>>111889
I was going to jut spellcraft it to see what it did.
>>111890
"I do not require rest." Cowe says, barely stifling a giggle, her cheeks beginning to flush. She takes another drink.
"I do not require rest." Cowe says, barely stifling a giggle, her cheeks beginning to flush. She takes another drink.
>>111890
Phospy seemed to detect an epic spell of some kind, mainly designed to turn anything chaotic into dust, I assume.
Topaz looks at Ash with concern.
"I think I am fine to travel, but you and your turtle expended your energy with your barrage. Perhaps we should stay for the day and we go to the Dragon Lands as soon as we're able."
Phospy seemed to detect an epic spell of some kind, mainly designed to turn anything chaotic into dust, I assume.
Topaz looks at Ash with concern.
"I think I am fine to travel, but you and your turtle expended your energy with your barrage. Perhaps we should stay for the day and we go to the Dragon Lands as soon as we're able."
>>111889
Candy looks at topaz with a realization that yet another pony doesn't understand her, and the realization that she may be dammed to a hell with nopony that will ever be able to understand.
For the first time she looks sad.
Candy looks at topaz with a realization that yet another pony doesn't understand her, and the realization that she may be dammed to a hell with nopony that will ever be able to understand.
For the first time she looks sad.
>>111894
Topaz, knowing she can't help somepony in this state, sends a quick signal.
Suddenly, Diamond enters the room, going for Candy, he bows curtly, the presents his front shoulder for any sort of related crying activities.
Topaz, knowing she can't help somepony in this state, sends a quick signal.
Suddenly, Diamond enters the room, going for Candy, he bows curtly, the presents his front shoulder for any sort of related crying activities.
>>111893
"I am ready to depart when you are. I did wish to get a few hours of charity in though." She says, as she leaves into town
"I am ready to depart when you are. I did wish to get a few hours of charity in though." She says, as she leaves into town
Sister Ash walks into the town square and gives up a few 6th level spells (move earth; primal speed, fey ring, mudslide, find the path) to cast Heroes Feast, using Divine metamagic to apply persistent spell on to it as well. With Reserves of Strength, she increases her caster level to 28. Her Words Of Creation automatically Extends the duration to 48 hours. She does this a total of five times times, using her prepared uses of Bone Talisman for mores uses of Turn Undead. The total prepares a meal for 140 ponies (all vegetarian, of course), complete with ornate tables and chairs.
"Please don't rush now. Children sit first."
"Please don't rush now. Children sit first."
>>111902
Not activated. Don't worry.
Diamond stares at the current hoofshake with the same stoic expression, blinking once.
He then look at Topaz and presents his shoulder once again, shaking it with maintaining eye contact.
(Oh come on. Weren't you going to cry?) Topaz thinks to herself.
>>111901
She nods, only to realize Ash skedaddled immediately.
"Good lu- Oh, she left."
Not activated. Don't worry.
Diamond stares at the current hoofshake with the same stoic expression, blinking once.
He then look at Topaz and presents his shoulder once again, shaking it with maintaining eye contact.
(Oh come on. Weren't you going to cry?) Topaz thinks to herself.
>>111901
She nods, only to realize Ash skedaddled immediately.
"Good lu- Oh, she left."
Out from the woods emerges a figure. By the way it moves and its proportions one can tell that its a pony and female. One would not be sure if it was a thine mare or rather large filly however. One can't determine these things because her body is completely concealed in cloth.
She wears a plain black cloak with but a hoodie that has longer hems then necessary and the hems of the cloak. When she walks she tramples on her own hems.
She doesn't walk though it is more like sneaks through the woods; takinga one careful slow step after the another. Due to the claok's hems being so long her front hooves steps on them constantly.
Her mussle is covered by a silver scarf. One wouldn't see the rest of her face either if the hem off her hood if she hand't been a unicorn. Her horn protrudes out and hold the hood's hems from falling over her forehead reaveling her short unkempt bangs of hair the lies flat against it. A few of the bangs cover one eye. The only visible features of her face is that one undiguised red eye and the zink colored fur around it.
That eye is currrently aimed at sister Ash and so it this mare's route. But her eyes also from time to time shifts its focus to the other creatures in the group. She makes sure to moves so that she allways has all of the infront of her. She even goes on bit of a detour just to make sure that all creatures are infront of her and non our on her sides and absolutely not behind her.
Ash and probably the most of ther others notice her approach towards them. Because you know your all epic level. What do you do? And at what distacne do you see her?
She wears a plain black cloak with but a hoodie that has longer hems then necessary and the hems of the cloak. When she walks she tramples on her own hems.
She doesn't walk though it is more like sneaks through the woods; takinga one careful slow step after the another. Due to the claok's hems being so long her front hooves steps on them constantly.
Her mussle is covered by a silver scarf. One wouldn't see the rest of her face either if the hem off her hood if she hand't been a unicorn. Her horn protrudes out and hold the hood's hems from falling over her forehead reaveling her short unkempt bangs of hair the lies flat against it. A few of the bangs cover one eye. The only visible features of her face is that one undiguised red eye and the zink colored fur around it.
That eye is currrently aimed at sister Ash and so it this mare's route. But her eyes also from time to time shifts its focus to the other creatures in the group. She makes sure to moves so that she allways has all of the infront of her. She even goes on bit of a detour just to make sure that all creatures are infront of her and non our on her sides and absolutely not behind her.
Ash and probably the most of ther others notice her approach towards them. Because you know your all epic level. What do you do? And at what distacne do you see her?
>>111907
>skedaddled
Gotta get those charity hours in.
On the bright side, free feast for the whole town.
>skedaddled
Gotta get those charity hours in.
On the bright side, free feast for the whole town.
>>111909
Phospy, currently hauling hay, simply looks at the pony, then hisses at her, signalling her presence to Topaz.
"Oh! Seems somepony arrived here," Topaz announces, followed by going outside. "Be ready to move out to the dragon lands soon."
Is GM techincally lurking?
Phospy, currently hauling hay, simply looks at the pony, then hisses at her, signalling her presence to Topaz.
"Oh! Seems somepony arrived here," Topaz announces, followed by going outside. "Be ready to move out to the dragon lands soon."
Is GM techincally lurking?
>>111923
Diamond pats her head some times, trying his best to reassure her it's all alright with the same stoic expression.
Diamond pats her head some times, trying his best to reassure her it's all alright with the same stoic expression.
>>111924
I'd guess he's letting us make up our goddamn minds.
Cowe drains the last of her glass (a -1 modifier, I'd wager). "Alright. Are we in agreement then?"
I'd guess he's letting us make up our goddamn minds.
Cowe drains the last of her glass (a -1 modifier, I'd wager). "Alright. Are we in agreement then?"
>>111922
He would have immediately been able to tell she was a Spellcaster, but wouldn't have done anything to intercept her.
He would have immediately been able to tell she was a Spellcaster, but wouldn't have done anything to intercept her.
>>111926
Our minds have been made up. This is only some time to wind down after the whole ordeal. As soon as everyone's ready, we go for the Dragon Lands.
Diamond nods at Sonata, relaying the message.
Our minds have been made up. This is only some time to wind down after the whole ordeal. As soon as everyone's ready, we go for the Dragon Lands.
Diamond nods at Sonata, relaying the message.
>>111925
She smiles at the petting
"Thank you,Whats your name?"
she asks to the dragon petting her
She looks over at topaz
"Can you help fill me in on the situation other than that dragon-thing sending crystals into different dimensions?"
She smiles at the petting
"Thank you,Whats your name?"
she asks to the dragon petting her
She looks over at topaz
"Can you help fill me in on the situation other than that dragon-thing sending crystals into different dimensions?"
>>111921
The mare has moved into a position such that she has nonone at her side, at least what she knows, and everyone in fornt of her. And she is very keen on keeping it that way.
The mare is only a few feets away from Ash now. Ash is being intently stared at by her. It might be a bit unerving since her facial expressions are hidden so it is hard to read her emotions or her intent. However, if one is preceptive enough one can see that her eye trembles a bit and one can also notice that she has a very low posture almost like she is ready for flight of fight.
"The pink clouds... You removed them." She says.
The mare has moved into a position such that she has nonone at her side, at least what she knows, and everyone in fornt of her. And she is very keen on keeping it that way.
The mare is only a few feets away from Ash now. Ash is being intently stared at by her. It might be a bit unerving since her facial expressions are hidden so it is hard to read her emotions or her intent. However, if one is preceptive enough one can see that her eye trembles a bit and one can also notice that she has a very low posture almost like she is ready for flight of fight.
"The pink clouds... You removed them." She says.
>>111932
Sister Ash seems almost giddy as she watches them eat.
"Ah, it's been so long since I've been on charity service. I'd forgotten how good it feels.."
>>111937
>clouds
".. Why yes.." she says with a slight nod "There's nothing to be worried about now, sister. I welcome you to sit down."
She levitates a piece of cake towards the unicorn
"There's no need to be shy. It's for charity." She says with a smile
Sister Ash seems almost giddy as she watches them eat.
"Ah, it's been so long since I've been on charity service. I'd forgotten how good it feels.."
>>111937
>clouds
".. Why yes.." she says with a slight nod "There's nothing to be worried about now, sister. I welcome you to sit down."
She levitates a piece of cake towards the unicorn
"There's no need to be shy. It's for charity." She says with a smile
>>111945
>>111935
Wrong. Earth Poner is petting Candy.
Sadly, he remains silent.
Topaz, after checking the door and finding nothing, returns back.
"Seems the visitor only passed through."
She looks at Candy, currently being patted.
"Not much else, I'm afraid. He seems to be a deity who likes spread 'chaos'."
>>111935
Wrong. Earth Poner is petting Candy.
Sadly, he remains silent.
Topaz, after checking the door and finding nothing, returns back.
"Seems the visitor only passed through."
She looks at Candy, currently being patted.
"Not much else, I'm afraid. He seems to be a deity who likes spread 'chaos'."
>>111946
Sister Ash can be seen through the doorway conjuring a bunch of tables and drawing a crowd of ponies.
Sister Ash can be seen through the doorway conjuring a bunch of tables and drawing a crowd of ponies.
>>111943
The mare grabs the plate with cake in her magic. It is surrouned by a white transparent aura as it s floats in the air.
The mare's visible eye look down on the piece of cake and then bakc up again.
She levitates the plate back to Ash.
"I'll eat..." there is small break as if unsure if she should really say this. "You eat first."
She turns her face away.
The mare grabs the plate with cake in her magic. It is surrouned by a white transparent aura as it s floats in the air.
The mare's visible eye look down on the piece of cake and then bakc up again.
She levitates the plate back to Ash.
"I'll eat..." there is small break as if unsure if she should really say this. "You eat first."
She turns her face away.
>>111945
The nun reaches a hoof out towards the startled mare.
"Please, sit down. There's nothing to be afraid of. Don't mind that dragon over there; he's just a bit grumpy."
The nun reaches a hoof out towards the startled mare.
"Please, sit down. There's nothing to be afraid of. Don't mind that dragon over there; he's just a bit grumpy."
>>111953
>700 years of fasting
>"You eat first."
>Every pony is watching
>Don't want to look like I've poisoned the town
[REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEs internally]
>700 years of fasting
>"You eat first."
>Every pony is watching
>Don't want to look like I've poisoned the town
[REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEs internally]
>>111954
>>111958
Phospy stares daggers at Ash as he pretends to eat some grass. However, Topaz orders her dragon to walk to that table and take a bite, just to show the food is harmless, making his mouth water. He scans the table for any fish, forgetting about the whole 'Ash is mean' outlook.
>>111955
She shrugs.
"He is one strong sorcerer, then. I never heard anypony who can incase every single pony in invisible cages then using metamorphosis."
>>111958
Phospy stares daggers at Ash as he pretends to eat some grass. However, Topaz orders her dragon to walk to that table and take a bite, just to show the food is harmless, making his mouth water. He scans the table for any fish, forgetting about the whole 'Ash is mean' outlook.
>>111955
She shrugs.
"He is one strong sorcerer, then. I never heard anypony who can incase every single pony in invisible cages then using metamorphosis."
>>111954
You hear a high-pitched voice gasp coming from the mare as you reach out your hoof towards her. She jumps back and loses control of the plate. The crashes into the ground and shatters.
The mare in question looks at the plate and draws in whezeeing breath as her eye twitch at the sight. She immediately looks up at Ash's face for any signs of retaliation.
You hear a high-pitched voice gasp coming from the mare as you reach out your hoof towards her. She jumps back and loses control of the plate. The crashes into the ground and shatters.
The mare in question looks at the plate and draws in whezeeing breath as her eye twitch at the sight. She immediately looks up at Ash's face for any signs of retaliation.
>>111963
The mare looks at the nun as she bites into the bread. She then looks at the many sharp pieces of the previous plate and the broken cake.
"I'm sorry." She says without looking up
The mare looks at the nun as she bites into the bread. She then looks at the many sharp pieces of the previous plate and the broken cake.
"I'm sorry." She says without looking up
>>111965
Don't worry, she'll use her breath weapon to turn it to Ash in her mouth. That way it doesn't count Xp.
Sister Ash uses Miracle to conjure a 25000 gp pile of Topaz gems for the dragon.
Don't worry, she'll use her breath weapon to turn it to Ash in her mouth. That way it doesn't count Xp.
Sister Ash uses Miracle to conjure a 25000 gp pile of Topaz gems for the dragon.
>>111972
"Oh, it's no problem. It's just a conjured plate. It'll be gone in a few hours anyway." The nun says, sweeping the shards out of the way
"Please, sit down."
"Oh, it's no problem. It's just a conjured plate. It'll be gone in a few hours anyway." The nun says, sweeping the shards out of the way
"Please, sit down."
>>111973
Phospy's eyes light up further, immediately rushing the gem pile and munching on the gems contentedly.
(Seems Ash did not want him eating the food. Perhaps she has this under control.)
>>111975
Topaz nods.
"We are indeed facing something strong and unruly that needs to be stopped."
Diamond pats Candy some more.
"Alright, Diamond. Ease up there."
Phospy's eyes light up further, immediately rushing the gem pile and munching on the gems contentedly.
(Seems Ash did not want him eating the food. Perhaps she has this under control.)
>>111975
Topaz nods.
"We are indeed facing something strong and unruly that needs to be stopped."
Diamond pats Candy some more.
"Alright, Diamond. Ease up there."
>>111979
Sister Ash just knows enough about dragons to know that they're rather easy to buy with bribes.
Sister Ash just knows enough about dragons to know that they're rather easy to buy with bribes.
>>111981
Keep in mind he's a pony-controlled dragon you're dealing with, here. She can always shoo it off and do whenever.
Keep in mind he's a pony-controlled dragon you're dealing with, here. She can always shoo it off and do whenever.
>>111983
>clouds
"It seems as though someone around here has been causing some trouble with the weather..." She says, her brow growing dark momentarily
"But, I've taken care of it, for now at least."
*Points to chair*
"Sit."
>clouds
"It seems as though someone around here has been causing some trouble with the weather..." She says, her brow growing dark momentarily
"But, I've taken care of it, for now at least."
*Points to chair*
"Sit."
>>111987
The mare looks at the chair for a moment and the the way she come from before meeting Ash's firm gaze? Her gaze anyway. She decided to comply with the request or command.
She goes up to the chair that is on the end of the table but Ash notices that just before she sits down, she quickly bends down to check so there isn't anything underneath the chair.
The mare looks at the chair for a moment and the the way she come from before meeting Ash's firm gaze? Her gaze anyway. She decided to comply with the request or command.
She goes up to the chair that is on the end of the table but Ash notices that just before she sits down, she quickly bends down to check so there isn't anything underneath the chair.
[1d20+20 = 22]
>>111996
Sister Ash loses her patience and telekinetically picks up snd plops the mare onto the ornate, comfy seat.
Grapple.
"Please. I insist."
>>111996
Sister Ash loses her patience and telekinetically picks up snd plops the mare onto the ornate, comfy seat.
Grapple.
"Please. I insist."
>>111991
Topaz nods, chuckling knowingly.
"Yes. That is it. Prepare for the elements."
Diamond only pats further for her encouragement.
"I am going to see how is Ash doing, accompany me if you want to or you can stay with Diamond."
>>111990
Topaz can be seen exiting the tavern into the whole charity event.
"Huh. That was rather quick."
Topaz nods, chuckling knowingly.
"Yes. That is it. Prepare for the elements."
Diamond only pats further for her encouragement.
"I am going to see how is Ash doing, accompany me if you want to or you can stay with Diamond."
>>111990
Topaz can be seen exiting the tavern into the whole charity event.
"Huh. That was rather quick."
>>111999
Sister Ash greets her with a bow.
"I do what I can."
She points to a chair
"You're welcome to join."
Sister Ash greets her with a bow.
"I do what I can."
She points to a chair
"You're welcome to join."
In case we get the into combat before the end of the night, not that your characters have been buffed with:
>1d8+10 temporary HP
>Immunity To Fear
>Immunity to poison
>+1 morale bonus to attack rolls and will saves.
These affects last for 48 hours, assuming you all spend an hour eating.
>1d8+10 temporary HP
>Immunity To Fear
>Immunity to poison
>+1 morale bonus to attack rolls and will saves.
These affects last for 48 hours, assuming you all spend an hour eating.
>>111998
She flails with her hooves in the air as she is picked up. It only makes the excessive long hems wave and twist in on themselves.
At the moment she is seated she moved her hooves to ther armrest ready to push herself out of the chair. But she notices before that that there is nothing wrong with the chair.
She throws a look of surprize towards Ash.
She flails with her hooves in the air as she is picked up. It only makes the excessive long hems wave and twist in on themselves.
At the moment she is seated she moved her hooves to ther armrest ready to push herself out of the chair. But she notices before that that there is nothing wrong with the chair.
She throws a look of surprize towards Ash.
The mare looks over to the dragon munching on gems, she then looks at the plate infront of her and then drags her eye over the whole table.
She looks at Ash as she point with her cloth covered hoof at the dragon.
"How can he eat illusions?"
She looks at Ash as she point with her cloth covered hoof at the dragon.
"How can he eat illusions?"
>>112018
I was planning on doing that quest next week since you all apparently decided on that.
I expected y'all to talk and plan more.
I was planning on doing that quest next week since you all apparently decided on that.
I expected y'all to talk and plan more.
>>112015
His ears flop down to accomodate her hoof, still looking stoic.
>>112019
Phospy lazily looks at her then keeps munching.
>>112023
Planning comes when we actually see the variables. Dragons are quite varied and we need to see what we're dealing with.
>>112025
Topaz starts to eat the food in a polite fashion if possible.
His ears flop down to accomodate her hoof, still looking stoic.
>>112019
Phospy lazily looks at her then keeps munching.
>>112023
Planning comes when we actually see the variables. Dragons are quite varied and we need to see what we're dealing with.
>>112025
Topaz starts to eat the food in a polite fashion if possible.
>>112029
Alright.
I use Create Water to conjure a scrying pool, and use Greater Scrying to scry on the stone and it's surroundings.
Alright.
I use Create Water to conjure a scrying pool, and use Greater Scrying to scry on the stone and it's surroundings.
>>112035
Pool is subjective. It can be (and typically is) a bowl of water, not a full olympic-sized pool
Pool is subjective. It can be (and typically is) a bowl of water, not a full olympic-sized pool
>>112035
Throughout the ripples in the water, Ash can see the picture of a large hill of gold, scattered with gems, the orange crystal sitting on top. There's suddenly a loud roar before a wave of more gold buries the gem. A large white tail is barely visible before disappearing.
Throughout the ripples in the water, Ash can see the picture of a large hill of gold, scattered with gems, the orange crystal sitting on top. There's suddenly a loud roar before a wave of more gold buries the gem. A large white tail is barely visible before disappearing.
>>112028
She inspect the dragon's horde once again with her eye. The idea that it's not an illusion seems off to her but he really seem to enjoy them as he scarf them down.
Her eye beholds the basket of bread on the table. She sees the loaf that the kirin eat from before since it is missing a piece. She breaks off another piece off it and levitates it over to her.
She is about to remove her scraf whne she hesitates. She looks over at Topaz who sits nearby, I guess. Topaz calm demeanor as she eats gives her a bit more security seeing as she also is a unicorn. She drags her scraf down to reavel her mouth and chin.
The bread is lifted up and she proceeds to take a small bite off it. Chewing on it for a while almost to see if she can taste any poison before she judge them to be edible. After a long time of chewing something small she swallows.
Her eye lands on Topaz plate next. She notes the things she has eaten off before looking at where they are on the table. Topaz may see her watch her eat or she might not up to you.
She inspect the dragon's horde once again with her eye. The idea that it's not an illusion seems off to her but he really seem to enjoy them as he scarf them down.
Her eye beholds the basket of bread on the table. She sees the loaf that the kirin eat from before since it is missing a piece. She breaks off another piece off it and levitates it over to her.
She is about to remove her scraf whne she hesitates. She looks over at Topaz who sits nearby, I guess. Topaz calm demeanor as she eats gives her a bit more security seeing as she also is a unicorn. She drags her scraf down to reavel her mouth and chin.
The bread is lifted up and she proceeds to take a small bite off it. Chewing on it for a while almost to see if she can taste any poison before she judge them to be edible. After a long time of chewing something small she swallows.
Her eye lands on Topaz plate next. She notes the things she has eaten off before looking at where they are on the table. Topaz may see her watch her eat or she might not up to you.
[1d20+32 = 47]
I roll knowledge (arcana) to estimate the size and age of this dragon.
I roll knowledge (arcana) to estimate the size and age of this dragon.
>>112054
The mare in question tense her shoulders. She thought the mare wouldn't notice her and was a bit unnerved by how aware of her surroundings the other mare was.
The mare in question tense her shoulders. She thought the mare wouldn't notice her and was a bit unnerved by how aware of her surroundings the other mare was.
>>112058
Sister Ash draws a small bag of sand from her purse and tosses it to the wind (away from the food).
She casts Whispering Sand.
"~Yoo-hoo!" She calls out, her voice being transmitted through the soot
"Is anybody home?"
Sister Ash draws a small bag of sand from her purse and tosses it to the wind (away from the food).
She casts Whispering Sand.
"~Yoo-hoo!" She calls out, her voice being transmitted through the soot
"Is anybody home?"
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This is too funny to use my luck reroll on...
>>112077
Ash's voice cracks, and a frog hops from her throat.
She can almost hear the laughter of that damned pegasus on the breeze.
Ash's voice cracks, and a frog hops from her throat.
She can almost hear the laughter of that damned pegasus on the breeze.
>>112080
Sonata laughs. Its totally unrelated I swear, it was in remembrance of something funny. And not in anyway related to that, which was funny but not the funny thing she laughed at. I swear.
Sonata laughs. Its totally unrelated I swear, it was in remembrance of something funny. And not in anyway related to that, which was funny but not the funny thing she laughed at. I swear.
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>>112080
"Well... I guess we'll just have to introduce ourselves when we get there.." sister Ash says, stifling a cough
>Pegasus
That reminds me.
Sister Ash, while everyone else is eating, draws some papers from her fanny pack and starts scribing notes of anathema, and consecrates the sheet.
Then she casts Mark Of The Unfaithful, to permanently brand Midnight as a heretic in the eye of of all nature worshippers. The call to action extends to all creatures who draw their powers from nature: any Druid, Ranger, Spirit Shaman, Rokugan Shaman, Elemental Cleric, Totem Barbarian, or Totemist, in addition to several Fey and magical beasts, will immediately recognize her as a heretic and become hostile towards her.
The range is unlimited, and there is no saving throw.
"Well... I guess we'll just have to introduce ourselves when we get there.." sister Ash says, stifling a cough
>Pegasus
That reminds me.
Sister Ash, while everyone else is eating, draws some papers from her fanny pack and starts scribing notes of anathema, and consecrates the sheet.
Then she casts Mark Of The Unfaithful, to permanently brand Midnight as a heretic in the eye of of all nature worshippers. The call to action extends to all creatures who draw their powers from nature: any Druid, Ranger, Spirit Shaman, Rokugan Shaman, Elemental Cleric, Totem Barbarian, or Totemist, in addition to several Fey and magical beasts, will immediately recognize her as a heretic and become hostile towards her.
The range is unlimited, and there is no saving throw.
>>112065
"Hi," she Whipsers back.
Since you are facing her you can actually see her entire facial expression. The corners of her mouth are curled downward but not enough to call it a frown. You get the impression that she is apprehenseive about you.
You see, she catched a glimpse of you petting the dragon before.
>>112067
She sees something move in the corner of her view so she turns toward it. She sees Candy waving at her on the opposite side of the table that Topaz was.
The fact that another pony is looking at her, even if it is another unicorn, makes another impluse of fear express itself on her face for a brief second. The then she realize that since they sit so close to her and on opposite sides of the table she can't focus on them at the same time.
After a moment of switching frantically switching between the two ponies she decided to focus on Topaz. As in she looks at her eyes to read them so that if Candy decided to attack, she assumes Topaz eyes will flicker in her direction.
>>112070
Her staring in Topaz's eyes is not interupted by this, she just briefly checks what the cow does before seeing that the cow is futher away and she would be able to detect it coming towards her by the same method as for Candy.
So now she is staring at Topaz eyes intently. This is interupted though as her heart skips a beat when >>112077 she hears Ash's shout. She looks at Ash as if she is crazy.
"Hi," she Whipsers back.
Since you are facing her you can actually see her entire facial expression. The corners of her mouth are curled downward but not enough to call it a frown. You get the impression that she is apprehenseive about you.
You see, she catched a glimpse of you petting the dragon before.
>>112067
She sees something move in the corner of her view so she turns toward it. She sees Candy waving at her on the opposite side of the table that Topaz was.
The fact that another pony is looking at her, even if it is another unicorn, makes another impluse of fear express itself on her face for a brief second. The then she realize that since they sit so close to her and on opposite sides of the table she can't focus on them at the same time.
After a moment of switching frantically switching between the two ponies she decided to focus on Topaz. As in she looks at her eyes to read them so that if Candy decided to attack, she assumes Topaz eyes will flicker in her direction.
>>112070
Her staring in Topaz's eyes is not interupted by this, she just briefly checks what the cow does before seeing that the cow is futher away and she would be able to detect it coming towards her by the same method as for Candy.
So now she is staring at Topaz eyes intently. This is interupted though as her heart skips a beat when >>112077 she hears Ash's shout. She looks at Ash as if she is crazy.
>>112096
Sister Ash just coughed up a literal frog, and is now petting said frog as she excommunicates a Pegasus from the earth.
Sister Ash just coughed up a literal frog, and is now petting said frog as she excommunicates a Pegasus from the earth.
>>112094
Actually, delete last action of you going over and maintain giggling. She's still eating and giggling.
>>112096
Topaz ponders her next course of action.
(Perhaps she wants to see a trick? Wait she's looking at Ash now. Hm.)
He decides to disengage Diamond from Candy, moving towards the mystery unicorn name at a slow walking pace. He's looking straight at her, with a permanent stoic expression on his face.
Actually, delete last action of you going over and maintain giggling. She's still eating and giggling.
>>112096
Topaz ponders her next course of action.
(Perhaps she wants to see a trick? Wait she's looking at Ash now. Hm.)
He decides to disengage Diamond from Candy, moving towards the mystery unicorn name at a slow walking pace. He's looking straight at her, with a permanent stoic expression on his face.
>>112096
Sonata notices uhhhh,... that one, but doesn't pay any mind. In her mind, its just another person from the local community.
Sonata notices uhhhh,... that one, but doesn't pay any mind. In her mind, its just another person from the local community.
>>112099
>He decides to disengage Diamond from Candy, moving towards the mystery unicorn name at a slow walking pace. He's looking straight at her, with a permanent stoic expression on his face.
So is this Diamond that is doning this or is it Topaz?
>He decides to disengage Diamond from Candy, moving towards the mystery unicorn name at a slow walking pace. He's looking straight at her, with a permanent stoic expression on his face.
So is this Diamond that is doning this or is it Topaz?
>>112100
Not sure how useful it'll be. I just expected the main villains to appear in the first session, so I prepared that spell to make their lives miserable in case I saw them.
Not sure how useful it'll be. I just expected the main villains to appear in the first session, so I prepared that spell to make their lives miserable in case I saw them.
>>112099
When she sees the earth pony move towards her, she immediately gets out off the chair. Her horn starts to glow white light. She will start to back away if he doesn't stop his movement or even turn and run.
When she sees the earth pony move towards her, she immediately gets out off the chair. Her horn starts to glow white light. She will start to back away if he doesn't stop his movement or even turn and run.
>>112110
Understanable.
Topaz shakes her head.
Diamond simply stops, then sits at a chair closest to him, not even looking at her and enjoying a meal with the most stoic expression ever, like she never existed at all.
Understanable.
Topaz shakes her head.
Diamond simply stops, then sits at a chair closest to him, not even looking at her and enjoying a meal with the most stoic expression ever, like she never existed at all.
Alright, what else do I have prepared for today that'll be useful right now...
>Only healing spells
I guess I could've offered those, if the Heroes Feast hadn't already cured the town of all diseases..
>Only healing spells
I guess I could've offered those, if the Heroes Feast hadn't already cured the town of all diseases..
>>112111
"Yea that Scaled bastard, turned me into an umbrella!"
Candy shakes her hoof
"My Name is Candy Swirl! nice to meet you sonata!"
"Yea that Scaled bastard, turned me into an umbrella!"
Candy shakes her hoof
"My Name is Candy Swirl! nice to meet you sonata!"
Oh yeah, while the scrying pool is still active (25 hours), I cast powersight, to estimate the Dragon's hit dice.
>>112112
The white glow from her horn ceases.
Since Candy That is, if nobody has a problem with the mind map i created for the situation. sits on the opposite side of the table from Topaz and close. Diamond just moved from Candy towards my character. He must be pretty close to her where he now sits so she, who sits at the ned of the table, decied to move to the other side of hte table.
The mare levitates the plate of bread and starts walking towards the seat next to Topaz.
The white glow from her horn ceases.
Since Candy That is, if nobody has a problem with the mind map i created for the situation. sits on the opposite side of the table from Topaz and close. Diamond just moved from Candy towards my character. He must be pretty close to her where he now sits so she, who sits at the ned of the table, decied to move to the other side of hte table.
The mare levitates the plate of bread and starts walking towards the seat next to Topaz.
>>112124
She sits down next to Topaz and placed her plate on the table.
When she hears your comment, she gets a bit flustered and looks away.
She sits down next to Topaz and placed her plate on the table.
When she hears your comment, she gets a bit flustered and looks away.
>>112126
She twirls around in her seat. Actually surpised that she hadn't noticed Ash there.
But she actually calms down when she sees who it is.
>>112127
She looks where you point before she looks down on her food. She shakes her head a bit to let head hood fallpast her horn so that one can only view her face from the ground.
But white light glows through the black hoodie as she uses her magic to break off small pieces of bread to eat.
She twirls around in her seat. Actually surpised that she hadn't noticed Ash there.
But she actually calms down when she sees who it is.
>>112127
She looks where you point before she looks down on her food. She shakes her head a bit to let head hood fallpast her horn so that one can only view her face from the ground.
But white light glows through the black hoodie as she uses her magic to break off small pieces of bread to eat.
>>112134
>She shakes her head a bit to let head hood fallpast
>let head hood fallpast
let her* hood fall past
>She shakes her head a bit to let head hood fallpast
>let head hood fallpast
let her* hood fall past
>>112132
"Scotch. Its been so long since I had any spirits, cookie is gonna get hooked up for this shit."
"Scotch. Its been so long since I had any spirits, cookie is gonna get hooked up for this shit."
It's midnight where I am, so I might want to sleep soon.
>>112134
Hm. How to approach a pony who fears everything...
Topaz decides to try and bond with her by showing her a little magic, but not before asking for consent.
"Psst. Do you wanna see a cool magic trick? I can make my coat glow all sorts of colors."
Hm. How to approach a pony who fears everything...
Topaz decides to try and bond with her by showing her a little magic, but not before asking for consent.
"Psst. Do you wanna see a cool magic trick? I can make my coat glow all sorts of colors."
>>112139
After a moment of contemplation; >>112141 that being why she suddenly felt much more at ease when talking to this pony, she knows she should trust her head not her gut but-, she fastens her hoodie like before. She moves the hem of the hood over her hor nand lets it rest on it.
She glances briefly at Ash before before movng closer to Topaz.
"That unicorn's horn." A very subtle nod is made in the direction of Ash. "Why is it so wierd?" She whispers.
After a moment of contemplation; >>112141 that being why she suddenly felt much more at ease when talking to this pony, she knows she should trust her head not her gut but-, she fastens her hoodie like before. She moves the hem of the hood over her hor nand lets it rest on it.
She glances briefly at Ash before before movng closer to Topaz.
"That unicorn's horn." A very subtle nod is made in the direction of Ash. "Why is it so wierd?" She whispers.
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>>112145
"Cookie? Nah, cookie is the tavern owner. I'm Sonata. Sonata Arctica. Wait, that's not right," she starts laughing, while fetching another glass, and pouring a drink.
Dexterity check
>>112145
"Cookie? Nah, cookie is the tavern owner. I'm Sonata. Sonata Arctica. Wait, that's not right," she starts laughing, while fetching another glass, and pouring a drink.
Dexterity check
>>112139
Yes, she did actually ignore your question. She did it because she was more intrested in the kirin's horn at the moment. Sorry, she isn't well behaved.
Yes, she did actually ignore your question. She did it because she was more intrested in the kirin's horn at the moment. Sorry, she isn't well behaved.
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Okay, I'm going to have to sleep now. Work tomorrow.
Goodnight, Anons.
Goodnight, Anons.
>>112165
Phospy has apparently ate enough, lazily sleeping over the remaining gems provided by Ash.
"Oh, you mean Phospy?" she asks.
Phospy has apparently ate enough, lazily sleeping over the remaining gems provided by Ash.
"Oh, you mean Phospy?" she asks.
>>112167
Topaz smiles, thinking she's interested in dragons.
"He's a companion of mine. Want me to call it here?"
Topaz smiles, thinking she's interested in dragons.
"He's a companion of mine. Want me to call it here?"
>>112171
"No!" she doesn't really shout but since everything she says is murmur otherwise it seems that way. "Please, don't" She flails her hooves infront of her in an abortive motion.
"It just thought it was odd to see a dragon with a pony. That's all."
She takes another bite of bread before continuing. You hear her as she mumbles hher thoughts uner her breath. It wasclearly not intended for you to hear since she just voiced her thought to herself unbeknownst to herself but you did.
"She most be powerful to a have a dragon as a companion."
"No!" she doesn't really shout but since everything she says is murmur otherwise it seems that way. "Please, don't" She flails her hooves infront of her in an abortive motion.
"It just thought it was odd to see a dragon with a pony. That's all."
She takes another bite of bread before continuing. You hear her as she mumbles hher thoughts uner her breath. It wasclearly not intended for you to hear since she just voiced her thought to herself unbeknownst to herself but you did.
"She most be powerful to a have a dragon as a companion."
>>112176
> You hear her as she mumbles hher thoughts uner her breath. It wasclearly not intended for you to hear since she just voiced her thought to herself unbeknownst to herself but you did.
>So messy
Sigh. Do you understand what it says or must I clearify.
> You hear her as she mumbles hher thoughts uner her breath. It wasclearly not intended for you to hear since she just voiced her thought to herself unbeknownst to herself but you did.
>So messy
Sigh. Do you understand what it says or must I clearify.
>>112176
She peers closer to her, clearly concerned, but has a little smile.
"Phospy isn't a bad dragon. He's a nice one. Look."
She whistles Phospy, whom in response, scrambles into a salute.
"Do a barrel roll!"
In response, Phospy does so, ending belly up, expecting some sort of reward, which she gives by telekinetically petting his exposed chest, eliciting a line of steam from his nostrils, clearly content.
She looks back at the unicorn mare.
"See? Completely tame dragon."
She peers closer to her, clearly concerned, but has a little smile.
"Phospy isn't a bad dragon. He's a nice one. Look."
She whistles Phospy, whom in response, scrambles into a salute.
"Do a barrel roll!"
In response, Phospy does so, ending belly up, expecting some sort of reward, which she gives by telekinetically petting his exposed chest, eliciting a line of steam from his nostrils, clearly content.
She looks back at the unicorn mare.
"See? Completely tame dragon."
>>112181
Her eyes go wide at the display. She is starting to think that something is off. Normally she would have been terrified by this mare who had turned a dragon into a pet but she wasn't.
Has she cast some form of charm on me? She wonders.
"How though? How can you-" She interupts herself as she glances at the dragon, leans in close to Topaz and whispers. "-controll a dragon?"
Her eyes go wide at the display. She is starting to think that something is off. Normally she would have been terrified by this mare who had turned a dragon into a pet but she wasn't.
Has she cast some form of charm on me? She wonders.
"How though? How can you-" She interupts herself as she glances at the dragon, leans in close to Topaz and whispers. "-controll a dragon?"
>>112169
"Please excuse me, the bottle is yours now." Sonata says with a slight bow, wandering off into the surrounding forest.
"Please excuse me, the bottle is yours now." Sonata says with a slight bow, wandering off into the surrounding forest.
>>112191
Don't you go splitting up now.
>>112190
>>112189
Topaz chuckles.
"Oh don't worry about subtlety, Phospy can hear it."
She downgrades her smile into a sheepish one.
"I simply... ask him to do stuff. I can't quite say what's causing him to be so compelled to listen to me. I guess it is because of my charm."
Don't you go splitting up now.
>>112190
>>112189
Topaz chuckles.
"Oh don't worry about subtlety, Phospy can hear it."
She downgrades her smile into a sheepish one.
"I simply... ask him to do stuff. I can't quite say what's causing him to be so compelled to listen to me. I guess it is because of my charm."
>>112199
"Oh."
She takes a quick peek at the dragon.
Is that true? Why would a dragon find a pony charming?
She looks back at Topaz before returning tp consuming her bread in silence.
Well, she is very pretty. But I thought dragons only cared for crystals, treasure, and gemstones. But I guess it is possible that she reminds him of gems or something.
Wait, did she say "my charm"? Was she saying she put a spell on him?
Is that why I am so calm when I look at her? Has she put a spell on me?
Regardless, if I want to escape her, I must do it later when the dragon isn't present.
Then, again the dragon doesn't seem to be in pain so maybe it souldn't be to bad... No, what am I thinking? What have you done to me?
A momentary glare flashes by on the mares face before it becomes calm again.
Well, I came here for information so I will get it and get out. I will ssimply play along.
She turns to Topaz again.
"I realise I haven't introduced myself. I am Reality Phobia. Who are you?"
"Oh."
She takes a quick peek at the dragon.
Is that true? Why would a dragon find a pony charming?
She looks back at Topaz before returning tp consuming her bread in silence.
Well, she is very pretty. But I thought dragons only cared for crystals, treasure, and gemstones. But I guess it is possible that she reminds him of gems or something.
Wait, did she say "my charm"? Was she saying she put a spell on him?
Is that why I am so calm when I look at her? Has she put a spell on me?
Regardless, if I want to escape her, I must do it later when the dragon isn't present.
Then, again the dragon doesn't seem to be in pain so maybe it souldn't be to bad... No, what am I thinking? What have you done to me?
A momentary glare flashes by on the mares face before it becomes calm again.
Well, I came here for information so I will get it and get out. I will ssimply play along.
She turns to Topaz again.
"I realise I haven't introduced myself. I am Reality Phobia. Who are you?"
>>112209
Topaz smiles.
"I'm Topaz Tower. Nice to meet you Reality. The dragon is Phosphorus."
He lazily waves, suddenly without much worry.
Topaz points at the Earth Pony eating without emotion, only stoicism.
"And that is Diamond Hoof."
However in her mind, she's plotting herself.
(Alright. I have broken that outer exterior full of concrete with the dragon. Now to sneak in the friendship roots!)
"Want to take a closer look at the dragon? I saw you looking at it. Don't worry, it won't bite."
Topaz smiles.
"I'm Topaz Tower. Nice to meet you Reality. The dragon is Phosphorus."
He lazily waves, suddenly without much worry.
Topaz points at the Earth Pony eating without emotion, only stoicism.
"And that is Diamond Hoof."
However in her mind, she's plotting herself.
(Alright. I have broken that outer exterior full of concrete with the dragon. Now to sneak in the friendship roots!)
"Want to take a closer look at the dragon? I saw you looking at it. Don't worry, it won't bite."
>>112212
> it won't bite
No, it would probably swallow me whole.
Reality looks at the residue on Topaz's plate and gether the same things she had on her plate aswell since one cannot only live on bread. She is also hungry so.
She stand up from her chair and lifts the plate of food and fork and a knifein her magic aura.
"Okay, but what is that you want to show?" she stutters out. She looks at the dragon as a crease appears between her eyebrows and her lips thines out; she looksat it sceptically.
> it won't bite
No, it would probably swallow me whole.
Reality looks at the residue on Topaz's plate and gether the same things she had on her plate aswell since one cannot only live on bread. She is also hungry so.
She stand up from her chair and lifts the plate of food and fork and a knifein her magic aura.
"Okay, but what is that you want to show?" she stutters out. She looks at the dragon as a crease appears between her eyebrows and her lips thines out; she looksat it sceptically.
>>112219
Iron glances at the taking of her residue.
(Hm. She still seems to be acting cautious.)
"I want to show her how serene he is."
Looking at Topaz, he's basically posing as if he was sunbathing, without a care in the world.
Diamond stands up from his plate, carefully cleaning himself with the proper napkin, then walks to the dragon.
He pokes the dragon's snout, making him open the mouth, in which the Earth Pony puts the whole foreleg, even to the point of stroking its teeth slightly.
"See? He's not afriad he'll bite. Why should you?"
>>112220
She has big brain.
Iron glances at the taking of her residue.
(Hm. She still seems to be acting cautious.)
"I want to show her how serene he is."
Looking at Topaz, he's basically posing as if he was sunbathing, without a care in the world.
Diamond stands up from his plate, carefully cleaning himself with the proper napkin, then walks to the dragon.
He pokes the dragon's snout, making him open the mouth, in which the Earth Pony puts the whole foreleg, even to the point of stroking its teeth slightly.
"See? He's not afriad he'll bite. Why should you?"
>>112220
She has big brain.
>>112238
Topaz smiles through her concern.
"Well, you could say that is how I managed to get myself a dragon. By not being scared of it."
Diamond is currently patting Phospy.
Topaz smiles through her concern.
"Well, you could say that is how I managed to get myself a dragon. By not being scared of it."
Diamond is currently patting Phospy.
She looks at you for a moment and then back at the dragon.
Then she put her plate down on the table.
"I'll pet it if you come with."
Then she put her plate down on the table.
"I'll pet it if you come with."
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>>112246
Topaz smiles ever further.
"Great! Follow me."
She stands up, beckoning Reality to follow while Diamond went back to sitting and eating again.
Phospy looks at Topaz and Reality from his belly up perspective, surprised, but does not move a muscle as his master ordered.
The dragon awaits its pats.
>>112248
>>112247
I is guilty
Sed tiem.
Topaz smiles ever further.
"Great! Follow me."
She stands up, beckoning Reality to follow while Diamond went back to sitting and eating again.
Phospy looks at Topaz and Reality from his belly up perspective, surprised, but does not move a muscle as his master ordered.
The dragon awaits its pats.
>>112248
>>112247
I is guilty
Sed tiem.
>>112252
Reality meets the gaze of the dragon for a short moment. She look at it t osee if he truly is okay with this. He doesn't indicate that he isn't so she continues forth.
She reaches out her hoof and starts to stoke scales in the direction the they go in.
How does it feel to pet Topaz's dragon?
Reality meets the gaze of the dragon for a short moment. She look at it t osee if he truly is okay with this. He doesn't indicate that he isn't so she continues forth.
She reaches out her hoof and starts to stoke scales in the direction the they go in.
How does it feel to pet Topaz's dragon?
>>112259
Topaz exhales contently.
The feeling of scales on hoof can be considered rocky at this stage, like stroking along a smooth rock road. The heat is a little bit lower to other dragons and Reality could even swear she felt water inbetween the scales at times. Sometimes, he could feel his big heart palpitating through her hoof, clearly showing his young adulthood.
This only makes Phospy throw out a thin line of steam for her efforts.
Topaz, meanwhile, knows she's close to hooking her into the friendship.
"See? Look at how docile and happy he is."
Topaz exhales contently.
The feeling of scales on hoof can be considered rocky at this stage, like stroking along a smooth rock road. The heat is a little bit lower to other dragons and Reality could even swear she felt water inbetween the scales at times. Sometimes, he could feel his big heart palpitating through her hoof, clearly showing his young adulthood.
This only makes Phospy throw out a thin line of steam for her efforts.
Topaz, meanwhile, knows she's close to hooking her into the friendship.
"See? Look at how docile and happy he is."
>>112269
>I hope I've given you a good taste of D&D.
It was great.
I have had a blast. It has been so fun.
>I hope I've given you a good taste of D&D.
It was great.
I have had a blast. It has been so fun.
>>112269
If she has any ulterior motive she is good at hidding it. However, maybe she actually means it.
She didn't know what to think about the unicorn.
Reality shakes her head and give you the warmest smile she had given anyone this evening.
"Thanks. That was sweet of you."
If she has any ulterior motive she is good at hidding it. However, maybe she actually means it.
She didn't know what to think about the unicorn.
Reality shakes her head and give you the warmest smile she had given anyone this evening.
"Thanks. That was sweet of you."
[1d20+75 = 89]
In the time before the next session, I'd like to predict the weather. Just doing this for spell prep.
Rolling Survival, discharge Moment Of Prescience for a +28 insight bonus. Survival predicts the weather for one day, plus an additional day for each 5 points by which the check exceeds 15.
In the time before the next session, I'd like to predict the weather. Just doing this for spell prep.
Rolling Survival, discharge Moment Of Prescience for a +28 insight bonus. Survival predicts the weather for one day, plus an additional day for each 5 points by which the check exceeds 15.
>>112281
If you really want to touch the cowe, I'll entertain that process, but its more complicated than just rolling a dice. The bedroll she had strapped to her is a Personal Oasis so,....
If you really want to touch the cowe, I'll entertain that process, but its more complicated than just rolling a dice. The bedroll she had strapped to her is a Personal Oasis so,....
>>112286
Huh?
I mean, Diamond can probably do it with his unwavering stoic personality. Probably would do backflips, too.
Huh?
I mean, Diamond can probably do it with his unwavering stoic personality. Probably would do backflips, too.
>>112296
Hah! Like I'd tell you without you saying it first!
Although I know you have it multiplied by 25.
Hah! Like I'd tell you without you saying it first!
Although I know you have it multiplied by 25.
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Clerics and Druids are the best grapplemancers, imo; especially if they've got Intuitive Attack. Between Divine power and Righteous Might, priests of all kinds make for some of the best wrestlers, provided they have the time to buff-up (or in the Cleric's case, use DMM to persist their buffs). That's tier 1 for you, I guess.
>>112281
In Ash's mind a picture appears, almost too real to be her own thoughts.
The creature from earlier appears infront of a map of Equus, showing blue and red weather front lines. Along with some strange orange and pink ones, a few clouds raining tables and chairs. Discord himself is dressed in a suit, giving a good old cheesy weatherman smile. A frame seems to be set around the image, and scrawling text at the bottom says phrases such as "Visit sunny Hevosenmat today!" or temperatures such as 90° in Auritanssi or 57° in Unelakso.
"Hello! And thank you for tuning into Channel 69's 42 o'clock weather! I'm meteorologist Joe Momma, and we'll be starting with a two week weather forecast. Starting tomorrow there will be even more cotton candy clouds and chocolate rain, so be sure to carry an umbrella! This will continue for a few days, reaching hurricane force in some areas before giving way to a beautiful green sky in contrast with the purple grass! Then we'll have a few days of clear weather before the sun and moon stop moving! How about that! After this weather patterns will become sporadic, but will include phenomenon such as, Ahem; raining anvils, raining cats and dogs, frost that is actually rock candy, the air suddenly being replaced with orange juice, feathers weighing as much as a pound of lead, lead weighing as much as a pound of feathers, and my personal favorite! Bug swarms! I've been your host, Joe Momma, and I'm looking forward to seeing you again, if you survive."
The text at the bottom has turned more ominous, the temperatures ranging anywhere from -200° to 1000°, including phrases like "There's no escape" and "enjoy the world while it lasts."
In Ash's mind a picture appears, almost too real to be her own thoughts.
The creature from earlier appears infront of a map of Equus, showing blue and red weather front lines. Along with some strange orange and pink ones, a few clouds raining tables and chairs. Discord himself is dressed in a suit, giving a good old cheesy weatherman smile. A frame seems to be set around the image, and scrawling text at the bottom says phrases such as "Visit sunny Hevosenmat today!" or temperatures such as 90° in Auritanssi or 57° in Unelakso.
"Hello! And thank you for tuning into Channel 69's 42 o'clock weather! I'm meteorologist Joe Momma, and we'll be starting with a two week weather forecast. Starting tomorrow there will be even more cotton candy clouds and chocolate rain, so be sure to carry an umbrella! This will continue for a few days, reaching hurricane force in some areas before giving way to a beautiful green sky in contrast with the purple grass! Then we'll have a few days of clear weather before the sun and moon stop moving! How about that! After this weather patterns will become sporadic, but will include phenomenon such as, Ahem; raining anvils, raining cats and dogs, frost that is actually rock candy, the air suddenly being replaced with orange juice, feathers weighing as much as a pound of lead, lead weighing as much as a pound of feathers, and my personal favorite! Bug swarms! I've been your host, Joe Momma, and I'm looking forward to seeing you again, if you survive."
The text at the bottom has turned more ominous, the temperatures ranging anywhere from -200° to 1000°, including phrases like "There's no escape" and "enjoy the world while it lasts."
>>112301
Oh no, they're by far the best grapplemancers, even better than Druids. They have access to Enlarge Person, Righteous might, Divine Power, Giant Size, etc. Even a low-op Cleric can rip an optimized Fighter in half if he's got time to buff-up. They put the C in CoDzilla.
>>112302
>lots of wacky stuff
Sister Ash spends several minutes tasting the air with her tongue, before a dark look creeps over her face.
"It seems as though my Circle was right. I would have never expected such wickedness to have encroached on our territory..." she utters through a low growl
Sister Ash then casts Lay Of the Land to immediately know any and all landmarks within a 50 mile radius.
She then casts Commune With Nature, to get a much more in-depth picture of everything she just sensed, looking for any and all details that may point her to the origin points of the energies causing these unnatural weather patterns.
TL;DR: she takes a full ecological survey of everything natural and unnatural going on right now. This takes her 10 minutes.
Commune with Nature is a pretty broad scope of Divination, so I'm just going to post the description:
>You become one with nature, attaining knowledge of the surrounding territory.
>You instantly gain knowledge of as many as three facts from among the following subjects: the ground or terrain, plants, minerals, bodies of water, people, general animal population, presence of woodland creatures, presence of
powerful unnatural creatures, or even the general state of the natural setting.
>For example, you could determine the location of any powerful undead creatures, the location of all major sources of safe drinking water, and the location of any buildings (which register as blind spots).
She uses Reserves Of Strength to bolster her CL up to 29; giving her a 29 mile radius full-scale view of anything and everything that's going on right now.
Oh no, they're by far the best grapplemancers, even better than Druids. They have access to Enlarge Person, Righteous might, Divine Power, Giant Size, etc. Even a low-op Cleric can rip an optimized Fighter in half if he's got time to buff-up. They put the C in CoDzilla.
>>112302
>lots of wacky stuff
Sister Ash spends several minutes tasting the air with her tongue, before a dark look creeps over her face.
"It seems as though my Circle was right. I would have never expected such wickedness to have encroached on our territory..." she utters through a low growl
Sister Ash then casts Lay Of the Land to immediately know any and all landmarks within a 50 mile radius.
She then casts Commune With Nature, to get a much more in-depth picture of everything she just sensed, looking for any and all details that may point her to the origin points of the energies causing these unnatural weather patterns.
TL;DR: she takes a full ecological survey of everything natural and unnatural going on right now. This takes her 10 minutes.
Commune with Nature is a pretty broad scope of Divination, so I'm just going to post the description:
>You become one with nature, attaining knowledge of the surrounding territory.
>You instantly gain knowledge of as many as three facts from among the following subjects: the ground or terrain, plants, minerals, bodies of water, people, general animal population, presence of woodland creatures, presence of
powerful unnatural creatures, or even the general state of the natural setting.
>For example, you could determine the location of any powerful undead creatures, the location of all major sources of safe drinking water, and the location of any buildings (which register as blind spots).
She uses Reserves Of Strength to bolster her CL up to 29; giving her a 29 mile radius full-scale view of anything and everything that's going on right now.
(For a Druid, "unnatural creatures" may include things like undead, aberrations, outsiders, non-native elementals, templated extraplanar animals, etc)
And while I've still got these spells prepared...
Sister Ash casts Elemental Guardian into the air above the town at 28th caster level. This conjures a lesser Elemental Weird in the town, guarding it for 28 days.
https://www.realmshelps.net/monsters/block/Weird,_Lesser_Elemental_Air%7Calpha%7CAll%7CElemental
With Rashemi Eemental Summoning, the Weird becomes an Orglash: a more fearsome, Asiatic version of your typical Air Elemental Weird. It gains the Cold subtype, gains fast healing 3, cone of cold 3/day at 8th caster level, cold damage to its natural attacks, and other things.
The Orglash Weird is given the order to "protect the town", form unnatural creatures that may threaten it. It is completly invisible, and will scout the area around the town for the next 28 days, shooting bolts of lightning at hostiles.
She follows up by casting Liveoak on the largest tree in the vicinity, and speaks the password to the weird, instructing it to awaken the tree if faced with any monster it cannot zap/freeze to death. Upon activation, the LiveOak tree with animate into a Treant, and will stay active for 28 days. She instructs the Orglash to Awaken the treant after the duration of its 28 day summoning expires, if it has not already.
The treant will similarly be commanded to "defend the town", attacking evil and/or unnatural creatures who threaten its territory. Faced with an extraordinary threat, the Treant is ordered to use it's Animate Trees ability, then retreat to defend itself, potentially animating the entire forest into an endless chain of treants.
Orders are given to both the treant and the orglash weird to recognize eachother as friendly. They will fight together when needed. The orglash prioritizing fire-breathing creatures with it's cone of cold ability, taking advantage of it's natural invisibility and perfect Flight. The treant will prioritize monsters resistant to energy, and direct its wooden army towards monsters capable of seeing and/or shooting the flying orglash. The orglash is capable of healing itself by producing small amounts of snow, and it can travel to the elemental plane of air and back at will to retreat if necessary. The treant will use it's animate trees ability before exposing itself to extreme harm. If necessary, it will travel up to a mile to find more suitable trees for its militia. Animated Trees have all of the powers of the original treant, and will animate more trees if necessary. Treants in large groups will attack as Mobs:
https://www.realmshelps.net/monsters/templates/mob.shtml
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Treant
They will swarm the enemy as a CR 10 encounter, while the higher treants animate more trees and form more mobs. If the mobs are broken up, they will attack individually until the enemy is exhausted or dead.
The Elemental Weird will attempt to Dominate any non-good creature with the Air or Cold Subtype, adding these creatures to this militia.
Sister Ash then gives up her Avatar Of Nature spell slot to summon an Octopus tree at 28th caster level. The octopus tree uses its Grow Plants ability on the surrounding region 28 consecutive times in a row, causing the trees to grow enormously and the vegetation to grow lush and dense. It is impossible for Creatures larger than huge to navigate the region without significant injury, let alone go unnoticed.
Also, crops fields in the region will yield 932% of their normal productivity for the , regardless of the weather.
It's not much, but in case something nasty threatens the ponies here, they will have a champion. Also, i might have to put the weather on lockdown with a Thimblewinter, so they're going to want to stock up now in case the going gets tough.
Sister Ash casts Elemental Guardian into the air above the town at 28th caster level. This conjures a lesser Elemental Weird in the town, guarding it for 28 days.
https://www.realmshelps.net/monsters/block/Weird,_Lesser_Elemental_Air%7Calpha%7CAll%7CElemental
With Rashemi Eemental Summoning, the Weird becomes an Orglash: a more fearsome, Asiatic version of your typical Air Elemental Weird. It gains the Cold subtype, gains fast healing 3, cone of cold 3/day at 8th caster level, cold damage to its natural attacks, and other things.
The Orglash Weird is given the order to "protect the town", form unnatural creatures that may threaten it. It is completly invisible, and will scout the area around the town for the next 28 days, shooting bolts of lightning at hostiles.
She follows up by casting Liveoak on the largest tree in the vicinity, and speaks the password to the weird, instructing it to awaken the tree if faced with any monster it cannot zap/freeze to death. Upon activation, the LiveOak tree with animate into a Treant, and will stay active for 28 days. She instructs the Orglash to Awaken the treant after the duration of its 28 day summoning expires, if it has not already.
The treant will similarly be commanded to "defend the town", attacking evil and/or unnatural creatures who threaten its territory. Faced with an extraordinary threat, the Treant is ordered to use it's Animate Trees ability, then retreat to defend itself, potentially animating the entire forest into an endless chain of treants.
Orders are given to both the treant and the orglash weird to recognize eachother as friendly. They will fight together when needed. The orglash prioritizing fire-breathing creatures with it's cone of cold ability, taking advantage of it's natural invisibility and perfect Flight. The treant will prioritize monsters resistant to energy, and direct its wooden army towards monsters capable of seeing and/or shooting the flying orglash. The orglash is capable of healing itself by producing small amounts of snow, and it can travel to the elemental plane of air and back at will to retreat if necessary. The treant will use it's animate trees ability before exposing itself to extreme harm. If necessary, it will travel up to a mile to find more suitable trees for its militia. Animated Trees have all of the powers of the original treant, and will animate more trees if necessary. Treants in large groups will attack as Mobs:
https://www.realmshelps.net/monsters/templates/mob.shtml
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Treant
They will swarm the enemy as a CR 10 encounter, while the higher treants animate more trees and form more mobs. If the mobs are broken up, they will attack individually until the enemy is exhausted or dead.
The Elemental Weird will attempt to Dominate any non-good creature with the Air or Cold Subtype, adding these creatures to this militia.
Sister Ash then gives up her Avatar Of Nature spell slot to summon an Octopus tree at 28th caster level. The octopus tree uses its Grow Plants ability on the surrounding region 28 consecutive times in a row, causing the trees to grow enormously and the vegetation to grow lush and dense. It is impossible for Creatures larger than huge to navigate the region without significant injury, let alone go unnoticed.
Also, crops fields in the region will yield 932% of their normal productivity for the , regardless of the weather.
It's not much, but in case something nasty threatens the ponies here, they will have a champion. Also, i might have to put the weather on lockdown with a Thimblewinter, so they're going to want to stock up now in case the going gets tough.
>>112319
>inb4 they get so much produce that alot of it goes to waste, rots, festers, and causes a plague
>inb4 they get so much produce that alot of it goes to waste, rots, festers, and causes a plague
>>112316
Wheat is easily stored. If they grow too much food, they can just burn it for fuel or bury it in the woods. I trust that earth ponies would know what to do with it all.
Wheat is easily stored. If they grow too much food, they can just burn it for fuel or bury it in the woods. I trust that earth ponies would know what to do with it all.
>>112316
What i prepared should be able to deal with encounters up to 11th level. The Elemental Weird should be capable of dealing with monsters up to 8th CR without having to activate the liveoak, considering it has a directional and stealth advantage.
Should I set up a Druid's Grove to call a few contingent Siabries for emergency backup? It might be a bit overkill, but I also don't want the town to be destroyed while we're away. I still have spell slots and uses of turn undead left.
What i prepared should be able to deal with encounters up to 11th level. The Elemental Weird should be capable of dealing with monsters up to 8th CR without having to activate the liveoak, considering it has a directional and stealth advantage.
Should I set up a Druid's Grove to call a few contingent Siabries for emergency backup? It might be a bit overkill, but I also don't want the town to be destroyed while we're away. I still have spell slots and uses of turn undead left.
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>>112324
I don't want to slow down Friday's session with metaposts, and i'd prefer to declare my uses of today's spell now so that we can begin Friday's session on the dawn of the next day.
I prepared a lot of debuff and utility spells for today. On the next day in game, I'd prefer to prioritize divination and combat spells.
I don't want to slow down Friday's session with metaposts, and i'd prefer to declare my uses of today's spell now so that we can begin Friday's session on the dawn of the next day.
I prepared a lot of debuff and utility spells for today. On the next day in game, I'd prefer to prioritize divination and combat spells.
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>>112326
No u.
Not like you've even finished your sheet yet.
I'm just planning ahead, so I don't have to make all of these long posts when the session actually begins.
If it's a question of during what time my PC is doing this, she's got Holy Wake, so she can cast her remaining spells during the ~8 hours while the party would be resting.
Besides, it'd be better if somebody opened a Gate to the demiplane city, so Topaz's believers could get here without having to traverse across the Astral sea. While the party is preparing/resting, I could call them in during the night.
No u.
Not like you've even finished your sheet yet.
I'm just planning ahead, so I don't have to make all of these long posts when the session actually begins.
If it's a question of during what time my PC is doing this, she's got Holy Wake, so she can cast her remaining spells during the ~8 hours while the party would be resting.
Besides, it'd be better if somebody opened a Gate to the demiplane city, so Topaz's believers could get here without having to traverse across the Astral sea. While the party is preparing/resting, I could call them in during the night.
>>112332
I am all for it, but you'll have to let Topaz know.
There's always using astral caravan to come here, since their surival rolls are above-average, but I don't think she can speak with them without using Correspond.
I am all for it, but you'll have to let Topaz know.
There's always using astral caravan to come here, since their surival rolls are above-average, but I don't think she can speak with them without using Correspond.
>>112334
Actually, no you don't. The moment she feels their brethern in mental sight, she'll probably be all for it as well.
Actually, no you don't. The moment she feels their brethern in mental sight, she'll probably be all for it as well.
>>112334
Sister Ash still has 8th level slots available to channel into Discern Location. She also still has enough uses of Wildshape left for the day to use the Titan's Gate SLA to create a portal to the demiplane.
After finishing the spellcasting above, Sister approaches Topaz at the table.
"Your... followers(?) are still stuck in that unstable demiplane. Shall I bring them here? Only a truly powerful Magi could have created that world, but I doubt it will last forever now. It's been unstablized by having been in contact with Limbo.."
Sister Ash still has 8th level slots available to channel into Discern Location. She also still has enough uses of Wildshape left for the day to use the Titan's Gate SLA to create a portal to the demiplane.
After finishing the spellcasting above, Sister approaches Topaz at the table.
"Your... followers(?) are still stuck in that unstable demiplane. Shall I bring them here? Only a truly powerful Magi could have created that world, but I doubt it will last forever now. It's been unstablized by having been in contact with Limbo.."
>>112337
Topaz instantly lights up, with a big smile.
"Yes! If you can bring them, please do! I was starting to miss them a little."
Topaz instantly lights up, with a big smile.
"Yes! If you can bring them, please do! I was starting to miss them a little."
>>112340
Oh by the way, she's with Sven Player (Reality Phobia) at her dragon, after Reality petted Phospy at the gem pile.
Oh by the way, she's with Sven Player (Reality Phobia) at her dragon, after Reality petted Phospy at the gem pile.
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>>112340
>>112337
Well to accomplish this, I would need to manifest a gate, and hold it open long enough for ~2000 believers plus the residents of that demiplane to bottleneck through.
Sister Ash can do this this by travelling to the edge of the path in he forest and burning 2 uses of Plant Wildshape to Wildshape into a Titan. Due to her planar wildshape ability, she gain immediate access to the Titan's spell-like abilities, including Gate.
She then burns her prepared Anathema spell to cast Shapechange (CL increased to 28th level, via Reserves Of Strength), and Transmutes herself into a phoenix. Shapechange does not afford her the phoenix's spell-like abilities, but it does afford her the phoenix's Spell-Like metamagic ability, while retaining the Titan's spell-like abilities. This allows her to apply her metamagic feats to the Titan's spell-like abilities by using them as a full-round actin. Thus, he can apply Persistent Spell to Gate, allowing the herd of poners to travel through over the course of 24 hours.
>>112341
"Very well then. It would be better if you were there to receive them. Follow me please.." Sister Ash says, as she turns towards the woods
>>112337
Well to accomplish this, I would need to manifest a gate, and hold it open long enough for ~2000 believers plus the residents of that demiplane to bottleneck through.
Sister Ash can do this this by travelling to the edge of the path in he forest and burning 2 uses of Plant Wildshape to Wildshape into a Titan. Due to her planar wildshape ability, she gain immediate access to the Titan's spell-like abilities, including Gate.
She then burns her prepared Anathema spell to cast Shapechange (CL increased to 28th level, via Reserves Of Strength), and Transmutes herself into a phoenix. Shapechange does not afford her the phoenix's spell-like abilities, but it does afford her the phoenix's Spell-Like metamagic ability, while retaining the Titan's spell-like abilities. This allows her to apply her metamagic feats to the Titan's spell-like abilities by using them as a full-round actin. Thus, he can apply Persistent Spell to Gate, allowing the herd of poners to travel through over the course of 24 hours.
>>112341
"Very well then. It would be better if you were there to receive them. Follow me please.." Sister Ash says, as she turns towards the woods
>>112356
Whew. That's a lot of work to do.
Topaz follows, along with Reality if she wants to.
In case she does want to see even more power and control of the nice unicorn.
Whew. That's a lot of work to do.
Topaz follows, along with Reality if she wants to.
In case she does want to see even more power and control of the nice unicorn.
>>112357
The real work to do starts now. We've flooded the setting with a herd of poners that amount to more than 20 times (maybe 40 times) the population of this town. They need a place to Sleep.
"I've mltiplied the number of trees in this region thirty-fold. If your followers(?).. followers, that is, if they require lumber, taking a few trees could be permissible.." Sister Ash says, shapechanging back into herself after opening the Gate.
The real work to do starts now. We've flooded the setting with a herd of poners that amount to more than 20 times (maybe 40 times) the population of this town. They need a place to Sleep.
"I've mltiplied the number of trees in this region thirty-fold. If your followers(?).. followers, that is, if they require lumber, taking a few trees could be permissible.." Sister Ash says, shapechanging back into herself after opening the Gate.
>>112363
She nods, hopping a little.
"Why thank you, Ash. Some of my ponies could get cold and I don't have that many wagons to let that many ponies sleep in relative warmth."
Wait, has it been done already?
She nods, hopping a little.
"Why thank you, Ash. Some of my ponies could get cold and I don't have that many wagons to let that many ponies sleep in relative warmth."
Wait, has it been done already?
>>112365
Idk, I'm waiting for approval.
I was going to extend+persist undermaster on my tortoise to buld a few fortresses and ramparts.
Idk, I'm waiting for approval.
I was going to extend+persist undermaster on my tortoise to buld a few fortresses and ramparts.
>>112365
"It's the least I could do. They'd be better off here than in that demiplane. Sometimes I wonder why ponies keep making those things.."
"It's the least I could do. They'd be better off here than in that demiplane. Sometimes I wonder why ponies keep making those things.."
>>112380
No. Demiplanes are small planes that spellcasters or manifestes create with magic. They're typically made by high level Wizards for personal reasons, or by extraplanar organizations like Mercane caravans.
The plane of chaos (aka Limbo) is an actual outer plane of existence.
No. Demiplanes are small planes that spellcasters or manifestes create with magic. They're typically made by high level Wizards for personal reasons, or by extraplanar organizations like Mercane caravans.
The plane of chaos (aka Limbo) is an actual outer plane of existence.
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Anyway, if I use Shapechange to turn into a Tome Dragon (very old) (my favorite form) I could use its Free Metamagick ability to Persist then Extend my remaining spells to increase them to 48 hours duration. If I do so with my prepared Undermaster spell, Sister Ash could build just about any concievable structure over the next 8 hours using repeated uses of Stoneshape, Wall Of Stone, Statue, and Move Earth over the next 8 hours. She could cast it onto her turtle as well.
Then she could move on to casting Extended Shamber, them Extend+Persist a few of Nature's Allies as support for the next mission.
Then she could move on to casting Extended Shamber, them Extend+Persist a few of Nature's Allies as support for the next mission.
She's still got a use of Wish as an SLA, if anybody wants one.
Just don't ask for shekels.
Just don't ask for shekels.
>>112410
Nifty. No current need for now, but be sure to use it in the Dragon Lands if it can save us.
Nifty. No current need for now, but be sure to use it in the Dragon Lands if it can save us.
>>112411
Gotta use it before the end of the day.
I might just use it to turn the weather back to normal.
Gotta use it before the end of the day.
I might just use it to turn the weather back to normal.
>>112421
¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
It's preferable to post this now rather than during session, imo, lest I spoil the game with metaposts
¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
It's preferable to post this now rather than during session, imo, lest I spoil the game with metaposts
>>112424
Oh, I meant my posting as well. Not singling you out here.
I mean, I basically dragged Sven's character to pet a dragon nearby. That should be a show for other viewers.
Oh, I meant my posting as well. Not singling you out here.
I mean, I basically dragged Sven's character to pet a dragon nearby. That should be a show for other viewers.
>>112421
Likely. Not GM, and I get why y'all are excited and can't wait to get shit going, but honestly how many posts have occurred since the last session? And how many of them have been attempts to cue actions outside of game time?
Tl;dr This shit is discouraging AF
Likely. Not GM, and I get why y'all are excited and can't wait to get shit going, but honestly how many posts have occurred since the last session? And how many of them have been attempts to cue actions outside of game time?
Tl;dr This shit is discouraging AF
>>112357
I will need to think about what she would do, which is convenient since our next session isn't until the weekend.
I will need to think about what she would do, which is convenient since our next session isn't until the weekend.
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>tfw 175 hours of Wildshape per day, but haven't even used 8 of them yet
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If the GM could please make a note of what time(s) he would like to run this weekend, so that I can organize my study/work time accordingly, I would really appreciate that.
I've got time, I just need to know when.
Pic unrelated.
I've got time, I just need to know when.
Pic unrelated.
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>Planar Shepherd
>Cleric
>Thrallherd
>Artificer
>Swordsage
I think we've got every class niche covered here (probably multiple times). Quite the badass lineup. I think this party could possibly even steamroll a Protean attack, assuming we could incapacitate it before it split into infinite copies of itself. It'd be one hell of a nasty fight though. And assuming everypony showed up to the fight.
>Cleric
>Thrallherd
>Artificer
>Swordsage
I think we've got every class niche covered here (probably multiple times). Quite the badass lineup. I think this party could possibly even steamroll a Protean attack, assuming we could incapacitate it before it split into infinite copies of itself. It'd be one hell of a nasty fight though. And assuming everypony showed up to the fight.
>>112624
Just because my character would prefer peace doesn't mean I personally wouldn't enjoy some life-and-death combat.
Just because my character would prefer peace doesn't mean I personally wouldn't enjoy some life-and-death combat.
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>>112628
Also, being a Dragonborn, a Gatekeeper Inititiate and a Radiant Servant, Sister Ash is religiously inclined to physically remove any evil dragons, Aberrations, or Undead in most circumstances.
High-level Druids are territorial motherfuckers.
Also, being a Dragonborn, a Gatekeeper Inititiate and a Radiant Servant, Sister Ash is religiously inclined to physically remove any evil dragons, Aberrations, or Undead in most circumstances.
High-level Druids are territorial motherfuckers.
>>112629
Almost makes one wonder what business a druid has trying to be a protector for anything but nature
Almost makes one wonder what business a druid has trying to be a protector for anything but nature
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>>112630
Sister Ash is a Planar Shepherd of Elysium: she's a guardian of the upper realms in addition to the prime material plane.
I said multiple time in character that she was returning to the mortal realm after centuries in paradise.
I made her a Radiant Servant because it's the class most associated with Pelor, the Lord of Elysium. It also fits her since she's a neutral good Sun Domain Druid. The radiant servant class also says it can be adapted if Pelor isn't in the setting.
Dragonborn was mostly for flavor. I like the aesthetics of platinum scales, and Bahamut is the Lord of all good-aligned dragonkind. She's closer to Tamara in her beliefs, but as a Dragonblood Bahamut would be her patron. Bahamut explicitly allows his adopted children to follow other nonevil gods or sectd and even draw spells from them, so being dragonborn doesn't conflict with any of her other religious obligations, so long as she opposes the spawn of Tiamat. Also, she has a personality very similar to most Dragonborn, so I figured she may as well be one. I think it fits well with the Ascetic aesthetic.
Sister Ash is a Planar Shepherd of Elysium: she's a guardian of the upper realms in addition to the prime material plane.
I said multiple time in character that she was returning to the mortal realm after centuries in paradise.
I made her a Radiant Servant because it's the class most associated with Pelor, the Lord of Elysium. It also fits her since she's a neutral good Sun Domain Druid. The radiant servant class also says it can be adapted if Pelor isn't in the setting.
Dragonborn was mostly for flavor. I like the aesthetics of platinum scales, and Bahamut is the Lord of all good-aligned dragonkind. She's closer to Tamara in her beliefs, but as a Dragonblood Bahamut would be her patron. Bahamut explicitly allows his adopted children to follow other nonevil gods or sectd and even draw spells from them, so being dragonborn doesn't conflict with any of her other religious obligations, so long as she opposes the spawn of Tiamat. Also, she has a personality very similar to most Dragonborn, so I figured she may as well be one. I think it fits well with the Ascetic aesthetic.
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>>112630
As Obad Hai taught us: Those who do not destroy or otherwise harm the harmony of nature deserve swift vengeance in an appropriate manner; those who are one with nature, however, have little to fear.
The Gatekeepers were actually a sect of druids in the Eberron campaign setting. It was an age old tradition of xeno-purging established by the first orcish circle, meant to oppose the wicked abominations that poured into the world from Xoriat (basically the far realm).
I actually dubbed her "Sister Ash" as a reference to the Adhbound sect, but role-playing an Ashbound Druid in a pony setting would be kind of obnoxious, because of their particular beliefs being so opposed to arcane magic... I still thought the name was fitting, since one of her defining traits is being a fanatical zealot. She's closer to the Greensingers or Forest Wardens in practice though.
As Obad Hai taught us: Those who do not destroy or otherwise harm the harmony of nature deserve swift vengeance in an appropriate manner; those who are one with nature, however, have little to fear.
The Gatekeepers were actually a sect of druids in the Eberron campaign setting. It was an age old tradition of xeno-purging established by the first orcish circle, meant to oppose the wicked abominations that poured into the world from Xoriat (basically the far realm).
I actually dubbed her "Sister Ash" as a reference to the Adhbound sect, but role-playing an Ashbound Druid in a pony setting would be kind of obnoxious, because of their particular beliefs being so opposed to arcane magic... I still thought the name was fitting, since one of her defining traits is being a fanatical zealot. She's closer to the Greensingers or Forest Wardens in practice though.
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Is this game running tonight?
Alright. We're doing this again. Roll call!
>Got Milk?
>Nun without a gun
>Healy Pegasus
>The only non-crystal pony to be named after a gemstone
>The pony who will keep discord's mother company
>Swedish Meatballs
>Got Milk?
>Nun without a gun
>Healy Pegasus
>The only non-crystal pony to be named after a gemstone
>The pony who will keep discord's mother company
>Swedish Meatballs
>>112797
I'll be available later, for I need to deal with uni stuff.
I'll let Ash take control over her actions for now.
I'll be available later, for I need to deal with uni stuff.
I'll let Ash take control over her actions for now.
Should I post my prepared spells to the thread?
I don't prepare them util the next day, but it' a thing I'm planing ahead for.
I don't prepare them util the next day, but it' a thing I'm planing ahead for.
Well, if I can get one last action in, I'd like to use the last of my turn undead attempts to apply DMM Persist to my Extended Owls's Insight (with Resrves Of Strength),to get a +14 Insight Bonus to Wisdom for the next 48 hours.
>>112806
I prepared Owl's Insight in a higher level slot to have it extended. This way, I can persist it for 48 hours instead of 24, and thus prepare moar spells.
I prepared Owl's Insight in a higher level slot to have it extended. This way, I can persist it for 48 hours instead of 24, and thus prepare moar spells.
>>112813
It grants an Insight bonus to Wisdom equal to half the users's caster level.With Reserves Of Strength, my caster level become 28.
https://dndtools.net/spells/spell-compendium--86/owls-insight--4619/
It grants an Insight bonus to Wisdom equal to half the users's caster level.With Reserves Of Strength, my caster level become 28.
https://dndtools.net/spells/spell-compendium--86/owls-insight--4619/
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>>112817
That raises her effective Wisdom score to 60 for the next 4 days. 36 natural (31, +5 inherent), +10 Enhancement, +14 Insight.
Could probably get it higher i had some magic prayer beads, but that wouldn't be the ascetic way.
As per how the chart scales in the PHB, you get a single bonus Xth level spell at +X and for each +4 more, another one, so hat should come out as..
+7 1st level spells, +6 2nd-5th level spells and +5 6th-9th level spells.
I need to add those to my prepared spells. I'll post them in a bit.
>>112828
It's a touch-range spell. You can touch yourself, just like with Owl's Wisdom.
That raises her effective Wisdom score to 60 for the next 4 days. 36 natural (31, +5 inherent), +10 Enhancement, +14 Insight.
Could probably get it higher i had some magic prayer beads, but that wouldn't be the ascetic way.
As per how the chart scales in the PHB, you get a single bonus Xth level spell at +X and for each +4 more, another one, so hat should come out as..
+7 1st level spells, +6 2nd-5th level spells and +5 6th-9th level spells.
I need to add those to my prepared spells. I'll post them in a bit.
>>112828
It's a touch-range spell. You can touch yourself, just like with Owl's Wisdom.
>>112832
It says touch range in the text. The italicized line is just flavor and it doesn't appear in the original printing of the spell.
Also, if you check the terminology for spell-casting in the PHB, you are considered to be an allied creature for spells and effects that affect allies. That's why bards are decent at melee at low levels with Inspire courage.
It says touch range in the text. The italicized line is just flavor and it doesn't appear in the original printing of the spell.
Also, if you check the terminology for spell-casting in the PHB, you are considered to be an allied creature for spells and effects that affect allies. That's why bards are decent at melee at low levels with Inspire courage.
>>112836
Actually, it doesn't say that
>Touch: You must touch a creature or object to affect it. A touch spell that deals damage can score a critical hit on a nat 20 and deals double damage. Some touch spells, such as teleport and water walk, allow you to touch multiple targets. You can touch as many willing targets as you can reach as part of the casting, but all targets of the spell must be touched in the same round that you finish casting the spell.
Actually, it doesn't say that
>Touch: You must touch a creature or object to affect it. A touch spell that deals damage can score a critical hit on a nat 20 and deals double damage. Some touch spells, such as teleport and water walk, allow you to touch multiple targets. You can touch as many willing targets as you can reach as part of the casting, but all targets of the spell must be touched in the same round that you finish casting the spell.
>>112840
It doesn't exclude touching yourself.
If you couldn't cast touch range spells on yourself, potions of cure light wouldn't wouldn't work, because the imbiber is considered to be both the subject and the caster. And we know Clerics can heal their own wounds.
It doesn't exclude touching yourself.
If you couldn't cast touch range spells on yourself, potions of cure light wouldn't wouldn't work, because the imbiber is considered to be both the subject and the caster. And we know Clerics can heal their own wounds.
Heck, even teleport is a touch spell
Also re: Teleport
>Range: Personal and Touch
>Range: Personal and Touch
>>112846
Why would Paladins get Bull's Strength and Eagle's Splendor if not to use it on themselves? Assassin's get cat's grace, to use on themselves.
Why would Paladins get Bull's Strength and Eagle's Splendor if not to use it on themselves? Assassin's get cat's grace, to use on themselves.
>>112853
There is no rule in the handbook that says you cannot touch yourself when casting a touch range spell.
There is no rule in the handbook that says you cannot touch yourself when casting a touch range spell.
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>>112871
Go for dragon lands to get the orange gem, but Ash is currently trying to transpprt my believers into this dimension.
Go for dragon lands to get the orange gem, but Ash is currently trying to transpprt my believers into this dimension.
>>112871
Sister Ash just opened a persistent gate that brought ~2000 poners into this smol village.
And if possible, she'd like to speak to the ruler/creator o the demiplane.
Sister Ash just opened a persistent gate that brought ~2000 poners into this smol village.
And if possible, she'd like to speak to the ruler/creator o the demiplane.
>>112878
No, he asked if the part ever decided to do something. Put it in context. He wasn't asking "Did anyone have a list of actions that they hoped to lump in when game was suspended".
You're welcome to go ahead now though, I assume.
No, he asked if the part ever decided to do something. Put it in context. He wasn't asking "Did anyone have a list of actions that they hoped to lump in when game was suspended".
You're welcome to go ahead now though, I assume.
Alright 2 votes for the dragonlands, any objections?
>>112886
Let it be. This is not the time for drama from mere appliance of rules and regulations.
You can pet Phospy if you want to.
Or Diamond, but he's way less uninteresting.
Let it be. This is not the time for drama from mere appliance of rules and regulations.
You can pet Phospy if you want to.
Or Diamond, but he's way less uninteresting.
Actually wait. That'd take hours. I have Stormwalk prepared, which is better. It'll cause a ruckus, but we'll get there faster.
On the start of he next day, once everypony is prepared, Sister Ash claps her hooves together, causing the sky to go dark and clouds to brew overhead.
"I've made all of my preparations. Shall we be off now?"
On the start of he next day, once everypony is prepared, Sister Ash claps her hooves together, causing the sky to go dark and clouds to brew overhead.
"I've made all of my preparations. Shall we be off now?"
>>112891
Topaz nods.
"I think I am ready."
Phospy lazily rolls himself to a standing position and proceeds to be at the unicorn's side.
Diamond stoically awaits on Topaz's other side.
Topaz nods.
"I think I am ready."
Phospy lazily rolls himself to a standing position and proceeds to be at the unicorn's side.
Diamond stoically awaits on Topaz's other side.
I teleport affect 14 creatures with this.
https://dndtools.net/spells/stormwrack--87/stormwalk--3337/
"Everyone gather round, please."
Also, posting today's spells here so i don't forget again.
Orisons (6)
>Create Water
>Dawn
>Stench
>Foraging Charm
>Fire Eyes
>Mending
1st level (12)
>Blockade
>Faerie Fire
>Summon Fey (KoK, 188)
>Instant Of Power
>Powersight
>Snowshoes
>Sun Father’s Face
>Omen Of Peril
>Vision Of Punishment
>Wall Of Smoke
>Regenerate Light Wounds
>Traveler’s Mount
>Impeding Stones
Second Level (11)
>Blinding Spittle
>Bone Talisman (x4)
http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20040721a
>Kelpstrand
>Nature’s Favor
>Snake’s Swiftness, Mass
>Rockburst
>Nature’s Favor
Third Level: (11)
>Alter Fortune
>Stone Shape
>Whispering sands
>Forest Voice
>Hammer of Righteousness
>Plant Growth
>Venomfire
>Sleet Storm
>Speak With Plants
>Entangling Staff
>Wall Of Fungus
Fourth Level: (11
>Boreal Wind
>Celestial Fortress
>Giant Vermin
>Feathers
>Friendly Fire
>Lay of the land
>Scrying
>Perinarch
>Wall Of Salt
>Primal Sense
>Elemental Guardian
Fifth level (11
>Animal Growth
>Baleful Polymorph
>Call Avalanche
>Blizzard
>Commune With Nature
>Control Winds
>Death Ward
>Inquisition
>Plant Body
>Bite Of The Weretiger
>Choking Sands
6th level (10)
>Antilife Shell
>Curse Of Spilt Water
>Energy Immunity
>Fey Ring
>Find The Path
>Liveoak
>Mudslide
>Stormwalk
>Gate Seal
>Owl’s Insight (Exended)
7th level (10)
>Scry Location
>Master Earth
>Rain Of Roses
>Greater Scrying
>Control Weather
>Whiteout
>Constricting Chains
>True Seeing
>Windalk
>Unicorn Heart
8th level (10)
>Frostfell
>Leonal’s Roar
>Reverse Gravity
>Unearthly Beauty
>Word Of Recall
>Mindblank
>Animal Shapes
>Fimbulwinter
>Flashflood
>Speak With Anything
9th level (10)
>Summon Elemental Monolith
>Shadow Landscape
>Shambler (2x)
>Tsunami (2x)
>Undermaster
>Nature’s Avatar
>Cometstrike
>Deathward, Mass
https://dndtools.net/spells/stormwrack--87/stormwalk--3337/
"Everyone gather round, please."
Also, posting today's spells here so i don't forget again.
Orisons (6)
>Create Water
>Dawn
>Stench
>Foraging Charm
>Fire Eyes
>Mending
1st level (12)
>Blockade
>Faerie Fire
>Summon Fey (KoK, 188)
>Instant Of Power
>Powersight
>Snowshoes
>Sun Father’s Face
>Omen Of Peril
>Vision Of Punishment
>Wall Of Smoke
>Regenerate Light Wounds
>Traveler’s Mount
>Impeding Stones
Second Level (11)
>Blinding Spittle
>Bone Talisman (x4)
http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20040721a
>Kelpstrand
>Nature’s Favor
>Snake’s Swiftness, Mass
>Rockburst
>Nature’s Favor
Third Level: (11)
>Alter Fortune
>Stone Shape
>Whispering sands
>Forest Voice
>Hammer of Righteousness
>Plant Growth
>Venomfire
>Sleet Storm
>Speak With Plants
>Entangling Staff
>Wall Of Fungus
Fourth Level: (11
>Boreal Wind
>Celestial Fortress
>Giant Vermin
>Feathers
>Friendly Fire
>Lay of the land
>Scrying
>Perinarch
>Wall Of Salt
>Primal Sense
>Elemental Guardian
Fifth level (11
>Animal Growth
>Baleful Polymorph
>Call Avalanche
>Blizzard
>Commune With Nature
>Control Winds
>Death Ward
>Inquisition
>Plant Body
>Bite Of The Weretiger
>Choking Sands
6th level (10)
>Antilife Shell
>Curse Of Spilt Water
>Energy Immunity
>Fey Ring
>Find The Path
>Liveoak
>Mudslide
>Stormwalk
>Gate Seal
>Owl’s Insight (Exended)
7th level (10)
>Scry Location
>Master Earth
>Rain Of Roses
>Greater Scrying
>Control Weather
>Whiteout
>Constricting Chains
>True Seeing
>Windalk
>Unicorn Heart
8th level (10)
>Frostfell
>Leonal’s Roar
>Reverse Gravity
>Unearthly Beauty
>Word Of Recall
>Mindblank
>Animal Shapes
>Fimbulwinter
>Flashflood
>Speak With Anything
9th level (10)
>Summon Elemental Monolith
>Shadow Landscape
>Shambler (2x)
>Tsunami (2x)
>Undermaster
>Nature’s Avatar
>Cometstrike
>Deathward, Mass
>>112900
Yep.
Topaz decides to strike up a small conversation to pass time.
"Yoy are one of those magic users, right? My dispelling powers didn't work on the chocolate milk raining clouds."
Yep.
Topaz decides to strike up a small conversation to pass time.
"Yoy are one of those magic users, right? My dispelling powers didn't work on the chocolate milk raining clouds."
>>112904
Topaz nods, making mental notes.
"Interesting. To be honest, I never found such a strong weather magic caster. I read Phospy can affect weather, too, when he gets older."
Phospy only lets out steam from his nostrils.
"I assume they mean making rain and such, considering what he exhales out."
Topaz nods, making mental notes.
"Interesting. To be honest, I never found such a strong weather magic caster. I read Phospy can affect weather, too, when he gets older."
Phospy only lets out steam from his nostrils.
"I assume they mean making rain and such, considering what he exhales out."
Oh shoot, I forgot Sticks To Snakes. Here's my actual, real spell list
Orisons (6)
>Create Water
>Dawn
>Stench
>Foraging Charm
>Fire Eyes
>Mending
1st level (12)
>Blockade
>Faerie Fire
>Summon Fey (KoK, 188)
>Instant Of Power
>Powersight
>Snowshoes
>Sun Father’s Face
>Omen Of Peril
>Vision Of Punishment
>Wall Of Smoke
>Regenerate Light Wounds
>Traveler’s Mount
>Impeding Stones
Second Level (11)
>Blinding Spittle
>Bone Talisman (x5)
http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20040721a
>Kelpstrand
>Nature’s Favor
>Snake’s Swiftness, Mass
>Rockburst
>Nature’s Favor
Third Level: (11)
>Alter Fortune
>Stone Shape
>Whispering sands
>Forest Voice
>Hammer of Righteousness
>Plant Growth
>Venomfire
>Sleet Storm
>Sticks To Snakes
>Entangling Staff
>Wall Of Fungus
Fourth Level: (11
>Boreal Wind
>Celestial Fortress
>Giant Vermin
>Feathers
>Friendly Fire
>Lay of the land
>Scrying
>Perinarch
>Wall Of Salt
>Primal Sense
>Elemental Guardian
Fifth level (11
>Animal Growth
>Baleful Polymorph
>Call Avalanche
>Blizzard
>Commune With Nature
>Control Winds
>Death Ward
>Inquisition
>Plant Body
>Bite Of The Weretiger
>Choking Sands
6th level (10)
>Antilife Shell
>Curse Of Spilt Water
>Energy Immunity
>Fey Ring
>Find The Path
>Liveoak
>Mudslide
>Stormwalk
>Gate Seal
>Owl’s Insight (Exended)
7th level (10)
>Scry Location
>Master Earth
>Rain Of Roses
>Greater Scrying
>Control Weather
>Whiteout
>Constricting Chains
>True Seeing
>Windalk
>Unicorn Heart
8th level (10)
>Frostfell
>Leonal’s Roar
>Reverse Gravity
>Unearthly Beauty
>Word Of Recall
>Mindblank
>Animal Shapes
>Fimbulwinter
>Flashflood
>Speak With Anything
9th level (10)
>Summon Elemental Monolith
>Shadow Landscape
>Shambler (2x)
>Tsunami (2x)
>Undermaster
>Nature’s Avatar
>Cometstrike
>Deathward, Mass
Orisons (6)
>Create Water
>Dawn
>Stench
>Foraging Charm
>Fire Eyes
>Mending
1st level (12)
>Blockade
>Faerie Fire
>Summon Fey (KoK, 188)
>Instant Of Power
>Powersight
>Snowshoes
>Sun Father’s Face
>Omen Of Peril
>Vision Of Punishment
>Wall Of Smoke
>Regenerate Light Wounds
>Traveler’s Mount
>Impeding Stones
Second Level (11)
>Blinding Spittle
>Bone Talisman (x5)
http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20040721a
>Kelpstrand
>Nature’s Favor
>Snake’s Swiftness, Mass
>Rockburst
>Nature’s Favor
Third Level: (11)
>Alter Fortune
>Stone Shape
>Whispering sands
>Forest Voice
>Hammer of Righteousness
>Plant Growth
>Venomfire
>Sleet Storm
>Sticks To Snakes
>Entangling Staff
>Wall Of Fungus
Fourth Level: (11
>Boreal Wind
>Celestial Fortress
>Giant Vermin
>Feathers
>Friendly Fire
>Lay of the land
>Scrying
>Perinarch
>Wall Of Salt
>Primal Sense
>Elemental Guardian
Fifth level (11
>Animal Growth
>Baleful Polymorph
>Call Avalanche
>Blizzard
>Commune With Nature
>Control Winds
>Death Ward
>Inquisition
>Plant Body
>Bite Of The Weretiger
>Choking Sands
6th level (10)
>Antilife Shell
>Curse Of Spilt Water
>Energy Immunity
>Fey Ring
>Find The Path
>Liveoak
>Mudslide
>Stormwalk
>Gate Seal
>Owl’s Insight (Exended)
7th level (10)
>Scry Location
>Master Earth
>Rain Of Roses
>Greater Scrying
>Control Weather
>Whiteout
>Constricting Chains
>True Seeing
>Windalk
>Unicorn Heart
8th level (10)
>Frostfell
>Leonal’s Roar
>Reverse Gravity
>Unearthly Beauty
>Word Of Recall
>Mindblank
>Animal Shapes
>Fimbulwinter
>Flashflood
>Speak With Anything
9th level (10)
>Summon Elemental Monolith
>Shadow Landscape
>Shambler (2x)
>Tsunami (2x)
>Undermaster
>Nature’s Avatar
>Cometstrike
>Deathward, Mass
>>112906
>when he gets older
>in a few centuries
"You do learn a thing or two when you've been in the circle for as long as I have."
>when he gets older
>in a few centuries
"You do learn a thing or two when you've been in the circle for as long as I have."
While we're waiting patiently for other players,....
Maneuvers readied:
Cloak of Deception
Diamond Defense
Time Stands Still
Shadow Stride
Distracting Ember
Tornado Throw
Swooping Dragon Strike
Dancing Mongoose
Maneuvers readied:
Cloak of Deception
Diamond Defense
Time Stands Still
Shadow Stride
Distracting Ember
Tornado Throw
Swooping Dragon Strike
Dancing Mongoose
>>112896
I kinda knew this was going to be tough from the start. I am awake but that is by pure chance.
These sessions start from 3-4 a.m. and I have a hard time imagine myself being awake for them because of this.
I don't think I will participate in this session. I have things to do.
I apologize.
I kinda knew this was going to be tough from the start. I am awake but that is by pure chance.
These sessions start from 3-4 a.m. and I have a hard time imagine myself being awake for them because of this.
I don't think I will participate in this session. I have things to do.
I apologize.
>>112914
"And you..." Siter Ash says her amethyst eyes glowing slightly as she peers at Topaz
(she's has permanent Detect Psionics, but can't psicraft)
".. Your power.. Is something I haven't seen very many times before.. It has an aura similar to that of a farspawn, although not nearly as sinister..." She says
"And you..." Siter Ash says her amethyst eyes glowing slightly as she peers at Topaz
(she's has permanent Detect Psionics, but can't psicraft)
".. Your power.. Is something I haven't seen very many times before.. It has an aura similar to that of a farspawn, although not nearly as sinister..." She says
Since meta in advance of the game seems unavoidable, Cowe is outside her tent training/practicing stances and strikes
>>112915
Well, there's only 9 disciplines (sadly; i wish there were a sequel). There's not that many to remember.
Well, there's only 9 disciplines (sadly; i wish there were a sequel). There's not that many to remember.
>>112919
>guess
Not really. There are a lot of different ways to build a swordsage. You seem t be fond of the Swift-action attacks that give you extra actions though.
You can also use maneuvers from other schools if you use martial scripts, iirc.
>guess
Not really. There are a lot of different ways to build a swordsage. You seem t be fond of the Swift-action attacks that give you extra actions though.
You can also use maneuvers from other schools if you use martial scripts, iirc.
>>112922
>haven't seen many others
Sister Ash seems confused by this
"You say that.."
She gestures to the sea of poners behind her
"But you're surrounded by more than I've ever seen before. It's more power in one place than an illithid cult.."
>>112923
Wel, if you have the Martial Study or Martial Stance feat you might be able to learn a couple outside your lass. Martial study is only 1/encounter though.
Martial Scripts can be used by anyone literate, iirc. Idk if they're reusable. I think they're like scrolls for initiators.
Thre also the option to dip single level in Crusader or Warblade, and you have access to a lot of their maneuvers at this level.
>haven't seen many others
Sister Ash seems confused by this
"You say that.."
She gestures to the sea of poners behind her
"But you're surrounded by more than I've ever seen before. It's more power in one place than an illithid cult.."
>>112923
Wel, if you have the Martial Study or Martial Stance feat you might be able to learn a couple outside your lass. Martial study is only 1/encounter though.
Martial Scripts can be used by anyone literate, iirc. Idk if they're reusable. I think they're like scrolls for initiators.
Thre also the option to dip single level in Crusader or Warblade, and you have access to a lot of their maneuvers at this level.
>>112927
Eh, you don't have to. I still haven't put together a character sheet.
Let's say that when I do I will return and then we can talk about a better schedule but about this time would be fine by me since i pretty much wake up around this time everyday anyway.
Eh, you don't have to. I still haven't put together a character sheet.
Let's say that when I do I will return and then we can talk about a better schedule but about this time would be fine by me since i pretty much wake up around this time everyday anyway.
I'll be partly lurking.
>>112930
Healy pegasus has been kind of in-and-out...
Technically, I could teleport her without her consent...
Sister tilts her head
"... They just, suddenly appeared, you say?"
>thrallherd logic. You get all your believers in 24 hours, at the same time.
Healy pegasus has been kind of in-and-out...
Technically, I could teleport her without her consent...
Sister tilts her head
"... They just, suddenly appeared, you say?"
>thrallherd logic. You get all your believers in 24 hours, at the same time.
>>112933
Topaz chuckles.
"Oh no, they did not suddenly appear all at once. It was more of a slow trickle of helpful ponis. I meant when they filled the streets at the Hub. Like Phospy and Diamond."
The two mentioned both nod.
Topaz chuckles.
"Oh no, they did not suddenly appear all at once. It was more of a slow trickle of helpful ponis. I meant when they filled the streets at the Hub. Like Phospy and Diamond."
The two mentioned both nod.
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>>112934
*head tilting intensifies*
"Interesting..." the Sister murmurs, her tone betraying a slight confusion
*head tilting intensifies*
"Interesting..." the Sister murmurs, her tone betraying a slight confusion
>>112920
After a sufficiently rigorous practice, Sonata dispels the tent and rolls up her 'blanket', placing it on her shoulders. En route to the town proper, she kicks at Candy.
"Oi".
After a sufficiently rigorous practice, Sonata dispels the tent and rolls up her 'blanket', placing it on her shoulders. En route to the town proper, she kicks at Candy.
"Oi".
>>112935
Diamond only tilts his head in response while Topaz nods.
"Yeah. I admit it was quite the surprise when they started coming, but they turned out to be quite the dilligent, stubborn and hardworking ponies, so I can't simply shoo them away after they keep offering."
She lightly brushes along her mane braids.
"They are quite the skilled ones."
Diamond only tilts his head in response while Topaz nods.
"Yeah. I admit it was quite the surprise when they started coming, but they turned out to be quite the dilligent, stubborn and hardworking ponies, so I can't simply shoo them away after they keep offering."
She lightly brushes along her mane braids.
"They are quite the skilled ones."
Are we all ready?
Alright then. Sister Ash start chanting rapidly in Druidic and a thick fog encompasses the party dropping visibility to zero.
Then they vanish.
https://dndtools.net/spells/stormwrack--87/stormwalk--3337/
They'll arrive in the dragonlands in 10 minutes.In the time it takes them to get there, a storm brews.
This can potentially signal their arrival.
Alright then. Sister Ash start chanting rapidly in Druidic and a thick fog encompasses the party dropping visibility to zero.
Then they vanish.
https://dndtools.net/spells/stormwrack--87/stormwalk--3337/
They'll arrive in the dragonlands in 10 minutes.In the time it takes them to get there, a storm brews.
This can potentially signal their arrival.
>>112944
Woah there. A little warning, please.
Topaz jumps a little, wrapping her forelegs around Diamond's neck while Phospy pouts before turning away in jealousy as they go.
Woah there. A little warning, please.
Topaz jumps a little, wrapping her forelegs around Diamond's neck while Phospy pouts before turning away in jealousy as they go.
>>112945
Sonata extends a hoof to help Candy to her feet. "We should convene with the others. I trust some of them are hasty to depart"
Sonata extends a hoof to help Candy to her feet. "We should convene with the others. I trust some of them are hasty to depart"
>>112950
Arriving at Ashe's location, Cowe opens. "Good morning. Have we all made sufficient preparations?"
Arriving at Ashe's location, Cowe opens. "Good morning. Have we all made sufficient preparations?"
In addition to Cowe's previous accoutrements, she is also wearing a white-scale breastplate that was absent previously, as well as a pair of bracers.
Sister Ash repeats this step for everyone else in the party, and then herself.
>>112961
Diamond is, of course, is unaffected.
Phospy simply blinks in confusion.
Topaz is startled, hugging Diamond's neck tightly.
Diamond is, of course, is unaffected.
Phospy simply blinks in confusion.
Topaz is startled, hugging Diamond's neck tightly.
>>112969
Hmph, Ash gracefully boops her own snoot rather than punching herself in the face.
It feels nice.
Hmph, Ash gracefully boops her own snoot rather than punching herself in the face.
It feels nice.
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Okay. The party is teleported. A storm will brw in the dragonlands for 10 minutes until they get there.
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>>112985
It's not that she lacks those feelings entirely, it's just that they no longer distract her.
It's part of why I thought the Dragonborn template went so well with the Ascetic gig.
She has access to spells that could restore it, but she's had no reason to use them.
It's not that she lacks those feelings entirely, it's just that they no longer distract her.
It's part of why I thought the Dragonborn template went so well with the Ascetic gig.
She has access to spells that could restore it, but she's had no reason to use them.
Yeah, so,... are we doing anything, cuz I'm running out of steam
Are we going to get to combat tonight? I might be busy this weekend.
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[teleportation noises]
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>>112994
I'd wager he is, but getting sleepy or otherwise tired in general.
I assume the moment he posts about the place, which I assume will have a decent amount of text, he'll announce the end of the session for today.
I'd wager he is, but getting sleepy or otherwise tired in general.
I assume the moment he posts about the place, which I assume will have a decent amount of text, he'll announce the end of the session for today.
>>112995
It's a shame we didn't get to do anything this session, but I guess it can't be helped.
Next time let's try to streamline the fast travel a bit. I only burnt a 6th level spell slot for this because I figured using Wildshape SLAs to individually teleport each party member would somehow take longer.
It's a shame we didn't get to do anything this session, but I guess it can't be helped.
Next time let's try to streamline the fast travel a bit. I only burnt a 6th level spell slot for this because I figured using Wildshape SLAs to individually teleport each party member would somehow take longer.
'Night faggots
Storm Walk isn't the best teleportation spell, but it gets a party from point A to point B. Druids don't have very many Teleportation spells. I get Master Earth and Transport Via Plants, but I can't bring the party with those.
I prepared Perinarch in case we get any more rifts to Chaos. I couldn't beat Discord with an opposed check to control Limbo, but with Perinarch I can at least create a small bubble of total control.
Gate Seal too. Didn't use it yesterday, but I think it'll come in handy.
Gate Seal too. Didn't use it yesterday, but I think it'll come in handy.
>>113003
Possibly, but the moment he finishes, I feel like he's going to end the session for today, specially after one of the players hopped out for the day.
Possibly, but the moment he finishes, I feel like he's going to end the session for today, specially after one of the players hopped out for the day.
For the record. Teleport is only labeled as a "Personal and Touch" range spell because you cannot teleport a touched target without also teleporting yourself (unless you speak the targets personal Truename, but that's complicated). This is meant to prevent casters from using Teleport as an SoL spell by teleporting targets away and/or teleporting them into hazardous places.
Teleport is in fact a personal range spell, with the addition of being able to teleport an additional target as a touch range effect.
Teleport is in fact a personal range spell, with the addition of being able to teleport an additional target as a touch range effect.
>>113012
For the record, you're wrong. Nice try though. You keep trying to use random examples to contest the point, and yet the point is clearly made. Personal means a spell you can use on your character, touch is or spells you use on others.
Yes, in the case of Teleport, you can teleport others in addition, but teleport is initially and overwhelmingly a Personal spell.
For the record, you're wrong. Nice try though. You keep trying to use random examples to contest the point, and yet the point is clearly made. Personal means a spell you can use on your character, touch is or spells you use on others.
Yes, in the case of Teleport, you can teleport others in addition, but teleport is initially and overwhelmingly a Personal spell.
*for
>>113013
No, personal is a spell that you can only use on yourself. Touch spells affect any touched creature, not excluding yourself. A touch spell can reach any creature in touch range, and that includes yourself 99% of the time (unless you're using Project Image).
There are so, so many touch spells that would be next to useless if you couldn't touch yourself. Would anyone ever want to cast Sanctuary at low levels if you couldn't touch yourself with it? Do you think a Cleric shouldn't be able to cast Cure light wounds on himself when he's at 1 HP? Do you think that Stormwalk was written with the intention of teleporting everyone but the caster?
I couldn't find canonical examples of characters using touch range spells on themselves too, if that's really what you want.
No, personal is a spell that you can only use on yourself. Touch spells affect any touched creature, not excluding yourself. A touch spell can reach any creature in touch range, and that includes yourself 99% of the time (unless you're using Project Image).
There are so, so many touch spells that would be next to useless if you couldn't touch yourself. Would anyone ever want to cast Sanctuary at low levels if you couldn't touch yourself with it? Do you think a Cleric shouldn't be able to cast Cure light wounds on himself when he's at 1 HP? Do you think that Stormwalk was written with the intention of teleporting everyone but the caster?
I couldn't find canonical examples of characters using touch range spells on themselves too, if that's really what you want.
>>113015
>Personal is a spell that you can only use on yourself
Yes, exactly. Spells that you can use on yourself and others have the "Personal and Touch" or some other variant in their range descriptor. The fact is, as it is literally worded, you've yet to provide a canon justification outside of rhetoric.
>Personal is a spell that you can only use on yourself
Yes, exactly. Spells that you can use on yourself and others have the "Personal and Touch" or some other variant in their range descriptor. The fact is, as it is literally worded, you've yet to provide a canon justification outside of rhetoric.
In addition, GM already ruled on the matter
>>113016
What about Sanctuary? The spell's short hand description says:
>"Opponents can’t attack you, and you can’t attack."
Sanctuary is a personal range Abjuration spell with a range of Touch. It's a touch range spell, but it's also implied that a Cleric can use it on himself.
What about Sanctuary? The spell's short hand description says:
>"Opponents can’t attack you, and you can’t attack."
Sanctuary is a personal range Abjuration spell with a range of Touch. It's a touch range spell, but it's also implied that a Cleric can use it on himself.
>>113018
>Sanctuary
Abjuration
Level: Clr 1, Protection 1
Components: V, S, DF
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: Creature Touched
Duration: 1 round/level
Saving Throw: Will negates
Spell Resistance: No
Any opponent attempting to strike or otherwise directly attack the warded creature, even with a targeted spell, must attempt a Will save. If the save succeeds, the opponent can attack normally and is unaffected by that casting of the spell. If the save failes, the opponent can't follow through with the attack, that part of its action is lost, and it can't directly attack the warded creature for the duration of the spell. Those not attempting to attack the subject remain unaffected. This spell does not prevent the warded creature from being attacked or affected by area or effect spells. The subject cannot attack without breaking the spell but may use nonattack spells or otherwise act. This allows a warded cleric to heal wounds, for example, or to cast a bless spell, perform an augury, summon creatures, and so on.
Its NOT personal range, its TOUCH range, but its your rhetorical interpretation that vis a vis a cleric can use it on themselves.
>Sanctuary
Abjuration
Level: Clr 1, Protection 1
Components: V, S, DF
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: Creature Touched
Duration: 1 round/level
Saving Throw: Will negates
Spell Resistance: No
Any opponent attempting to strike or otherwise directly attack the warded creature, even with a targeted spell, must attempt a Will save. If the save succeeds, the opponent can attack normally and is unaffected by that casting of the spell. If the save failes, the opponent can't follow through with the attack, that part of its action is lost, and it can't directly attack the warded creature for the duration of the spell. Those not attempting to attack the subject remain unaffected. This spell does not prevent the warded creature from being attacked or affected by area or effect spells. The subject cannot attack without breaking the spell but may use nonattack spells or otherwise act. This allows a warded cleric to heal wounds, for example, or to cast a bless spell, perform an augury, summon creatures, and so on.
Its NOT personal range, its TOUCH range, but its your rhetorical interpretation that vis a vis a cleric can use it on themselves.
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Or, now hear me out, he can touch himself, but any bonus with a finite duration does not increase the number of spells per day an affected creature has
>>113019
Oh come on, even you've played Clerics who used Sanctuary on themselves.
It even says "a warded Cleric" in the description, and only Clerics got the spell when Sanctuary was Printed.
Oh come on, even you've played Clerics who used Sanctuary on themselves.
It even says "a warded Cleric" in the description, and only Clerics got the spell when Sanctuary was Printed.
>>113022
Oh please. As if that line was meant to exemplify a party with two freaking Clerics.
You have played a Cleric. I know you have, both of them used Sanctuary on themselves. One was a unicorn, the other was an elf.
Another example is a Demilich. A demilich gets harm as an at-will SLA. In it's description, it says it uses Harm usually to heal itself. Harm is a touch-range at-will necromancy spell. That is right there an example of a creature using a touch-range spell on itself.
Oh please. As if that line was meant to exemplify a party with two freaking Clerics.
You have played a Cleric. I know you have, both of them used Sanctuary on themselves. One was a unicorn, the other was an elf.
Another example is a Demilich. A demilich gets harm as an at-will SLA. In it's description, it says it uses Harm usually to heal itself. Harm is a touch-range at-will necromancy spell. That is right there an example of a creature using a touch-range spell on itself.
>>113023
>a cleric and a unicorn
You're clearly mistaking me for someone else
"Yeah, he's never played a cleric dude"
>a cleric and a unicorn
You're clearly mistaking me for someone else
"Yeah, he's never played a cleric dude"
>>113024
Oh come on. I remember distinctly when a certain rogue attempted to attack a certain NPC unicorn Cleric, only to have her knife slip right through (with no saving throw) because said Cleric had warded itself with Sanctuary. I also remember the time when another Healbot schizophrenic elf had used Sanctuary on itself because it wasn't allowed to participate in the melee.
You're just being anal about this. It's really starting to piss me off now.
This is common sense RAI, and unquestionable RAW. The description for touch says nothing about not touching yourself, at all. Touch range spells are spells that can be cast on creatures within touching range. A spellcaster, even the one casting the spell, is a creature in range.
Do you really think that Clerics can't use Cure Light wounds on themselves because the range is touch? Video game adaptations let paladins and clerics use all their healing tools on themselves. Clerics have healed themselves in D&D CRPGs going back to Pool Of Radiance.
Then there's just about every low-level spell you see on the list of typical potions (potions have to be touch range spells), like Darkvision, Jump, Mage Armor, Endure Elements, Spider climb, etc. Do you really think that one of those spells effect the caster?
The Description for Permanency says that Darkvision (touch Range) is one of the few spells that can be made permanent on a creature. Not only does it say that it can be made permanent, but that the caster can only make it permanent on himself; so it'd be absurd for them to say that if the caster couldn't first cast darkvision on himself as a touch range spell.
Then there's mage armor: a touch range creation spell that gives an armor bonus to AC equivalent to a chainshirt, that does not stack with actual armor. If a spellcaster couldn't cast Mage Armor on himself, what good would the spell be? It's not useful for creatures already proficient in light armor. It'd certainly make being an Abjurant Champion suck if they couldn't use Mage Armor on themselves.
Do you think that Paladins get Resist Energy (touch) to only protect other party members from dragonfire, instead of using it on themselves to tank the attack? Do you think that they get Eagle's Splendor to increase another party member's Charisma, instead of using it to buff their own Charisma-based class features?
How is a Druid supposed to melee damage a creature with X/magic DR if he can't cast Magic Fang (yet another touch range spell) on himself?
Do you think that Assassins get Jump, Spider climb, Nondetection, or Pass Without A Trace for the sake of using said spells on anyone but themselves?
If you're going to bitch about what my character does, at least get it right. It's quite frankly none of your business. If you think this is okay, why don't you show me your character sheet so I can point out any of the questionable rule interpretations there?
Oh come on. I remember distinctly when a certain rogue attempted to attack a certain NPC unicorn Cleric, only to have her knife slip right through (with no saving throw) because said Cleric had warded itself with Sanctuary. I also remember the time when another Healbot schizophrenic elf had used Sanctuary on itself because it wasn't allowed to participate in the melee.
You're just being anal about this. It's really starting to piss me off now.
This is common sense RAI, and unquestionable RAW. The description for touch says nothing about not touching yourself, at all. Touch range spells are spells that can be cast on creatures within touching range. A spellcaster, even the one casting the spell, is a creature in range.
Do you really think that Clerics can't use Cure Light wounds on themselves because the range is touch? Video game adaptations let paladins and clerics use all their healing tools on themselves. Clerics have healed themselves in D&D CRPGs going back to Pool Of Radiance.
Then there's just about every low-level spell you see on the list of typical potions (potions have to be touch range spells), like Darkvision, Jump, Mage Armor, Endure Elements, Spider climb, etc. Do you really think that one of those spells effect the caster?
The Description for Permanency says that Darkvision (touch Range) is one of the few spells that can be made permanent on a creature. Not only does it say that it can be made permanent, but that the caster can only make it permanent on himself; so it'd be absurd for them to say that if the caster couldn't first cast darkvision on himself as a touch range spell.
Then there's mage armor: a touch range creation spell that gives an armor bonus to AC equivalent to a chainshirt, that does not stack with actual armor. If a spellcaster couldn't cast Mage Armor on himself, what good would the spell be? It's not useful for creatures already proficient in light armor. It'd certainly make being an Abjurant Champion suck if they couldn't use Mage Armor on themselves.
Do you think that Paladins get Resist Energy (touch) to only protect other party members from dragonfire, instead of using it on themselves to tank the attack? Do you think that they get Eagle's Splendor to increase another party member's Charisma, instead of using it to buff their own Charisma-based class features?
How is a Druid supposed to melee damage a creature with X/magic DR if he can't cast Magic Fang (yet another touch range spell) on himself?
Do you think that Assassins get Jump, Spider climb, Nondetection, or Pass Without A Trace for the sake of using said spells on anyone but themselves?
If you're going to bitch about what my character does, at least get it right. It's quite frankly none of your business. If you think this is okay, why don't you show me your character sheet so I can point out any of the questionable rule interpretations there?
>>113026
>unicorn
Oh, you mean the game where I expressedly bastardized half the rules, openly and flagrantly?
>elf
Oh, you mean the character that was thrust on me against my better judgement?
yawn
>unicorn
Oh, you mean the game where I expressedly bastardized half the rules, openly and flagrantly?
>elf
Oh, you mean the character that was thrust on me against my better judgement?
yawn
>>113034
I'm done arguing about this. I cited plenty of relavant examples, and I don't think you'd be convinced either way.
Pardon me for ending with a bad faith argument, but I really don't believe you even think touch range spells work that way.
If you think stacking Persist with Extend for a 1 hour buff spell for the sake of preparing more spells was too cheesy, that's one thing, but don't bullshit me with absurd interpretations of spell range.
I'm done arguing about this. I cited plenty of relavant examples, and I don't think you'd be convinced either way.
Pardon me for ending with a bad faith argument, but I really don't believe you even think touch range spells work that way.
If you think stacking Persist with Extend for a 1 hour buff spell for the sake of preparing more spells was too cheesy, that's one thing, but don't bullshit me with absurd interpretations of spell range.
>>113036
Indeed, the permanency/darkvision argument is reasonable and sound. The text of permanency makes clear that with the initial spell (darkvision) you have to cast it on yourself immediately prior to casting permanency on yourself.
The implication is that while there are no other overt references that contest the written word of range spells, that the individuals who compiled the core rules intended it to be that way.
But that's all a moot point now for two reasons. The first is that GM already told him no, and the second is that,... well you'll hear soon enough.
Don't kid yourself into thinking this is an isolated issue though.
Indeed, the permanency/darkvision argument is reasonable and sound. The text of permanency makes clear that with the initial spell (darkvision) you have to cast it on yourself immediately prior to casting permanency on yourself.
The implication is that while there are no other overt references that contest the written word of range spells, that the individuals who compiled the core rules intended it to be that way.
But that's all a moot point now for two reasons. The first is that GM already told him no, and the second is that,... well you'll hear soon enough.
Don't kid yourself into thinking this is an isolated issue though.
>>113039
>GM already told him no
Do you have the post to confirm it?
What about the other examples presented like Cure X Wounds?
I feel it's not, but sounds more like interpretations more than absolute truth from either party in this situation.
>GM already told him no
Do you have the post to confirm it?
What about the other examples presented like Cure X Wounds?
I feel it's not, but sounds more like interpretations more than absolute truth from either party in this situation.
>>113039
You know, I'm fine with whatever the DM says, but when you make an incorrect assertion that supposedly applies to all touch range spells and abilities, I'm going to speak up about it.
Can I please just ask that you just mind your own character? It's really not your call to make.
You know, I'm fine with whatever the DM says, but when you make an incorrect assertion that supposedly applies to all touch range spells and abilities, I'm going to speak up about it.
Can I please just ask that you just mind your own character? It's really not your call to make.
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>>113105
You do want your character stop Discord, right? Or do you want to fail intentionally and make the cowe sad and bitter?
You do want your character stop Discord, right? Or do you want to fail intentionally and make the cowe sad and bitter?
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>>113108
Ninja Cowe didn't seem like a bitter individual to me, but I don't really know very much about her yet. She's rather cryptic.
Ninja Cowe didn't seem like a bitter individual to me, but I don't really know very much about her yet. She's rather cryptic.
>>113109
>>113110
This is why I said OOC, you're a team, too.
Let Ash talk it out to the GM.
Because for all intents and purposes, he's the one with the authority to accept or reject any PCs actions, since he's the God of this world.
>>113112
I honestly don't care about individuals' personalities or emotions in this instance. This dumb stuff needs to be stopped at the roots, because this only increases tensions between players in the long run.
>>113110
This is why I said OOC, you're a team, too.
Let Ash talk it out to the GM.
Because for all intents and purposes, he's the one with the authority to accept or reject any PCs actions, since he's the God of this world.
>>113112
I honestly don't care about individuals' personalities or emotions in this instance. This dumb stuff needs to be stopped at the roots, because this only increases tensions between players in the long run.
>>113112
Ninja cowe is dealing with a bunch of ponies she's never met before, doesn't know that she can trust, against a foe beyond her current comprehension.
Oh sure, she can bust some crazy moves and damage, but getting Thanos-snapped into a sunscreen bottle is outside her area of expertise. And no, she's not an extrovert when it comes to expressing herself.
Ninja cowe is dealing with a bunch of ponies she's never met before, doesn't know that she can trust, against a foe beyond her current comprehension.
Oh sure, she can bust some crazy moves and damage, but getting Thanos-snapped into a sunscreen bottle is outside her area of expertise. And no, she's not an extrovert when it comes to expressing herself.
>>113116
She does know the kirin dragonborn, and the unicorn-dragon-earth poner trio do want to stop Discord. Why would she distrust those ones after being placed in the same situation as her?
She does know the kirin dragonborn, and the unicorn-dragon-earth poner trio do want to stop Discord. Why would she distrust those ones after being placed in the same situation as her?
>>113119
At this point, she doesn't know anything. She knows that the Kirin has amazing powers, but Discord had amazing powers.
At this point, she doesn't know anything. She knows that the Kirin has amazing powers, but Discord had amazing powers.
>>113123
Oh. She's disheartened over the foe before her.
But she did witness Discord's entire arm being disintegrated as if an actual Thanos-snap deleted it.
She should therefore know that they are the key to restoring balance/order/harmony to the land and not all hope is lost.
Oh. She's disheartened over the foe before her.
But she did witness Discord's entire arm being disintegrated as if an actual Thanos-snap deleted it.
She should therefore know that they are the key to restoring balance/order/harmony to the land and not all hope is lost.
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>>113109
Increasing Ability stats with spells at epic level isn't hard at all. I can get a +32 untyped bonus to Strength with Giant Size as a personal Domain spell, and an additional +12 enhancement bonus to Strength With Bite Of The Weretiger, to myself or to a party member. If you add that to a Legendary Bear Or Spinosaurus's 36 racial Strength score, you're looking at 80 Strength right there, 85 after the +5 inherent bonus. A Garngroth has 46 racial strength, so that can get up to 95. If I can think of any 8th or lower Cleric spell that gives a Sacred bonus to strength, it could possibly be 100+, if the need arose for such a mega-hyper-overkill boost to raw strength. I could persist all of those spells right now with the Tome Dragon's Free metamagic, but that'd feel unnecessarily abusive...
And with an epic spell using the Fortify seed, there's no upper limit to how much i could increase my stats with enough mitigation. A permanent +30 Enhancement bonus to Wisdom is technically within my reach, but it's not like my character has time to develop such spells to increase her personal power when she's busy playing whack-a-mole with chocolate clouds. Also, that'd be simply too cheesy, and I know Epic Spellcasting is ludicrously broken so I'm a bit wary of pushing it's boundaries (which is why I haven't developed my own spell yet...).
I even prepared Extended Owl's Insight again today even though it'll last 48 hours for me, in case another party member needed a buff. I prepared Bite Of the weretiger too, even though my Shapechanging abilities don't leave me wishing for anymore strength.
>>113116
>>113123
Does Cowe wish to join the legendary battle? Cowe could succeed if she made some good friends that could buff her up to Hercules level strength.
>>113119
And the kirin is very, very convicted in her plight to get rid of the jackass who's been making the bubblegum clouds rain chocolate.
Increasing Ability stats with spells at epic level isn't hard at all. I can get a +32 untyped bonus to Strength with Giant Size as a personal Domain spell, and an additional +12 enhancement bonus to Strength With Bite Of The Weretiger, to myself or to a party member. If you add that to a Legendary Bear Or Spinosaurus's 36 racial Strength score, you're looking at 80 Strength right there, 85 after the +5 inherent bonus. A Garngroth has 46 racial strength, so that can get up to 95. If I can think of any 8th or lower Cleric spell that gives a Sacred bonus to strength, it could possibly be 100+, if the need arose for such a mega-hyper-overkill boost to raw strength. I could persist all of those spells right now with the Tome Dragon's Free metamagic, but that'd feel unnecessarily abusive...
And with an epic spell using the Fortify seed, there's no upper limit to how much i could increase my stats with enough mitigation. A permanent +30 Enhancement bonus to Wisdom is technically within my reach, but it's not like my character has time to develop such spells to increase her personal power when she's busy playing whack-a-mole with chocolate clouds. Also, that'd be simply too cheesy, and I know Epic Spellcasting is ludicrously broken so I'm a bit wary of pushing it's boundaries (which is why I haven't developed my own spell yet...).
I even prepared Extended Owl's Insight again today even though it'll last 48 hours for me, in case another party member needed a buff. I prepared Bite Of the weretiger too, even though my Shapechanging abilities don't leave me wishing for anymore strength.
>>113116
>>113123
Does Cowe wish to join the legendary battle? Cowe could succeed if she made some good friends that could buff her up to Hercules level strength.
>>113119
And the kirin is very, very convicted in her plight to get rid of the jackass who's been making the bubblegum clouds rain chocolate.
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I need an opinion.
Which mane color looks better?
Which mane color looks better?
>>113125
>>113127
That doesn't translate into confidence in her apparent allies
>>113130
She already has herculean strength, thanks to an artifact item GM-approve-stacked with another item. That's not the point. Also, those bonuses don't stack outside GM's approval. And THAT is the crux of my objections.
>85
>95
>fucking 100+
If you think this is how the game mechanics were intended, we're clearly playing different games
>>113127
That doesn't translate into confidence in her apparent allies
>>113130
She already has herculean strength, thanks to an artifact item GM-approve-stacked with another item. That's not the point. Also, those bonuses don't stack outside GM's approval. And THAT is the crux of my objections.
>85
>95
>fucking 100+
If you think this is how the game mechanics were intended, we're clearly playing different games
>>113136
What's the alternative? Fight the chaos deity on her own? Why not take advantage of the bold/stupid ponies who are clearly intent on fighting the discordant element with or without her? One clearly hammered the cultist who summoned her while the other summoned a huge ectoplasmic beast out of nowhere and has both a dragon, an Earth Pony and thousand of followers. It should be enough to at least convince cowe to stick by them.
Although I would get it if she's not so sure about Candy, since she didn't have a chance to show her powers.
What's the alternative? Fight the chaos deity on her own? Why not take advantage of the bold/stupid ponies who are clearly intent on fighting the discordant element with or without her? One clearly hammered the cultist who summoned her while the other summoned a huge ectoplasmic beast out of nowhere and has both a dragon, an Earth Pony and thousand of followers. It should be enough to at least convince cowe to stick by them.
Although I would get it if she's not so sure about Candy, since she didn't have a chance to show her powers.
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>>113136
Nothing in the game works outside of GM approval.
RAW, those bonuses absolutely stack, but it's not like I've actually done it or intend to do it unless the sudden need arose to throw a mountain-sized object into the sun, since it eclipses class niches and that's lame. It was just an example of how bonuses can go really high if buffed by an epic spellcaster. At epic level, literally anything is plausible. An Optimized War Hulk + Hulking Hurler can throw planet sized objects and deal damage that scales by strength. A lvl 25 Necromancer could potentially develop a spell that could channel all of the souls on the planet into one gem and use said souls to grant himself an infinite enhancement bonus to int.
Also, you came into the game with an artifact item as starting equipment and now you're accusing me of questionable conduct? You don't see me complaining.
Nothing in the game works outside of GM approval.
RAW, those bonuses absolutely stack, but it's not like I've actually done it or intend to do it unless the sudden need arose to throw a mountain-sized object into the sun, since it eclipses class niches and that's lame. It was just an example of how bonuses can go really high if buffed by an epic spellcaster. At epic level, literally anything is plausible. An Optimized War Hulk + Hulking Hurler can throw planet sized objects and deal damage that scales by strength. A lvl 25 Necromancer could potentially develop a spell that could channel all of the souls on the planet into one gem and use said souls to grant himself an infinite enhancement bonus to int.
Also, you came into the game with an artifact item as starting equipment and now you're accusing me of questionable conduct? You don't see me complaining.
>>113141
>pinched nipple
Have you forgotten the turtle literally doing a fireworks show by using its 47 spell slots on her?
I ask again. What alternative do you have? You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
>pinched nipple
Have you forgotten the turtle literally doing a fireworks show by using its 47 spell slots on her?
I ask again. What alternative do you have? You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
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>>113144
Spellfire. Quite the interesting power, despite the crappy 3.0 mechanics.
The damage sucks, and I wouldn't normally consider the feat on any other character, but boy is it fancy.
Spellfire. Quite the interesting power, despite the crappy 3.0 mechanics.
The damage sucks, and I wouldn't normally consider the feat on any other character, but boy is it fancy.
And it looks like game night is cancelled... Too bad, I was really hoping to play tonight.
>>113153
Me too.
However, he may appear in a moment's notice. It's too early to call it over for today.
Me too.
However, he may appear in a moment's notice. It's too early to call it over for today.
[meditates in Druidic]
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>>113169
[Insert Draconic translation here]
>"Imma tell Topaz you're bullying me. She'll kick your flank, you overgrown fern!"
[Insert Draconic translation here]
>"Imma tell Topaz you're bullying me. She'll kick your flank, you overgrown fern!"
>>113170
>overgrown fern
Oof...
*Combs mane*
[Insert more Draconic banter here]
>"Lol u gonna run over to your mommy, fence-sitter?" XP
[smug Dragonborn noises]
>overgrown fern
Oof...
*Combs mane*
[Insert more Draconic banter here]
>"Lol u gonna run over to your mommy, fence-sitter?" XP
[smug Dragonborn noises]
>>113171
[claw digging intensifies]
>"S-shut up! You're just jealous I have a caring owner"
*dragon rubbing unsuspecting unicorn in progress.
"You really are quite energetic today, Phospy."
*pat pat*
>"Check mate, insect homestead."
[claw digging intensifies]
>"S-shut up! You're just jealous I have a caring owner"
*dragon rubbing unsuspecting unicorn in progress.
"You really are quite energetic today, Phospy."
*pat pat*
>"Check mate, insect homestead."
>>113172
Oh shit.
Well now I'm jealous.
*sectarian violence escalates*
[Draconic banter of a 750 year old unwed mare]
>"I-I-I.. I don't need that. Jealousy is beneath me. Bahamut be praised."
*Kicks the soil slightly*
Oh shit.
Well now I'm jealous.
*sectarian violence escalates*
[Draconic banter of a 750 year old unwed mare]
>"I-I-I.. I don't need that. Jealousy is beneath me. Bahamut be praised."
*Kicks the soil slightly*
>>113173
[Smug dragon grin intensifies]
"You aren't getting into trouble now, are you, Phospy?"
[Smug dragon grin stops. Commecing sweating and intense shaking of the head.]
"...you're awfully wetter than you usually are. You haven't been messing with the nice kirin, have you?"
[Sweating intensifies]
>"S-she star-"
"None of that, you say sorry right now."
>"B-bu-"
"No buts! Go say sorry!"
*whimper*
>"S-sorry for being not nice, quadruped."
*kicks the soil slightly*
[Smug dragon grin intensifies]
"You aren't getting into trouble now, are you, Phospy?"
[Smug dragon grin stops. Commecing sweating and intense shaking of the head.]
"...you're awfully wetter than you usually are. You haven't been messing with the nice kirin, have you?"
[Sweating intensifies]
>"S-she star-"
"None of that, you say sorry right now."
>"B-bu-"
"No buts! Go say sorry!"
*whimper*
>"S-sorry for being not nice, quadruped."
*kicks the soil slightly*
Best language.
>>113177
"Now hug it out, you two."
>"W-what?! I'm n-"
"Do you want me to repeat myself?"
>"N-no..."
*opens arms for possible kirin hugs*
"Now hug it out, you two."
>"W-what?! I'm n-"
"Do you want me to repeat myself?"
>"N-no..."
*opens arms for possible kirin hugs*
>>113179
[Flustered Dragon noises]
>"D-don't expect it to become normal or anything."
*giggling gem-named unicorn in close vicinity*
[Flustered Dragon noises]
>"D-don't expect it to become normal or anything."
*giggling gem-named unicorn in close vicinity*
>>113186
*steamy exhale*
>"S-stop it! I am a dragon! I am to be feared and respected!"
*Topaz pets neutral-aligned dragon*
>"N-not you too!"
*whimper whimper*
*steamy exhale*
>"S-stop it! I am a dragon! I am to be feared and respected!"
*Topaz pets neutral-aligned dragon*
>"N-not you too!"
*whimper whimper*
>>113190
Giggling newt noises
"Then comes love, then comes marriage then comes another kirin in a baby carriage."
Giggling newt noises
"Then comes love, then comes marriage then comes another kirin in a baby carriage."
*watches newt fly over the horizon*
"Alcoholism.. not even once."
"Alcoholism.. not even once."
I just realized I forgot to specify my 10th level spells.
I guess it'll be Time Duplicate and Crown Of Vermin then.
I guess it'll be Time Duplicate and Crown Of Vermin then.
>>113217
You're technically correct, my good sir.
I am but a humble player in the grand cosmos. What business brought you here, stranger?
You're technically correct, my good sir.
I am but a humble player in the grand cosmos. What business brought you here, stranger?
>>113221
CL 42? I think that's not what you think it means.
I guess I'll roll, sure.
[1d20+26 = 29]
<???
CL 42? I think that's not what you think it means.
I guess I'll roll, sure.
[1d20+26 = 29]
<???
>>113226
Come now player, it hasn’t been THAT long. Or has it? I can never tell
No good will come of this. ~_~
Come now player, it hasn’t been THAT long. Or has it? I can never tell
No good will come of this. ~_~
>>113228
Caster level? Yes it means precisely that
A purplish form with bright pink hai coalesces in the sky.
What? Gm abdicated, so there is nothing preventing me from manifesting.
>>113228
By the way, you are eliminated down to your very essence. I do hope someone in the periphery can wish you back, not that it’s of any concern to me
Caster level? Yes it means precisely that
A purplish form with bright pink hai coalesces in the sky.
What? Gm abdicated, so there is nothing preventing me from manifesting.
>>113228
By the way, you are eliminated down to your very essence. I do hope someone in the periphery can wish you back, not that it’s of any concern to me
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>>113239
>No GM
Well I guess I'll just stop time, planeshift into the Astral plane, use Shapechange and Time Duplicate to use a Sarrukh's Manipulate Form on myself, make it a free action, and grant myself every ability of every monster and every class, become immune to every possible attack, and gain infinitely high stats in every category.
>No GM
Well I guess I'll just stop time, planeshift into the Astral plane, use Shapechange and Time Duplicate to use a Sarrukh's Manipulate Form on myself, make it a free action, and grant myself every ability of every monster and every class, become immune to every possible attack, and gain infinitely high stats in every category.
Hm...
This seems a bit forced in my opinion.
I know it can get boring out there, but creating something is better than mere destruction of others' belongings.
>>113243
Kek. Nice move.
This seems a bit forced in my opinion.
I know it can get boring out there, but creating something is better than mere destruction of others' belongings.
>>113243
Kek. Nice move.
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>>113246
Kirin fool, you waste my time!
<whoooof>
Initiate maneuver, Time Stands Still
You’re not gonna make me draw this out are you?
Kirin fool, you waste my time!
<whoooof>
Initiate maneuver, Time Stands Still
You’re not gonna make me draw this out are you?
>>113248
9th level diamond mind Maneuver that gives you a second full round of attacks the turn you initiate it.
Pun Pun can do it too, as a free action, as many times per turn as he pleases.
9th level diamond mind Maneuver that gives you a second full round of attacks the turn you initiate it.
Pun Pun can do it too, as a free action, as many times per turn as he pleases.
>>113252
And what about that random saving throw?
I assume he did it because he was spooked of my character and what it could do.
And what about that random saving throw?
I assume he did it because he was spooked of my character and what it could do.
>>113255
He's just flaunting his OC's character level. That's an SLA with a caster level based on total hit dice.
He's just flaunting his OC's character level. That's an SLA with a caster level based on total hit dice.
>>113248
*Grabs Candy by the scruff*. You and I have unfinished business!
This strange entrant glares at everyone.
This one is mine!
>>113252
Yes, after her round is resolved
<whooof>
Aaaaand she’s gone. As the whisps that we’re her form dissipate, her disembodied voice taunts: Too bad you’re not Pun pun fagit! Ha! Not only did I take what I wanted, but you also revealed your hand! Get gud fgt!
And with that, the crazy bitch Hey! vanishes with Candy in tow. For now.
*Grabs Candy by the scruff*. You and I have unfinished business!
This strange entrant glares at everyone.
This one is mine!
>>113252
Yes, after her round is resolved
<whooof>
Aaaaand she’s gone. As the whisps that we’re her form dissipate, her disembodied voice taunts: Too bad you’re not Pun pun fagit! Ha! Not only did I take what I wanted, but you also revealed your hand! Get gud fgt!
And with that, the crazy bitch Hey! vanishes with Candy in tow. For now.
>>113264
Caster level doesn't matter for Destruction for any purpose other than to overcome spell resistence. It's a Charisma-based Fortitude save DC.
Caster level doesn't matter for Destruction for any purpose other than to overcome spell resistence. It's a Charisma-based Fortitude save DC.
>>113271
I honestly don't know what you were expecting at this point.
You know Ash is the most competent and knowledgable on spells, and you're delving in the most complex area of Epic Level Casting(TM). You're basically screwed even if you wield an OC with immense power, because she knows any and all counters.
I honestly don't know what you were expecting at this point.
You know Ash is the most competent and knowledgable on spells, and you're delving in the most complex area of Epic Level Casting(TM). You're basically screwed even if you wield an OC with immense power, because she knows any and all counters.
>>113273
It’s so sad that you think that. Oh well, ignorance is bliss after all. She got what she came for you will still need a resurrection btw
It’s so sad that you think that. Oh well, ignorance is bliss after all. She got what she came for you will still need a resurrection btw
>>113273
Nah, he knows what he's talking about. It's just some late-night shitposting.
It's not really a contest anyway. Becoming Pun Pun was just a joke about "the DM abdicated". A lvl 4 character can become omnipotent in one round if you abuse infinite loops.
The only creature that can theoretically beat Pun Pun is the Omnificer: a lvl 4 elf Artificer that threw himself off a cliff with Masocism and Favor Of The Martyr to sustain an infinite damage loop and instantly grant himself infinite stats. And even so, the way he beats Pun Pun isn't even clear. It's just evident that the lvl 4 omninipotent onicient character being slightly more impressive than the lvl 5 one.
>>113278
*Wishes everything back to normal*
Nah, he knows what he's talking about. It's just some late-night shitposting.
It's not really a contest anyway. Becoming Pun Pun was just a joke about "the DM abdicated". A lvl 4 character can become omnipotent in one round if you abuse infinite loops.
The only creature that can theoretically beat Pun Pun is the Omnificer: a lvl 4 elf Artificer that threw himself off a cliff with Masocism and Favor Of The Martyr to sustain an infinite damage loop and instantly grant himself infinite stats. And even so, the way he beats Pun Pun isn't even clear. It's just evident that the lvl 4 omninipotent onicient character being slightly more impressive than the lvl 5 one.
>>113278
*Wishes everything back to normal*
>>113280
Oh to be so naive
Oh to be so naive
>>113285
That it does.. I only know it's shitposting because I have a tiny bit of context.
It seems as though Anon let his Tulpa out of the box again.
That it does.. I only know it's shitposting because I have a tiny bit of context.
It seems as though Anon let his Tulpa out of the box again.
>>113289
I did read my share of Tulpa stories, but they usually turn comical or are otherwise LARPers with extra steps.
I must admit, it's quite the boring one overall.
I did read my share of Tulpa stories, but they usually turn comical or are otherwise LARPers with extra steps.
I must admit, it's quite the boring one overall.
>>113290
Idk what to say right now.
It's almost 3 AM where I am and my brain has almost completely turned to mush now so that I can't really formulate a rational response to any of this autism.
I'm going to try to force myself to sleep. I'm only still up because I pumped a bunch of different energy stimulents with the anticipation of playing games all night.
Goodnight, Anons.
Idk what to say right now.
It's almost 3 AM where I am and my brain has almost completely turned to mush now so that I can't really formulate a rational response to any of this autism.
I'm going to try to force myself to sleep. I'm only still up because I pumped a bunch of different energy stimulents with the anticipation of playing games all night.
Goodnight, Anons.
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I guess, I will throw in my interpretation of what he meant.
I think our Cowe player meant that his character had some minor reservations to join the party in its fight against Discord just as my character has. I think his real problem, however, is that he doesn't like that Ash is over powered and that is what his main point is.
Let me just say that, Ash is actually my favorite chracter in the party, personality-wise. I guess, it is because she values things I value, like: Religion, higher ideals, dedication, children, and nature. So obviously, I like her, however.
She is a Mary Sue. Maybe this is a consequnence of playing on such a high level but Ash has no weakness she hasn't covered. She can only be overpowered (Discord) not outmanuvered (Example: The GM expoits her weaknesses in an encounter). I can point to several examples on why I think this throughout this thread but I will just use the fact that she could teleport the elements of harmony to her. Ending the campagin before it really began.
>>113144
>You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
Yes, that is true but the reverse question is more intresting. Would Ash be able to finish this campagin solo by herself? Yes, I can totally see that happening.
So, like I am a newbie so I can't tell you which ones' interpretation of the rules is right when it comes to touch and personel teleportation. I thought the arguments against teleportation through touching yourself were stronger but I am in no position to know so I won't touch on it. My opinion doesn't matter. However, I don't think that's the main issue here.
It is the ridiculous flexibility of Ash's powers. I would have said that they cheapen the story's tension if we weren't fighting against Discord himself. Now, the only problem I see with it is also proabably the problem the Cowe player sees. Because of the wide range of powers Ash posses there is nothing Cowe has that she could add to the team, no specialization that Ash doesn't already have. Ash is probably better than Cowe in everyway. Ash has made Cowe extranous to the adventure and therefore there is no intrest for that player to play the game.
To a degree this is okay with me because I am fine with playing a side chracter while someone else plays the main character but I can see why some others would have a problem with it and in this case, I might be projecting from my limited understanding of the game, it seems my character would add nothing to the progression of the plot.
Okay, this might be a bit cunty and passive agressive but I think this vid is basically what I mean, I think. Not everything applies to the this situation, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHCGiqrblqg
I think our Cowe player meant that his character had some minor reservations to join the party in its fight against Discord just as my character has. I think his real problem, however, is that he doesn't like that Ash is over powered and that is what his main point is.
Let me just say that, Ash is actually my favorite chracter in the party, personality-wise. I guess, it is because she values things I value, like: Religion, higher ideals, dedication, children, and nature. So obviously, I like her, however.
She is a Mary Sue. Maybe this is a consequnence of playing on such a high level but Ash has no weakness she hasn't covered. She can only be overpowered (Discord) not outmanuvered (Example: The GM expoits her weaknesses in an encounter). I can point to several examples on why I think this throughout this thread but I will just use the fact that she could teleport the elements of harmony to her. Ending the campagin before it really began.
>>113144
>You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
Yes, that is true but the reverse question is more intresting. Would Ash be able to finish this campagin solo by herself? Yes, I can totally see that happening.
So, like I am a newbie so I can't tell you which ones' interpretation of the rules is right when it comes to touch and personel teleportation. I thought the arguments against teleportation through touching yourself were stronger but I am in no position to know so I won't touch on it. My opinion doesn't matter. However, I don't think that's the main issue here.
It is the ridiculous flexibility of Ash's powers. I would have said that they cheapen the story's tension if we weren't fighting against Discord himself. Now, the only problem I see with it is also proabably the problem the Cowe player sees. Because of the wide range of powers Ash posses there is nothing Cowe has that she could add to the team, no specialization that Ash doesn't already have. Ash is probably better than Cowe in everyway. Ash has made Cowe extranous to the adventure and therefore there is no intrest for that player to play the game.
To a degree this is okay with me because I am fine with playing a side chracter while someone else plays the main character but I can see why some others would have a problem with it and in this case, I might be projecting from my limited understanding of the game, it seems my character would add nothing to the progression of the plot.
Okay, this might be a bit cunty and passive agressive but I think this vid is basically what I mean, I think. Not everything applies to the this situation, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHCGiqrblqg
>>113296
I guess the counter-argument for this is that this is an epic level campagin so obviously your character can do everything. This is kinda the reason I am thinking about quit playing this campagin because playing such a powerful chracter does not intrest me.
I guess the counter-argument for this is that this is an epic level campagin so obviously your character can do everything. This is kinda the reason I am thinking about quit playing this campagin because playing such a powerful chracter does not intrest me.
>>113296
No, that pretty much sums it up for me. Here's a snippet of a Discord conversation between me (Cowe) and Ash's player, that in his own words illustrates my frustration.
C: "Oh? How many times did your character get age bonuses?"
A: "Twice."
For reference characters gain stats as they age - specifically Intelligence and Wisdom - in exchange for a loss of Str, Dex, and Con,... unless they reverse age themselves, then they get to keep the bonuses but recoup the losses, which was apparently done twice, a flagrant sploit by any measure.
"And you know what, I'll admit that I really did pump up my PCs capabilities. [...] I replaced her Exalted Feats with Epic feats using the Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle method. I gave her her ability to turn undead, making her CaDzilla. I went ahead and picked the best ways to increase my stats, or at least as far as I could within the limits of Vow Of Poverty (which I considered to be a handicap that favored flavor over power). I took the most powerful PrC available to druids. I built her so that she could potentially kill a deity, because I expected we might have to. Sue me.
Thing is, when I made this character, I didn't just mean to make her a typical Ascetic Druid, like she was in the other game. I built her to represent the oldest and strongest druid in history, fit for an epic adventure. She was meant to be a time-traveling planar guardian Messiah figure with the mission to protect the world from the greatest of evils [...] to represent the oldest and strongest druid in history, fit for an epic adventure. She was meant to be a time-traveling planar guardian Messiah figure with the mission to protect the world from the greatest of evils"
No, that pretty much sums it up for me. Here's a snippet of a Discord conversation between me (Cowe) and Ash's player, that in his own words illustrates my frustration.
C: "Oh? How many times did your character get age bonuses?"
A: "Twice."
For reference characters gain stats as they age - specifically Intelligence and Wisdom - in exchange for a loss of Str, Dex, and Con,... unless they reverse age themselves, then they get to keep the bonuses but recoup the losses, which was apparently done twice, a flagrant sploit by any measure.
"And you know what, I'll admit that I really did pump up my PCs capabilities. [...] I replaced her Exalted Feats with Epic feats using the Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle method. I gave her her ability to turn undead, making her CaDzilla. I went ahead and picked the best ways to increase my stats, or at least as far as I could within the limits of Vow Of Poverty (which I considered to be a handicap that favored flavor over power). I took the most powerful PrC available to druids. I built her so that she could potentially kill a deity, because I expected we might have to. Sue me.
Thing is, when I made this character, I didn't just mean to make her a typical Ascetic Druid, like she was in the other game. I built her to represent the oldest and strongest druid in history, fit for an epic adventure. She was meant to be a time-traveling planar guardian Messiah figure with the mission to protect the world from the greatest of evils [...] to represent the oldest and strongest druid in history, fit for an epic adventure. She was meant to be a time-traveling planar guardian Messiah figure with the mission to protect the world from the greatest of evils"
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>>113299
And yet the last time I dared to mention Discord, I found that my posts had been edited/deleted...
I am peeved.
Can I just say, could you give me a fucking chance? All this time, you've been complaining about how potentially derailing my character might be by virtue of her tier 1 class powers, when this game has barely even started, and the party hasn't even been faced with any major battle. Sure, my PC is optimized, but it's not like I was intentionally trying to derail the game or make it all about myself like some kind of massive turbo-faggot. We haven't entered combat even once yet, so why has all this dick-measuring started so early? Do you think that just because I played a tier 1 caster who could fill any role, that I wouldn't leave any role open to the players who wanted them? You seem to believe that I'm going to just hog all of the spotlight and flex on everpony because I supposedly have so sense of self-control or fun? If I wanted to do the whole campaign by myself, i wouldn't play D&D; I'd just write a fantasy novel. Do you think I'm such a terrible sport that this game can't be fun just because my character is high-OP?
But I have to say, should you really be complaining about balance when you chose to play a monk in a party that had 4 spellcasters? You know as well as I do that 3.5e isn't even close to balanced when it comes to base classes. A low-OP druid is always going to be more powerful than a high-OP monk; that's just a failure of game design. Despite that, it's still completely possible to play a good game, so long as every party member focuses on their PC instead of dick-measuring with the others. Everybody in the party is supposed to have their particular role; how powerful each PC is in their particular niche shouldn't necessarily be problem for the rest of the party.
In the three weeks before the campaign began, the rest of us were having fun trying to make the most awesome characters, but you wouldn't say anything about your character or how to improve your build. I asked you multiple times what role you wanted your character to play in the party. I did so persistently because I wanted to avoid eclipsing your desired party niche, like let you handle 80% of the melee, or stealth missions, or reconnaissance, or grappling, or whatever it is you wanted to do in this game. Every time I asked you, you only gave me cryptic, unproductive, sometimes ominous responses while saying you were "foreshadowing". You refused to tell the group anything about what you wanted to do, and even two weeks into the game you still hadn't made your character sheet, and now you wonder why my PC, and the rest of the party, seems so powerful compared to yours? What did you expect? What did you even want out of this, if it took you so long to bring it up?
And after all this, why is it my character in particular that bothers you so much? Sure, she's optimized, but not even a quarter as powerful as she could have been if i decided to use items. We've got a Queen-of-All-Psions with 2000+ believers, who commands two other characters. We've got an artificer with the capability to replicate the powers of every spellcasting class (including mine) if given the resources. I'm not the only player high-power player here.
All the significant story actions my character has performed so far are:
>cast a heroes feast to give the party and town a free meal/buff
>dispel a few bubblegum-chocolate clouds
>Gate in Topaz's believers, for everypony's convenience
>Try to scry on one of the quest items in the dragonlands, only to find that (shocker) there was a dragon there
>Attempt to pinch one of the main villains to death, knowing very well that I couldn't kill her
>try to summon a monster to guard the town while we were away
>Cast one (1!) buffing spell on herself to prepare for the next fight
Of these actions, do any of them really seem so game-breaking unbalanced? I was just trying to fill roles i saw that the rest of the party may have not wanted to; and did my best to progress the story along smoothly. If i wanted to be an ass, I would have just teleported to the dragonlands alone and tried to finish that part of the quest all by myself, but I didn't because I'm not a faggot. And very little of this had anything to do with how optimized my character was; any Wizard, Cleric, or Druid could have done those things. If my character is so overpowered to the point that it eclipses the party, how has it shown?
And with all this, you've still repeatedly focused on my character instead of yours. With you it's always "he shouldn't have that!" instead of "can I get in on that?". When I cast one of my many, many potential buff spells on myself, you immediately started complaining that I shouldn't be able to use it, instead of asking to be buffed yourself. I even prepared the same exact spell for the day because i thought your character in particular could benefit from an Insight Bonus to Wisdom; I did that, because it's normal and polite for casters to buff their allies, because that's how teamwork works. Why does this have to be all about me?
And yet the last time I dared to mention Discord, I found that my posts had been edited/deleted...
I am peeved.
Can I just say, could you give me a fucking chance? All this time, you've been complaining about how potentially derailing my character might be by virtue of her tier 1 class powers, when this game has barely even started, and the party hasn't even been faced with any major battle. Sure, my PC is optimized, but it's not like I was intentionally trying to derail the game or make it all about myself like some kind of massive turbo-faggot. We haven't entered combat even once yet, so why has all this dick-measuring started so early? Do you think that just because I played a tier 1 caster who could fill any role, that I wouldn't leave any role open to the players who wanted them? You seem to believe that I'm going to just hog all of the spotlight and flex on everpony because I supposedly have so sense of self-control or fun? If I wanted to do the whole campaign by myself, i wouldn't play D&D; I'd just write a fantasy novel. Do you think I'm such a terrible sport that this game can't be fun just because my character is high-OP?
But I have to say, should you really be complaining about balance when you chose to play a monk in a party that had 4 spellcasters? You know as well as I do that 3.5e isn't even close to balanced when it comes to base classes. A low-OP druid is always going to be more powerful than a high-OP monk; that's just a failure of game design. Despite that, it's still completely possible to play a good game, so long as every party member focuses on their PC instead of dick-measuring with the others. Everybody in the party is supposed to have their particular role; how powerful each PC is in their particular niche shouldn't necessarily be problem for the rest of the party.
In the three weeks before the campaign began, the rest of us were having fun trying to make the most awesome characters, but you wouldn't say anything about your character or how to improve your build. I asked you multiple times what role you wanted your character to play in the party. I did so persistently because I wanted to avoid eclipsing your desired party niche, like let you handle 80% of the melee, or stealth missions, or reconnaissance, or grappling, or whatever it is you wanted to do in this game. Every time I asked you, you only gave me cryptic, unproductive, sometimes ominous responses while saying you were "foreshadowing". You refused to tell the group anything about what you wanted to do, and even two weeks into the game you still hadn't made your character sheet, and now you wonder why my PC, and the rest of the party, seems so powerful compared to yours? What did you expect? What did you even want out of this, if it took you so long to bring it up?
And after all this, why is it my character in particular that bothers you so much? Sure, she's optimized, but not even a quarter as powerful as she could have been if i decided to use items. We've got a Queen-of-All-Psions with 2000+ believers, who commands two other characters. We've got an artificer with the capability to replicate the powers of every spellcasting class (including mine) if given the resources. I'm not the only player high-power player here.
All the significant story actions my character has performed so far are:
>cast a heroes feast to give the party and town a free meal/buff
>dispel a few bubblegum-chocolate clouds
>Gate in Topaz's believers, for everypony's convenience
>Try to scry on one of the quest items in the dragonlands, only to find that (shocker) there was a dragon there
>Attempt to pinch one of the main villains to death, knowing very well that I couldn't kill her
>try to summon a monster to guard the town while we were away
>Cast one (1!) buffing spell on herself to prepare for the next fight
Of these actions, do any of them really seem so game-breaking unbalanced? I was just trying to fill roles i saw that the rest of the party may have not wanted to; and did my best to progress the story along smoothly. If i wanted to be an ass, I would have just teleported to the dragonlands alone and tried to finish that part of the quest all by myself, but I didn't because I'm not a faggot. And very little of this had anything to do with how optimized my character was; any Wizard, Cleric, or Druid could have done those things. If my character is so overpowered to the point that it eclipses the party, how has it shown?
And with all this, you've still repeatedly focused on my character instead of yours. With you it's always "he shouldn't have that!" instead of "can I get in on that?". When I cast one of my many, many potential buff spells on myself, you immediately started complaining that I shouldn't be able to use it, instead of asking to be buffed yourself. I even prepared the same exact spell for the day because i thought your character in particular could benefit from an Insight Bonus to Wisdom; I did that, because it's normal and polite for casters to buff their allies, because that's how teamwork works. Why does this have to be all about me?
Holy shit. I know my character is much stronger than yours; I'm a Druid and You're a Monk. That doesn't mean there's nothing for your character to do in the story though. Characters don't need to be balanced to have a fulfilling campaign. Why do you think my character is so imbalancing when we haven't even entered combat? Did you think I did not also promise GM that I wouldn't break the game, even if my character could?
What on earth do you expect me to do in order to make an Epic Druid on the same level of balance as a monk? Should she throw herself off a cliff and become quadriplegic? Even if I used Psychic Reformation to replace half of her feats with Skill Focus (underwater basket weaving), cut her primary casting stats in half, replaced all of her class levels with vanilla druid, and a paralyzed my PC from the waist down, she'd still be more powerful an optimized Monk; and quite frankly, I don't think you'd be satisfied with it.
What on earth do you expect me to do in order to make an Epic Druid on the same level of balance as a monk? Should she throw herself off a cliff and become quadriplegic? Even if I used Psychic Reformation to replace half of her feats with Skill Focus (underwater basket weaving), cut her primary casting stats in half, replaced all of her class levels with vanilla druid, and a paralyzed my PC from the waist down, she'd still be more powerful an optimized Monk; and quite frankly, I don't think you'd be satisfied with it.
>>113310
>Why didn't you talk about your character
Because that's literally meta. Our characters don't know one another, what their capabilities are, etc. and any meta-discussion would have colored any interactions or story progression. Considering that the party literally just met one another, what each character is capable of - especially their 'finishing moves' and/or A game - is not something that would be openly discussed, outside an after-battle "Hey, what you did there was awesome, how did you do that" or other such dialogue. And in my particular case, Monks don't tend to broadcast their moves to strangers, that shit is a closely guarded secret.
In our last session, my character literally concluded that "Well, these are my allies, I guess I'll make the best of it", and I was perfectly willing to just go with it. As far as the touch/personal argument, I had previously admitted that the permanency argument was sound and I was rethinking my position. With that said, as the rulebooks are literally written, your interpretation of spell range seemed to be contradicted in a way that drastically changes the gameplay style. And when GM made an official (on discord) ruling YOU are the one who wouldn't stop pressing the issue.
Beyond that - and this may come as a surprise to you - but its not unheard of for non spellcasters to be wary of spellcasters and magic in general outside what they can identify/comprehend with their own two eyes, since spellcasters are the bane of melee fighters.
In character, my character's first impression of Ash was one of brashness and arrogance, first running off to attack Discord without knowing the full extent of the situation and then she completely ignored her when she introduced herself afterward. In her mind, the situation with Discord could have been handled in a way that didn't result in everyone getting turned into beach-items, and she only learned Ash's name when she decided to make a grand, spectacular display to the townsponies (NOT the party), and no she didn't eat the food because sometimes that's a good way to get killed.
As for the psion character, I have issues with 2000 followers as well both in and out of character, but I don't have almost 2 years of experience playing with Argentina and was willing to see how it played out. (you) on the other hand, I have the benefit of countless hours of playing with, including an observable disregard for other players.
I get that druids are more powerful than monks but you're not playing a druid, you're playing a God-killer druid in anticipation of having to kill a God, which is meta AF.
As for my delayed character creation, I'm trying to run a business as well as other activities pertaining to the site as you well know and in the numerous PMs between me and GM, he expressed a willingness to accommodate my schedule. So yes, I took my time to ensure that I was painting precisely within the lines and on the rare occasion that I went outside the lines I was given express approval to do so in advance. (cont?)
>Why didn't you talk about your character
Because that's literally meta. Our characters don't know one another, what their capabilities are, etc. and any meta-discussion would have colored any interactions or story progression. Considering that the party literally just met one another, what each character is capable of - especially their 'finishing moves' and/or A game - is not something that would be openly discussed, outside an after-battle "Hey, what you did there was awesome, how did you do that" or other such dialogue. And in my particular case, Monks don't tend to broadcast their moves to strangers, that shit is a closely guarded secret.
In our last session, my character literally concluded that "Well, these are my allies, I guess I'll make the best of it", and I was perfectly willing to just go with it. As far as the touch/personal argument, I had previously admitted that the permanency argument was sound and I was rethinking my position. With that said, as the rulebooks are literally written, your interpretation of spell range seemed to be contradicted in a way that drastically changes the gameplay style. And when GM made an official (on discord) ruling YOU are the one who wouldn't stop pressing the issue.
Beyond that - and this may come as a surprise to you - but its not unheard of for non spellcasters to be wary of spellcasters and magic in general outside what they can identify/comprehend with their own two eyes, since spellcasters are the bane of melee fighters.
In character, my character's first impression of Ash was one of brashness and arrogance, first running off to attack Discord without knowing the full extent of the situation and then she completely ignored her when she introduced herself afterward. In her mind, the situation with Discord could have been handled in a way that didn't result in everyone getting turned into beach-items, and she only learned Ash's name when she decided to make a grand, spectacular display to the townsponies (NOT the party), and no she didn't eat the food because sometimes that's a good way to get killed.
As for the psion character, I have issues with 2000 followers as well both in and out of character, but I don't have almost 2 years of experience playing with Argentina and was willing to see how it played out. (you) on the other hand, I have the benefit of countless hours of playing with, including an observable disregard for other players.
I get that druids are more powerful than monks but you're not playing a druid, you're playing a God-killer druid in anticipation of having to kill a God, which is meta AF.
As for my delayed character creation, I'm trying to run a business as well as other activities pertaining to the site as you well know and in the numerous PMs between me and GM, he expressed a willingness to accommodate my schedule. So yes, I took my time to ensure that I was painting precisely within the lines and on the rare occasion that I went outside the lines I was given express approval to do so in advance. (cont?)
I'm not holding my breath nor are you obligated to offer an explanation, but if you think that a 60 Wis isn't absurd, then we're clearly at an impasse. I'm sure there are plenty more elements that are if not blatant then implicit exploitations of the rules, but that's an aside.
And if when Ash did something that seemed to violate either the letter or the spirit of the rules and I asked GM about it he had said "Its fine, I know about it" or some indication that he was aware of the possibility and could therefore factor it in, I wouldn't have said "boo", but every time I asked him something he expressed nescience and confusion.
As Sven aptly pointed out, having an extremely powerful character in the party results in one of two scenarios:
Either the BBEG has to be so powerful in order to supply a challenge to the party that a balanced (read: having weaknesses) character is rendered irrelevant, or the uber character eliminates the challenge of participating in the scenario.
If you could go a single session without gloating about having spare wishes if the party wants one, or otherwise going on about what you can do when you sploit this supplement combined with that supplement and a host of others I could have kept my mouth shut. But since I can't help but be bombarded with all sorts of unwanted information (including dodgy shit) about your character especially during actual game-time (which ruins the immersion) I opted to say something.
And if when Ash did something that seemed to violate either the letter or the spirit of the rules and I asked GM about it he had said "Its fine, I know about it" or some indication that he was aware of the possibility and could therefore factor it in, I wouldn't have said "boo", but every time I asked him something he expressed nescience and confusion.
As Sven aptly pointed out, having an extremely powerful character in the party results in one of two scenarios:
Either the BBEG has to be so powerful in order to supply a challenge to the party that a balanced (read: having weaknesses) character is rendered irrelevant, or the uber character eliminates the challenge of participating in the scenario.
If you could go a single session without gloating about having spare wishes if the party wants one, or otherwise going on about what you can do when you sploit this supplement combined with that supplement and a host of others I could have kept my mouth shut. But since I can't help but be bombarded with all sorts of unwanted information (including dodgy shit) about your character especially during actual game-time (which ruins the immersion) I opted to say something.
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>>113313
>that's literally meta
That's just preparing for a game. I'll admit that my experience with offline d&d isn't that vast, but every time involved everyone in the group planning and chatting about what role they wanted to play in the story.
>>113314
To be real, my character is not as powerful as she could be. I could easily get to 60+ Wisdom without having to sacrifice 7 turn undead attempts if I had afforded my character the ability to use epic items (after all, my enhancement bonuses only progress by level). If I had made my PC neutral instead of good, she could cast both sanctified and corrupt spells. My PC is only about 1/4th as powerful as an optimized tier 1 caster could be (without exploiting infinite loops), but i didn't just build her for power, I built her to accurately represent the role I wanted to play. I only took this stupidly under-powered Vow Of Poverty feat because playing an artificer left me with a subtle disdain of how unapologetically broken the 3.5e item system is.
Sure, my PC is made to fight gods, but isn't that what the campaign is about? There are a lot of epic monsters who are actual gods with actual deific powers that could wipe out the entire party on the surprise round if unprepared. I built a character with powers appropriate for what I expected to encounter in an epic level adventure. Sealing a reality-warping chaos deity that can thanos-snap you into a turnip with no save requires nothing but an optimized character. I've seen the ELH suggestions for epic level adventures and the Elder Evils adventure modules. Epic level is a high-crunch, powergamed, rocket-tag setting where a single unblocked attack can mean certain doom for an entire party.
A gibbering orb can shoot 24 ray attacks at once, followed by 12 bite attacks, each with a chance for Improved Grab and a chance to swallow whole, then devouring all of the swallowed caster's spells and using them against the rest of the party, as a standard action. To counter that, I made a planar shepherd that had access to incorporeal forms to avoid being zapped, grabbed and eaten and have all of my spells sucked out on the surprise round.
A Protean, which is at exactly this party's CR, can duplicate any extraordinary ability as a free action. That means that it can make iself immune to every kind of spell (wil-o-wisp), split into infinite copies of itself (black pudding), Become incorporeal, gain any kind of damage reduction, duplicate any Ironheart, Stone Dragon, Tiger Claw, or Diamond mind maneuver (those are extraordinary abilities too), give itself temporary access to any feat, make iself immune to any kind of energy damage, change size from fine to colossal, ... etc. Oh, and it regenerates like a Tarrasque, and it has Dimensional Door, Detect Thoughts, and Planeshift at-will. It basically combines all of the nastiest parts of a Phasm, a Chaos Beast, and a Tarrasque, in addition to every other kind of creature that could kill a party member in one round. I strongly expect to fight a bunch of those because they're the epic monsters most closely associated with chaos and randomness. Sure, my character could try to escape from it, but not before it killed-off a party member and/or killed a bunch of innocent poners. To avoid absolute massacre, the only way to counter a monster like that is with immediate action, permanent, and persistent divination buffs, to warn the rest of the party that an nigh-invincible chaos spawn just manifested; then you would need to buff-up all of the party's martial characters so that they could deal enough nonlethal damage in the next several rounds to keep it from concentrating on teleportation so that they can knock it out and a spell-caster could use a wish or miracle to keep it dead. You need a spell-caster for that, and a spell-caster with greater spell-casting capabilities than a druid. Since it looked like there wasn't going to be any wizards or clerics in the party (at the time), I figured i'd try to get access to miracle and warp destiny through the Bonus domain feat. I made a character with Divine Metamagic so I could buff my allies and have those buffs last all day, so they wouldn't be easy-meat for epic monsters.
Then there's Infernal abominations who, thanks to their deific abomination traits, could slip through all of my divinations and defensive wards, grab me, bite me in throat and suck out my spells. How can I counter that? I really don't know. I'd just have to buff up the rest of the party and hope they can defend me from it while i try to pin it down with spells.
Then there's the possibility of a demilich, an optimized wizard, cleric or sorcerer impervious to all magic except for holy smite and kills you if it touches you. That's a monster that possesses all of the abilities my PC has, and much much more. I'd be afraid of fighting that, because the only way to deal with it would be to layer a fuckton of defensive wards and buff the party so they hopefully someone can damage it's astral projection hard enough and quickly enough for it to return to its private demiplane.
But really, there's a lot of stuff in those books that I don't think my PC could handle, let alone defend the rest of the party +2000 believers from. What if a Shape of Fire attacked and burned Topaz's believers and reanimated them all into an endless sea of lavawights? That would kill us unless you had a way to see into the future and stop the catastrophe from happening in the first place.
I built a god-fighter PC because CR 25 means fighting literal gods.
>that's literally meta
That's just preparing for a game. I'll admit that my experience with offline d&d isn't that vast, but every time involved everyone in the group planning and chatting about what role they wanted to play in the story.
>>113314
To be real, my character is not as powerful as she could be. I could easily get to 60+ Wisdom without having to sacrifice 7 turn undead attempts if I had afforded my character the ability to use epic items (after all, my enhancement bonuses only progress by level). If I had made my PC neutral instead of good, she could cast both sanctified and corrupt spells. My PC is only about 1/4th as powerful as an optimized tier 1 caster could be (without exploiting infinite loops), but i didn't just build her for power, I built her to accurately represent the role I wanted to play. I only took this stupidly under-powered Vow Of Poverty feat because playing an artificer left me with a subtle disdain of how unapologetically broken the 3.5e item system is.
Sure, my PC is made to fight gods, but isn't that what the campaign is about? There are a lot of epic monsters who are actual gods with actual deific powers that could wipe out the entire party on the surprise round if unprepared. I built a character with powers appropriate for what I expected to encounter in an epic level adventure. Sealing a reality-warping chaos deity that can thanos-snap you into a turnip with no save requires nothing but an optimized character. I've seen the ELH suggestions for epic level adventures and the Elder Evils adventure modules. Epic level is a high-crunch, powergamed, rocket-tag setting where a single unblocked attack can mean certain doom for an entire party.
A gibbering orb can shoot 24 ray attacks at once, followed by 12 bite attacks, each with a chance for Improved Grab and a chance to swallow whole, then devouring all of the swallowed caster's spells and using them against the rest of the party, as a standard action. To counter that, I made a planar shepherd that had access to incorporeal forms to avoid being zapped, grabbed and eaten and have all of my spells sucked out on the surprise round.
A Protean, which is at exactly this party's CR, can duplicate any extraordinary ability as a free action. That means that it can make iself immune to every kind of spell (wil-o-wisp), split into infinite copies of itself (black pudding), Become incorporeal, gain any kind of damage reduction, duplicate any Ironheart, Stone Dragon, Tiger Claw, or Diamond mind maneuver (those are extraordinary abilities too), give itself temporary access to any feat, make iself immune to any kind of energy damage, change size from fine to colossal, ... etc. Oh, and it regenerates like a Tarrasque, and it has Dimensional Door, Detect Thoughts, and Planeshift at-will. It basically combines all of the nastiest parts of a Phasm, a Chaos Beast, and a Tarrasque, in addition to every other kind of creature that could kill a party member in one round. I strongly expect to fight a bunch of those because they're the epic monsters most closely associated with chaos and randomness. Sure, my character could try to escape from it, but not before it killed-off a party member and/or killed a bunch of innocent poners. To avoid absolute massacre, the only way to counter a monster like that is with immediate action, permanent, and persistent divination buffs, to warn the rest of the party that an nigh-invincible chaos spawn just manifested; then you would need to buff-up all of the party's martial characters so that they could deal enough nonlethal damage in the next several rounds to keep it from concentrating on teleportation so that they can knock it out and a spell-caster could use a wish or miracle to keep it dead. You need a spell-caster for that, and a spell-caster with greater spell-casting capabilities than a druid. Since it looked like there wasn't going to be any wizards or clerics in the party (at the time), I figured i'd try to get access to miracle and warp destiny through the Bonus domain feat. I made a character with Divine Metamagic so I could buff my allies and have those buffs last all day, so they wouldn't be easy-meat for epic monsters.
Then there's Infernal abominations who, thanks to their deific abomination traits, could slip through all of my divinations and defensive wards, grab me, bite me in throat and suck out my spells. How can I counter that? I really don't know. I'd just have to buff up the rest of the party and hope they can defend me from it while i try to pin it down with spells.
Then there's the possibility of a demilich, an optimized wizard, cleric or sorcerer impervious to all magic except for holy smite and kills you if it touches you. That's a monster that possesses all of the abilities my PC has, and much much more. I'd be afraid of fighting that, because the only way to deal with it would be to layer a fuckton of defensive wards and buff the party so they hopefully someone can damage it's astral projection hard enough and quickly enough for it to return to its private demiplane.
But really, there's a lot of stuff in those books that I don't think my PC could handle, let alone defend the rest of the party +2000 believers from. What if a Shape of Fire attacked and burned Topaz's believers and reanimated them all into an endless sea of lavawights? That would kill us unless you had a way to see into the future and stop the catastrophe from happening in the first place.
I built a god-fighter PC because CR 25 means fighting literal gods.
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>body was too long
And then there's Discord himself. He is not only a god, he possesses the most powerful deific abilities. What if he interferes when we're on the quest to find the powers to stop him? If he possesses Alter Reality, which i think he does, he may be capable of duplicating any spell from any class up to 9th level, which makes him practically omnipotent. He might not attack us directly, but he could really send some nasty chaos our way if he felt like it. What if he just snaps my horn away so i lose my magical powers? Idk what I'd do then. It'd be one thing to gather the elements to defeat him, but stopping millions of ponies across the world from dying requires a certain level of intense crunch.
Like, an example one of the earliest stages of an apocalypse could be The Restless Dead, which means every corpse of every creature on the planet suddenly reanimating all at once. Could you stop something like that without optimizing, while trying to prioritize the protection of all innocent creatures? I doubt it.
And then there's Discord himself. He is not only a god, he possesses the most powerful deific abilities. What if he interferes when we're on the quest to find the powers to stop him? If he possesses Alter Reality, which i think he does, he may be capable of duplicating any spell from any class up to 9th level, which makes him practically omnipotent. He might not attack us directly, but he could really send some nasty chaos our way if he felt like it. What if he just snaps my horn away so i lose my magical powers? Idk what I'd do then. It'd be one thing to gather the elements to defeat him, but stopping millions of ponies across the world from dying requires a certain level of intense crunch.
Like, an example one of the earliest stages of an apocalypse could be The Restless Dead, which means every corpse of every creature on the planet suddenly reanimating all at once. Could you stop something like that without optimizing, while trying to prioritize the protection of all innocent creatures? I doubt it.
>>113313
I don't think it's about being a dick or not. It's about the appropriate challenge between the enemy and us. Since Ash bases herself on CR of our level, then it is quite understandable she prepares against said threats.
Otherwise, it may happen we curbstomp anything that dares oppose us.
I don't think it's about being a dick or not. It's about the appropriate challenge between the enemy and us. Since Ash bases herself on CR of our level, then it is quite understandable she prepares against said threats.
Otherwise, it may happen we curbstomp anything that dares oppose us.
>>113318
There's a fine line between being ready to respond to a situation and almost-maxing the character until its ECL is 10+ levels higher.
There's a fine line between being ready to respond to a situation and almost-maxing the character until its ECL is 10+ levels higher.
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>>113317
Those are all monsters as they appear in the epic level handbook. CR 25 is no joke.
Proteans and Gibbering Orbs, being literal manifestations of Chaos, are some of the most appropriate minions for Discord.
Hoary Hunters are CR 25 and always attack in groups. They're share a lot of archytypes with the wendigos from the show. Once they lock target, they will never stop hunting you, no matter how many times you kill them.
And then there's all all the other monsters in the 8 monster manuals.
A tiny shard of Pandorym's mind, which could be chipped from it's psionic crystal prison by a universal catastrophic event, is a CR 25 encounter. It has the power to completely cut off the Divine channel from a divine spell-caster, rendering them powerless: i'd be completely screwed if I failed that will save, so I looked for ways to buff my saves for something monstrous like that. So when I built, i built with the mindset of "how do i not get insta-killed by the ghost of the billion IQ psionic fedora that disproved god; and then stop it from consuming the souls of every creature on the planet before it disipates in 24 hours?"
What if the chaos and corruption in the world causes the hatred of the planet to manifest and awaken the entire continent as a Genius Loci? Who be more suitable for it to enslave than a lvl 25 Druid? What if that druid didn't optimize to ward from Enslavement, so then the Genius loci was able to take control of her mind and an epic level spellcaster in the party suddenly becames evil? That wouldn't end well.
>>113318
CR in d&d is a meme, and usually not a proper measurement of difficulty, but it's also what the book recommends DMs to challenge parties with. I was going to count on half of potential monsters being CR 25 and the rest of the harder encounters being higher.
Those are all monsters as they appear in the epic level handbook. CR 25 is no joke.
Proteans and Gibbering Orbs, being literal manifestations of Chaos, are some of the most appropriate minions for Discord.
Hoary Hunters are CR 25 and always attack in groups. They're share a lot of archytypes with the wendigos from the show. Once they lock target, they will never stop hunting you, no matter how many times you kill them.
And then there's all all the other monsters in the 8 monster manuals.
A tiny shard of Pandorym's mind, which could be chipped from it's psionic crystal prison by a universal catastrophic event, is a CR 25 encounter. It has the power to completely cut off the Divine channel from a divine spell-caster, rendering them powerless: i'd be completely screwed if I failed that will save, so I looked for ways to buff my saves for something monstrous like that. So when I built, i built with the mindset of "how do i not get insta-killed by the ghost of the billion IQ psionic fedora that disproved god; and then stop it from consuming the souls of every creature on the planet before it disipates in 24 hours?"
What if the chaos and corruption in the world causes the hatred of the planet to manifest and awaken the entire continent as a Genius Loci? Who be more suitable for it to enslave than a lvl 25 Druid? What if that druid didn't optimize to ward from Enslavement, so then the Genius loci was able to take control of her mind and an epic level spellcaster in the party suddenly becames evil? That wouldn't end well.
>>113318
CR in d&d is a meme, and usually not a proper measurement of difficulty, but it's also what the book recommends DMs to challenge parties with. I was going to count on half of potential monsters being CR 25 and the rest of the harder encounters being higher.
>>113322
>ECL
ECL is nothing more than a mechanical measurement. It's a meme with no real impact on the game other than making certain races randomly higher ECL than others (like hobgoblins being +1 ECL, as if they were even close to as good as humans).
Like hell a lvl 20 Wizard should count as the same level as a lvl 20 Fighter. Not all levels/HD are created equal. That's why they made LA buy-off mechanics, since being an ogre at lvl 20 isn't the same advantage it it is at lvl 10.
>ready to respond
How do you respond to something that can turn you into a beachball with no save? You saw Discord in the show. He's omnipotent.
>ECL
ECL is nothing more than a mechanical measurement. It's a meme with no real impact on the game other than making certain races randomly higher ECL than others (like hobgoblins being +1 ECL, as if they were even close to as good as humans).
Like hell a lvl 20 Wizard should count as the same level as a lvl 20 Fighter. Not all levels/HD are created equal. That's why they made LA buy-off mechanics, since being an ogre at lvl 20 isn't the same advantage it it is at lvl 10.
>ready to respond
How do you respond to something that can turn you into a beachball with no save? You saw Discord in the show. He's omnipotent.
>>113323
>>113325
You realize CR refers to individual monsters right? When they're in a group its higher. Look, we can go around and around. I maintain that I was going to let the matter drop after GM said "no", but rather than make a case to him you chose to keep pestering me about it. I admit I may have been wrong on that but its difficult to say because there are implicit contradictions even in just the one book, but I'm not the person who you should take it up with anyway. I'm done arguing this point or any others.
As for Discord, we can assume that his appearance is relatively unprecedented and therefore not something any of our characters could have legitimately prepared for. What actual character travels their respective world expecting that to happen? Moreover, he might not have turned us into beach apparel if you hadn't made like Judge Dredd with your "I am the law!".
P.S. Dying in D&D isn't the end of the world
>>113325
You realize CR refers to individual monsters right? When they're in a group its higher. Look, we can go around and around. I maintain that I was going to let the matter drop after GM said "no", but rather than make a case to him you chose to keep pestering me about it. I admit I may have been wrong on that but its difficult to say because there are implicit contradictions even in just the one book, but I'm not the person who you should take it up with anyway. I'm done arguing this point or any others.
As for Discord, we can assume that his appearance is relatively unprecedented and therefore not something any of our characters could have legitimately prepared for. What actual character travels their respective world expecting that to happen? Moreover, he might not have turned us into beach apparel if you hadn't made like Judge Dredd with your "I am the law!".
P.S. Dying in D&D isn't the end of the world
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>>113326
I built for what i decided was appropriate for the encounters we might face. My PC is far from invincible.
I built for what i decided was appropriate for the encounters we might face. My PC is far from invincible.
And on top of all of this, I had every part of my PC approved by the DM through every step of the creation process.
It's only you who thinks it's too OP to play.
If you seriously want me to just tear this sheet apart and roll up a new PC, I'd like to at least get through one encounter first.
It's only you who thinks it's too OP to play.
If you seriously want me to just tear this sheet apart and roll up a new PC, I'd like to at least get through one encounter first.
>>113326
>What actual character travels their respective world expecting that to happen?
An Epic character who's spent the last 200 years doing important epic stuff.
My PC has 25 ranks in 4 different schools of knowledge: Discord may be new to her, but she's aware of the existence of things like Atropals and Xiecials.
>What actual character travels their respective world expecting that to happen?
An Epic character who's spent the last 200 years doing important epic stuff.
My PC has 25 ranks in 4 different schools of knowledge: Discord may be new to her, but she's aware of the existence of things like Atropals and Xiecials.
>>113330
Seems like it, sadly.
Don't lose hope just yet. Perhaps we can at least reach the dragonlands aka get a description of it.
Seems like it, sadly.
Don't lose hope just yet. Perhaps we can at least reach the dragonlands aka get a description of it.
>>113332
What do you even want? What is so significant about the build that I spent 3 months perfecting that makes you so butthurt.
If your answer is just "it's too strong", there's nothing about that that will make a significant difference if changed. She's not powerful because of her level of Optimization, she's OP because of her class. This is a mid-op build.
She'd still be astronomically more powerful than your character if every single one of her feats were replaced with Toughness.
Monks suck. Big whup.
What do you even want? What is so significant about the build that I spent 3 months perfecting that makes you so butthurt.
If your answer is just "it's too strong", there's nothing about that that will make a significant difference if changed. She's not powerful because of her level of Optimization, she's OP because of her class. This is a mid-op build.
She'd still be astronomically more powerful than your character if every single one of her feats were replaced with Toughness.
Monks suck. Big whup.
>>113336
Wtf are you even talking about?
I've done nothing to imbalance the game yet, and I don't intend to, but you're you're acting like I just donkey-punched Loth.
Wtf are you even talking about?
I've done nothing to imbalance the game yet, and I don't intend to, but you're you're acting like I just donkey-punched Loth.
>>113333
If she’s only powerful because of her class, then why not just have a more regular Druid build without a dozen pieces stitched together from various books outside of the SRD? Why have her aged twice - conveniently only after she receives timeless body at level 15, meaning she advanced to level 15 before hitting middle age, but only advanced 10 levels in the next 670 years? Why replace the free bonus feats that come with the Vow of Poverty with free Epic feats. Why calculate her skill levels incorrectly, when increases to Int do not retroactively add skill points. Why not just make a more normal level 25 Druid without a dozen source books, and questionable interpretations of the rules?
Just eliminate those aspects, and the grounds for complaint would be neutralized
If she’s only powerful because of her class, then why not just have a more regular Druid build without a dozen pieces stitched together from various books outside of the SRD? Why have her aged twice - conveniently only after she receives timeless body at level 15, meaning she advanced to level 15 before hitting middle age, but only advanced 10 levels in the next 670 years? Why replace the free bonus feats that come with the Vow of Poverty with free Epic feats. Why calculate her skill levels incorrectly, when increases to Int do not retroactively add skill points. Why not just make a more normal level 25 Druid without a dozen source books, and questionable interpretations of the rules?
Just eliminate those aspects, and the grounds for complaint would be neutralized
>>113338
I'd be content if the sploits weren't shoved in everyone's face all the time tbh. That and not acting like the issue was about a pissing contest over class power level when its clearly (in my case at least) a matter of one PC trying to abide by the necessary restrictions that get thrown to the wind when combining supplements
I'd be content if the sploits weren't shoved in everyone's face all the time tbh. That and not acting like the issue was about a pissing contest over class power level when its clearly (in my case at least) a matter of one PC trying to abide by the necessary restrictions that get thrown to the wind when combining supplements
>>113338
Because it's so much cooler this way. I built her character based on what I wanted to play. What other chance would I get to play an epic level Planar Shepherd? a level 25 character has more levels than most gods, so a lvl 25 druid should represent the oldest and strongest druid.
She's not just a Druid; she's a holy Druid of The Blessed Fields, who worships the light at the temple islands of Thalasia, taught by the greatest heroes in all of the realm-space as she served them in their eternal bliss. She's a devoted Ascetic who in her strife attained freedom from want, and believes in only using her gifts to help others and never for personal gain.
And as for the aging thing, it's hardly significant mechanically, because it makes up for the fact that I cannot simply purchase items that grant me a +12 enhancement bonus to stats like everyone else can. I thought being a 750 year old mother-of-all-druids just felt so badass, especially if it comes with the process of casting away one's old identity in favor of being a platinum-scaled dragonborn servant of justice.
She got to lvl 15 before reaching middle age because GM ruled that Kirin age like elves, so she would've had like a hundred years to get there. Her backstory for her first life is similar to the original backstory i wrote for her: at an early age, her father deemed her to be unfit to married off (chronic anger issues), so he sent her off to a monastery to become a shrine maiden. She's been a nun since before she hit puberty.
She's spent centuries serving guardinals, olympians and archons in the upper planes, but left paradise because she was neither dead nor dying, and wanted to return to the earth to make it a better place for the remainder of her extended lifespan (which is close to it's maximum), so she can die knowing she's served her purpose in the universe.
I built it this way because it's 100% awesome, and i thought it felt appropriate for an epic adventure.
I considered dumping planar shepherd to be a druid/sorcerer arcane heirophant theurge, but managing two 9th level spell-casting classes felt like it'd be overpowered and redundant.
>dozen sourcebooks
I used a few sourcebooks, but there's hardly any broken content there. I had everything on my sheet personally approved months ago. Maybe greenbound summoning is a bit too powerful at lvls 1-4, but at lvl 25 it's just a cheap way of putting up shrubberies.
Everyone here used multiple sourcebooks too; GM said in the original OP that we all could. Topaz has a dragon thrall from the MMII (the most broken monster manual). Candy is an Artificer: a base class from the eberron campaign setting.
It's not like vanilla 3.5e is a complete or balanced game anyway. Most martial classes in the PHB are tier 5 garbage; the Tome Of Battle saved martial characters. Most of the most broken and exploitable spells in 3.5e are in the PHB: Gate, Simulacrum, Planar Binding, Shapechange, Polymorph Any Object, Shades, Wish, miracle, etc. Splatbooks aren't a bad thing; they enrich the game, because the game was never finished in the first place.
I took some Unearthed Arcana ACFs, but i had each and every one of them approved by the DM weeks before the campaign started.
Her skill points are calculated Correctly. When you make a PC, you calculate their skillpoints by their current Int, not the int they supposedly "used to" have. Besides, if you apply Psychic Reformation, you'd be able to retroactively gain those skillpoints anyway. It's why every character who increases their int over the course of the game should pay an NPC Psion to Reform their skills.
Replacing Exalted feats with non-exalted feats did indeed increase her power significantly, but most exalted feats are crap, and I don't even qualify for most of them. Replacing them with Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle turned an underwhelming feature of the build into something i could actually make use of. It was approved anyway.
>free bonus feats for free epic feats
If by "free" you mean, "costs all of your worldly possessions" then then sure you could call it that. Vow Of Poverty is an under-powered feat that only works for Druids because druids are powerful enough by themselves.
Epic feats aren't even necessarily that great. The only ones that stand out are Bonus Domain, Improved spell capacity and Epic Spellcasting. The rest are 3.0 garbage that are easily replaced by non-epic feats. The ELH is not a well-written book. I did take bonus domain a couple times though; it rounded-out my spellcasting pallet.
>>113342
If I've been bragging about my stats a lot, I apologize for that... It's just that I worked on this for a really long time, and I get really, really enthusiastic about metamechanics sometimes...
Because it's so much cooler this way. I built her character based on what I wanted to play. What other chance would I get to play an epic level Planar Shepherd? a level 25 character has more levels than most gods, so a lvl 25 druid should represent the oldest and strongest druid.
She's not just a Druid; she's a holy Druid of The Blessed Fields, who worships the light at the temple islands of Thalasia, taught by the greatest heroes in all of the realm-space as she served them in their eternal bliss. She's a devoted Ascetic who in her strife attained freedom from want, and believes in only using her gifts to help others and never for personal gain.
And as for the aging thing, it's hardly significant mechanically, because it makes up for the fact that I cannot simply purchase items that grant me a +12 enhancement bonus to stats like everyone else can. I thought being a 750 year old mother-of-all-druids just felt so badass, especially if it comes with the process of casting away one's old identity in favor of being a platinum-scaled dragonborn servant of justice.
She got to lvl 15 before reaching middle age because GM ruled that Kirin age like elves, so she would've had like a hundred years to get there. Her backstory for her first life is similar to the original backstory i wrote for her: at an early age, her father deemed her to be unfit to married off (chronic anger issues), so he sent her off to a monastery to become a shrine maiden. She's been a nun since before she hit puberty.
She's spent centuries serving guardinals, olympians and archons in the upper planes, but left paradise because she was neither dead nor dying, and wanted to return to the earth to make it a better place for the remainder of her extended lifespan (which is close to it's maximum), so she can die knowing she's served her purpose in the universe.
I built it this way because it's 100% awesome, and i thought it felt appropriate for an epic adventure.
I considered dumping planar shepherd to be a druid/sorcerer arcane heirophant theurge, but managing two 9th level spell-casting classes felt like it'd be overpowered and redundant.
>dozen sourcebooks
I used a few sourcebooks, but there's hardly any broken content there. I had everything on my sheet personally approved months ago. Maybe greenbound summoning is a bit too powerful at lvls 1-4, but at lvl 25 it's just a cheap way of putting up shrubberies.
Everyone here used multiple sourcebooks too; GM said in the original OP that we all could. Topaz has a dragon thrall from the MMII (the most broken monster manual). Candy is an Artificer: a base class from the eberron campaign setting.
It's not like vanilla 3.5e is a complete or balanced game anyway. Most martial classes in the PHB are tier 5 garbage; the Tome Of Battle saved martial characters. Most of the most broken and exploitable spells in 3.5e are in the PHB: Gate, Simulacrum, Planar Binding, Shapechange, Polymorph Any Object, Shades, Wish, miracle, etc. Splatbooks aren't a bad thing; they enrich the game, because the game was never finished in the first place.
I took some Unearthed Arcana ACFs, but i had each and every one of them approved by the DM weeks before the campaign started.
Her skill points are calculated Correctly. When you make a PC, you calculate their skillpoints by their current Int, not the int they supposedly "used to" have. Besides, if you apply Psychic Reformation, you'd be able to retroactively gain those skillpoints anyway. It's why every character who increases their int over the course of the game should pay an NPC Psion to Reform their skills.
Replacing Exalted feats with non-exalted feats did indeed increase her power significantly, but most exalted feats are crap, and I don't even qualify for most of them. Replacing them with Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle turned an underwhelming feature of the build into something i could actually make use of. It was approved anyway.
>free bonus feats for free epic feats
If by "free" you mean, "costs all of your worldly possessions" then then sure you could call it that. Vow Of Poverty is an under-powered feat that only works for Druids because druids are powerful enough by themselves.
Epic feats aren't even necessarily that great. The only ones that stand out are Bonus Domain, Improved spell capacity and Epic Spellcasting. The rest are 3.0 garbage that are easily replaced by non-epic feats. The ELH is not a well-written book. I did take bonus domain a couple times though; it rounded-out my spellcasting pallet.
>>113342
If I've been bragging about my stats a lot, I apologize for that... It's just that I worked on this for a really long time, and I get really, really enthusiastic about metamechanics sometimes...
>>113377
Thank you. And I'll refrain from rulecucking in favor of letting GM script the game as he sees fit
Thank you. And I'll refrain from rulecucking in favor of letting GM script the game as he sees fit
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>labor day
>campus closed
>hurricane Tuesday
>also closed
>campus closed
>hurricane Tuesday
>also closed
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>>113425
It doesn't. It just can't use campus resources to study for the next test.
And I'm bored, because that's what I was going to do all day.
It doesn't. It just can't use campus resources to study for the next test.
And I'm bored, because that's what I was going to do all day.
>>113431
I suppose the Internet can help you with that. Watch some dude explaining the subjects and stuff.
I suppose the Internet can help you with that. Watch some dude explaining the subjects and stuff.
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Well, while the PC's are floating around in a hurricane eye the plane of air for 10 minutes.
>Stormwalk winds sound vaguely like elevator music
>>113436
Sister Ash does her best to position herself in the void
".. This will take some time. I'm not very good at transporting so many creatures at once.." She says, spinning upside down a bit with her legs flailing helplessly
"But while we wait.. Tell me more about yourself. You said that your father was the only one you knew who shared your power?"
[clumsy floating nun noises]
>Stormwalk winds sound vaguely like elevator music
>>113436
Sister Ash does her best to position herself in the void
".. This will take some time. I'm not very good at transporting so many creatures at once.." She says, spinning upside down a bit with her legs flailing helplessly
"But while we wait.. Tell me more about yourself. You said that your father was the only one you knew who shared your power?"
[clumsy floating nun noises]
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>>113450
Topaz is rather unaffected, simply going with the natural order of things as her body rotates in the same way.
"Well... where to start..."
Phospy is trying his hardest not to dizzy himself with his panicked hovering.
"I had a good upbringing, mainly due to my parents. Father was a leader of some sort... He sometimes went away for periods of time with bandages around some part of his body, but inbetween those times he was eager to play with me. From chess and checkers to a simple game of tag."
She snickers.
"He let me win most of the time."
Diamond can be seen doing absolutely nothing aside from blankly staring in front of him.
"At times he couldn't, so he'd ordered some of the house ponies to keep me company. While helpful, they never seemed to be quite... there. Even my mother seemed spaced out. I only started noticing it after I got to the age of 6, when I saw a sort of... thin line coming from mother's head to father's."
Topaz smiles.
"You could guess what happened next."
Topaz is rather unaffected, simply going with the natural order of things as her body rotates in the same way.
"Well... where to start..."
Phospy is trying his hardest not to dizzy himself with his panicked hovering.
"I had a good upbringing, mainly due to my parents. Father was a leader of some sort... He sometimes went away for periods of time with bandages around some part of his body, but inbetween those times he was eager to play with me. From chess and checkers to a simple game of tag."
She snickers.
"He let me win most of the time."
Diamond can be seen doing absolutely nothing aside from blankly staring in front of him.
"At times he couldn't, so he'd ordered some of the house ponies to keep me company. While helpful, they never seemed to be quite... there. Even my mother seemed spaced out. I only started noticing it after I got to the age of 6, when I saw a sort of... thin line coming from mother's head to father's."
Topaz smiles.
"You could guess what happened next."
>>113454
Cowe activates her mask (casts Fly) to reorient herself so that she and Ash are both aligned vertically, and then lifts her mask like a visor.
"Sonata Deline, Tsuki o tobikoeta ushi the Cow that Jumped Over the Moon, Master of the 6 Disciplines of the Martial Hoof Fist."
Cowe activates her mask (casts Fly) to reorient herself so that she and Ash are both aligned vertically, and then lifts her mask like a visor.
"Sonata Deline, Tsuki o tobikoeta ushi the Cow that Jumped Over the Moon, Master of the 6 Disciplines of the Martial Hoof Fist."
>>113464
She smiles.
"It wasn't that strange when I saw it. At least I understood what was happening after that."
She smiles.
"It wasn't that strange when I saw it. At least I understood what was happening after that."
>>113464
"That's just where I happened to be. I have lived on the road for many years, training and seeking worthy adversaries. I seem to have found one."
"That's just where I happened to be. I have lived on the road for many years, training and seeking worthy adversaries. I seem to have found one."
>>113468
"..........Hmmm.. So it is.." Sister replies,
>>113469
"Oh, I'm somewhat of a planeswalker myself, although my experience pertains to places a bit more.. remote..
I was aiming for the prime material plane, but.. I missed.." she says, gritting her teeth a bit.
"I've never in my life missed the material plane before.. I guess it's all the more reason to spend some more time here."
"..........Hmmm.. So it is.." Sister replies,
>>113469
"Oh, I'm somewhat of a planeswalker myself, although my experience pertains to places a bit more.. remote..
I was aiming for the prime material plane, but.. I missed.." she says, gritting her teeth a bit.
"I've never in my life missed the material plane before.. I guess it's all the more reason to spend some more time here."
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>>113472
Idk. It's unlear what happens during stormwalk. I just know it takes 10 minutes to teleport.
The party met on a private demiplane called "Hub".
>>113473
Sister Ash seems to have been staring intently at Topaz, her purple eyes giving off a slight glow. She's reading her auras.
".. No, there's nothing wrong." she says after abit
"I'm just not familiar with your sort magic(?)..'
Idk. It's unlear what happens during stormwalk. I just know it takes 10 minutes to teleport.
The party met on a private demiplane called "Hub".
>>113473
Sister Ash seems to have been staring intently at Topaz, her purple eyes giving off a slight glow. She's reading her auras.
".. No, there's nothing wrong." she says after abit
"I'm just not familiar with your sort magic(?)..'
>>113479
e_e
I know what the hub is, but if there was any reference to it I missed it. I thought we started on the prime material plane
e_e
I know what the hub is, but if there was any reference to it I missed it. I thought we started on the prime material plane
>>113479
She nods.
"I am not familiar with your powers either. Phospy is the only one who seems to know your kind of power."
The dragon in question can't really grasp losing any sort of friction, leading Topaz to chuckle.
"He's not exactly a manifester of any kind, as far as I know, but they get the ability later on in life. 'A spellcaster', he called you. Magic and the like."
She nods.
"I am not familiar with your powers either. Phospy is the only one who seems to know your kind of power."
The dragon in question can't really grasp losing any sort of friction, leading Topaz to chuckle.
"He's not exactly a manifester of any kind, as far as I know, but they get the ability later on in life. 'A spellcaster', he called you. Magic and the like."
>>113483
Topaz is admittedly quite impressed.
"Woah. That's one stylish name. We go by the name of Psions. Mental energy to do whatever we want them to."
She smiles sheepishly
"With limits, of course."
Topaz is admittedly quite impressed.
"Woah. That's one stylish name. We go by the name of Psions. Mental energy to do whatever we want them to."
She smiles sheepishly
"With limits, of course."
>>113484
"I don't follow your meaning. We are on the prime material plane." She looks at the storm they are traveling in. "Or at least we were,...."
"I don't follow your meaning. We are on the prime material plane." She looks at the storm they are traveling in. "Or at least we were,...."
>>113484
It was a demiplane city. The city encompassed the entire plane.
I wanted to speak to the plane's ruler, but I don't
>>113485
At the speed Sister is spinning, it's not really possible to tell if she's tilting her head or not.
"Indeed.. I've seen it only a few times among the gatekeepers; it's rather rare among monsters, and even rarer among ponies."
>>113487
Sister Ash shrugs
"Call it a space between spaces. All storms are connected. I just conjured a storm over the town, to link us to another storm in the Dragonlands."
It was a demiplane city. The city encompassed the entire plane.
I wanted to speak to the plane's ruler, but I don't
>>113485
At the speed Sister is spinning, it's not really possible to tell if she's tilting her head or not.
"Indeed.. I've seen it only a few times among the gatekeepers; it's rather rare among monsters, and even rarer among ponies."
>>113487
Sister Ash shrugs
"Call it a space between spaces. All storms are connected. I just conjured a storm over the town, to link us to another storm in the Dragonlands."
>>113490
Topaz simply chuckles.
"That is quite odd. All ponies who follow me actively practices it. Diamond is quite the rough pony when focused."
Topaz simply chuckles.
"That is quite odd. All ponies who follow me actively practices it. Diamond is quite the rough pony when focused."
>>113490
Sigh If there is a post that validates your position, I'd love to see it.
"That doesn't seem accurate. Yes there are portals to other planes, but the Hub plane I am familiar with is a different place entirely. In any case, we seem to be on the prime material plane, so let's not argue about it shall we?"
Sigh If there is a post that validates your position, I'd love to see it.
"That doesn't seem accurate. Yes there are portals to other planes, but the Hub plane I am familiar with is a different place entirely. In any case, we seem to be on the prime material plane, so let's not argue about it shall we?"
>>113500
I wonder who created that plane. The creator must be very powerful, or at least very wealthy. Maybe a Mercane.
I wonder who created that plane. The creator must be very powerful, or at least very wealthy. Maybe a Mercane.
>>113503
>merchants making things
"What do you know of he Dragon lands? Is it a plane exclusive to dragons, or is it an area in possession of dragons?"
>merchants making things
"What do you know of he Dragon lands? Is it a plane exclusive to dragons, or is it an area in possession of dragons?"
>>113498
Topaz nods.
"They're the nicest ponies around. They carry my stuff, do my braids when Diamond is busy and do whatever I say."
She smiles.
"They can do your mane if you'd like. You did bring them back here, after all."
Topaz nods.
"They're the nicest ponies around. They carry my stuff, do my braids when Diamond is busy and do whatever I say."
She smiles.
"They can do your mane if you'd like. You did bring them back here, after all."
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>>113505
Mercanes make demiplane Bazaars all of the time. Demiplanes are a natural habitat for the plane-jews. That's why a Mercane encounter in the ELH includes the Mercane being escorted by a 23rd level Union Sentinel.
"It's not a plane." Sister Ash says. "It's continent."
"The Dragon Lands, as ponies call it, is a hotspot (pun intended) for many of the dragons and draconic who frequent nearby continents. The landscape matches the attitude of the creatures; arcane energies from the powerful sorcerous beasts who live there being infused into the soil itself. It's littered in volcanoes, canyons, and vast lakes of lava. It's prone to volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, tornadoes, volatile arcane weather and acidic downpours. It's the home of mountain-sized behemoths with herculean strength and magical powers, and the land itself trembles with generations of strife. The dragons there are just as covetous and destructive as you'd expect; all battleling for supremacy with talor and fire and the battering of wings, be it with eachother or with the gargantuan monsters who call the land their home." she says, a bit dreamily
"It's also just north of my people's homeland, separated by the peaks of Peril. I would love to visit there again, it's been so long since I've seen my old country..."
>>113507
Sister Ash cocks an eyebrow at that
"Mane care.. Is something i have a bit of trouble with at times.." she says, fishing yet another sprig of mistletoe out of her golden hair
Mercanes make demiplane Bazaars all of the time. Demiplanes are a natural habitat for the plane-jews. That's why a Mercane encounter in the ELH includes the Mercane being escorted by a 23rd level Union Sentinel.
"It's not a plane." Sister Ash says. "It's continent."
"The Dragon Lands, as ponies call it, is a hotspot (pun intended) for many of the dragons and draconic who frequent nearby continents. The landscape matches the attitude of the creatures; arcane energies from the powerful sorcerous beasts who live there being infused into the soil itself. It's littered in volcanoes, canyons, and vast lakes of lava. It's prone to volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, tornadoes, volatile arcane weather and acidic downpours. It's the home of mountain-sized behemoths with herculean strength and magical powers, and the land itself trembles with generations of strife. The dragons there are just as covetous and destructive as you'd expect; all battleling for supremacy with talor and fire and the battering of wings, be it with eachother or with the gargantuan monsters who call the land their home." she says, a bit dreamily
"It's also just north of my people's homeland, separated by the peaks of Peril. I would love to visit there again, it's been so long since I've seen my old country..."
>>113507
Sister Ash cocks an eyebrow at that
"Mane care.. Is something i have a bit of trouble with at times.." she says, fishing yet another sprig of mistletoe out of her golden hair
>>113519
Topaz simply chuckles.
"With the giant amount of mane you have, it's a given."
She turns curious.
"What about you? You said you were part of a circle? What's that all about?"
Topaz simply chuckles.
"With the giant amount of mane you have, it's a given."
She turns curious.
"What about you? You said you were part of a circle? What's that all about?"
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>>113521
"Well, I guess 'circle' might be a bit of a strong word.." Sister admits
"The creatures of my religion are more attuned to solitary and quiet lifestyles, preferring to remain alone in our chosen territories; however, those us with like minds occasionally meet with one another on certain occasions, perhaps assemble crusades of divide up directional territory. We sometimes call our short-lived clergy 'circles', although it's nothing very official." the Sister continues
"It was upon suggestion of a few members of my faith that I return to this world after so many decades of shepherding the Blessed Fields. In the Blessed fields, both the living and the dead are allowed to live in harmony, but I am neither dead nor dying, the plane did not entrap or beckon me to fulfill its petition. It felt to me as though my service to the light in Thalasia was not necessary, even in all my devotion, so I concluded my tenure in paradise was overdue...
The mortal world is my home. I was born here, and I used my horn to protect this land and its beauty for many, many years in the past.. It's only natural that I should should die here as well in my service to nature, even if my soul is promised the Elysium." she says, with a sigh
"And so, when a brother of my sect came to the circle with the premonition that this world would face turmoil in this century, I knew it was time to leave paradise and make the pilgrimage back to this world, for good this time." she finishes, with a rather nostalgic look
"Well, I guess 'circle' might be a bit of a strong word.." Sister admits
"The creatures of my religion are more attuned to solitary and quiet lifestyles, preferring to remain alone in our chosen territories; however, those us with like minds occasionally meet with one another on certain occasions, perhaps assemble crusades of divide up directional territory. We sometimes call our short-lived clergy 'circles', although it's nothing very official." the Sister continues
"It was upon suggestion of a few members of my faith that I return to this world after so many decades of shepherding the Blessed Fields. In the Blessed fields, both the living and the dead are allowed to live in harmony, but I am neither dead nor dying, the plane did not entrap or beckon me to fulfill its petition. It felt to me as though my service to the light in Thalasia was not necessary, even in all my devotion, so I concluded my tenure in paradise was overdue...
The mortal world is my home. I was born here, and I used my horn to protect this land and its beauty for many, many years in the past.. It's only natural that I should should die here as well in my service to nature, even if my soul is promised the Elysium." she says, with a sigh
"And so, when a brother of my sect came to the circle with the premonition that this world would face turmoil in this century, I knew it was time to leave paradise and make the pilgrimage back to this world, for good this time." she finishes, with a rather nostalgic look
>>113524
Topaz nods, a bit uncomfortable but ultimately understanding she's happy to be here in a broad sense.
"Ah, I see. So you had a vague idea that the dragon looking thing would arrive here. Interesting."
She smiles nonetheless.
"I sure hope my thousands of ponies don't disturb your quiet lifestyle."
He chuckles sheepishly while both Phospy and Diamond try to close the gap between them and her to give her some reassuring affection.
Topaz nods, a bit uncomfortable but ultimately understanding she's happy to be here in a broad sense.
"Ah, I see. So you had a vague idea that the dragon looking thing would arrive here. Interesting."
She smiles nonetheless.
"I sure hope my thousands of ponies don't disturb your quiet lifestyle."
He chuckles sheepishly while both Phospy and Diamond try to close the gap between them and her to give her some reassuring affection.
Oh wait, i forgot I've got levitate as an SLA in this form
>tfw still no fly speed
*uses Levitate on the party*
>tfw still no fly speed
*uses Levitate on the party*
>>113527
Nothing is happening. The party will appear on a solid surface in the dragonlands where the crystal is, if there is one.
Nothing is happening. The party will appear on a solid surface in the dragonlands where the crystal is, if there is one.
Yertle, meanwhile, is levitating cross-legged and meditating silently, as he usually does.
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Huh, Titan has Persistent Image too.
*creates illusionary coy fish swimming around in circles as figments of elevator music play in the background*
*creates illusionary coy fish swimming around in circles as figments of elevator music play in the background*
>>113542
Phospy follows the coy fish, biting at them in an attempt to feed himself further or a desire to hunt.
Phospy follows the coy fish, biting at them in an attempt to feed himself further or a desire to hunt.
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>>113541
>>113540
I should probably post this here.
This isn't a criticism or a complaint, but an explanation of where I (and Cowe) are coming from. At the moment she's minimally responsive because they're flying through a storm en route to no doubt do a fierce battle. She had expected that this sort of discussion would/should have occurred in the tavern. Additionally, I could have her say something like "If you think this is convenient, you should see my Phoenix Cloak", but that's not something she would reveal to anyone except in combat, otherwise stored in her ring of arming.
>>113540
I should probably post this here.
This isn't a criticism or a complaint, but an explanation of where I (and Cowe) are coming from. At the moment she's minimally responsive because they're flying through a storm en route to no doubt do a fierce battle. She had expected that this sort of discussion would/should have occurred in the tavern. Additionally, I could have her say something like "If you think this is convenient, you should see my Phoenix Cloak", but that's not something she would reveal to anyone except in combat, otherwise stored in her ring of arming.
>>113547
Oh shit!
Phospy gets increasingly more anxious as the fishes grow in numbers.
>"I'll get all of you before you get me!"
Oh shit!
Phospy gets increasingly more anxious as the fishes grow in numbers.
>"I'll get all of you before you get me!"
>>113549
Phospy is starting a panic a bit!
>"I'll never surrender to food! Come get some!"
He charges at the ginormous giga-fish, swiping at it.
Phospy is starting a panic a bit!
>"I'll never surrender to food! Come get some!"
He charges at the ginormous giga-fish, swiping at it.
>>113552
The dragon, upon charging through the school of fictional fish, realizes they aren't real.
He can hear a certain dragonborn snickering in the background.
The dragon, upon charging through the school of fictional fish, realizes they aren't real.
He can hear a certain dragonborn snickering in the background.
>>113553
Phospy, upon realizing he's been making a fool out of himself, becomes extremely flustered, hiding his face with his wings as he walks over to Topaz's side, who's also chuckling at his antics.
Phospy, upon realizing he's been making a fool out of himself, becomes extremely flustered, hiding his face with his wings as he walks over to Topaz's side, who's also chuckling at his antics.
>>113554
The nun chuckles lightly and reclines in mid air, more fictional goldfish swimming around her.
Master Yertle is still meditating, but you looked closely you might notice a slight smirk at the corner of his mouth.
The nun chuckles lightly and reclines in mid air, more fictional goldfish swimming around her.
Master Yertle is still meditating, but you looked closely you might notice a slight smirk at the corner of his mouth.
>>113555
Phospy is staring daggers at the nun who dared humiliate him, but is immediately chided by Topaz, who in turn, looks at his master with puppy ears, rewarding him with some pats on the head from the still spinning mare.
This obviously makes the room a little more steamy.
Phospy is staring daggers at the nun who dared humiliate him, but is immediately chided by Topaz, who in turn, looks at his master with puppy ears, rewarding him with some pats on the head from the still spinning mare.
This obviously makes the room a little more steamy.
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>>113608
>NPC frenzied berserker
>zap it to -100 hp
>bow its head open
>still fighting cuz deathless frenzy
>it throws its brain at you and continues to attack afterwards
>NPC frenzied berserker
>zap it to -100 hp
>bow its head open
>still fighting cuz deathless frenzy
>it throws its brain at you and continues to attack afterwards
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>>113610
I love Frenzied Berserkers. For an ubercharger build, it's gotta be one of the best barbarian PRC there is, outside the Tome of Battle that is. I'd say the possibility of being a berserker is what make barbrian tier 4 instead of tier 5 like >Fighter.
The downside is the slight pssibility of wiping out your own party in the case that yo run out of enemis, but greese, marbles, or invisibility sphere can fx that.
I love Frenzied Berserkers. For an ubercharger build, it's gotta be one of the best barbarian PRC there is, outside the Tome of Battle that is. I'd say the possibility of being a berserker is what make barbrian tier 4 instead of tier 5 like >Fighter.
The downside is the slight pssibility of wiping out your own party in the case that yo run out of enemis, but greese, marbles, or invisibility sphere can fx that.
2 Barbarian + 2 Fighter + 10 Frenzied Berserker + 2 Ronin has gotta be the best kind of brute force build that doesn't abuse mechanical loopholes.
I always preferred uberchargers to hurlers. Logarithmic scaling damage to thrown objects with hurlers is cool and all, but it really doesn't compare to being able to run up to something and lop it to pieces, HP be dammed.
>>113630
Ahok.
I figured the problem was meta posting of the actual characters in the campaign, not meta posting in general.
Ahok.
I figured the problem was meta posting of the actual characters in the campaign, not meta posting in general.
>>113631
IMO, meta-posting about the campaign is bad. Meta-posting NOT about the campaign is worse. But that's just my opinion
IMO, meta-posting about the campaign is bad. Meta-posting NOT about the campaign is worse. But that's just my opinion
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>>113617
I had the idea for a Blood-horse human hybrid centaur, bred and raised by evil mages in a tortuous monster spawning camp since the PC was little. I like chaotic characters if they have tragic backstories: it's the exact kind of cliche edge that just does it for me if it's the fluff for a truly insane character.
It'd be beautiful. Take a human and a blood-horse tauric creature. Make it a Proto-creature and a Blooded One, it'd basically be an escaped experiment. That'd be 4 racial hit dice (monstrous humanoid) and +2 level adjustment; so it'd have to start at lvl 6, and wouldn't even have any class levels then. That's really, really pricey, and being a normal human, dwarf, orc or goliath would probably be better, but the idea of playing a magebred, dungeonbred Blood-horse centaur, sounds so freaking badass and sexy.
Give her Shocktrooper and leap attack; plus the Turn On A Charge Skill Trick. Then give it Centaur Trample and Spirited Charge. Equip it with a Lance of Endless Charge and you've got a psychopathic warrior that can straight up drill through armies of monsters.
I had the idea for a Blood-horse human hybrid centaur, bred and raised by evil mages in a tortuous monster spawning camp since the PC was little. I like chaotic characters if they have tragic backstories: it's the exact kind of cliche edge that just does it for me if it's the fluff for a truly insane character.
It'd be beautiful. Take a human and a blood-horse tauric creature. Make it a Proto-creature and a Blooded One, it'd basically be an escaped experiment. That'd be 4 racial hit dice (monstrous humanoid) and +2 level adjustment; so it'd have to start at lvl 6, and wouldn't even have any class levels then. That's really, really pricey, and being a normal human, dwarf, orc or goliath would probably be better, but the idea of playing a magebred, dungeonbred Blood-horse centaur, sounds so freaking badass and sexy.
Give her Shocktrooper and leap attack; plus the Turn On A Charge Skill Trick. Then give it Centaur Trample and Spirited Charge. Equip it with a Lance of Endless Charge and you've got a psychopathic warrior that can straight up drill through armies of monsters.
>>113641
You could always make a new thread
You could always make a new thread
>>113658
Dude. You can fuck off with your salt
Dude. You can fuck off with your salt
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Ah, that's much better.
>>113662
Some one who has deliberately left you alone and not bothered you, and would appreciate it very much if you didn't make snarky insults unprovoked
Some one who has deliberately left you alone and not bothered you, and would appreciate it very much if you didn't make snarky insults unprovoked
>>113664
Have any of your posts here been deleted?
Have any of your posts here been deleted?
>>113666
Then please, for the love of God, stop bitching about post deletions. You've done it two or three times in these two threads, and it's just bringing up drama that has no place in these threads. Let sleeping dogs lie, as they should
Then please, for the love of God, stop bitching about post deletions. You've done it two or three times in these two threads, and it's just bringing up drama that has no place in these threads. Let sleeping dogs lie, as they should
NIGG
>>113676
I'm just saying. I felt I had to shitpost at him, and it almost destroyed the game we're trying to build. I'm asking, please, let it go. He may say stuff, but who is listening? And who is taking sides?
Tl:dr Nigger, please (note, not Nigger please!)
I'm just saying. I felt I had to shitpost at him, and it almost destroyed the game we're trying to build. I'm asking, please, let it go. He may say stuff, but who is listening? And who is taking sides?
Tl:dr Nigger, please (note, not Nigger please!)
So I have decided to quit this campaign. The reasons for this are: I can't into epic level and I don't like how the game treats illusionist on high this high level.
Epic level is way to complicated for a newbie like me. I would probablly not even rememeber all the spell I'd have. There will simply be too many components to keep track on to act actually act accordingly to any situation.
There is also the fact that I find it more intresting to have a few very limited abilities that I have to really use the rules in my advantage rather than having all the abilities and the hard part is to rememeber the one ability that is useful for this situation. For example I throw minor illusion on a couple of flat small rocks to make them look like coins or something valueable and then bribe the gatekeeper to a city. This is something I think is more fun than just realizing that I have greater teleportation and can just appear on the inside of a the walls.
The character concept I had in mind doesn't work on epic level either it seems. I wanted an illusionist that could not damage creatures directly. Like I wouldn't have any evocation spells or such damaging spells but I would use illusionary wall to have my enemies fall down through pits and the other such tricks.
Now however, it seems that the highest level illusion spells like simulacrum and etc. are spells that do damage and such instead of just manipulating the senses of others. It doesn't help that lower levels of spells are completely disregarded for monster you face on epic level since they have truesight. Which means the entire lower- to middle-levels of the school of illusion is made irrelevant.
So you can do whatever you want with my pc make it an npc who follows the party around, have her die in funny or serious manner, or just forget that she was even with you at all. You have my consent to do whatever with her.
I like to thank you anons who have helped me and that you have been very welcomming towards me. And to the GM I also want to say that your campaign seems really fun and your description are great. You got Discord's personality done to a tea? T? t. The reasons for me leaving is these mechinical aspects I have probelms with rather than the narrative, the pcs, or anything else related to that.
Epic level is way to complicated for a newbie like me. I would probablly not even rememeber all the spell I'd have. There will simply be too many components to keep track on to act actually act accordingly to any situation.
There is also the fact that I find it more intresting to have a few very limited abilities that I have to really use the rules in my advantage rather than having all the abilities and the hard part is to rememeber the one ability that is useful for this situation. For example I throw minor illusion on a couple of flat small rocks to make them look like coins or something valueable and then bribe the gatekeeper to a city. This is something I think is more fun than just realizing that I have greater teleportation and can just appear on the inside of a the walls.
The character concept I had in mind doesn't work on epic level either it seems. I wanted an illusionist that could not damage creatures directly. Like I wouldn't have any evocation spells or such damaging spells but I would use illusionary wall to have my enemies fall down through pits and the other such tricks.
Now however, it seems that the highest level illusion spells like simulacrum and etc. are spells that do damage and such instead of just manipulating the senses of others. It doesn't help that lower levels of spells are completely disregarded for monster you face on epic level since they have truesight. Which means the entire lower- to middle-levels of the school of illusion is made irrelevant.
So you can do whatever you want with my pc make it an npc who follows the party around, have her die in funny or serious manner, or just forget that she was even with you at all. You have my consent to do whatever with her.
I like to thank you anons who have helped me and that you have been very welcomming towards me. And to the GM I also want to say that your campaign seems really fun and your description are great. You got Discord's personality done to a tea? T? t. The reasons for me leaving is these mechinical aspects I have probelms with rather than the narrative, the pcs, or anything else related to that.
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>>113727
I thought it was time related issues
In any case, it's understandable. Have good time, Sven.
Here's cat pic
I thought it was time related issues
In any case, it's understandable. Have good time, Sven.
Here's cat pic
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>>113727
Illusion schools aren't all that bad. It's an entire school of magic, and Illusionists/Beguilers get access to almost all of them; often so potent that enemies at epic level only have some immensities (mostly just the deific ones) because they'd be too easy to defeat otherwise.
There are a lot of illusion spells at every level that are effective and useful in pretty much every adventure. Rainbow patterns, Silent Image, Persistent Image, Ice Assassin, Mirage Arcana, Superior Invisibility, Seeming, scintillating pattern, Mirror Image, Project Image, Shadow Walk, Silence, Seeming, Ghost Sound, Major Image, Nightmare Terrain, Weird, Greater Mirror Image, Phantom Battle, Shadow Well, Sensory Deprivation, Hallucinatory Terrain, Shades... etc. Some may not work on some deific abominations who have explicit immensities, but a lot of illusion spells are potent dragon-killers.
For a spellcaster, being able to confuse, delay, slow, hide from or incapacitate an enemy is often more useful than just blasting them with evocations (fireball is overrated), because an enemy at 1 HP is just as dangerous as an enemy at 1000 HP. Being able to hold an enemy still for even one round is often more valuable than just damaging them. It's certainly better than being a tier 5 Fighter, who would instantly be made irrelevant by Summoning and Polymorph spells.
Beguilers also get a lot of good Enchantment, Abjuration, Conjuration, and Transmutation spells, like Haste, Mindblank, Glibness, Dominate Monster, Misdirection, Heroism, Blink, Vertigo Field, Legion Of Sentinels, Swift Etherealness, Fog Cloud, Detect Secret Doors, Mage Armor Sending, Telapathic Bond, Repulsion, Freedom Of Movement, Incite Riot, Time Stop, Power Word Kill, Demand, Spell Turning, Greater Dispel Magic, Break Enchantment, Moment Of Prescience, Arcane Sight... etc, and they get all of those good ones without needing to select them. They also get a lot of rogue-like stealth and deception skills (a Beguiler with maxed out bluff and Glibness can fool even a deity with Divine Insight), and class features and bonus feats that allow their illusion and enchantment spell to affect monsters that would normally be immune. It seems as though the main thing this party lacks is stealth, so a beguiler would fit the niche better than any rogue ever could (they're Int-based, so they usually get more skill point per level than a rogue does anyway). Their illusion spells can be made even more potent when backed up with the almighty bluff skill, since enemies might believe your figments even if they make their saves.
Yeah, yeah, this was an excuse to geek-out about Beguilers being my favorite tier 3 class, sue me. It's all true though. Illusions are underrated and lots of fun.
However, if you think it's too annoying to get a hang of the meta to make a lvl 25 character, when you've never actually played 3.5e before, that's understandable (I'd gladly help, but I don't want to force you). On the other hand, 3.5e at lvl 25 is pretty much the same as it is at lvl 25 works about the same way it does at lvl 5, except the monsters are tougher and the party gets capable of more shenanigans: it's kind of like an MORPG in that sense where everything just keeps scaling; and it's moreso harder to balance as a DM than it is to play, since arcane spellcasters quickly become demigods while fighters lag behind (barbarians and martial adepts are good though). The worst case scenario is that you just die repeatedly, in which case my PC could bring you back to life every time without even losing levels or constitution.
I really like your character though: the shy but talented illusionist idea sounds pretty cool. Hope to see you again some time, even if it's just lurking commentary.
Illusion schools aren't all that bad. It's an entire school of magic, and Illusionists/Beguilers get access to almost all of them; often so potent that enemies at epic level only have some immensities (mostly just the deific ones) because they'd be too easy to defeat otherwise.
There are a lot of illusion spells at every level that are effective and useful in pretty much every adventure. Rainbow patterns, Silent Image, Persistent Image, Ice Assassin, Mirage Arcana, Superior Invisibility, Seeming, scintillating pattern, Mirror Image, Project Image, Shadow Walk, Silence, Seeming, Ghost Sound, Major Image, Nightmare Terrain, Weird, Greater Mirror Image, Phantom Battle, Shadow Well, Sensory Deprivation, Hallucinatory Terrain, Shades... etc. Some may not work on some deific abominations who have explicit immensities, but a lot of illusion spells are potent dragon-killers.
For a spellcaster, being able to confuse, delay, slow, hide from or incapacitate an enemy is often more useful than just blasting them with evocations (fireball is overrated), because an enemy at 1 HP is just as dangerous as an enemy at 1000 HP. Being able to hold an enemy still for even one round is often more valuable than just damaging them. It's certainly better than being a tier 5 Fighter, who would instantly be made irrelevant by Summoning and Polymorph spells.
Beguilers also get a lot of good Enchantment, Abjuration, Conjuration, and Transmutation spells, like Haste, Mindblank, Glibness, Dominate Monster, Misdirection, Heroism, Blink, Vertigo Field, Legion Of Sentinels, Swift Etherealness, Fog Cloud, Detect Secret Doors, Mage Armor Sending, Telapathic Bond, Repulsion, Freedom Of Movement, Incite Riot, Time Stop, Power Word Kill, Demand, Spell Turning, Greater Dispel Magic, Break Enchantment, Moment Of Prescience, Arcane Sight... etc, and they get all of those good ones without needing to select them. They also get a lot of rogue-like stealth and deception skills (a Beguiler with maxed out bluff and Glibness can fool even a deity with Divine Insight), and class features and bonus feats that allow their illusion and enchantment spell to affect monsters that would normally be immune. It seems as though the main thing this party lacks is stealth, so a beguiler would fit the niche better than any rogue ever could (they're Int-based, so they usually get more skill point per level than a rogue does anyway). Their illusion spells can be made even more potent when backed up with the almighty bluff skill, since enemies might believe your figments even if they make their saves.
Yeah, yeah, this was an excuse to geek-out about Beguilers being my favorite tier 3 class, sue me. It's all true though. Illusions are underrated and lots of fun.
However, if you think it's too annoying to get a hang of the meta to make a lvl 25 character, when you've never actually played 3.5e before, that's understandable (I'd gladly help, but I don't want to force you). On the other hand, 3.5e at lvl 25 is pretty much the same as it is at lvl 25 works about the same way it does at lvl 5, except the monsters are tougher and the party gets capable of more shenanigans: it's kind of like an MORPG in that sense where everything just keeps scaling; and it's moreso harder to balance as a DM than it is to play, since arcane spellcasters quickly become demigods while fighters lag behind (barbarians and martial adepts are good though). The worst case scenario is that you just die repeatedly, in which case my PC could bring you back to life every time without even losing levels or constitution.
I really like your character though: the shy but talented illusionist idea sounds pretty cool. Hope to see you again some time, even if it's just lurking commentary.
*makes more illusionary fish*
>>113730
>(I'd gladly help, but I don't want to force you)
Thanks but I wll decline your kind offer.
> Hope to see you again some time, even if it's just lurking commentary.
That is garanteed.
>(I'd gladly help, but I don't want to force you)
Thanks but I wll decline your kind offer.
> Hope to see you again some time, even if it's just lurking commentary.
That is garanteed.
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>>113897
I won't lurk it but I might join. I will have to talk to the GM privately about my character if I do so.
Your campaign don't have the two problems listed above since it is low level in comparizion. Yet, your campaign seem to be even harder to play in since you seem to play every night, which is not an option for me. I might be able to play on weekends, however. There are many ways to solve this problem. If the GM want to he can play my pc as an npc when I am not around. He can even have it die during that time. Since no good story outcome is garanteed I will just roll with the punches. That's just how I'm going to play.
I won't lurk it but I might join. I will have to talk to the GM privately about my character if I do so.
Your campaign don't have the two problems listed above since it is low level in comparizion. Yet, your campaign seem to be even harder to play in since you seem to play every night, which is not an option for me. I might be able to play on weekends, however. There are many ways to solve this problem. If the GM want to he can play my pc as an npc when I am not around. He can even have it die during that time. Since no good story outcome is garanteed I will just roll with the punches. That's just how I'm going to play.
I'm stoked to play tonight.
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>>114084
I might be delayed 15-ish minutes
Feel free to start without me though. I don't want to spend the whole session teleportating again.
I might be delayed 15-ish minutes
Feel free to start without me though. I don't want to spend the whole session teleportating again.
I'm going to be a bit longer.
Role call my dudes.
Can I start by casting some spells?
I'd like to cast Primal Instinct, Primal Speed, Mindblank, and Traveler's Mount.
I'd like to cast Primal Instinct, Primal Speed, Mindblank, and Traveler's Mount.
Stormwalk should have placed us as close to the crystal as physically possible, under open sky.
A storm would have brewed 10 minutes beforehand on the site of our arrival; intelligent creatures could tell that the storm was magical.
What do we see?
A storm would have brewed 10 minutes beforehand on the site of our arrival; intelligent creatures could tell that the storm was magical.
What do we see?
>>114100
*3/5
The others should hopefully be here soon
Dragons fly across a clear sky, enjoying their day as storm clouds roll in. A few of the more curios ones look interested in this, but most ignore it. Soon the sky is overcast, and even the carefree dragons relaxing in the craters filled with lava look confused by the sudden change in weather.
Crack
Five lightning bolts split the air, depositing a cao, two unicorns, a pegasus, and a kirin in the middle of the rocky land before the clouds disappear.
Many dragons are staring.
*3/5
The others should hopefully be here soon
Dragons fly across a clear sky, enjoying their day as storm clouds roll in. A few of the more curios ones look interested in this, but most ignore it. Soon the sky is overcast, and even the carefree dragons relaxing in the craters filled with lava look confused by the sudden change in weather.
Crack
Five lightning bolts split the air, depositing a cao, two unicorns, a pegasus, and a kirin in the middle of the rocky land before the clouds disappear.
Many dragons are staring.
>>114097
Okay.
Sister casts Mindblank on herself, rendering herself impervious to divination as well as mind-affecting effects. This is a 24 hour duration.
Then she casts Primal Instinct on herself, gaining a +5 competence bonus to Initiative and Survival checks.
Since she is of the Dragonblood subtype, she also gain a +5 insight bonus to a knowledge skill of her choice. Since we're in the dragonlands, I'll pick arcana.
She then casts Primal Senses, gaining a +5 competence bonus to Spot and Listen checks. Since she is of the dragonblood subtype, the radius of her blindsense increase by 10 feet.
Since she has both primal instinct and primal sense active, she gains uncanny dodge, as a barbarian.
THen she casts traveller's mount on Yertle to increase his speed.
>>114099
No u
>>114101
Sister Waves over to the dragons.
"~Youhoo. Sorry to drop in so suddenly."
Okay.
Sister casts Mindblank on herself, rendering herself impervious to divination as well as mind-affecting effects. This is a 24 hour duration.
Then she casts Primal Instinct on herself, gaining a +5 competence bonus to Initiative and Survival checks.
Since she is of the Dragonblood subtype, she also gain a +5 insight bonus to a knowledge skill of her choice. Since we're in the dragonlands, I'll pick arcana.
She then casts Primal Senses, gaining a +5 competence bonus to Spot and Listen checks. Since she is of the dragonblood subtype, the radius of her blindsense increase by 10 feet.
Since she has both primal instinct and primal sense active, she gains uncanny dodge, as a barbarian.
THen she casts traveller's mount on Yertle to increase his speed.
>>114099
No u
>>114101
Sister Waves over to the dragons.
"~Youhoo. Sorry to drop in so suddenly."
>>114101
Topaz smiles sheepishly for intruding so suddenly.
"Greetings."
What about the Earth Poner and Dragon tho?
She bows curtly.
Topaz smiles sheepishly for intruding so suddenly.
"Greetings."
What about the Earth Poner and Dragon tho?
She bows curtly.
>>114111
Oh whoops.
The fact went over her head.
>>114112
>>114113
Phospy is clearly uncomfortable being here around so many dragons, tugging at the unicorn.
"Come on, Phospy," she whispers to him, patting his big head. "You can do it. Do it for me."
These words obviously strengthens the dragon's resolve.
"That's the spirit! Come on, let's follow Ash."
She and Diamond hop on Phospy, which start flying over to Ash and the currently being interrogated dragon.
Oh whoops.
The fact went over her head.
>>114112
>>114113
Phospy is clearly uncomfortable being here around so many dragons, tugging at the unicorn.
"Come on, Phospy," she whispers to him, patting his big head. "You can do it. Do it for me."
These words obviously strengthens the dragon's resolve.
"That's the spirit! Come on, let's follow Ash."
She and Diamond hop on Phospy, which start flying over to Ash and the currently being interrogated dragon.
Yertle is just following sister at a distance like he usually does. He watches closely, lest the mare get herself killed.
>>114120
"He should have been right here 10 minutes ago... I guess I'll have to scry on him again..."
"He should have been right here 10 minutes ago... I guess I'll have to scry on him again..."
>>114122
"Surely you know of one who has been gloating about a magnificent gem they may have stumbled across in the last day or so?"
"Surely you know of one who has been gloating about a magnificent gem they may have stumbled across in the last day or so?"
Sister first casts Lay Of The Land, to find any and all significant landmarks within a 50 mile radius.
>You cast this spell and are surrounded with a nimbus of green light. In your mind, a map unfolds of the surrounding area, showing the cities, hamlets, and known ruins as if penned by a cartographer. The light fades but the knowledge of the map remains.
>You cast this spell and are surrounded with a nimbus of green light. In your mind, a map unfolds of the surrounding area, showing the cities, hamlets, and known ruins as if penned by a cartographer. The light fades but the knowledge of the map remains.
[1d20+58 = 78]
Oh, and while we're here, rolling Spot to see any ancient white dragons on the horizon, in case said dragon was here moments ago.
Oh, and while we're here, rolling Spot to see any ancient white dragons on the horizon, in case said dragon was here moments ago.
>>114128
Skill checks don't crit, but if he's anywhere on the horizon or in the sky, i would've seen him.
Skill checks don't crit, but if he's anywhere on the horizon or in the sky, i would've seen him.
>>114124
"Well if he's as old as you say, he'd know gloating a new treasure would be a great way to put him on a hit list. But please, by all means let me know if you find this gem."
Flames lick from the dragons mouth, and he looks irritated.
>>114126
A number of cave entrances and lairs stand out to Ash, along with some lava pools that seem popular with the young dragons.
>>114127
Although not quite what Ash was gazing for, she does see what appears to be a sparkle at the top of one of the mountains, marked as a lair on her mental map.
"Well if he's as old as you say, he'd know gloating a new treasure would be a great way to put him on a hit list. But please, by all means let me know if you find this gem."
Flames lick from the dragons mouth, and he looks irritated.
>>114126
A number of cave entrances and lairs stand out to Ash, along with some lava pools that seem popular with the young dragons.
>>114127
Although not quite what Ash was gazing for, she does see what appears to be a sparkle at the top of one of the mountains, marked as a lair on her mental map.
[1d20+57 = 65]
>>114131
>lair
Sister Ash blazes in frustration momentarily as she realizes the teleportation spell that was supposed to drop her right on top of her target has instead dropped her half a mile away.
"It's that way. Follow me." she says with a groaning conviction
Rolling Survival to arrive trek there safely
>>114131
>lair
Sister Ash blazes in frustration momentarily as she realizes the teleportation spell that was supposed to drop her right on top of her target has instead dropped her half a mile away.
"It's that way. Follow me." she says with a groaning conviction
Rolling Survival to arrive trek there safely
"Another faulty teleport... That's the second time this week.. and this century..." She mutters as she clambers onto yertle's levitating back
>>114134
Cowe flies off in pursuit, from a flanking defensive position respective to the party (meaning, anyone not on the ground who attacks would have to go through her first)
Cowe flies off in pursuit, from a flanking defensive position respective to the party (meaning, anyone not on the ground who attacks would have to go through her first)
Sister Also uses Invisibility on the whole party for the trip, because why not?
>glances from watch
>to phone clock
>to grandfather clock
>to computer clock
>to big ben
>to nuclear clock
reeeee where are the other two?
>>114140
Veto'd invisibility overrules the glow
>to phone clock
>to grandfather clock
>to computer clock
>to big ben
>to nuclear clock
reeeee where are the other two?
>>114140
Veto'd invisibility overrules the glow
Well, obviously the survival check succeeded.
The only question vis if there was anything to avoid along the way.
The only question vis if there was anything to avoid along the way.
I may as well designate a Word Of Recall, so that we can all gtfo if shit hits the fan.
How about i designate the sanctuary as ye old ponyville?
How about i designate the sanctuary as ye old ponyville?
>>114147
Do you want to be teleported when Sister says the safe word or do you not?
I'm just checking to see if who wants to be included.
Do you want to be teleported when Sister says the safe word or do you not?
I'm just checking to see if who wants to be included.
TIL Psions get Contingency.
Badass. Nothing can kill a contingent-caster.
Badass. Nothing can kill a contingent-caster.
Sister Ash seems almost ecstatic as her eyes gaze across the rugged hellscape of the dragonlands
"It's been so long.. It's as beautiful as ever." She says, levitating across pools of lava
"It's been so long.. It's as beautiful as ever." She says, levitating across pools of lava
>>114157
Topaz looks to the side, somewhat taken aback by Ash's words.
"It looks so... barren and inhospitable. I would certainly not trust my followers alone in this place."
Topaz looks to the side, somewhat taken aback by Ash's words.
"It looks so... barren and inhospitable. I would certainly not trust my followers alone in this place."
>>114159
Sister Ash seems ironically calm
"well, of course not. Your followers are ponies, and this is the home of the dragonkin." She replies
"All lands are beutiful, because they're inhabited by so many different creatures. Evry race has it's place. Every beast has it's habitat. Thus is the harmony of nature." she continues, smiling
"And that, is beautiful. The vulcan tremors, the lavafields, the arcane weather.. they all make this land unique, and it's only because of that that that it could be home to so home to so may of these covetous and destructive dragons. The creatures match the land beneath them, and by that they're all able to live in harmony with the earth, or at least on their terms."
Sister Ash seems ironically calm
"well, of course not. Your followers are ponies, and this is the home of the dragonkin." She replies
"All lands are beutiful, because they're inhabited by so many different creatures. Evry race has it's place. Every beast has it's habitat. Thus is the harmony of nature." she continues, smiling
"And that, is beautiful. The vulcan tremors, the lavafields, the arcane weather.. they all make this land unique, and it's only because of that that that it could be home to so home to so may of these covetous and destructive dragons. The creatures match the land beneath them, and by that they're all able to live in harmony with the earth, or at least on their terms."
>>114160
Phospy flaps his wings a little faster so both Topaz and Ash are next to eachother. She seems conflicted.
"I know. Forgive me. I was quite shocked to hear your words but I forgot you have that connection with dragons."
She smiles sheepishly.
"You are right, though. These dragons, albeit with as much tact as stone, did seem content before we arrived."
Phospy flaps his wings a little faster so both Topaz and Ash are next to eachother. She seems conflicted.
"I know. Forgive me. I was quite shocked to hear your words but I forgot you have that connection with dragons."
She smiles sheepishly.
"You are right, though. These dragons, albeit with as much tact as stone, did seem content before we arrived."
>>114162
"It's their homeland. It's only natural that they'd ind a sort of rugged peace here. This is the place where dragons are free to be dragons."
"It's their homeland. It's only natural that they'd ind a sort of rugged peace here. This is the place where dragons are free to be dragons."
>>114163
Topaz looks solemn.
"Where dragons are free to be dragons..."
Diamonds pats her on the back, changing her mood into a small smile.
"I see. Tell me, what do dragons usually do?"
Topaz looks solemn.
"Where dragons are free to be dragons..."
Diamonds pats her on the back, changing her mood into a small smile.
"I see. Tell me, what do dragons usually do?"
>>114164
"Usually, fight over treasure and scorch things." she says a bit flatly
"But they're a lot more sophisticated once you get to know hem. They're extraordinarily clever, and they have natural affinity for magic."
"Usually, fight over treasure and scorch things." she says a bit flatly
"But they're a lot more sophisticated once you get to know hem. They're extraordinarily clever, and they have natural affinity for magic."
>>114165
Phospy looks at Ash as if she's undermining his features at her first sentence, but recedes when she starts to indirectly compliment hi.
"Is that so?" Topaz says, a bit surprised. "What hobbies you admire of them? Some sort of past time that isn't pillaging or fighting?"
Phospy looks at Ash as if she's undermining his features at her first sentence, but recedes when she starts to indirectly compliment hi.
"Is that so?" Topaz says, a bit surprised. "What hobbies you admire of them? Some sort of past time that isn't pillaging or fighting?"
Maybe I should have animated some statues the previous day, in game...
Oh well, too late for that now.
Oh well, too late for that now.
Maybe a couple Simulacrum clones would be good to have handy. I could make a shadow solar. Would be nifty.
Hopefully, we can get through this session without the wifi cutting out.
>>114166
"I wouldn't say I admire any of their hobbies per say.. It's more of a matter of experience. Dragons are just another part of this world. They're as natural as any one of us."
>>114166
"I wouldn't say I admire any of their hobbies per say.. It's more of a matter of experience. Dragons are just another part of this world. They're as natural as any one of us."
Also, who wants to be teleported if I use word of recall?
I'm not going to burn an 8th level slot to teleport us out of danger if it means leaving half of the party behind.
I'm not going to burn an 8th level slot to teleport us out of danger if it means leaving half of the party behind.
>>114174
Topaz nods.
"Oh, so you simply value their existence in the grand scheme of things. Understandable."
Phospy is a bit bummed out over her words though.
Topaz nods.
"Oh, so you simply value their existence in the grand scheme of things. Understandable."
Phospy is a bit bummed out over her words though.
>>114177
Phospy, understandably, is shocked at the mare assaulting his snout, turning his head away. The small line of steam coming out of his nostrils.
Topaz giggles at the dragons' actions, patting his head.
"Oh, don't be so flustered. She means well."
This doesn't really comfort the dragon's embarrassed demeanor, only increasing the steam output.
Phospy, understandably, is shocked at the mare assaulting his snout, turning his head away. The small line of steam coming out of his nostrils.
Topaz giggles at the dragons' actions, patting his head.
"Oh, don't be so flustered. She means well."
This doesn't really comfort the dragon's embarrassed demeanor, only increasing the steam output.
>>114182
I think I'll set us to teleport to an Island in Thalasia then. No evil creatures could reach us there.
If we need to get back to ye old ponyville, Sister can Planeshift us.
"Humility is better learned young." The nun chides.
I think I'll set us to teleport to an Island in Thalasia then. No evil creatures could reach us there.
If we need to get back to ye old ponyville, Sister can Planeshift us.
"Humility is better learned young." The nun chides.
>>114183
Phospy looks at her indignantly, speaking in Draconic.
>"I'm not a hatchling!"
He grumbles, generating more pats from the mare.
>"I'm an adult."
Phospy looks at her indignantly, speaking in Draconic.
>"I'm not a hatchling!"
He grumbles, generating more pats from the mare.
>"I'm an adult."
[1d20+25 = 39]
>>114184
>"~Sure you are." the ancient mare coos
*Pets dragon*
Rolling Proffesion (masseuse)
>>114184
>"~Sure you are." the ancient mare coos
*Pets dragon*
Rolling Proffesion (masseuse)
>>114185
The dragon coos before biting his tongue, moving away from her soft hooves.
>"C-cheater! I won't fall for your dirty tricks and charms."
Topaz giggles in turn.
"D'aww, look at him. He's acting the same way as when we first met."
Also roger that on the changed destination.
The dragon coos before biting his tongue, moving away from her soft hooves.
>"C-cheater! I won't fall for your dirty tricks and charms."
Topaz giggles in turn.
"D'aww, look at him. He's acting the same way as when we first met."
Also roger that on the changed destination.
>>114186
On second thought, I'm not sure if that's wise.. I'd have to use my planar bubble ability to use it to travel between planes, and I'm still not sure if the party consents to being teleported across the planes yet.
Sister bullies the dragon a bit more before returning to her turtle.
On second thought, I'm not sure if that's wise.. I'd have to use my planar bubble ability to use it to travel between planes, and I'm still not sure if the party consents to being teleported across the planes yet.
Sister bullies the dragon a bit more before returning to her turtle.
>>114187
Ash could swear the dragon's scales got a bit wetter than usual, clenching his teeth in a vain attempt to show weakness against the invading nun.
As she leaves to the turtle, he gasps for breath, letting out a long stream of steam from his nostrils yet again.
Topaz simply giggles at this display.
>>114188
Basically, yes.
Ash could swear the dragon's scales got a bit wetter than usual, clenching his teeth in a vain attempt to show weakness against the invading nun.
As she leaves to the turtle, he gasps for breath, letting out a long stream of steam from his nostrils yet again.
Topaz simply giggles at this display.
>>114188
Basically, yes.
>>114188
So, how many dragons are around here? A few hundred? A thousand? How big are they on average?
So, how many dragons are around here? A few hundred? A thousand? How big are they on average?
"That's not a 'portal'. It's a storm." the nun corrects
"A lot of ponies these days don't know it, but all storms in the world are connected. If you know the right tricks, they can be incredibly helpful."
"A lot of ponies these days don't know it, but all storms in the world are connected. If you know the right tricks, they can be incredibly helpful."
Cowe makes a 'tch' sound. "Spellcasters,..."
>>114226
"Well, not a wandering cloud. I cloud that I called." The nun says, as she levitates ever-forward
"Well, not a wandering cloud. I cloud that I called." The nun says, as she levitates ever-forward
>>114229
Topaz giggles.
"Right. Forgot your weather powers. So we basically became droplets in the cloud until we came here?"
Topaz giggles.
"Right. Forgot your weather powers. So we basically became droplets in the cloud until we came here?"
>>114235
She squints at her
Candy's Eye's becoming as slanted as the Kirin's
"What do you mean by priestess?"
She squints at her
Candy's Eye's becoming as slanted as the Kirin's
"What do you mean by priestess?"
>>114236
"You know. A shrine maiden. An oracle. A mare of faith. Religious duties cover most of my schedule on a centuries basis."
"You know. A shrine maiden. An oracle. A mare of faith. Religious duties cover most of my schedule on a centuries basis."
>>114239
The mare seems almost exasperated by this display of fedora-ism
"You've never even heard of that... really?" she says, incredulously
"Well, I guess my kind aren't exactly the most flamboyant, or the most visible. Members of my sect prefer to keep to our own territories and remain subtle when we can."
The mare seems almost exasperated by this display of fedora-ism
"You've never even heard of that... really?" she says, incredulously
"Well, I guess my kind aren't exactly the most flamboyant, or the most visible. Members of my sect prefer to keep to our own territories and remain subtle when we can."
>>114240
"Nope i mostly stayed at home, studying books and Forging equipment with my Father. I Haven't gotten out much, and when i tried some dragon thing turned me into a beach umbrella. I Would like to know more about your race if you are willing to Share. "
"Nope i mostly stayed at home, studying books and Forging equipment with my Father. I Haven't gotten out much, and when i tried some dragon thing turned me into a beach umbrella. I Would like to know more about your race if you are willing to Share. "
>>114248
"Neither do mine..." She groans
"But I guess there's a first time for everything.. and a second for that matter."
She looks at the cave, seemingly infinitely far away
"That storm should have dropped us a lot closer.."
"Neither do mine..." She groans
"But I guess there's a first time for everything.. and a second for that matter."
She looks at the cave, seemingly infinitely far away
"That storm should have dropped us a lot closer.."
>>114250
""Hmmmmm how are we gonna get all the way over there? i have my broom."
She pulls out her broom of flying.
""Hmmmmm how are we gonna get all the way over there? i have my broom."
She pulls out her broom of flying.
>>114251
"It won't take that long. It's just an annoyance." The nun replies
As soon as player #5 shows up...
"It won't take that long. It's just an annoyance." The nun replies
As soon as player #5 shows up...
I'm going to focus on other stuff for a bit.
Ping me if we're ready to start, if we ever get ready.
Ping me if we're ready to start, if we ever get ready.
While Candy and Ash talk to eachother, Topaz decides to prepare a contingency (psionic) with Greater Teleport, Psionic whenever an attack is about to hit her, costing her 15 XP and 2 power points.
Usual cost is 11 and 15 respectively without the Torc of Power Preservation.
Usual cost is 11 and 15 respectively without the Torc of Power Preservation.
>>114258
I guess I should go ahead and declare some spells at well, since it looks like the game this is cancelled this week since the players couldn't show.
I prepared Bone Talisman enough times to have a surplus of turn undead, invade anypony needs a persistent buff.
Idk if we need Persistent spells though, since a battle won't last more than 15 minutes and I could probably use that to Teleport us to the next gem instead.
I guess I should go ahead and declare some spells at well, since it looks like the game this is cancelled this week since the players couldn't show.
I prepared Bone Talisman enough times to have a surplus of turn undead, invade anypony needs a persistent buff.
Idk if we need Persistent spells though, since a battle won't last more than 15 minutes and I could probably use that to Teleport us to the next gem instead.
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>tfw you built into Divine Metamagic Radiant Servant a with Planning Domain and Persistent Spell and excessive Charisma for turning undead so that your buff spells would last all day, because you expectected that PCs would get dogpiled would multiple hard battles per day without time to rest or plan, but you can't see how effective that'll be because PCs haven't faced an encounter yet all you've gotten to use it for as of now is grant yourself a 2-day insight bonus to Wisdom
I've heard that GM might have to cancel this weekend's session.
In the meantime,does anybody have an idea of what they want to do when we get to the cave? The PCs have plenty of time to discuss, and it'd be awkward if we just charged into the cave of an advanced great wyrm without a plan.
In the meantime,does anybody have an idea of what they want to do when we get to the cave? The PCs have plenty of time to discuss, and it'd be awkward if we just charged into the cave of an advanced great wyrm without a plan.
>>114757
Well, I, personally, think it'd be better to try to negotiate with Mr/Mrs White-tail. I've got a heroic diplomacy mod, and plausibly the means to compensate him/her for the quest item. Murdering what might be the largest dragon in the area is probably not a good idea.
If this wyrm is old/advanced enough, it might be an ascendant dragon, so we could be looking at a low-ranking deity, which has it's own implications.
Sister will purge invisibility with her SLA once we get close to the front of the cave. Invisibility is only helpful in avoiding drawing attention from far-away dragons, since they'll all be able to detect us with scent and blind-sense anyway.
Sister still has ~12-17 hours of Titan Wildshape left since last night. If things get messy, she could try to blind the most dangerous hostile with Blinding Spittle so we can escape with Gate/Etherealness.
>>114779
That seems like a good plan. The question is what to offer an ever-so-covetous dragon in exchange for what may be his/her favorite new addition to his hoard?
Well, I, personally, think it'd be better to try to negotiate with Mr/Mrs White-tail. I've got a heroic diplomacy mod, and plausibly the means to compensate him/her for the quest item. Murdering what might be the largest dragon in the area is probably not a good idea.
If this wyrm is old/advanced enough, it might be an ascendant dragon, so we could be looking at a low-ranking deity, which has it's own implications.
Sister will purge invisibility with her SLA once we get close to the front of the cave. Invisibility is only helpful in avoiding drawing attention from far-away dragons, since they'll all be able to detect us with scent and blind-sense anyway.
Sister still has ~12-17 hours of Titan Wildshape left since last night. If things get messy, she could try to blind the most dangerous hostile with Blinding Spittle so we can escape with Gate/Etherealness.
>>114779
That seems like a good plan. The question is what to offer an ever-so-covetous dragon in exchange for what may be his/her favorite new addition to his hoard?
>>114780
Well... Topaz does have a lot of muns with all the boiz.
If dragon boyo likes quantity over quality, that could work.
Well... Topaz does have a lot of muns with all the boiz.
If dragon boyo likes quantity over quality, that could work.
>>114781
I feel like I'd rather speak of this in-character.
"Dragons aren't always the easiest to negotiate with... They prefer to take what's 'theirs' by force before anything else comes to mind. Still, they're far from unintelligent; and they can even be reasoned with, at times..." Sister says, trailing off for a bit
"Still, i'd prefer not to have anypony be injured fighting over some rock before we even know what to do with it. While that object is clearly magical, we can't know for certain exactly what it is or it it'll be useful to us. If the wyrm who picked it up hasn't eaten it already, that wyrm quite likely has several centuries more experience in handling treasure than any of us. Perhaps they could tell us something, if we're polite." she continues
(No personal bias against fighting over treasure here. Absolutely none at all.)
I feel like I'd rather speak of this in-character.
"Dragons aren't always the easiest to negotiate with... They prefer to take what's 'theirs' by force before anything else comes to mind. Still, they're far from unintelligent; and they can even be reasoned with, at times..." Sister says, trailing off for a bit
"Still, i'd prefer not to have anypony be injured fighting over some rock before we even know what to do with it. While that object is clearly magical, we can't know for certain exactly what it is or it it'll be useful to us. If the wyrm who picked it up hasn't eaten it already, that wyrm quite likely has several centuries more experience in handling treasure than any of us. Perhaps they could tell us something, if we're polite." she continues
(No personal bias against fighting over treasure here. Absolutely none at all.)
>>114782
Topaz stares at Ash surprised.
"Did you not witness its arm disintegrating the moment it even poked the thing? It obviously is a method to stop it, so it should be something that must be acquired to stop the clouds above among anything else this being has under his hoof."
She stares ahead for a bit.
"Or claw. In any case, the idea of talking with the dragon about the artifact is a solid choice before we even try asking to take it."
Topaz stares at Ash surprised.
"Did you not witness its arm disintegrating the moment it even poked the thing? It obviously is a method to stop it, so it should be something that must be acquired to stop the clouds above among anything else this being has under his hoof."
She stares ahead for a bit.
"Or claw. In any case, the idea of talking with the dragon about the artifact is a solid choice before we even try asking to take it."
>>114783
Sister Ash seems unconvinced
"It could be that, or it could just as easily be a trap.. I find the prospect of a beast so casually exposing its weakness to be rather suspicious..." she says through gritted teeth
"That creature has been tainting the global environment with extra-planar contamination for at least two days now.. I underestimated it, taking it for merely one of the Dragons Of Limbo.. If its power truly reaches so far and it's capable of such magic, one might wonder why walking up to it's supposed 'weakness' would be so easy if it could interfere at any time.. Could it be luring us into a trap? A cruel joke? A plot to distract us while it carried out its own plans? It didn't hesitate to distribute those stones right in front of us, afterall..."
Sister looks up at the sky, where the clouds conjured by her Stormwalk are still dispersing
"Our journey has had very little difficulty since this morning.. but that was the second time in my life that I misfired a teleport. If that beast did not interfere itself, then the cause o which may very well be the weave itself unraveling.. Either way, fixing all of this will be more complicated than it seems, and even more tiresome to cleanse the damaged environment and contaminated plane in the long term..."
Sure, I know how he show goes, but Sister doesn't.
Sister Ash seems unconvinced
"It could be that, or it could just as easily be a trap.. I find the prospect of a beast so casually exposing its weakness to be rather suspicious..." she says through gritted teeth
"That creature has been tainting the global environment with extra-planar contamination for at least two days now.. I underestimated it, taking it for merely one of the Dragons Of Limbo.. If its power truly reaches so far and it's capable of such magic, one might wonder why walking up to it's supposed 'weakness' would be so easy if it could interfere at any time.. Could it be luring us into a trap? A cruel joke? A plot to distract us while it carried out its own plans? It didn't hesitate to distribute those stones right in front of us, afterall..."
Sister looks up at the sky, where the clouds conjured by her Stormwalk are still dispersing
"Our journey has had very little difficulty since this morning.. but that was the second time in my life that I misfired a teleport. If that beast did not interfere itself, then the cause o which may very well be the weave itself unraveling.. Either way, fixing all of this will be more complicated than it seems, and even more tiresome to cleanse the damaged environment and contaminated plane in the long term..."
Sure, I know how he show goes, but Sister doesn't.
>>114784
After careful consideration, Topaz nods.
"It could very well be this is all a goose chase, but if there is the slightest chance it's an actual way to defeat that being, then I'm obviously going to try. The sooner we can end this, the better."
She scratches her chin lightly.
"This dragon should have a clue what's in it, too, so he may help in identifying how true is its anti-chaos properties."
After careful consideration, Topaz nods.
"It could very well be this is all a goose chase, but if there is the slightest chance it's an actual way to defeat that being, then I'm obviously going to try. The sooner we can end this, the better."
She scratches her chin lightly.
"This dragon should have a clue what's in it, too, so he may help in identifying how true is its anti-chaos properties."
>>114785
"If that doesn't work, I have a spell or two that could reveal it's properties." Sister replies
"If that doesn't work, I have a spell or two that could reveal it's properties." Sister replies
>>114787
"It never hurts to think ahead. I'll be plenty busy trying to reverse these atrocious weather patterns and banishing any monsters that leaked into this plane."
"It never hurts to think ahead. I'll be plenty busy trying to reverse these atrocious weather patterns and banishing any monsters that leaked into this plane."
*makes snow angels in illusionary snow as the party continues to travel through a seemingly endless pause*
I don’t want to bring up any drama that has been settled, but I suspect that this is an issue which has not been fully resolved and probably never will be. In any event my laptop is broken so I am bored and will type up thoughts I had two weeks ago that were never written. On the issue of Ash being OP, there is a perspective here that no one discussion has the issue has even mentioned nor taken into consideration. And yet, it is the most important perspective of them all: that of the GM.
What I think everyone needs to understand, but perhaps does not understand, is that GMing is insanely difficult. A GM needs to create a world that feels real enough to engage the players and interest them. They need to create a conflict that motivates their players to go forward. The story needs to have a recognizable beginning, middle, and end. In order to avoid the story from being simply bland and predictable, there need to be some twists and turns which are satisfying, set up, not entirely stupid, and not entirely predictable. The GM has to create not a single character like the platers do, but often dozens. These characters need their own peculiarities, motivations, flaws, and participation in the story. All of these are things the players mostly don’t have to deal with, but the GM has to do on top of going to school, working a job, having family and friends and other activities.
But after discussing all of that, we still haven’t even gotten to the most difficult part of a GM’s job: making combat challenging and fun, while keeping the action relevant to the story and setting. The formula to do this is best summarized by the words of the creator of Dungeons and Dragons: “every encounter should have a 70% chance of victory and a 30% chance of death. But it should feel like there is a 70% chance of death and a 30% chance of victory.” Now of course, not every encounter has to be particularly hard or fair, and I am every skeptical that any campaign with a fully 30% chance of death in an encounter would last more than an in game day, but his point remains. Fun in combat comes from facing a challenge, especially a challenge that you feel feel you may not overcome, then overcoming it anyways. The point of Dungeons and Dragons is not being power. The struggle and the challenge is itself the point.
Suffering is not merely an essential condition to a fun and meaningful campaign - it damn near is the meaning. Imagine you have a god like character that can simply snap its fingers, or nod its head, and all conflict is resolved. So it does so. What is the point of that campaign? Where are the heroics? Where is the chance to show off how cleverly you can use your character? And the same is true if the campaign is dragged along through dozens of painless encounters. Such a campaign is boring as well as meaningless. Of course, the same is true of any campaign that is too difficult. Players generally like their characters, and don’t like them being killed. A total party kill often means the end of a campaign. Excessive resurrection reduces the fear of death, thus taking some of the feeling of challenge out of the game, and GM who has to fudge dice rolls or use deus ex machinas to get the characters out of certain death takes away much of the tension and feeling of the consequences of player’s actions from the story.
Obviously, the GM’s duty is to make encounters difficult enough to provide challenge and a credible threat of killing the player characters, without actually ending the campaign or requiring a bending of the rules. All or most of you act or talk about the issue as if you believe that balancing combat is the easiest thing in the world, and that simply ramping up the number and power of spells and elements provides little difficulty to the GM. But that is very far from the truth. Creating balanced and fun combat that provides challenge without killing the party while blending into the story is insanely difficult in dungeons and dragons. This is mostly because of the way power scales. A character with a level of 10 is many times more powerful than one with a level of 5, and a challenge that would kill a character at level 5 will often not provide even much of a fight to one that is level 10. Encounters in Dungeons and Dragons are thus extremely sensitive to even minor changes in the magic and the numbers, and are easily thrown out of balance.
All of these problems are compounded one hundred fold by the fact that this is epic level. You don’t have to play epic level very long to understand that the game was never designed to be played this way, and it certainly wasn’t play tested at this level. The numbers are so high that they fail to register in the human mind and become meaningless. The power of spells is so great that they render even extremely powerful mundane powers meaningless, entirely nullifying most kinds of threats and problems. And then the number of powers increases, meaning the GM must take even more of those into consideration, all the while the number of possible threats to overcome decreases. The classes are flagrantly unbalanced, with some classes (like Druids) being blatantly far more powerful and versatile that other classes. The character levels of players and the CR rating of enemies become meaningless as level increases because the underlying rules are badly designed and not balanced.
What I think everyone needs to understand, but perhaps does not understand, is that GMing is insanely difficult. A GM needs to create a world that feels real enough to engage the players and interest them. They need to create a conflict that motivates their players to go forward. The story needs to have a recognizable beginning, middle, and end. In order to avoid the story from being simply bland and predictable, there need to be some twists and turns which are satisfying, set up, not entirely stupid, and not entirely predictable. The GM has to create not a single character like the platers do, but often dozens. These characters need their own peculiarities, motivations, flaws, and participation in the story. All of these are things the players mostly don’t have to deal with, but the GM has to do on top of going to school, working a job, having family and friends and other activities.
But after discussing all of that, we still haven’t even gotten to the most difficult part of a GM’s job: making combat challenging and fun, while keeping the action relevant to the story and setting. The formula to do this is best summarized by the words of the creator of Dungeons and Dragons: “every encounter should have a 70% chance of victory and a 30% chance of death. But it should feel like there is a 70% chance of death and a 30% chance of victory.” Now of course, not every encounter has to be particularly hard or fair, and I am every skeptical that any campaign with a fully 30% chance of death in an encounter would last more than an in game day, but his point remains. Fun in combat comes from facing a challenge, especially a challenge that you feel feel you may not overcome, then overcoming it anyways. The point of Dungeons and Dragons is not being power. The struggle and the challenge is itself the point.
Suffering is not merely an essential condition to a fun and meaningful campaign - it damn near is the meaning. Imagine you have a god like character that can simply snap its fingers, or nod its head, and all conflict is resolved. So it does so. What is the point of that campaign? Where are the heroics? Where is the chance to show off how cleverly you can use your character? And the same is true if the campaign is dragged along through dozens of painless encounters. Such a campaign is boring as well as meaningless. Of course, the same is true of any campaign that is too difficult. Players generally like their characters, and don’t like them being killed. A total party kill often means the end of a campaign. Excessive resurrection reduces the fear of death, thus taking some of the feeling of challenge out of the game, and GM who has to fudge dice rolls or use deus ex machinas to get the characters out of certain death takes away much of the tension and feeling of the consequences of player’s actions from the story.
Obviously, the GM’s duty is to make encounters difficult enough to provide challenge and a credible threat of killing the player characters, without actually ending the campaign or requiring a bending of the rules. All or most of you act or talk about the issue as if you believe that balancing combat is the easiest thing in the world, and that simply ramping up the number and power of spells and elements provides little difficulty to the GM. But that is very far from the truth. Creating balanced and fun combat that provides challenge without killing the party while blending into the story is insanely difficult in dungeons and dragons. This is mostly because of the way power scales. A character with a level of 10 is many times more powerful than one with a level of 5, and a challenge that would kill a character at level 5 will often not provide even much of a fight to one that is level 10. Encounters in Dungeons and Dragons are thus extremely sensitive to even minor changes in the magic and the numbers, and are easily thrown out of balance.
All of these problems are compounded one hundred fold by the fact that this is epic level. You don’t have to play epic level very long to understand that the game was never designed to be played this way, and it certainly wasn’t play tested at this level. The numbers are so high that they fail to register in the human mind and become meaningless. The power of spells is so great that they render even extremely powerful mundane powers meaningless, entirely nullifying most kinds of threats and problems. And then the number of powers increases, meaning the GM must take even more of those into consideration, all the while the number of possible threats to overcome decreases. The classes are flagrantly unbalanced, with some classes (like Druids) being blatantly far more powerful and versatile that other classes. The character levels of players and the CR rating of enemies become meaningless as level increases because the underlying rules are badly designed and not balanced.
>>114801
You (Ash’s player) at several points causally point out how unbalanced the epic levels are, and even say “CR rating is really a meme.” Well please tell us how in the hell a GM is supposed to create a balanced encounter if CR rating and and character levels are no guide? How is a GM supposed to take all of the many variables into his mind, comprehend all of the numbers, and create combat that is between too easy and too hard? Yes, I know very well that you have at one point explicitly said “it is harder for a GM to design an encounter than it is for a player to counter it.” What I am not as sure about is if you understand the full implications of your own words.
All of this leads into what I think is really the problem with the Ash character being “overpowered.” The problem is not that the character is too powerful, or that it has limits that are too high. In that event, the GM could maybe work around it to design balanced encounters. The problem is that we don’t actually know how powerful the character is or what limits it has. Bare with me please, because the argument I am about to make might be difficult to understand, but I assure you it reflects a real problem. You say that the character is made using abilities, spells, classes, etc from “a few outside sources” or “3-4 books.” I know that the class is from eberron, there’s mention of a spell from the spell compendium, there’s a “tome dragon” which is comes from I don’t know where, there’s fears and abilities from the book of exalted deeds, and there’s surely a hell of a lot more parts to this character comprised from various sources that I have never heard of and cannot name. Really, I can’t even guess the number of sources this character takes powers from. But that’s my exact point. I don’t think anyone here with the possible exception of you could name all of the sources this character takes abilities and spells from, or even count them. And most importantly of all, no one else has read them. We don’t know what all of these powers are, we don’t know what the rules behind them are, and we certainly don’t know how these rules play against each other.
In order for a GM to design a balanced encounter, they need to know what a character is vulnerable to, what powers it has, and how strong it is. In order to do that, he must have a full understanding of the rules. But when you have a character comprised of a unknown number of powers from an unknown number of books beyond the player’s handbook, that GM must now have read these unnumbered additional books, must understand the rules in them, and must hold all of these various rule sets in his mind to understand how they work with each other. Do you honestly think this GM or any other GM you are reasonably likely to encounter has done that? It’s difficult enough just to understand the player’s handbook. Add to that, Eberron, the spell compendium, the book of exalted deeds, and a number of other rule books known but to you and God, and no GM on earth that you are likely to play with has any idea what powers your character has or what kind of abilities you are going to claim. This problem is compounded by the fact that you like to take the rules and abilities from various sources and blend them together in combinations that the writers of these books obviously never anticipated or intended, so you can make your character even more powerful.
The 60 wisdom spell is one example of that, but surely not the only one. The fact is, none of us except for you know how powerful your character is or what powers or abilities you are going to claim. We have absolutely no idea if you are making things up, faithfully following rules, or taking a creative interpretation of the rules, because you are combining rules we don’t understand from rule books we haven’t read in ways that give far more power than each of the rules taken on their own. We don’t know what powers and spells you are going to claim to resolve each new challenge. We only know that every time there has been something vaguely resembling a challenge, you pull out three spells or powers that we didn’t know your character had to instantly resolve it, so we assume you will do that every time, without really knowing what kinds of issues your character doesn’t have an instant-fix spell for.
Of course, even if a GM could know what Ash’s limits were, it would still be extremely difficult to design s balanced encounter for her and several similarly extremely powerful characters. With so many books involved there are hundreds or really many thousands of spells and spell like abilities. There are dozens upon dozens of large numbers that work together. All of this is like an extremely complicated calculus or algebra equation with dozens or even more variables that need to be known, quantified, then factored. And all of this needs to be done not by a purpose-built computer program, but by an all too human GM. How many people can really do that well? Even a computer program running too many variables and too large numbers at once starts to lag, so much the more so fur a merely human GM. And all of that is assuming all relevant variables are known. When a GM doesn’t know the powers and limits of a character - an essential set of variables to the combat equation - solving for X, X being the encounter difficulty, becomes impossible.
You (Ash’s player) at several points causally point out how unbalanced the epic levels are, and even say “CR rating is really a meme.” Well please tell us how in the hell a GM is supposed to create a balanced encounter if CR rating and and character levels are no guide? How is a GM supposed to take all of the many variables into his mind, comprehend all of the numbers, and create combat that is between too easy and too hard? Yes, I know very well that you have at one point explicitly said “it is harder for a GM to design an encounter than it is for a player to counter it.” What I am not as sure about is if you understand the full implications of your own words.
All of this leads into what I think is really the problem with the Ash character being “overpowered.” The problem is not that the character is too powerful, or that it has limits that are too high. In that event, the GM could maybe work around it to design balanced encounters. The problem is that we don’t actually know how powerful the character is or what limits it has. Bare with me please, because the argument I am about to make might be difficult to understand, but I assure you it reflects a real problem. You say that the character is made using abilities, spells, classes, etc from “a few outside sources” or “3-4 books.” I know that the class is from eberron, there’s mention of a spell from the spell compendium, there’s a “tome dragon” which is comes from I don’t know where, there’s fears and abilities from the book of exalted deeds, and there’s surely a hell of a lot more parts to this character comprised from various sources that I have never heard of and cannot name. Really, I can’t even guess the number of sources this character takes powers from. But that’s my exact point. I don’t think anyone here with the possible exception of you could name all of the sources this character takes abilities and spells from, or even count them. And most importantly of all, no one else has read them. We don’t know what all of these powers are, we don’t know what the rules behind them are, and we certainly don’t know how these rules play against each other.
In order for a GM to design a balanced encounter, they need to know what a character is vulnerable to, what powers it has, and how strong it is. In order to do that, he must have a full understanding of the rules. But when you have a character comprised of a unknown number of powers from an unknown number of books beyond the player’s handbook, that GM must now have read these unnumbered additional books, must understand the rules in them, and must hold all of these various rule sets in his mind to understand how they work with each other. Do you honestly think this GM or any other GM you are reasonably likely to encounter has done that? It’s difficult enough just to understand the player’s handbook. Add to that, Eberron, the spell compendium, the book of exalted deeds, and a number of other rule books known but to you and God, and no GM on earth that you are likely to play with has any idea what powers your character has or what kind of abilities you are going to claim. This problem is compounded by the fact that you like to take the rules and abilities from various sources and blend them together in combinations that the writers of these books obviously never anticipated or intended, so you can make your character even more powerful.
The 60 wisdom spell is one example of that, but surely not the only one. The fact is, none of us except for you know how powerful your character is or what powers or abilities you are going to claim. We have absolutely no idea if you are making things up, faithfully following rules, or taking a creative interpretation of the rules, because you are combining rules we don’t understand from rule books we haven’t read in ways that give far more power than each of the rules taken on their own. We don’t know what powers and spells you are going to claim to resolve each new challenge. We only know that every time there has been something vaguely resembling a challenge, you pull out three spells or powers that we didn’t know your character had to instantly resolve it, so we assume you will do that every time, without really knowing what kinds of issues your character doesn’t have an instant-fix spell for.
Of course, even if a GM could know what Ash’s limits were, it would still be extremely difficult to design s balanced encounter for her and several similarly extremely powerful characters. With so many books involved there are hundreds or really many thousands of spells and spell like abilities. There are dozens upon dozens of large numbers that work together. All of this is like an extremely complicated calculus or algebra equation with dozens or even more variables that need to be known, quantified, then factored. And all of this needs to be done not by a purpose-built computer program, but by an all too human GM. How many people can really do that well? Even a computer program running too many variables and too large numbers at once starts to lag, so much the more so fur a merely human GM. And all of that is assuming all relevant variables are known. When a GM doesn’t know the powers and limits of a character - an essential set of variables to the combat equation - solving for X, X being the encounter difficulty, becomes impossible.
>>114802
Imagine what a balanced combat for Ash would look like, in the fantasy scenario that any GM could anticipate what that would be. Ash would be noticeably more powerful than any other character in the party. This means that the same encounter that would challenge Ash would kill the other party members. So the GM has to have all (or a disproportionate number) of the baddies attack Ash, which both would seem kind of forced from a story perspective and naught make the game too easy for the other players since the dangers don’t approach them. Don’t even say “smaller enemies attack the rest of the party while the big ones attack Ash” because we all know Ash would go after the smaller ones just as quickly. And further more, the combat would be really dry and boring. The GM can’t poison Ash or try to mind control her or frighten her or anything like that, because surely there is some spell or immunity for that somewhere. As the Swedish poster so elegantly put it, “Ash cannot be outmaneuvered. Only overpowered.” Raw, brute force. Boring.
Let me tell you what is actually going to happen, given that no GM outside of a small handful on Min-max.net has any idea what Ash’s limits are. The GM is going to stop bothering trying to play by the rules, because there is no way he could possibly understand them. He is going to give up trying to build a challenge for the players - since he doesn’t really know what the player’s capabilities even are - and instead just wait for Ash and possibly the other players to declare an action, and then nullify it with GM fiat. It won’t be players navigating an encounter designed by GM, it will be Player saying “I do this,” and GM saying “nuh uh” or “for reasons unknown, that doesn’t work.” Do you really think that rolling a skill check with an insanely high modifier does you any good? It’s hard enough to think of a good DC for most skill rolls. When you have an unreasonable modifier the GM is instead going to completely ignore your modifier, look at your roll, say you fail if it’s a 5 or below, say you succeed if it’s a 15 or more, and if it’s in between will say whatever helps his story and scene the most. All that time you spent trying to do math and trying to put together spells will be pointless. GM is just going to ignore it.
This has already started happening in the game. At one point, you ( Ash) asked for a two week weather forecast. No reasonable GM is going to actually give you an answer to that question and stick to it. First, they don’t want their scenes to be bound by their answer. They want freedom to improvise. Second, GMs don’t plan their stories that far in advance to that kind of detail. They don’t know what the weather is like when you fight the orcs two weeks before you ever encounter the kingdom that is even fighting the orcs. They do that work later. Thirdly, they know damned good and well that you are not asking for aesthetic reasons or because you’re looking to plan your small talk ahead of time. The weather affects spells or powers, and no GM wants to lock themselves into consequences they didn’t intend. Finally, this is a game with entities that can change weather. There shouldn’t be such a thing as a two week weather forecast. So what did GM do? He nullified the spell. Please don’t misunderstand me, it was executed in an excellent manner that was foreboding, helped to establish the threat, and was completely consistent with the world and characters. But it is unreasonable to believe a GM can be perfect all the time when they have to nullify the player’s actions. Also occurring in this game, Ash tried to teleport directly to the dragon land crystal. That was nullified by having them teleport away from it. Ash has tried to take initiative to act the cult leader first. That was nullified. And dozens upon dozens of spells have been declare, but the GM never even acknowledges them. And the reason he doesn’t s knowledge them is because he couldn’t and didn’t account for them when building the scene and his story, so he writes them out.
All of that is assuming the GM wants to continue playing in a game with a character he does not know the limits of. This is an online game. It is very easy to quit. Simply stop posting. Maybe give an excuse if asked. Or just delay acting if you haven’t decided on quitting, but also find GMing unpleasant. GMs don’t have 40 hours to study your character, then read all of the rules of all of the rule books it is built from, then work out mathematically what the appropriate encounters are. They are human beings with lives too. They have better things to do than to figure out how to make Eberron balanced, a task even the creators of Eberron couldn’t do. They have to understand the powers of all of the players, and design story, characters, world building, set scenes, and so forth. They don’t have the time or inclination to understand your character’s powers to the degree you do.
Imagine what a balanced combat for Ash would look like, in the fantasy scenario that any GM could anticipate what that would be. Ash would be noticeably more powerful than any other character in the party. This means that the same encounter that would challenge Ash would kill the other party members. So the GM has to have all (or a disproportionate number) of the baddies attack Ash, which both would seem kind of forced from a story perspective and naught make the game too easy for the other players since the dangers don’t approach them. Don’t even say “smaller enemies attack the rest of the party while the big ones attack Ash” because we all know Ash would go after the smaller ones just as quickly. And further more, the combat would be really dry and boring. The GM can’t poison Ash or try to mind control her or frighten her or anything like that, because surely there is some spell or immunity for that somewhere. As the Swedish poster so elegantly put it, “Ash cannot be outmaneuvered. Only overpowered.” Raw, brute force. Boring.
Let me tell you what is actually going to happen, given that no GM outside of a small handful on Min-max.net has any idea what Ash’s limits are. The GM is going to stop bothering trying to play by the rules, because there is no way he could possibly understand them. He is going to give up trying to build a challenge for the players - since he doesn’t really know what the player’s capabilities even are - and instead just wait for Ash and possibly the other players to declare an action, and then nullify it with GM fiat. It won’t be players navigating an encounter designed by GM, it will be Player saying “I do this,” and GM saying “nuh uh” or “for reasons unknown, that doesn’t work.” Do you really think that rolling a skill check with an insanely high modifier does you any good? It’s hard enough to think of a good DC for most skill rolls. When you have an unreasonable modifier the GM is instead going to completely ignore your modifier, look at your roll, say you fail if it’s a 5 or below, say you succeed if it’s a 15 or more, and if it’s in between will say whatever helps his story and scene the most. All that time you spent trying to do math and trying to put together spells will be pointless. GM is just going to ignore it.
This has already started happening in the game. At one point, you ( Ash) asked for a two week weather forecast. No reasonable GM is going to actually give you an answer to that question and stick to it. First, they don’t want their scenes to be bound by their answer. They want freedom to improvise. Second, GMs don’t plan their stories that far in advance to that kind of detail. They don’t know what the weather is like when you fight the orcs two weeks before you ever encounter the kingdom that is even fighting the orcs. They do that work later. Thirdly, they know damned good and well that you are not asking for aesthetic reasons or because you’re looking to plan your small talk ahead of time. The weather affects spells or powers, and no GM wants to lock themselves into consequences they didn’t intend. Finally, this is a game with entities that can change weather. There shouldn’t be such a thing as a two week weather forecast. So what did GM do? He nullified the spell. Please don’t misunderstand me, it was executed in an excellent manner that was foreboding, helped to establish the threat, and was completely consistent with the world and characters. But it is unreasonable to believe a GM can be perfect all the time when they have to nullify the player’s actions. Also occurring in this game, Ash tried to teleport directly to the dragon land crystal. That was nullified by having them teleport away from it. Ash has tried to take initiative to act the cult leader first. That was nullified. And dozens upon dozens of spells have been declare, but the GM never even acknowledges them. And the reason he doesn’t s knowledge them is because he couldn’t and didn’t account for them when building the scene and his story, so he writes them out.
All of that is assuming the GM wants to continue playing in a game with a character he does not know the limits of. This is an online game. It is very easy to quit. Simply stop posting. Maybe give an excuse if asked. Or just delay acting if you haven’t decided on quitting, but also find GMing unpleasant. GMs don’t have 40 hours to study your character, then read all of the rules of all of the rule books it is built from, then work out mathematically what the appropriate encounters are. They are human beings with lives too. They have better things to do than to figure out how to make Eberron balanced, a task even the creators of Eberron couldn’t do. They have to understand the powers of all of the players, and design story, characters, world building, set scenes, and so forth. They don’t have the time or inclination to understand your character’s powers to the degree you do.
>>114803
Excuses don’t solve the situation, it is simply a fact excuse or none. You say that Epic levels are already super complicated and unbalanced? That just means that the problem is already bad and really doesn’t need to be made worse. Having cancer doesn’t make being infected with AIDS better, it just makes it worse. You say that there are people on the internet that have read these books and could understand it? I promise you that none of those six people are present here, nor are you likely to ever play a game with any of them. You say that you could have min-maxes you character even more than you already have? That does not change the fact that your character takes too many powers from too many books the GM has not read or know how to work with. You say that Cowe or whatever other players are also breaking the game? That just makes the situation worse, and means that they also need to heed what I have written here. You might say that “it’s only few books” or something. But the fact remains that the Ash character is Frankenstein’s monster of powers and spells from many different sources, and that no one except you knows her limits or exact powers.
And finally, you might say that “GM approved all of this.” That might shift the blame, but blame does not change facts. The GM made a mistake and must either quit the campaign, go back on it, or devote an entire month of his life to reading books to try to figure out what your character can do. GMs are human. They like to be nice to people and to give people what they ask. They falsely believe that when they approve a power from some book, that all they need to do is read the paragraph about that power, without thinking about how that power will interact with every other power. They can be overly optimistic. They can get themselves into bad situations without realizing it. Because GMs have “godlike” powers over the game its easy to not think about them, and just assume that they can handle anything you throw at them. But they are humans just like you, with all of the sane limits to their own abilities and personalities. Please be considerate of them.
You may not know who I am or think I have no right to comment here. But these words, written by anyone else, would be just as true, and I think it’s a perspective that really needs to be taken into consideration.
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Excuses don’t solve the situation, it is simply a fact excuse or none. You say that Epic levels are already super complicated and unbalanced? That just means that the problem is already bad and really doesn’t need to be made worse. Having cancer doesn’t make being infected with AIDS better, it just makes it worse. You say that there are people on the internet that have read these books and could understand it? I promise you that none of those six people are present here, nor are you likely to ever play a game with any of them. You say that you could have min-maxes you character even more than you already have? That does not change the fact that your character takes too many powers from too many books the GM has not read or know how to work with. You say that Cowe or whatever other players are also breaking the game? That just makes the situation worse, and means that they also need to heed what I have written here. You might say that “it’s only few books” or something. But the fact remains that the Ash character is Frankenstein’s monster of powers and spells from many different sources, and that no one except you knows her limits or exact powers.
And finally, you might say that “GM approved all of this.” That might shift the blame, but blame does not change facts. The GM made a mistake and must either quit the campaign, go back on it, or devote an entire month of his life to reading books to try to figure out what your character can do. GMs are human. They like to be nice to people and to give people what they ask. They falsely believe that when they approve a power from some book, that all they need to do is read the paragraph about that power, without thinking about how that power will interact with every other power. They can be overly optimistic. They can get themselves into bad situations without realizing it. Because GMs have “godlike” powers over the game its easy to not think about them, and just assume that they can handle anything you throw at them. But they are humans just like you, with all of the sane limits to their own abilities and personalities. Please be considerate of them.
You may not know who I am or think I have no right to comment here. But these words, written by anyone else, would be just as true, and I think it’s a perspective that really needs to be taken into consideration.
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>>114801
All of these are good points. I've repeated most of them very many times on other RPG blogs and meta channels. 3.5e is broken; it only works if all of the players are consciously good sports.
>>114804
>The GM made a mistake and must either quit the campaign, go back on it, or devote an entire month of his life to reading books to try to figure out what your character can do
I have to ask here, why can't you trust GM to handle his own game? All this time youve repeatedly spoken up on matters that should really be up to the DM to Decide. I prepared this character for 3 months, pinging him countless times to get approval for every step of my build. Even though my character may seem high-op (i think we have a different standard for high optimization though), that doesn't mean I was hell-bent on destroying the game or making it all about myself. Every part of my build and my capacity to play comes from GM approval, and I know very well he can decide to retroactively nerf it whenever it's appropriate, or just tell me not to use it in a certain fashion. It was obvious to me why the weather prediction and teleportation didn't work, and i'm fine with that; I even addressed it in character to imply that my PC wasn't going to try it again.
Just mind that our characters haven't actually entered combat yet, save for 2 shots at discord and a joke battle involving Midnight getting her teats pinched by a crab. That means that all this recent arguing that's occurred about power, optimization or balance that's occurred has been completely hypothetical. Just because my character "could" break the game, that doesn't necessarily mean she will. All epic spellcasters can break a game, any epic character can break a game; epic level adventures only work if all of the players play in good faith and have boundaries and/or know when to hold back; and believe it or not, I know how to do that too.
I like to talk about TO metamechanics a lot, but there a difference between what's build-able in theory and what's practical/fulfilling to play.
And for the record, my PC is not invincible. She'll still die if she takes an enormous amount of damage or fails a save vs a deadly spell. One Mordenkinen's Disjunction is all it takes to rip away all of her passive wards to make her vulnerable to attacks, and the ELH has a monster that can spam that spell 24 times in a row a free action. She couldn't handle a protean that's made itself immune to every kind of attack and split into infinite copies of itself; or at least she couldn't by herself. She'd struggle to fend off against another powerful spellcaster (especially a Wizard or Cleric) who actually used epic items to boost their power, let alone a higher level one. Her hooves would be tied if an entity as powerful as Atropus drifted towards the earth and caused every corpse on the planet to reanimate at once.
If a war-hulking hurler threw a big enough rock at her, she'd go splat. She's just a mortal; even if i built her to try her hardest to struggle through an apocalypse. I made her so that she could solve a wide range of problems and provide protection for very many defenseless creatures; not to be able to kill anything or be impervious to anything instantly, like some minmaxed TO build.
All of these are good points. I've repeated most of them very many times on other RPG blogs and meta channels. 3.5e is broken; it only works if all of the players are consciously good sports.
>>114804
>The GM made a mistake and must either quit the campaign, go back on it, or devote an entire month of his life to reading books to try to figure out what your character can do
I have to ask here, why can't you trust GM to handle his own game? All this time youve repeatedly spoken up on matters that should really be up to the DM to Decide. I prepared this character for 3 months, pinging him countless times to get approval for every step of my build. Even though my character may seem high-op (i think we have a different standard for high optimization though), that doesn't mean I was hell-bent on destroying the game or making it all about myself. Every part of my build and my capacity to play comes from GM approval, and I know very well he can decide to retroactively nerf it whenever it's appropriate, or just tell me not to use it in a certain fashion. It was obvious to me why the weather prediction and teleportation didn't work, and i'm fine with that; I even addressed it in character to imply that my PC wasn't going to try it again.
Just mind that our characters haven't actually entered combat yet, save for 2 shots at discord and a joke battle involving Midnight getting her teats pinched by a crab. That means that all this recent arguing that's occurred about power, optimization or balance that's occurred has been completely hypothetical. Just because my character "could" break the game, that doesn't necessarily mean she will. All epic spellcasters can break a game, any epic character can break a game; epic level adventures only work if all of the players play in good faith and have boundaries and/or know when to hold back; and believe it or not, I know how to do that too.
I like to talk about TO metamechanics a lot, but there a difference between what's build-able in theory and what's practical/fulfilling to play.
And for the record, my PC is not invincible. She'll still die if she takes an enormous amount of damage or fails a save vs a deadly spell. One Mordenkinen's Disjunction is all it takes to rip away all of her passive wards to make her vulnerable to attacks, and the ELH has a monster that can spam that spell 24 times in a row a free action. She couldn't handle a protean that's made itself immune to every kind of attack and split into infinite copies of itself; or at least she couldn't by herself. She'd struggle to fend off against another powerful spellcaster (especially a Wizard or Cleric) who actually used epic items to boost their power, let alone a higher level one. Her hooves would be tied if an entity as powerful as Atropus drifted towards the earth and caused every corpse on the planet to reanimate at once.
If a war-hulking hurler threw a big enough rock at her, she'd go splat. She's just a mortal; even if i built her to try her hardest to struggle through an apocalypse. I made her so that she could solve a wide range of problems and provide protection for very many defenseless creatures; not to be able to kill anything or be impervious to anything instantly, like some minmaxed TO build.
And the preferable shorthand for her would be 'Sister', instead of just Ash. Just calling her Ash implies that it's her name, and it distinctly is not her name, but rather a space-filler that indicates the lack of one.
Muh pronouns.
Muh pronouns.
>>114811
>I have to ask here, why can't you trust GM to handle his own game?
The reason I included that paragraph was because I knew that when I tried to explain that your overuse of supplement books is unfairly taxing in the GM, you would try to say “no, it’s alright because GM approved it.” Lo and behold, what do you say in the next sentence? “The GM approved it, there must be no issue.” You are excusing yourself from thinking about how expanding the rule set complicates already complicated matters. None of this changes the fact that encounter construction can and almost certainly will be an issue. Why do you just trust that you aren’t making things unnecessarily difficult on the GM by using so many books? Is it possible that maybe you could make things easier on him even if he could handle it all, just so things go more smoothly? And is it possible, just vaguely possible, that maybe, just maybe, he did write a check he couldn’t cash?
>Just mind that our characters haven't actually entered combat yet... That means that all this recent arguing that's occurred about power, optimization or balance that's occurred has been completely hypothetical. Just because my character "could" break the game, that doesn't necessarily mean she will
Are you sure you haven’t intimidated him off? Why do you just assume that she won’t break the game? Isn’t the fact that she could worth talking about? Does it need to be proven beyond all doubt before anyone can say “dude, your character sheet is too complicated. Maybe simply it a bit so things are easier for the GM.”
>One Mordenkinen's Disjunction is all it takes to rip away all of her passive wards to make her vulnerable to attacks, and the ELH has a monster that can spam that spell 24 times in a row a free action.
Do you think that such an enemy would be a balanced opponent? My point wasn’t that Ash was unbeatable, my point was that Ash’s make up us so complicated that a GM can’t adequately guess what her limits are, and so can’t create a balanced encounter. An enemy that kills the entire party is as bad or really even worse than an enemy that is effortlessly defeated.
>Her hooves would be tied if an entity as powerful as Atropus drifted towards the earth and caused every corpse on the planet to reanimate at once
Just read what I said above. If saturation and overkill are the only ways to be sure your character would face a challenge, then it’s pretty safe to say it does not have limits well defined enough to construct an encounter which would find that happy and very narrow medium between too hard and too easy.
You say “if a rock hurler threw a big enough rock at her shed go splat.” No shit. That’s why I said “she can be overpowered.” The problem is the difficulty in finding a happy rock size that is high enough to give worry but doesn’t actually splatter her, while having the thrower live long enough to throw it in the first place. That is far more difficult than normal when you don’t know everything the character can do. The GM’s job isn’t to kill the player character, it’s to put them in situations that definitely could kill them but probably won’t.
>it only works if all of the players are consciously good sports
And my position is that you’d be a better sport if you constructed your character out of the player handbook, or at least used fewer additional books. Epic level is hard enough to grasp as it is
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>I have to ask here, why can't you trust GM to handle his own game?
The reason I included that paragraph was because I knew that when I tried to explain that your overuse of supplement books is unfairly taxing in the GM, you would try to say “no, it’s alright because GM approved it.” Lo and behold, what do you say in the next sentence? “The GM approved it, there must be no issue.” You are excusing yourself from thinking about how expanding the rule set complicates already complicated matters. None of this changes the fact that encounter construction can and almost certainly will be an issue. Why do you just trust that you aren’t making things unnecessarily difficult on the GM by using so many books? Is it possible that maybe you could make things easier on him even if he could handle it all, just so things go more smoothly? And is it possible, just vaguely possible, that maybe, just maybe, he did write a check he couldn’t cash?
>Just mind that our characters haven't actually entered combat yet... That means that all this recent arguing that's occurred about power, optimization or balance that's occurred has been completely hypothetical. Just because my character "could" break the game, that doesn't necessarily mean she will
Are you sure you haven’t intimidated him off? Why do you just assume that she won’t break the game? Isn’t the fact that she could worth talking about? Does it need to be proven beyond all doubt before anyone can say “dude, your character sheet is too complicated. Maybe simply it a bit so things are easier for the GM.”
>One Mordenkinen's Disjunction is all it takes to rip away all of her passive wards to make her vulnerable to attacks, and the ELH has a monster that can spam that spell 24 times in a row a free action.
Do you think that such an enemy would be a balanced opponent? My point wasn’t that Ash was unbeatable, my point was that Ash’s make up us so complicated that a GM can’t adequately guess what her limits are, and so can’t create a balanced encounter. An enemy that kills the entire party is as bad or really even worse than an enemy that is effortlessly defeated.
>Her hooves would be tied if an entity as powerful as Atropus drifted towards the earth and caused every corpse on the planet to reanimate at once
Just read what I said above. If saturation and overkill are the only ways to be sure your character would face a challenge, then it’s pretty safe to say it does not have limits well defined enough to construct an encounter which would find that happy and very narrow medium between too hard and too easy.
You say “if a rock hurler threw a big enough rock at her shed go splat.” No shit. That’s why I said “she can be overpowered.” The problem is the difficulty in finding a happy rock size that is high enough to give worry but doesn’t actually splatter her, while having the thrower live long enough to throw it in the first place. That is far more difficult than normal when you don’t know everything the character can do. The GM’s job isn’t to kill the player character, it’s to put them in situations that definitely could kill them but probably won’t.
>it only works if all of the players are consciously good sports
And my position is that you’d be a better sport if you constructed your character out of the player handbook, or at least used fewer additional books. Epic level is hard enough to grasp as it is
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I just want to take this opportunity to point out that I'm being good and letting sleeping dogs lie.
Holy crap, I thought we were over this bullshit.
>>114827
>Isn’t the fact that she could worth talking about?
Literally any epic level vancian spellcaster could break a game using only PHB content. 80% of the most broken/exploitable spells and feats are in the game is in the PHB: natural spell, leadership, Planar Binding, Gate, Simulacrum, Shades, etc. It's a badly written book that released 3 overpowered classes and 5 underpowered classes, and didn't even try to balance them. The entire business model of WoTC was to make n incomplete game and then make money by fixing it with other books.
The only content i took out of other books that significantly increased her power of her build was the Planar Shepherd PrC (which i'll admit is powerful) from Faiths Of Eberron, and the Embrace/Shun The Dark Chaos spells from the fiend folio.
Didn't we all though? Don't tell me you didn't notice that the Swordsage, taken from the Tome Of Battle (the last dying breath of 3.5e in 2007), was significantly more powerful and versatile than the underpowered and lame PHB monk? I can tell you for certain that Your character is far more powerful, versatile, more complicated, and more fun than any boring PHB martial build. If you didn't intentionally make the worst possible choices for your character, you're probably fairly optimized yourself.
I'm not the only optimized one here either. Topaz is about as powerful as a psion of her level can possibly be without abusing infinite loops (see: PunPun). She only uses mostly "core" content because the Complete Psionic was a wet fart of a book and all of the relatively good content (and most of the broken content) is in the PHB.
Candy is an Artificer. That's an Eberron class, like my Planar Shepherd. She probably has feats from Magic of Eberron too, because that's what supports the kind of character she wants to play.
>If saturation and overkill are the only ways to be sure your character would face a challenge
>Do you think that such an enemy would be a balanced opponent?
What i mentioned were 23-27 CR challenges. Elder Evils was a book made to actually challenge epic characters, unlike the poorly-written ELH. The gibbering orb (24-eyed beholder) is in the ELH as well, and is CR 27. A Protean (ELH) can make itself immune to practically every kind of attack and split into infinite copies of itself, CR 25. The restless death is the third stage of one of dozens of apocalypses, not unlike the one that the setting may experience shortly. Allk Epic content is grim-and-gritty Gygaxian style rocket tag where a single unblocked attack means death for a PC or a whole party. Even then, PCs are supposed to win. There's no problem so long as everypony gets a fair number of turns and has fun in the fight.
Heck, i have two backup ideas for this game just in case Sister dies.
>Are you sure you haven’t intimidated him off?
Dude, fuck off with that nonsense. I made a few metaposts here and there, but you're the one who's repeatedly brought up balance arguments and thinking up new reasons why everyone should be concerned about issues that might arise. Even so, it's rather rude of you to repeatedly put words in the GM's mouth.
The game is cancelled this weekend because AnCap is being dragged out of town.
>Why do you just trust that you aren’t making things unnecessarily difficult on the GM by using so many books?
Because he said so. What better authority is there? I took his word for it and have tried my best to be respectful of his story.
All this shit and we haven't fought even one battle yet. Can't you give this a freaking chance and then complain after it's been applied practically? I've barely even done anything but scry and teleport, and I did not have to optimize to do those things.
>>114827
>Isn’t the fact that she could worth talking about?
Literally any epic level vancian spellcaster could break a game using only PHB content. 80% of the most broken/exploitable spells and feats are in the game is in the PHB: natural spell, leadership, Planar Binding, Gate, Simulacrum, Shades, etc. It's a badly written book that released 3 overpowered classes and 5 underpowered classes, and didn't even try to balance them. The entire business model of WoTC was to make n incomplete game and then make money by fixing it with other books.
The only content i took out of other books that significantly increased her power of her build was the Planar Shepherd PrC (which i'll admit is powerful) from Faiths Of Eberron, and the Embrace/Shun The Dark Chaos spells from the fiend folio.
Didn't we all though? Don't tell me you didn't notice that the Swordsage, taken from the Tome Of Battle (the last dying breath of 3.5e in 2007), was significantly more powerful and versatile than the underpowered and lame PHB monk? I can tell you for certain that Your character is far more powerful, versatile, more complicated, and more fun than any boring PHB martial build. If you didn't intentionally make the worst possible choices for your character, you're probably fairly optimized yourself.
I'm not the only optimized one here either. Topaz is about as powerful as a psion of her level can possibly be without abusing infinite loops (see: PunPun). She only uses mostly "core" content because the Complete Psionic was a wet fart of a book and all of the relatively good content (and most of the broken content) is in the PHB.
Candy is an Artificer. That's an Eberron class, like my Planar Shepherd. She probably has feats from Magic of Eberron too, because that's what supports the kind of character she wants to play.
>If saturation and overkill are the only ways to be sure your character would face a challenge
>Do you think that such an enemy would be a balanced opponent?
What i mentioned were 23-27 CR challenges. Elder Evils was a book made to actually challenge epic characters, unlike the poorly-written ELH. The gibbering orb (24-eyed beholder) is in the ELH as well, and is CR 27. A Protean (ELH) can make itself immune to practically every kind of attack and split into infinite copies of itself, CR 25. The restless death is the third stage of one of dozens of apocalypses, not unlike the one that the setting may experience shortly. Allk Epic content is grim-and-gritty Gygaxian style rocket tag where a single unblocked attack means death for a PC or a whole party. Even then, PCs are supposed to win. There's no problem so long as everypony gets a fair number of turns and has fun in the fight.
Heck, i have two backup ideas for this game just in case Sister dies.
>Are you sure you haven’t intimidated him off?
Dude, fuck off with that nonsense. I made a few metaposts here and there, but you're the one who's repeatedly brought up balance arguments and thinking up new reasons why everyone should be concerned about issues that might arise. Even so, it's rather rude of you to repeatedly put words in the GM's mouth.
The game is cancelled this weekend because AnCap is being dragged out of town.
>Why do you just trust that you aren’t making things unnecessarily difficult on the GM by using so many books?
Because he said so. What better authority is there? I took his word for it and have tried my best to be respectful of his story.
All this shit and we haven't fought even one battle yet. Can't you give this a freaking chance and then complain after it's been applied practically? I've barely even done anything but scry and teleport, and I did not have to optimize to do those things.
I'm done arguing here. These arguments are redundant and shit-up the thread.
If you have something to say, dm it to me. If you have a balance complaint, just tell it to the GM directly so he can make his own freaking decisions.
If you have something to say, dm it to me. If you have a balance complaint, just tell it to the GM directly so he can make his own freaking decisions.
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*snow angels multiply*
*fake coyfish jump through fictional water*
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>tfw more scheduling complications
*plucks mistletoe out of mane*