That's right random anon who happens to read this post, it's /vx/'s third DnD campaign!
>What's this one about?
Chaos Ascending is an epic level campaign for DnD 3.5e. It takes place roughly 10,000 years before Celestia and Luna assume rule over Equestria. Technology is at a medieval level plus magic of course.
Equus during this era was a land of peace, the ponies and few other creatures inhabiting Equus living in harmony. The gods of this realm, know to the ponies only as The Unknown Ones, decided that nothing would disturb their harmony and moved on; only granting their power to the most dedicated of ponies. Soon, the ponies' society expanded across the planes. A Utopia was built on its own plane, serving as a hub of travel, politics, and trade. Ponies lived in happiness, nothing to disturb them. It was a land of peace and harmony, but rumors existed. Rumors that there were ponies who thought that harmony was worthless. Ponies who wished to disturb the order of the planes. Ponies who wished to ascend the agenda of...
Chaos...
>How long will it last?
Until I can progress through the entire story, which should take at the most three months of weekend play and about two months at the least, or until Atlas personally smites me. Whichever comes first.
>When does it start?
This is an advance notice so players have time to build characters, ask questions, and seek GM approval. The campaign will start in 2-3 weeks.
>When will we play?
Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. And then only if all players are available.
Here are the guidelines for building a character:
Level: 25
Sources for classes, feats, spells, etc.: Any as long as they are approved. No breaking my game
Wealth: 35,000,000 GP
Stats: Point buy with 34 points at your disposal. Buy your stats then apply racial stats. Here's the calculator I use: http://www.propelled.de/extern/chargen
Races:
Evil characters are not explicitly banned, but chaotic and neutral evil are HEAVILY discouraged against.
Earth Ponies:
+2 Str +2 Con
One maxed out skill related to cutie mark.
Earth Ponies receive Toughness as a bonus feat.
Earth Ponies can hold a two-handed weapon with their maw. Light weapons can be held with hooves.
Pegasi:
+2 Dex -2 Con
One maxed out skill related to cutie mark
Glide: A pegasus of any level can glide when falling at a speed of 40ft, negating all fall damage. This ability takes affect even when unconscious, though the user takes 1d6 falling damage.
Flight: A pegasus can use their wings for flight with a speed of 40ft (good maneuverability) beginning at lvl 5.
Pegasi can use two-handed weapons by holding it with their maw and using a wing to help maneuver the weapon, sacrificing flight. Light weapons can also be held with a wing, sacrificing flight.
Unicorns:
+2 Int -2 Str
One maxed out skill related to cutie mark
Unicorns receive Eschew Materials as a bonus feat.
Unicorns have two "handslots" using the magic of their horn, these extend to 10ft of reach. Two-handed weapons can be used with a unicorn's maw and a handslot or both handslots, either way rendering them unable to focus their magic on other tasks. Light weapons can be held in each handslot.
Crystal Ponies:
+2 Con -2 Dex
One maxed out skill related to cutie mark
Crystal Composition: Crystal ponies can turn their bodies crystalline, invoking different sets of bonuses and penalties. In this form they receive a +3 bonus to AC, and +3 to fortitude saves. As a tradeoff they take a -2 penalty to the following checks: Reflex, Swim, Tumble, Hide, Move Silently. This ability can only be activated 1/day.
Crystal Ponies use two-handed weapons by employing their maw and one hoof to control the weapon. This reduces their speed by 5ft.
Kirin:
+1 Wis +1 Cha
Nirik: A kirin's temper can ignite, making them rash and fierce. 1/day a Kirin can fly into a fury of emotion, turning into a Nirik for 1 round per level. This form grants the Kirin a +4 bonus to attacks, +1d4 fire damage to melee attacks, but invokes a -3 penalty to any wisdom related check or save.
Kirins have two "handslots" using the magic of their horn, these extend to 10ft of reach. Two-handed weapons can be used with a kirin's maw and a handslot or both handslots, either way rendering them unable to focus their magic on other tasks. Light weapons can be held in each handslot.
Bat Ponies:
+2 Wis -2 Cha
One maxed out skill related to cutie mark
Glide: A bat pony of any level can glide when falling at a speed of 40ft, negating all fall damage. This ability takes affect even when unconscious, though the user takes 1d6 falling damage.
Flight: A bat pony can use their wings for flight with a speed of 40ft (average maneuverability) beginning at lvl 5.
Dark vision to 60ft
+2 racial bonus to listen
Bat Ponies can use two-handed weapons by holding it with their maw and using a wing to help maneuver the weapon, sacrificing flight. Light weapons can also be held with a wing, sacrificing flight.
For those looking at the divine classes here's the pantheon:
The Unknown One Above All Earth Ponies
The Unknown One Above All Pegasi
The Unknown One Above All Unicorns
The Unknown One Above All Crystal Ponies
The Unknown One Above All Kirin
The Unknown One Above All Bat Ponies
The Unknown One Above All Dragons
The Unknown One Above All Evil
After the gods of old moved on, their names fell out of common use and slipped from memory. Now known only as The Unknown Ones, their clerics and paladins are often of the same race. Though there are always exceptions to the rules. Domains are not set, except the domains of Death and Evil, which are restricted to The Unknown One Above All Evil.
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>>107531
That's what I would have rolled if we were actually playing. Choose Destiny is s 9th level spell that I can Persist at the beginning of the day in a buff ritual.
That's what I would have rolled if we were actually playing. Choose Destiny is s 9th level spell that I can Persist at the beginning of the day in a buff ritual.
>>107535
Ah huh. You'll just have to explain why your Kirin is using a 9th level spell against a random cowe
Ah huh. You'll just have to explain why your Kirin is using a 9th level spell against a random cowe
>>107537
I wasn't, it was a joke. And it's not a targeted spell, or a 9th level spell. Legend Lore is 5th level.
If we were actually in character I'd just use detect thoughts.
I wasn't, it was a joke. And it's not a targeted spell, or a 9th level spell. Legend Lore is 5th level.
If we were actually in character I'd just use detect thoughts.
>>107539
Ah, Choose Destiny is just a spell she'd persist at the beginning of every day, via Divine Metamagick or the Tome Dragon's Free Metamagick ability (through persistent Shapechange). It helps her avoid being disintegrated by Nat 1's, or missing on important attack rolls. I spent a whole feat just to gain access to that spell.
Ah, Choose Destiny is just a spell she'd persist at the beginning of every day, via Divine Metamagick or the Tome Dragon's Free Metamagick ability (through persistent Shapechange). It helps her avoid being disintegrated by Nat 1's, or missing on important attack rolls. I spent a whole feat just to gain access to that spell.
>>107540
>I'm going to use a persistent 9th level spell to augment a 5th level spell on an otherwise random character, in advance of any actual gameplay
Yeah, no
>I'm going to use a persistent 9th level spell to augment a 5th level spell on an otherwise random character, in advance of any actual gameplay
Yeah, no
>>107543
Exactly. Its OOC. If it were in character, I'd be employing a different strategy, but that strategy would be revealing. Since I'm not obliged to go along with it, I'm not gonna.
>owned
Nigga please
Exactly. Its OOC. If it were in character, I'd be employing a different strategy, but that strategy would be revealing. Since I'm not obliged to go along with it, I'm not gonna.
>owned
Nigga please
>>107543
Divination is a very useful and underrated school of magic. Nobody can keep secrets from a full caster.
Legend lore doesn't even require an actual roll, just a few minutes of concentration. Characters above level 11 are considered to be "legendary", so they always have information that can be divined.
Divination is a very useful and underrated school of magic. Nobody can keep secrets from a full caster.
Legend lore doesn't even require an actual roll, just a few minutes of concentration. Characters above level 11 are considered to be "legendary", so they always have information that can be divined.
>>107552
It was a joke, m8. I'm not actually going to just forcefully reveal all of your character's secrets for no reason.
It was a joke, m8. I'm not actually going to just forcefully reveal all of your character's secrets for no reason.
>>107557
I know it is. Don't worry. I wasn't expecting him to actually answer with your roll.
>>107558
Yeah, and she can also always keep up with follower needs and other PCs with telepathic communication too.
I was tempted to take Divination, Psionic but it was a bit too eh.
Maybe I'll take it, maybe I don't.
I know it is. Don't worry. I wasn't expecting him to actually answer with your roll.
>>107558
Yeah, and she can also always keep up with follower needs and other PCs with telepathic communication too.
I was tempted to take Divination, Psionic but it was a bit too eh.
Maybe I'll take it, maybe I don't.
>>107559
Your believers could allow be really useful if they all roll gather information or knowledge, or all use the aid another action to assist 1 roll. With a herd of hundreds of ponies all covering ground or thinking in a hivemind to answer questions, you could find out the answer to pretty much any question in a week.
Your believers could allow be really useful if they all roll gather information or knowledge, or all use the aid another action to assist 1 roll. With a herd of hundreds of ponies all covering ground or thinking in a hivemind to answer questions, you could find out the answer to pretty much any question in a week.
>>107561
I think you already mentioned this, but I do have at least rank 1 for the level 1s at almost any knowledge skill just for that. Only ones missing is architecture and... religion I think.
I think you already mentioned this, but I do have at least rank 1 for the level 1s at almost any knowledge skill just for that. Only ones missing is architecture and... religion I think.
>>107498
Psst. GM. Is there a psionic-magic transparency?
As in, if I use identify, psionic on a spell, I can know what it is, or dispel psionics to dispell magic.
Psst. GM. Is there a psionic-magic transparency?
As in, if I use identify, psionic on a spell, I can know what it is, or dispel psionics to dispell magic.
>>107586
>>107587
In a default setting, dispel Psionics works on magic and vice versa, unless the "Psionics Is Different" rule is in play (which would be settings like Dark sun, where Arcane magic is special).
As for identification, Psicraft is not Transparent with spellcraft, so you'd need to be a Spellcaster (or at least have the skill) if you wanted to identify spells.
It would work if you had 1 level in Wizard and took Precocious Apprentice to get early entry into Cerebramancer, but that'd be a different build.
>>107587
In a default setting, dispel Psionics works on magic and vice versa, unless the "Psionics Is Different" rule is in play (which would be settings like Dark sun, where Arcane magic is special).
As for identification, Psicraft is not Transparent with spellcraft, so you'd need to be a Spellcaster (or at least have the skill) if you wanted to identify spells.
It would work if you had 1 level in Wizard and took Precocious Apprentice to get early entry into Cerebramancer, but that'd be a different build.
>>107593
Ah, okay. So the powers identify psionics cannot identify spells but the power dispel psionics does work against magic.
Thank you.
Ah, okay. So the powers identify psionics cannot identify spells but the power dispel psionics does work against magic.
Thank you.
>>107594
Psionic Identify isn't really worth learning. Epic Psionic items are going to be few and far between, and even then you could just roll psicraft to determine the school and guess from there.
Same goes for the spell, actually. Difference is that the spell is a waste because it eats a 200 gp pearl.
Psionic Identify isn't really worth learning. Epic Psionic items are going to be few and far between, and even then you could just roll psicraft to determine the school and guess from there.
Same goes for the spell, actually. Difference is that the spell is a waste because it eats a 200 gp pearl.
My family wants to drag me out to a vacation place they rented for the weekend..
I'll try to still play though..
I'll try to still play though..
>>107597
You're safe for now. Game starts on the 12th, which lands on a Monday, which also means the game will start in the 17th
You're safe for now. Game starts on the 12th, which lands on a Monday, which also means the game will start in the 17th
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>tfw cripplechan is kill, so I can't browse the druid/pol/ threads for ideas character thematics
>>107602
I know this is sudden, but should I take both minor and major creation powers?
I'm currently making up the backup character in case Topaz dies.
I know this is sudden, but should I take both minor and major creation powers?
I'm currently making up the backup character in case Topaz dies.
>>107603
No reason to have them both, tbh. You could always have a Dorge of minor creation of you think you'd use it a lot. Psionic Minor Creation is most useful at low levels for making large quantities of black Lotus extract, which is why a lot of Rogues and Assassins take it.
If this character isn't a Telepath, an Erudite could have them both without even needing to choose.
No reason to have them both, tbh. You could always have a Dorge of minor creation of you think you'd use it a lot. Psionic Minor Creation is most useful at low levels for making large quantities of black Lotus extract, which is why a lot of Rogues and Assassins take it.
If this character isn't a Telepath, an Erudite could have them both without even needing to choose.
>>107604
I was going for shaper, so true creation is also an option.
I assume that will essentially mean just have true creation and discard the two other creation feats, right?
I was going for shaper, so true creation is also an option.
I assume that will essentially mean just have true creation and discard the two other creation feats, right?
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>>107605
Idk very much about Psionics, tbh. I just know that Constructer is the best PrC for Shapers.
As for creation feats, idk what they are, so I can't really help you there.
Compensation meme:
Idk very much about Psionics, tbh. I just know that Constructer is the best PrC for Shapers.
As for creation feats, idk what they are, so I can't really help you there.
Compensation meme:
>>107605
True creation costs XP, iirc. You probably don't want it to be your only creation power if you're a shaper.
There's also Genesis, which is amazing.
True creation costs XP, iirc. You probably don't want it to be your only creation power if you're a shaper.
There's also Genesis, which is amazing.
>>107617
I wonder how he'll make the PCs interested in defeating the chaos supporters.
It should be easy, since we're good horses.
I wonder how he'll make the PCs interested in defeating the chaos supporters.
It should be easy, since we're good horses.
>>107619
Even nongood druids have no shortage of motivations to save the world. Be it out of nature of nature veneration, or just being territorial as usual.
Even nongood druids have no shortage of motivations to save the world. Be it out of nature of nature veneration, or just being territorial as usual.
>>107621
An unrelated question: Is making the shaper into a nerd who thinks his powers is all he needs in his life, including having relationships, a stereotype?
Don't worry. I won't go ERP, unless a fade to black is presented.
An unrelated question: Is making the shaper into a nerd who thinks his powers is all he needs in his life, including having relationships, a stereotype?
Don't worry. I won't go ERP, unless a fade to black is presented.
>>107632
Good to know. Just wanted to make sure there's no friction between characters since we have to stick together and all.
Good to know. Just wanted to make sure there's no friction between characters since we have to stick together and all.
>>107688
If you say so.
Good thing he's a backup, then.
Because I can't quite say he's a nice pony to hang with.
At least he doesn't disturb nature.
If you say so.
Good thing he's a backup, then.
Because I can't quite say he's a nice pony to hang with.
At least he doesn't disturb nature.
>>107702
I wouldn't say evil.
More abrasive, know-it-all kind and depraved kind of unlikable.
I'd still say it's worth of newt transformation tho.
I wouldn't say evil.
More abrasive, know-it-all kind and depraved kind of unlikable.
I'd still say it's worth of newt transformation tho.
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>>107721
Poor little thing.
It would be funny to mind change between Topaz and an unsuspecting dragon.
Too bad it doesn't allow it.
Poor little thing.
It would be funny to mind change between Topaz and an unsuspecting dragon.
Too bad it doesn't allow it.
>>107729
Pretty sure Mind Switch still works on dragons.
I'd personally prefer learning to transform my PCs body though, rather than just possess another. That way my druid can always return to her own adorable form :3.
Pretty sure Mind Switch still works on dragons.
I'd personally prefer learning to transform my PCs body though, rather than just possess another. That way my druid can always return to her own adorable form :3.
>>107755
In theory, Topaz can also do that, since it isn't a true mind switch where she has to recast it again to go back, so she can return to her pretty form again too, and if she wants her body still after taking it from another being, she can always have her body tied up in case it's hostile and have it as a backup since mind switch becomes permanent if Topaz's body dies.
In theory, Topaz can also do that, since it isn't a true mind switch where she has to recast it again to go back, so she can return to her pretty form again too, and if she wants her body still after taking it from another being, she can always have her body tied up in case it's hostile and have it as a backup since mind switch becomes permanent if Topaz's body dies.
>>107756
Forget about that last part, because the spell kills both participant if one of the bodies dies.
Only true mind switch allows for permanent takeover of the body.
Forget about that last part, because the spell kills both participant if one of the bodies dies.
Only true mind switch allows for permanent takeover of the body.
>>107758
As expected from having such a power.
Honestly, I don't think Topaz has the will to take over somepony else's body.
As expected from having such a power.
Honestly, I don't think Topaz has the will to take over somepony else's body.
I found an epic progression for Thrallherd. Could prove interesting:
http://blackmarches.wikidot.com/epic-thrallherd
https://www.rpgcrossing.com/showthread.php?t=52504
The general rule for making epic progressions for prestige classes in the Complete Arcane and the Complete Psionic (not a good book, but still) is to progress class features arithmetically while giving the class a bonus feat every couple levels. This class basically gives the Thrallherd equivalent to Epic Leadership and Legendary Commander, which would otherwise be inaccessible.
http://blackmarches.wikidot.com/epic-thrallherd
https://www.rpgcrossing.com/showthread.php?t=52504
The general rule for making epic progressions for prestige classes in the Complete Arcane and the Complete Psionic (not a good book, but still) is to progress class features arithmetically while giving the class a bonus feat every couple levels. This class basically gives the Thrallherd equivalent to Epic Leadership and Legendary Commander, which would otherwise be inaccessible.
>>107760
If I'm reading this correctly, if I were to, say, only have Psion 5 / Epic Thrallherd 20, I would still have a manifester level of 23, the same amount of powers known and power points, as well as some extra class features?
I really need to confirm this before I try it.
If I'm reading this correctly, if I were to, say, only have Psion 5 / Epic Thrallherd 20, I would still have a manifester level of 23, the same amount of powers known and power points, as well as some extra class features?
I really need to confirm this before I try it.
>>107761
Since it's an epic progression, it wouldn't be available until level 20.
You could do:
>10 Telepath, 10 Thrallherd, 5 epic Thrallherd.
OR
>5 Telepath, 5 "other psionic prestige class", 10 Thrallherd, 5 Epic Thrallherd.
They point of the class is that it gives you a chance to continue growing your herd, in addition to giving you leadership feat-equivalents you may not otherwise be able to possess:
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Epic_Leadership
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Legendary_Commander
Since it's an epic progression, it wouldn't be available until level 20.
You could do:
>10 Telepath, 10 Thrallherd, 5 epic Thrallherd.
OR
>5 Telepath, 5 "other psionic prestige class", 10 Thrallherd, 5 Epic Thrallherd.
They point of the class is that it gives you a chance to continue growing your herd, in addition to giving you leadership feat-equivalents you may not otherwise be able to possess:
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Epic_Leadership
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Legendary_Commander
>>107763
Ok, so I won't reach the threefold master, which I secretly thank because it means creating yet another thrall for the game.
So I get epic leadership, which pushes up my leadership score up to 41, which allows for even more followers.
If my power point amount and powers known remains the same with these changes, I think I'll go for it.
Still have to tweak the believers again,
since their max level is now 9
Ok, so I won't reach the threefold master, which I secretly thank because it means creating yet another thrall for the game.
So I get epic leadership, which pushes up my leadership score up to 41, which allows for even more followers.
If my power point amount and powers known remains the same with these changes, I think I'll go for it.
Still have to tweak the believers again,
since their max level is now 9
>>107766
You could get the threefold master by lvl 30, which we may reach if we're graced.
The first link is the one you want, btw.
You could get the threefold master by lvl 30, which we may reach if we're graced.
The first link is the one you want, btw.
>>107767
I have all of the links open, so no worries.
I'll go with unchanged power points and powers known.
I have all of the links open, so no worries.
I'll go with unchanged power points and powers known.
>>107769
Too bad the complete psionic was such a bad book.. It's hard to find good stuff in there..
At least the Expanded Psionics handbook was pretty good, and easy to build on.
Too bad the complete psionic was such a bad book.. It's hard to find good stuff in there..
At least the Expanded Psionics handbook was pretty good, and easy to build on.
>>107771
I have just realized that my thrall needs a level up, too.
I'm thankful the game starts later.
I have just realized that my thrall needs a level up, too.
I'm thankful the game starts later.
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>>107766
>which pushes up my leadership score up to 41
Th-that's a small country...
And You should have 3 or more 10th level followers.
At this point, you could even have believers that are themselves thrallherds.
>which pushes up my leadership score up to 41
Th-that's a small country...
And You should have 3 or more 10th level followers.
At this point, you could even have believers that are themselves thrallherds.
>>107773
And you know what else changes? I think I can actually go for a young adult/adult dragon now and improve the psiwarrior even further.
I am quite scared to go for that, honestly. It may make the game too easy, as well as having more chances for Topaz to be sad at possible lives lost.
And you know what else changes? I think I can actually go for a young adult/adult dragon now and improve the psiwarrior even further.
I am quite scared to go for that, honestly. It may make the game too easy, as well as having more chances for Topaz to be sad at possible lives lost.
>>107774
Nah, if it's anyone it should be me who chose the strongest possible PrC for Druids built around the capability to apply Persistent Spell to Shapechange...
THE Draconomicon has several good prestige classes exclusively for dragons, btw. Bloodscaled Fury is a good one for melee attackers.
I think the Improved Cohort feat may also apply to thralls under the "feat equivalents" clause in the ELH.
Nah, if it's anyone it should be me who chose the strongest possible PrC for Druids built around the capability to apply Persistent Spell to Shapechange...
THE Draconomicon has several good prestige classes exclusively for dragons, btw. Bloodscaled Fury is a good one for melee attackers.
I think the Improved Cohort feat may also apply to thralls under the "feat equivalents" clause in the ELH.
>>107775
I honestly just want to reach great wyrm status with the dragon. It would be fun to play with.
And dab on them fire peeps with hot water.
I honestly just want to reach great wyrm status with the dragon. It would be fun to play with.
And dab on them fire peeps with hot water.
>>107773
With Metaconcert, Feat Leech and Thieving Mindlink, that could be a infinite pool of cooperative powers and power-points and psionic feats to manifest with.
With Metaconcert, Feat Leech and Thieving Mindlink, that could be a infinite pool of cooperative powers and power-points and psionic feats to manifest with.
>>107774
Your GM would appreciate you not commanding a small country to flood his campaign with, plz thx.
Your GM would appreciate you not commanding a small country to flood his campaign with, plz thx.
>>107784
I for one welcome a character mind-controlling an entire army, under a pretense of "not Evil"
I for one welcome a character mind-controlling an entire army, under a pretense of "not Evil"
>>107785
An epic Telepath/Thrallherd sounds pretty awesome in that respect. The herd could be made up of virtually every pony in the setting with innate Psionic talent, all joined together by their connection to the overmind.
Literally the Princess of Psions.
An epic Telepath/Thrallherd sounds pretty awesome in that respect. The herd could be made up of virtually every pony in the setting with innate Psionic talent, all joined together by their connection to the overmind.
Literally the Princess of Psions.
>>107788
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY DIDN'T HAVE WATERMARKS WHEN I SAVED THEM
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY DIDN'T HAVE WATERMARKS WHEN I SAVED THEM
>>107788
The last one is the most accurate by far in this case, tbh.
The last one is the most accurate by far in this case, tbh.
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I think a lawful good thrallherd is unique and interesting. The class itself doesn't have any alignment restriction. Mindbender. If you consider the fact that NPCs are uber-ancient characters who would've practically invented their respective classes, the strongest Telepath in the realmspace could be like a psionic prophet, gathering the psionically gifted from among the mind-blind. I think there was a good NPC Psion who did a similar thing in Dark Sun.
There's lots of ways to fluff it:
> "Those who follow me do so out of the knowledge that justice is not attained through idle hands. I do not question why they come to aid me; instead, I ask why others have stayed behind."
> "I see your thoughts, and they are impure. Come, let me help you cleanse them."
> "You ask yourself if you have the strength to fight this evil. Lean on my strength instead."
> "The gods have seen fit to grant me these abilities. If I am unworthy, I pray they shall strip them from me."
> "Those who cannot think have no use for fear. Without fear, evil is robbed of its greatest strength. Every thrall made is a hammer blow against evil."
> "Penance requires action. Others would kill my thralls for their misdeeds, for they could never be trusted to hold to the ways of law and goodness; instead, I give them a chance to serve a greater justice than they could ever know. And with the passage of time, when my will becomes theirs, perhaps true atonement can come at last."
> "My legion is a better teacher than any prison. What cannot be taught through pain is taught through love."
There's lots of ways to fluff it:
> "Those who follow me do so out of the knowledge that justice is not attained through idle hands. I do not question why they come to aid me; instead, I ask why others have stayed behind."
> "I see your thoughts, and they are impure. Come, let me help you cleanse them."
> "You ask yourself if you have the strength to fight this evil. Lean on my strength instead."
> "The gods have seen fit to grant me these abilities. If I am unworthy, I pray they shall strip them from me."
> "Those who cannot think have no use for fear. Without fear, evil is robbed of its greatest strength. Every thrall made is a hammer blow against evil."
> "Penance requires action. Others would kill my thralls for their misdeeds, for they could never be trusted to hold to the ways of law and goodness; instead, I give them a chance to serve a greater justice than they could ever know. And with the passage of time, when my will becomes theirs, perhaps true atonement can come at last."
> "My legion is a better teacher than any prison. What cannot be taught through pain is taught through love."
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>>107796
>not a compliment
>no spoilers
Well, if you dislike it, the least you could do is try to be constructive.
>not a compliment
>no spoilers
Well, if you dislike it, the least you could do is try to be constructive.
>>107798
Hm...
While I'm not directly taking it for Topaz exactly, I think I know how her father would've said in order for her to pursue this exact purpose, coated in a layer of sugar, of course.
>"Travel the world, my filly, and make a lot of strong friends."
>"Lend your hoof even to the bad pony and help him or her grow out of her evil nature."
>"Why do ponies follow you? It is simple, my filly: You are a shining light in this world, and you are destined to grant it harmony."
>"Do not be afraid of taking away the freedom of others when they act irrationaly. Someponies need help to control their urges."
Something along those lines.
Hm...
While I'm not directly taking it for Topaz exactly, I think I know how her father would've said in order for her to pursue this exact purpose, coated in a layer of sugar, of course.
>"Travel the world, my filly, and make a lot of strong friends."
>"Lend your hoof even to the bad pony and help him or her grow out of her evil nature."
>"Why do ponies follow you? It is simple, my filly: You are a shining light in this world, and you are destined to grant it harmony."
>"Do not be afraid of taking away the freedom of others when they act irrationaly. Someponies need help to control their urges."
Something along those lines.
>>107807
Well to be frank, just randomly implying that you dislike somebody else's character to a degree you had to say something about it, with no further constructive comments or criticisms that could be helpful in the adventure that you allegedly want to take part in, is rather rude, tbh.
>>107808
Plausible.
Well to be frank, just randomly implying that you dislike somebody else's character to a degree you had to say something about it, with no further constructive comments or criticisms that could be helpful in the adventure that you allegedly want to take part in, is rather rude, tbh.
>>107808
Plausible.
>>107809
He's just scared I'll take away his capacity to control his character and make it do things he doesn't want to.
It's normal to be afraid of something it can easily control you forever.
He's just scared I'll take away his capacity to control his character and make it do things he doesn't want to.
It's normal to be afraid of something it can easily control you forever.
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>>107876
You should by lvl 41 leadership.
You can also use a Charisma-boosting item to increase your effective leadership score.
You should by lvl 41 leadership.
You can also use a Charisma-boosting item to increase your effective leadership score.
>>107890
Oh lel.
That is a footnote which stated how gaining followers further is half of the previous one, except the first level ones, which is a tenth.
>>107892
Wait, I thought they were gloves.
Oh lel.
That is a footnote which stated how gaining followers further is half of the previous one, except the first level ones, which is a tenth.
>>107892
Wait, I thought they were gloves.
>>107893
There are many items that boost Charisma
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Cloak_of_Epic_Charisma
There are many items that boost Charisma
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Cloak_of_Epic_Charisma
>>107896
Already have it, so no worries.
>implying I have a shortage of money
Not even close, my dudereeno.
Already have it, so no worries.
>implying I have a shortage of money
Not even close, my dudereeno.
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>>107900
Bracers of Epic Health would do that.
I'll consider it.
But hotdamn, dealing with small changes in my character makes me hollow inside.
Bracers of Epic Health would do that.
I'll consider it.
But hotdamn, dealing with small changes in my character makes me hollow inside.
>>107912
Tell me about it. I've stated at this sheet for hours every day tweeking things. I'm already considering replacing Assume Supernatural Ability with something else.
Tell me about it. I've stated at this sheet for hours every day tweeking things. I'm already considering replacing Assume Supernatural Ability with something else.
>>107931
Oh! By the way, follower count increased to about 2100 or something along those numbers.
Can't be asked to open up the believer tab again.
Oh! By the way, follower count increased to about 2100 or something along those numbers.
Can't be asked to open up the believer tab again.
>>107958
Sadly, the believers are nomads so that won't work. Otherwise, I'll have to go back and edit, which I'm currently not enthusiastic on doing.
Sadly, the believers are nomads so that won't work. Otherwise, I'll have to go back and edit, which I'm currently not enthusiastic on doing.
>>107962
You could probably get them to be Thrallherds anyway with Expanded Knowledge.
The real reason why not to is that it would be a bookkeeping nightmare and ludicrously cheesey. I was being ironic when I suggested it.
You could probably get them to be Thrallherds anyway with Expanded Knowledge.
The real reason why not to is that it would be a bookkeeping nightmare and ludicrously cheesey. I was being ironic when I suggested it.
>>107984
I honestly wasn't really pumped into doing it, anyways.
My brain is fried from changing the items, powers and psipoints.
I honestly wasn't really pumped into doing it, anyways.
My brain is fried from changing the items, powers and psipoints.
>>107987
Inventory is a bitch. Going over to make sure you've got all of your immunities checked off is tedious.
It's part of why I said screw it and built with VoP even though it's sub-optimal. I'll just get all of my immunities from spells, and it's not like an Epic Planar Shepherd needs to be more powerful.
Inventory is a bitch. Going over to make sure you've got all of your immunities checked off is tedious.
It's part of why I said screw it and built with VoP even though it's sub-optimal. I'll just get all of my immunities from spells, and it's not like an Epic Planar Shepherd needs to be more powerful.
>>107991
It is, and I'm pretty sure I have to do exactly that.
I only hope all of this setup is worth it later.
It is, and I'm pretty sure I have to do exactly that.
I only hope all of this setup is worth it later.
>>108000
Item's can be ~80% of your characters' power if you select properly. The 3.5e items system is pretty borderline broken with how inflated it is with treasure.
I wouldn't worry about it too much though. Just get some dorjes for useful powers that aren't on your list, and a few power crystals you think might come in handy. That I'm addition to the stat-boosting items, and maybe a few Wonderous magic items or rings for utility to help.
I'm partial to Nozure's Marvelous Pigments, although idk how useful nonmagical creations would be in an epic adventure.
Item's can be ~80% of your characters' power if you select properly. The 3.5e items system is pretty borderline broken with how inflated it is with treasure.
I wouldn't worry about it too much though. Just get some dorjes for useful powers that aren't on your list, and a few power crystals you think might come in handy. That I'm addition to the stat-boosting items, and maybe a few Wonderous magic items or rings for utility to help.
I'm partial to Nozure's Marvelous Pigments, although idk how useful nonmagical creations would be in an epic adventure.
>>108005
I'm not sure about dorjes, so I didn't even touch them.
Nevertheless, I have all the powers I could need.
I'm not sure about dorjes, so I didn't even touch them.
Nevertheless, I have all the powers I could need.
>>108012
Dorjes are crystal ride that are essentially the Psionic equivalent to wands. You can use powers you wouldn't otherwise have with them, and they're also batteries for spare power points.
Dorjes are crystal ride that are essentially the Psionic equivalent to wands. You can use powers you wouldn't otherwise have with them, and they're also batteries for spare power points.
*crystal rods
>>108014
I honestly don't care. My apathy levels are quite high for the day.
I'll stick with the current inventory.
Don't worry. Not your fault. I appreciate your help.
I honestly don't care. My apathy levels are quite high for the day.
I'll stick with the current inventory.
Don't worry. Not your fault. I appreciate your help.
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>>108122
Is he really chaotic neutral, like those random rogues who kill most people and steal everything without a care in the world and justify it as 'that is what my character would do' thing?
Is he really chaotic neutral, like those random rogues who kill most people and steal everything without a care in the world and justify it as 'that is what my character would do' thing?
>>108123
Nah, rogues like that are a dime a dozen. Even I've played one.
More like "I to turn myself into a god by killing the goddess of magic, resulting in the complete and utter destruction of my country".
There was a time when magic was different. Non-epic Spells (or "mythals") didn't always cap at 9th level; Mages didn't always have a limited number of Spells per day. Then one cocky jackass lvl 40 Arcanist decided he'd try to steal the powers of the goddess of magic (and actually succeeded), although he didn't take into account the possibility of all magic in the universe disappearing momentarily after the overthrew her. Then her reincarnation decided to nerf magic as a concept.
I finally finished reading list Empires Of Faerun. Good book. Found some nice guidelines for epic Spellcasting
Nah, rogues like that are a dime a dozen. Even I've played one.
More like "I to turn myself into a god by killing the goddess of magic, resulting in the complete and utter destruction of my country".
There was a time when magic was different. Non-epic Spells (or "mythals") didn't always cap at 9th level; Mages didn't always have a limited number of Spells per day. Then one cocky jackass lvl 40 Arcanist decided he'd try to steal the powers of the goddess of magic (and actually succeeded), although he didn't take into account the possibility of all magic in the universe disappearing momentarily after the overthrew her. Then her reincarnation decided to nerf magic as a concept.
I finally finished reading list Empires Of Faerun. Good book. Found some nice guidelines for epic Spellcasting
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>>108271
That's already a thing, or so it seems.
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Nailed_to_the_Sky
Points for style. It just yeets them into space. I'm fully capable of developing that, although idk how useful it'd be.
That's already a thing, or so it seems.
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Nailed_to_the_Sky
Points for style. It just yeets them into space. I'm fully capable of developing that, although idk how useful it'd be.
>fight Epic Wizard
>He just yeets you into space
>He just yeets you into space
>>108279
Hm. What about a spell to make you so shiny it blinds anyone for some turns, reducing hit chance to -20 or something.
Hm. What about a spell to make you so shiny it blinds anyone for some turns, reducing hit chance to -20 or something.
>>108288
I have a 4th level non-epic spell for that: Blinding Beauty.
It'd be easy to cook up a spell that just instantly kills any creature with s 70-something save, or a spell that buffs me to god-like levels; but I wanna write something original. I'll probably just take some pre-written spells and write my original spell within the actual story. I'll think of something when the story calls for it.
Maybe I could just take the pre-written spells that fit the Druid Aesthetic, like Verdegris, Crown Of Vermin, or Part Waters.
I have a 4th level non-epic spell for that: Blinding Beauty.
It'd be easy to cook up a spell that just instantly kills any creature with s 70-something save, or a spell that buffs me to god-like levels; but I wanna write something original. I'll probably just take some pre-written spells and write my original spell within the actual story. I'll think of something when the story calls for it.
Maybe I could just take the pre-written spells that fit the Druid Aesthetic, like Verdegris, Crown Of Vermin, or Part Waters.
>>108298
Idk. Something that does something I couldn't normally do. I was considering just developing the Time Travel spell for versitile story utility, or something with the Metamorphosis seed to halt my aging gradually increase my powers. I think I'll just wait and see how many I can develop before I actually do something.
Normally, how many spells I could have already developed would have been dependent on the material cost to develop them coming out of my WBL, but i've got VoP and ignore material components, so it's kind of special in my case.
I'm on vacation anyway. I should probably wait until I'm home.
Idk. Something that does something I couldn't normally do. I was considering just developing the Time Travel spell for versitile story utility, or something with the Metamorphosis seed to halt my aging gradually increase my powers. I think I'll just wait and see how many I can develop before I actually do something.
Normally, how many spells I could have already developed would have been dependent on the material cost to develop them coming out of my WBL, but i've got VoP and ignore material components, so it's kind of special in my case.
I'm on vacation anyway. I should probably wait until I'm home.
>>108313
Uh sorry, busy night last night.
Nah, y'all got until next Friday.
You hear that person lurking and wanting to play? You got time, get over here.
Uh sorry, busy night last night.
Nah, y'all got until next Friday.
You hear that person lurking and wanting to play? You got time, get over here.
>>108347
Good. I've had surprise business the past few days and I haven't had time to finish my character, and I thought this weekend was the game start
Good. I've had surprise business the past few days and I haven't had time to finish my character, and I thought this weekend was the game start
>>108347
Oh phew. I was getting a little worried.
Thank god, because I still have to properly tweak a lot of things related to the changes I've made so far.
Oh phew. I was getting a little worried.
Thank god, because I still have to properly tweak a lot of things related to the changes I've made so far.
>>108574
I meant with unicorn horn Telekinesis.
Also, would that considered to be a spell-like ability or a Supernatural Ability? I want to know for the sake of concentration and AoOs, and if I can use it to hold a Divine focus while casting a spell (since I need at least 1 free front good for somatic components, and my mouth free for verbal components).
Depending on the details, I may sub Assume Supernatural Ability with Intuitive Attack, or Supernatural Transformation.
I meant with unicorn horn Telekinesis.
Also, would that considered to be a spell-like ability or a Supernatural Ability? I want to know for the sake of concentration and AoOs, and if I can use it to hold a Divine focus while casting a spell (since I need at least 1 free front good for somatic components, and my mouth free for verbal components).
Depending on the details, I may sub Assume Supernatural Ability with Intuitive Attack, or Supernatural Transformation.
*at least 1 free front hoof
>>108758
Noted.
I'm probably going to swap Assume Supernatural Ability for Bonus Domain (Magick), which would have been subbed for an exalted feat via the Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle method.
Noted.
I'm probably going to swap Assume Supernatural Ability for Bonus Domain (Magick), which would have been subbed for an exalted feat via the Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle method.
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I am at last back from vacation.
>>108980
Same. I still haven't started that Elephant, and I'm unsure what I want to trade Assume Supernatural Ability for.
Same. I still haven't started that Elephant, and I'm unsure what I want to trade Assume Supernatural Ability for.
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>>108984
Well, where do i start..
One of my recent characters was a certain misanthropic Lawful Neutral Warforged Artificer, and the bookkeeping gave me a headache even though I only made it to lvl 4. Artificer is decidedly the most difficult and demanding class to play in all of 3.5e (and thus all of D&D), because there's so many factors to take into account that can't be ignored or done casually because streamlining any part of it practically amounts to cheating through negligence or screwing yourself, or both. I've chatted with players who used excel spreadsheets in place of regular character sheets. It also requires a lot of planning ahead and communicating with the DM to play smoothly. You could say it's a complex class for players who think Wizards, Archivists and Erudites aren't nerdy enough for them.
I do appreciate the class though; it's a beautiful concept, and it's capable of a lot of different thinks (it can get close to "tier 0" if you optimize). I had lots of fun, but after learning everything there was to know about items, i left with a subtle loathing of the D&D item system, which i can confidently declare to be broken and a mess. I made a VoP druid just because that's the impact it had on me, even though the right items would absolutely make my character twice as powerful.
I really can't say. I would hope that he's already mostly finished and just in the process of finishing up his equipment list. I hope he included a few dedicated wrights in his inventory, because epic items take years to craft.
What can say is that an artificer doesn't take nearly as much effort to prepare as it does to play, since your crafting mechanics don't factor into your starting equipment; the real crunch begins once you want to start crafting items, or when you're laying out all the individual flasks of magical oil for your Weapon Augmentation infusions. All the artificer needs to start is to pick the right feats (and not fall for traps like Exceptional Artisan), buy a bunch of staffs, scrolls and other consumable items, pick a nice set of armor, make a chart to manage inventory and leave the rest for crafting.
With all that being said, maybe my opinions may be biased by my tendency to take everything seriously, but Artificer does indeed demand extensive bookkeeping to show how you got what without cutting corners (which can be cheating through negligence).
Well, where do i start..
One of my recent characters was a certain misanthropic Lawful Neutral Warforged Artificer, and the bookkeeping gave me a headache even though I only made it to lvl 4. Artificer is decidedly the most difficult and demanding class to play in all of 3.5e (and thus all of D&D), because there's so many factors to take into account that can't be ignored or done casually because streamlining any part of it practically amounts to cheating through negligence or screwing yourself, or both. I've chatted with players who used excel spreadsheets in place of regular character sheets. It also requires a lot of planning ahead and communicating with the DM to play smoothly. You could say it's a complex class for players who think Wizards, Archivists and Erudites aren't nerdy enough for them.
I do appreciate the class though; it's a beautiful concept, and it's capable of a lot of different thinks (it can get close to "tier 0" if you optimize). I had lots of fun, but after learning everything there was to know about items, i left with a subtle loathing of the D&D item system, which i can confidently declare to be broken and a mess. I made a VoP druid just because that's the impact it had on me, even though the right items would absolutely make my character twice as powerful.
I really can't say. I would hope that he's already mostly finished and just in the process of finishing up his equipment list. I hope he included a few dedicated wrights in his inventory, because epic items take years to craft.
What can say is that an artificer doesn't take nearly as much effort to prepare as it does to play, since your crafting mechanics don't factor into your starting equipment; the real crunch begins once you want to start crafting items, or when you're laying out all the individual flasks of magical oil for your Weapon Augmentation infusions. All the artificer needs to start is to pick the right feats (and not fall for traps like Exceptional Artisan), buy a bunch of staffs, scrolls and other consumable items, pick a nice set of armor, make a chart to manage inventory and leave the rest for crafting.
With all that being said, maybe my opinions may be biased by my tendency to take everything seriously, but Artificer does indeed demand extensive bookkeeping to show how you got what without cutting corners (which can be cheating through negligence).
>>108988
The 3.5e item system really is broken... PCs carry around so much junk with them everywhere. If you're some tier 5 martial class, you might feel like you're equipment outweighs the power of your class features so much that your gear is indespensible, which is also partly why Mordenkinen's Disjunction is such a feared spell.
The 3.5e item system really is broken... PCs carry around so much junk with them everywhere. If you're some tier 5 martial class, you might feel like you're equipment outweighs the power of your class features so much that your gear is indespensible, which is also partly why Mordenkinen's Disjunction is such a feared spell.
>>109252
Sheesh, it is quite scary. Good thing Topaz doesn't need the items, mostly, as well as her thralls.
Sheesh, it is quite scary. Good thing Topaz doesn't need the items, mostly, as well as her thralls.
>>109253
It's not all bad. Items are fun cool and interesting, and they even help bridge the gabs between martials and casters, slightly. I just wish it weren't so front and center sometimes.I actually wrote a 2 page rant about this issue, but I think I'll just throw it out because making huge meta posts is a bit obnoxious.
Psions benefit quite a bit from psionic items though. Dorjes and power crystals give them access to spare power points, and let them cast a wide array of powers without using up precious feats. Universal and Wonderous items are useful too, since immunities to death effects or boosts to saves and even basic magic utilities always help. Psions can manifest in armor to, so Psions who dip into Fighter, Warblade Crusader typically wear some kind of magic/psionic armor.
It's not all bad. Items are fun cool and interesting, and they even help bridge the gabs between martials and casters, slightly. I just wish it weren't so front and center sometimes.I actually wrote a 2 page rant about this issue, but I think I'll just throw it out because making huge meta posts is a bit obnoxious.
Psions benefit quite a bit from psionic items though. Dorjes and power crystals give them access to spare power points, and let them cast a wide array of powers without using up precious feats. Universal and Wonderous items are useful too, since immunities to death effects or boosts to saves and even basic magic utilities always help. Psions can manifest in armor to, so Psions who dip into Fighter, Warblade Crusader typically wear some kind of magic/psionic armor.
>>109263
Definitely. A dorje of Inertial Armor or a Wand of Mage armor is standard for a Psion or Sorcerer (or even monks for tat matter).
When said "psions" i meant psionics in general. Psychic Warriors and Wilders typically wear some kind of magic or psionic armor.
The interesting thing about psionics is that since powers aren't dependent on the Weave, the magic/psionic transparency rule doesn't apply to Antimagic fields or Null Psionic fields. Thus Psions can manifest freely and use all of their universal items in Dead Magic zones. Dead magic zones aren't common enough to be an advantage, but it can be an interesting strategy.
Definitely. A dorje of Inertial Armor or a Wand of Mage armor is standard for a Psion or Sorcerer (or even monks for tat matter).
When said "psions" i meant psionics in general. Psychic Warriors and Wilders typically wear some kind of magic or psionic armor.
The interesting thing about psionics is that since powers aren't dependent on the Weave, the magic/psionic transparency rule doesn't apply to Antimagic fields or Null Psionic fields. Thus Psions can manifest freely and use all of their universal items in Dead Magic zones. Dead magic zones aren't common enough to be an advantage, but it can be an interesting strategy.
>>109264
Ah, good. For a second I thought I was having it there for nothing.
Honestly, I don't know if dorjes are really useful because I'd have to switch them off when their max amount of times used is reached, because I feel like there is no need when your entire squad can be composed of psions.
Nevermind the fact I still have to do the little changes still.
Ah, good. For a second I thought I was having it there for nothing.
Honestly, I don't know if dorjes are really useful because I'd have to switch them off when their max amount of times used is reached, because I feel like there is no need when your entire squad can be composed of psions.
Nevermind the fact I still have to do the little changes still.
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And whats great about Psychic Warriors is that powers don't have somatic verbal or material components, and thus do not require a free hand. A psychic Warrior can wielld a two-handed weapon or a weapon and shield, and still manifest freely in combat without losing actions.
>>109266
Dorjes aren't mandatory, but they're useful for lone psions who want low-level utility powers without having to learn them themselves.
Dorjes aren't mandatory, but they're useful for lone psions who want low-level utility powers without having to learn them themselves.
Screw it, I'm posting the meta rant i typed yesterday.
I still think Artificer is one of my favorite classes. My gripe is mostly with how treasure, wealth by level, and crafting are handled as a whole.
The WBL system punishes casters for accumulating magic items via crafting because WBL is based on market price, not cost to create. If you gain a lot of items via craft, you're unlikely to gain any items in the next dungeon. This means that Wizards, Archivists and Artificers who saturate the campaign with items by handing out their hand-crafted goodies to their friends effectively hoard all potential wealth in universe and rob their party members of potential treasure without realizing it through inflation; turning crafters into some kind of twisted magical version of the federal reserve run by gem-stealing 1st edition rogues. Obviously, that's an ass-backwards horrible way to approach it that makes little sense conceptually, but ignoring WBL can also lead to parties gradually turning into overpowered magical christmas trees of permanent items buffing them, or loot-starved adventurers who struggle through encounters because they're under-geared.
Of course, being obnoxiously up-front about meta mechanics will inevitably spoil the game for everyone, but if your class is 95% about crafting items, either you or the DM is going to notice eventually. Wizards and Archivists don't face this problem very often because they don't craft as often, since metamagic is strongly preferable to item creation feats in most cases. Artificers who are aware of the universal inflation they can cause, or who've just noticed that items will magically come to their allies even though they don't hand out stuff, gradually drift away from crafting permanent items for their allies altogether. A hyper-optimized, "tier 0" artificer, or "zeroficer" is an artificer who's all but completely discarded the role of crafting permanent items and embraced the delicious cheese that is applying metamagic to spells from consumable items. Most optimized artificers are just metamagic abusers, like "Blastificers" who stack offensive metamagic on wands or "Buffificers" who apply persistent spell to various buffs from wands and staffs. The most optimized way to play an artificer is to craft as little as possible, but that's not what an artificer is supposed to do, nor is it what the kind of player who makes an artificer initially wants to do. A Blastificer is effectively just a bootleg Warmage/Incantrix; a Buffificer is effectively just a bootleg Divine Metamagic Cleric. Furthermore, artificers who don't take advantage of their craft reserve to hand out items to their buddies are like Clerics who don't heal in combat: it may be sub-optimal, but you clearly have the ability for the sake of assisting your party in that fashion. Everyone who makes an artificer does so because they want to craft, not be counterfeit mages.
All this grievance is caused by the fundamental brokenness of the treasure and WBL system in 3.5e, which is a relic of the era when Treasure was directly tied to XP, and finding the treasure meant advancing as a character. Third edition tied wealth to to level and made the whole system much more combat oriented (strongly favoring fantasy SWAT teams over armies and strongholds) and all encounters in the game are designed with the thought that PCs have access to a certain level of treasure. CR is a joke, but under-gearing PCs can be bat because it disadvantages characters like martials who depend on items a bit more than spellcasters, which i guess feeds into the all-too-common "screw the martials" mentality that permeates all of 3.5e. The concept of WBL also diminishes the meaning of "treasure" if, god forbid, players become painfully aware about how much loot they're supposed to have at any given level, or in contrast ignore WBL try to do everything they can to increase their wealth by using economy shenanigans (Wall of Salt, Fabricate, Polymorph Any Object, etc) or murder-hobo mentality to continuously acquire treasure with no upper limit. Overgeared PCs are even worse than undergeared PCs, because then the DM has to try balance PCs with access to resources the game isn’t prepared for them to have, and PCs are almost always more powerful than the game prepares for anyway (that’s another rant). The diminishment of the value of treasure is probably worse than any mechanical fluke though. 1000gp isn’t the same to a PC as it is to an NPC, which plays into how greedy PCs are encouraged to be. 1000gp is the price of a small cottage and the land under it; it’s the price of 1000 goats, or 50000 chickens: to a PC, it’s the price of a +1 magic weapon enhancement, or a days worth of consumable spell components. PCs at high level walk around loaded up with billions of dollars worth of treasure and burn priceless diamonds for spells every day. The reality that high-level PCs have enough money to buy off a kingdom and never have to adventure again makes neutral PCs without extravagant long-term goals seem out of place when they could just retire.
And thus, after being made brutally aware of all of these inherent flaws in the game design, i made my most recent character a VoP Druid, since after delving so deep into the meta of the item system I decided I wanted to play a PC that took no part in it. I decided that I had better things to worry about than if my fictional horse was decorated with the right trinkets. My bonuses increase at arithmetic level, so at least I can be sure I have the minimum I need to survive encounters.
I still think Artificer is one of my favorite classes. My gripe is mostly with how treasure, wealth by level, and crafting are handled as a whole.
The WBL system punishes casters for accumulating magic items via crafting because WBL is based on market price, not cost to create. If you gain a lot of items via craft, you're unlikely to gain any items in the next dungeon. This means that Wizards, Archivists and Artificers who saturate the campaign with items by handing out their hand-crafted goodies to their friends effectively hoard all potential wealth in universe and rob their party members of potential treasure without realizing it through inflation; turning crafters into some kind of twisted magical version of the federal reserve run by gem-stealing 1st edition rogues. Obviously, that's an ass-backwards horrible way to approach it that makes little sense conceptually, but ignoring WBL can also lead to parties gradually turning into overpowered magical christmas trees of permanent items buffing them, or loot-starved adventurers who struggle through encounters because they're under-geared.
Of course, being obnoxiously up-front about meta mechanics will inevitably spoil the game for everyone, but if your class is 95% about crafting items, either you or the DM is going to notice eventually. Wizards and Archivists don't face this problem very often because they don't craft as often, since metamagic is strongly preferable to item creation feats in most cases. Artificers who are aware of the universal inflation they can cause, or who've just noticed that items will magically come to their allies even though they don't hand out stuff, gradually drift away from crafting permanent items for their allies altogether. A hyper-optimized, "tier 0" artificer, or "zeroficer" is an artificer who's all but completely discarded the role of crafting permanent items and embraced the delicious cheese that is applying metamagic to spells from consumable items. Most optimized artificers are just metamagic abusers, like "Blastificers" who stack offensive metamagic on wands or "Buffificers" who apply persistent spell to various buffs from wands and staffs. The most optimized way to play an artificer is to craft as little as possible, but that's not what an artificer is supposed to do, nor is it what the kind of player who makes an artificer initially wants to do. A Blastificer is effectively just a bootleg Warmage/Incantrix; a Buffificer is effectively just a bootleg Divine Metamagic Cleric. Furthermore, artificers who don't take advantage of their craft reserve to hand out items to their buddies are like Clerics who don't heal in combat: it may be sub-optimal, but you clearly have the ability for the sake of assisting your party in that fashion. Everyone who makes an artificer does so because they want to craft, not be counterfeit mages.
All this grievance is caused by the fundamental brokenness of the treasure and WBL system in 3.5e, which is a relic of the era when Treasure was directly tied to XP, and finding the treasure meant advancing as a character. Third edition tied wealth to to level and made the whole system much more combat oriented (strongly favoring fantasy SWAT teams over armies and strongholds) and all encounters in the game are designed with the thought that PCs have access to a certain level of treasure. CR is a joke, but under-gearing PCs can be bat because it disadvantages characters like martials who depend on items a bit more than spellcasters, which i guess feeds into the all-too-common "screw the martials" mentality that permeates all of 3.5e. The concept of WBL also diminishes the meaning of "treasure" if, god forbid, players become painfully aware about how much loot they're supposed to have at any given level, or in contrast ignore WBL try to do everything they can to increase their wealth by using economy shenanigans (Wall of Salt, Fabricate, Polymorph Any Object, etc) or murder-hobo mentality to continuously acquire treasure with no upper limit. Overgeared PCs are even worse than undergeared PCs, because then the DM has to try balance PCs with access to resources the game isn’t prepared for them to have, and PCs are almost always more powerful than the game prepares for anyway (that’s another rant). The diminishment of the value of treasure is probably worse than any mechanical fluke though. 1000gp isn’t the same to a PC as it is to an NPC, which plays into how greedy PCs are encouraged to be. 1000gp is the price of a small cottage and the land under it; it’s the price of 1000 goats, or 50000 chickens: to a PC, it’s the price of a +1 magic weapon enhancement, or a days worth of consumable spell components. PCs at high level walk around loaded up with billions of dollars worth of treasure and burn priceless diamonds for spells every day. The reality that high-level PCs have enough money to buy off a kingdom and never have to adventure again makes neutral PCs without extravagant long-term goals seem out of place when they could just retire.
And thus, after being made brutally aware of all of these inherent flaws in the game design, i made my most recent character a VoP Druid, since after delving so deep into the meta of the item system I decided I wanted to play a PC that took no part in it. I decided that I had better things to worry about than if my fictional horse was decorated with the right trinkets. My bonuses increase at arithmetic level, so at least I can be sure I have the minimum I need to survive encounters.
>>109272
No u.
The 3.5e item system is broken and a mess, and like most of 3.5e it was hardly at all playtested beyond level 5. It diminishes the meaning of "treasure", inflates exponentially, and punishes rafting.
No u.
The 3.5e item system is broken and a mess, and like most of 3.5e it was hardly at all playtested beyond level 5. It diminishes the meaning of "treasure", inflates exponentially, and punishes rafting.
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>>109459
Alright, so I read the Draconomicon and it doesn't specify the ECL for any sort of age group higher than juvenile. If I go by your suggestion of hit dice + 4, I could go for a matue adult dragon whose hit dice are 25d12, which added by the +4 effective level, would be ECL 29, which fits into the 48th level Epic Leadership.
Also any suggestions for Epic Physchic Warriors? Prestige classes maybe?
Topaz and the believers should be ready finally. Please take a look to see if it all checks out.
https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1971661
https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1975680
Alright, so I read the Draconomicon and it doesn't specify the ECL for any sort of age group higher than juvenile. If I go by your suggestion of hit dice + 4, I could go for a matue adult dragon whose hit dice are 25d12, which added by the +4 effective level, would be ECL 29, which fits into the 48th level Epic Leadership.
Also any suggestions for Epic Physchic Warriors? Prestige classes maybe?
Topaz and the believers should be ready finally. Please take a look to see if it all checks out.
https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1971661
https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1975680
>>109565
I can't recall the rules concerning dragon characters off of the top of my head; i would have to look it up.
I can tell you now that your thrall can't be 25d though. Your thralls max level is equal to your character lvl -1, which is 24.
As for epic psychic Warriors, you might want to go for ~17 levels in Psi Warrior, since you're a Tashlatora and you get the monk abilities. You could also dip a level into Warblade, Crusader, Swordsage or Cloistered Cleric to get a few nifty tricks at lvl 1. Once you hit lvl 20, you BAB stops increasing normally, so you have more freedom for what kinds of classes you want to pick. Also note that your power points per day don't increase either, although total manifester level is good for Augmentation. War Mind and Psionic Fist could give you more power points. psionic Fist may be redundent though, since you may have already maxed out your unarmed damage.
As for Psionic classes, I can't say I'm familiar with them. It seems as though the idiots who wrote the Complete Psionic actually believed in sacrificing manifester levels for class features when it comes to PrCs.. which is another gripe I have about that book...
Among the classes, Diamond Warrior seems to be similar to what you're looking for.
https://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/classes/prestige/Diamond_Warrior
And as for epic classes, Perfected One is basically the epic Monk PrC.
In my opinion, I'd dip go for Unarmed Swordsage or some other Martial Adept. Martial Adepts are really good, and they're just as good if you enter at high levels. The Swordsages Diamond Mind maneuvers would be great defensively, and the Setting Sun school is great for any Triplomancer. Swordsage could also let you enter into Shadow Sun Ninja, which is like monk, but better.
I can't recall the rules concerning dragon characters off of the top of my head; i would have to look it up.
I can tell you now that your thrall can't be 25d though. Your thralls max level is equal to your character lvl -1, which is 24.
As for epic psychic Warriors, you might want to go for ~17 levels in Psi Warrior, since you're a Tashlatora and you get the monk abilities. You could also dip a level into Warblade, Crusader, Swordsage or Cloistered Cleric to get a few nifty tricks at lvl 1. Once you hit lvl 20, you BAB stops increasing normally, so you have more freedom for what kinds of classes you want to pick. Also note that your power points per day don't increase either, although total manifester level is good for Augmentation. War Mind and Psionic Fist could give you more power points. psionic Fist may be redundent though, since you may have already maxed out your unarmed damage.
As for Psionic classes, I can't say I'm familiar with them. It seems as though the idiots who wrote the Complete Psionic actually believed in sacrificing manifester levels for class features when it comes to PrCs.. which is another gripe I have about that book...
Among the classes, Diamond Warrior seems to be similar to what you're looking for.
https://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/classes/prestige/Diamond_Warrior
And as for epic classes, Perfected One is basically the epic Monk PrC.
In my opinion, I'd dip go for Unarmed Swordsage or some other Martial Adept. Martial Adepts are really good, and they're just as good if you enter at high levels. The Swordsages Diamond Mind maneuvers would be great defensively, and the Setting Sun school is great for any Triplomancer. Swordsage could also let you enter into Shadow Sun Ninja, which is like monk, but better.
Alright. It appears that WoTC may have stuck to it's old rule that creatures above 20 ECL do not have listed level adjustments.
>If the sum of a dragon’s Hit Dice and its level adjustment gives it an effective character level higher than 20, that dragon character is too powerful to fit into a party of PCs below epic level. For instance, a howling dragon has 9 HD and a level adjustment of +4 as a wyrmling and 12 HD and a level adjustment of +5 as a very young dragon. When it reaches young age, it has 15 HD and a +6 level adjustment, giving it an ECL of 21; thus, information on a young howling dragon as a PC is absent from Table 3–22.
According to the epic leadership feat in the ELA, an ancient Silver Dragon (36 HD) is a lvl 42 ECL cohort, meaning that it's LA is +8. A young Silver dragon's LA is +5, so the age categories between there must be between 5 and 8 (that's centuries of difference though). Let me look closer to see if I can find an LA buried somewhere. Considering that a Topaz dragon lacks innate spellcasting ability, comparing it to a silver dragon in ECL seems unfair at a glance. That's WoTC for you...
>If the sum of a dragon’s Hit Dice and its level adjustment gives it an effective character level higher than 20, that dragon character is too powerful to fit into a party of PCs below epic level. For instance, a howling dragon has 9 HD and a level adjustment of +4 as a wyrmling and 12 HD and a level adjustment of +5 as a very young dragon. When it reaches young age, it has 15 HD and a +6 level adjustment, giving it an ECL of 21; thus, information on a young howling dragon as a PC is absent from Table 3–22.
According to the epic leadership feat in the ELA, an ancient Silver Dragon (36 HD) is a lvl 42 ECL cohort, meaning that it's LA is +8. A young Silver dragon's LA is +5, so the age categories between there must be between 5 and 8 (that's centuries of difference though). Let me look closer to see if I can find an LA buried somewhere. Considering that a Topaz dragon lacks innate spellcasting ability, comparing it to a silver dragon in ECL seems unfair at a glance. That's WoTC for you...
I want to join if possible but I haven't played this in like forever and that time I only played one session. I haven't kept track when this campaign starts so if it does in the weekend I won't be able to participate.
Can I custom my character's stats for this story. I have something specific in mind. I wanna be a glasscannon female unicorn illusionist. Basically, the stats for illusions but not any stats for other things. Like shit constitution and strength. I didn't get to play that the first time around because the DM thought that it would be too hard for a newbie to play.
What do you think?
Can I custom my character's stats for this story. I have something specific in mind. I wanna be a glasscannon female unicorn illusionist. Basically, the stats for illusions but not any stats for other things. Like shit constitution and strength. I didn't get to play that the first time around because the DM thought that it would be too hard for a newbie to play.
What do you think?
>>109571
Oh, wait it turns out they actually do have innate spellcasting powers. They have cast as lvl 3 spellcasters at juvenile age.
Ah, that also means that they qualify for the Sovereign Archytypes in Dragons Of Eberron.
https://thetrove.net/Books/Dungeons%20and%20Dragons/AD&D%203rd%20Edition/Eberron/Dragons%20of%20Eberron.pdf
It could even be a loredrake, like my extra-cheesy dragonwrought Sorceress.
Oh, wait it turns out they actually do have innate spellcasting powers. They have cast as lvl 3 spellcasters at juvenile age.
Ah, that also means that they qualify for the Sovereign Archytypes in Dragons Of Eberron.
https://thetrove.net/Books/Dungeons%20and%20Dragons/AD&D%203rd%20Edition/Eberron/Dragons%20of%20Eberron.pdf
It could even be a loredrake, like my extra-cheesy dragonwrought Sorceress.
>>109572
Be sure to be at the 34 point buy limit, which probably means the lowest base stat you can have is 8. After that, you'll still have the extra -2 STR to deal with.
Be also sure that you don't need concentration rolls, because they could severely hamper your casting when getting targeted by all sorts of distractions.
>>109573
I'll take a look at what that means.
Be sure to be at the 34 point buy limit, which probably means the lowest base stat you can have is 8. After that, you'll still have the extra -2 STR to deal with.
Be also sure that you don't need concentration rolls, because they could severely hamper your casting when getting targeted by all sorts of distractions.
>>109573
I'll take a look at what that means.
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>>109572
Ooh, a Epic Wizard would totally complete our party.
Are you familiar with third edition d&d? If you have any questions, I'd be glad to help.
Ooh, a Epic Wizard would totally complete our party.
Are you familiar with third edition d&d? If you have any questions, I'd be glad to help.
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Obligatory Epic Wizard memes
>>109574
>34 point buy limit
So I assume that these 34 points are free points which I can add to the basestats I already have and the basestats are eight points for each stat if we don't include the choice of race.
>concentration rolls
I assume there is a skill that allows me to avoid these type of rolls or should I increase onne of my stats so high that the possiblity of a low roll is unlikely?
>>109575
Not really, I have watched a lot of yt videos with people telling stories oof their campaigns. I can't say that I have any familiarity with any edition.
I have only played one session before that probably lasted under a few hours. We solved a puzzle, had an minor encounter that I barely rememeber. It was years ago now. I will probabkly have a lot of questions for you so thanks a lot for your help.
I will probably save those for next week though since I have an upincoming test to attend to. Put after thuesday next week I will be able to increase my lurking here and be able to respone more frequently as well.
>34 point buy limit
So I assume that these 34 points are free points which I can add to the basestats I already have and the basestats are eight points for each stat if we don't include the choice of race.
>concentration rolls
I assume there is a skill that allows me to avoid these type of rolls or should I increase onne of my stats so high that the possiblity of a low roll is unlikely?
>>109575
Not really, I have watched a lot of yt videos with people telling stories oof their campaigns. I can't say that I have any familiarity with any edition.
I have only played one session before that probably lasted under a few hours. We solved a puzzle, had an minor encounter that I barely rememeber. It was years ago now. I will probabkly have a lot of questions for you so thanks a lot for your help.
I will probably save those for next week though since I have an upincoming test to attend to. Put after thuesday next week I will be able to increase my lurking here and be able to respone more frequently as well.
>>109577
Hmmmm, well if you're not familiar with D&D, i'd advise you to read the 3.5e players handbook, or at least the first couple chapters which guide you on character creation. You can read the pdf for free online.
Wizard is the arguably the most powerful class in the game, and gives you a lot of options as a character. Start by deciding what kind of character you want to play as well as your alignment. I can help you through the details once you know what it is you want to play, be it feats, class features, or spells.
Hmmmm, well if you're not familiar with D&D, i'd advise you to read the 3.5e players handbook, or at least the first couple chapters which guide you on character creation. You can read the pdf for free online.
Wizard is the arguably the most powerful class in the game, and gives you a lot of options as a character. Start by deciding what kind of character you want to play as well as your alignment. I can help you through the details once you know what it is you want to play, be it feats, class features, or spells.
>>109577
Oh wait, you are a rookie?
Phoneposting might hamper me here, but basically you stats start at 8 for each of the six main attributes: Strength, which dictates your melee damage and hit rolls, carrying capacity and strength-based skills like jumping, climbing and swimming. Dexterity, which means how well you deal with ranged weapons, AC bonus and its based skills.
Constitution, which marks how much hits you can take and to keep concentration from being attack or otherwise disturbed by events, like falling, sliding or any other action that does not put stress on your character.
Intelligence indicates how many extra skill points you get per level, some extra spell slots in case of wizards and its skills
Wisdom is mainly an extra stat to help out in spotting, listening, sense motive and such. They are essential in classes who base their power on wisdom like monks or clerics, granting some bonuses.
Finally, we have charisma. I have no idea if illusionists need charisma in their lives, but I think they do. It helps out in all manner of non-fight scenarios like convincing people or lying your heart out.
This is way too basic, so I'll let Ash take care of any spare details, as well as correct my post if necessary. Be mindful I'm not god of this world aka not GM.
Oh wait, you are a rookie?
Phoneposting might hamper me here, but basically you stats start at 8 for each of the six main attributes: Strength, which dictates your melee damage and hit rolls, carrying capacity and strength-based skills like jumping, climbing and swimming. Dexterity, which means how well you deal with ranged weapons, AC bonus and its based skills.
Constitution, which marks how much hits you can take and to keep concentration from being attack or otherwise disturbed by events, like falling, sliding or any other action that does not put stress on your character.
Intelligence indicates how many extra skill points you get per level, some extra spell slots in case of wizards and its skills
Wisdom is mainly an extra stat to help out in spotting, listening, sense motive and such. They are essential in classes who base their power on wisdom like monks or clerics, granting some bonuses.
Finally, we have charisma. I have no idea if illusionists need charisma in their lives, but I think they do. It helps out in all manner of non-fight scenarios like convincing people or lying your heart out.
This is way too basic, so I'll let Ash take care of any spare details, as well as correct my post if necessary. Be mindful I'm not god of this world aka not GM.
Wizards can afford to dump every stat but Intelligence, although they'd probably still want Constitution unless they intend to become undead.
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>>109565
Wow, you got your Constition all the way to 23 unmodified. That's higher than mine, and I'm Dragonborn. I take it that's from the manual of great health.
I guess I did put more focus into mental stats though. This way I have enough Charisma for turning undead and Spell Siphoning. I figured I needed Int for skills to.
Wow, you got your Constition all the way to 23 unmodified. That's higher than mine, and I'm Dragonborn. I take it that's from the manual of great health.
I guess I did put more focus into mental stats though. This way I have enough Charisma for turning undead and Spell Siphoning. I figured I needed Int for skills to.
>tfw only 18 Con unmodified and 26 Con when modified
I'm starting to regret this Ascetic gig... Oh well, can't have everything.
I'm starting to regret this Ascetic gig... Oh well, can't have everything.
>>109582
Strong body, strong mind, amirite?
I also had the most points spent on it, too, since Unicorn master race gets +2 Int, essentially her having 18 of both Con and Int.
Strong body, strong mind, amirite?
I also had the most points spent on it, too, since Unicorn master race gets +2 Int, essentially her having 18 of both Con and Int.
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