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MAJOR HAPPENING: /MLPOL/.NET TRANSFER OF POWER, SITE FUTURE IN QUESTION
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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>>5676
You're fucking insane, if you let them get away with this unpunished. And this is no minor matter. This is quite serious.
>>5681
>The staff don't work for us and certainly aren't our slaves
Then why are they staff members? If they don't work for us, then they have no business being staff.
Anonymous
No.5689
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>>5680
He's not the OP. I am. Don't misconstrue the intent of this thread.
It's supposed to be about transparency and community input as defined by the site's policies.
>>5683
I only want to be able to trust that the policies of this site will be taken more seriously in the future, not burning the whole place to the ground.
> If you don't trust that the site is being run in good faith, then get involved in helping.
That's what I'm trying to do right now.
Mod
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Anonymous
No.5691
There's no fucking IDs in this thread. Everyone is getting mixed up. Maybe this would be better off in:
https://mlpol.net/mlpol/304420
Fasces
## Mod
No.5692
>>5690
Damn it. I can never get the Mod name thing to work right. I’m Fasces. I will never get used to namefagging.
Anonymous
No.5693
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>>5688
"Unpunished"? All he did was not properly announce "Yeah this guy's busy with IRL shit so his best friend's in charge for now" when it happened.
It ain't like he embezzled site funds for a private project that doesn't benefit the site or white people.
Anonymous
No.5694
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>>5690
>It was agreed, even after the staff took up my view of the matter, that if anyone should ask, we would tell them, despite the backlash, because it is a level of transparency to make it known should there be a question to staff.
Well, that's a bit reassuring, but isn't that kind of lucrative? We can't exactly ask questions about things that we don't know are happening.
Anonymous
No.5695
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>>5690
Thank you very much! I just wish you posted this quite some time ago when Lotus was taking the brunt of the vitriol. The poor guy must've gotten a headache from all this.
Anonymous
No.5696
>>5693
>>5688
I really think "punishment" isn't the right word here. It's putting people on the defensive. Accountability shouldn't necessarily be a thing to feared, but it is important.
Anonymous
No.5697
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>>5690
I think you have made the worst call possible. Suggesting not to tell anyone about the transfership is nothing but a mistake. And I doubt anything can possibly justify what you have done. You should have told everyone from the start and made it clear that Pupperwoff is taking Atlas's place for the time being while he's sorting his IRL issues out, if Lotus to be trusted. Keeping quiet on such an important matter was a mistake. The rest should have disagreed and revealed what was going on instead of willingfully breaking one of the most important rules.
Anonymous
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>>5690
Okay. Can we go back to business and tell OP to fuck off?
Anonymous
No.5699
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All I want is to be able to trust that the policies of this board are being followed...
>>5697
>The rest should have disagreed and revealed what was going on instead of willingfully breaking one of the most important rules.
This raises it's own questions.
Is there some kind of secrecy pact within the administration? Are site staff made to comply with issues to cover these things up? What happens if there's a disagreement among the staff when it pertains to transparency?
Tbh, the staff policy page is really vague. It claims that the staff are supposed to be transparent and take community input, but it doesn't really say anything about the agreements and policies that the staff have among themselves. How is it that decisions are made? If mods disagree with certain courses of action, are they allowed to tell the rest of us?
Anonymous
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>>5697
>distrust
You lack Friendship anon.
Anonymous
No.5701
>>5700
Good friends don't lie.
Anonymous
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Ninjas
No.5703
>>5699
It's not a pact per say, but there is an unwritten prohibition on not 'towing the line'
Fasces
## Mod
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Anonymous
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>>5702
>You might as well be calling to have /mlpol/ shut down over something
That's clearly not what he's calling for.
>Any of you fags willing to step up? Got the money? The time? Do you really?
If that's what it takes to have a transparent board where the pivotal policies are actually followed, then sure as heck. I want reform.
Fasces
## Mod
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>>5702
Pupper will not be resigning. If you want blood, you can call for me to resign, but you will not touch the admins. No one else is fit to hold power responsibly than the people already in it. The years have proven that.
>>5705
All policies have been followed as written. It is your own interpretation of what those rules that has not. Your call to reform is not a reform but a total change of the hands of power. This is both uncalled for and overkill.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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>>5706
>resigning
No concessions poner.
Draw the line and make a stand. You are not alone.
OP's faggotry can't be allowed.
Anonymous
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>>5706
>All policies have been followed as written.
That simply isn't true.
Staff rule #2 says that staff will be transparent. For an amount of time "since last year", the policy page since last year said that the owner of the site was someone other than who it really is: the policy page was a lie, and therefore it was not transparent.
As for staff rule #3, which says that community considerations would be taken into account, the community was given no prior notice or any opportunity to express opinions on this matter before it occured, so community considerations were not taken into account.
So, overall, it really looks like these very important rules are either not being followed, or aren't being interpretted.
What is going to happen to amend this?
>>5708
Nobody asked for resignation. We're asking for transparency/accountability. Hold your fucking horses.
Anonymous
No.5710
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>>5702
>Otherwise, vague calls of 'punishment' seem to be ruling the day here, and according to policy, that involves dismissal. So let's talk about accountability.
Well maybe then there should be some degrees of accountability between just doing nothing and outright dismissal. Maybe then the staff would be more willing to come forward if they fuck up. instead of just keeping everything secret.
Fasces
## Mod
No.5711
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>>5709
I will reiterate, the policy as written has been followed. There has and will always be a level of transparency, but not everything should be out in the open. I argued that this was one of those times it should not be mentioned in transparency. If you wish, since I have to leave for work, mention how the community would have benefited from the knowledge and how this falls into should have been transparent and I will see your reasoning. I will look over your arguments when given a chance.
Anonymous
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>>5707
>financial security to pay the running costs?
What's it cost, a couple hundred dollars a month? I think I could pick it up. I use this site every day, and I wouldn't mind paying for it if there were any indication that
>We're not just talking about removing a couple of mods and jannies here, but the literal technicians that maintain the site's functions.
Nobody fucking asked for anyone to be removed. Stop putting words in other people's mouths.
Anonymous
No.5713
>>5704
>We do not promise full transparency
Then, please, tell me why are you a staff member, if you are not promising full transparency? If we had full transparency, if we had an announcement there would be no drama happening surrounding this.
>But the people in this thread calling for reform will not take such an easy path I’m afraid. They will be heard, but it would be best to just move on.
I do not believe so. Moving on will not happen until it will be ensured that staff will follow the staff rules and a proper announcement of the (temporary) transfership will be made as soon as possible. People deserve to know what was happening behind the scenes since past year.
Ninjas
No.5714
5719
Something that bears consideration in all this, and is a reiteration of a previous point.
/mlpol/ is not a democracy.
The site, domain, and even the proprietary code (intellectual property) all belong to Pupper. So, while the site is ostensibly democratic, it is not a democracy. Do with that info what you will.
Furthermore, Fasces is a gud boi, if woefully naive and a bit sycophantic at times. Those criticisms aside, his track record of erring on the side of caution is well established and not inappropriate.
The site is driven by users, but it isnt run by users, which is at the heart of why there is still a discord diaspora that generally avoids using the site (with exception). When /mlpol/ was made a private venture, it would not have been possible without someone(s) taking responsibility and putting their name on the dotted line. And the individual who until very recently (yours truly, btw) made the agreement with Atlas to cover operational costs for the site, it was done under the express notion that contributions were voluntary and would offer no credit or influence over site policy.
Just an fyi for you all
Ninjas
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>>5712
It's about $500/year
Anonymous
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Ninjas
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>>5717
>I could pay that
You're in luck, the spot just opened up
Anonymous
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>>5714
>/mlpol/ is not a democracy.
It doesn't need to be a democracy, but it should at the very least be transparent. Even Best Koreans have the dignity of knowing who their leader is.
Ninjas
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>>5719
I agree wholeheartedly. Transparency is one of a dozen unresolved issues that prompted my resignation, alongside the unwillingness to discuss it and them.
Anonymous
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>>5718
Why wasn't this brought up too? If money was an issue, the community should've been notified.
Now I'm sketical about how this site is being funded. I didn't pay it very much mind since the store closed, but apparently I can't count on knowing if big decisions are being disclosed.
Why'd the site store get closed anyway? Iirc, it was some combination of the company not wanting to print nazi shirts and people simply not using it. Ii guess that topic deserves its own thread.
Anonymous
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>>5716
>Obviously we're not removing anyone, that's a dumb idea, but we do need to sit down and discuss a real means of ensuring future transparency without having to throw out every staffer that so much as steps a toe out of line, especially when it can't be proven to have been done maliciously.
That's basically what I'm getting at. It's not like I don't like Pupper or would have really protested him being owner if we all only knew about it, but the lack of transparency on the matter makes me reconsider every little thing I payed no mind to until now. It's downright creepy, and that's why I was so upset.
OccultFacade
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Anonymous
No.5724
>>5722
I'm not to be honest, yeah it was a mistake, but our guys have a pretty good track record in running this site for as long as they have and out of their own pockets no less, that earns them points in my book. On top of the fact that we didn't notice the change until now, no negative changes in policy, no lapses in moderation, 4chan was much rockier at this point in its lifespan in regards to policy, funding and definitely transparency.

I hope Atlas is okay, in all this bickering, we really haven't paid much mind to that.
Ninjas
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Anonymous
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What's up with how IDs are turned off in this thread? That means only admins can tell what posts are coming from who.
Anonymous
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>>5725
So basically he was being a jew
Ninjas
No.5728
>>5727
Bureaucrat would be a more accurate comparison imo
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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>>5729
>when transparency is supposed to
*when transparency is supposed to be part of what distinguishes us from 4chan.
Anonymous
No.5731
>>5729
>staff server
*in the site server
Ninjas
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>>5729
>no evidence
Theres no receipts, but the individual in question openly proclaimed that he was getting a cut of the profits on several occasions, in staff chat. I have further (anecdotal) evidence, but that issue is moot.
Anonymous
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>>5732
... Is that for real?
Ninjas
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>>5733
I cant but offer my assurances that he did in fact state that, as well as various other conformational statements that validate the point, yes.
Anonymous
No.5735
>>5723
>opaque by design
That's really not what the policy page says. It says the opposite.
/mlpol/ is supposed to be a self-sustaining, community-led effort. It's not a top-down hierarchy. It's supposed to be transparent, because part of what made everyone fed up about 4chins was that the administration did as it wished without disclosure or input. It's the reason why we have staff rule number 2, because we all remeber what it was like screeching on 4/qa/ and clawing at the board for even a shred of a response to our request to make that glorious trainwreck of a prank board last even one day longer, and all we got in response was a twitter post saying
>it's cute
Anonymous
No.5736
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>>5732
>>5725
I would need to know more about this before I can have a concrete opinion on the matter. It sounds semi-serious, but I'm still tryting to get over the first thing. I don't really suspect any wrongdoing has occured in that manner yet, but then again I'm not sure what I believe anymore... I think that calls for its own thread to prevent further derailing this one.
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