why does 4chan look like this now?
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because redditfags like 4chan's memes yet can't make memes themselves. They want to be as cool as the cool kids, so they try to sit at their table (4chan) and they try to be funny there. This ruins 4chan.
Ebamsworld, newgrounds, 9gag, now reddit. It comes in waves. Since 2004.
>>319193
Normals can recognise authenticity, or soul, when they see it, but can't reproduce it themselves. They unironically seek it out like locust swarm seeks out crops and consume until all originality and creativity is gone before moving on to greener pastures. This was 4chan's fate the moment they put themselves on radar with big stunts like Habbo Hotel, project chanology, gamergate and the 2016 election. Each stunt bringing in a wave of newfags, each coming too soon after the last before the newfags were properly assimilated, until what you know as 4chan now is vastly different than it was in its infancy.
Immigration works the same way. No surprises there.
Normals can recognise authenticity, or soul, when they see it, but can't reproduce it themselves. They unironically seek it out like locust swarm seeks out crops and consume until all originality and creativity is gone before moving on to greener pastures. This was 4chan's fate the moment they put themselves on radar with big stunts like Habbo Hotel, project chanology, gamergate and the 2016 election. Each stunt bringing in a wave of newfags, each coming too soon after the last before the newfags were properly assimilated, until what you know as 4chan now is vastly different than it was in its infancy.
Immigration works the same way. No surprises there.
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>>319242
>Each stunt bringing in a wave of newfags, each coming too soon after the last before the newfags were properly assimilated
>Each stunt bringing in a wave of newfags, each coming too soon after the last before the newfags were properly assimilated
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>>319193
Mass exposer thanks to /tv/ and /pol/ so waves of normalfags show up and worse, redditors and twatter/tumblr niggers that want/are now jannies.
Mass exposer thanks to /tv/ and /pol/ so waves of normalfags show up and worse, redditors and twatter/tumblr niggers that want/are now jannies.
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>>319193
Let me give you a quick rundown
>24/7 slide threads
>reddifags and normie new fags
>bots
>tranny posts
>jidf kike meme flag shills
>glow nigger fed posts
>3/4 of mutt flags are spics
>3/4 of leaf flags are poos and chinks
Let me give you a quick rundown
>24/7 slide threads
>reddifags and normie new fags
>bots
>tranny posts
>jidf kike meme flag shills
>glow nigger fed posts
>3/4 of mutt flags are spics
>3/4 of leaf flags are poos and chinks
>>319193
Something I don't see acknowledged much but which I think is a contributing factor is how many ESLs are on the internet now compared to five or ten years ago. In 2010-2013ish, you could generally assume that whoever you were talking to online was probably white, first-world, and with a decent command of the english language - now the internet is majority nonwhite, and it shows in the quality of online culture. There's not the same spontaneity or sense of easy understanding anywhere online that there was in the 2000s and very early 2010s, which only continued to exist in aggressively white spaces like 8/pol/ until quite recently.
Something I don't see acknowledged much but which I think is a contributing factor is how many ESLs are on the internet now compared to five or ten years ago. In 2010-2013ish, you could generally assume that whoever you were talking to online was probably white, first-world, and with a decent command of the english language - now the internet is majority nonwhite, and it shows in the quality of online culture. There's not the same spontaneity or sense of easy understanding anywhere online that there was in the 2000s and very early 2010s, which only continued to exist in aggressively white spaces like 8/pol/ until quite recently.
>>319322
I actually got a warning for saging a thread over there, the moderation doesn't take kindly to that.
I actually got a warning for saging a thread over there, the moderation doesn't take kindly to that.
>>319332
good point. Literally backwater Indians in remote villages are coming online which is made the bobs and vagene memes.
>>319193
as others have said, 4chan is known to redditors so they go there to try to mainline the memes. The difference between a redditor and a 4chinz is that redditors want to consume professional, popular content on a website with commonly held, groupthink appeal with heavy moderation. 4chan otoh has always been kind of the wild west for content. So redditors kill it because they contribute nothing but repetitive, washed down threads.
>>319322
I don't think there's nearly as many bots and jidf shills as people say. It's exactly what that poster is talking about. 4chan in general has been on a long term decline because retarded posters are ruining the experience. It amazes me how common it is to see posters baited by well known pastas and images, even if the same thing was posted the day before. It's like it's the first day for half the users on there on any given day.
unless something changes, I don't see 4chan lasting much more than another year or two with long term pageview decline and just way too much retardation and low quality posting.
good point. Literally backwater Indians in remote villages are coming online which is made the bobs and vagene memes.
>>319193
as others have said, 4chan is known to redditors so they go there to try to mainline the memes. The difference between a redditor and a 4chinz is that redditors want to consume professional, popular content on a website with commonly held, groupthink appeal with heavy moderation. 4chan otoh has always been kind of the wild west for content. So redditors kill it because they contribute nothing but repetitive, washed down threads.
>>319322
I don't think there's nearly as many bots and jidf shills as people say. It's exactly what that poster is talking about. 4chan in general has been on a long term decline because retarded posters are ruining the experience. It amazes me how common it is to see posters baited by well known pastas and images, even if the same thing was posted the day before. It's like it's the first day for half the users on there on any given day.
unless something changes, I don't see 4chan lasting much more than another year or two with long term pageview decline and just way too much retardation and low quality posting.
>>319193
The outsiders want the edgy, but also have things to lose, so they go to these places and vent their degeneracy, not knowing that 4chan is for DISCUSSION. Memes are great and all, but the purpose of these shitty websites is anonymous discussions on topics we want to talk about. Admittedly, it is inevitable, but the original purpose has never changed.
The outsiders want the edgy, but also have things to lose, so they go to these places and vent their degeneracy, not knowing that 4chan is for DISCUSSION. Memes are great and all, but the purpose of these shitty websites is anonymous discussions on topics we want to talk about. Admittedly, it is inevitable, but the original purpose has never changed.
>>319193
most pre 2010 oldfags were also on Reddit. Even moot himself was.
The real cancer is the consoomers. They want porn, they want entertainment, they don't want to contribute.
most pre 2010 oldfags were also on Reddit. Even moot himself was.
The real cancer is the consoomers. They want porn, they want entertainment, they don't want to contribute.
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>>319193
The internet is dying, anon, it has been for a long time now.
It is time to move on and find better use for your time;There's no glory left on this battlefield.
The internet is television 2.0 by this point, it is incredibly useful (i know it was for me, there's tons of free useful information just lying around) but it can also be an incredibly effective time-sink (I recommend this video on the matter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQeWe8_fkfg)
There's no place for oldfags, the internet is not the secret nerd's club anymore, it is part of the mainstream.
Now that the cow has milked, slaughtered and people are already eating it's meat, maybe it's time to just find better things to do with the cow's corpse.
I know i have spent the past 3 (or 4?) years away from all chans and social media and have instead focused on using the internet as a tool to gather useful information and learn, it's actually nice once you get used to it, to live your life mostly offline.
I advice all of you to just stop wasting your time on stupid internet shit because it has not been worth it for a long, long time now. Find something that's good for you and also brings you happiness and entertainment, even if it seems silly for everyone else, even if your fun comes from sewing pony plushies, it is better than to waste your time on the internet.
Before anyone asks why am i even posting if i advocate so much for just abandoning the internet if not for an occasional visit, i owe a lot of this ideology to /üb/ mlpol has had such a possitive impact on my life, it would be hard to measure, this is also the only place on the modern internet where (in the past) i have had lenghty serious arguments with possitive outcomes.
Mlpol is in general a good place, no wonder it is so slow. There is very little "good" people on the internet, it is mostly composed of mindless idiots.
The internet is dying, anon, it has been for a long time now.
It is time to move on and find better use for your time;There's no glory left on this battlefield.
The internet is television 2.0 by this point, it is incredibly useful (i know it was for me, there's tons of free useful information just lying around) but it can also be an incredibly effective time-sink (I recommend this video on the matter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQeWe8_fkfg)
There's no place for oldfags, the internet is not the secret nerd's club anymore, it is part of the mainstream.
Now that the cow has milked, slaughtered and people are already eating it's meat, maybe it's time to just find better things to do with the cow's corpse.
I know i have spent the past 3 (or 4?) years away from all chans and social media and have instead focused on using the internet as a tool to gather useful information and learn, it's actually nice once you get used to it, to live your life mostly offline.
I advice all of you to just stop wasting your time on stupid internet shit because it has not been worth it for a long, long time now. Find something that's good for you and also brings you happiness and entertainment, even if it seems silly for everyone else, even if your fun comes from sewing pony plushies, it is better than to waste your time on the internet.
Before anyone asks why am i even posting if i advocate so much for just abandoning the internet if not for an occasional visit, i owe a lot of this ideology to /üb/ mlpol has had such a possitive impact on my life, it would be hard to measure, this is also the only place on the modern internet where (in the past) i have had lenghty serious arguments with possitive outcomes.
Mlpol is in general a good place, no wonder it is so slow. There is very little "good" people on the internet, it is mostly composed of mindless idiots.
>>320080
That's a symptom of the real problem: leadership that is neglectful at best and antagonistic at worst.
The old days, Moot would be interactive with his fans, and everything would be alright. When he cucked-out, shit just went south. Then GG happened, and instead of standing up for his users he bent the knee to the blackmail brigade. Then he left, gave the site to rapeape who sold halfchan to a scammer of all things.
Leadership that isn't willing to stand up for it's userbase being abused, is no different from a father not standing up for his kid being abused.
>>320127
>the internet is awful and dying
It's not the internet, it's the search engines.
Search engines have been shit because of the same reason every single big media source today is shit: business and politics.
They want/need money, and because it's such an impersonal service on the customer-end, they end up getting funding and being obligated to do shit by sociopathic cunts. Most of that shit lately, is the pushing of "their content" versus what the internet actually is and should be.
It's like if every single train station or bus station was financially-incentivized to route traffic to only 'these specific stations' because the coffee shops and convenience stores were funding said train stations in the first place. Even if everything is logistically-sound to move people to that location, there are so many other places that they can go to or need to go to.
It's not that the internet is dying, it's that the people holding the search-engine's strings are the ones building the walled gardens.
That's a symptom of the real problem: leadership that is neglectful at best and antagonistic at worst.
The old days, Moot would be interactive with his fans, and everything would be alright. When he cucked-out, shit just went south. Then GG happened, and instead of standing up for his users he bent the knee to the blackmail brigade. Then he left, gave the site to rapeape who sold halfchan to a scammer of all things.
Leadership that isn't willing to stand up for it's userbase being abused, is no different from a father not standing up for his kid being abused.
>>320127
>the internet is awful and dying
It's not the internet, it's the search engines.
Search engines have been shit because of the same reason every single big media source today is shit: business and politics.
They want/need money, and because it's such an impersonal service on the customer-end, they end up getting funding and being obligated to do shit by sociopathic cunts. Most of that shit lately, is the pushing of "their content" versus what the internet actually is and should be.
It's like if every single train station or bus station was financially-incentivized to route traffic to only 'these specific stations' because the coffee shops and convenience stores were funding said train stations in the first place. Even if everything is logistically-sound to move people to that location, there are so many other places that they can go to or need to go to.
It's not that the internet is dying, it's that the people holding the search-engine's strings are the ones building the walled gardens.
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>>320127
I agree to a certain degree, but I don't think in the way you intend.
The internet is larger and more active than ever. The problem is we're all being purposely corralled into these little camps, i.e. the Twitter, the Facebook, the YouTube. The reality is, forums still exist, greentext boards like /mlpol/ are still chugging along. Alternatives, better search engines, better video hosting sites, and so forth are popping up almost every day at this point. The biggest thing holding it all back is the lack of normie accessibility. I know about these sites from almost two decades of internet use now and bookmarking literally fucking everything I come across. Not every average joe is going to do that. My father barely knows how to install something like Adblock. I guess that's a good thing, it makes these refuge and alt-sites a little more exclusive, like how the internet used to be. But the general sentiment I agree with is mainstream internet is dying. It's a degenerate hellscape that rewards the tribal, sex-craved, and nihilistic. The most bullshit shit gets all the attention, while the art gets intentionally ignored.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is, shit tons of alternatives exist. It's just unfortunate you have to do some research to find them.
I agree to a certain degree, but I don't think in the way you intend.
The internet is larger and more active than ever. The problem is we're all being purposely corralled into these little camps, i.e. the Twitter, the Facebook, the YouTube. The reality is, forums still exist, greentext boards like /mlpol/ are still chugging along. Alternatives, better search engines, better video hosting sites, and so forth are popping up almost every day at this point. The biggest thing holding it all back is the lack of normie accessibility. I know about these sites from almost two decades of internet use now and bookmarking literally fucking everything I come across. Not every average joe is going to do that. My father barely knows how to install something like Adblock. I guess that's a good thing, it makes these refuge and alt-sites a little more exclusive, like how the internet used to be. But the general sentiment I agree with is mainstream internet is dying. It's a degenerate hellscape that rewards the tribal, sex-craved, and nihilistic. The most bullshit shit gets all the attention, while the art gets intentionally ignored.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is, shit tons of alternatives exist. It's just unfortunate you have to do some research to find them.
>>320322
I am split between these opinions. Exclusivity is absolutely needed if you ever wanted something fun again. I don't know how you do that now. I don't like using Tor because everyone knows the FBI watches it although maybe onion sites are the solution. I hate using it though. Technical literacy is down because ironically the internet is too good and no one needs to have computer skills anymore. You just download tiktok and let the thot stream start.
This anon >>320127 is not wrong though. I used to spend a lot of time on /b/ and it was a lot of fun but you can't spend your whole life on the internet. It's not healthy. Would I do that again right now? yes, probably. But it would have to be damned good. Tough to say whether recreating old apps but new would bring the same good around. It might have also been the times they existed in that mattered.
/mlpol/ is one of the few legitimate alt chans in existence.
I am split between these opinions. Exclusivity is absolutely needed if you ever wanted something fun again. I don't know how you do that now. I don't like using Tor because everyone knows the FBI watches it although maybe onion sites are the solution. I hate using it though. Technical literacy is down because ironically the internet is too good and no one needs to have computer skills anymore. You just download tiktok and let the thot stream start.
This anon >>320127 is not wrong though. I used to spend a lot of time on /b/ and it was a lot of fun but you can't spend your whole life on the internet. It's not healthy. Would I do that again right now? yes, probably. But it would have to be damned good. Tough to say whether recreating old apps but new would bring the same good around. It might have also been the times they existed in that mattered.
/mlpol/ is one of the few legitimate alt chans in existence.
Just like with anything when it becomes mainstream it turns to shit
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>>320339
I learned this the hard way. It's funny, even now, I don't know if it's just my brain wired that way, or I really just have incredibly niche tastes, but anything I actually enjoy nowadays, it happens to not make money or be popular. For example, the recent movie Malignant. Saw it on a whim because I like James Wan, the movie was fucking baller. Absolutely insane and awesome. And guess what? It's bombing at the box office. It happens to me all the time, with games, comics, movies, whatever. I think it's how I was raised, I never liked much stuff that was incredibly popular. Not a sports fan, not an MCU fan, and I hate most mainstream music, even from the 2000's.
I learned this the hard way. It's funny, even now, I don't know if it's just my brain wired that way, or I really just have incredibly niche tastes, but anything I actually enjoy nowadays, it happens to not make money or be popular. For example, the recent movie Malignant. Saw it on a whim because I like James Wan, the movie was fucking baller. Absolutely insane and awesome. And guess what? It's bombing at the box office. It happens to me all the time, with games, comics, movies, whatever. I think it's how I was raised, I never liked much stuff that was incredibly popular. Not a sports fan, not an MCU fan, and I hate most mainstream music, even from the 2000's.
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>>320331
>Technical literacy is down because ironically the internet is too good and no one needs to have computer skills anymore.
When appealing to the lowest common denominator for the widest market group making it easy and attention grabbing is the goal. A person could go through hard work and learn things or the easiest option is to make use of what's already there.
Or the laziest option.
>>320339
>>320362
The crux of the issue is that the main stream degrades everything in everyway just depending on what it is.
I'm no exception but another factor is that caring deeply and taking action that is self directed is not applied there.
Places that people can be free and with others that care deeply (even if that's taking time to make a joke site almost nobody will see) I think is part of what makes it.
Everything is designed to hook into people and exploit every mental feature all the time. With multiple conflicting interests for time and energy.
>>320292
>>320127
The thing is that the internet is starting to look like the (((minimalist, new art))) brutalist structures to minimize cost, maximize 'clicks', shipped off to be done by someone who won't care.
The accessibility of information is immense, finding the right thing takes skill, luck and effort.
Even considering some of the problems that arise trying to find some things raise flags, but even then the excess of information drowns somethings.
>>319242
Yes.
Others are making another internet protocol for a 'distributed' internet. But what if someone made another different protocol that uses a generator (deencryption) out of specific inputs.
Nevermind already been done somewhere else probably.
>Technical literacy is down because ironically the internet is too good and no one needs to have computer skills anymore.
When appealing to the lowest common denominator for the widest market group making it easy and attention grabbing is the goal. A person could go through hard work and learn things or the easiest option is to make use of what's already there.
Or the laziest option.
>>320339
>>320362
The crux of the issue is that the main stream degrades everything in everyway just depending on what it is.
I'm no exception but another factor is that caring deeply and taking action that is self directed is not applied there.
Places that people can be free and with others that care deeply (even if that's taking time to make a joke site almost nobody will see) I think is part of what makes it.
Everything is designed to hook into people and exploit every mental feature all the time. With multiple conflicting interests for time and energy.
>>320292
>>320127
The thing is that the internet is starting to look like the (((minimalist, new art))) brutalist structures to minimize cost, maximize 'clicks', shipped off to be done by someone who won't care.
The accessibility of information is immense, finding the right thing takes skill, luck and effort.
Even considering some of the problems that arise trying to find some things raise flags, but even then the excess of information drowns somethings.
>>319242
Yes.
Others are making another internet protocol for a 'distributed' internet. But what if someone made another different protocol that uses a generator (deencryption) out of specific inputs.
Nevermind already been done somewhere else probably.
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