/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>>243525
Maybe, it's a meme like the Proud boys thing.

>>243529
It's a meme? You're retarded.

>>243531
>WASHINGTON, D.C. - Acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan announced the agency’s new counterterrorism strategy at an event at the Brookings institute Friday, and for the first time, DHS is focused on addressing the threat of white nationalism coming from within the borders of the United States.*

*http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/white-nationalism-is-now-recognized-as-a-major-terror-threat-by-the-department-of-homeland-security

>>243525
>>243540
color me surprised, i guess Tarrant was right
i just didn't expect it to be this fast

I wonder how that happened? Surely radicals aren't a risk?
https://endchan.net/.media/f953a6531c8eaef6533b1cc9f0f4932e-videomp4.mp4

No babies, no future. Gov's are forced to deal with reality. Reality is no babies = immigration. Spergs won't solve this. Gov should stop them. Whites did this to themselves, willingly, and even paid to do it to themselves.

Also with boomers retiring the average age of community decision makers will drop and so the intelligence level of decisions will drop.

>>243554
>>243540
Maybe this could be spun in a way that makes it look like they are saying that all white people are terrorists.

>>243556
Rest assured, it will happen. It already is, given how anyone who speaks against the left is being labelled nazis and such.

>>243555
>Gov's are forced to deal with reality. Reality is no babies = immigration. Spergs won't solve this. Gov should stop them. Whites did this to themselves, willingly, and even paid to do it to themselves.
Govs could pay people to have children. This has been shown to work in other countries. Replacement migration is only really a thing in liberal countries where all people are believed to be the same -- thus the importation of more. You are not only wrong, but basically illiterate.

>>243555
Just noticed you are German. Colour me unsurprised.

>>243559
Paying people to have children is socialism.

>>243556
The only people who would care are rightwing whites, because leftists hate themselves and nonwhites don't care about us. Won't work.

>>243561
Yep, I knew you were a fucking idiot. "Paying people to have kids = bad -- so just replace yourselves." You're also a masochistic faggot.

>>243561
You say that like it's an intrinsically bad thing. Go be cucked somewhere else.

>>243561
*National socialism
FTFY
>>243562
Yea you are right unfortunately.

>>243562
I never said it was bad. It was a neutral statement to see your reaction. I actually agree, the gov should pay women to have children. The gov then recoups the money in future taxes from those babies.

>>243563
You also took a neutral statement and made incorrect assumptions.

DHS should watch out for spergs and gov should incentivise baby making.

>>243554
Tarrant's manifesto is prophetic. His ability to read the future is in the 99.99th percentile. Unfortunately, not many people took him seriously, because he lacks impressive credentials.

>>243565
Testing a reactionary on a rightwing imageboard about that? I'm almost pressing "D" to doubt; but, then again, you are German. Carry on.

>>243567
It's also a friendship is magic board.

>>243568
Yeah, true -- but, I'm a 8chan veteran and whenever I chanpost, I feel like I'm posting on 8chan. Thus, that kind of reaction is reflexive.

So where is the organised push to incentivise baby making? Oh right, no one actually wants to change diapers.

>>243569
To me the demographics decide our fate. Sperging doesn't do a dramatic change to the numbers game. It's like Hitler, passion doesn't overcome pragnatism and accounting. If those aren't properly accounted for you lose no matter how passionate or violent.

>>243570
Actually, stats show lots of people do want kids, but the cost of modern living prohibits procreation, especially at an early age. That is by design, though. The elites want to stifle the success of the native populations.

>>243566
>lacks impressive credentials

Helping 51 moslems is pretty impressive, it's a shame they can't see that

>>243572
This
>Feelsbadman

>>243571
Yes, I absolutely agree. What also decides our fate is how hard we fight to secure at least something we could call an ethnostate. See, you can breed, but it isn't simply a case of fix the birth-rates and stop the immigration, because the reason for immigration is two-fold: reverse colonization and fresh economic-contribution monkies.

Not only should you be raw-dogging an Aryan waifu, but you should be preparing to kill.

>>243572
Actually capitalism maximises extraction of wealth from normies. I need a reference for the stated conspiracy.

For example house prices is pure capitalism. And 2 workers can pay more than 1 worker and a stay at home mother.

>>243569
It sounds to me like you're requesting a deluge of horsepussy

>>243575
>you should be preparing to kill.

I prefer to be civilized. But I can send you some magazines in jail.

>>243576
>I need a reference for the stated conspiracy.
You mean you haven't seen the open calls to replace white people? You haven't noticed that self-hating leftists want to destroy the west? You haven't noticed that leftists control our nations?
There are, of course, sources, but I won't take time out of my day to find something marginally academic for you to nibble on when the truth is so obvious.

>>243578
The Muslims raping and pillaging your land(And my Fatherland) love it that way.

>>243578
Faggot. They are using violence to replace us and whites will soon disappear as a result if we do not fight back. But, you want to be civil because it gives you the feeling of being more virtuous. Go read game theory, please.

itt: German requires documented proof of anti-white conspiracy from his panic room with a straight face

>>243579
People plan conspiracies all the time, of every type. I don't believe conspiracies are the root cause of events. A more pragmatic underlying situation has to occur which allows the conspiracy to actually gain traction.

The plan by some to get rid of whites would not work if whites did not love the Pill so much. For me the root cause is the Pill, the conspiracy is a tag-along after effect.

What happens is as whites decline others see the advantage to them and join in celebrating and claiming they did it. Then the spergs see the claims and decide to chimp out.

Babies, and lack of, is the root everything.

>>243525
Fff- this is fine I'm an Equineitarian.
>>243554
>>243566
Checked

Things are going to deteriorate fast. Only when the gallows are close enough to touch will the majority normalfag populace do anything.
Those that stay true to good values will find themselves besieged on all sides defending the spark that will ignite hope, and mud caked determination.

>>243578
>I prefer to be civilized.
That still means you should prepare yourself to be the most dangerous, the most prepared, the best you can possibly be.
Onslaught them from every dimension. Economic, Information, Physical, Spiritual, and Mental.

For all choices rest on the freedom of all technical choices. The currency of physicality.

>>243586
That first pic is TRUTH.

>>243576
I'd say a lot more of the blame belongs to the Federal Reserve, which devalues wages and disincentivises the savings which makes having a family affordable by continually reducing the value of money. Of course private firms took advantage of this, but they were moreso responding to the conditions created by Keynesian monetary policy than actively working to create those conditions.
>>243587
Maybe if you're a blackpilled faggot

>>243585
Dude... the pill is a large part of the kike conspiracy to kill our race so they can rule of a Retarded slave race of shitskins.

>>243585
>The plan by some to get rid of whites would not work if whites did not love the Pill so much.
And who has worked so hard at getting young people on the pill? Who has worked so hard at spreading feminism? Who has worked so hard at spreading anti-natalist global warming propaganda?

Oh shit, nigger!!!

>>243587
Pic related.

>>243585
>The plan by some to get rid of whites would not work if whites did not love the Pill so much.
That is part of the root of the indoctrination. The Pill sets you 'free'.
The family courts are a nightmare.
The standards for finding a suitable partner has been burned.
Feminism destroying impressionable minds.
There is no place to find a love interest.
Cost of caring for a child is immense.
If somehow that happens then they must survive the indoctrination system, or be home schooled.
One is kills the imagination and soul the other social bonds and even more strain.
They declined the birth rate, and then as if by magic they need to import slaves, and future meat shields.

>the conspiracy is a tag-along after effect.
A more pragmatic approach is to see the forest, and the trees.
It is a conspiracy because it is true.

>>243590
>>243591
These.

>>243589
>disincentivises the savings
The purpose there is supposed to be to keep the economy moving (velocity of money) which keeps people employed. But I do disagree with debt-money. The problem is capitalism makes baby making a obligation rather than an asset. Economically you are better of not having children. That needs to be offset by gov making baby making equivalent to being employed.

>Maybe if you're a blackpilled faggot
Most of the universe is black. You will die no matter how much you struggle. Nothing lasts for ever.

>>243593
>Most of the universe is black.
This pseudo-intellectual contrarian horseshit is why you are now filtered. I suggest that everyone else filter you, too. Talking with you is a waste of time.

>>243593
Quick! Post the cycles meme again!

>>243593
>The problem is capitalism makes baby making a obligation rather than an asset.
Okay, but how so? In my post I laid out an explanation for why I hold declining white birthrates to be a result of the Fed's money policy, I see no such explanation for how it is a result of capitalism in your post.
>Most of the universe is black.
And the white race is the light.

>>243593
>The problem is capitalism makes baby making a obligation rather than an asset. Economically you are better of not having children
Hold on. That's by (((their))) design.
In ye olden days children were the key to a happyish retirement.

In emotionless capitalism children are the new fodder, and hosts to continue the memetic beings of money, and production.

In not batshit insane capitalism they are the Lords, Labour, and Masters of themselves, and their money. Children are the longest term investment for the future of humanity, and by extension the economy, and the nation, and everything else.

(((They))) hijacked that. They desperately try to eliminate any who want to get things back on track.

>You will die no matter how much you struggle. Nothing lasts for ever.
Take off those blind man's shades, and take a look around. It isn't just about you, and the near future. Think longer term. We know more about what makes people die.
We know more about entropy.
We know more about the strange fucking shithole this place is, and we aren't even close to finished.
>Nothing lasted forever.
Not even death, nor entropy can withstand the collective light of humanity.

>>243590
No one forces whites to take the Pill. They are co-conspirators in baby rate reduction. So we should kill women on the Pill, oh wait that won't help will it... we should raid there bathroom cabinets!!

>>243592
>That is part of the root of the indoctrination. The Pill sets you 'free'.
So whites are weak minded? And others are strong minded? The weak should fear the stronk!!

>The family courts are a nightmare.
For all races.

>The standards for finding a suitable partner has been burned.
>Feminism destroying impressionable minds.
>There is no place to find a love interest.

Feminism is very interesting, it starts as having a good reason to exist and ends in decimating everything. It's a good example of how moving in a straight line ends in disaster.

In WW1 soldiers are given condoms to stop the bringing home of sexual diseases (men did this), when the war is over the knowledge/expectation of condoms comes with them. A woman who lost her mother to unwanted child-birth decides to start family planning and distributing condoms to stop motherhood deaths and economic hardships due to having too many children (women did this). World War II has men going overseas to kill each other while women stay home and then get jobs in factories to make bullets so men can kill each other over seas (men did this). Women see that they can be workers, have money, be financially independent and therefore .... equal to men. (women did this). Now women want jobs, more freedom, and planning no to have families! Men and women working together made a very impressive situation where the productivity of humanity rose from the 60s to now as 2 members of every family unit was working and producing.... all at the expense of the futre because of no kids.

The internet or computers might have been further in the future without this doubling of productivity and inventions. Now that the party is over we get to have a massive demographic hangover. Sperging wont change that. Nothing is for free.

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. However that future will not be secured by gunning down randos in public.

>>243597
>Hold on. That's by (((their))) design.
OMG (((they))) made child raising a wealth and time sink? (((They))) made babies cause sleepless nights? Holyshit they truly are Masters of Reality! Us the weak should fear (((them)) the strong!!

>In emotionless capitalism children are the new fodder, and hosts to continue the memetic beings of money, and production.

This sounds more like a Oswald Spengler transition. (((They))) must be controlling not only reality but time as well!

>Not even death, nor entropy can withstand the collective light of humanity.
Power corrupts. If there is any light in humanity it is in the humble, but the humble won't ever be powerful and therefore wont be influential, and the powerful are corrupt or will be corrupted by gaining that power.

>>243599
>We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. However that future will not be secured by gunning down randos in public.
Can't have kids in jail (or dead). Also that first sentence needs to include an obligation to make children. No point securing a future for white children and then taking the Pill.

Who wants to take the Pill away from white women? Anyone? Who wants to tread on their Western freedom? Maybe Islam is the answer?

>>243602
>Who wants to tread on their Western freedom?
If Western "freedom" results in the death of civilization then it is necessary to take it away.

>>243598
M8 they literally do. through propaganda and media control.

>>243603
If Western freedoms end, did you save the West?

>>243604
So whites are weak minded. Evolution then will remove them.

>>243606
It just clicked. WHITES ARE WEAK MINDED. Hitler's speeches are a successful example of how whites can be controlled into a direction. (((They))) or anyone else (news media) can do the same.

Wow what a cucked race.

>>243605
We don't need to get rid of all freedom. We need to get rid of the destructive elements.

>>243525
>White nationalism is now recognized as a major terror threat by the Department of Homeland Security.*
Very important to not lose the main goal here.

>>243599
Very much this.

>>243598
>Everything.
1. That's a false dichotomy.
2. The mind can be modified by anyone.
3. That's even better for (((them))) they control the cattle.
4. Feminism has jewish roots with connections to communism. It 'feels' good.
>>243600
It's by policy, and machinations

>capitalism makes baby making a obligation rather than an asset. Economically you are better of not having children
>>In emotionless capitalism children are the new fodder, and hosts to continue the memetic beings of money, and production.
>This sounds more like a Oswald Spengler transition. (((They))) must be controlling not only reality but time as well!
In this I'm showing capitalism at it's worst demands children to be born.

>>243605
If the West ends, did you save the freedoms?

>>243606
>So people are weak minded. Evolution then will remove them.
Fixed it for you.

>>243607
Less cucked than you friendo.

>>243606
How about you remove your life from the planet you muslim loving cuck faggot.

>>243607
> just clicked. WHITES ARE WEAK MINDED. Hitler's speeches are a successful example of how whites can be controlled into a direction.
Surely you aren't implying that whites are the only race affected by propaganda. Go look at chinks if you want to see a race that is easily controlled.

>>243608
Sounds reasonable. But removing contraception is a major freedom. Financial help would solve this, throw in public recognition for successfully raising a child to adulthood without that child breaking laws etc.

>>243610
Who would raise my white kids?

>>243612
>major freedom
Explain.

>>243613
Hopefully not the sex den you have them in now.

>>243611
I am intrigued by this. Do we have any data on the susceptibility differences to propaganda by race? Or is there negligible differences?

>>243613
the caliphate of Germany

>>243614
>>But removing contraception is a major freedom
>Explain.

Choosing when and if to have a child is a major freedom because it has a dramatic life changing effect that lasts decades. Removing contraception choice removes planning your life's whole future. Of course leaving it in place changes the whole culture/races future.

>>243615
>Do we have any data on the susceptibility differences to propaganda by race?
Not sure we have any data, but we can look at the philosophers produced by different races. Whites have people like Locke and the Chinese have people like Confucius. One culture is clearly more geared towards collectivism.

>>243612
>But removing contraception is a major freedom.
Contraception is a destructive element. Contraception puts the future of the entire civilization at risk. It is something that we can justify taking away.

>>243616
Who will put women in their place! No clit for you! AND will cause economic ruin which will raise the social value of having children! See there is a plan! Nature wins.

If civilisation and technology strays too far from nature, civilization implodes, and we return to nature.

>>243617
>Removing contraception choice removes planning your life's whole future. Of course leaving it in place changes the whole culture/races future.
Before numerous contraception choices, people made much better life decisions. What's worse than mindless hedonism and voting for your own extinction? A: almost anything.

Once again, nothing but brainless commentary from you. I'm out of here.

>>243621
*A: nothing.

(fucked that post up :()

>>243621
There is still the pragmatic problems of implementing your ideas. Passion alone doesn't win.

>Once again, nothing but brainless commentary from you. I'm out of here.
I am sorry I failed to live down to your 8chan standards. I'll put more effort into devolving.

>>243620
So you want your women Raped,Humiliated and Abused by Goat Fucking savages?
>Who will put women in their place!
(You) should faggot.

>>243624
What I want doesn't matter. What is practically achievable is all that actually matters. If you fight for what is not achievable then you are just wasting your time.

What I actually want is a pony. Can I have a pony?

>>243525
Link to the news site.

http://archive.is/89aNb

https://www.foxla.com/news/white-nationalism-is-now-recognized-as-a-major-terror-threat-by-the-department-of-homeland-security

>>243623
At least we know this is confirmed by your presence here. Thanks.

>>243621
Awww c'mon just filter him again

>>243626
>What is practically achievable is all that actually matters.
Why are the 14 words not practically achievable? We all know something is coming. There is going to be an opportunity.

>>243629
The 14 words never had to deal with the Pill. They fall short of the post 1960 problem.

>>243626
You used to be a Proud Nation. Uncle Adolf and the Rest of the Martyrs of the 2nd world war look upon you with disgust. what the fuck happend to you Germany?

>>243631
You did, USA.

>>243632
Thats actually a fair criticism

>>243632
Wrong. International Jewry is what happend to you. My Country has been hijacked by a Parasitical Force. but i think you already knew that.

>>243634
USA is to blame then for being weak. All transactions require 2 agreeing parties. Both deserve blame.

>243626
What the fuck even is this argument?
In relation to this >>243624

>>243621
Thanks (OP).

>>243630
>The 14 words never had to deal with the Pill.
We are going to see a collapse. We will have all the justification we need to get rid of the pill.

>>243638
Interesting how every solution ends up being the next problem. Authoritarianism is the solution to Libertarianism, and then Libertarianism will be the solution to Authoritarianism.

Should it remain this way forever?

>>243635
That's like saying that Russia is to blame for Communism for being weak. Let's not neglect that the onus begins and ends with given leaders at a given time.

>>243636
The poster assumed that I 'want' the Islamic solution. I was trying to convey that 'want' is not a factor. Nature will naturally follow the path that makes babies. It does not have to be a civilized path, any path that makes babies will do.

What I want has no bearing.

>>243623
Typical German, you think being a cuck is high class and intellectual. Meanwhile, the world laughs at you.

>>243643
I thought you said you were out. No offense but c'mon, that was weak

>>243641
Yes. But to be fair the blame falls on both sides. The attacking group and the lack-of-defending group. Chans tend to only blame the attacking group and conveniently fail to mention the weakness of the defending group.

Paradoxically they then say the weak should fear the strong. Then they advocate for uncivilized behaviour showing the desperation caused by their inherent psychological weakness.

But this is the process of (civilization?) evolution. And we can't escape nature and evolution. If we are too weak or mismanage a strategy we go extinct. Since the attackers never stop the burden is on the defending group to develop resistance psychologically to the temptation of socialist communist utopias.

But since we are born as children who have 2 decades of getting free stuff we will never be able to resist those good times temptations of free stuff from parents (goverments).

>>243645
Had to be said, but I'm out now.

>>243643
You are reduced to name calling. Surely you can go lower than that? Oh wait you cant, you actually did the 2 bottom levels. Pic related.

>>243646
Perhaps, but the generations you're talking about didn't have the benefit of the internet and the mass spread of information; you know, like (you) do.
>>243647
You said that once before. I'm not calling on you to leave, I'm saying you have more to gain by not making a show of it especially if you evidently have no intention of doing so, whether before or after.
>>243648
Oh, you're one to talk about logical fallacies

>>243650
>Oh, you're one to talk about logical fallacies
I'm listening....

>>243651
But not paying attention? You've been arguing rhetoric the whole time. Not exclusively but liberally, and not just ITT.

>>243653
Example please.

>>243654

>>243561
>>243565
>>243570
>>243578
>>243585
And that took me less than 60 seconds, without diving back into the other thread

>>243655
Is rhetoric bad? I am assuming you are saying it is bad.

>Aristotle defines rhetoric as "the faculty of observing in any given case the available means of persuasion" ... calls it "a combination of the science of logic and of the ethical branch of politics".
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric

Aren't all conversations attempts at persuasion? Did not the other posters attempt persuasion? Did I fail to use any logic or evidence, like >>243555 ? And why did Epona give me trips?

>>243657
Rhetoric in absence of sufficient facts is sufficient to defeating a person who is arguing, but not an argument in its self.
>muh trips
This is precisely what I'm talking about

>>243659
But I showed facts: >>243555 AND used rhetoric.
Can't have fun while being serious?
You seem to want to imply I did rhetoric only. That is a lie.

>>243660
Implying it was a 1 to 1 ratio of facts and rhetoric. Further implying that the facts and rhetoric have anything to do with the thread topic.
>Yet another thread derailed by *ahem* no one of any importance

>>243661

Sorry for ruining your thread. I'll leave and try to hide my power level. Sperg on.

>>243662
You misunderstand, its not my thread, yours, or OPs. But the degree to which its been wantonly redirected does not give anyone the right to grandstand, especially under pretense that there's a productive discussion going on. To me it looks like a bunch of anons with axes to grind and dancing around the issue, which considering where we are at is rather significant.

how much do you guys want to bet that this faggot >>243598 is not only non-white but also using a proxy?
>No one forces whites to take the Pill. They
>They

>>243664
His autism levels are impressive but he seems to be arguing in bad faith

>>243664
Can refute
>>243665
>autism
You have no idea, but that's not pertinent either

>>243659
>This is precisely what I'm talking about
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

>>243667
And I find your diversionary tactics to be jew-tier. Your point?

>>243525
Accelerationism baby.
Soon there will be roadblocks and -"Papers Please!"

>>243668
Ponies allowed no exceptions. You all have the capacity to fill up this thread. But keep focusing on me. Stop it, my ego can only get so large.

>>243671
It's another interesting idea that those advocating for fascism could actually get it and then realise they are under the boot rather than wearing it. Also fascism doesn't have to be white fascism.

>>243672
>if y’all stopped responding to my pages of sperging, I’d stop.
Pull the other one

>>243674
I'm not gay, anon.

Did anyone notice that Hitler killed white people?

>>243679
Well, first you derail the thread with the baby stuff, when is well know that the issue at hand is a gun stuff. Then you switch to trolling. What's next?

What a shit thread completley derailed with offtopic garbage

>Trumps DHS Officially Labels White Nationalism a Major Terrorist Threat
Let the idea sink, Trump is the other side of the same coin.
Sadly, the odds assessing the situation are not good at all and they are the reason why the kikes are openly doing their move against Whites.
Retreat, reorganize, redeploy.

>>243683
It explicitly mentions 'extremists', while we know that the left largely regards anyone to the right of Mao a right wing extremist, you still cannot be legally prosecuted so long as you're not actively calling for people to be shot. Though this, in combination with red flag laws, would serve to disarm white nationalists in the US regardless.

Be aware anons, the shill army is at work.

>>243683
>Let the idea sink, Trump is the other side of the same coin.
The mask is falling off.

threadly reminder that 7e238 aka Vril is not from Germany and received a german flag from Administration via request, despite being a North American resident. Hes a contrarian centrist who unironically believes in Q Anon. I am shocked and appalled by this massive thread derailment and disassociate myself from any posts who correlate me or my country with this behavior.

for proof ask him to translate you something.

>>243525

Very sad that white nationalism got classified as terrorism before Antifa. Zion Blumphy truly hates White America.

>>243686

the ADL and the other jew shills must have known of this in advance. this move of Homeland security was clearly pressured by Israeli lobbyists.

>>243681

i am displeased as well. if i did not know better id said Vril is now getting paid by the ADL to derail threads. hes solely responsible for almost a third of the posts here.

>>243686
How does that fag even have a following still?

>>243525
>Angry
Is that the purpose of this thread?
Well, white nationalism Is terrorism? Alright, take this chance and create a formal political party basically NatSoc with another name, a nationalist party independent of colour, get some people in and lets see what happens, you are white, nationalist but not a "white nationalist"

>>243570
Oh course Is about laziness and not at all about the current socio economical situation of the world as well as the decadence of marriage and general hedonism.

>>243525
>another fearmongering thread allowed to stay up
No wonder 8ch /pol/ became shill central before the site got shut down, a few bunch of reddit scum immune to ponies trying to shit up /mlpol/ with their tried and tested agitprop cancer

>>243555
>Reality is no babies = immigration
Growth for the sake of growth is cancer. We don't need infinite people.

>>243555
You know Boomers are retarded, right?
They're why Millennials were raised SJW.
Boomers wanted trophy-winning children to brag about, so "Everyone gets trophies" policies seemed good.

>>243690
>threadly reminder that 7e238 aka Vril is not from Germany and received a german flag from Administration via request
can the mods revoke his flag?

>>243748
Maybe, why?

>>243748
They can, they just don't want to. Site staff seems to think cleaning up after their pets is a social construct.

>>243756
Nigger, we’re not your personal servants here to enact your every personal preference upon other site users before you even ask for it. Guy asked for a forced flag more than a year ago back when that was a common thing, and we are under no obligation to anticipate that you don’t like it and remove it because you will not like it.

>>243757
Nigger, I've been on this site long before you were on staff. I'm well aware of the flag thing, and we both know it's sidestepping the real issue. Maybe you'd like to tell me why the guy can get away with the kind of thread spam that we both know you would ban anyone else into the stratosphere for?

>>243759
This, to be completely honest. Every thread I've seen Vril in, all he does is cycle-post and derail it, stifling any real discussion of the thread topic, it's getting irritating at this point, I just want to discuss/watch discussion of current events, not watch Vril shut down every discussion with cycles and tangentially related points.

It's fun to watch the itty bitty circle fella put fire into everything that's holy

>>243759
Nigger, because just being an insufferable twat is not against any of the rules.
>>243760
He has been temporarily banned before, and he has learned to color just inside the lines.

>>243759
>>243760
Well, let’s start off with because you didn’t report it, sweetheart. This is not something that has been discussed extensively or complained upon by many people. This is you immediately saying “why haven’t the site staff already done something about something I don’t like!” damn near out of the blue. Second and relatedly, if you haven’t noticed, when long time users try to to contribute to the discussion, we let them. When vril posts his discussion on birth rates and whatever, it may be something we’ve seen elsewhere, but it’s an attempt at discussion and contribution. We don’t pick out what kinds of contributions we don’t like and ban those, if a person is trying to contribute, we let them. We ban people who come only to disrupt. Thirdly, and again relatedly, I have better things to do with my time than to read every single post and try to anticipate which ones anon might not like. I have a full time professional job and other shit to do in my life. I try to watch the website, but frankly, when I see a post made by an IP hash that I recognize, or what looks like an attempt at actual sincere argument, I leave it be. I don’t have time to read every argument on the board every night. I try to weed out shit posted by outsiders who only want to disrupt the board. I do not insert my personal opinion on what kinds of posts by long time posters are “derailments” or unworthy of being posted. Frankly, “ZOG” posters are a hell of a better candidate for having their posts deleted for derailment and non-contribution than even mr cycle guy, but I don’t delete those because it’s not my business to use moderator powers to enact my personal preferences and idea of what constitutes discussion. When long time posters post, I usually let their posts stay.

I don’t exactly know what the remainder of the site staff thinks, but that is my perspective. If some guy posting about a birthrate causes you to freeze up and be unable to post on a topic anymore, that’s a problem with you. Don’t get pissy for the site staff not already doing something that’s barely been complained about.

>>243767
This. It also bears mentioning that 90% of the reports that are filed are things that rustled anon's jimmies, and are not actionable violations. Collectively, staff goes to great length to see to it that all legitimate posters get fair and equal treatment so long as they're not in violation.
Tl;dr Cry moar

>>243767
I never said it was against the rules and that it's the moderator's fault that he does what he does, it's merely poor chan etiquette on Vril's part and as such I can't and won't report it as rule breaking, but I will complain about it and hope he curbs his shit somewhat more. I see this more as a failure on the part of we, the users, to self police.

>>243769
I mean like, you know...

>>243770
That hasn't worked very well on Vril in the past, but at this point I'm just derailing the thread further, so I'm going back to lurking.

>>243765
The rules you routinely ignore, both literally and in spirit? When was the last time you upheld rule #9, again?
>>243767
>sweetheart.
Charming.
>when long time users try to to contribute to the discussion, we let them
So it's nepotism, and not the spirit of the rules, that dictates this issue. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
>We ban people who come only to disrupt.
So this:
>>243570
>>243587
>>243606
>>243607
>>243613
>>243620
>>243632
>>243648
>>243662
>>243667
>>243677
>>243679
Is not disruption?
>I have better things to do with my time
Like lettings things get to this point? Yes, I imagine you do.
>than to read every single post and try to anticipate which ones anon might not like.
This isn't a personal preference issue, and it never was. Kindly drop that line of justification.
And besides that, you don't have to. There are other mods and janitors that you can defer this process to. Why then are they taking this same passive stance as you?
>when I see a post made by an IP hash that I recognize, or what looks like an attempt at actual sincere argument, I leave it be.
Confirming once again that this is a nepotism issue.
>I try to weed out shit posted by outsiders who only want to disrupt the board.
And you and the rest of the staff have always done a fantastic job at this. You won't hear a single argument from me against your performance with external threats.
>I do not insert my personal opinion on what kinds of posts by long time posters are “derailments” or unworthy of being posted.
Good, you shouldn't.
>When long time posters post, I usually let their posts stay.
Nepotism.

>Don’t get pissy for the site staff not already doing something that’s barely been complained about.
First of all, the site staff here has historically been of significantly higher quality than most other chans and alt-chans. To add to that, site staff are also active content contributors to the site itself. They are not divorced from the community, they are part of it.
That makes your claim of:
>This is not something that has been discussed extensively or complained upon by many people.
Null and void on it's face.

Your defensive reply and snotty, "sweethart" riddled attitude perfectly demonstrates that at some point, both staff quality and staff remaining in sync with the posters ceased being true.

I mentioned the spirit of the rules before. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, let me post some of those rules with some highlights.
>4. No shill threads.
> [...] For this the rule prohibits any posts that attempt to divide the community by preying on doubt, all posts must be appeals to reason, not appeals to emotion or other logical fallacies like that
>5. No race-mixing.
>"blacked", "how can white men even compete", etc, threads ruined many parts of /pol/ turning large portions of the board into a wasteland of distracting rageposts while the mods did nothing
>As such posts that do nothing but attempt to elicit rage based on white race hatred are a bannable offense, thus sayeth the community
>6. No cuckoldery.
>This goes back to the same issues had with the race-mixing, cuckoldery threads are designed purely to distract otherwise bright intelligent young men from proper discussion, the result is once ago a board filled with low-quality threads distracting good posters from decent content
https://mlpol.net/policy.html

Now please explain to me how, exactly, this current thread and past ones are in tune with the spirit of these rules?

I've been posting here since the beginning, back when 4/mlpol/ was still in existence and when these rules were first cooked up there. I've had lots of fun here on this site, and I plan to have more. And I don't have to take this from some 1st-class power tripper with at least one janitorial lapdog to give him his dopamine fix.
Clean up your fucking act. This is beyond embarrasing.

>>243769
I guess my post does not apply to you then

>>243772
>>243772
I’m not going to repeat myself extensively, I’ll just rehash the most pertinent points

1. The word nepotism refers to favoritism in hiring practices for relatives. It does not apply to a policy of letting long time posters post freely. Especially since that generally policy applies to you and pretty much all of the posters in this thread, not just one guy. I don’t particularly like vril. I don’t fuck with him because I make a rule of not fucking with regular posters.
2. Again, I have a fucking job I don’t have time to read everything that some guy posts, especially since you didn’t ducking even report it. Don’t blame me for not doing shit when you won’t even do the bare minimum to try to draw it to my attention
3. The shill rule applies to outsiders trying to cause division. Not to posters you don’t like
4. The other mods take “a passive stance,” because, as >>243765 days, “being a faggot isn’t against the rules”
5. Clean up you own fucking act, and stop getting triggered because internet police hasn’t already done something against a poster you don’t like. If you want something done, then ask for it. Don’t get pissy because it isn’t already done before you say anything.
\r

>>243772
>rule #9
"GENERALS" are circlejerks that stew like-minded opinions without room for dissension, recall that originally Trump threads were an interesting place to get up-to date on the election and eventually became 30 awoo posts, 10 copy-pasted link posts, 20 posts about memeing energy, and and 200+ posts talking about dubs with little actual discussion talking
To prevent the kind of closed-minded thinking that was basically meme petri dishes "GENERALS" are forbidden, first post is edited to a happening, second is deleted with a warning, third is bannable
And how many generals are there? Is /sg/ a circlejerk? No, its a continual happening thread pertaining to what is occurring in Syria, which had been cucked into oblivion on 4chan. Additionally, this is the only place that pony-related material is allowed, and if you go back to the 4/mlpol/ archives you'll find that /mlpol/ did alot to temporarily increase participation in and around /sg/, and after /mlpol/ was kill and /sg/ was left to rot amidst shills and detractors, it was allowed to be here because its politics-related.
Then there's Anonfilly, which before you get to rule #9, you MUST have read rule #1 (#3). The /pone/ refugee general also falls under that category, and /nsg/ and /sig/ were both criticized for making a general on the board, and were informed what expectations there are on this site. The /nsg/ general was allowed to stay cuz politics related, and /sig/ hasn't been active enough to warrant deletion, as everyone aptly moved over to /ub/.
Have I missed any?
>nepotism
That's a rather disingenuous way of looking at it, when the reality is that a poster doesn't need to be long-standing to get a pass (especially since alot of our posters VPN and thereby have no posting history). It's not a question of duration, its a question of "is this anon a shill or a detractor" (rules 4-8 and 11-13 violation).
>>243775
Also this. I don't particularly like Vril either, but that's not required nor a sufficient justification to swing the hammer around.

>>243775
1.
Firstly, don't pull this 'dictionary definition' stuff. It's obvious deflection and reaching.
>It does not apply to a policy of letting long time posters post freely.
Posted in the same thread where you let long time posters post freely. If you're trying to insult me, it's working.
>Especially since that generally policy applies to you and pretty much all of the posters in this thread, not just one guy.
I'm acutely aware of this. Don't insult me.
>I don’t particularly like vril.
I don't particularly care about your opinion on either him or me.
2.
>Again, I have a fucking job
So do I and most of the other users on the site. That's not an argument. And I already said that you can defer these tasks, further minimizing this point.
>especially since you didn’t ducking even report it.
Since the subtext of my post didn't sink in, I'll put it explicitly. When the staff and community are in sync, the staff operate on initiative, rendering reporting unnecessary.
Or are you going to tell me that https://mlpol.net/mlpol/archive/res/123545.html was the subject of reports, and not staff operating on initiative?
>Don’t blame me for not doing shit
I can, and I will.
Staff operated on initiative before. What changed?
3.
>The shill rule applies to outsiders trying to cause division.
And not insiders? I hope this isn't more selective definition orthodoxy.
4.
>because, as >>243765 says
I don't rightly care much about what he says on this. The admin and janitor difference means that there is a power differential at play here.
>“being a faggot isn’t against the rules”
This is only a tertiary aspect of this. You know it, I know it. Stop presenting this as if it were a central point, because it is not.

The rest of your post is a patent ignoring of what I've already stated.
By the way, it hasn't escaped my notice that you failed to acknowledge my list of disruptive posts, and my point on following the spirit of the rules.

>>243776
>Is /sg/ a circlejerk? No, its a continual happening thread
Correct. No argument here.
>Then there's Anonfilly
Yes, and I argued in favour of an exception to this rule being made for them in >>>/go/3280 →
I made the positive argument, besides the reasons in the thread, under the auspices that it would be a unique, or perhaps even one-time event for a dispossessed community. It was not made with the understanding that you would then proceed to ignore rule #9 entirely. Plus, if you're reading this, I'm sorry. You were right about the precedent thing in the end.
>The /pone/ refugee general also falls under that category, and /nsg/ and /sig/ were both criticized for making a general on the board, and were informed what expectations there are on this site.
Just not in the way prescribed by the actual site rules.
>9. "HAPPENINGS" allowed, but not "GENERALS"
>To prevent the kind of closed-minded thinking that was basically meme petri dishes "GENERALS" are forbidden, first post is edited to a happening, second is deleted with a warning, third is bannable
And wouldn't you know it, those threads remain unedited, as per the letter of the rule.
>Have I missed any?
Random News, Garbage Can, /QAnonResearch/ general, and Horsepussy thread. Off the top of my head.
>That's a rather disingenuous way of looking at it, when the reality is that a poster doesn't need to be long-standing to get a pass
Observable reality:
>>241195 →
>>236583 →
>>234482 →
Begs to disagree.
That last one also happens to have our current person of discussion browbeating a janitor into letting things slide. That wouldn't happen to be you, would it?

I'll see where this leads after I get some sleep. My money's on things going nowhere, and the issue festering for another year until another flare-up like this.
Again.
https://mlpol.net/mlpol/archive/res/165532.html
↺

>>243778
At this point I’m not even entirely sure what you think your grounds for argument is. I’ve explained already that I give posters quite a bit of leeway, being a faggot isn’t against the rules, you’re being a monumental faggot for expecting me to delete posts you take issue with while I am sleeping, and the rest of the staff can take initiative on their own. That they have not shows that they don’t agree with you - I certainly haven’t directed them to do anything. Do you want me to wipe your ass for you as well?
\r

>>243767
>When vril posts his discussion on birth rates and whatever, it may be something we’ve seen elsewhere, but it’s an attempt at discussion and contribution.
Well, I have to agree with this.
Sometimes his autism cross the line, but in the long run he is one of us. Just drop the subject and move on please.

>>243778
I'll let Lotus speak for himself on this and just address the stuff directed at me.
>/pone/ refugee thread
>/pone/
What about ponies are allowed, no exceptions do you not understand? One could make a case that its not literally about ponies, its about horsefuckers. Having said, do you really think that I in particular and staff in general is going to nix a thread for anons who lost their board, given what /mlpol/ has experienced in the early part of its existence when transitioning here?
>threads unedited
Anon, I'm gonna let you in on a secret. Come closer. IDGAF about the letter of the rules, I care more about the spirit of them, and when necessary use them as justification for taking action. If the rules don't justify the action I want to take, I don't take it.
>Rando News
>Garbage Can
>Horsepussy thread
How are those generals? Because there've been more than one? Get fucked. Seriously.
>/QAnonResearch/
Technically its not a general, nor does it fall under the other existing rules. What's more, perhaps you've noticed that in cases where users engage rule 10, staff tends to take a step back and watch the show. Its far more satisfying when users take matters into their own hand, and to encourage that we tend to let them have fun dousing the offender in horsepussy.
Pssst. Invaryingly, staff is in thread posting horsepussy and/or trolling.
>Those 3 threads
Who the fuck do you think was taking Vril to task in the Siege thread? I don't know what you're getting at with the Epstein thread, but FYI I posted more than a 1/2 dozen of the images in that one. As for the last, you're absolutely right that I'm the Scruffy in that thread. Brow-beaten? That's a matter of opinion. I see it as anon opting to act like a petulant child kinda like (you) are now and operate in a manner that is not ground for censure or ban. Because I can't force anons to not be faggots, as long as they're not in violation of any rules. I don't see why that's so hard to understand.
>my money's on
Literally no one asked
>final link
I honestly don't know what your point is by posting that, other than to illustrate that yes, Vril is in fact a faggot. Pretty sure that's long established. It's still not against the rules.
>>243783
>pic #2
Fucking based

>>243562
>The only people who would care are rightwing whites, because leftists hate themselves and nonwhites don't care about us. Won't work.

Thats the problem of living in proximity with whiteness,
It's (((dangerous)))

Alright, I've settled down now. I'll give this a polite sage.

>>243781
>you’re being a monumental faggot for expecting me to delete posts you take issue with while I am sleeping
I'll concede the former in a heartbeat, but nowhere did I say I wanted posts to be deleted. If you could point out where I did, that'd be great.
>I certainly haven’t directed them to do anything.
With a response like >>243767 you hardly needed to. Do you always react this poorly to being grilled, or is it just my IP hash?
I can see discussing this matter with you is a lost cause, so I'll bring our not-tête-à-tête to an end here.

>>243784
>Having said, do you really think that I in particular and staff in general is going to nix a thread for anons who lost their board, given what /mlpol/ has experienced in the early part of its existence when transitioning here?
Fair enough.
>IDGAF about the letter of the rules, I care more about the spirit of them, and when necessary use them as justification for taking action. If the rules don't justify the action I want to take, I don't take it.
I'll admit, that was dumb of me, especially considering I was arguing from their spirit myself.
>How are those generals? Because there've been more than one? Get fucked. Seriously.
Yeah, even for me, that was some salt layered reaching. Consider it retracted.

Scruffy, I owe you an apology. I took my little scrap with Lotus out on you, and I'm sorry about that. You also took the time to explain why I was wrong on these issues, which I appreciate. We can still agree to disagree on some parts, but at the least, I can see where you're coming from. I'll take our exchange as a lesson.
W-we can still be frens, r-right?

Don't act like you were not and are not being an insufferable little twat who started the whole debacle, escalated, and kept the fire going. See >>243772 >>243759 >>243756. There is nothing in my tone nor general pattern of responses that was absent from either you or Scruffy. I explained myself and why I act as I do. I have done nothing more than respond to your messages in kind. You seem to disagree, but no shit, there is no way to please everyone. If you didn't want the posts deleted you could have clarified that after your second post, and that would have saved us a hell of a lot of hassle.

>>243760
So you're saying we should report Vril every time he starts cycleposting?
Because "Muh cycles" isn't a discussion topic, it's a Truism.

>>244380
>>243778
>>243772
>>243759
>>243756
Because you’ve left such an impression on me, I’ll grace you with an even more in-depth answer.

Take a look at your own post, >>243756. I don’t know if you can see how entitled and arrogant it is, but it oozes with “mods haven’t already done something I want them to so they are bad.” I have tried to explain to you, many, many times that whatever posts were made, were made after 9 PM on a work night. I had to go to sleep within a couple hours of the posts being made, and it’s entirely possible that they were made after I went to sleep. Then I work, and while I was at work, this post whining about “why haven’t the mods already banned him” was made. Do you not see how this is unreasonable? Furthermore, Scruffy was awake during that time, probably until 2 AM, and I think that he did see it. He is far harsher than me with regular posters, and he’s deleted posts he finds objectionable, so if he saw it and did nothing, I trust his judgement. Contrast your post against >>243748, which also wanted something done about vril anon, but didn’t include entitled whining about something not already having been done before he asked. Notice how there is no negative response.

So I made a response to the entitled post in a half-joking, half serious manner, explaining exactly why I had not already done the thing that you wanted me to do while I was sleeping and working, and were now pitching a fit about me not doing while I was asleep and at work. That’d be this post >>243757. And what is the response? More entitlements. Something something about “I’ve been here since before the site existed” or whatever. Like how the actual fuck would that entitle you to have staff do the thing you want while they are asleep and at work? And further more, you know you can report posts that violate rules? I have never seen a report by anyone one the rule violating posts. I grant that it’s possible that Scruffy or someone else dismissed them before I saw them, or I simply didn’t see the reports, but given that I stated many times there were no reports and I haven’t been corrected, it’s looking like you didn’t put forth even an iota of effort to alert staff to what you were upset about. You bitching about us not doing anything is the same as bitching about the police not intervening in a domestic fight when you didn’t bother to call the police or file a report. No shit you’re not getting the help you never asked for.

You call your entitled whining “grilling.” Really? When you or any other person bitch about moderator action or inaction in a way that is unreasonable, we can either ignore it, leave a single post that tries to be calm and professional, or we can explain in excruciating detail what a petulant child the poster is and why what they are demanding is unreasonable and keep responding until they realize that I have more energy than they. I’ve tried ignoring the whining posters and giving a single, detached, professional response, but that really hasn’t worked. So I’m going to do something different. I’m going to grill you. I’m going to let you explain your position, draw it out, and left you have the joy of discovering that you were indeed being unreasonable in sticking to that position, and let you defend it, if you feel you need to for your pride. I have explained myself here repeatedly. I know that my explanations will never, ever, under any circumstances be sufficient for you, and I understand that the reason for that isn’t really because you think you were right, but because you think that if you admit error you’ll look like an idiot. So I’ll let you keep talking, and I’ll let other people see you make an idiot of yourself, in the hopes that you’ll learn a lesson from all of this, and not do it again.

>>243756
>>243759
>>243778
>>243772
>>244380
>>244420
You say that my not reading every single post made in this thread after 9 PM on a work night is a sign of the decline in quality of the staff on mlpol. Let me ask you this: do you read every single solitary post made on every thread? Every post on anon filly, every post in Syria General, every single post made in the /vx/ role play threads, do you read them? I’m betting the answer is no. Even if it is a “yes,” I’m betting that you’d be the only one. Literally no regular user reads every single post. Obviously, not every thread interests every person. I didn’t care for the white nationalist thread because that’s the kind of thread that attracts ZOG posters, and I have zero interest in listening to any of that. So no, I don’t think it’s a sign of “disconnect between users and staff” or whatever.

Let me clarify about the “internal distribution,” or whatever vril anon was said to have done that deserved... whatever it was that you were mad at me for not doing while I was asleep. I was not and am not saying that vril didn’t break rules. I am telling you that when it’s a longtime poster, and when the posts seem to have content, the users of the site have the burden to show why that user shouldn’t be allowed to post. You could, you know, actually use the “report post” feature and explain your reasoning. Being a faggot is not normally against the rules, and we give posters who are not outside disrupters a pass until we prove otherwise that something should be done. You know, a little effort in your part, and at least fucking wait until I am done sleeping and out of work before you get pissy that I haven’t already done whatever it is that you think I should have done. (You made seven posts, and you still haven’t explained what it was I am at fault for not doing while I was asleep).

I don’t know why you are apologicetic to Scruffy, who told you to “get fucked,” but saying that I reacted poorly, so I will say to you the same thing he did and will see if it gets me an apology:
GET FUCKED

I’ve attached pictures of the report function so hopefully you might learn how to use it before you throw a tantrum about me not doing something while I am asleep