Hey folks (Christians and maybe others)!
Just a Muslim here, wandering around in these waters, kinda like a lot of you christers are. Wanted to share a thought that's been bugging me for a while, especially after seeing threads like the ones I'll link below:
https://mlpol.net/ub/8162@200
https://mlpol.net/mlpol/389423@200
What's really strange to me as a Muslim is this relationship and respect that it seems many of Christians have towards jews. I'm not saying I know every single detail in your Bible or your theology, no. But from our Muslim perspective, pretty much all jews throughout history have been our enemies, and still are, just like they were for Christians. Think about all the prophets and good people they killed or harassed. And even remember stories like the People of the Pit (Ashab al-Ukhdud), where believers (understood as Christians) were burned alive just for their faith. This shows how they treated those who followed God's path. So, it's weird to me that you guys have to respect them so much, or at least feel obliged to accept them.
We Muslims, especially us Shias, actually don't have a problem with Christians at all. On the contrary, we even respect them. Maybe you'll be surprised, but we believe Jesus Christ (a great prophet of God) will return at the end times and appear alongside Imam Mahdi. And when Christ comes, real Christians will see the truth of Islam and believe in it. That's why a lot of Shias see sincere Christians as future Muslims, and prefer them to stay firm in their faith for now. This idea is very very rare concerning jews, because like I said, they've mostly been enemies.
Now, about the historical enmity between Muslims and Christians, like the Crusades or current conflicts: most of that stuff was just a political game for power, not a real religious war. And sadly, as history has shown and current evidence suggests, a lot of these games and divisions have been orchestrated by people whose name is jew, and unfortunately, they are run by them. They've been behind many of the conflicts between Muslims and Christians, trying to keep us divided. Both sides (Muslims and Christians) shouldn't fall for this.
Maybe you'll say Sunnis are different? I'm not super familiar with the exact details of all Sunni denominations either, but as far as I know, they also believe in respecting other monotheistic God-believing religions (except maybe jews, because their history is different). But about Shias, I can confidently say there's no particular enmity towards Christians, and it's even recommended to unite with other religions in these times of godlessness and immorality.
So, who is our real common enemy? The immorality and godlessness that's spread so much in modern society... and the jews. Not everyone whose name is jew, no. I mean the ones who are only jews by name, otherwise they haven't gotten a whiff of their own religion. If they were real jews and acted according to their book, over 90% of them would have converted to Christianity or Islam by now! So the ones who remained and are doing these things... well, they're not "real jews" in my opinion, but rather agents of a specific agenda.
I think now, in this sensitive global situation, we need to be careful. Who are the real enemies of humanity? It's these "jews" (by my definition) and anti-human/anti-religious ideologies like lgbt and all the other stuff destroying morality.
Those talks you see in these forums and elsewhere, saying Christianity destroyed european civilization, that comes from the exact same place that says Islam destroyed the Iranian Aryan civilization! All of this is made up by the same people who want to create division between Islam and Christianity. Their goal is to make us fight each other so they can do their work easily.
If we actually practice our religions properly, the result isn't destruction, it's the opposite! We had the Islamic Golden Age (which owed a lot to Iranian scientists by the way) in history, you had the Renaissance. These are results from times when people adhered to certain principles, not the current state of degeneracy and immorality.
So please, change your minds, go study, and see how much they have lied and are lying to us. This isn't a war between us and you. The main enemy is somewhere else.
I'm really eager to hear your thoughts. Since I don't know much about the details of the different Christian denominations (Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, and all those sub-branches...) and the history of Judaism's place in Christianity, I'd appreciate it if someone could give a brief explanation. And if any of you Christians can explain why there's so much respect for Judaism in Christianity despite everything, I'd be interested to hear (from the perspective of ordinary people, not university professors).
Looking forward to your comments!
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>>390041
if i wanted to talk to iranians ,fucking facebook , discord and telegram already exist
yes i am westernized (gharbzadeh) faggot who thinks westerners are more human and more intelligent than iranians
i am tired of royalist king loving idiots
and i am tired of basiji Khamenei cock suckers
and i am tired of iranian dumbasses trying to take themselves too fucking seriously and jacking off with their old ass persia empire nostalgia bullshit
does not matter what we were it is in the past
only that matters is that who we are now and it is not worth anything to be proud of
waste majority of people here want to leave their country and waste majority of people in iran are infact suffering from depression
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anyway
it is near 1 am , i need fucking sleep
[Read more] if i wanted to talk to iranians ,fucking facebook , discord and telegram already exist
yes i am westernized (gharbzadeh) faggot who thinks westerners are more human and more intelligent than iranians
i am tired of royalist king loving idiots
and i am tired of basiji Khamenei cock suckers
and i am tired of iranian dumbasses trying to take themselves too fucking seriously and jacking off with their old ass persia empire nostalgia bullshit
does not matter what we were it is in the past
only that matters is that who we are now and it is not worth anything to be proud of
waste majority of people here want to leave their country and waste majority of people in iran are infact suffering from depression
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anyway
it is near 1 am , i need fucking sleep
>>390040
I care not for sandniggers, but what the other guy said was factually incorrect.
If I am wrong, please enlighten me as to how.
I care not for sandniggers, but what the other guy said was factually incorrect.
If I am wrong, please enlighten me as to how.
>>390050
Not really. Modern day talmudic Judaism isn't the root of Christianity, or even Islam. It emerged some 400 years after Christianity was already a thing, as Khazarians built an entire artificial identity based on rejection of Christianity.
The concept of Jews as a predecessor to Christians and Muslims is propaganda pushed by Jews in the media; which is why they spread the name of Evangelicals calling themselves Judeo Christians.
That aside, the meme is propaganda because the message is that you cannot hate Jews and be Christian at the same time, even though Christians had no problem hating and the Synagogue of Satan for at least 1800 years.
>>390052
That's not what being Jewish means.
They are three religions with similar roots, but by that logic you could say that Hellenism and Hinduism are the same thing.
Not really. Modern day talmudic Judaism isn't the root of Christianity, or even Islam. It emerged some 400 years after Christianity was already a thing, as Khazarians built an entire artificial identity based on rejection of Christianity.
The concept of Jews as a predecessor to Christians and Muslims is propaganda pushed by Jews in the media; which is why they spread the name of Evangelicals calling themselves Judeo Christians.
That aside, the meme is propaganda because the message is that you cannot hate Jews and be Christian at the same time, even though Christians had no problem hating and the Synagogue of Satan for at least 1800 years.
>>390052
That's not what being Jewish means.
They are three religions with similar roots, but by that logic you could say that Hellenism and Hinduism are the same thing.
>>390054
>meme is propaganda because the message is that you cannot hate Jews and be Christian at the same time
Correct. It creates a cognitive dissonance and the kikes use it to tell the christians opposing the jews, to drop the act because is ridiculous.
That said and to preempt an argument about who is right or wrong, I prefer to go to an authoritative source on the matter: the NSDAP, which pointed that Christianity is incompatible with Blood and Soil and the church is the enemy of the German People.
>meme is propaganda because the message is that you cannot hate Jews and be Christian at the same time
Correct. It creates a cognitive dissonance and the kikes use it to tell the christians opposing the jews, to drop the act because is ridiculous.
That said and to preempt an argument about who is right or wrong, I prefer to go to an authoritative source on the matter: the NSDAP, which pointed that Christianity is incompatible with Blood and Soil and the church is the enemy of the German People.
>>390054
>even though Christians had no problem hating and the Synagogue of Satan for at least 1800 years.
True, but take into account that the church, the authority figure for the plebs, had always considered the kikes the chosen ones, that is by dogma. So, the plebs may have expelled and killed jews many times, but the church is at the same time backstabbing those plebs because the dogma says so.
>even though Christians had no problem hating and the Synagogue of Satan for at least 1800 years.
True, but take into account that the church, the authority figure for the plebs, had always considered the kikes the chosen ones, that is by dogma. So, the plebs may have expelled and killed jews many times, but the church is at the same time backstabbing those plebs because the dogma says so.
>>390054
Well then the problem is the abrahamism at the root of all three. Abrahamic appologism catagorically benefits jews as much as it benefits christians and muslims, and the later two are aware of this and still self-advocate regardless.
Well then the problem is the abrahamism at the root of all three. Abrahamic appologism catagorically benefits jews as much as it benefits christians and muslims, and the later two are aware of this and still self-advocate regardless.
>>390054
>The concept of Jews as a predecessor to Christians and Muslims is propaganda pushed by Jews in the media
Not so. I'm afraid Abrahamic religions, obviously as the name says, have one original root, judaism.
>The concept of Jews as a predecessor to Christians and Muslims is propaganda pushed by Jews in the media
Not so. I'm afraid Abrahamic religions, obviously as the name says, have one original root, judaism.
>the muh church in action, today
The “Christian” Episcopal church ended its partnership with the government to help resettle refugees in America because President Trump dared to rescue some White South Africans whose life was endangered by black savages who run their country. White folks need not apply!!
The “Christian” Episcopal church ended its partnership with the government to help resettle refugees in America because President Trump dared to rescue some White South Africans whose life was endangered by black savages who run their country. White folks need not apply!!
>>390055
>That said and to preempt an argument about who is right or wrong, I prefer to go to an authoritative source on the matter: the NSDAP, which pointed that Christianity is incompatible with Blood and Soil and the church is the enemy of the German People.
There is a case to be made for that, but alienating Christians also runs counter to the cause of white nationalism and fractures right wing movements.
The NSDAP knew this, which is why they promoted the concept of Positive Christianity, which prioritizes the values of Christianity that are most compatible with their own:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
>>390060
>Abrahamic appologism catagorically benefits jews as much as it benefits christians and muslims, and the later two are aware of this and still self-advocate regardless.
Elaborate on this. How does it benefit Jews?
>>390063
Your source is a tree chart that links back to an Israeli source. You are posting literal propaganda that intends to establish Jews as a predecessor to trick gullible Evangelicals into worshiping them as "God's chosen people".
Jews are not the predecessors of Christians or Muslims; The three religions share similar roots. Those are not the same thing.
>>390065
This is off topic, but would be an interesting discussion to have in a separate thread.
[Read more] >That said and to preempt an argument about who is right or wrong, I prefer to go to an authoritative source on the matter: the NSDAP, which pointed that Christianity is incompatible with Blood and Soil and the church is the enemy of the German People.
There is a case to be made for that, but alienating Christians also runs counter to the cause of white nationalism and fractures right wing movements.
The NSDAP knew this, which is why they promoted the concept of Positive Christianity, which prioritizes the values of Christianity that are most compatible with their own:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
>>390060
>Abrahamic appologism catagorically benefits jews as much as it benefits christians and muslims, and the later two are aware of this and still self-advocate regardless.
Elaborate on this. How does it benefit Jews?
>>390063
Your source is a tree chart that links back to an Israeli source. You are posting literal propaganda that intends to establish Jews as a predecessor to trick gullible Evangelicals into worshiping them as "God's chosen people".
Jews are not the predecessors of Christians or Muslims; The three religions share similar roots. Those are not the same thing.
>>390065
This is off topic, but would be an interesting discussion to have in a separate thread.
>>390066
Abrahamism is the root of Judaism. Abrahamics advocating for abrahamism benefit all abrahamics.
Abrahamism is the root of Judaism. Abrahamics advocating for abrahamism benefit all abrahamics.
>>390070
How does it do that? All three religions see each other as apostates. How does the presence of one benefit the other?
Abrahamism isn't even really an actual moral, philosophical or political ideology, just a shared mythology with a root cosmology.
How does it do that? All three religions see each other as apostates. How does the presence of one benefit the other?
Abrahamism isn't even really an actual moral, philosophical or political ideology, just a shared mythology with a root cosmology.
>>390065
From what I understand, the Episcopal Church is a highly left-wing fringe branch of Christianity that morphed out of the Church of England. They maintain vaguely Catholic aesthetics, but they ordain females and gays as priests, allow their priests to marry, and are generally about as far left as you can go on the Christian spectrum before you hit Unitarianism. Robin Williams was an Episcopalian, for whatever that's worth. This stance isn't that surprising coming from them, and I don't think they're really a good barometer for what the average Christian thinks. From what I can tell most other denominations see them as kind of an irrelevant sideshow.
Also, anon >>390066 is right; your post is off-topic for this thread.
From what I understand, the Episcopal Church is a highly left-wing fringe branch of Christianity that morphed out of the Church of England. They maintain vaguely Catholic aesthetics, but they ordain females and gays as priests, allow their priests to marry, and are generally about as far left as you can go on the Christian spectrum before you hit Unitarianism. Robin Williams was an Episcopalian, for whatever that's worth. This stance isn't that surprising coming from them, and I don't think they're really a good barometer for what the average Christian thinks. From what I can tell most other denominations see them as kind of an irrelevant sideshow.
Also, anon >>390066 is right; your post is off-topic for this thread.
>>390052
from my understanding
Jesus was Canaanite and He spoke Aramaic
he was suppose to guide the Jewish people from darkness to light , but they did not listened and they got Him killed.
Jesus was not bani-israeli (sons-of-israel) he was from Maria the daughter of Zachariah from Yasin family
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other than mormons and evangelicals no Christian likes jews due to them betraying Jesus
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Judaism maybe be a root for abrahimic religion but none of them (muslims and Christians) like judaism
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Islam is more like a plagiarized version of Christianity and Zarathustrianism
yes quran says they care about Prophets like moses , noah , ishaq , ishamel , Jesus etc
but 80% of the quran is just Allah shitting on Israelis
even their own book torah shits on them as well
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also side note
Abraham is not a jew nor christian
he is so much older than most religions
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so root or not root
no one respects judaism or consider themselves their descendants
[Read more] from my understanding
Jesus was Canaanite and He spoke Aramaic
he was suppose to guide the Jewish people from darkness to light , but they did not listened and they got Him killed.
Jesus was not bani-israeli (sons-of-israel) he was from Maria the daughter of Zachariah from Yasin family
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other than mormons and evangelicals no Christian likes jews due to them betraying Jesus
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Judaism maybe be a root for abrahimic religion but none of them (muslims and Christians) like judaism
--
Islam is more like a plagiarized version of Christianity and Zarathustrianism
yes quran says they care about Prophets like moses , noah , ishaq , ishamel , Jesus etc
but 80% of the quran is just Allah shitting on Israelis
even their own book torah shits on them as well
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also side note
Abraham is not a jew nor christian
he is so much older than most religions
--
so root or not root
no one respects judaism or consider themselves their descendants
>>390052
All the real, divine religions? They're actually just one religion, revealed by god, step by step, through different prophets, based on what people could handle at the time.
The five big names: NOAH, ABRAHAM, MOSES, JESUS, and MOHAMMAD, in Islam, these five are known as the "Ulul Azm" prophets. They’re considered the top-tier messengers who made the biggest leaps in guiding humanity and shaping the final form of the religion.
First up: NOAH. He wiped out the godless rulers and left behind a god-fearing generation. He basically rebooted belief in god and brought people back to the truth.
Then came ABRAHAM, who took it even further, destroyed false systems, spread monotheism, and gathered a massive following of believers across different lands.
After him, we got MOSES, who brought what's now called Judaism. He upgraded the message again, overthrew another corrupt regime, freed his people, and helped religion spread more.
Then came JESUS, with Christianity. Another level up. He and his disciples spread the message fast, and even governments started converting.
And finally, MUHAMMAD. The last prophet. He didn’t just upgrade the faith, he completed it. He ended godless rule, delivered the final version, and pushed the religion to its peak.
So when people say "Christianity came from Judaism" or "Islam came from Judaism", yeah, I totally disagree.
To me, they’re not offshoots, they’re all stages of the same divine mission, gradually revealed and improved over time, and completed.
Saying Islam or Christianity came from Judaism is like saying a teen comes from a baby. I mean, sure, but it’s the same person at a more advanced stage. You don’t treat babyhood as more important just cause it came first!
So no, calling other religions branches of Judaism just misses the point.
Judaism itself was a phase, part of a bigger journey. The real root is god’s one religion, revealed over time.
[Read more] All the real, divine religions? They're actually just one religion, revealed by god, step by step, through different prophets, based on what people could handle at the time.
The five big names: NOAH, ABRAHAM, MOSES, JESUS, and MOHAMMAD, in Islam, these five are known as the "Ulul Azm" prophets. They’re considered the top-tier messengers who made the biggest leaps in guiding humanity and shaping the final form of the religion.
First up: NOAH. He wiped out the godless rulers and left behind a god-fearing generation. He basically rebooted belief in god and brought people back to the truth.
Then came ABRAHAM, who took it even further, destroyed false systems, spread monotheism, and gathered a massive following of believers across different lands.
After him, we got MOSES, who brought what's now called Judaism. He upgraded the message again, overthrew another corrupt regime, freed his people, and helped religion spread more.
Then came JESUS, with Christianity. Another level up. He and his disciples spread the message fast, and even governments started converting.
And finally, MUHAMMAD. The last prophet. He didn’t just upgrade the faith, he completed it. He ended godless rule, delivered the final version, and pushed the religion to its peak.
So when people say "Christianity came from Judaism" or "Islam came from Judaism", yeah, I totally disagree.
To me, they’re not offshoots, they’re all stages of the same divine mission, gradually revealed and improved over time, and completed.
Saying Islam or Christianity came from Judaism is like saying a teen comes from a baby. I mean, sure, but it’s the same person at a more advanced stage. You don’t treat babyhood as more important just cause it came first!
So no, calling other religions branches of Judaism just misses the point.
Judaism itself was a phase, part of a bigger journey. The real root is god’s one religion, revealed over time.
>>390122
>They're actually just one religion
says muslims , no one else
also anon a real question?
why do still care about islam in a country that everyone at least waste majority of people hate its guts?
i know akhoonds and ayatollahs are bunch of hypocrite faggots but why do you still think Allah is a good God?
>They're actually just one religion
says muslims , no one else
also anon a real question?
why do still care about islam in a country that everyone at least waste majority of people hate its guts?
i know akhoonds and ayatollahs are bunch of hypocrite faggots but why do you still think Allah is a good God?
>>390041
>for me jews and arabs are the same i do not care about any other prophets and yes i know i am being selective
Glad you agreed with that part, but here's the thing: ignoring other prophets just isn't right. All the prophets had the same goal, even if their actions were different (mostly because they lived in different times and places).
Like, take Solomon for example. We see him as a prophet. If he had lived in the time of Jesus, no way he would stay Jewish. He definitely follow Jesus and become Christian. Same goes for people like Saint George(we believe he was a prophet too). If he had lived in Moses’s time, he would followed him instead.
The core of being a prophet doesn’t really change. But sadly, a lot of people don’t want to admit that, and that’s part of why there’s so much conflict between religions(especially with jews not accepting later prophets).
Just saying, maybe it’s time to think about this differently.
>what details? made up hadithes? made up shia bullshits? aisha was a kid and that is what everyone says. also you can marry a fucking 9 years old in islam what do you mean you wouldn't follow if it was not true???!!!
Look, when I say details, I mean details! If you’re claiming to be HIGH knowledgeable about this, then you better have actually read those details.
First off, this whole "child marriage in Islam" claim? Not in the Quran. Not even a little bit. You cannot say Islam officially allows it, because the Quran literally says nothing about it. Same way Bible doesn’t specifically talk about it either.
The stuff people bring up usually comes from certain Sunni sources. And guess what? Shia Muslims pretty much reject those sources outright, and even many Sunnis admit there are contradictions in books like Sahih Bukhari. But some stubborn folks just can’t let go of those books, mostly because past political power structures depended on them.
What’s more, even some Shia scholars have used those same Sunni texts (ironically) to show the age of Aisha was at least 15 or older, not 9! So this whole accusation? Outdated and debunked.
Now yeah, some people back in the day tried to justify it using old legal loopholes and stretched reasoning. But almost all respected Islamic scholars today reject child marriage and strongly discourage it. So stop dragging this dead horse into every discussion.
And let me guess your next move:
You’ll say the same accusation again but with different wording,
Then I’ll reply again, also with different wording!
Then you’ll rephrase your accusation again!
We keep going in circles and everyone gets bored. Sound familiar?
Honestly, seems like you’re weirdly obsessed with this one issue. If it’s really that important to you, just go ask an akhond about it. If it’s not, then why keep bringing it up over and over like it’s some trump card? There are much smarter critiques you could be making, if that’s your goal. But rehashing this over and over? Meh...wasting time, bro.
>babaguryo christianity is not the same and my book is different
Alright, fine, I’ll give you that. I don’t have full knowledge of your Bible, so I’ll take your word on it.
BUT, coming in here acting like the whole "pigs in Islam" thing is weird or different?
Yeah… not exactly a genius take, especially when a bunch of Christians believe the same thing (or at least should, if they follow their texts properly). Not a smart move, especially for someone with such HIGH knowledge, right...?
Also, even if we ignore this thing for a second, You’re the same guy who claimed that Cyrus the Great (Zolgharanein) freed the jews from Gog and Magog, not Babylon.
So… really?
Someone with your HIGH knowledge shouldn’t be dropping clumsy mistakes like that. These kinds of contradictions and slip-ups just make your whole argument look weak.
So either:
1. You haven’t really read the religious texts you’re quoting,
or
2. You’ve skimmed through them like a bored news paper.
Pick one.
>it is already a pointless argument
If you didn’t find this interesting, you wouldn’t still be arguing with me.
So yeah, guess we're into it.
P.S : about Iran, I will answer you in iran thread. It's not for here.
P.S 2 : I waited for you, until you became less anger. So that's why I answered you lately.
[Read more] >for me jews and arabs are the same i do not care about any other prophets and yes i know i am being selective
Glad you agreed with that part, but here's the thing: ignoring other prophets just isn't right. All the prophets had the same goal, even if their actions were different (mostly because they lived in different times and places).
Like, take Solomon for example. We see him as a prophet. If he had lived in the time of Jesus, no way he would stay Jewish. He definitely follow Jesus and become Christian. Same goes for people like Saint George(we believe he was a prophet too). If he had lived in Moses’s time, he would followed him instead.
The core of being a prophet doesn’t really change. But sadly, a lot of people don’t want to admit that, and that’s part of why there’s so much conflict between religions(especially with jews not accepting later prophets).
Just saying, maybe it’s time to think about this differently.
>what details? made up hadithes? made up shia bullshits? aisha was a kid and that is what everyone says. also you can marry a fucking 9 years old in islam what do you mean you wouldn't follow if it was not true???!!!
Look, when I say details, I mean details! If you’re claiming to be HIGH knowledgeable about this, then you better have actually read those details.
First off, this whole "child marriage in Islam" claim? Not in the Quran. Not even a little bit. You cannot say Islam officially allows it, because the Quran literally says nothing about it. Same way Bible doesn’t specifically talk about it either.
The stuff people bring up usually comes from certain Sunni sources. And guess what? Shia Muslims pretty much reject those sources outright, and even many Sunnis admit there are contradictions in books like Sahih Bukhari. But some stubborn folks just can’t let go of those books, mostly because past political power structures depended on them.
What’s more, even some Shia scholars have used those same Sunni texts (ironically) to show the age of Aisha was at least 15 or older, not 9! So this whole accusation? Outdated and debunked.
Now yeah, some people back in the day tried to justify it using old legal loopholes and stretched reasoning. But almost all respected Islamic scholars today reject child marriage and strongly discourage it. So stop dragging this dead horse into every discussion.
And let me guess your next move:
You’ll say the same accusation again but with different wording,
Then I’ll reply again, also with different wording!
Then you’ll rephrase your accusation again!
We keep going in circles and everyone gets bored. Sound familiar?
Honestly, seems like you’re weirdly obsessed with this one issue. If it’s really that important to you, just go ask an akhond about it. If it’s not, then why keep bringing it up over and over like it’s some trump card? There are much smarter critiques you could be making, if that’s your goal. But rehashing this over and over? Meh...wasting time, bro.
>babaguryo christianity is not the same and my book is different
Alright, fine, I’ll give you that. I don’t have full knowledge of your Bible, so I’ll take your word on it.
BUT, coming in here acting like the whole "pigs in Islam" thing is weird or different?
Yeah… not exactly a genius take, especially when a bunch of Christians believe the same thing (or at least should, if they follow their texts properly). Not a smart move, especially for someone with such HIGH knowledge, right...?
Also, even if we ignore this thing for a second, You’re the same guy who claimed that Cyrus the Great (Zolgharanein) freed the jews from Gog and Magog, not Babylon.
So… really?
Someone with your HIGH knowledge shouldn’t be dropping clumsy mistakes like that. These kinds of contradictions and slip-ups just make your whole argument look weak.
So either:
1. You haven’t really read the religious texts you’re quoting,
or
2. You’ve skimmed through them like a bored news paper.
Pick one.
>it is already a pointless argument
If you didn’t find this interesting, you wouldn’t still be arguing with me.
So yeah, guess we're into it.
P.S : about Iran, I will answer you in iran thread. It's not for here.
P.S 2 : I waited for you, until you became less anger. So that's why I answered you lately.
>>390123
>says muslims , no one else
I said my thoughts as a Muslim.
>Your question
If popularity was the measure of truth, Jesus would've never carried the cross.
>says muslims , no one else
I said my thoughts as a Muslim.
>Your question
If popularity was the measure of truth, Jesus would've never carried the cross.
>>390124
i do not have any respect toward islam and judaism
that is it
i hate both sunnis and shias
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i did not asked for it , i idid not chose this to be in a time that muslims are in the power
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i do not care about details , the thing that happened is happened
you are in shia country and you can marry a child from age of 9 - recently they changed it to 14 , because everyone were marrying kids to take money from the government
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Muslims no matter if shia or sunni , pretty much suppressed armenians as much as they could and i hate them for it
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i am a christian and i die christian
i do not give a fuck about muhammed , moses etc etc and i don't care , and i do not want to be fair when they were not fair toward me and my people
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arabs killed armentians , turks killed armenian , shia muslims killed armenians
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so i hate all of you islamic jihadi retards for a reason and a good reason
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Allah is an insane mass killing bastard who kills children and drowns people , so as Yahweh
Jesus never killed anyone in his life nor order anyone to due so , i know he is not a God and just a prophet in baba gooryoo but i rather bow to a human than psychopathetical God called allah/yahweh
[Read more] i do not have any respect toward islam and judaism
that is it
i hate both sunnis and shias
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i did not asked for it , i idid not chose this to be in a time that muslims are in the power
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i do not care about details , the thing that happened is happened
you are in shia country and you can marry a child from age of 9 - recently they changed it to 14 , because everyone were marrying kids to take money from the government
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Muslims no matter if shia or sunni , pretty much suppressed armenians as much as they could and i hate them for it
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i am a christian and i die christian
i do not give a fuck about muhammed , moses etc etc and i don't care , and i do not want to be fair when they were not fair toward me and my people
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arabs killed armentians , turks killed armenian , shia muslims killed armenians
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so i hate all of you islamic jihadi retards for a reason and a good reason
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Allah is an insane mass killing bastard who kills children and drowns people , so as Yahweh
Jesus never killed anyone in his life nor order anyone to due so , i know he is not a God and just a prophet in baba gooryoo but i rather bow to a human than psychopathetical God called allah/yahweh
>>390036
You're kinda hitting the right spot, but still getting part of it wrong, let me fill it a bit:
What I see between Muslims and Christians is not really a "religious" misunderstanding, but more like a mess caused by corrupt governments.
Like you probably already know, during the Middle Ages, there was a lot of religious corruption in Christian kingdoms (and no, that doesn’t mean Christianity itself was corrupt, just that some Christians screwed it up). The church, trying to keep its grip on power, made deals with kings and twisted stuff around, building a kind of fake "divine tyranny".
Now when Arabs invaded Persia using Islam as a banner, they realized something: they couldn't just say it was for Islam and get away with it. The Persians were sharp, and some even infiltrated the new Islamic courts. So, they tried to act like it was all peaceful and "inviting others to Islam", but let’s be real: it was about power, not faith.
Meanwhile, Christian rulers saw this new threat and panicked. They wanted to keep their own power and influence (and protect the perks of a few elites abusing Christianity), so they went into defense mode and cut ties.
But think about it logically: if you got a new religion and wanna spread it for power, why would you isolate yourself? You would do the opposite and try to infiltrate other cultures, right?
So yeah, Muslim leaders played their part, but this whole split? It was mostly about Christian rulers protecting their own power base.
Then came the Crusades wars "for religion", but as you know: it was all just power games from both sides.
Some people say Muslims won in the end. I don’t think so. Honestly, the real winners were the Christians, why?
Because after those wars, they got exposed to the Islamic Golden Age(science, philosophy, tech)and they soaked it all up. That spark helped kick off the Renaissance.
So yeah… I don’t think Islam or Christianity were ever meant to be enemies. The real problem was the greedy rulers(on both sides) who twisted religion to get more power.
And after the Crusades, we can even see how dumb a lot of those "differences" really were.
So no, it wasn’t Islam that drove people apart, it was the power-hungry rulers, Muslim and Christian alike.
[Read more] You're kinda hitting the right spot, but still getting part of it wrong, let me fill it a bit:
What I see between Muslims and Christians is not really a "religious" misunderstanding, but more like a mess caused by corrupt governments.
Like you probably already know, during the Middle Ages, there was a lot of religious corruption in Christian kingdoms (and no, that doesn’t mean Christianity itself was corrupt, just that some Christians screwed it up). The church, trying to keep its grip on power, made deals with kings and twisted stuff around, building a kind of fake "divine tyranny".
Now when Arabs invaded Persia using Islam as a banner, they realized something: they couldn't just say it was for Islam and get away with it. The Persians were sharp, and some even infiltrated the new Islamic courts. So, they tried to act like it was all peaceful and "inviting others to Islam", but let’s be real: it was about power, not faith.
Meanwhile, Christian rulers saw this new threat and panicked. They wanted to keep their own power and influence (and protect the perks of a few elites abusing Christianity), so they went into defense mode and cut ties.
But think about it logically: if you got a new religion and wanna spread it for power, why would you isolate yourself? You would do the opposite and try to infiltrate other cultures, right?
So yeah, Muslim leaders played their part, but this whole split? It was mostly about Christian rulers protecting their own power base.
Then came the Crusades wars "for religion", but as you know: it was all just power games from both sides.
Some people say Muslims won in the end. I don’t think so. Honestly, the real winners were the Christians, why?
Because after those wars, they got exposed to the Islamic Golden Age(science, philosophy, tech)and they soaked it all up. That spark helped kick off the Renaissance.
So yeah… I don’t think Islam or Christianity were ever meant to be enemies. The real problem was the greedy rulers(on both sides) who twisted religion to get more power.
And after the Crusades, we can even see how dumb a lot of those "differences" really were.
So no, it wasn’t Islam that drove people apart, it was the power-hungry rulers, Muslim and Christian alike.
>>390129
it is all god-willing
so it is on him.
you want to blame the creation? blame the creator
He seems like that enjoys to watch people to suffer
and he always puts assholes in the government
he never wanted humans to not fight , he just wanted to give them more reason to fight.
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also you reasoning here would not change anything
everyone here mostly are white supremacists and they are everything-phobic
and they hate Jews , Muslims , even sometimes Christians
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we are Natzis , most extremist to ever extremed
we say Hitler did nothing wrong , we say Holocaust never happened
we say Aryans are the only humans on this planet and fuck black red yellow brown negros
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Do you think that we are reasonable people?
-Yes we are completely reasonable and fair , fair to kill jews in masses
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that is my take on it , and i love Jesus cause He did nothing wrong to anyone , but...god did
[Read more] it is all god-willing
so it is on him.
you want to blame the creation? blame the creator
He seems like that enjoys to watch people to suffer
and he always puts assholes in the government
he never wanted humans to not fight , he just wanted to give them more reason to fight.
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also you reasoning here would not change anything
everyone here mostly are white supremacists and they are everything-phobic
and they hate Jews , Muslims , even sometimes Christians
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we are Natzis , most extremist to ever extremed
we say Hitler did nothing wrong , we say Holocaust never happened
we say Aryans are the only humans on this planet and fuck black red yellow brown negros
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Do you think that we are reasonable people?
-Yes we are completely reasonable and fair , fair to kill jews in masses
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that is my take on it , and i love Jesus cause He did nothing wrong to anyone , but...god did
>>390131
reported for being named Jeffrey
reported for being named Jeffrey
>>390130
I was planning to write my message to you about Iran, but now with what you just said, I’ve changed my mind. Maybe I’ll send that message later, in a different tone, once I can handle this level of fucking nonsense...
>we are Natzis , most extremist to ever extremed. we say...
Yeah, nice emotional letter and all... But dude, stop shoving your (wannabe) Nazi crap in everyone’s face, seriously...
>Your other bullshits
Bro, you say you hate god but love Jesus?? Huh?? What kind of Christian are you that hates god but loves his creation (Jesus)?? Jesus himself loves god, but you hate him, and you just love Jesus??? If you hate god, how the hell do you love Jesus?? You gay or something???
I was planning to write my message to you about Iran, but now with what you just said, I’ve changed my mind. Maybe I’ll send that message later, in a different tone, once I can handle this level of fucking nonsense...
>we are Natzis , most extremist to ever extremed. we say...
Yeah, nice emotional letter and all... But dude, stop shoving your (wannabe) Nazi crap in everyone’s face, seriously...
>Your other bullshits
Bro, you say you hate god but love Jesus?? Huh?? What kind of Christian are you that hates god but loves his creation (Jesus)?? Jesus himself loves god, but you hate him, and you just love Jesus??? If you hate god, how the hell do you love Jesus?? You gay or something???
>>390133
>Yeah, nice emotional letter and all... But dude, stop shoving your (wannabe) Nazi crap in everyone’s face, seriously...
i am not emotional at all , just passive agressive angry asshole like every single iranian ,
if you're happy , you are not iranian
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DO YOU EVEN FUCKING KNOW WHERE YOU ARE??!!!
IT IS MLPOL , A MARRIAGE OF /POL/ + /MLP/ TWO OF THE MOST INFAMOUS BOARDS EVER
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i am not shoving anything on you
if you don't like it get the fuck out from this site
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it is over , i am here to not hear another muslim bullshits , i don't want any other retarded muslims in my life
If i could i would destroy every masques in iran and killing every single pro-muslims till islam is nothing but a fucking urban tale among elderly people to scare children from allah , so kids finish eating their food
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wassalam nameh tamam
I do whatever the fuck i want and i pray for whoever the fuck i want
<go shove quran in your ass as much as you want , i am not gonna accept your way , no one should
you muslims are nothing but a bunch of pedo goat fucking rapists who forcefully shove your religions on others by killing and torturing them just like spanish Inquisition
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stay safe and have a great day
go preach islam somewhere else
like leftypol or something
[Read more] >Yeah, nice emotional letter and all... But dude, stop shoving your (wannabe) Nazi crap in everyone’s face, seriously...
i am not emotional at all , just passive agressive angry asshole like every single iranian ,
if you're happy , you are not iranian
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DO YOU EVEN FUCKING KNOW WHERE YOU ARE??!!!
IT IS MLPOL , A MARRIAGE OF /POL/ + /MLP/ TWO OF THE MOST INFAMOUS BOARDS EVER
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i am not shoving anything on you
if you don't like it get the fuck out from this site
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it is over , i am here to not hear another muslim bullshits , i don't want any other retarded muslims in my life
If i could i would destroy every masques in iran and killing every single pro-muslims till islam is nothing but a fucking urban tale among elderly people to scare children from allah , so kids finish eating their food
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wassalam nameh tamam
I do whatever the fuck i want and i pray for whoever the fuck i want
<go shove quran in your ass as much as you want , i am not gonna accept your way , no one should
you muslims are nothing but a bunch of pedo goat fucking rapists who forcefully shove your religions on others by killing and torturing them just like spanish Inquisition
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stay safe and have a great day
go preach islam somewhere else
like leftypol or something
the nonny is crying because Islam already won
his puckered asshole will envelop my thick Muslim veiny cock
alhamdulillah
his puckered asshole will envelop my thick Muslim veiny cock
alhamdulillah
>>390134
Ok, I think it's better to don't argue with you, just you!
And the last thing: If you said the truth about that me and you are the just Iranians here, so... I read some posts those related to Iranians, and if you are all of them, you said a lot different ideas, that means you are at least a crazy multipolar person...
So good fucking bye, I hope to see you someday and have a tea with you...I have to put some medicine in your tea for your mental health.
Ok, I think it's better to don't argue with you, just you!
And the last thing: If you said the truth about that me and you are the just Iranians here, so... I read some posts those related to Iranians, and if you are all of them, you said a lot different ideas, that means you are at least a crazy multipolar person...
So good fucking bye, I hope to see you someday and have a tea with you...I have to put some medicine in your tea for your mental health.
>>390136
Please don't open my mouth! I have already a fucking headache for that guy, I don't want to argue with you, faggot!
Please don't open my mouth! I have already a fucking headache for that guy, I don't want to argue with you, faggot!
He does know that everyone can see him samefagging....right?
>>390144
imagine giving a shit about same-fagging
this is not 4chan brother
also i am not the only one who is ''same-fagging''
imagine giving a shit about same-fagging
this is not 4chan brother
also i am not the only one who is ''same-fagging''
>>390144
Bro, I get where you're coming from, but keep that tinfoil theory to yourself. Just because someone's batshit doesn't mean it's samefagging. Sometimes Nazi ideology attracts crazies, not only crazies, but definitely them too!
Bro, I get where you're coming from, but keep that tinfoil theory to yourself. Just because someone's batshit doesn't mean it's samefagging. Sometimes Nazi ideology attracts crazies, not only crazies, but definitely them too!
>>390149
i never heard MUSLIM NATZI in my whole life
so stop fucking accusing me of shit , you are not a psychologist , you are just pro-muslim dodo who defending islam like it is his life
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and yes me and you are the only iranians here
also for your question , yes all of that ''an anon'' posts are mine cause i use vpn and i promised mods to not abuse , so now i use name-fagging
you should turn off your vpn as well , have balls and show that you're an iranian
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also it is not same-fagging
the site pretty much dead
i was attending to my classes and i come back for three hours and i saw no one posted shit...
like why?
it is more dead than my own grandma rn
[Read more] i never heard MUSLIM NATZI in my whole life
so stop fucking accusing me of shit , you are not a psychologist , you are just pro-muslim dodo who defending islam like it is his life
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and yes me and you are the only iranians here
also for your question , yes all of that ''an anon'' posts are mine cause i use vpn and i promised mods to not abuse , so now i use name-fagging
you should turn off your vpn as well , have balls and show that you're an iranian
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also it is not same-fagging
the site pretty much dead
i was attending to my classes and i come back for three hours and i saw no one posted shit...
like why?
it is more dead than my own grandma rn
>>390144
What about if there are chatbots? Or a mix of human/chatbot? And this engagement in /mlpol/ is for training purposes?
What about if there are chatbots? Or a mix of human/chatbot? And this engagement in /mlpol/ is for training purposes?
>>390152
pretty much i am sure the op is too good at english
ether he is a good ESL nigger or he uses chatgpt or googool translator
so my first guess is that is him
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also you cannot be a human being and defend islam at the same time that is just impossible
pretty much i am sure the op is too good at english
ether he is a good ESL nigger or he uses chatgpt or googool translator
so my first guess is that is him
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also you cannot be a human being and defend islam at the same time that is just impossible
>>390154
ether-way we are keeping this site alive
seriously is there some anon jewish sabath day or some shit? everyone are just offline? or it is their working day time?
it was pretty much active two weeks ago
no i am not talking about ''refugee era'' , that era was just insane
ether-way we are keeping this site alive
seriously is there some anon jewish sabath day or some shit? everyone are just offline? or it is their working day time?
it was pretty much active two weeks ago
no i am not talking about ''refugee era'' , that era was just insane
>>390155
Well, ceasefire for now...
I don't know, maybe.
I really don't know how much time you have to be active here, I'm sick for a while (new Covid season) and I can't complete my project, so I can be active like that.
P.S : My vpn accidentally turned off when I was posting, then you told me to turn off my VPN after that comment! Bro, that was goat...
So are you happy now?? I posted some without my vpn, but remember: Cause of some apps and sites, my vpn has to be connected everytime. So that's why I use vpn. And don't worry again, I was the one who wrote a thread about Iran. And don't worry again (third one), I think chat got can write so faster than me, I'm a slow in typing. But why I have to lie? I sometimes use it to understand some English term.
Well, ceasefire for now...
I don't know, maybe.
I really don't know how much time you have to be active here, I'm sick for a while (new Covid season) and I can't complete my project, so I can be active like that.
P.S : My vpn accidentally turned off when I was posting, then you told me to turn off my VPN after that comment! Bro, that was goat...
So are you happy now?? I posted some without my vpn, but remember: Cause of some apps and sites, my vpn has to be connected everytime. So that's why I use vpn. And don't worry again, I was the one who wrote a thread about Iran. And don't worry again (third one), I think chat got can write so faster than me, I'm a slow in typing. But why I have to lie? I sometimes use it to understand some English term.
>>390156
i am never happy till my government changes
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i don't like you so i don't give a fuck about you
you still in favor of a shit religion
but you're iranian so i try not to be an asshole for few seconds
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do whatever the fuck you want just don't try to manipulate people to think that giving islam a chance is a good idea
saudi arabia , afghanistna , iran , pakistan , iraq etc are the gooooooood fucking example why you should not trust Islamic theocracy
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also more iranian means the higher chance of this site getting filtered from our gov , so don't try to bring too much irani-faggots to this site
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anyway i wish for your safety and happiness and other bullshits like that
Stay safe and take care
[Read more] i am never happy till my government changes
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i don't like you so i don't give a fuck about you
you still in favor of a shit religion
but you're iranian so i try not to be an asshole for few seconds
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do whatever the fuck you want just don't try to manipulate people to think that giving islam a chance is a good idea
saudi arabia , afghanistna , iran , pakistan , iraq etc are the gooooooood fucking example why you should not trust Islamic theocracy
--
also more iranian means the higher chance of this site getting filtered from our gov , so don't try to bring too much irani-faggots to this site
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anyway i wish for your safety and happiness and other bullshits like that
Stay safe and take care
>>390157
Even though I really love to shove a couple of psychiatric meds up your ass for how you and I together absolutely fucked the thread I wrote, I’ll admit you weirdly made a valid point.
So, fine... I'll take it.
Hope you best
Even though I really love to shove a couple of psychiatric meds up your ass for how you and I together absolutely fucked the thread I wrote, I’ll admit you weirdly made a valid point.
So, fine... I'll take it.
Hope you best
That’s not very friendship of you
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Thought as much...
>>390160
>god this is so fucking gay and awkward and retarded
Be dar negah mekonam, dariche ah mikeshad
I never thought someone would curse me by calling on someone he hates (God).
Then he ask me why I'm like this...
>god this is so fucking gay and awkward and retarded
Be dar negah mekonam, dariche ah mikeshad
I never thought someone would curse me by calling on someone he hates (God).
Then he ask me why I'm like this...
>>390161
now you are making dog face
this site is clearly not for you
you are pushing an agenda here so far and i hate you rn as nuch as i hate that saudi arab faggot
i did not saw you post anyhting about ponies in /poner/ by far
stop the sith gender bullshit act and just drop that islam/iran fagging
this is not what people care about on this site
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related to your thread
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and remember anon; you are not a natzi if you enjoy jews,niggers,sand niggered muslims and other non-aryan garbage disposal animals that live in this planet
<just saying
|also seeing that my führer is smiling makes me happy|
[Read more] now you are making dog face
this site is clearly not for you
you are pushing an agenda here so far and i hate you rn as nuch as i hate that saudi arab faggot
i did not saw you post anyhting about ponies in /poner/ by far
stop the sith gender bullshit act and just drop that islam/iran fagging
this is not what people care about on this site
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related to your thread
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and remember anon; you are not a natzi if you enjoy jews,niggers,sand niggered muslims and other non-aryan garbage disposal animals that live in this planet
<just saying
|also seeing that my führer is smiling makes me happy|
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