Biocomputers (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_computing) are an emergency technology where biological components are made to store and/or process information for computers. Biocomputers have been made in the past using brain cells (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6573-brain-cells-in-a-dish-fly-fighter-plane/) however keeping brain cells alive is both difficult and expensive. Other approaches are currently being tried using fungi and bacteria. (https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/11/09/1039107/e-coli-maze-solving-biocomputer/ https://www.cnet.com/science/pianist-to-perform-musical-duet-with-slime-mold/). There are also approaches in synthetic biology that would use individual biological molecules for computing. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_computing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peptide_computing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcriptor)
So my question to you /cyb/ is how will these devices change the world of computing?
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>>2226
I think we will have both for different applications, but mostly biocomputers. Biocomputers are much cheaper than quantum computers.
I think we will have both for different applications, but mostly biocomputers. Biocomputers are much cheaper than quantum computers.
>>2229
Yes, but I was talking about combining biocomputers with quantum computers.
>Biocomputers are much cheaper than quantum computers.
Possibly, but they are not (are) more ethical.
Yes, but I was talking about combining biocomputers with quantum computers.
>Biocomputers are much cheaper than quantum computers.
Possibly, but they are not (are) more ethical.
Anonymous
No.2232
>>2231
I think it would depend on the application. I think using them as sensors and the like would be considerably more ethical than using them as processors.
I think it would depend on the application. I think using them as sensors and the like would be considerably more ethical than using them as processors.
>engineers
Investors are infinitely more important than some nerds. Quantum computers, and specially biocomputers are not attractive enough, at least for now.
Investors are infinitely more important than some nerds. Quantum computers, and specially biocomputers are not attractive enough, at least for now.
Anonymous
No.2243
>>2240
Basically this.
While quantum computing and bio computing could potentially have an important industrial/scientific application, there's little evidence for it being commercially profitable enough to get investors.
Basically this.
While quantum computing and bio computing could potentially have an important industrial/scientific application, there's little evidence for it being commercially profitable enough to get investors.
Anonymous
No.2267
>>2240
Biocomputers might start to look like an attractive option when supply chains start to collapse or if China shuts off access to rare earth minerals.
Biocomputers might start to look like an attractive option when supply chains start to collapse or if China shuts off access to rare earth minerals.
Could biocomputers be made from lesser forms of life, such as dolphin brain cells or nigger brain cells?
Anonymous
No.2270
>>2268
>>2269
They've already been made using human brains cells.
https://www.ign.com/articles/pong-human-brain-cells-faster-learn-ai
>>2269
They've already been made using human brains cells.
https://www.ign.com/articles/pong-human-brain-cells-faster-learn-ai
Anonymous
No.2271
>>2269
Also not sure a flight simulator should be classified as "basic" these things have a lot of potential.
Also not sure a flight simulator should be classified as "basic" these things have a lot of potential.
Remember the AI that made Halicin?
Bet an AI made of human or negroid or dolphim/rat brain cells could make something better than Halicin.
Bet an AI made of human or negroid or dolphim/rat brain cells could make something better than Halicin.
In Rain World there are colossal supercomputers that run their processing power off "microbes," presumably bacteria. The issue with doing this is not only heat management but ensuring that these microorganisms get enough water. Also, if they get sick or mutate that could open up a host of other issues as well.
>>2284
>>2286
Phages (viruses) and Bacteria engage in co-evolution. Bacteria constantly modify their defenses in response to phages. Phages then adapt to these new defenses and so on.
Not unlike software when you think about it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro2315
>>2286
Phages (viruses) and Bacteria engage in co-evolution. Bacteria constantly modify their defenses in response to phages. Phages then adapt to these new defenses and so on.
Not unlike software when you think about it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro2315
>>2284
I know that bacteria have been used in biocomputers before. Geobacter sulfurreducens is a real good candidate for a computer like that.
I know that bacteria have been used in biocomputers before. Geobacter sulfurreducens is a real good candidate for a computer like that.
Anonymous
No.2310
>>2290
Apparently they've already been used to make a rudimentary biocomputer.
https://www.seantross.com/transmitting-nature
Apparently they've already been used to make a rudimentary biocomputer.
https://www.seantross.com/transmitting-nature
Anonymous
No.2314
>>2289
So you're talking about a "(Co-)evolution" of a machine(AI) and microbe creating a Cyborg "naturally"?
So you're talking about a "(Co-)evolution" of a machine(AI) and microbe creating a Cyborg "naturally"?
Anonymous
No.2323
>>2322
Not really. One way in which software "evolves", is through the search of vulnerabilities, as they are discovered and then subsequently patched.
Phages explore vulnerabilities and device workarounds to kill bacteria. Bacteria adapt developing new defenses. All through natural selection of course.
Not really. One way in which software "evolves", is through the search of vulnerabilities, as they are discovered and then subsequently patched.
Phages explore vulnerabilities and device workarounds to kill bacteria. Bacteria adapt developing new defenses. All through natural selection of course.
Anonymous
No.2324
>Inside the lab that’s growing mushroom computers
>The lead researcher says he is “planning to make a brain from mushrooms.”
https://www.popsci.com/technology/unconventional-computing-lab-mushroom/
>The lead researcher says he is “planning to make a brain from mushrooms.”
https://www.popsci.com/technology/unconventional-computing-lab-mushroom/
>>2493
>“planning to make a brain from mushrooms.”
Amazing the stupidity of that research.
Computers are meant to be lighting fast, no organic material can match silicon stuff, not even in dreams.
>“planning to make a brain from mushrooms.”
Amazing the stupidity of that research.
Computers are meant to be lighting fast, no organic material can match silicon stuff, not even in dreams.
>>2493
Imagine this technology being abused to mine bitcoin using the mycelium of the biggest forests of the world
Imagine this technology being abused to mine bitcoin using the mycelium of the biggest forests of the world
>>2495
>Imagine this technology being abused to mine bitcoin
Yeah, a quatrillion year needed to mine just one.
>Imagine this technology being abused to mine bitcoin
Yeah, a quatrillion year needed to mine just one.
Anonymous
No.2500
>>2498
No way fag.
Look at the size of a forest with mushrooms.
Look at the size of a bitcoin mining rig.
Scale up to match the forest.
No way fag.
Look at the size of a forest with mushrooms.
Look at the size of a bitcoin mining rig.
Scale up to match the forest.
>>2494
The human brain is both more powerful than any computer on the planet and consumes less energy. Organic material absolutely has the potential to out-compute silicon transistors.
The human brain is both more powerful than any computer on the planet and consumes less energy. Organic material absolutely has the potential to out-compute silicon transistors.
https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/a-computing-system-made-from-heart-cells/
This is the third biocomputer this year to make headlines. Seems there is a lot of interest in biocompting right now.
This is the third biocomputer this year to make headlines. Seems there is a lot of interest in biocompting right now.
>>2548
>“Next steps will be to improve the programmability of our biocomputer, so that we can solve multiple problems on one device,” added Zorlutuna.
What a shameless grifter and con man.
>“Next steps will be to improve the programmability of our biocomputer, so that we can solve multiple problems on one device,” added Zorlutuna.
What a shameless grifter and con man.
>>2551
An electro-chemical reaction is not a computer and tweaking that reaction is not the software.
That cretin is using the 'computer' label while calling his contact in the judenpresse to facilitate more shekels and a steady incoming.
An electro-chemical reaction is not a computer and tweaking that reaction is not the software.
That cretin is using the 'computer' label while calling his contact in the judenpresse to facilitate more shekels and a steady incoming.
Anonymous
No.2554
>>2553
>it is a form of computing
A forced analogy (a form of computing you said) doesn't turn one into another.
>it is a form of computing
A forced analogy (a form of computing you said) doesn't turn one into another.
Anonymous
No.3697
Biocomputing is really starting to take off.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=txtDpCLHUkU
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/dna-storage/
Fun fact in the original script of the matrix the humans were used as processors not batteries, but the studio thought that audiences wouldn't get it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=txtDpCLHUkU
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/dna-storage/
Fun fact in the original script of the matrix the humans were used as processors not batteries, but the studio thought that audiences wouldn't get it.
>>4040
>artificial-neurons-could-directly-communicate-living
The devil is in the details. "Could" means just wishful thinking.
>artificial-neurons-could-directly-communicate-living
The devil is in the details. "Could" means just wishful thinking.
>>4042
Not so sure. We have plenty of other materials that could do it. Not sure why bacterial nanowires wouldn't be able to do it. I could see them provoking and immune response, but I would think gene editing could fix that.
Not so sure. We have plenty of other materials that could do it. Not sure why bacterial nanowires wouldn't be able to do it. I could see them provoking and immune response, but I would think gene editing could fix that.
>>4043
You can make a Turing machine with a Turing-complete ruleset for deterministic data manipulation in Conway's game of Life, that can run the game of Life. There were mechanical cash registers that could carry out surprisingly sophisticated, 100% deterministic data manipulation 150 years ago. That you could, theoretically, assemble such a system out of living tissue should not surprise or alarm us.
But when you actually read these articles there's always an awful lot of "if" and "potentially" and "maybe." We've been on the verge of an amazing breakthrough in biocomputing for 50+ years. It's been all sizzle, no steak, since before you were born, or your parents. It smells like grant farming to me, but I'm a cynic and a horrible person.
You can make a Turing machine with a Turing-complete ruleset for deterministic data manipulation in Conway's game of Life, that can run the game of Life. There were mechanical cash registers that could carry out surprisingly sophisticated, 100% deterministic data manipulation 150 years ago. That you could, theoretically, assemble such a system out of living tissue should not surprise or alarm us.
But when you actually read these articles there's always an awful lot of "if" and "potentially" and "maybe." We've been on the verge of an amazing breakthrough in biocomputing for 50+ years. It's been all sizzle, no steak, since before you were born, or your parents. It smells like grant farming to me, but I'm a cynic and a horrible person.
Anonymous
No.4199
>>4196
>It smells like grant farming to me, but I'm a cynic and a horrible person.
I remember reading this article over a decade ago, naively thinking it would be a brilliant idea. I've become jaded in my time however.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/mp3-files-written-as-dna-with-storage-density-of-2-2-petabytes-per-gram/
>It smells like grant farming to me, but I'm a cynic and a horrible person.
I remember reading this article over a decade ago, naively thinking it would be a brilliant idea. I've become jaded in my time however.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/mp3-files-written-as-dna-with-storage-density-of-2-2-petabytes-per-gram/
Anonymous
No.4214
>>4213
>human-brain-cell-computer-plays-doom/
Is that a digital single-braincell-guy playing dewm? He's literally me!
>human-brain-cell-computer-plays-doom/
Is that a digital single-braincell-guy playing dewm? He's literally me!
>>2185
Who bumped this necrothread?
It is already known that biocomputers are propaganda and not achievable by the current tech.
Who bumped this necrothread?
It is already known that biocomputers are propaganda and not achievable by the current tech.
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