are an emergency technology where biological components are made to store and/or process information for computers. Biocomputers have been made in the past using brain cells (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6573-brain-cells-in-a-dish-fly-fighter-plane/)
however keeping brain cells alive is both difficult and expensive. Other approaches are currently being tried using fungi and bacteria. (https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/11/09/1039107/e-coli-maze-solving-biocomputer/ https://www.cnet.com/science/pianist-to-perform-musical-duet-with-slime-mold/)
. There are also approaches in synthetic biology that would use individual biological molecules for computing. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_computing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peptide_computing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcriptor)
So my question to you /cyb/ is how will these devices change the world of computing?
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Oh damn, imagine smashbot running on such a system. Nobody would be safe.
>>2205>Suffering is a conscious experience. If it isn't conscious, it can't suffer.
You can suffer in your sleep, during a nightmare. Organisms with neither intelligence nor self awareness are still capable of feeling pain and stress.
Dreams are complicated. I guess you aren't conscious in the traditional sense. The key word is awareness. Since you still have awareness to the stimuli in the dream, it shouldn't be considered a complete loss of conciousness as per this definition.>Organisms with neither intelligence nor self awareness are still capable of feeling pain and stress.
Without awareness, pain is no different to the sensors in a machine telling it to protect its expensive components.
And stress is little more than a chemical adjustment to the given situation.
Our perception of pain and stress is literally shaped by our conscious experiences.
Idk, people aren't always aware of anything while they're in comas, but people also sometimes wake up from comas that they've been in decades. I don't think your soul should leave your body because of loss of awareness or consciousness.
That's getting into the esoteric metaphysics of afterlives/souls though. It's not really knowable or probable using logic or science, so discussing when/how it happens is an exercise in futility.
>>2210>Idk, people aren't always aware of anything while they're in comas, but people also sometimes wake up from comas that they've been in decades.
Which means it wasn't a permanent loss of consciousness.
Should I mention how these implications line up perfectly with the bible?
I mean, issues like the long comas you mentioned. Or technology being able to "resurrect" people after they've been dead for a long time. Are not really that important, because everyone will only join the otherworld until judgement day.
The precise moment in which your soul leaves your body is* irrelevant.
On that note. I doubt any pagan religion stands its ground as firmly on this.
Technology will put religion to the test. And the false gods will be trampled one by one.
>>2212>Which means it wasn't a permanent loss of consciousness.
Yeah, but how can you tell something is "permanent" when people go on for literal decades with little or no brain activity, and then just wake up like nothing happened? You wouldn't be able to tell if it's really permanent until they died and their brain matter were incinerated.>The precise moment in which your soul leaves your body is* irrelevant.
The question was when your soul leaves your body, not the relevance of it; it wouldn't change that you might spend decades in a computer-simulated nightmare. I see your point though.
Anyway, this is getting a little off-topic, so let's not shit-up OP's biocomputer thread, but if you have anything more to say about souls I'd gladly read all about it on a >>>/vx/
We have or will have quantum computers. We have or rather we will have biocomputers. The question is whether a quantum computer and a biocomputer can be combined, creating a quatinc biocomputer. What would it be like?
I think we will have both for different applications, but mostly biocomputers. Biocomputers are much cheaper than quantum computers.
Nothing seems to indicate it can't be done.
Yes, but I was talking about combining biocomputers with quantum computers.>Biocomputers are much cheaper than quantum computers.
Possibly, but they are not (are) more ethical.
I think it would depend on the application. I think using them as sensors and the like would be considerably more ethical than using them as processors.
Engineers don't care about ethics.
Investors are infinitely more important than some nerds. Quantum computers, and specially biocomputers are not attractive enough, at least for now.
While quantum computing and bio computing could potentially have an important industrial/scientific application, there's little evidence for it being commercially profitable enough to get investors.
Biocomputers might start to look like an attractive option when supply chains start to collapse or if China shuts off access to rare earth minerals.
Could biocomputers be made from lesser forms of life, such as dolphin brain cells or nigger brain cells?
Probably. We have basic ones made out of rats already.
Also not sure a flight simulator should be classified as "basic" these things have a lot of potential.
Remember the AI that made Halicin?
Bet an AI made of human or negroid or dolphim/rat brain cells could make something better than Halicin.
What if they used crow or parrot brain cells?
They would probably work better than nigger brain cells.
In Rain World there are colossal supercomputers that run their processing power off "microbes," presumably bacteria. The issue with doing this is not only heat management but ensuring that these microorganisms get enough water. Also, if they get sick or mutate that could open up a host of other issues as well.
Phages (viruses) and Bacteria engage in co-evolution. Bacteria constantly modify their defenses in response to phages. Phages then adapt to these new defenses and so on.
Not unlike software when you think about it.https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro2315
I know that bacteria have been used in biocomputers before. Geobacter sulfurreducens is a real good candidate for a computer like that.
Apparently they've already been used to make a rudimentary biocomputer.https://www.seantross.com/transmitting-nature
So you're talking about a "(Co-)evolution" of a machine(AI) and microbe creating a Cyborg "naturally"?
Not really. One way in which software "evolves", is through the search of vulnerabilities, as they are discovered and then subsequently patched.
Phages explore vulnerabilities and device workarounds to kill bacteria. Bacteria adapt developing new defenses. All through natural selection of course.
I guess I should've said. Phages are physical, biological viruses. They're not software.
>>2493>“planning to make a brain from mushrooms.”
Amazing the stupidity of that research.
Computers are meant to be lighting fast, no organic material can match silicon stuff, not even in dreams.
Imagine this technology being abused to mine bitcoin using the mycelium of the biggest forests of the world
>>2495>Imagine this technology being abused to mine bitcoin
Yeah, a quatrillion year needed to mine just one.
No way fag.
Look at the size of a forest with mushrooms.
Look at the size of a bitcoin mining rig.
Scale up to match the forest.
The human brain is both more powerful than any computer on the planet and consumes less energy. Organic material absolutely has the potential to out-compute silicon transistors.
Organic has broadband, but the snail' speed.
Organic has the potential for parallel computing.
This is the third biocomputer this year to make headlines. Seems there is a lot of interest in biocompting right now.
>>2548>“Next steps will be to improve the programmability of our biocomputer, so that we can solve multiple problems on one device,” added Zorlutuna.
What a shameless grifter and con man.
An electro-chemical reaction is not a computer and tweaking that reaction is not the software.
That cretin is using the 'computer' label while calling his contact in the judenpresse to facilitate more shekels and a steady incoming.
If they can use electro-chemical reactions to solve problems then it is a form of computing.
>>2553>it is a form of computing
A forced analogy (a form of computing you said) doesn't turn one into another.