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Biocomputers
Anonymous
No.2185
Biocomputers (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_computing) are an emergency technology where biological components are made to store and/or process information for computers. Biocomputers have been made in the past using brain cells (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6573-brain-cells-in-a-dish-fly-fighter-plane/) however keeping brain cells alive is both difficult and expensive. Other approaches are currently being tried using fungi and bacteria. (https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/11/09/1039107/e-coli-maze-solving-biocomputer/ https://www.cnet.com/science/pianist-to-perform-musical-duet-with-slime-mold/). There are also approaches in synthetic biology that would use individual biological molecules for computing. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_computing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peptide_computing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcriptor)

So my question to you /cyb/ is how will these devices change the world of computing?
Anonymous
No.2186
2187
>be gamer
>perish
>donate body to science
>last will and testament requires that your brain be harvested for biocomputers put into a public arcade full of emulation machines
>finally
>you can play DOOM even in death
Anonymous
No.2187
2188
>>2186
When you die I will use your brain to mine shit coins.
Anonymous
No.2188
2199 2200
>>2187
That would be like actual hell
Anonymous
No.2199
>>2188
Yeah that's shits nightmare fuel. I think I was drunk posting when I said that.
Anonymous
No.2200
2201 2205
>>2188
I don't think the human brain would be conscious for that if used in a manner it wasn't designed for.
Anonymous
No.2201
2202 2205
>>2200
Just because you're not conscious doesn't mean you can't feel pain and misery.
Anonymous
No.2202
2203 2204
>>2201
After death the soul moves on. Whatever is done to the brain would not matter.
Anonymous
No.2203
2205
>>2202
If your brain is functioning, are you really dead? How much of your body needs to be removed for your soul to move on?
Anonymous
No.2204
2205 2206 2208
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>>2202
Define "death".
Jews could break down your door tomorrow, kidnap you, take your eyes, ears, nose, and tongue, sever your spinal cord to keep you in a state of permanent tactless vegetation, hook your organs up to artificial pumps and life support systems, and then keep you locked up like that for decades trying to scream with no mouth.
They could hook up electrodes to your brain so that your entire perception of reality would just be constant torture for their perverted games, but you'd still be completely alive, and conscious to at least some capacity, but you'd be in hell on earth.
Anonymous
No.2205
2207
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>>2200
Probably not.
>>2201
You can't tho. Suffering is a conscious experience. If it isn't conscious, it can't suffer.
>>2203
I think it's consciousness that matters. When you think about it. Although the other parts all have an influence. It is your conscious self from which you exist as an actual human being. Rather than a bunch of sensors with scripted responses to given stimuli. Your conscious self is the only thing that can resist the primitive urges that separate animal from man.
Man stopped, or otherwise radically changed the evolutive process in a way it was never supposed to.
Perhaps merely a partial accomplishment, but Man has tamed itself.
>>2204
Thus, it should be.
>The permanent loss of consciousness.
Anonymous
No.2206
>>2204
Oh damn, imagine smashbot running on such a system. Nobody would be safe.
Anonymous
No.2207
2209
>>2205
>Suffering is a conscious experience. If it isn't conscious, it can't suffer.
You can suffer in your sleep, during a nightmare. Organisms with neither intelligence nor self awareness are still capable of feeling pain and stress.
Anonymous
No.2208
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>>2204
Anonymous
No.2209
2210
>>2207
Dreams are complicated. I guess you aren't conscious in the traditional sense. The key word is awareness. Since you still have awareness to the stimuli in the dream, it shouldn't be considered a complete loss of conciousness as per this definition.
>Organisms with neither intelligence nor self awareness are still capable of feeling pain and stress.
Without awareness, pain is no different to the sensors in a machine telling it to protect its expensive components.
And stress is little more than a chemical adjustment to the given situation.
Our perception of pain and stress is literally shaped by our conscious experiences.
Anonymous
No.2210
2212
>>2209
Idk, people aren't always aware of anything while they're in comas, but people also sometimes wake up from comas that they've been in decades. I don't think your soul should leave your body because of loss of awareness or consciousness.
That's getting into the esoteric metaphysics of afterlives/souls though. It's not really knowable or probable using logic or science, so discussing when/how it happens is an exercise in futility.
Anonymous
No.2212
2214
>>2210
>Idk, people aren't always aware of anything while they're in comas, but people also sometimes wake up from comas that they've been in decades.
Which means it wasn't a permanent loss of consciousness.
Should I mention how these implications line up perfectly with the bible?
I mean, issues like the long comas you mentioned. Or technology being able to "resurrect" people after they've been dead for a long time. Are not really that important, because everyone will only join the otherworld until judgement day.
The precise moment in which your soul leaves your body is* irrelevant.
Anonymous
No.2213
On that note. I doubt any pagan religion stands its ground as firmly on this.
Technology will put religion to the test. And the false gods will be trampled one by one.
Anonymous
No.2214
2215
>>2212
>Which means it wasn't a permanent loss of consciousness.
Yeah, but how can you tell something is "permanent" when people go on for literal decades with little or no brain activity, and then just wake up like nothing happened? You wouldn't be able to tell if it's really permanent until they died and their brain matter were incinerated.
>The precise moment in which your soul leaves your body is* irrelevant.
The question was when your soul leaves your body, not the relevance of it; it wouldn't change that you might spend decades in a computer-simulated nightmare. I see your point though.
Anyway, this is getting a little off-topic, so let's not shit-up OP's biocomputer thread, but if you have anything more to say about souls I'd gladly read all about it on a >>>/vx/ thread.
Anonymous
No.2215
>>2214
Kay
Anonymous
No.2226
2227 2229
We have or will have quantum computers. We have or rather we will have biocomputers. The question is whether a quantum computer and a biocomputer can be combined, creating a quatinc biocomputer. What would it be like?
Anonymous
No.2227
2228
Spoilered
>>2226
Anonymous
No.2228
2230
>>2227
Can it be bred?
Anonymous
No.2229
2231
>>2226
I think we will have both for different applications, but mostly biocomputers. Biocomputers are much cheaper than quantum computers.
Anonymous
No.2230
>>2228
Nothing seems to indicate it can't be done.
Anonymous
No.2231
2232 2233
>>2229
Yes, but I was talking about combining biocomputers with quantum computers.
>Biocomputers are much cheaper than quantum computers.
Possibly, but they are not (are) more ethical.
Anonymous
No.2232
>>2231
I think it would depend on the application. I think using them as sensors and the like would be considerably more ethical than using them as processors.
Anonymous
No.2233
>>2231
Engineers don't care about ethics.
Anonymous
No.2240
2243 2267
>engineers
Investors are infinitely more important than some nerds. Quantum computers, and specially biocomputers are not attractive enough, at least for now.
Anonymous
No.2243
>>2240
Basically this.
While quantum computing and bio computing could potentially have an important industrial/scientific application, there's little evidence for it being commercially profitable enough to get investors.
Anonymous
No.2267
>>2240
Biocomputers might start to look like an attractive option when supply chains start to collapse or if China shuts off access to rare earth minerals.
Anonymous
No.2268
2269 2270
Could biocomputers be made from lesser forms of life, such as dolphin brain cells or nigger brain cells?
Anonymous
No.2269
2270 2271
>>2268
Probably. We have basic ones made out of rats already.
Anonymous
No.2270
>>2268
>>2269
They've already been made using human brains cells.
https://www.ign.com/articles/pong-human-brain-cells-faster-learn-ai
Anonymous
No.2271
>>2269
Also not sure a flight simulator should be classified as "basic" these things have a lot of potential.
Anonymous
No.2272
2279
Remember the AI that made Halicin?
Bet an AI made of human or negroid or dolphim/rat brain cells could make something better than Halicin.
Anonymous
No.2279
2280
>>2272
What if they used crow or parrot brain cells?
Anonymous
No.2280
>>2279
They would probably work better than nigger brain cells.
Anonymous
No.2284
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In Rain World there are colossal supercomputers that run their processing power off "microbes," presumably bacteria. The issue with doing this is not only heat management but ensuring that these microorganisms get enough water. Also, if they get sick or mutate that could open up a host of other issues as well.
Anonymous
No.2286
2289
>>2284
>a biocomputer could get a literal virus
Dear god...
Anonymous
No.2289
>>2284
>>2286
Phages (viruses) and Bacteria engage in co-evolution. Bacteria constantly modify their defenses in response to phages. Phages then adapt to these new defenses and so on.
Not unlike software when you think about it.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro2315
Anonymous
No.2290
2310
>>2284
I know that bacteria have been used in biocomputers before. Geobacter sulfurreducens is a real good candidate for a computer like that.
Anonymous
No.2310
>>2290
Apparently they've already been used to make a rudimentary biocomputer.
https://www.seantross.com/transmitting-nature
Anonymous
No.2314
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetware_computer
Another wiki page worth reading.