I got and subsequently lost a job in the middle of nowhere within 24 hours. The TL;DR is that my handbook had no useful information in it, and my coworkers and higher-ups shouted and put me down every time I made a mistake I couldn't have avoided. For instance, there's a portable nailplate pressing device that is used when the rolling press doesn't keep the plates on the boards, but its cords were tangled and the thing is heavy enough to break a windshield by gently laying it down on it. But when a truss is pushed outside, they want you done with it within one minute, maybe two if you're lucky. Someone who doesn't know the quickest ways to check for nailplates, or the easiest way to bring the press around without running out of cables, has no chance of pleasing everyone there. But I still got shouted out over it constantly. Eventually, an issue out of my control happened and I got shouted out over it when I asked for help with it (the rolling press wasn't responding to button presses, and there was no visible on/off switch or power cable). I was so frustrated and felt so cornered after all this time that I shouted back at him, leading to everyone else at the plant ganging up on me. I quit soon after.
Talking to my grandpa about it, he just tells me to harden up, to get used to being attacked over every mistake made, but I don't think I can. I'm just too goddamn sensitive. I'm pre-wired to apologize, and whenever I do I get shouted at even harder for apologizing. I feel so small and useless, and no stress relief practices I've ever adopted seem to help with it.
What am I supposed to do? Am I just broken?
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>>2262
Especially in an industrial setting, you're always gonna get shit on, no matter what you do or how effective you are. Your grandpa has a point, but I would go one step further.
Unleash your inner shitposter. Literally (but make it funny) shitpost when you're getting reamed. If you're doing your best, point that out. Then, point out how with the dynamic you're having to work under it is impossible for you to accomplish all the things that you're tasked with. If you can offer suggestions and ideas that would streamline the process.
I would assume that the biggest issue on their end is that in any industrial plant or operation deals with a preponderence of abject morons, and being a dick and bringing the hammer is how they weed out those who can 'hang' and those who can't.
Tl;dr Don't get mad, and try not to get upset. Emphasize that you're doing your best, to the best of your ability and training, ask for assistance (whether further instruction or refinement of the process) and don't take it personally. If you can get your point across and its funny, you'll have an easy-er time.
Especially in an industrial setting, you're always gonna get shit on, no matter what you do or how effective you are. Your grandpa has a point, but I would go one step further.
Unleash your inner shitposter. Literally (but make it funny) shitpost when you're getting reamed. If you're doing your best, point that out. Then, point out how with the dynamic you're having to work under it is impossible for you to accomplish all the things that you're tasked with. If you can offer suggestions and ideas that would streamline the process.
I would assume that the biggest issue on their end is that in any industrial plant or operation deals with a preponderence of abject morons, and being a dick and bringing the hammer is how they weed out those who can 'hang' and those who can't.
Tl;dr Don't get mad, and try not to get upset. Emphasize that you're doing your best, to the best of your ability and training, ask for assistance (whether further instruction or refinement of the process) and don't take it personally. If you can get your point across and its funny, you'll have an easy-er time.
>>2263
>I'm just too goddamn sensitive
>I feel so small and useless
>no stress relief practices I've ever adopted seem to help with it
>just don't get mad bro
And the award for least helpful post in imageboard history goes to...
Turning around things and shitposting got me fired before. Plus, despite how lead-headed and crude everyone there was, the handbook stated that swearing and mean words were grounds for being suspended or terminated on first offense.
>I'm just too goddamn sensitive
>I feel so small and useless
>no stress relief practices I've ever adopted seem to help with it
>just don't get mad bro
And the award for least helpful post in imageboard history goes to...
Turning around things and shitposting got me fired before. Plus, despite how lead-headed and crude everyone there was, the handbook stated that swearing and mean words were grounds for being suspended or terminated on first offense.
>>2264
>>2265
I didn't say anything about mean words or swearing. Take this example: "You're supposed to get it done in (x amount of time)!"
You: "Oh right, cuz the machine process isn't inefficient or poorly designed, its perfectly normal to be able to do X in (x amount of time). Got any speed?"
But by your hypersensitive response, maybe industry isn't for you then. Its a brutal and unforgiving environment, not unlike the military in that regard. In my experience, the common admonishment is "Suck it up quiverlip."
>>2265
I didn't say anything about mean words or swearing. Take this example: "You're supposed to get it done in (x amount of time)!"
You: "Oh right, cuz the machine process isn't inefficient or poorly designed, its perfectly normal to be able to do X in (x amount of time). Got any speed?"
But by your hypersensitive response, maybe industry isn't for you then. Its a brutal and unforgiving environment, not unlike the military in that regard. In my experience, the common admonishment is "Suck it up quiverlip."
>>2266
I know you didn't say anything about mean words or swearing. It's an example of how strict I was told the rules would be when I entered, and how slighting someone could end in me getting shitcanned.
I know you didn't say anything about mean words or swearing. It's an example of how strict I was told the rules would be when I entered, and how slighting someone could end in me getting shitcanned.
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>>2266
The question that I was getting at with my snide replies is: how do you "don't get mad, try not to get upset?" You say it like it's the end-all be-all which for all I know it is, but clearly there's more to it than just thinking happy thoughts or burying your anger. And when I point out that you're telling an emotionally stunted horsefucker to just knuckle up, that's "hypersensitive." No shit. I literally said I was too sensitive and wanted help changing that. Are you fucking daft mate?
If there was any work out there for me that didn't require a four year degree and $50k in debt, whether I was in the city or the boonies, I'd take it! I've already been to both places and so far I'm stuck doing nothing but walking to businesses every week, in perpetuity.
The question that I was getting at with my snide replies is: how do you "don't get mad, try not to get upset?" You say it like it's the end-all be-all which for all I know it is, but clearly there's more to it than just thinking happy thoughts or burying your anger. And when I point out that you're telling an emotionally stunted horsefucker to just knuckle up, that's "hypersensitive." No shit. I literally said I was too sensitive and wanted help changing that. Are you fucking daft mate?
If there was any work out there for me that didn't require a four year degree and $50k in debt, whether I was in the city or the boonies, I'd take it! I've already been to both places and so far I'm stuck doing nothing but walking to businesses every week, in perpetuity.
>>2262
>>2268
>how?
Practice. Actually practice it's another skill you can enact. Much like meditation is the return to meditation. Brushing it off, have a funny witty retort that doesn't dig too deep (only as deep as they poke), and to learn what data to assimilate (is it just junk for a bit of fun or does it have a bit of truth).
https://youtu.be/futHL4W4E4s
>>2268
>how?
Practice. Actually practice it's another skill you can enact. Much like meditation is the return to meditation. Brushing it off, have a funny witty retort that doesn't dig too deep (only as deep as they poke), and to learn what data to assimilate (is it just junk for a bit of fun or does it have a bit of truth).
https://youtu.be/futHL4W4E4s
Different device, same guy. Just, start from the most basic microscopic detail. Treat me like an alien here. I am a level 1 brainlet. No experience. No college. No friends and no SOs. Utterly out of touch with my emotions. No money to spend. Probably a couple months left in the hourglass. No hobbies, no skills.
You're talking to a fucking retard.
So where do I start in dealing with this kind of workplace? When there is no handbook outline of job duties or advice, when coworkers are unwilling to offer help, when every deviation from perfection gets a threat in response. No urban work, few service jobs, and no apprenticeships.
You're talking to a fucking retard.
So where do I start in dealing with this kind of workplace? When there is no handbook outline of job duties or advice, when coworkers are unwilling to offer help, when every deviation from perfection gets a threat in response. No urban work, few service jobs, and no apprenticeships.
>>2271
Nah, dude just the act of practicing having a Thinker Skin (tm).
Recive some bullshit, do something with it, move on, repeat.
>>2270
>No experience. No college. No friends and no SOs. Utterly out of touch with my emotions. No money to spend.
>No hobbies, no skills.
Your first goal is to learn (and on how bad the situation is survival). Building your skill base. Your competentcies.
If you need experience volunteer. If a place is doing a festival volunteer. If a place is doing public clean up projects volunteer.
If a task sounds like something you can do, and you can do it well enough to be paid give it a try.
During volunteer work try to talk to others who do so (be positive! Even if it's utterly shit say some positive bullshit).
One thing to try is doing the most simple menial tasks available (and you are capable of doing so). There is a reason everyone on the jobsite hates it, and having someone else do their most disliked task will build a bit a favour, and it needed to be done.
If all else fails ask the boss (before you are hired) if you can watch for a bit to see what the work is like. Watch, lurk, and understand much like being a newfag somethings have to be explained, but much of it can be seen.
I'm not sure what area you have interests in, but money can be found if someone desires something.
Nah, dude just the act of practicing having a Thinker Skin (tm).
Recive some bullshit, do something with it, move on, repeat.
>>2270
>No experience. No college. No friends and no SOs. Utterly out of touch with my emotions. No money to spend.
>No hobbies, no skills.
Your first goal is to learn (and on how bad the situation is survival). Building your skill base. Your competentcies.
If you need experience volunteer. If a place is doing a festival volunteer. If a place is doing public clean up projects volunteer.
If a task sounds like something you can do, and you can do it well enough to be paid give it a try.
During volunteer work try to talk to others who do so (be positive! Even if it's utterly shit say some positive bullshit).
One thing to try is doing the most simple menial tasks available (and you are capable of doing so). There is a reason everyone on the jobsite hates it, and having someone else do their most disliked task will build a bit a favour, and it needed to be done.
If all else fails ask the boss (before you are hired) if you can watch for a bit to see what the work is like. Watch, lurk, and understand much like being a newfag somethings have to be explained, but much of it can be seen.
I'm not sure what area you have interests in, but money can be found if someone desires something.
>>2272
>volunteer
Already asked around. Churches are staffed. Library needs no help, they may later the spring with painting but that's it.
>do the menial work
I was a truss racker for all of a day. That's the only menial job that hired me all month.
>ask the boss to let you stand back and observe
T-that's actually good advice, thanks
>what area do you have an interest in
Other than watching Berserk and playing vidya? Been drawing blanks for years.
>volunteer
Already asked around. Churches are staffed. Library needs no help, they may later the spring with painting but that's it.
>do the menial work
I was a truss racker for all of a day. That's the only menial job that hired me all month.
>ask the boss to let you stand back and observe
T-that's actually good advice, thanks
>what area do you have an interest in
Other than watching Berserk and playing vidya? Been drawing blanks for years.
>>2273
If you don't mind the feeling of your soul leaking out of you're ears in pain you could try government work...
One thing to try is listen to people complain. If they have any that means there is a job authority afoot.
If you have a permanent/semiperminent place to live gardening might be a good idea. Selling whatever excess (best looking) produce at the local farmers market could boost your income...
Hell become an anime/game reviewer/video host the pay is nonexistent, but it's something.
Do mini tasks like fivver or whatever. Or start answering ads to get a bit of money...
If you don't mind the feeling of your soul leaking out of you're ears in pain you could try government work...
One thing to try is listen to people complain. If they have any that means there is a job authority afoot.
If you have a permanent/semiperminent place to live gardening might be a good idea. Selling whatever excess (best looking) produce at the local farmers market could boost your income...
Hell become an anime/game reviewer/video host the pay is nonexistent, but it's something.
Do mini tasks like fivver or whatever. Or start answering ads to get a bit of money...
>>2274
>>2275
>listen to people complain
I'll have to see about that one. Might yield results
>gardening
Would have to get permission from the owner of this place, and this isn't the most permanent of housing situations.
>start answering ads
If you mean classifieds, they all require previous experience. This place is pretty much all boomers and their 30 year old sons and daughters. I check every issue of the newspaper just in casez nothing yet.
>reviewer
Yknow, I could try content creator stuff, it's alrightish. Pay probably won't manifest before I get kicked out though.
>>2275
>listen to people complain
I'll have to see about that one. Might yield results
>gardening
Would have to get permission from the owner of this place, and this isn't the most permanent of housing situations.
>start answering ads
If you mean classifieds, they all require previous experience. This place is pretty much all boomers and their 30 year old sons and daughters. I check every issue of the newspaper just in casez nothing yet.
>reviewer
Yknow, I could try content creator stuff, it's alrightish. Pay probably won't manifest before I get kicked out though.
>>2276
Let's go through what you can do.
Can you cook?
Can you clean?
Can you take pictures?
Are there fast food places?
Is there any help wanted signs?
Would it be better to move to a new town?
There is demand for work online finding them is the hard part.
Talk to people about work opportunities.
List everything you can do at this moment
How many costs can you remove? How many benefits can you increase?
Let's go through what you can do.
Can you cook?
Can you clean?
Can you take pictures?
Are there fast food places?
Is there any help wanted signs?
Would it be better to move to a new town?
There is demand for work online finding them is the hard part.
Talk to people about work opportunities.
List everything you can do at this moment
How many costs can you remove? How many benefits can you increase?
>>2277
I mean don't list it here this is for you.
>List everything you can do at this moment
Look for those, and seek to expand it.
I mean don't list it here this is for you.
>List everything you can do at this moment
Look for those, and seek to expand it.
>>2277
I won't list everything here
I only lasted four shifts at a diner 40 minutes away, before they laid me off due to low traffic. Otherwise my cooking skill is about equal to my truss pressing skill. Barely passable on a good day, shit when on a strict timer.
I won't list everything here
I only lasted four shifts at a diner 40 minutes away, before they laid me off due to low traffic. Otherwise my cooking skill is about equal to my truss pressing skill. Barely passable on a good day, shit when on a strict timer.
>>2277
I'll start working on an expense/asset sheet but sadly moving out isn't an option unless I can make $500+ to rent a room elsewhere. Currently I'm rent free but I doubt I'll get that luxury for another three months.
I'll start working on an expense/asset sheet but sadly moving out isn't an option unless I can make $500+ to rent a room elsewhere. Currently I'm rent free but I doubt I'll get that luxury for another three months.
>>2280
https://youtu.be/UlgTYXPzqhg
I'm not sure what else I can say...
I think, while you can, you should talk to your grandpa it sounds like he wants to help, but only knows how he did it. That might help with your decision.
https://youtu.be/UlgTYXPzqhg
I'm not sure what else I can say...
I think, while you can, you should talk to your grandpa it sounds like he wants to help, but only knows how he did it. That might help with your decision.
>>2281
But in his time nobody would look at you sideways for starting a lemonade stand. So much has changed that almost every industry he's taken up has been fully automated and his current one is on its way as well. Following his advice is what the office wagies of last generation did and they suffered for a decade before dropping out of the rat race for a different industry.
But in his time nobody would look at you sideways for starting a lemonade stand. So much has changed that almost every industry he's taken up has been fully automated and his current one is on its way as well. Following his advice is what the office wagies of last generation did and they suffered for a decade before dropping out of the rat race for a different industry.
>>2282
Ah, I ment just to spend time with him. Make sure to spend it with those you like when you can.
Although some advice is timeless. Handy man work is good to know...
https://youtu.be/p-AlTvciSQ8
Ah, I ment just to spend time with him. Make sure to spend it with those you like when you can.
Although some advice is timeless. Handy man work is good to know...
https://youtu.be/p-AlTvciSQ8
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Ever watched Hell's Kitchen? Gordon Ramsay is an absolute drill sergeant and your first thought is "why is he being so mean and strict to those poor people?" The more you watch him though, the more you realize there is sentimentality beneath that tough exterior and he is hard because he wants others to improve. He went through such grueling training and review himself under the best of chefs which is the only way he could have gotten to where he is today. The only times he is calm is when he's given up and that is ultimately more terrifying because then there's no hope. So don't take criticism too harshly but focus on getting better. And yes, you're going to start out with a menial job because that's expected of most blue-collar professions: sushi chefs do nothing but wash rice for years while in training.
>>2271
Meditation in a Christian sense will actually help though. Making quips with "the guys" isn't something you've earned yet and you need to practice meekness. Meekness is not weakness but is ultimately strength as you can bear a burden without shirking or complaining. "Hacksaw Ridge" is a great movie with a role model of meekness. It's very difficult to hold onto because it directly hits your pride, but as one grows holier it becomes more natural just as with the other Fruits of the Holy Spirit.
>>2271
Meditation in a Christian sense will actually help though. Making quips with "the guys" isn't something you've earned yet and you need to practice meekness. Meekness is not weakness but is ultimately strength as you can bear a burden without shirking or complaining. "Hacksaw Ridge" is a great movie with a role model of meekness. It's very difficult to hold onto because it directly hits your pride, but as one grows holier it becomes more natural just as with the other Fruits of the Holy Spirit.
>>2284
Sorry for the radio silence, I didn't really have an excuse. I've never watched Ramsay or that movie, I'll have to sometime. I would actually go so far as to say that in person I've been overly meek. I'm willing to own up to mistakes, but realistically, how does one nail the timing on deep frying stuff without having used a deep fryer, or troubleshoot a pressing machine with no visible cords or power switches? All I can really do is apologize for wasting time and ask for help, but doing either of those just makes it worse somehow. And then when being reserved and meek gets such bad results, it adds and adds and adds to stress levels.
Sorry for the radio silence, I didn't really have an excuse. I've never watched Ramsay or that movie, I'll have to sometime. I would actually go so far as to say that in person I've been overly meek. I'm willing to own up to mistakes, but realistically, how does one nail the timing on deep frying stuff without having used a deep fryer, or troubleshoot a pressing machine with no visible cords or power switches? All I can really do is apologize for wasting time and ask for help, but doing either of those just makes it worse somehow. And then when being reserved and meek gets such bad results, it adds and adds and adds to stress levels.
>>2290
>how does one nail the timing on deep frying stuff without having used a deep fryer, or troubleshoot a pressing machine with no visible cords or power switches?
That's lack of due instruction and that's something different. I recommend asking for training so you can understand how the pressing machine works at least at an apprentice level. It may be that you're expected to do it on your own time, either studying the instruction manual or arriving early/staying late to ask an experienced colleague about the ins and outs. I have little understanding regarding the type of work you do but I imagine that when you get the hang of it there will be a lot less friction. When learning to drive or play golf I would dread those activities because my father, who was teaching me, would harangue me for mistakes especially when I kept making them. Over time however I made fewer mistakes and these activities actually became pleasurable, but that bump had to be surpassed.
>how does one nail the timing on deep frying stuff without having used a deep fryer, or troubleshoot a pressing machine with no visible cords or power switches?
That's lack of due instruction and that's something different. I recommend asking for training so you can understand how the pressing machine works at least at an apprentice level. It may be that you're expected to do it on your own time, either studying the instruction manual or arriving early/staying late to ask an experienced colleague about the ins and outs. I have little understanding regarding the type of work you do but I imagine that when you get the hang of it there will be a lot less friction. When learning to drive or play golf I would dread those activities because my father, who was teaching me, would harangue me for mistakes especially when I kept making them. Over time however I made fewer mistakes and these activities actually became pleasurable, but that bump had to be surpassed.
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