/sp/ - Football

I'm not against AI, I use it myself that's how I ended up on this discord, I have a good hundred of prompts on this app, it's impressive but this is also discouraging for what's coming up. Astralite don't give two shits.

https://discord.com/invite/wkjZaaB4he

Also the amount of derpi shills in there is something.

>>24234
>first pic
What exactly is going on with AI being literally a glorified Photoshop with logic but say would rather trash an AI image rather than photoshopping it. If anyone could explain.

>>24234
>blend
I posted the second image because it seemed odd that there's a market for models when there are so many free quality ones around and it's not that hard to create a quick mediocre one with just some pics. Otherwise yeah, these posts are always trying to create drama, I suspect they even reply to themselves now that the IP counter is gone. Best is to ignore them.

>>24235
>Astralite don't give two shits.
Astralite doesn't matter anyways. He might have finally managed to make a good model, but if a better one appears he'll lose relevancy over time and everyone else will go for the new one. The only one who has anything to lose is himself if he doesn't get his shit together.

>>24239
This was fine and tolerable when they kept it as a hobby but the late “muh bills life is hard” finding a way to indeed scam people is going to be a huge issue.
Of course Astralite, Ada and co will support this bullshit, they have an LLC to manage and make profit over artist's.
This is pure kikery.

>>24239
Yup, could be a LOT of falseflag, and another half of sperging, thanks to anonymity and the conflicts inherent on /mlp/.
So far Purplesmart has some moderation and is the least unhinged AI community I visited, I got evicted from another one a while ago where they worship AI like the messiah.
>Please brainchip me Mr Schwab!

Being curious by nature I always need to point out the hypocrisy of the staff "We are pro artists"

tl;dr he staff never discourage the sales of AI generated pictures, and Astra is clueless about copyright laws. They also debunk their own "images created from noise" bullshit.

>>24234
>selling AI art
Bruh. All you do is type text into a prompt, and repeat it a couple times. You do as much or less work than the commissioner does in describing what they want.

>purple smart
I went to go see if I should subscribe, then I saw that set of images they had next to it where I had to actively try to find the pony images, because it's almost entirely furry, and "nope"'d out of there.

>>24234
>>24235
>>24236
>Collage of other artists works.
The age of where everything is useful data that can be analyzed and sold is here.
It's a fucking hard position to defend.
A) 'free' easily accessible pictures means you can't defend it all the time forever.
B) It doesn't matter that the program is worse than an artist, it's relatively cheap and never complains about whatever fucked up niche thing is commissioned.
C) Anyone anywhere can do it even without an iota of artistic talent, just need prep work and effort.
Somebody would buy it, all packaged up.
>>24240
Just because anyone can sell something doesn't mean it'll succeed.
That's why they're building it to be furry first, because they shell out dosh and have a higher market presence than pure pony enjoyers.
<Why aren't you screaming oh no AI bad?
Because there's room for artists and generated stuff.
<But muh pics.
Porn can't stop the internet from spreading images neither can big corporations or anyone else. The internet has always been the wild west and the seven seas.
The shear control at every level required to even comprehend a potential to stop any of that would so utterly cripple the internet, personal computers and any sort of privacy makes it not even possible to realistically enforce.
<But muh artist money
Cracking on piracy doesn't increase sales, the game industry has the figures for it.
<What do?
If you really like somebody's creation support it. Sure you can add a whole lot of other factors you can tack on.
It's economics.
China doesn't innovate they steal from the US patent system. The issue is them developing innovation is not easily feasible.
Once it's out there, that's it. Any digital thing.
The difference between Pepes spread by hand and generators it the flood of stuff.
Yes there are alot of Pepes, that's a trickle compared to the potential images per millisecond.
As of now the flood ranges from crap to decent.
The point is the problem is always time. Whether you spend it or convince somebody else to.

>>24237
Aifaggots are mentally ill. The logic there is shit artificating is a more pure representation than editing their shit artifacting out. It's like never mixing media and thinking they're superior for it, except they just produce gpugarbage the majority of time when photoshop edits would be better. They don't have that skill they're absolutely pathetic and can't even do color changes let alone bigger edits without prompts. Half of the time they don't even have inpainting ability, which is just prompting an area and they spin their wheels like retards for hours with their notion of prompt engineering, which is no more than changing words around in the prompt box.

>>24237
Read this https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/40942193/#q40950586

>>24245
>>24246
I think it's a genre of psychology based all on jealousy AKA the small dick syndrome.
Myself I'm trying to understand that how complete retards can now create masterpieces, permanently knowing a computer just store data and vomit it out with a given order.
AI isn't magic sentient or anything. They're aware of it but they think it's sustainable. They don't understand that if capitalism works is that it protects an ecosystem, between production and viewers.
On the idea :
>We want equal rights as artists.
>It's not theft, copyrights and private property must be abolished
>We are leading a revolution with that incredible tech making us all equal to art
>Skills are ableism and
wait, they are basically regurgitating Marx and Engels.

So say you seize the means of prod, AI replaces humans because no one wants to be compared to a machine. But here's my two cents as a data analyst and consultant, and really it works the same :
Recycling AI art reinjects segments that were previously used and will poison the datasets, after one or two cycle the entropy of the datasets increases til it can only generate anything but clouds and noise.

I dare to believe it's the reason they hate image editing and call it a no-no. If an AI image is heavily edited it will not be detected as AI, BUT still incorporate errors created by the AI itself, and we have a geometric sequence every cycle of generation growing til a complete saturation.

Aight I'm overthinking this.

>>24247
You might be right, saying one thing publicly than another in private is exactly how twofaced aifags are. I don't have any discord caps but there's plenty of trash they dump on /mlp/

Everyone in the thread. The point about economics is that if there's demand someone can supply it, if there isn't its not so cost effective.
If it's a visible business model the profit after all expenses is positive.
Most flop.
Fact is if people don't buy it, it'll fade.
If it goes even stronger the market may be wide enough for competitors.
You can't stuff the genie back in the bottle, and ai isn't a cure all they're retarded about that.
>>24249
>pic four
>IP theft
Okay now I know there's some retards who don't get that the whole fan thing is the dubious grey area is a thing.
Kind of the reason why fandom content is hit with the legal hammer at times to maintain that the original product belongs to the IP holders.
As everyone knows don't trust any legal advice from strangers you've been warned.
>don't care about the thing
Going to give me an aneurysm.
>pic 3
Is a dumb. Photoshopping so it's just right if you want that one and it's close enough and you want jist one. If you're building factory style spewage minimizing factory errors means previously have a higher success rate.
>pic 2
Is a dumb copy paster.
>pic 1 salty, however as I said before anyone can make whatever weird passion project.
>>24234
What's the big deal?
They're flooding /mlp/ with garbage nobody wants?
They're trying to make a stand on shakey foundations?
They're trying to impose what they think on you?
They're trying to make dosh off of people who know nothing?
They're using public images of dubious legal grounds in more dubiously legal ways?
Is this just oh no there's retards who use computer programs?

>>24249
yes, discourse is the same!
also, I did a screencap of some of their emotional breakdowns like kids asking to be treated like artists. That's Not Art, YWNBAA!

Artists seething is hilarious, most valuable thing they contribute to the world now that robots replaced them.

>>24264
No, that's hilarious.

>>24266
While I am pro-AI art, this guy who types a few words into a prompter and repeats it a few times with a few more and less words needs to get the fuck over himself and telling people he is an """artist""".

It's lile you can feel the autism of the poster through these.

>>24266
$100 bucks says this guy doesn't right either, just get GPT to do it for him, that's all they ever do while they pretend they have other skills.

>>24269
I have never witnessed so much left-oriented posts on 4chins for over a decade and half now, even on /mlp/, it's like they were indoctrinated by Klaus Schwab himself, also the ad nauseam excuses trying to use feelings ‘what about the handicapped’ ‘I need to pay my bills’ ‘I live in Gondwana and need to feed my babies please buy me AI sirs’

>>24270
>Pencil is a slur
Beyond parody
>AutoArt
So they're taking the stance everything is automatic, thereby doing no work while they say ai takes work and they should be paid in the same breath? The fucking double think

They just wanted to “Democratize Art”
The results were inevitable. Give a retard a calculator he's going to try turning on the TV with it.

In a few years there will be barely breathing obese cadavers on wheelchairs making a noise like “Hr..uh!”
An AI assistant will translate the noise into a generated discourse on racial equality and gender, while generating some AI tearjerker video concluded with an ad for some climate friendly vegan burger.

AI sloppers are building this future - destroying elites and merit at the cost of becoming the woke corporations's slaves. Or Discord trannies, which makes zero difference whatsoever.

Equality is an abomination.

>>24268
>4
Obvious shitpost. Come on.

>>24252
>What's the big deal?
Right back at ya. Poners are just laughing at a bunch of faggots.

>>24275
Thanks

Does it even matter who/what makes the art, so long as the art is good?
All this drama is overblown.

>>24277
I enjoy mocking delusional proompters who believe themselves to be artists.
As long as you know you are a retarded proompter, I don't have a problem with it.

>>24277
Final image is what counts, I agree.
Photoshopping content altogether into something awesome never made anyone an artist, it was done for decades on DeviantArt. And every wallpaper site is full of those, there has always been things like that.

AI users are not even choosing the composition of their images, just words and the statistics help composing the average image where at least the photoshop retard can decide of the composition.

And that guy generally knows which artist he's stealing from, where the ai mongs are behaving like climate screaming trannies about a pseudoscience and words they ignore the meaning.
>you are all wrong, I'm a tech guy, that's how it works: the concepts interpolates in algorithmic computation, eulerian matrix concatenated in a symposium generating an array of scalar vectors into an image from trained images.

And

>You don't understand, I have no job i need to sell AI art to survive because my disability allowance is spent on weed and the new nVidia RTX4080 !

They're the same on Twitter and Facebook. if not worse.

>>24282
What if the image is good though?
>>24279
>>24281
I don't care what artists/prompters call themselves. I never cared for internet artist related drama. I just want more cute pony pics and memes.

>>24282
These arguments aren't really relevant to my post. I said the drama is overblown. Artists/prompters have their own niches, and there's no need to fight about it. So long as good images get made, I'm happy.

>>24284
You're calling it drama because the mask is off, pure damage control. Doing it for free is one thing, after all the shit talk about how artists are bad and greedy they turn around and become even worse kikes.

>>24286
>pure damage control
What did I say that implied that?
I think there's no reason for AI prompters and artists to fight. All I want is more pony pics and memes.

>>24287
They're inherently niggers and/or kikes in a white dominated space. Meritocracy is how whites got us to where we are, these losers want to tear it down. They're anti-white, communist faggots who are completely against working to improve the craft they leech off and want easy handouts. There's absolutely no way there will ever be a co-existance with a parasite like that. They want to feel superior not even equal ground, it's the same as feminists trashing male built society

>>24289
>There's absolutely no way there will ever be a co-existance
What part of AI images existing prevents artists from making their own art?
>They want to feel superior
Who cared how they feel?

>>24289
I think you're fixating too much on Twitter faggots who would find ways to be obnoxious whatever their hobby was. There's nothing wrong with AI images themselves.

>>24290
>What part of AI images existing prevents artists from making their own art?
>AI images
Pretty sure he's not talking about the technology itself. He said "they". That's a pronoun. He's talking about real people. In this case, he doesn't think prompters who sell art will ever cohexist with actual artists.
Gotta work on your reading comprehension pal.

>>24291
Same thing. >>24292

>>24292
What I said was that the drama surrounding AI images is overblown and that the flaming is unnecessary.
Twitter troons will be Twitter troons. They're best ignored.

>>24291
He's literally just shitting on some retards on Twitter. Thus far he's never said anything about AI art being inherently bad or something. Why are you so defensive about if he's not even talking about you.

>>24294
And yet, a huge portion of the drama is happening in /mlp/.

>>24295
I'm not "defensive" about it. All I said was that the drama felt unnecessary and that it's better to ignore obnoxious faggots than to give them attention.
>>24297
I only go in the AI thread on /mlp/ to save images. I prefer to browse it on ReadChan so that I can just save all of the images without witnessing the drama.

>>24298
Well, I'm sure I also have AI pics on my hard drive. I still think it's funny to mess with failed wannabe artists tho. I personally enjoyed poking a British poster here. I told him the only reason he was so excited for AI, was because he knew he will never be a real artist. Nigger broke down hard.
I think poners can choose to ignore these faggots or have a laugh at them instead. Either way it's fine by me.

>>24294
Twitter troons have made a den on /mlp/ you can see them circlejerk eachother and spout the same crap as they do from the discord caps on the board.

>>24301
Maybe I should respect that they found a way to defraud people dumber themselves out of money, and can make money that way?

But just... These screencaps make a good case for bringing back eugenics and especially euthanasia for the mentally handicapped

>>24301
I guess it makes sense and it is quite fitting for a bunch a commies. AI is theoretically the perfect driver of true equality. If you decide to ignore Human nature.

>>24301
>pic1
Another fucking critique of capitalism... But these absolute retards support capitalism spending thousands in RAM and a beef GPU to process this from corporations, or depend on data-mining created by the worst possible monopolies established in history to achieve this!

>pic2
it gotta be bait. At least the guide in OP had some morals about remaining human, but the AI brainrot is getting more and more real.

>pic3
I'm almost taking it cause look they have a similar structure: engage in emotional shit or moral to justify bullshit justifying scamming people to sleep at night.

>pic4
lots of buzzword bullshit about a fucking bubble that's not going anywhere or emerged too soon and trying to grow faster than the required amount of data. The endgoal here would be AGI (artificial general intelligence) but they are too hungry and lack the discipline.

I'd paraphrase Ian Malcolm here.
«Don't you see the danger, Anon, inherent in what you're doing here? Artificial intelligence is the most awesome force the planet's ever seen, but you wield it like a kid that's found his dad's gun.
I'll tell you the problem with the data that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You train on what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of artists to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're selling it, you wanna sell it.»

>>24305
It could be, it would be, Internet democratized access to knowledge and information and exchange of know how. now we see morons thinking earth is flat, that manmade climate change mustn't be questioned and there's 255 genders. And people who are asking how to do basic DIY at home to me instead of using their fucking google.
The dumbing-down predicted by idiocracy is going on turbo mode with AI.

>>24303
scammers exists and always existed, especially now with AI art, these are just fragile beings who are wanting to have legitimacy and to feel good about it despite they know they will never be artists, but slaves of a machine. I love tech, but not like this.
also here's one screencap a friend sent me. Took me a moment to understand it and the subjacent implications of that guy's interest in what is, in fact, paper and crayon drawings.

> they lose their authenticity when turned into 3D-like digital horrors. It's ironic that he criticizes AI art for its supposed lack of soul while resorting to such techniques himself. His recent works, heavily photoshopped to the point of being indistinguishable from AI-generated art are boring and devoid of personality.
Because digital art is about practice and envy to go deeper in details and achieve things that are impossible on paper, this is the same experience as in painting. If not more advanced, and there's not just photoshop. Painter and Krita also are amazing tools.

> If only there were more of his untouched pencil artworks available, I could easily train a LoRA on them this afternoon.
a lora is a compressed database of image assets the AI is trained on in form of math, imagine literally a zip/rar archive of data, the guy hates me for using digital art, but want to use AI to make more drawings, I swear there are punches in the face that are lost.

Hitler was the last human artist tbh.

>>24307
minimalism, readymade, crap installations and all the postmodern faggotry is what killed art.
I shit on fucking tomb of Marcel Duchamp Keith Harring, Peter Mondrian and fucking Twombly, these have killed the merit, the passion, the value and the beauty of art turning all of it into a fucking clownfest.