I've been a proud member of this community for nearly four years, but I've come to realize that I know next to nothing about how the site is run, or who really runs it.
Let's have a general topic thread about this:
How many active mods are there on the /mlpol/ staff?
Who has administrative access to the /mlpol/ server? (the policy page is outdated; it mentions Fallenpinapple, and nobody has heard from him in years)
How exactly does /mlpol/ vet its staff members, and what process did the current staff go through to get there?
What powers and privileges to /mlpol/ staffers have over the workings of the site?
/qa/ - Questions and Answers
Keeping the community together by giving you a voice
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To get this thread back on topic...
How exactly does the /mlpol/ staff make decisions? Is there some kind of vote or purality that needs to be met?
How do the /mlpol/ staff decide when and when not to disclose (((sensitive information))) to the community?
How are the standards of transparency, integrity and community input kept up? How are they enforced? How is accountability maintained?
How did the current members of the staff get where they are? What's their vetting process, and what standards do they need to meet?
How exactly does the /mlpol/ staff make decisions? Is there some kind of vote or purality that needs to be met?
How do the /mlpol/ staff decide when and when not to disclose (((sensitive information))) to the community?
How are the standards of transparency, integrity and community input kept up? How are they enforced? How is accountability maintained?
How did the current members of the staff get where they are? What's their vetting process, and what standards do they need to meet?
>>5542
It was not created to provide transparency. It was created by Atlas to try to speak to us in staff, because he lost his login to discord. We deleted it because it's a thread where Atlas stated he was the victim of a burglary, and that kind of private information doesn't need to stay up.
It was not created to provide transparency. It was created by Atlas to try to speak to us in staff, because he lost his login to discord. We deleted it because it's a thread where Atlas stated he was the victim of a burglary, and that kind of private information doesn't need to stay up.
>>5544
So what you're claiming was 'notice' was in fact Atlas trying to deal with his situation, and once notice had been deleted the site was to be aware of changes how?
So what you're claiming was 'notice' was in fact Atlas trying to deal with his situation, and once notice had been deleted the site was to be aware of changes how?
>>5543
Ahem.
As an semi outsider, I would bring to everyponer's attention that to talk about the the inner workings of /mlpol/ is against OpSec.
Just saying.
Ahem.
As an semi outsider, I would bring to everyponer's attention that to talk about the the inner workings of /mlpol/ is against OpSec.
Just saying.
>>5548
Yes, that argument has been raised. But where does one draw the line? Which is of primary importance? Better question, why cant there be a compromise in which anons get their info AND infosec is tended to?
Yes, that argument has been raised. But where does one draw the line? Which is of primary importance? Better question, why cant there be a compromise in which anons get their info AND infosec is tended to?
Anonymous
No.5551
>>5548
>(((OpSec)))
Glow niggers can get clapped. This is supposed to be a site run by the community for the community.
>(((OpSec)))
Glow niggers can get clapped. This is supposed to be a site run by the community for the community.
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>>5550
>But where does one draw the line?
Right here and right now.
OP has been way pushy to say the least and he is abusing /mlpol/'s good will.
>But where does one draw the line?
Right here and right now.
OP has been way pushy to say the least and he is abusing /mlpol/'s good will.
>>5553
OP is doing the right thing, unlike staff and people like you. Important stuff like this absolutely must not stay private.
OP is doing the right thing, unlike staff and people like you. Important stuff like this absolutely must not stay private.
>>5553
Horse shit
As former staff, I can testify (though I havent, yet, at least not tangibly) that staff has taken liberties well beyond the professed intent of the site, per the policy that Atlas initially developed.
Horse shit
As former staff, I can testify (though I havent, yet, at least not tangibly) that staff has taken liberties well beyond the professed intent of the site, per the policy that Atlas initially developed.
Anonymous
No.5557
>>5553
What do you mean abusing /mlpol/'s good will? Aren't the questions in the OP things that any site community should know? Is it not to the sites's benefit that the basic workings of the site be transparent. Isn't the reason this board exists for the sake of the community having the questions answered, and having their input taken into account?
/mlpol/ is not 4chins: /qa/ is supposed to be more than a bunch of autists screaming at a wall and posting pictures of corndogs. This board is supposed to be where policy is made.
What do you mean abusing /mlpol/'s good will? Aren't the questions in the OP things that any site community should know? Is it not to the sites's benefit that the basic workings of the site be transparent. Isn't the reason this board exists for the sake of the community having the questions answered, and having their input taken into account?
/mlpol/ is not 4chins: /qa/ is supposed to be more than a bunch of autists screaming at a wall and posting pictures of corndogs. This board is supposed to be where policy is made.
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>>5558
What fucking """current times""" call for staff rule #2 to be broken? What happened recently to warrant this?
We're not under constant attack by /jp/sies or GETsball faggots from /sp/ like we were a couple years ago. Nothing in the current climate warrants this level of secrecy.
And if there were some horrific, imminent threat that's so terrible it required the staff to throw its own standards of transparency out the window, I would very much like to know what that thing is.
What fucking """current times""" call for staff rule #2 to be broken? What happened recently to warrant this?
We're not under constant attack by /jp/sies or GETsball faggots from /sp/ like we were a couple years ago. Nothing in the current climate warrants this level of secrecy.
And if there were some horrific, imminent threat that's so terrible it required the staff to throw its own standards of transparency out the window, I would very much like to know what that thing is.
Ninjas
No.5562
>>5558
>in current year
Nothing is lost by offering pseudonyms. Nothing is lost by exchanging pseudonyms. Nothing that wasnt already at threat from (((whoever))) has been made so by revealing that the site has been operating in conflict to its professed intent and the desires of the site owner who, by the way, surprise, has changed. As a user, this is unacceptable. As former staff, this is unconscionable. But go on, attempt to whitewash it under whatever guise.
>in current year
Nothing is lost by offering pseudonyms. Nothing is lost by exchanging pseudonyms. Nothing that wasnt already at threat from (((whoever))) has been made so by revealing that the site has been operating in conflict to its professed intent and the desires of the site owner who, by the way, surprise, has changed. As a user, this is unacceptable. As former staff, this is unconscionable. But go on, attempt to whitewash it under whatever guise.
>>5560
>Nothing in the current climate warrants this level of secrecy.
>it required the staff to throw its own standards of transparency out the window
I have nothing to do with /mlpol/ staff, but the fact that you are looking for a pseudo "legal" ground to step on, says volumes about your future intentions and steps.
Troublemaker spotted.
>Nothing in the current climate warrants this level of secrecy.
>it required the staff to throw its own standards of transparency out the window
I have nothing to do with /mlpol/ staff, but the fact that you are looking for a pseudo "legal" ground to step on, says volumes about your future intentions and steps.
Troublemaker spotted.
Anonymous
No.5569
>>5561
Are you gonna be honest, or are you gonna keep moving the goalposts?
> You might recall a thread a few months ago where Atlas announced he had been locked out of discord for several months. We haven't made big announcements because /mlp/ is half "OH MY GOD THE FANDOM IS
>I'm claiming that Atlas posted about how he lost his discord login
Which one pertained to giving the site part and parcel?
Are you gonna be honest, or are you gonna keep moving the goalposts?
> You might recall a thread a few months ago where Atlas announced he had been locked out of discord for several months. We haven't made big announcements because /mlp/ is half "OH MY GOD THE FANDOM IS
>I'm claiming that Atlas posted about how he lost his discord login
Which one pertained to giving the site part and parcel?
Anonymous
No.5570
>>5566
The /mlpol/ rules are why the site is worth using. They are important.
>stirring the nest
Sometimes nests need to be stirred. This community is plenty resilient after everything it's been through.
The /mlpol/ rules are why the site is worth using. They are important.
>stirring the nest
Sometimes nests need to be stirred. This community is plenty resilient after everything it's been through.
>>5568
>What gain do you have from allowing staff to get away with blatantly breaking the policy?
Okay, glad you state clearly the purpose of this thread.
It is an attempt to corner some staff for some past behavior you don't agree.
>What gain do you have from allowing staff to get away with blatantly breaking the policy?
Okay, glad you state clearly the purpose of this thread.
It is an attempt to corner some staff for some past behavior you don't agree.
Anonymous
No.5572
>>5571
>purpose of this thread
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. He's not even the OP, I am.
I made the thread. I asked some very basic and obvious questions about moderation. In the thread, I discovered something I deemed to be unacceptable, and now I'm pissed off.
>purpose of this thread
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. He's not even the OP, I am.
I made the thread. I asked some very basic and obvious questions about moderation. In the thread, I discovered something I deemed to be unacceptable, and now I'm pissed off.
>>5571
>moving goalposts
Again, what do you have to gain from this? Shouldn't you be busy shilling on 4/pol/?
>moving goalposts
Again, what do you have to gain from this? Shouldn't you be busy shilling on 4/pol/?
>>5574
>now he moved on stealing (ex-)staff member names
Either that, or just a victim of particularly bad timing
>now he moved on stealing (ex-)staff member names
Either that, or just a victim of particularly bad timing
Anonymous
No.5580
Anonymous
No.5586
>>5582
Staff breaking policy is one of many unresolved grievances I have. Having said, I am not OP and that's not what this thread is about.
Do try to stick to topic k?
Staff breaking policy is one of many unresolved grievances I have. Having said, I am not OP and that's not what this thread is about.
Do try to stick to topic k?
>>5584
That's what certain fags in this thread believe. These very same fags seem to be holding nothing sacred too and are not above impersonating staff, if they find it necessary.
That's what certain fags in this thread believe. These very same fags seem to be holding nothing sacred too and are not above impersonating staff, if they find it necessary.
Anonymous
No.5588
Anonymous
No.5613
So, how exactly does the /mlpol/ staff make its decisions. As far as i've gathered, there are active mods and less active mods, a couple admins and an owner.
What's the decision-making process?
What's the decision-making process?
>>5488
OP, if you are wondering why we aren't taking you more seriously, I will explain it to you.
You come off as extremely entitled, like you and you alone are the appointed savior of the site, and should have been Atlas's handpicked successor.
I am well aware that you have been trying to get on staff for more than a year now, having messaged every individual associated with staff except myself and my friend - you choosing to avoid me, I have to assume, because of some three year old grudge.
You told pupperwoff you "didn't want to [make a thread]" on why we haven't approved you to join staff, and then you made a thread about it anyways, as if our refusal to let you join staff were some kind of grievous injustice committed against the whole community that the community needs to be riled into revolt against. You've made three threads now.
Yes, I know you have put a lot of time into the site. Yes, I know you have been here since day 1. Yes, I know you have been here almost continuously since the beginning. But so have I. So has Pupper. In fact, Pupperwoff has written 32,400 lines of code not counting 15,565 lines of comments. And I'm certain that other posters in this thread besides you and I have also been here since the beginning, and put much time in it. Yet you act like you believe you are a specially appointed savior of the website to save the community from the evil, evil staff.
From where I am sitting, it looks like you are trying to find any justification to try to start a revolt against staff because you were not, yourself, made an admin. It's like you are upset that Atlas did not leave the site to you.
Obviously none of the above means that you haven't raised good points, as even motivated reasoning can sometimes lead to good conclusions. And of course you won't agree with any of the above. But please forgive us if it's hard to take your indignation seriously.
[Read more] OP, if you are wondering why we aren't taking you more seriously, I will explain it to you.
You come off as extremely entitled, like you and you alone are the appointed savior of the site, and should have been Atlas's handpicked successor.
I am well aware that you have been trying to get on staff for more than a year now, having messaged every individual associated with staff except myself and my friend - you choosing to avoid me, I have to assume, because of some three year old grudge.
You told pupperwoff you "didn't want to [make a thread]" on why we haven't approved you to join staff, and then you made a thread about it anyways, as if our refusal to let you join staff were some kind of grievous injustice committed against the whole community that the community needs to be riled into revolt against. You've made three threads now.
Yes, I know you have put a lot of time into the site. Yes, I know you have been here since day 1. Yes, I know you have been here almost continuously since the beginning. But so have I. So has Pupper. In fact, Pupperwoff has written 32,400 lines of code not counting 15,565 lines of comments. And I'm certain that other posters in this thread besides you and I have also been here since the beginning, and put much time in it. Yet you act like you believe you are a specially appointed savior of the website to save the community from the evil, evil staff.
From where I am sitting, it looks like you are trying to find any justification to try to start a revolt against staff because you were not, yourself, made an admin. It's like you are upset that Atlas did not leave the site to you.
Obviously none of the above means that you haven't raised good points, as even motivated reasoning can sometimes lead to good conclusions. And of course you won't agree with any of the above. But please forgive us if it's hard to take your indignation seriously.
Anonymous
No.5628
>>5626
>implying this is about me
Nice ad homenim, faggot.
>you told pupperwoff you "didn't want to [make a thread]"
I indeed did say something similar to that on discord, but it was concerned with another topic entirely that I considered to be sensitive. This thread is unrelated to that. This thread is about public knowledge.
>it looks like you are trying to find any justification to try to start a revolt against staff
That's bullshit. I think the community deserves to know about these things. The questions I asked in the OP are quite frankly very basic questions that I thought should be public knowledge, but wasn't able to find out about through any other means. Tell me, where else am I, as a user, supposed to find this information?
Transparency is the reason why I've used this site for all these years, so when I hear about big things going on behind closed door, I get a little bit pissed.
>implying this is about me
Nice ad homenim, faggot.
>you told pupperwoff you "didn't want to [make a thread]"
I indeed did say something similar to that on discord, but it was concerned with another topic entirely that I considered to be sensitive. This thread is unrelated to that. This thread is about public knowledge.
>it looks like you are trying to find any justification to try to start a revolt against staff
That's bullshit. I think the community deserves to know about these things. The questions I asked in the OP are quite frankly very basic questions that I thought should be public knowledge, but wasn't able to find out about through any other means. Tell me, where else am I, as a user, supposed to find this information?
Transparency is the reason why I've used this site for all these years, so when I hear about big things going on behind closed door, I get a little bit pissed.
>>5626
>motivated reasoning
Solid argument you've got there. Real mature of you.
In all this, I just want my questions answered. Tat's what /qa/ is for. I don't think anybody should have to be on the staff just to know who owns the site or how its decisions are made, considering that the site policy is the reason why we trust this place with our freaking data. I've been patient. I've been formal. I've waited plenty long just to find out what the hell has been going on with this site that I care about so dearly, so please do forgive me if asking basic questions on the designated site issues board is even slightly more disruptive than trying to scrounge for bits of information by trying to ping dead accounts found in a dead server and praying for a potential reply.
I barely even knew what had happened to Atlas until now. The best hint I got was some weird posts on the (dead) public server that implied he'd lost his password. Oh do forgive me for being concerned what was going on with the site, and taking measures that you deem drastic just to find out how it's run, because it might damage the imagage of le sekrit OpSec cabal. It's not like I've got 4 years of doxxable info on this place.
The last two questions in the OP haven't even been answered yet.
[Read more] >motivated reasoning
Solid argument you've got there. Real mature of you.
In all this, I just want my questions answered. Tat's what /qa/ is for. I don't think anybody should have to be on the staff just to know who owns the site or how its decisions are made, considering that the site policy is the reason why we trust this place with our freaking data. I've been patient. I've been formal. I've waited plenty long just to find out what the hell has been going on with this site that I care about so dearly, so please do forgive me if asking basic questions on the designated site issues board is even slightly more disruptive than trying to scrounge for bits of information by trying to ping dead accounts found in a dead server and praying for a potential reply.
I barely even knew what had happened to Atlas until now. The best hint I got was some weird posts on the (dead) public server that implied he'd lost his password. Oh do forgive me for being concerned what was going on with the site, and taking measures that you deem drastic just to find out how it's run, because it might damage the imagage of le sekrit OpSec cabal. It's not like I've got 4 years of doxxable info on this place.
The last two questions in the OP haven't even been answered yet.
Truth be told, there really is no formal method of communication with the mods for mods for mlpol.net except for /qa/. Any question about the site needs to be asked here, in public, if it's to ever be addressed.
Pinging the discord accounts in the "official" (dead) server doesn't work, and it doesn't do anything for Anons who don't use discord.
The emails stopped working years ago. I don't know if they ever worked.
Pinging the discord accounts in the "official" (dead) server doesn't work, and it doesn't do anything for Anons who don't use discord.
The emails stopped working years ago. I don't know if they ever worked.
>>5626
>You've made three threads now.
You of all people should be able to see that at least one of those threads was started by a different person, come on.
>You've made three threads now.
You of all people should be able to see that at least one of those threads was started by a different person, come on.
>>5632
>trying to ping dead accounts
Or you could have, you know, messaged me, since you knew I was on staff, rather than testing Anon28, AngryMob, and whoever else.
>I barely even knew what had happened to Atlas until now
What happened to Atlas isn't your business. He told us in staff quite a few details because he considers us friends, but I don't think those details need to be posted in a location where they can be forever read by anyone who types the right words into Google.
>he last two questions in the OP haven't even been answered yet.
I was answering the questions going down the list, and then someone didn't like the answers and flipped out, trying to start site wide drama. Forgive me if the final two haven't been answered yet.
I'm not even sure what to say to "powers and privileges" besides pointing out who has server access. The new code doesn't really let us change much at all with an Admin account. There's not really much to say.
As for how staff is vetted, that is also hard to answer because of how few new staff have been added. The most recent hire was AngryMob last August (I think). He was recommended by Anon28 as his personal replacement. I knew that AngryMob had managed the /mlpol/ discord server for years. There was an "interview" with everyone on staff allowed to ask him questions, and his appointment to staff was unanimously consented to.
>>5633
Well yeah. /qa/, the official server (yes, it still exists, and it's only 'dead' if you don't use it for its intended purpose). You can also DM members of staff on Discord.
>>5634
My bad...
[Read more] >trying to ping dead accounts
Or you could have, you know, messaged me, since you knew I was on staff, rather than testing Anon28, AngryMob, and whoever else.
>I barely even knew what had happened to Atlas until now
What happened to Atlas isn't your business. He told us in staff quite a few details because he considers us friends, but I don't think those details need to be posted in a location where they can be forever read by anyone who types the right words into Google.
>he last two questions in the OP haven't even been answered yet.
I was answering the questions going down the list, and then someone didn't like the answers and flipped out, trying to start site wide drama. Forgive me if the final two haven't been answered yet.
I'm not even sure what to say to "powers and privileges" besides pointing out who has server access. The new code doesn't really let us change much at all with an Admin account. There's not really much to say.
As for how staff is vetted, that is also hard to answer because of how few new staff have been added. The most recent hire was AngryMob last August (I think). He was recommended by Anon28 as his personal replacement. I knew that AngryMob had managed the /mlpol/ discord server for years. There was an "interview" with everyone on staff allowed to ask him questions, and his appointment to staff was unanimously consented to.
>>5633
Well yeah. /qa/, the official server (yes, it still exists, and it's only 'dead' if you don't use it for its intended purpose). You can also DM members of staff on Discord.
>>5634
My bad...
Anonymous
No.5642
>>5639
I haven't barely to Anon28 in two years since he left his /mlpol/ server to AngryMob. He ghosted nearly every /mlpol/ adjacent server since then.
I haven't barely to Anon28 in two years since he left his /mlpol/ server to AngryMob. He ghosted nearly every /mlpol/ adjacent server since then.
Anonymous
No.5643
>>5639
>There was an "interview" with everyone on staff allowed to ask him questions, and his appointment to staff was unanimously consented to.
Huh, I guess that's the way it works then.
>There was an "interview" with everyone on staff allowed to ask him questions, and his appointment to staff was unanimously consented to.
Huh, I guess that's the way it works then.
>>5639
>You can also DM members of staff on Discord.
This is insufficient because it doesn't do anything for board users who do not use discord.
>You can also DM members of staff on Discord.
This is insufficient because it doesn't do anything for board users who do not use discord.
Anonymous
No.5791
>>5789
Simple enough to say, but all this was potentiate largely by staff ghosting OP for several years, under false pretenses of 'scheduling'. His salient argument is that staff has as little regard for users who don't suck their dicks as they do for inconvenient rules that are moot anyway because there is no one holding staff accountable for refusing to abide.
Simple enough to say, but all this was potentiate largely by staff ghosting OP for several years, under false pretenses of 'scheduling'. His salient argument is that staff has as little regard for users who don't suck their dicks as they do for inconvenient rules that are moot anyway because there is no one holding staff accountable for refusing to abide.
>>5639
>There's not really much to say.
I think there's a lot to talk about.
What does the /mlpol/ staff even do? Deleting cheese pizza as it comes up is a given, but everything else from thereon out is really vague.
What internal policies/standards does the staff have for itself pertaining to how it handles the site? Are there rules for what constitutes as ethical use of staffing position? Any rules for what kinds of posts should be deleted? What kind of posters should be banned Aand when? When it's appropriate to edit someone's post to make it look like they're saying something else? Are rules 3-13 exhaustive when it comes to users free reign of content they can and cannot post? It appears as though staff rules #1-4 are open to interpretation, so I can only assume the same goes for user rules.
>There's not really much to say.
I think there's a lot to talk about.
What does the /mlpol/ staff even do? Deleting cheese pizza as it comes up is a given, but everything else from thereon out is really vague.
What internal policies/standards does the staff have for itself pertaining to how it handles the site? Are there rules for what constitutes as ethical use of staffing position? Any rules for what kinds of posts should be deleted? What kind of posters should be banned Aand when? When it's appropriate to edit someone's post to make it look like they're saying something else? Are rules 3-13 exhaustive when it comes to users free reign of content they can and cannot post? It appears as though staff rules #1-4 are open to interpretation, so I can only assume the same goes for user rules.
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