That's because jews want to sit down and see the cash roll in.
If you ask them do the most minimal thing, you are an oppresor/terrorist/psychopath who must be in jail/death row.
And let's not get into money and you are asking for a coin.
>>207634>which one is lying?
If we are looking for tricks, we don't have to go further.
Uncle Adolf warned us about (((them))).
This isn't funny. My grandmother died in the holocaust when she was only six.
>This isn't funny.
To confirm that you have liars into your family has to be sad.
>>208198>he stopped reading before the end to ree
Congrats, you look retarded.
Video made by VertigoPolitix.>Delousing History about Zyklon-B>Will we ever really know what happened to so many during the internments of WWII after seven decades of revisionism? What do forensics say?
Thank you for this video Anon. Very interesting.
unironically these concentration camps had a better economy than some cities in the west today
this has to be the most luxurious prison camp i have ever seen. Produce ranged From Furniture to technology, and they even get housing with poolside for free.
People sometimes make jokes about summer camps, but this is pretty much what I imagine a holiday resort to look like back in the day.
Here's all the evidence I have that the holocaust actually happened. Pic related.
Look, I'm not an expert on the holocaust, but I don't deny it. I'm not going to deny I could be wrong or that the historical reality is different than modern interpretation. I think the fact that individuals and governments outlaw denying the holocaust is wrongheaded. Fifth grade I remember getting read Anne Frank's diary and I remember being assigned to read Night in 9th grade. From my schooling I have always been told the holocaust was real and I have never been told to question that. I think an unwillingness to counter argue and debate about the subject if you do believe in it is a sign of ignorance or suspicious activity.
However, many people do argue against holocaust denial evidence. I don't see anything particularly impressive here, but not being particularly knowledgeable besides getting told the stuff "I'm supposed to hear" in school I maintain a level of skepticism at all times.
So getting that out of the way I have my own thoughts and a question for you guys.
First, what is the purpose of denying the holocaust if it is real? At what level do you "deny" the holocaust? Is the treatment exaggerated or simply the scale? Was there no murder of Jews, Freemasons, Gypsies, ect? Obviously, if it isn't real at all then the argument is "because I don't want people to believe false history."
Here are some of my thoughts on the subject. First, the Nazis hate jews. Their entire political platform is anti-jew. So why would they have any qualms about killing jews? Why would they do nice things for them like soccer teams or general services if the war is milking Germany for everything she has got? I think the only reasons people deny the holocaust is because it looks bad to normies, it justifies the state of Israel, and it allows jews to pull the oy vey my 6 gorillion card all the time. Take away the holocaust and those things are less problematic. I'd counter argue that I don't need to deny the holocaust to deny jews their "muh 6 million" card trick. People everywhere have been genocided, starved, and even gasses so often in history that most people know or care little about it. Its just like in Syria. The US politicians don't give a fuck about the "poor people being gasses, killed, ect." They do not want to go in to help them. Instead of moral the real motivation is political. If morality was why we need to get involved then there are tons of shitters getting killed for no good reason all over the world. Why don't we go "save" them? Same for Israel why should they get special dibbs because of some shit that happened to them so long ago.
Again I'm not a holocaust expert, but I think the holocaust makes perfect sense in the scope of the German war effort. I used to think that it didn't make sense but then I realized how the German economy was functioning. Manpower needs created shortages in industry. The Germans needed to free up low skill industrial laborers by using Jews, other prisoners, or women for labor. They also had dire food shortages as the war got worse. That is exactly why so many Jews were killed outright (if they can't work they are just a useless mouth to feed) and the ones that could work were just worked on shit rations until they died. Many civilian deaths in German territory happen because the food supply was being tightened up. Why would the Nazis try to feed a bunch of disposable Jewish and other prison laborers if they are struggling to support the regular people of the Reich at all? I acknowledge a hole in my argument then is why gas chambers? Was it cheaper/more efficient than SS forces putting a bullet in their back? I don't know. I still don't think it makes sense the Nazis wouldn't at least have some harsh conditions in store for the Jews. The jews were the cause of so many bad things for Germany. Why would they not be the first to get the shit end of the stick during a total war deciding the fate of Germany?
Below is an excerpt that Himmler gave in a speech to SS officers at Posen in October 1943. It makes me imagine that even if the holocaust didn't happen on the scale told, the Germans still had no qualms about killing jews and other prisoners.
>I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the eradication of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being eradicated,' says every party member.'this is very obvious, it's in our programme, elimination of the Jews, eradication, we're do it, hah, a small matter.' But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.
I've always respected the civility and spirit of honest debate here. I'm not arguing this to get (you)s or stir people up. I acknowledge I'm not an expert on the subject and hope that by pointing out some of my questions and thoughts I can become more informed.
>>216117>First, what is the purpose of denying the holocaust if it is real?
What about you address the evidence and answer yourself. What is the purpose of asserting the hoax was real?
>At what level do you "deny" the holocaust?
What about you? At what level you think the holohoax was real?
Its not a question of concentration camps, those existed undeniably. Nor is there a question of mass deaths and mass graves, except that forensically speaking the cause of death has been largely misreported, and the number massively.
The 6 gorrillion number is laughable when put into context. There are
no mass graves in or around the concentration camp sites, excepting those who died of typhus, a result of the bombing of supply lines. So saying, the allies eliminated the Nazi's ability to maintain the health of their stock (whether they were respected as persons or not, no one can contest that the germans appreciated machines, and even the jews were part of the german machine) which then died outside their ability to maintain them.
'Historical scholars' will point to the ovens, but realistically speaking the war would have had to go on for decades to explain the sheer absence of the extreme masses of dead that would have resulted if the holocaust myth were true. Then lets look at the gas chambers, which are neither suited for gassing masses of people (in whatever incremental groups) nor for protecting those outside of the chambers from being gassed, nor again allowing for any reasonable disposal of the remains. IF the gas chambers WERE operated in a capacity that they were reported to have been, they would have been overrun in a matter of days, unable to maintain the number, inefficiency, and incompetent engineering of their design. Simply put, the gassing of jews could not have occurred as stated historically, even as an improvised measure. Its simply and logistically impossible, even if "the nazis went mad and went on a jew-killing spree".
>>216118>What about you address the evidence and answer yourself. What is the purpose of asserting the hoax was real?
Ok, so I did say that one reason for denying the holocaust would because its an unfair misrepresentation/distortion/lie in history. The same would apply to people arguing for the existence of the holocaust. Like holocaust denial and argument for the existence of the holocaust, there are ulterior motives. I stated possible holocaust denial motives explicitly and pro holocaust motives implicitly but I'll state them for you here because you ask. Regardless of the scale, or existence of the holocaust, someone arguing for its existence often use it to leverage political support for Israel. Fox News and boomers are notorious for this. For example, "Creating the state of Israel was justified because of the holocaust." I personally believe that you don't need to deny the holocaust to deny that Israel or Jews deserve some sort of "special treatment" or "political arrangements" because of the holocaust.
>What about you? At what level you think the holohoax was real?
I believe that somewhere around 6 million jews, and more importantly millions of others were killed by the Nazis through gassing, shootings, starvation, labor camps, and general mistreatment. Russian loss figures for the war account somewhere around 20 million (only 8 million or so being military personnel) and many of those were Russian POWs and civilians under Nazi occupation. The Nazis had been prepared for a limited war and by 1943 found themselves in a total war struggling to survive. Why bat an eye when it comes to killing, exploiting, and using the enemies of your people?>>216123
I can see the validity of the points you are talking about. Here is what I reason as a counter point. We both agree that there are instances of mass graves at least from those who die of disease. It is a war that utterly ruined Germany. However, you argue that the Germans couldn't possibly kill as many people as are claimed in modern estimates or dispose of them. I don't know either. I did some google searches and found sources citing "Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp (1994)" and "Auschwitz: Technique and Operation (1989)." Their argument is that of those killed in the camps, (they cite around 3 million jews as being gassed with the rest being killed through other means) many were burned and not buried. They claim that an individual burned would leave about enough ash to fill a shoe box on average. Ash is easy to dispose of and can be used as fertilizer or thrown into rivers. They do cite Nazi documents that say the cremation process was the slowest part of the process. According to them, the standards for how well bodies were burned and the types of crematoriums used were different than civilian standards familiar today. Ash did not need to be as fine and less time was needed. They cite a patent for Topf and Sons that designed crematoriums that could cremate a body in half an hour and they claim that the Auschwitz crematoriums only needed 3 hours of maintenance a day.
Upon researching Zyklon B, I found out is was an apparently an ideal chemical for gassing because it was in large supply and used for delousing and fumigating. It apparently also can kill people quite quickly. I googled "Auschwitz gas chamber doors" and it appears there is quite a debate. Of the sources specifically dealing with doors neither the pro or anti holocaust sources I found on a quick google search provided specific sources. Pictures like the one you present show doors from Auschwitz. This is a picture from Dachau cited as being taken by T/4 Sidney Blau on April 30, 1945. I do want to note that Dachau is considered a place were few gassing allegedly took place because it was not an "extermination camp". One article quotes a memo from from Dr. Sigmund Rascher at Dachau to Himmler as saying
>As you know, the same facilities [gas chambers] have been built at the Dachau concentration camp as at Linz Hartheim]. Whereas the "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the action. Up till now there have only been animal tests or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these gases.
Pro holocaust arguments claim the door from your image was for washrooms. They also claim that because Auschwitz was abandoned as the front got closer many of the doors were replaced and buildings were repurposed as air raid shelters.
I think the door debate is inconclusive for or against without more meticulous research, but everything I've seen would confirm that the Germans could preform and had the willingness to pull off mass gassing and killings, by starvation, labor, and execution. I appreciate the constructive responses. Like I said, I am no expert on the holocaust and I am under the assumption that it is real. However, to be so convinced that the holocaust is "irrefutable" that you don't do anything to try and back up as a belief is ignorant at best and wickedly deceptive at worst.
>>216204>I personally believe that you don't need to deny the holocaust to deny that Israel or Jews deserve some sort of "special treatment" or "political arrangements" because of the holocaust.
The holohoax didn't happened but it should. Witnessing how these beings jumped to the opportunity to collect reparations for imaginary crimes is outrageous. Not only that, Germany gave these spawns a reason to be proud of: to make a living by their own hands without to leech gentiles. Of course, Jews are not grateful and resent to work, they consider themselves to be superior to the rest of humanity.
And denouncing the lies is about truth and justice for Hitler and his people, not about to make a point to the kikes.
>Like I said, I am no expert on the holocaust and I am under the assumption that it is real.
Fair enough, suit yourself.
Alright, let's do the math then. 1/2 hour to burn a single body. A commonly reported statistic for Auschwitz is "~6000 jews per day".
I assuming this was true (for one, I suggest the Nazis could have been MUCH more efficient if that was their aim), and taking the 1/2 hour/body statistic;>pic related
6 bodies @ 1/2 hour/body = 12 bodies per hour per facility. 3 hours downtime puts the mass capacity at (12 bodies/hour * 21 hours of operation) 252 bodies/day, per facility (shown is a 6-oven configuration).
Link cites the commonly reported 6000/day figure for Auschwitz. Before taking that apart, let's use their own numbers.
6000/day, at 365/year, for 6 years (1940-45). We're using rough statistics for this one, because Auschwitz is said to only have operated from 1944-1945, but let's just play this out.
6000 * 365 * 5 = 13,141,000
Well THAT can't be right,….
So lets look deeper
>Crematorium I operated [at Auschwitz] from August 15, 1940 until July 1943. According to calculations by the German authorities, 340 corpses could be burned every 24 hours after the installation of the three furnaces.
There's an evident variance of per day capacity, but let's run with it.
3 years at 340 people/day = 372,300
>The Crematorium II building, which contained a gas chamber and furnaces for burning corpses. […] According to calculations by the German authorities, 1,440 corpses could be burned in this crematorium every 24 hours. The gas chamber and Crematorium II functioned from March 1943 through November 1944.
Okay, so 21 months at 1,440 people per day we're throwing out the "prisoners say it could do much more" bit
puts Crema 2 at 1440 * 30 * 21 = 907,200.
>The Crematorium III building, which contained a gas chamber and furnaces for burning corpses. […] 1,440 corpses could be burned in this crematorium every 24 hours. According to the testimony of former prisoners, the figure was higher. The gas chamber and Crematorium III functioned from June 1943 through November 1944.
18 (months) * 30 (days) * 1440 (people) = 777,600
>The Crematorium IV (and V) […] 768 corpses (each) could be burned in this crematorium every 24 hours. March 1943 until October 7, 1944 (crema IV) and April 1943 until January 1945 (crema V)
So between the two, we have 1536/day, both operational for about 20 months (IV) and 22 months (V)
So for IV we have 768 * 30 * 20 = 460,800
And for V we have 768 * 30 * 22 = 506,880
Admitting these are extremely rough statistics:
I - 372,300
II - 907,200
III - 777,600
IV - 460,800
V - 506,880
Total - 3,024,780 Oy vey!
Here's an interesting resource you might like to see pertaining to myths and facts about WWII. I haven't read it in full, I was looking for statistics specific to gassings, but it presents a much more reasonable analysis of the situation.http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml>Each year for decades, tens of thousands of visitors to Auschwitz have been shown an execution "gas chamber" in the main camp, supposedly in its "original state." In January 1995 the prestigious French weekly magazine L'Express acknowledged that "everything" about this "gas chamber" is "false," and that it is in fact a deceitful postwar reconstruction. 
I'm going to have to come back to this, its taken me an hour to compile and arrange all this. In the meantime, please note that crema 1 has 6 ovens, and crema 2 has 15. That will be important later. Also, if you or someone who speaks german could kindly pull up a map and point to the locations of crema 1-5, I would appreciate it.
[to be continued,…]
Don't modern high-tech computer-aided ovens take like 5 hours to completely burn away a human corpse?
Please don't ruin this for me,….But per wikipedia: the process may be as fast as one hour per 50 kg (100 lb) of body weight (using) oil, natural gas, propane, and, in Hong Kong, coal gas. However, coal and coke were used until the early 1960s.
A modern Electrical Cremator is said to take "from 60 to no more than 90 minutes"
I fucking love math based proofs. They can't refute it unless they want to look like absolute retards.
Well, then, goy, what about all those mass graves and unreported burials?rubs hands nervously
Guys, just so I get it because I'm slow at the uptake sometimes, this is not denying the extermination happened, right, only that the numbers and reporting of this terrible event are falsely reported.
To me, it seems a bit out there to say the least when I read people denying the whole mass slaughter of hundreds and thousands of political and war prisoners (Not inferring someone on this page is guilty of this). By the evidence I've read it is clear that there's a thick layer of propaganda clouding the truth, such as the numbers or why it happened or initial stances on such an extreme measure or the fact that most Germans had nothing to do with it and it is used today by grievance vultures pushing their agendas.
I'm only out for the truth in this matter and even if I would bring up the Holocaust to explain to those in the dark about the facts of what did happen I think it is dangerous, counterproductive, and vile to minimize and/or deny the event in its entirety.
My nationality might be speaking for me on this subject, I'm a Swede after all and the disease known as cucked runs deep within us all and Jews do have a strong grip on how specific events are taught and discussed in general society (A few months ago there were billboards throughout our capitol featuring only Jews speaking about the Holocaust). To step out of line is nigh unthinkable.
Please, be gentle.
>>216470>this is not denying the extermination happened
To begin with, who told you so? The Jews and their golems, right?
This lie was broadcasted over and over again by the judenpresse in America and Britain from at least 1910 blaming the Russian Tzar.
Also, take in count the level of brainwashing you have, when you repeat an oxymoron without your brain engaging in a logical process to defuse it.
In other words, the primordial fact that war is about to kill and conquer the adversary is forgotten and erased from the the brain, and only the program telling you that Germans are Bad is allowed to run.
I was going to try and summarize this but I figured I'll just post the quote from the pro holocaust site so I don't strengthen or weaken their argument by omitting or adding anything by interpretation error. Sorry if its a wall of text.
>The discrepancy between the IHR's estimates and the actual time (more like 30 minutes) is chiefly due to the fact that the IHR is confusing military-industrial crematoria with everyday civilian crematoria.
>When they say "professional crematory operators," they mean people like Lagace, whose job is to cremate one corpse at a time, with a coffin, in an oven designed to incinerate even the largest bones into a fine ash for the next of kin to take home. This situation is obviously not comparable to the situation at Auschwitz-Birkenau during the Second World War.
>For example, Lagace would never even consider mixing or "comingling" the ashes of one deceased person with those of another. Lagace and the IHR forget that two or three emaciated corpses could be inserted into each "muffle." This would, of course, never be done in a civilian, commercial establishment.
>Also, the Auschwitz furnaces were designed to run continuously, using the heat energy produced by the burning of previous bodies to keep the oven hot for the next bodies. After they were fired with coke to their proper operating temperature at the beginning of the day, they required little or no extra fuel to operate. This was a technical achievement that is well-documented (see Gutman et al., Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, 1994, pp. 185-187ff). Lagace claims that there must be a "cooling off" period between each body incinerated, which shows a profound ignorance on his part as to how the ovens worked. Lagace claims that continuous operation would have caused the Auschwitz ovens to break down, but again, he simply does not understand the difference between everyday civilian crematoria and military-industrial crematoria.
>Also, typically, a commercial crematory operator will burn a corpse for an extended period to remove all traces of carbonized flesh, i.e., to whiten the bones. Even so, such processes only extend the total cremation time to between two and four hours, and not the six to eight hours that Lagace claimed. Lagace forgets that such cosmetic concerns were not of importance to the Nazis.
>Those errors aside, there is still simply no question about the burning times of the ovens. In 1939, the firm of Topf and Sons was awarded a contract to build a Dachau furnace which had an estimated capacity of one corpse per hour per muffle (times two muffles). By increasing the air pressure, by July 1940 they had produced a furnace that could burn just under two corpses per hour per muffle (again, times two muffles). It required three hours of maintenance per day, a far cry from the twelve hours per day claimed by the IHR. (See Gutman et al., op. cit., pp. 185-186, 189-190.)
>The crematoriums that were eventually installed at Auschwitz-Birkenau were massive. They were capable of disposing of several bodies per muffle in half an hour or so, and they could run for days at a time without maintenance. (There were difficulties eventually, however, and several of the ovens were out of service for months at a time.) Topf and Sons was awarded a patent in 1951, and the patent also states that a single muffle can cremate a corpse in half an hour.
Okay. For the time being I'll accept that explanation for increased oven capacity. The numbers we previously arrived at closely enough approximate the (((commonly reported))) numbers of "~3.5 mil were gassed and another .5 mil died of disease, meaning ~4 mil died at Auschwitz.
I'm gonna post this again, and give you an opportunity to read it, again. http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml
Its much less tedious to post it again than to quote the entire article, but I will if I have to. as well as the corroborating documents and citations.
the holohoax about soap is one of the most easily debunkable
how could the nazis make soap without glicerin?
glicerin must be obtained from human fat
concentrantion camp skinny prisoners don`t have fat
Holohoaxer revealed>German historian Marie Sophie Hingst, famous for her blog about family members who perished in the Holocaust, has been caught in a lie. The revelation also put the media, which published her other ‘personal stories’, in a bind.>Hingst, who lives in Dublin, rose to prominence because of her stories about her alleged Jewish ancestors, who tragically died in the times of the Holocaust. These were published on her blog ‘Read on my dear, read on’ (now offline), which she started back in 2013 in Dublin. The blog featured accounts of her grandfather in particular, who she said was killed in the Nazi death camp Auschwitzhttps://www.rt.com/news/460904-german-blogger-award-holocaust-hoax/
I'd guess both. It might be heroic Yugoslavian soldiers trying to save the lives of cowering civilians, which is even more entertaining.
"Six million" is a figure with strong numerological connotations in Jewish culture long predating the Second World War, or the First.
Also, isn't it funny how the Red Cross initially estimated fewer than one hundred thousand deaths in labor camps in Germany, this figure including all Jews, Gypsies, Reds, and so on, who were incarcerated in them? And isn't it funny how every single claim the Soviets made of "extermination camps" was immediately debunked by American inspectors when they were allowed to inspect the camp, until Stalin stopped allowing US inspectors to inspect the claimed "extermination camps" in the Soviet Zone of Occupation? Isn't that a funny coincidence?
We know that there are mass graves all over the place all over Eastern Europe, from the Elbe to Moscow. Every one inspected by other than Russians turns out to be evidence of yet another Soviet mass murder, especially in Ukraine, where the Reds killed upwards of fifteen million white Christian people just before the war. Stalin, his toadies, and his lickspittle Western admirers were and still are absolutely shameless. They even claimed the Polish prisoners they buried in mass graves in Katyn Forest had been killed by Germans. Even Wikipedia admits the Polish prisoners buried there were killed by the NKVD on Stalin's orders.
It's astonishing how many civnats and cuckservatives still believe century-old British and Russian wartime agitprop in which they accused the perfidious Huns of eating babies.
Source: my jewish friend
Amazingly the (((Red Cross))) reports stated only
72,000 kike deaths. All stated deaths are due to typhus & starvation directly related to amerimutt & britcuck bombing of train lines.
Don't forget about the communist partisans. who were overwhelmingly Jewish.
You know what else is amazing? During the war, the Germans knew beforehand which of the labor camps would be within the Soviet Zone of Occupation and which would be in the Western Zone of Occupation, and which ones in the Soviet Zone that American investigators would be allowed to see, while the war was still going on. Otherwise I can think of no rational explanation that can tell us why all the labor camps in the Soviet Zone that Stalin didn't allow US inspectors to see were "death camps," but no others were.
And this is even more amazing. Just before the war, when the NKVD (75%+ Jews) killed fifteen million or more white Christian folk in Ukraine, with the enthusiastic assistance and collaboration of local Jews who eagerly informed against their neighbors, those same collaborators were shocked, SHOCKED, that when the Germans lifted the Soviet yoke off the Ukrainian people's necks, the Ukrainians wanted to avenge their murdered kin. Isn't that amazing? Similar scenes played out in the Baltic States and the Soviet-occupied eastern third of Poland, which had suffered similarly at the hands of the NKVD and local Jew collaborators. The anger of the local people was simply inexplicable, and no one could have anticipated or predicted it, am I right?
And lynching hundreds of local collaborators and informers who had innocent blood on their hands was, of course, an evil act without precedent in all of human history, because it was done to people whose relatives owned American banks, stock brokerage houses, radio stations, newspapers, and motion picture production companies. And they would never lie or exaggerate, or use their control of the media to produce propaganda, right?
That is irrefutable proof of the hoax.
i remember hearing that the Ukrainian members of the SS were the most brutal. so Brutal in fact that the Germans told them to tone it the fuck down.
There has been so much agitprop and so much melodramatic exaggeration and deliberate deception associated with the war--even the show trials of German officers and officials after the war, as Stalin demanded, were a form of agitprop--that it is difficult to make such distinctions with clarity or certainty.
The Wikipedia article on one Oscar Dirlewanger, an alcoholic, sexual deviant, and embezzler who had the rare distinction of getting kicked out of the Nazi Party before the war for his misbehavior, is certainly colorful. Apparently during the war he joined the SS, when things were desperate enough that they could not afford to be choosy, and rose rapidly through the ranks, eventually to command a brigade, SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger, and even, very briefly, a division. There are claims, supposedly documented, that during his service he was reprimanded several times and arrested by the Gestapo more than once for his great love of torture and mass murder, and his apparent obsession with raping Jewish women in the labor camps, which the Gestapo regarded as very much a no-no ("Blutschande," roughly translated as "miscegenation" or "blood corruption"). He apparently surrounded himself with similar men, even recruiting violent criminals from prisons, political prisoners and the criminally insane from concentration camps, and they raped, robbed, murdered, and looted their way all across Eastern Europe and back before the war ended and brought their jolly little party to an end. Dirlewanger himself is said to have been lynched by his captors after surrendering.
Everything about the article, actually, seems rather over-the-top and too perfectly on-the-nose.
One thing that does seem to come through is that the aristocrats in the German officer corps despised him, perhaps more for being of common birth, and for commanding troops recruited from German prisons, than for the activities of men under his command. Also, just look at him. He certainly looks the part of a silent film villain.
Whoops, didn't mean to sage. You are dead correct on both accounts. Fun fact: the largest German labor camps featured less than 100 executions at pessimistic numbers, either for direct treason or espionage. Soviet death camps were purely bolshevik owned, just like the hint hint
slave ships were. Gee, gotta wonder why that is. For some further explanation on how this became the Snowball Effect: it wasn't until the Torch Men Command became widely known that bolsheviks instigated both the Dustbowl (through subversively designed mechanized farming & land overuse/soil depletion) and the Great Depression via tilted stock market collapse. This lead to the near-total enslavemarent of U.S. farmers and small companies. How? Being forced to "sell" their land at >95% losses to mega-corporations. This fed directly into the Raw Deal under that half-kike piece of totally useless shit and his friends the Rothschilds, Warburgs, Soros, of whom they owned most of those mega-corporations. Back that up with central banking being "unable to give loans" with the the vastly expanded Petro-Shekel War Economy, add in jewwood propaganda, and you've created an essentially willing slave 'class' of humans. Cognitive fucking dissonance on "both" sides.>>241592
Incorrect. Basic, casual observation and recounting the facts of S.S. policies, training, experience, etc. showed the S.S. to be elite shock tactics troopers whom were held to the highest possible standards expected by German-Austria honors. If one stepped out of line, say with a wrongful execution, they would be executed on the spot. Of particular note is that S.S. units were never comprised of persons from one single region, they were in mixed commands and rotated frequently based on merit. There are no outstanding divergences in any known S.S. units aside from service lengths and equipmarent issued.
Seems A bit Cartoonish tbh.>>241606
Ah alright, I Got that information from 4cuck.
Indeed, hence why I've spread it as much as possible and reccomarend you do the same. The same man whom compiled those original papers stated there are at least
500 papers with the 6 gorillion lie across the world pre-1939, around 800 from 1939-1945, and at minimum 8,000 since then. Repeat bullshit long enough and sheep will bleat it unflinchingly as if it were truth.>>241607
Beyond cartoonish, it's flat out Saturn's Day villain-of-the-week pigshit. Consider everything you find off 4cuck, even from pre-2016 /pol/ and /k/, with a few bags of salt in hand. Given the number of paid & unpaid shills, glowniggers, or invading plebbit shitstains, the chance of running across factual information is dismally low. That being stated, dig into the S.S. a bit and you will find they were among the most strict of military forces during World War Jew-2. They were expected to uphold not just
the country, they were to uphold the noblest ideas possible at a time when half the entire world was being organized, by bolshevik kikes no less, against them.
I've looked into them before. They were the most disciple and well trained fighting force that has ever existed.
Even if you prove that at least six million jews were killed by any means, this is just normal, WW2 body count is 80 million, 30 to 40ish million civilians, if it's 6 million jews who died, it's nothing!
dozens of millions of Brits, French and more died ,Millions and millions of German civilians too. Let's bury the holohoax with this argument.
you should youtube-dl that video
the command for getting the best of the second video is "youtube-dl -f 22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=763anDaYF1U
" without quotations, and for the first is the same but with the url of the first video
I might be misinterpreting >>241606
, but if he is saying that the Waffen SS was only elite units then he is misinformed.
The Ukrainians in the Waffen SS weren't great but they weren't terrible either. They made up the bulk of recruits for the 14th SS Volunteer Division "Galacia" as well as a few MP units. There wasn't that many to begin with because the German leadership treated them like shit. Here is what Himmler had to say about the Ukrainian SS men (quoted from German Defeat in the East:1944-45), >Ukrainians are soft inside and fickle, and they lack much in comparison to fighting German soldiers>>241606>>241608
The Waffen SS is better described as a "mixed bag" depending on the time during the war and which unit you are talking about. Of course units like the 1st SS Leibstandarte Division were the cream of the crop, but the Waffen SS had to compete with the regular Heer for resources and manpower. It isn't realistic to think there weren't compromises made for the quality and training of Waffen SS units as Germany began to lose the war.
This is a point potentially useful, if applied correctly, with the correct nuance:
"Yes, we believe your account of six million dead in the Shoah, this despite the fact that all the camps examined by American investigators in the time leading up to the war crimes tribunals at Nuremburg were found to be labor camps for criminals and enemies of the state only, and 'extermination camps' existed only in Soviet claims, in camps in Soviet-occupied territory they allowed no one else to examine. But yes, we believe you. We also believe that Kemal Ataturk and the Young Turks killed four and a half white Christian Armenians, people just like us, fifteen years before the war--and no one cared. Certainly no one in power in any Western nation saw fit to speak seriously about waging a holy war against the Turks to avenge the Armenians, who ended up having to take refuge in the USSR because no one else would even take them in. Less than a decade before the war, between ten and thirty million white Christian Ukrainians, up to half the population, were executed on Stalin's orders by the NKVD--which, by the way, was over 75% Jews. This was documented well in the West. No one even cared enough to impose a trade embargo on the USSR to signal their disapproval, much less wage war against Bolshevism halfway around the planet. In China between 1958 and 1976, the Communist dictatorship of Mao T'se-Tung--installed by and still praised enthusiastically by American Jews--systematically murdered one sixth of the population, over a hundred million people, in the bloody purges of the 'Great Leap Forward' and the 'Cultural Revolution.' Who seriously proposed declaring war on China and starting World War III to stop them? Between 1845 and 1849, the English deliberately starved to death a million British subjects in Ireland. No one proposed waging war against the British Empire to stop it. Over the course of the 18th and 19th Centuries European and US troops waged war against the native Indian tribes, killing perhaps as many as half a million across the continent in two hundred years of continuous warfare, all but annihilating them. No one cared, then or now. How is it, then, that you claim a special status for the Jews, such that any insult or injury done you anywhere in the world must be answered with a pitiless war of extermination, in which all the white nations of the world must pour out rivers of blood and treasure, in a merciless war of 'unconditional surrender,' a war not for our benefit but for yours, until you are satisfied? How can it be that we owe you this? How do you make such a bizarre claim with a straight face? Are you serious, man?"
Addendum #1: the total losses of both South American and North American native peoples is highly contested due to religious-controlled politics. The losses in South America are at minimal estimate at least 4,000,000 while the losses in North America range between 3,000,000 and 5,000,000. Both of these were caused by the judeo-catholic ideological foundation of "Manifest Destiny", a religious doctrine which boils down to: 'might makes right, whomever conquers another for the (((church))) shall be judged as rightful in their conflict', which was the direct precursor to both judeo-capitalism and judeo-communism ideologies written down later on.
Addendum #2: in the midst of MULTIPLE consecutive Famines from 1772 until 1897, from 3.9 to 4.4 million Irish were starved, executed, tortured to death, beaten to death, raped to death, imprisoned/worked to death, sold to kikes only to become slaves, or simply listed as "KIA/MIA". Ireland's population was once close to 8 million, however that number has not recovered since. Of particular note during this period is that all food produced in Ireland was seized and sent elsewhere, around 300,000 to 600,000 tons worth per year, while the cuckqueen refused all foreign aid shipments greater than the pathetic amount of less than 10,000 tons she 'diverged to Ireland'. The same exact treatment occurred in numerous regions before and after through Europe. Few if any records of this incidents were made or survive to present day.
Addendum #3: under the orders of judeo-bolshevik 'capitalists' in britcuckland using Winston Cuckshill as their vehicle, an absolute minimum of 4.1 million Bengalese were starved to death in WW2. An unknown number were sold as slaves during this period. This same exact event occurred in Ukraine at the same exact time.
Addendum #4: during the latter portion of WW2 the Philippine islands were subjected to judeo-bolshevik styled US military rule. Mass food shortages, starvation, public beatings, public rape, public executions, etc. etc. etc. were imposed upon a populace that did not want to suffer the fiat taxation of a bolshevik owned central bank. Much the same occurred to Japan while the Chinese were hailed as "patriots and heroes defending themselves from unwarranted aggressions". The Philippines have still not recovered.
Addendum #5: the "EurAsian Civil Wars", "Asian Civil Wars", "South American Civil Wars", and "African Civil Wars" throughout the early 1950's until the current year feature all the above save for one change: interference by the illegal, unlawful, unrecognized (((United Nations))) which was formed by the World Jewish Coalition. That body has imposed equally illegal & unlawful rules, regulations, laws, trade embargoes, and frequent denials of foreign aid.
This is fantastic, i an't stop watching it.
>>247092>Yes, us Swedes have the moral right and justification to survive and the acts of others should not be considered in this pursuit.
I agree completely.
I'm attempting to read through everything in this thread, go through the factual claims, trying to discern what's claims and fact. It is difficult and some claims are read as baseless by me or irrelevant.
I'm fascinated by the discussion regarding how violent, sadistic, and characters of questionable moral fibre was considered. Just as I am interested in knowing how much genocidal intent there really was, and why such acts occurred if the military structure and authority were against wanton violence and strived to behave civilized.
If the Germans never intended an outright genocide, then why did it happen?
If the Germans were against the brutal and uncivilized treatment of prisoners then why did it happen?
If the Germans did intend to genocide the Jews, why did it happen?
How much guilt does the German have regarding the death of prisoners?
How much guilt can be put on the Allies?
It is close to impossible for me to sort the information and process it. Part of this is because I do not know where to find information that lacks political and identitarian considerations that the author/researcher allowed to affect their work. An example of this would be the works of Jared Diamond that are tinted by his anti-Western and anti-White sentiment, especially in 𝘎𝘶𝘯𝘴, 𝘎𝘦𝘳𝘮𝘴, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘚𝘵𝘦𝘦𝘭 where he argues Whites were lucky due to geography and largely discounts European intellectual efforts to strengthen his argument of muh magic soil.
I won't be able to post today it seems and I will have a hard time to really engage in this discussion. We will see though. I should be able post my own input tomorrow. My expertise is not in the holocaust so I might not be able to provide as in depth explaination as others who our better. Those exist since they actually have read books I haven't about the subject. But I will do what I can.
This is due to my approach to argumentation as I avoid basing my arguments on sources that are not common or shared by everyone. For example, historical, statistical, and scientific arguments are things I avoid using. It is nice knowing them but I don't use them. This is because people who don't know this knowledge can just dismiss them. Like the holocaust, for example, I am not afraid to say that I don't believe in it but I don't dvelve deeper into it than that. It is kinda distracting from the question at hand which is usually about our current situation.
I try to convince people through common sense and in extension logic so that everyone who hears
about it cannot deny it. Like a person can dismiss something because it comes from a certain place as a lie without even checking but, unless they are dishonest, they cannot rationalize a contradiction. Like, "If these immigrants are such a blessing, why are all the areas which they rule over turned to shit?", "If homosexuals are oppressed, we do they occupy every town in the entirety of Sweden each year?", and "Why is it that every western country has problems with black populations in their countries?" Of course some of these require a bit of knowledge regarding what people know. But I think most people know these days what damage the immigrants cause.
Anyway, I'll get back to you. Clearly, if I can write this much spontanously, I can write you a proper response. Just don't expect an awesome explaination for my standpoint since this is not my area of expertise. So I am sorry if I can't provide you with the knowledge or proof you are looking for but that is for the future to decide.
Redpill memes are all fine and good, but if you're looking for evidence - and if you're giving this a fair hearing you ought - then I'll re-emphasize the hdot.org link here >>218620
and the holocaust reprogramming course here >>222679
are two of your best bets.
The Holohoax is one of those things I disbelieve but do not start arguments over unless to provoke. There are a handy facts that put doubt into the official narrative; while I accept some Jews were killed (mainly because of subversive or criminal activities like sabotage in Slovakia, or because of some Hilfswilige who held a grudge) there's no reason to believe that the great bulk were treated any worse than Japanese-Americans were during the War. There's simply no real motive behind it: Jews by their own admission were a necessary labor component in industry-starved Germany and mass murder, especially in regards to claims that it had started while the Germans were still winning, doesn't make any sense. The Red Cross found no evidence of such things happening in Auschwitz of all places and according to official documents it seems that concentration camps were a temporary measure to prevent sabotage by Jewish operatives or pogroms/second Kristellnacht against Jewish communities.
Of course we've all seen the pictures of walking skeletons but that is a horror of war. The exact same thing happened in POW camps during the American Civil War because a complete collapse in supply lines led to severe shortages, and given the necessary choice you must feed the guards first.
However, I withhold former judgement until I actually peruse all important sources from both sides. Given that I'm not a historian and this is a monumental undertaking, that's not happening for many years. I don't consider it significant because 1) it's a very poor way to redpill people because of inherent sensitivity and the permanent tarnish being labeled a "denier" is, 2) it's easier to downplay its significance by pointing out equally bad or worse atrocities by the Soviets, Japanese, and even Western allies that have gone unpunished, and 3) the only people you can realistically discuss it with in a non-anonymous setting are already red-pilled or very
open-minded. Also, I don't consider myself a NatSoc and have other moral objections including economic policy, the anti-traditional nature of Lebensborn and Aktion T4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
). Ironically, things like Aktion T4 get (((ignored))) because they reduce the share of victimhood for Jews (just as how it's claimed six million Jews died out of 13.5 total victims, just so they're in the majority and get automatic consideration as the primary victims).
>>247121>and the permanent tarnish being labeled a "denier"
I prefer "debunker".
Thanks for your effort. >>247121
About what I do, I do not deny any of it in a general situation because the topic is very sensitive. Where I've found at least one open-minded I may if the topic is brought up naturally discuss the event and mention that the official figure is not supported by evidence. Another way I treat this historic event is to put it in a context or compare it to other atrocities; denying it outright is to label yourself as an undesirable. In this day and age, there are things you simply don't do. It doesn't benefit the wish to discuss the topic in a critical manner either. A stance that seems to nettle a few on the forum enough to treat me with condescension.
Never heard about Aktion T4 until now. Just reading about it gives me the chill. I can understand euthanasia for people who are terminally ill and suffering severely, but not for those with certain mental illnesses that can be cared for in institutions. This part of the population is vanishingly small and caring for them is hardly a bigger toll on the system than the criminal population with no such ailments.
I appreciate your position, and when people are presented with the idea that the Holocaust is a lie, their first reaction is to indicate that people did
die. There's no refuting that, the issue is painting the Nazis as deliberate and methodical exterminators who's sole intention was to kill as many of the Jews as possible. This myth persists to present day, and is used as the staple excuse to denounce any nationalist or white initiative worldwide. As though anyone who would have any racial pride - something that is encouraged in all races except
white - is out to murder another 6 gorrillion.
I found it
THE FUCKING VIDEO, I FOUND IT
I FOUND THE FUCKING VIDEO
I found the video, my guy!
wait clicked the wrong posthttps://www.bitchute.com/video/hmaoL2d88csM/
but this is the right video
Prepare for some reading material.https://carolynyeager.net/search-wwii-mass-graveshttps://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/the-story-of-viktor-frankl-a-famous-holocaust-survivor/
The jews have flaunted their impossible "millions of survivors", even going to so far as to publish their own numbers:https://isurvived.org/TOC-III.htmlhttps://www.holocausthandbooks.com/dl/26-tgv.pdf
#1: Other Losses: An Investigation into the Mass Deaths of German Prisoners at the Hands of the French and Americans After World War II
#2: Gruesome Harvest
#3: GERMANY’S WAR: The Origins, Aftermath & Atrocities of World War II
#4: The Assassination of James Forrestal
#5: Prolonging the Agony: How The Anglo-American Establishment Deliberately Extended WWI by Three-and-a-Half Years
#6: Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution: The Remarkable True Story of the American Capitalists Who Financed the Russian Communists
#7: Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel
#8: 200 Years Together by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn. Not fully translated yet:https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/06/13/kevin-macdonald-translation-of-solzhenitsyns-in-the-camps-of-gulag-chapter-20-of-200-years-together/
HAVE YOU SEEN THE FUCKING VIDEO YET?
Who could resist cunty insistence like that?
Christ, I need to stop saying cunty.
Sorry about being a cunt.
This is quite some information to go through. Thanks for all the information, I will try to discern what's an academic attempt to prove a claim apart from political and personal inclinations.
>>247809>academic attempt to prove a claim
Academic irrefutable evidence of a colossal fraud.>political and personal inclinations
Thirst for justice and truth.
Can someone post the equation with the ovens, and burntime?
I have them some where in my image gallery, but it should be somewhat near the beginning of the thread.
5 Rigbux says that if it is a mass grave >im-fucking-plying
then it was yet another made by the Soviet menace.
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>>250986>mass grave fits in a 4.5 by 3.4 meter area
Truly proof of the renowned Nazi efficiency.