A second attempt at passing a Republican replacement for Obamacare has now failed, with enough Senators openly opposing the Better Care in order to block it. This occurs after the House of Representatives tried - and failed - to muster enough votes to pass the American Healthcare Act earlier this year. Both bills were incredibly unpopular; even more so than Obamacare. With this, it is questionable if the Republicans will be able to replace Obamacare.
http://www.businessinsider.com/senate-healthcare-bill-mike-lee-moran-vote-when-2017-7
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/17/senate-bill-dies-president-trump-mitch-mcconnell-call-clean-repeal-obamacare-now-replacement-later/
So I ask: what exactly can or should be done to replace Obamacare and fix the American Healthcare system? And what did the previous attempts do wrong?
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>>50753
What America should not do is look at the rest of the world and pick the most functional system out there. Instead they should stay scared of anything that remotely looks like communism, and instead favour pharmacological capitalism, where more money can be made by continuous treatments rather than cures. :)
What America should not do is look at the rest of the world and pick the most functional system out there. Instead they should stay scared of anything that remotely looks like communism, and instead favour pharmacological capitalism, where more money can be made by continuous treatments rather than cures. :)
I was about to make a healthcare thread with that exact image... It's quite complicated.
I had very low expectations, but I'm still exasperated that after 7 years of energetic criticism, none of those shitty neo-cons even tried to take the initiative to write a suitable replacement. Now they control all three branches of government, and they've hardly done anything. Those faggots are all bark and no bite.
I had very low expectations, but I'm still exasperated that after 7 years of energetic criticism, none of those shitty neo-cons even tried to take the initiative to write a suitable replacement. Now they control all three branches of government, and they've hardly done anything. Those faggots are all bark and no bite.
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>>50753
how can this vote fail twice in a row? last i remember trumps party won the majority of seats.
how can this vote fail twice in a row? last i remember trumps party won the majority of seats.
>>50818
The bill was incredibly shitty, desu. It would've hurt a lot of Republican constituents who relied on Medicare/Medicaid. There was no comprehensive reform: all they did was gut obongocare to give out a taxcut.
Fucking Republicucks could lose the midterms over this wet fart of a bill. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place because if they fail to pass something, they'll look like useless cucks.
The bill was incredibly shitty, desu. It would've hurt a lot of Republican constituents who relied on Medicare/Medicaid. There was no comprehensive reform: all they did was gut obongocare to give out a taxcut.
Fucking Republicucks could lose the midterms over this wet fart of a bill. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place because if they fail to pass something, they'll look like useless cucks.
>>50818
In the Senate, it takes 60 votes out of 100 to end discussion and send the bill to a vote. With the Democrats holding 48 seats, they can block any Republican bill, although Republicans possess the power to change the rules to require only a simple majority vote, if they have enough will power. However, the problem is that these bills are extremely unpopular among the Anerican public. Strong conservatives do not like the bills because they do not remove many of regulations put in place by Obamacare. Moderate Republicans and anyone left of center do not like the bills because they eliminate the Medicare expansion of Obamacare, effectively vastly reducing a government welfare program. The first bill was attempted in the House where only a simple majority is required, yet it failed because enough of the strong conservatives opposed the bill
In the Senate, it takes 60 votes out of 100 to end discussion and send the bill to a vote. With the Democrats holding 48 seats, they can block any Republican bill, although Republicans possess the power to change the rules to require only a simple majority vote, if they have enough will power. However, the problem is that these bills are extremely unpopular among the Anerican public. Strong conservatives do not like the bills because they do not remove many of regulations put in place by Obamacare. Moderate Republicans and anyone left of center do not like the bills because they eliminate the Medicare expansion of Obamacare, effectively vastly reducing a government welfare program. The first bill was attempted in the House where only a simple majority is required, yet it failed because enough of the strong conservatives opposed the bill
the whole "replace" meme is a trap they should just do a full repeal and focus on driving down inflation
>>50834
>how can this ever be considered bad
It's hard to take an entitlement away from the American people... Whenever Americans get handouts, they just assume that God wanted them to have it, and they don't consider where it comes from. They may not pay attention to the encroaching threat of socialism giving it to them, but they'll definitely know who took it away from them..
>>50840
I think the Republicans want to do that too, but they're afraid of the backlash.
>how can this ever be considered bad
It's hard to take an entitlement away from the American people... Whenever Americans get handouts, they just assume that God wanted them to have it, and they don't consider where it comes from. They may not pay attention to the encroaching threat of socialism giving it to them, but they'll definitely know who took it away from them..
>>50840
I think the Republicans want to do that too, but they're afraid of the backlash.
>>50848
republicans need to man up and stop apologizing for everything they get so wrapped up in PR and the arguments over intention, they should just push forward and let the results speak for themselves. I'd rather they fail than continue to do nothing
republicans need to man up and stop apologizing for everything they get so wrapped up in PR and the arguments over intention, they should just push forward and let the results speak for themselves. I'd rather they fail than continue to do nothing
>>50844
that was the idea in the first place but then the left started going on about "oh if you want to get rid of obamacare you've got to replace it with something" and the republicucks fell for it just like they always fall for the stupid "reach across the ailes" nonsense. Most people shouldn't even need insurance in the first place if you brought down inflation (a lot of which is caused by obamacare) then the average person could afford basic check-ups, emergency room visits, and prescription drugs out of pocket. Insurance should be for major surgury, broken bones, in-patient treatment, and cancer.
that was the idea in the first place but then the left started going on about "oh if you want to get rid of obamacare you've got to replace it with something" and the republicucks fell for it just like they always fall for the stupid "reach across the ailes" nonsense. Most people shouldn't even need insurance in the first place if you brought down inflation (a lot of which is caused by obamacare) then the average person could afford basic check-ups, emergency room visits, and prescription drugs out of pocket. Insurance should be for major surgury, broken bones, in-patient treatment, and cancer.
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Just repeal Obamacare and don't replace it. Not only that, we should cut Medicare and Medicaid eventually. Health care isn't a free market system any more since consumers don't choose services based on price and quality. Now the government or your insurance agency tells you which doctors to go to and which services they will cover. Without competition, prices continue to rise unchecked.
I hate the "muh people dying in the streets" argument. Show me someone dying in the street and I'll personally help them out however I can. I imagine most people feel this way. However, the amount of government spending on health programs is far more than is necessary. If we returned to a free market based healthcare system, then prices would fall and quality would rise. It would be far easier to have access to basic care, and health insurance would be more affordable for everyone.
I hate how the government always screws something up, then tells you that they need more power and more control in order to fix it. I don't trust most of the politicians and bureaucrats in office now so I don't want them to have a single iota of more power over the economy or my life.
I hate the "muh people dying in the streets" argument. Show me someone dying in the street and I'll personally help them out however I can. I imagine most people feel this way. However, the amount of government spending on health programs is far more than is necessary. If we returned to a free market based healthcare system, then prices would fall and quality would rise. It would be far easier to have access to basic care, and health insurance would be more affordable for everyone.
I hate how the government always screws something up, then tells you that they need more power and more control in order to fix it. I don't trust most of the politicians and bureaucrats in office now so I don't want them to have a single iota of more power over the economy or my life.
>>50852
dependency is always wrong, we need to promote self-reliance. If someone ends up dying on the streets that's probably their fault and I don't see why my taxes should be raised to subsidize such people. If anything a VOLUNTARY charity should be started to care for such people. Gorvenment is at it's core a means of mitigating external threats they should protect the country and enforce the law, but they shouldn't actually be tasked with caring for the health and safety of the people that should be left up to the people and local communities themselves
dependency is always wrong, we need to promote self-reliance. If someone ends up dying on the streets that's probably their fault and I don't see why my taxes should be raised to subsidize such people. If anything a VOLUNTARY charity should be started to care for such people. Gorvenment is at it's core a means of mitigating external threats they should protect the country and enforce the law, but they shouldn't actually be tasked with caring for the health and safety of the people that should be left up to the people and local communities themselves
if people are going to die let them die if someone has a problem with that they should donate their own money to fix it, what gives anyone the right to draw from my income and property to subsidize other peoples problems?
>>50855
So much this. private, voluntary charity is much better than theft on a societal scale. The federal government was never meant to be anyone's nanny and it does a very poor job of it.
So much this. private, voluntary charity is much better than theft on a societal scale. The federal government was never meant to be anyone's nanny and it does a very poor job of it.
>>50857
this is why we need people like trump who have no filter in government. The republicans are too scared of backlash to get anything done but they'll get more backlash from their actual constituents for doing nothing, they shouldn't care what the news and leftists think of them.
this is why we need people like trump who have no filter in government. The republicans are too scared of backlash to get anything done but they'll get more backlash from their actual constituents for doing nothing, they shouldn't care what the news and leftists think of them.
>>50859
The problem is, many of the top Republicans are funded by the same donors as the Democrats. It's been said that it doesn't matter if you elect a dem or repub, but that it's only a matter of how rapidly the same globalist agenda will be implemented. Screw the Republicans, I could care less if the party disintegrated. Maybe we could build a new party which is actually right wing instead of this center left bullcrap which the Republicans always do. Trump is the only Republican I trust atm, maybe Cruz too but Trump is the only one who's effectively fighting back. We need more people who are unapologetically right wing.
The problem is, many of the top Republicans are funded by the same donors as the Democrats. It's been said that it doesn't matter if you elect a dem or repub, but that it's only a matter of how rapidly the same globalist agenda will be implemented. Screw the Republicans, I could care less if the party disintegrated. Maybe we could build a new party which is actually right wing instead of this center left bullcrap which the Republicans always do. Trump is the only Republican I trust atm, maybe Cruz too but Trump is the only one who's effectively fighting back. We need more people who are unapologetically right wing.
>>50861
an easy problem if we could actually get a solution to it, we just need term limits and voter ID laws. Ending gerrymandering would also help once all that is down we merely need to prevent a "progressive party" from forming while we establish a new "nationalist party" of sorts if we could shift the two party system to right vs. far right it'll improve things a lot. While it's true that a lot of people in this country are "progressives" most of them live in NYC and San Francisco so despite their numbers their voting power is fairly limited
an easy problem if we could actually get a solution to it, we just need term limits and voter ID laws. Ending gerrymandering would also help once all that is down we merely need to prevent a "progressive party" from forming while we establish a new "nationalist party" of sorts if we could shift the two party system to right vs. far right it'll improve things a lot. While it's true that a lot of people in this country are "progressives" most of them live in NYC and San Francisco so despite their numbers their voting power is fairly limited
>>50818
You know that Ben Garrison picture where the republicans and democrats are the right and left legs of the ZoG machine?
It's true. A lot of Republicans are essentially democrats. They'll pay lip service to what conservatives want, and will vote for conservative values when they KNOW that they'll lose, but they'll turn coat or find excuses to not vote when they have an opportunity to do what their constituents want.
They're the Swamp. They need to be drained out of Washington or hung from lamp posts.
You know that Ben Garrison picture where the republicans and democrats are the right and left legs of the ZoG machine?
It's true. A lot of Republicans are essentially democrats. They'll pay lip service to what conservatives want, and will vote for conservative values when they KNOW that they'll lose, but they'll turn coat or find excuses to not vote when they have an opportunity to do what their constituents want.
They're the Swamp. They need to be drained out of Washington or hung from lamp posts.
So, ideals aside, does anybody have any predictions about what Congress will do from now on? They still haven't accomplished anything.
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>>51323
is the partisanship that common the democrat congress? i find that rather disgusting. You might as well dissolve the congress at that point if these salty fucks keep failing the elected government
is the partisanship that common the democrat congress? i find that rather disgusting. You might as well dissolve the congress at that point if these salty fucks keep failing the elected government
>>51325
A lot of them are more hostile to Trump than the dems. If they see an opportunity to obstruct Trump, they'll take it.
>>51326
The members of congress are the elected government, or at least part of it.
Unfortunately most Americans completely ignore congress and the senate. (((They've))) gotten very good at keeping Americans fat and stupid. Most can't even name their state's representatives. Many don't even bother voting for their state representatives, and those that do have a habit of voting for the guy currently in the position because of a naive assumption that surely he must've done something right to get elected in the first place. If people paid attention, then most of our state representatives would have lost their seats long ago.
A lot of them are more hostile to Trump than the dems. If they see an opportunity to obstruct Trump, they'll take it.
>>51326
The members of congress are the elected government, or at least part of it.
Unfortunately most Americans completely ignore congress and the senate. (((They've))) gotten very good at keeping Americans fat and stupid. Most can't even name their state's representatives. Many don't even bother voting for their state representatives, and those that do have a habit of voting for the guy currently in the position because of a naive assumption that surely he must've done something right to get elected in the first place. If people paid attention, then most of our state representatives would have lost their seats long ago.
>>51344
>If they see an opportunity to obstruct Trump, they'll take it.
They do want the tax cuts though, don't they?
>If they see an opportunity to obstruct Trump, they'll take it.
They do want the tax cuts though, don't they?
>>51346
american politicans don't actually want anything besides reelection, evverything they say is lip service
american politicans don't actually want anything besides reelection, evverything they say is lip service
>>51333
Baby Boomers? They aren' the skum. It the brainwashed youth born in 00 and past it and the old farts brainwashed by the jew or they are the jew themselves.
Those who have been on the outside or so old in their ways they avoid technology and don't touch it with a 60ft pole would look at the politicians with disgust.
Baby Boomers? They aren' the skum. It the brainwashed youth born in 00 and past it and the old farts brainwashed by the jew or they are the jew themselves.
Those who have been on the outside or so old in their ways they avoid technology and don't touch it with a 60ft pole would look at the politicians with disgust.
>>51385
baby boomers were the ones that ruined this country and continue to ruin it, this country will be infinitely better when they finally start dying off
baby boomers were the ones that ruined this country and continue to ruin it, this country will be infinitely better when they finally start dying off
>>51404
There old farts on every side of the spectrum, it the ones pushing for communism that you should be more concerned about. I still know many boomers who are gun toting, bible thumping conservatives that would celebrate their race and nation openly than let some commie try to shame them and take away their heritage. These men are also veterans and they today ask, "What the hell did we even fight for." Age isn't the factor here, it is the ideologies.
There old farts on every side of the spectrum, it the ones pushing for communism that you should be more concerned about. I still know many boomers who are gun toting, bible thumping conservatives that would celebrate their race and nation openly than let some commie try to shame them and take away their heritage. These men are also veterans and they today ask, "What the hell did we even fight for." Age isn't the factor here, it is the ideologies.
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