/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>>49232
About damn time. I hope this isn't dropped from the budget like the last time, and that the remaining money follows in later budgets

>>49232
Yeah, that is cool and everything, but I hope the drug smuggling will be also taken care of. Because you might have a wall, but corrupted border guards and other unwanted stuff might still occur.

In light of continued wall discussion, it is VITAL that you repost this information everywhere that you see ANY leftists trying to fight it.
Most Americans underestimate how much illegal aliens cost us each year. Looking at the Heritage Foundation study, you will find that the average illegal household pays about $10,334 annually in taxes. The disparity lies in the fact that the average illegal household receives around $24,721 in government benefits (this includes direct benefits, means-tested benefits, education benefits, population-based services, interest and other spending, and pure public goods expenditures) annually. For comparison, the average households with college-educated heads received $24,839 in government benefits while paying $54,089 in taxes. Now, looking at these figures, we can conclude that the average household of illegals costs taxpayers $14,387 per annum. The Heritage Foundation estimates that there are 3,444,955 households of illegals in the US, containing “no more than” 12,708,875 illegal immigrants. This estimate is flawed, however, because it is based off of a census study conducted in the year 2001. It’s strange how immigrants flood into our country and hop the border in droves, yet the amount of illegal immigrants has stayed roughly the same… A more apt estimate would be the one conducted by Ann Coulter in her book Adios, America! in which she cites a study by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalists Barlett and Steele that estimates an average of 3 million illegal aliens are coming in yearly–enough to fill 22,000 Boeing 737-700 airliners. Coulter also cites a study Fred Elbel done in 2007 that estimates there were 20 million illegal immigrants residing in the US in 2005.
Taking these new figures, we can calculate that there are close to 50 million illegal immigrants currently in the US. However, since I understand these studies are just estimates; I will use a more conservative estimate of 35 million. This new number of illegals is close to 3.5x the Heritage Foundation’s estimate, so we arrive at 12,057,343 households of illegals. AII of these households are costing US taxpayers $14,387 per annum. Multiply these two numbers and you get the cost of illegal immigration to the US: $173,468,986,547.
The US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) contractor, the US Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) completed 651 of nearly 652 miles of fencing mandated by Congress in 2005, which was a part of the DHS’ Secure Border Initiative (SBI). The price per mile (PPM) ranged from $400,000 to $15.1 million, for an average of $3.9 million PPM. The USA has close to 2,000 miles bordering Mexico and other areas illegal aliens typically trek though. Assuming the best option is the option for $15 million PPM, it would cost taxpayers around $30 billion to build a comprehensive wall. The price to build a wall that would last a lifetime is less than 17% of the yearly cost of illegal immigration. The choice is extremely clear.

>>49236
The areas mentioned are not the only areas in which we would save. If we decided to deport all illegal aliens, we would save the $173 billion that is spent yearly on the illegal aliens. This would allow us to increase the border patrols budget by $15 billion–a more than 100% increase–$10 billion towards defense spending, $50 billion towards paying back the national deficit (or $60 billion; whatever), all while cutting taxes by 2.5% across the board. In addition, close to 29.3 million jobs would be open. This number comes from multiplying the amount of illegal aliens by 89% (the amount over the age of 18), and then multiplying that number by 94.5% (accounting for just Obama’s fake unemployment rate in May 2015). With the amount of job openings caused by deportation, everyone drawing unemployment in the US would be able to find a job. And there would be close to 21 million jobs left, which would allow for an extraordinary amount of economic growth and would cause a massive surge in the Labor Force Participation Rate, which is seemingly lacking. When US citizens fill those jobs, the government will see a huge leap in tax revenue. The average US citizen pays close to 30% in taxes on their average $44,888 salary. The average citizen pays approximately $13,466 in taxes per annum to the government. Multiplying this by 31.3 million (the amount of jobs that now pay income tax to the US government) gives us $421.5 billion. Allocating these funds could give us $50 billion for infrastructure repair, $10 billion for education, $15 billion for defense spending (or, again, no more than we’re spending now at all), $150 billion to pay back the national debt, and would allow us to lower taxes again, this time 5% across the board.

>>49237
Freeing up all these jobs would allow us to completely cut all unemployment benefits, which would discontinue FUTA (6%) as well as SUTA (5.82%) taxes on business, while saving taxpayers 108.5 billion USD annually. 10 billion of these newfound funds could go to paying back the national deficit, all while cutting taxes yet again, another 2.5% across the board.
In conclusion, building a border wall and deporting all illegal immigrants would allow us to spend per annum: $15 billion on border patrol, $25 billion in defense spending, $50 billion for infrastructure repair, $10 billion for education, and $210 billion towards paying back the national deficit–in addition to their current budgets–while cutting taxes nearly 12% on business, and 10% for citizens.
Sources:
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_17_4/tsc_17_4_elbel.shtml
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/05/the-fiscal-cost-of-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-to-the-us-taxpayer
http://www.barletteandsteele.com/journalism/time_border_1.php
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-090-244R
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/systems/mexico-wall.htm
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/05/news/economy/unemployment_benefits_extension/
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/NR/rdonlyres/6C563967-79A1-4FB6-8A71-B7027B536D43/0/FICAFUTASUTA.pdf
http://www.nowandfutures.com/taxes.html

>>49235
The wall is mostly symbolic anyway. It probably will stop quite a bit of illegal border crossing, but so far the best deterrent has just been following through on the immigration policies we already have. The libs probably have a point when they say it's a waste of money, but at this point I don't even care. It's less of a waste of money than the immigrants themselves, it pisses off lefties, and it sends a message to Mexico that we're not just going to let them keep dumping their garbage here. If that's not a good enough reason to spend $1.6 billion I don't know what is.

>>49234

> and that the remaining money follows in later budgets

in the mexican governments budget you mean, they're already about to owe us 1.6 billion

>>49258
Really this.
It's the crack-down on illegals, mass-deportations, and serious border patrol that counts.
What's good about the wall though is that it'll out-last the regime, and serve as a reminder for the revival of our conviction to take our laws seriously.

>>49258

alot of drugs, and human trafficking go over the border physically and once we make the border patrols job easier we can shift our focus to fixing up the coast guard and TSA and the management and tracking of visas

>>49263
>once we make the border patrols job easier we can shift our focus to fixing up the coast guard and TSA and the management and tracking of visas
This!

>>49266

also a lot of repeat offenders come over the physical border some beaner recently killed a father of 3 while drunk driving and he had been deported 7 times previously and kept coming back in, once the wall is sorted out we need to get to beaners that overstay their visas tracking their visa status is good but we really out to cut all entitlements for all non-citizens so they have less incentive to stay without following the law. It'd also be great to cut down on our legal immigrant numbers so as to promote more economic mobility

>>49267
>we really out to cut all entitlements for all non-citizens so they have less incentive to stay without following the law.
I can't agree more. Even if it weren't about Spics, non-citizens shouldn't be given entitlements: those are meant to be privileges reserved for citizens of the United States.

>>49268

even at that point we should have a strict work/study requirement so niggers can't get by on entitlements alone while being lazy

>>49258
>>49262
>Border Patrol is almost as effective as a real barrier
Vehemently disssagree. Border Patrol can never be as effective as an actual barrier, because of how they must release the aliens after they catch them

A Central American is caught at the border with her two children having just entered the United States without inspection. Legally, the CBP may place her in "Expedited removal," where she may be detained and removed from the without a hearing before an Immigration Judge. UNLESS, the alien claims that she is afraid of returning to her home country. In that case, the government must allow her a hearing to claim asylum. And I promise you, they always say they are afraid to return. So the government detains her for a period of two or so weeks. Often, the children are flown to special residency centers deep in the United States. Before being released, she must pass a "credible fear interview." These are insanely easy to pass. Every Guatemalan, Honduran, and El Salvadorian has some story about being the victim of gang violence, or having a relative who was the victim of violence. These are passed even if the alien alleges nothing that even comes close to being the basis for receiving asylum. The paperwork and previous statements that in an asylum hearing would prove that the alien is lying do not exist in these interviews. And further, the standards for passing these interviews are incredibly low - the Obama administration directed that an alien passes when the interviewer has even reasonable doubts that the alien is lying.

And after this, the alien is served with a notice to appear before an immigration judge in the city she was going to for a hearing in about six months. I want everyone reading this to understand: any alien *caught* illegally crossing the US border by Border Patrol (who claims fear) will be released and told to go on their way to their destination in the US, but only after the US Government spends thousands on detention and legal fees. As you would expect, a large percentage of aliens who are told to appear before an Immigration Judge never do - I've heard it's 40% with Central Americans. They just disappear and go about their way in the United States (again, *after* being caught while crossing the border). But let's assume she shows to her hearing six months after she entered. If she does, she'll be told she has the right to a lawyer, and will have her hearing rescheduled so she can get a lawyer after a few weeks. Assuming it's not rescheduled again, and assuming she shows, she'll tell the court that she'd like to seek asylum in the United States.

Now here's the real kicker. The Immigration Court system is incredibly backed up. I've seen hearing for asylum cases scheduled as many as four years - FOUR YEARS - after the date it was scheduled. The least I've seen is nine months, and almost all are scheduled at least a year into the future. In these one, two, three, four years, she could be having children. And she will be having children, and they will have US citizenship. She could could marry a US citizen, adjust her status to lawful permanent resident, become a citizen, an petition for her children to become citizens, besides those born to her here. She could wait until a general amnesty is declared. Time is on her side.

If she does have her asylum hearing, so many years in the future, she will probably be denied, because (shocker!) fear of gang violence is not a sufficient ground for receiving. But it's not over. After her claim is denied, she has 90 days before being deported to appeal her decision to the Board of Immigration Appeals. And then she has some until they issue a decision. And after they deny her appeal, she can appeal her losing case to the federal circuit court. The Ninth Circuit gives a mandatory stay of removal until the case is heard, and they take months or years to hear cases.The Ninth also has liberal judges who will vote against the government just on principle that they never vote for the government in immigration cases. After the federal circuit court denies the appeal, the alien can still appeal their losing case to the United States Supreme Court. Only after all that, all of that (save perhaps for the last few stages of the appeals process in some areas), will our Central American and her two children (now probably more) finally be deported back to El Guatemaladuras, a half decade and many thousands of dollars of US tax payer dollars after being caught at the border by border patrol. And that's assuming A) She was caught B) she didn't disappear after being released C) she never got lucky.

Or she could go to the border, see a wall she can't get over, and return home

>>49291
Well shit...

>>49258
Like >>49291 said the wall is much more for intimidation. It makes simple economic migrants much less likely to want to try to cross. That will leave criminals and other high end fags to try and enter. It'll make liberals less likely to want to support the illegals entering and our policy on immigration much more set in stone, so to speak. When the wall is made democrats can't just cut wall spending because woops its already made. Sure maintaining it will be able to be cut but if its a high quality wall there shouldn't be a problem under one or even two presidents who want to see the thing gone. It'll stand as a long lasting reminder that our policy on immigration from Mexico and Latin America is fuck off, we're full.

>The Republican-led House has voted to make a $1.6 billion down payment for President Donald Trump’s long-promised wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.
>The vote was 230-196. Republican leaders avoided voting directly on the divisive issue Thursday. Instead, they tucked the wall provision into a broader procedural vote.
>Trump promised at nearly every rally and campaign event that Mexico would pay for the wall. Mexico said no, and U.S. taxpayers will have to provide the money.
>Democrats said they might have defeated the wall if they’d been given a chance. It’s unpopular with more moderate Republicans and those representing districts with large immigrant communities.
Money for the wall is part of a broader $788 billion spending bill funding defense and veterans programs.
>tfw the thought they could stop the wall
https://archive.is/U0X79

>>56581
Nice. Now we just need the remaining 90% of the funds, and for this bill to pass in the Senate

>>56581

when people try to argue that the wall is too expensive I wonder if they know that $788 billion is routine spending?