Why is the U.S. housing market so shitty and full of pointless obstacles and red tape?
>inb4 (((them)))
Without saying, but is there any way to deal with it in this generation? How did we let i get this bad? Is there a way to find a home that's worth raising a family in that's within driving distance of your job? What's a man to do in this clown world?
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>>334428
While I agree that the best long-term solution is getting rid of NIMBY culture and making housing more available to all, nothing short of calling in the Army Corps of Engineers to build more housing will likely solve the issue. I’m probably against this idea because it would only fuel the ideals of militarism on our own soil if there were such a call for it in the future. But while we cannot solve the crisis immediately, there are a few short-term things to think about on an individual level.
1) Choose a dwelling whose living expenses are based on your income. For the time being, renting is likely better than buying, since buying could incur its own expenses and inflexibility, so you will likely need to choose a place whose rent does not exceed 1/3 of your gross income.
On this note, I would advise against living in poorer neighborhoods unless such choice is absolutely necessary. There is more crime in those areas and police tend to patrol them rather often as a result, so not only could you become the victim of a crime, you could be harassed by austere police officers who are “only doing their jobs”. You would thus need to invest in home security solutions that may ultimately push you over your budget and make living in a higher-income neighborhood more sensible.
2) If living within driving distance is still too tough for you, there are a few things you could possibly try, but not necessarily succeed at. You could possibly try to negotiate a higher salary with your supervisor, but I doubt that supervisors will be willing to pay their employees even more than they already have to during these troubling times. If that is the case, try searching for jobs that are closer to you and land you with more money available to you, which may not necessarily mean a higher salary if commuting expenses are calculated.
If worse came to worst, you could possibly try to seek cheaper housing far away and consider redefining what “driving distance” is. You could possibly try to ask for a company car or find a job that will give you one or consider the mass transport options that exist to get you to your workplace. Über also has a program called Ride Pass that can get you to where you are going from $14.99 per month, but this could possibly vary depending on where you live.
3) If not even this works, you may need to take action and become a housing advocate. Perhaps some ideas to petition include coverage of housing and transportation expenses for large businesses, the abolition of the power of the mob to cancel new housing projects, and the construction of new affordable housing in outlying areas, possibly with the inclusion of abolishing single-family-only zones.
One idea to use for your campaign include the fact that it may be more expensive to be homeless and poor rather than a middle-class person with a home because having a home means greater accessibility to work and being paid means having the ability to buy necessities in bulk and exercise the saving potential that comes with it. You could also say that employees are not willing to work because they require housing affordability.
While I agree that the best long-term solution is getting rid of NIMBY culture and making housing more available to all, nothing short of calling in the Army Corps of Engineers to build more housing will likely solve the issue. I’m probably against this idea because it would only fuel the ideals of militarism on our own soil if there were such a call for it in the future. But while we cannot solve the crisis immediately, there are a few short-term things to think about on an individual level.
1) Choose a dwelling whose living expenses are based on your income. For the time being, renting is likely better than buying, since buying could incur its own expenses and inflexibility, so you will likely need to choose a place whose rent does not exceed 1/3 of your gross income.
On this note, I would advise against living in poorer neighborhoods unless such choice is absolutely necessary. There is more crime in those areas and police tend to patrol them rather often as a result, so not only could you become the victim of a crime, you could be harassed by austere police officers who are “only doing their jobs”. You would thus need to invest in home security solutions that may ultimately push you over your budget and make living in a higher-income neighborhood more sensible.
2) If living within driving distance is still too tough for you, there are a few things you could possibly try, but not necessarily succeed at. You could possibly try to negotiate a higher salary with your supervisor, but I doubt that supervisors will be willing to pay their employees even more than they already have to during these troubling times. If that is the case, try searching for jobs that are closer to you and land you with more money available to you, which may not necessarily mean a higher salary if commuting expenses are calculated.
If worse came to worst, you could possibly try to seek cheaper housing far away and consider redefining what “driving distance” is. You could possibly try to ask for a company car or find a job that will give you one or consider the mass transport options that exist to get you to your workplace. Über also has a program called Ride Pass that can get you to where you are going from $14.99 per month, but this could possibly vary depending on where you live.
3) If not even this works, you may need to take action and become a housing advocate. Perhaps some ideas to petition include coverage of housing and transportation expenses for large businesses, the abolition of the power of the mob to cancel new housing projects, and the construction of new affordable housing in outlying areas, possibly with the inclusion of abolishing single-family-only zones.
One idea to use for your campaign include the fact that it may be more expensive to be homeless and poor rather than a middle-class person with a home because having a home means greater accessibility to work and being paid means having the ability to buy necessities in bulk and exercise the saving potential that comes with it. You could also say that employees are not willing to work because they require housing affordability.
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>>334428
>Why is the U.S. housing market so shitty and full of pointless obstacles and red tape?
Artificial scarcity.
- A shack is dirt cheap to build
- If you're poor, all you need is a shack, even in Minnesota
- (((Investors))) cannot drive up the price of housing if anyone can build a shack
"Not in my backyard"
- Boomers don't want to live next to shacks
Run away public spending
- Municipalities cannot collect as many taxes on shacks
- Municipalities depend on property tax
- Municipalities are feeding spics and niggers using property tax which leads to more spics and niggers
- Municipalities are schooling spics and niggers using property tax
- Fire chiefs campaigned in the 80 to be called for certain medical emergencies to make up for the loss of income from the reduction of house fires, now they complain that they don't have enough funding to respond to all the calls
The obvious and easy answer is to eliminate property taxes (and "eminent domain") on all non-income property, and ban private banks.
No private banks -> no mortgages
No private banks -> no ponzi schemes (insurance)
No private banks -> no general funds that horde resources
No taxes on the family home -> EZ FUCK YOU MONEY -> less shitty employers because everyone would be able to say FUCK YOU -> less chance for monopolization, because less people are desperate
You could do it by just eliminating property tax on non-income property, treat mortgaged properties as for-profit, and place a mandatory limit on time, value, and interest that makes the idea of issuing a mortgage undesirable.
The best way to live in the USA right now is to break the law by buying cheap land not zoned for habitation, build a shack on it without a house inspection, and pay the minimum in property taxes.
Even then, you have to contend with property taxes and nosy boomers that will rat you out because "not in my backyard".
>Why is the U.S. housing market so shitty and full of pointless obstacles and red tape?
Artificial scarcity.
- A shack is dirt cheap to build
- If you're poor, all you need is a shack, even in Minnesota
- (((Investors))) cannot drive up the price of housing if anyone can build a shack
"Not in my backyard"
- Boomers don't want to live next to shacks
Run away public spending
- Municipalities cannot collect as many taxes on shacks
- Municipalities depend on property tax
- Municipalities are feeding spics and niggers using property tax which leads to more spics and niggers
- Municipalities are schooling spics and niggers using property tax
- Fire chiefs campaigned in the 80 to be called for certain medical emergencies to make up for the loss of income from the reduction of house fires, now they complain that they don't have enough funding to respond to all the calls
The obvious and easy answer is to eliminate property taxes (and "eminent domain") on all non-income property, and ban private banks.
No private banks -> no mortgages
No private banks -> no ponzi schemes (insurance)
No private banks -> no general funds that horde resources
No taxes on the family home -> EZ FUCK YOU MONEY -> less shitty employers because everyone would be able to say FUCK YOU -> less chance for monopolization, because less people are desperate
You could do it by just eliminating property tax on non-income property, treat mortgaged properties as for-profit, and place a mandatory limit on time, value, and interest that makes the idea of issuing a mortgage undesirable.
The best way to live in the USA right now is to break the law by buying cheap land not zoned for habitation, build a shack on it without a house inspection, and pay the minimum in property taxes.
Even then, you have to contend with property taxes and nosy boomers that will rat you out because "not in my backyard".
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"Taxmen could be here" he thought. "I've never heard these woods this quiet. There could be TAXMEN anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE TAXMEN" he thought. Lookin' Out My Backdoor reverberated his entire shack, making it pulsate even as the cool spring water circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of taxmen in the woods. "With a shack, you can live without taxes" he said to himself, out loud.
>>334435
>The best way to live in the USA right now is to break the law by buying cheap land not zoned for habitation, build a shack on it without a house inspection, and pay the minimum in property taxes.
If your do that, couldn't the government just seize your land? Iirc they can do that if you broke the law. And if you're paying minimum property taxes or doing any paperwork at all the IRS might audit you when they decide they deserve moar, and then immediately find out the law was broken.
>>334446
Also this. Maybe I'd do it when I save up money though.
>The best way to live in the USA right now is to break the law by buying cheap land not zoned for habitation, build a shack on it without a house inspection, and pay the minimum in property taxes.
If your do that, couldn't the government just seize your land? Iirc they can do that if you broke the law. And if you're paying minimum property taxes or doing any paperwork at all the IRS might audit you when they decide they deserve moar, and then immediately find out the law was broken.
>>334446
Also this. Maybe I'd do it when I save up money though.
>>334483
>If your do that, couldn't the government just seize your land? Iirc they can do that if you broke the law. And if you're paying minimum property taxes or doing any paperwork at all the IRS might audit you when they decide they deserve moar, and then immediately find out the law was broken.
It depends on where you are. Before you buy land anywhere, you need to make sure you understand what it's zoned for, what the building codes in the area require, whether there are local covenants, and any other applicable regulations. It can turn into an absolute nightmare if you don't. I was reading an anon's post on /pol/ once, the guy bought land in rural Michigan and built a log cabin on it. He got to live in it for roughly a month until some government fags showed up, told him the structure was illegal, and made him tear it down. I think it also turned out that he wasn't allowed to live on it year round or something too. He was then grousing about how he had spent his life's savings up to that point on what was essentially just a private campsite. It may feel like absolute bullshit, but if you want to go the homesteading route, it's usually much easier to comply with building codes and regulations than to try and fight them, because usually you don't win. Build everything to code and pay your property taxes and there's not much anyone can do to you; conversely, if you build an illegal structure they can force you to demolish it, and if you don't pay your taxes the government can legally confiscate your land.
Some states are also better to do this in than others. Wyoming I know has low taxes and generally lax laws about this kind of thing; Nevada, or parts of Nevada at least, has zero building codes, so if you don't mind the heat that's an option. Main thing is to just do your research before buying anything.
>If your do that, couldn't the government just seize your land? Iirc they can do that if you broke the law. And if you're paying minimum property taxes or doing any paperwork at all the IRS might audit you when they decide they deserve moar, and then immediately find out the law was broken.
It depends on where you are. Before you buy land anywhere, you need to make sure you understand what it's zoned for, what the building codes in the area require, whether there are local covenants, and any other applicable regulations. It can turn into an absolute nightmare if you don't. I was reading an anon's post on /pol/ once, the guy bought land in rural Michigan and built a log cabin on it. He got to live in it for roughly a month until some government fags showed up, told him the structure was illegal, and made him tear it down. I think it also turned out that he wasn't allowed to live on it year round or something too. He was then grousing about how he had spent his life's savings up to that point on what was essentially just a private campsite. It may feel like absolute bullshit, but if you want to go the homesteading route, it's usually much easier to comply with building codes and regulations than to try and fight them, because usually you don't win. Build everything to code and pay your property taxes and there's not much anyone can do to you; conversely, if you build an illegal structure they can force you to demolish it, and if you don't pay your taxes the government can legally confiscate your land.
Some states are also better to do this in than others. Wyoming I know has low taxes and generally lax laws about this kind of thing; Nevada, or parts of Nevada at least, has zero building codes, so if you don't mind the heat that's an option. Main thing is to just do your research before buying anything.
>>334434
>1) Choose a dwelling whose living expenses are based on your income. For the time being, renting is likely better than buying, since buying could incur its own expenses and inflexibility, so you will likely need to choose a place whose rent does not exceed 1/3 of your gross income.
this is not possible for most poor in the US.
>1) Choose a dwelling whose living expenses are based on your income. For the time being, renting is likely better than buying, since buying could incur its own expenses and inflexibility, so you will likely need to choose a place whose rent does not exceed 1/3 of your gross income.
this is not possible for most poor in the US.
>>334514
Its QUITE possible, if u network properly.
Srsly, I cant be the ONLY landowner who wants his charge to develop/emerge their ABSOLUTELY FREE plot of land witb mineral rights?
Its QUITE possible, if u network properly.
Srsly, I cant be the ONLY landowner who wants his charge to develop/emerge their ABSOLUTELY FREE plot of land witb mineral rights?
>>334528
Seriously to this end, its real.
Ive got 5 ppl (so far) signed on/in to sharing monthly utility dues; ~85/month
Seriously to this end, its real.
Ive got 5 ppl (so far) signed on/in to sharing monthly utility dues; ~85/month
In America how legal is it to make your own log cabin in the middle of nowhere and rent some of its rooms/floors to friends?
>>334535
Why? I don't get it. If we own the land the log cabin we built what right do they have to say we can't have friends sleep over once in a while? ...and pay money to be there?
Why? I don't get it. If we own the land the log cabin we built what right do they have to say we can't have friends sleep over once in a while? ...and pay money to be there?
>>334536
You know it's illegal to collect rainwater here, right? The last thing they want is the average American to even think that self dependency is possible. The only thing we have going is gun rights.
You know it's illegal to collect rainwater here, right? The last thing they want is the average American to even think that self dependency is possible. The only thing we have going is gun rights.
>>334446
And I gave an answer.
Building a shack isn't limited to the boonies.
The housing game in the US is all about vendor lock in.
Housing prices will plummet once that's eliminated.
And I gave an answer.
Building a shack isn't limited to the boonies.
The housing game in the US is all about vendor lock in.
Housing prices will plummet once that's eliminated.
>>334586
>How would you go about building a shack on 42nd Street?
Step 1: Own the land (this isn't possible)
Step 2: Build a shack
Of course you could go the cool way and disguise your shack as an industrial sized dumpster and park it in a quiet alley.
>How would you go about building a shack on 42nd Street?
Step 1: Own the land (this isn't possible)
Step 2: Build a shack
Of course you could go the cool way and disguise your shack as an industrial sized dumpster and park it in a quiet alley.
>>334535
>You don't own something you make reoccurring payments to use or occupy.
I mean, hypothetically, you own the land once you pay off a mortgage.
>You don't own something you make reoccurring payments to use or occupy.
I mean, hypothetically, you own the land once you pay off a mortgage.
>>334528
>if u network properly.
That's also really difficult for most of the poor in the United States.
>if u network properly.
That's also really difficult for most of the poor in the United States.
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>>334594
>you own the land once you pay off a mortgage.
Don't pay your property tax and see what happens.
Keep paying your property taxes while living in a logistically critical location and see what happens. (pic related)
>you own the land once you pay off a mortgage.
Don't pay your property tax and see what happens.
Keep paying your property taxes while living in a logistically critical location and see what happens. (pic related)
>>334435
>eliminate property taxes
Property taxes are all voluntarily. For some reason, everybody enters in to contractual agreements to pay them, then gets upset about having to fulfill the contract and letting the other party dictate all the terms. Everybody can eliminate property tax obligations if they wanted. It's "hard" but it's possible. But for some reason nobody ever does it. It will never be eliminated by the people who benefit from it.
>eminent domain
Sadly that's a federal thing. States and local governments don't have the same authority, but people consistently yield to them as well as if they do have it or they fail to properly secure their land in law. Plus, when the feds do it, it requires "just compensation".
>eliminate property taxes
Property taxes are all voluntarily. For some reason, everybody enters in to contractual agreements to pay them, then gets upset about having to fulfill the contract and letting the other party dictate all the terms. Everybody can eliminate property tax obligations if they wanted. It's "hard" but it's possible. But for some reason nobody ever does it. It will never be eliminated by the people who benefit from it.
>eminent domain
Sadly that's a federal thing. States and local governments don't have the same authority, but people consistently yield to them as well as if they do have it or they fail to properly secure their land in law. Plus, when the feds do it, it requires "just compensation".
>>334603
>It's "hard" but it's possible.
lol
>just vote harder
Elections have been rigged through Dominion since '06 where I live. Nobody is going to eliminate property tax, and whenever there's something on the ballot, every rich fuck throws around the loss of public school funding.
>Property taxes are all voluntarily
Again, don't pay them and see what happens.
1. nasty letters
2. eviction notice
3. police use force
4. what you paid to "own" is taken from you
No tax is voluntary.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg
>It's "hard" but it's possible.
lol
>just vote harder
Elections have been rigged through Dominion since '06 where I live. Nobody is going to eliminate property tax, and whenever there's something on the ballot, every rich fuck throws around the loss of public school funding.
>Property taxes are all voluntarily
Again, don't pay them and see what happens.
1. nasty letters
2. eviction notice
3. police use force
4. what you paid to "own" is taken from you
No tax is voluntary.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg
>>334637
Okay, the situation is shit, but wtf do we do about it?
You need a home to raise a white family.
Okay, the situation is shit, but wtf do we do about it?
You need a home to raise a white family.
>>334642
I say we consider moving to online voting. Estonia has already done it and I think we can design a system that is even more secure than theirs, which may make it even more secure than mail-in ballots and in-person voting. The only real issues that stick out in my mind with online voting would be limited accessibility in rural areas and the distribution of temporary login credentials, but solutions to both of these problems may both not be out of the question.
>>334603
>voluntary
They only seem voluntary if you’re willing to move to an area which has lower or no property taxes.
>States and local governments don't have the same authority
They do. My home state’s government owns all of the railroad tracks inside of it and freight trains, as a result, lack priority over passenger trains.
>>334598
Aren’t property taxes a phenomenon that dates back to feudalism, though? The lords owned the land, but they still had to pay taxes to their monarchs.
I say we consider moving to online voting. Estonia has already done it and I think we can design a system that is even more secure than theirs, which may make it even more secure than mail-in ballots and in-person voting. The only real issues that stick out in my mind with online voting would be limited accessibility in rural areas and the distribution of temporary login credentials, but solutions to both of these problems may both not be out of the question.
>>334603
>voluntary
They only seem voluntary if you’re willing to move to an area which has lower or no property taxes.
>States and local governments don't have the same authority
They do. My home state’s government owns all of the railroad tracks inside of it and freight trains, as a result, lack priority over passenger trains.
>>334598
Aren’t property taxes a phenomenon that dates back to feudalism, though? The lords owned the land, but they still had to pay taxes to their monarchs.
>>334648
>Aren’t property taxes a phenomenon that dates back to feudalism, though? The lords owned the land, but they still had to pay taxes to their monarchs.
Yes.
So were Sheriffs. What are "Sheriffs"? Tax farmers. Police have been and will always be tax farmers, even the ones you "elect".
Delaware did not allow the collection of taxes on non-income property.
The solution to nearly every problem we experience was discovered over 200 years ago.
>Aren’t property taxes a phenomenon that dates back to feudalism, though? The lords owned the land, but they still had to pay taxes to their monarchs.
Yes.
So were Sheriffs. What are "Sheriffs"? Tax farmers. Police have been and will always be tax farmers, even the ones you "elect".
Delaware did not allow the collection of taxes on non-income property.
The solution to nearly every problem we experience was discovered over 200 years ago.
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>Blackstone CEO Celebrates “Huge Increases in Rents” as Millions Face Eviction
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/12/blackstone-rent-stephen-schwarzman-pandemic
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/12/blackstone-rent-stephen-schwarzman-pandemic
>>334637
>Vote harder
The paying of property taxes have absolutely nothing to do with voting and elections. Rigged electronic elections can easily be fixed as well, yet I'm unaware of a single action that has been brought over it in the entire country. That's a topic that would probably deserve its own thread.
>don't pay them and see what happens.
If you voluntarily contract yourself to pay them, then fail to pay, you're going to be in for a bad time for sure.
>>334642
For existing obligations there's only two methods to eliminate those obligations. You sell the property, thus removing your obligation or you fulfill the contract, in full. The tricky part is finding what that number is and going through the process of compelling agencies to provide it under court order.
>>334648
They still are voluntary. Why people contractually obligate themselves in the first place is the real question. As for the railroads, you'd have to look at the controlling laws and contracts.
>Vote harder
The paying of property taxes have absolutely nothing to do with voting and elections. Rigged electronic elections can easily be fixed as well, yet I'm unaware of a single action that has been brought over it in the entire country. That's a topic that would probably deserve its own thread.
>don't pay them and see what happens.
If you voluntarily contract yourself to pay them, then fail to pay, you're going to be in for a bad time for sure.
>>334642
For existing obligations there's only two methods to eliminate those obligations. You sell the property, thus removing your obligation or you fulfill the contract, in full. The tricky part is finding what that number is and going through the process of compelling agencies to provide it under court order.
>>334648
They still are voluntary. Why people contractually obligate themselves in the first place is the real question. As for the railroads, you'd have to look at the controlling laws and contracts.
>>334781
>The paying of property taxes have absolutely nothing to do with voting and elections.
What is the elected position of "assessor".
>developer wants to build a mall where some long-time old residents live
>developer selects a new assessor
>assessor jacks up property valuations
>tax burden drives out the marginal residents
>brokerage firm attached to the developer buys up the land and rents it out to diversity
>diversity kills or drives out the rest
>developer gets the land in a sweetheart deal with brokerage firm
>assessor gets a cut
>If you voluntarily contract yourself to pay them
Where do you live?
You do not "voluntarily contract" yourself to pay property taxes.
If you buy property, they demand a tithing. Those demands are backed by the force of the state (police).
Failure to submit to that force results in physical and financial (more physical) damages.
The only instance where you could "buy" land in the US is Nevada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title#Nevada
Everything else you've said is pure fiction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_exemption
>Preventing the forced sale of a home to meet the demands of creditors, usually except mortgages, mechanics liens, or sales to pay property taxes
>except sale to pay property taxes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_tax_in_the_United_States#Liens_and_seizures
>they become an encumbrance on the property which the current and future owners must satisfy.
I want you to show everyone in this thread no less than 5 instances across multiple states of people successfully eliminated all reoccurring land-use fees without killing a cop.
Any one of those will count as 2 instances if they 1: didn't have to spend more than 20k in legal fees, and 2: didn't spend more than 18 months from the start of the process to finish to remove all third-party financial encumbrances on their property for the rest of their lives.
>The paying of property taxes have absolutely nothing to do with voting and elections.
What is the elected position of "assessor".
>developer wants to build a mall where some long-time old residents live
>developer selects a new assessor
>assessor jacks up property valuations
>tax burden drives out the marginal residents
>brokerage firm attached to the developer buys up the land and rents it out to diversity
>diversity kills or drives out the rest
>developer gets the land in a sweetheart deal with brokerage firm
>assessor gets a cut
>If you voluntarily contract yourself to pay them
Where do you live?
You do not "voluntarily contract" yourself to pay property taxes.
If you buy property, they demand a tithing. Those demands are backed by the force of the state (police).
Failure to submit to that force results in physical and financial (more physical) damages.
The only instance where you could "buy" land in the US is Nevada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title#Nevada
Everything else you've said is pure fiction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_exemption
>Preventing the forced sale of a home to meet the demands of creditors, usually except mortgages, mechanics liens, or sales to pay property taxes
>except sale to pay property taxes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_tax_in_the_United_States#Liens_and_seizures
>they become an encumbrance on the property which the current and future owners must satisfy.
I want you to show everyone in this thread no less than 5 instances across multiple states of people successfully eliminated all reoccurring land-use fees without killing a cop.
Any one of those will count as 2 instances if they 1: didn't have to spend more than 20k in legal fees, and 2: didn't spend more than 18 months from the start of the process to finish to remove all third-party financial encumbrances on their property for the rest of their lives.
>>334784
>Nevada
But what would you do if da gubmint comes and tries to take your land away in order to make way for a lithium mine?
>Nevada
But what would you do if da gubmint comes and tries to take your land away in order to make way for a lithium mine?
>>334785
You would need mineral rights to your land.
I don't know what would happen with one of the lucky few that managed to get an allodial title for their land before the state shut it down a few years ago.
You would need mineral rights to your land.
I don't know what would happen with one of the lucky few that managed to get an allodial title for their land before the state shut it down a few years ago.
>>334787
These people seem to have done so. https://thisisreno.com/2022/02/winnemucca-colony-joins-thacker-pass-lawsuit/
These people seem to have done so. https://thisisreno.com/2022/02/winnemucca-colony-joins-thacker-pass-lawsuit/
>>334788
>Indians
>Joined lawsuit
>2/14/22 still ongoing
>seem to have done so
Indian land isn't American soil and the lawsuit isn't finished.
>Indians
>Joined lawsuit
>2/14/22 still ongoing
>seem to have done so
Indian land isn't American soil and the lawsuit isn't finished.
>>334586
>You’d be surprised. One only needs a gross income of $36,000 per year in order to be able to afford a luxurious $1,000 per month apartment.
most poor live on less than 1300 a month. if you make more than this you cannot have food stamps either. that means everyone with a snap card anon.
>You’d be surprised. One only needs a gross income of $36,000 per year in order to be able to afford a luxurious $1,000 per month apartment.
most poor live on less than 1300 a month. if you make more than this you cannot have food stamps either. that means everyone with a snap card anon.
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>>334528
>just network bro.
how?
>I can't be the only one
Thanks to my boomer parents, I can tell you that not only are you wrong, but people like you are one in a million. Keep at it anon. I wish I could join you.
>just network bro.
how?
>I can't be the only one
Thanks to my boomer parents, I can tell you that not only are you wrong, but people like you are one in a million. Keep at it anon. I wish I could join you.
>>334812
>if you make more than this you cannot have food stamps either.
This is why I've always thought that welfare should continue for a couple years after the recipient no longer meets the prerequisite. I know niggers would abuse it, but it would do other poor people who want to work to enter the middle class some justice to not lose their food security the same month they get a new job that they may or may not be able to keep.
>if you make more than this you cannot have food stamps either.
This is why I've always thought that welfare should continue for a couple years after the recipient no longer meets the prerequisite. I know niggers would abuse it, but it would do other poor people who want to work to enter the middle class some justice to not lose their food security the same month they get a new job that they may or may not be able to keep.
>>334648
>Aren’t property taxes a phenomenon that dates back to feudalism, though? The lords owned the land, but they still had to pay taxes to their monarchs.
It's older than feudalism. It really dates back to the beginning of civilization. So long as there has been states and property, there has been taxes. You can trace it back to ancient Summeria on sanskrit clay tablets.
>Aren’t property taxes a phenomenon that dates back to feudalism, though? The lords owned the land, but they still had to pay taxes to their monarchs.
It's older than feudalism. It really dates back to the beginning of civilization. So long as there has been states and property, there has been taxes. You can trace it back to ancient Summeria on sanskrit clay tablets.
>>334818
>They face the same struggle you face and you just ignore them? That sounds very hypocritical.
Learn some basic reading comprehension.
What he's saying is that those indians face very different circumstances from the rest of us (being able to argu ancestral claim over their land), so what they did isn't necessarily feasible by others. Not only that, the case is still ongoing, so they don't "seem to have done so"; there's no indication that it would work for them, let alone the rest of us.
>They face the same struggle you face and you just ignore them? That sounds very hypocritical.
Learn some basic reading comprehension.
What he's saying is that those indians face very different circumstances from the rest of us (being able to argu ancestral claim over their land), so what they did isn't necessarily feasible by others. Not only that, the case is still ongoing, so they don't "seem to have done so"; there's no indication that it would work for them, let alone the rest of us.
>>334818
>That amount is below the minimum wage in most areas, assuming a 40-hour and 5-day work week.
thanks to insurance laws for employees its very common for razor thin margin businesses to only offer sparse hours
>That amount is below the minimum wage in most areas, assuming a 40-hour and 5-day work week.
thanks to insurance laws for employees its very common for razor thin margin businesses to only offer sparse hours
>>334813
>how?
Difficult to answer without knowing your bio, but it has to do with determining what ways you can be of benefit/service/use to those around you with greater means. Im.not talking about jobs (though Im not NOT talking about jobs) Im talking about communities helping one another. The easiest example is a younger person helping less able (but more resourced) older people.
I know of a kid who helped an old lady pick up her yard for a couple years. She paid him hourly of course, but when she passed she left him a couple grand in her will because she appreciated his company, time, and diligence.
It starts with finding ways to invest time in individuals who are running out of time to invest.
>how?
Difficult to answer without knowing your bio, but it has to do with determining what ways you can be of benefit/service/use to those around you with greater means. Im.not talking about jobs (though Im not NOT talking about jobs) Im talking about communities helping one another. The easiest example is a younger person helping less able (but more resourced) older people.
I know of a kid who helped an old lady pick up her yard for a couple years. She paid him hourly of course, but when she passed she left him a couple grand in her will because she appreciated his company, time, and diligence.
It starts with finding ways to invest time in individuals who are running out of time to invest.
>>334804
The point is this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/supreme-court-oklahoma-mcgirt-creek-nation.html
Indians play by a whole different set of rules.
If I could, I would live on a rez, just to sidestep most of this bullshit.
If I could, I would setup a hosting company, and crypto exchange on rez land just to keep the imageboards safe.
The point is this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/supreme-court-oklahoma-mcgirt-creek-nation.html
Indians play by a whole different set of rules.
If I could, I would live on a rez, just to sidestep most of this bullshit.
If I could, I would setup a hosting company, and crypto exchange on rez land just to keep the imageboards safe.
>>334879
My question at this point is whether what would have been the State of Sequoyah should simply split off from Oklahoma, since Indian reservations are considered federal territory and are inefficiently run by bureaucratic powers. The formation of a separate state would probably allow the tribal governments there to have access to even more power and authority than they currently do.
>inb4 “Muh Injuns are going to do everything differently and spell the downfall of Whites!”
Tribal governments are largely similar to that of the US government in terms of structure and democracy. The Constitution provides that Common Law is the legal system to be used throughout the United States, each state is to have a republican form of government, and that citizens have freedom of movement throughout the country. Additional laws prohibit hiring discrimination, so do not be surprised to see a governor or Member of Congress of the new state who is not Native American in the slightest. The State of Oklahoma, however, must be convinced to part with Tulsa and the Democrats must be convinced to let the Republicans gain two more Senate seats.
My question at this point is whether what would have been the State of Sequoyah should simply split off from Oklahoma, since Indian reservations are considered federal territory and are inefficiently run by bureaucratic powers. The formation of a separate state would probably allow the tribal governments there to have access to even more power and authority than they currently do.
>inb4 “Muh Injuns are going to do everything differently and spell the downfall of Whites!”
Tribal governments are largely similar to that of the US government in terms of structure and democracy. The Constitution provides that Common Law is the legal system to be used throughout the United States, each state is to have a republican form of government, and that citizens have freedom of movement throughout the country. Additional laws prohibit hiring discrimination, so do not be surprised to see a governor or Member of Congress of the new state who is not Native American in the slightest. The State of Oklahoma, however, must be convinced to part with Tulsa and the Democrats must be convinced to let the Republicans gain two more Senate seats.
>>334859
>Difficult to answer without knowing your bio, but it has to do with determining what ways you can be of benefit/service/use to those around you with greater means.
don't have any
the greatest connection I have is with someone just as poor as me, and as for my parents, they pissed it all away. I dont really have an inheretence to draw on, my family is disconnected and scattered to the 9 winds.
The one property left we do have is also very small and is where my dad lives. his life is balanced on a razors edge due to being permanently disabled and being an extreme luddite allergic to change and tech that would bring in money, since hes not physically able to work like he wants for over a decade.
Basically despite being the biggest degenerate shit in my family I am somehow the head of it. My friends do help me but it's never going to be "buying land" tier help. I'd be happy for someone to get me a remote position somewhere with the certs I just got but getting actual land is kind of unimaginable in terms of a loan from a friend.
>The easiest example is a younger person helping less able (but more resourced) older people.
This is all I've ever done but do not expect the boomer generation to reward you for that, sadly.
thanks for the general information but I'm basically tapped out helping my family stay afloat mentally and physically. Maybe things will change this year and there will be some updraft. really skeptical though.
>Difficult to answer without knowing your bio, but it has to do with determining what ways you can be of benefit/service/use to those around you with greater means.
don't have any
the greatest connection I have is with someone just as poor as me, and as for my parents, they pissed it all away. I dont really have an inheretence to draw on, my family is disconnected and scattered to the 9 winds.
The one property left we do have is also very small and is where my dad lives. his life is balanced on a razors edge due to being permanently disabled and being an extreme luddite allergic to change and tech that would bring in money, since hes not physically able to work like he wants for over a decade.
Basically despite being the biggest degenerate shit in my family I am somehow the head of it. My friends do help me but it's never going to be "buying land" tier help. I'd be happy for someone to get me a remote position somewhere with the certs I just got but getting actual land is kind of unimaginable in terms of a loan from a friend.
>The easiest example is a younger person helping less able (but more resourced) older people.
This is all I've ever done but do not expect the boomer generation to reward you for that, sadly.
thanks for the general information but I'm basically tapped out helping my family stay afloat mentally and physically. Maybe things will change this year and there will be some updraft. really skeptical though.
>>334879
>If I could, I would setup a hosting company, and crypto exchange on rez land just to keep the imageboards safe.
I've always wanted to own 4cuck and beat off glows, but I think if an image board gets popular a rez wont protect it. the state steps all over injun joes.
>If I could, I would setup a hosting company, and crypto exchange on rez land just to keep the imageboards safe.
I've always wanted to own 4cuck and beat off glows, but I think if an image board gets popular a rez wont protect it. the state steps all over injun joes.
>>334913
>I'm basically tapped out helping my family stay afloat mentally and physically
Im sorry to hear that anon. It sounds like you've been volunteered for the role (HoH) because the 'adults' are incompetent. May I ask what state you live in?
>I'm basically tapped out helping my family stay afloat mentally and physically
Im sorry to hear that anon. It sounds like you've been volunteered for the role (HoH) because the 'adults' are incompetent. May I ask what state you live in?
>>334899
>what would have been the State of Sequoyah should simply split off from Oklahoma, since Indian reservations are considered federal territory and are inefficiently run by bureaucratic powers. The formation of a separate state would probably allow the tribal governments there to have access to even more power and authority than they currently do.
They've tried this before in the 60's, iirc, but last time they got assraped.
>what would have been the State of Sequoyah should simply split off from Oklahoma, since Indian reservations are considered federal territory and are inefficiently run by bureaucratic powers. The formation of a separate state would probably allow the tribal governments there to have access to even more power and authority than they currently do.
They've tried this before in the 60's, iirc, but last time they got assraped.
>>334784
>What is the elected position of "assessor".
Again, has nothing to do with the PAYMENT.
And if the people do nothing in a hypothetical situation like that, then it's their own fault.
Everyone that pays taxes on property has voluntarily entered in to that obligation. If you're implying that a state or government has any lawful authority to use force to extract money or property, in the absence of any contractual agreement, then you already live in a communist dictatorship and have already lost. If you don't understand your rights and how to utilize rule of law properly, you're the only one at fault.
>The only instance where you could "buy" land in the US is Nevada.
Land cannot be bought, sold, or traded. It's not a possibility anywhere. Ever.
I don't know what you're trying to say from the wikipedia articles. They're not saying anything contrary to what I've said.
People successfully eliminate 100% of property taxes daily. It happens as part of nearly every home sale. That's the fastest and easiest method to eliminate a person's property tax obligations. The other method is to fulfill the contract.
There are also a great number of land and property combinations in the United States that currently have no tax obligations and never have. Implying you need to kill anybody is insane and even if you did it, it would do nothing to eliminate any contractual obligations, it would just make you a criminal.
>What is the elected position of "assessor".
Again, has nothing to do with the PAYMENT.
And if the people do nothing in a hypothetical situation like that, then it's their own fault.
Everyone that pays taxes on property has voluntarily entered in to that obligation. If you're implying that a state or government has any lawful authority to use force to extract money or property, in the absence of any contractual agreement, then you already live in a communist dictatorship and have already lost. If you don't understand your rights and how to utilize rule of law properly, you're the only one at fault.
>The only instance where you could "buy" land in the US is Nevada.
Land cannot be bought, sold, or traded. It's not a possibility anywhere. Ever.
I don't know what you're trying to say from the wikipedia articles. They're not saying anything contrary to what I've said.
People successfully eliminate 100% of property taxes daily. It happens as part of nearly every home sale. That's the fastest and easiest method to eliminate a person's property tax obligations. The other method is to fulfill the contract.
There are also a great number of land and property combinations in the United States that currently have no tax obligations and never have. Implying you need to kill anybody is insane and even if you did it, it would do nothing to eliminate any contractual obligations, it would just make you a criminal.
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>>334964
We're too fragmented to have a literal HoH, but I'm the only one in a position to continue anyone's agenda going forward as age and decline sap the strength of my family, The only one who wants to improve our living situation instead of just coast and piss away life. It really shocks me that this is the attitude people their age have. I understand it, bone deep. but I'm too stubborn to do anything but keep putting one weak foot forward after the other.
>what state
WA.
We're too fragmented to have a literal HoH, but I'm the only one in a position to continue anyone's agenda going forward as age and decline sap the strength of my family, The only one who wants to improve our living situation instead of just coast and piss away life. It really shocks me that this is the attitude people their age have. I understand it, bone deep. but I'm too stubborn to do anything but keep putting one weak foot forward after the other.
>what state
WA.
>>335134
>WA
>that pic
Big, big oof. I hope you're rural, not that that'd be a huge benefit. Ill try to keep it to non-specifics.
Is your household solvent? If not, may I ask the degree of insolvency? How many able-bodies are associated in the house, and are their abilities and talents being focused? Not volunteering anyone for anything, just wondering if theres anything that can be done. Even a disabled person can learn to.mine crypto (not that now is a good time for that, but it could be something)
>WA
>that pic
Big, big oof. I hope you're rural, not that that'd be a huge benefit. Ill try to keep it to non-specifics.
Is your household solvent? If not, may I ask the degree of insolvency? How many able-bodies are associated in the house, and are their abilities and talents being focused? Not volunteering anyone for anything, just wondering if theres anything that can be done. Even a disabled person can learn to.mine crypto (not that now is a good time for that, but it could be something)
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>>335212
>oof
It's just a reaction image. not actually shipping these two.
>is your household solvent
dunno what solvent means
dad owns his own home, the rest of my family are all renters. Siblings more or less doing their own thing, no interest in the family, closest one is perpetually unemployed drinker. has my dads grandchildren.
>even a disabled person
I have spent the last 3 years trying to convince my dad to not be blackpilled. He just can't handle it. He wouldn't touch a computer to so much make a uncle ted promotion video. doing my best to pull my mom back towards where I live, she and I get a long, but she is mildly woke. I'm not just sitting here thinking "it's hopeless" and doing nothing, but for 3 years of work all I have to show is decay in a lot of ways, rather than progress.
>oof
It's just a reaction image. not actually shipping these two.
>is your household solvent
dunno what solvent means
dad owns his own home, the rest of my family are all renters. Siblings more or less doing their own thing, no interest in the family, closest one is perpetually unemployed drinker. has my dads grandchildren.
>even a disabled person
I have spent the last 3 years trying to convince my dad to not be blackpilled. He just can't handle it. He wouldn't touch a computer to so much make a uncle ted promotion video. doing my best to pull my mom back towards where I live, she and I get a long, but she is mildly woke. I'm not just sitting here thinking "it's hopeless" and doing nothing, but for 3 years of work all I have to show is decay in a lot of ways, rather than progress.
>>335219
>solvency
In a resource sense, are you (as a group) expending less or comparable resources than/to you have incoming? Basically Im asking if you risk expending all your resources over time? If not, great but if so, what sort of timeframe will something need to be done in to prevent literal/figurati e bankruptcy?
What Im getting at with this question is, how pressed for time are you (again collectively) in developing upward mobility?
>solvency
In a resource sense, are you (as a group) expending less or comparable resources than/to you have incoming? Basically Im asking if you risk expending all your resources over time? If not, great but if so, what sort of timeframe will something need to be done in to prevent literal/figurati e bankruptcy?
What Im getting at with this question is, how pressed for time are you (again collectively) in developing upward mobility?
>>335212
>(not that now is a good time for that, but it could be something)
~3.? cents/KWH in WA.
It's a great time RIGHT NOW to mine, because you can offset some of your heating as mining. You've got till the end of March before it's no longer economical.
Just mine something that ASICs can't touch (XMR) and hold.
>>335134
>I'm the only one in a position to continue anyone's agenda going forward as age and decline sap the strength of my family
Cost of living decreases almost exponentially with the amount of people you live with.
Get more family to live either close to you, or with you. (I know you said you tried)
Shared Kroger fuel points
- First tuesday of every month is senior discount day nigger.
- Take the old bastard to the store and stock up on your monthly necessities on that tuesday
- It only applies to store brand shit, but it stacks with other discounts and savings certificates
- Common "scam" is to buy kroger gift cards when they have a 4x fuel points promo (make sure they give you the points), and spend that on fuel (because fuel purchases don't give you points)
Shared Costco membership. (one card holder, but there's a costco day or something every month)
Shared internet bill.
More people living in the same house means a lower heating bill.
He's blackpilled because he probably watched the devolution of Washington all while chasing money instead of focusing on family.
And it's common in Washington and Oregon for families to dissolve.
You could try to get him to sell shit at a local fleamarket, assuming you have the money to buy a spot.
>>335101
>People successfully eliminate 100% of property taxes daily. It happens as part of nearly every home sale. That's the fastest and easiest method to eliminate a person's property tax obligations. The other method is to fulfill the contract.
>There are also a great number of land and property combinations in the United States that currently have no tax obligations and never have. Implying you need to kill anybody is insane and even if you did it, it would do nothing to eliminate any contractual obligations, it would just make you a criminal.
I've given you a very specific, yet reasonable, list of requirements for an answer, and yet you've given no real examples of what you describe, therefore what you describe is fantasy.
As far as "owning land isn't possible", there has been one excellent example in this thread alone. Injuns own their land.
>Chief Justice John Marshall once stated that "the power to tax involves the power to destroy."'
>Considering our nation's long-standing policy of preserving Indian reservation land and fostering Indian economic development, 2 it is not surprising that the Supreme Court has found Indian reservation land and activities exempt from state taxation.
>3 Since the turn of the century, the Court has held that American
https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1151&context=law_urbanlaw
>(not that now is a good time for that, but it could be something)
~3.? cents/KWH in WA.
It's a great time RIGHT NOW to mine, because you can offset some of your heating as mining. You've got till the end of March before it's no longer economical.
Just mine something that ASICs can't touch (XMR) and hold.
>>335134
>I'm the only one in a position to continue anyone's agenda going forward as age and decline sap the strength of my family
Cost of living decreases almost exponentially with the amount of people you live with.
Get more family to live either close to you, or with you. (I know you said you tried)
Shared Kroger fuel points
- First tuesday of every month is senior discount day nigger.
- Take the old bastard to the store and stock up on your monthly necessities on that tuesday
- It only applies to store brand shit, but it stacks with other discounts and savings certificates
- Common "scam" is to buy kroger gift cards when they have a 4x fuel points promo (make sure they give you the points), and spend that on fuel (because fuel purchases don't give you points)
Shared Costco membership. (one card holder, but there's a costco day or something every month)
Shared internet bill.
More people living in the same house means a lower heating bill.
He's blackpilled because he probably watched the devolution of Washington all while chasing money instead of focusing on family.
And it's common in Washington and Oregon for families to dissolve.
You could try to get him to sell shit at a local fleamarket, assuming you have the money to buy a spot.
>>335101
>People successfully eliminate 100% of property taxes daily. It happens as part of nearly every home sale. That's the fastest and easiest method to eliminate a person's property tax obligations. The other method is to fulfill the contract.
>There are also a great number of land and property combinations in the United States that currently have no tax obligations and never have. Implying you need to kill anybody is insane and even if you did it, it would do nothing to eliminate any contractual obligations, it would just make you a criminal.
I've given you a very specific, yet reasonable, list of requirements for an answer, and yet you've given no real examples of what you describe, therefore what you describe is fantasy.
As far as "owning land isn't possible", there has been one excellent example in this thread alone. Injuns own their land.
>Chief Justice John Marshall once stated that "the power to tax involves the power to destroy."'
>Considering our nation's long-standing policy of preserving Indian reservation land and fostering Indian economic development, 2 it is not surprising that the Supreme Court has found Indian reservation land and activities exempt from state taxation.
>3 Since the turn of the century, the Court has held that American
https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1151&context=law_urbanlaw
>>335279
Every person who has sold a home is an example. This is happening in untold numbers every day. Why don't you ask anyone who's ever sold a home if they're still paying taxes on it.
I've never said owning land wasn't possible. Nearly everyone can own land. I said land cannot be BOUGHT, SOLD or TRADED. It is immutable.
Every person who has sold a home is an example. This is happening in untold numbers every day. Why don't you ask anyone who's ever sold a home if they're still paying taxes on it.
I've never said owning land wasn't possible. Nearly everyone can own land. I said land cannot be BOUGHT, SOLD or TRADED. It is immutable.
>>335288
Thank you Chief Typing Bull for the native american position. But if anyone is maintaining any illusions about who really owns the land, see what good mineral rights are when you have a gas pipeline through your property
Thank you Chief Typing Bull for the native american position. But if anyone is maintaining any illusions about who really owns the land, see what good mineral rights are when you have a gas pipeline through your property
>>335292
If you're acquiring land that has already has private interests on it, that's your own fault for not doing your due diligence. If you want fee simple title, you should be doing that. If you grant a lien to a private company or other ownership interests that you have, don't come crying about it later. Everybody should be doing their own title research before going through with any property purchases. People bitch and whine all the time about an electric company trespassing in their yard but don't seem to realize they signed a contract to explicitly allow it or somebody else did and you voluntarily accepted it as part of your purchase. If you don't want gas lines, power lines, or other third parties on your land, don't acquire land that already has it and don't grant permission to them. It's not hard.
If you're acquiring land that has already has private interests on it, that's your own fault for not doing your due diligence. If you want fee simple title, you should be doing that. If you grant a lien to a private company or other ownership interests that you have, don't come crying about it later. Everybody should be doing their own title research before going through with any property purchases. People bitch and whine all the time about an electric company trespassing in their yard but don't seem to realize they signed a contract to explicitly allow it or somebody else did and you voluntarily accepted it as part of your purchase. If you don't want gas lines, power lines, or other third parties on your land, don't acquire land that already has it and don't grant permission to them. It's not hard.
>>335309
Research the full chain of title yourself, ideally before you go through with any purchase so you can avoid any third party encumbrances.
Make sure you fully review and fully understand any contracts you're agreeing to, before you agree to them.
Learn and understand the laws surrounding any of the agreements you're dealing with.
Most cities/counties/states will still send a tax bill even in the absence of a contractual agreement. Acquiescing to their requests (sending in an uncontested payment) is a signature act that will bind you to the terms and conditions associated.
Exhaust all available administrative options with such body requesting them to show cause.
Once exhausted, you can move on to using the judicial system to make them show cause.
You must be able to fully understand the law and be able to communicate and demonstrate to the court those laws and why the opposing side is not following them because otherwise they will just assume the city/county/state is right even if it's not.
If a city/county/state is already taking action due to the presumed contractual agreement and you haven't done the above yet and are at risk of a tax sale or similar, it's typically best to make payment under protest. If it's not done under protest, then it's presumed that you're volunteering to agree to the contract as I said earlier. If you fail to protest it, you may have no recourse in recouping the amount.
If you don't pay in protest, then you may end up with third parties making claims against your property after a tax sale and will have to go through with additional judicial action to sort that out so it's typically best to avoid it.
Research the full chain of title yourself, ideally before you go through with any purchase so you can avoid any third party encumbrances.
Make sure you fully review and fully understand any contracts you're agreeing to, before you agree to them.
Learn and understand the laws surrounding any of the agreements you're dealing with.
Most cities/counties/states will still send a tax bill even in the absence of a contractual agreement. Acquiescing to their requests (sending in an uncontested payment) is a signature act that will bind you to the terms and conditions associated.
Exhaust all available administrative options with such body requesting them to show cause.
Once exhausted, you can move on to using the judicial system to make them show cause.
You must be able to fully understand the law and be able to communicate and demonstrate to the court those laws and why the opposing side is not following them because otherwise they will just assume the city/county/state is right even if it's not.
If a city/county/state is already taking action due to the presumed contractual agreement and you haven't done the above yet and are at risk of a tax sale or similar, it's typically best to make payment under protest. If it's not done under protest, then it's presumed that you're volunteering to agree to the contract as I said earlier. If you fail to protest it, you may have no recourse in recouping the amount.
If you don't pay in protest, then you may end up with third parties making claims against your property after a tax sale and will have to go through with additional judicial action to sort that out so it's typically best to avoid it.
>>335315
>You must be able to fully understand the law and be able to communicate and demonstrate to the court those laws and why the opposing side is not following them because otherwise they will just assume the city/county/state is right even if it's not.
Are you high? they'll convict you even if you're right
>You must be able to fully understand the law and be able to communicate and demonstrate to the court those laws and why the opposing side is not following them because otherwise they will just assume the city/county/state is right even if it's not.
Are you high? they'll convict you even if you're right
>>336044
>they'll convict you
You seem to be the one who's high. This is a civil case and you're the plaintiff. Worst case scenario your action fails because you failed to understand law or failed to communicate it with the court. Doing that also makes it harder for you in the future because your case will be used against you if you try again and then you'll have to deal with that bullshit. There are no "convictions" and you don't go to jail.
>they'll convict you
You seem to be the one who's high. This is a civil case and you're the plaintiff. Worst case scenario your action fails because you failed to understand law or failed to communicate it with the court. Doing that also makes it harder for you in the future because your case will be used against you if you try again and then you'll have to deal with that bullshit. There are no "convictions" and you don't go to jail.
>>336118
so basically you waste time and money standing before a judge whos job it is to keep anyone litigating their freedom burried in red tape and fake excuses that will never apply to the people with real power, begging them that because some rule exists for them it should apply to you?
How about this then. You sound like you must have seen a thing or two. why dont you drop these civil cases and show us how its done? If you are arguing precident for not paying taxes like this exists for the average person who, in this day and age, will struggle to even afford a down payment on some real land, I'd love to see it.
so basically you waste time and money standing before a judge whos job it is to keep anyone litigating their freedom burried in red tape and fake excuses that will never apply to the people with real power, begging them that because some rule exists for them it should apply to you?
How about this then. You sound like you must have seen a thing or two. why dont you drop these civil cases and show us how its done? If you are arguing precident for not paying taxes like this exists for the average person who, in this day and age, will struggle to even afford a down payment on some real land, I'd love to see it.
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