Been thinking about how when societies aren't subverted by jews, they determine what's "degenerate" and what isn't based on what's helpful or harmful to the continuation, health, and improvement of the tribe/race/species.
Racemixing is degenerate because lesser offspring is the result. A poodle will never be a sled dog, and even if it fucks one, the resulting abomination will never be a sled dog.
Homosexuality is degenerate because it's a perversion of natural sexuality that cannot reproduce, though its behaviours are reproducible.
Drugs are degenerate if they harm the body severely. Man should not be dominated by vices and addictions.
It's degenerate for women to work because they should be making babies. It's degenerate for a man to be cuckolded, scolded, or otherwise controlled by something lesser like a woman. If she holds his balls in her purse, he is pathetic for not taking them back even though he isn't allowed to do anything to set her straight. That's how society views men controlled by women even though the state enables the emotionally, physically, and financially abusive tendencies of women. Men lack reproductive rights and divorce forms a more permanent and tangible bond between adults than marriage. Modern society is degenerate.
But for a species with entirely different bodies, would they think differently about what is degenerate and what is not? Obviously everyone would hate cuckery no matter what.
But if one of those made-up fantasy/sci-fi alien races where the females are larger and stronger than the males existed, would they evolve the same taboo against women working instead of breeding? How would they realistically treat males? And what of creatures that don't need muscles to be strong, such as magic Unicorns or psychic creatures?
The only stories I've ever seen explore this concept were degenerate fetish stories I dropped once their true nature became apparent, fetish stories that tried to spin the whole world falling under the rule of domineering sex-obsessed femtards as a good thing. The only discussions of this idea I've ever seen got drowned out by obnoxious "i want to be stepped on"posting.
So if any place is degeneracy-free enough for this conversation, it's here.
Your thoughts?
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Femdom isn't degenerate at all in the first place, so long as you keep it in the bedroom.
>>310432
>Femdom isn't degenerate at all in the first place, so long as you keep it in the bedroom.
Yeah it's absolutely ok to get dominated by a woman, if it's not in public, right.
>Femdom isn't degenerate at all in the first place, so long as you keep it in the bedroom.
Yeah it's absolutely ok to get dominated by a woman, if it's not in public, right.
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>>310431
The answer is that good poners don't give a fuck and continue to be good poners regardless.
Various fictions are an interpretation of the realities.
>But for a species with entirely different bodies, would they think differently about what is degenerate and what is not?
>Obviously everyone would hate cuckery no matter what.
<Nature be wack yo.
That's not necessarily true about creatures (such as the cuckoo bird) that is the means of reproduction. For the affected (Reed Warbler) that's a net negative.
With greater awareness and expanded consciousness such interactions could become ore symbiotic or more parasitic.
Dolphins love rape and murdering other dolphins' young.
For a female led role look at lions and lionesses.
The question then becomes could a successful society be born of those traits in the vast majority.
I would say not as effectively or with as much robustness as it could have been.
Various drugs and their ideal ratio medicines have a time and place to do what is required, as said before that has their own consequences.
So the question then becomes is doing that worth it?
The answer is that good poners don't give a fuck and continue to be good poners regardless.
Various fictions are an interpretation of the realities.
>But for a species with entirely different bodies, would they think differently about what is degenerate and what is not?
>Obviously everyone would hate cuckery no matter what.
<Nature be wack yo.
That's not necessarily true about creatures (such as the cuckoo bird) that is the means of reproduction. For the affected (Reed Warbler) that's a net negative.
With greater awareness and expanded consciousness such interactions could become ore symbiotic or more parasitic.
Dolphins love rape and murdering other dolphins' young.
For a female led role look at lions and lionesses.
The question then becomes could a successful society be born of those traits in the vast majority.
I would say not as effectively or with as much robustness as it could have been.
Various drugs and their ideal ratio medicines have a time and place to do what is required, as said before that has their own consequences.
So the question then becomes is doing that worth it?
The opposite of femdom is rape. rape is more based.
>>310431
Real life horses have an extremely skewed male to female population ratio, even with this being the case, the head stallion of a herd engages in protective and lead behaviours while the mares enforce a pecking order amongst their own. Who gets fucked first, who eats what and in what order and other such things.
If you scale up these behaviours to a civilisational level, the more primal instincts would be the norm in rural societies while urban ones would be matriarchal to a point. More out of pure necessity than any other reason because of the skewed ratio, due to the readily observable shortage of stallions, they'd be treated more as valuable breeding stock vital to population replenishment rather than as an integral portion of the workforce. Mares on the other hand, being more populous, are functionally less valuable from a reproductive standpoint, so you'd see a lot of them in high risk work the same way human men are. This of course assumes herd structures, which the show has never shown or hinted at. Monogamous pair bonding in pastel horses with a sex ratio as skewed as theirs would result in a surplus of reproductive dead ends, or marecels. That's ignoring the possibility of the smaller number of stallions exhibiting the same kind of selectiveness over mates that human women have, so in this case you'd see a situation similar to ours, but with the roles reversed.
I highly recommend giving this a read to brush up on the nature of cities in general. https://pastebin.com/npygRMBQ
In either case taking the above thesis as true, for tiny pastel talking horses, excess mares that are unable to start or join a herd and/or engage in monogamous pair bonding in rural villages would wind up in the pioneering role or get siphoned away to urban centers to engage in specialised work.
As for the question of degeneracy in society, it was degenerate long before the jews ever interacted with the west. Western civilisation was birthed from a society that saw absolutely nothing wrong with fucking your bros, and even considered it masculine to do so. Much of the social decay we see today is strictly urban, which the jews actively exacerbate, and are not immune to themselves. Urban decay is an inevitability, while it used to be a relatively slow process, technology (communications and transportation in particular) has only accelerated the life cycle of cities.
Real life horses have an extremely skewed male to female population ratio, even with this being the case, the head stallion of a herd engages in protective and lead behaviours while the mares enforce a pecking order amongst their own. Who gets fucked first, who eats what and in what order and other such things.
If you scale up these behaviours to a civilisational level, the more primal instincts would be the norm in rural societies while urban ones would be matriarchal to a point. More out of pure necessity than any other reason because of the skewed ratio, due to the readily observable shortage of stallions, they'd be treated more as valuable breeding stock vital to population replenishment rather than as an integral portion of the workforce. Mares on the other hand, being more populous, are functionally less valuable from a reproductive standpoint, so you'd see a lot of them in high risk work the same way human men are. This of course assumes herd structures, which the show has never shown or hinted at. Monogamous pair bonding in pastel horses with a sex ratio as skewed as theirs would result in a surplus of reproductive dead ends, or marecels. That's ignoring the possibility of the smaller number of stallions exhibiting the same kind of selectiveness over mates that human women have, so in this case you'd see a situation similar to ours, but with the roles reversed.
I highly recommend giving this a read to brush up on the nature of cities in general. https://pastebin.com/npygRMBQ
In either case taking the above thesis as true, for tiny pastel talking horses, excess mares that are unable to start or join a herd and/or engage in monogamous pair bonding in rural villages would wind up in the pioneering role or get siphoned away to urban centers to engage in specialised work.
As for the question of degeneracy in society, it was degenerate long before the jews ever interacted with the west. Western civilisation was birthed from a society that saw absolutely nothing wrong with fucking your bros, and even considered it masculine to do so. Much of the social decay we see today is strictly urban, which the jews actively exacerbate, and are not immune to themselves. Urban decay is an inevitability, while it used to be a relatively slow process, technology (communications and transportation in particular) has only accelerated the life cycle of cities.
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>>310512
This. I think a femdom society in the non-fetish shit sense would end up like the pic OP started with.
Insane women doing insane things with the goal of self-aggrandizing dominance in mind, even if they are a different species like ponies. The only difference is, if they are a species with supposedly magical abilities, like unicorns, that would only give them additional ways to create a very horrid society and maintain it through force that the males can't match.
This. I think a femdom society in the non-fetish shit sense would end up like the pic OP started with.
Insane women doing insane things with the goal of self-aggrandizing dominance in mind, even if they are a different species like ponies. The only difference is, if they are a species with supposedly magical abilities, like unicorns, that would only give them additional ways to create a very horrid society and maintain it through force that the males can't match.
I just want a horse to sit on my face.
Idk why it should have to come with all that feminist bullshit.
Idk why it should have to come with all that feminist bullshit.
>>310634
Don't you think the hysterical women would selectively Darwin Award themselves out of the gene pool if they outnumbered men and therefore men got more choice to themselves?
Then again women would undoubtedly unionize to control men through abuse and access to their bodies just as they have done in this world unless they were of a more intellectually and morally competent species where the women are capable of true thought.
Don't you think the hysterical women would selectively Darwin Award themselves out of the gene pool if they outnumbered men and therefore men got more choice to themselves?
Then again women would undoubtedly unionize to control men through abuse and access to their bodies just as they have done in this world unless they were of a more intellectually and morally competent species where the women are capable of true thought.
>>310638
That second part is why I don't think crossing fingers and saying that some women would just Darwin themselves out of existence. At that point, it's just a competition of who is most hysterical versus least hysterical. The women would all be hysterical at some level yet in a more structured fashion, because there are no males in charge to reign (lol pony pun) them in. Pony women or some other fictional species, if they were capable of true thought it would be granting them masculine traits. The issue is that the only fully sapient species we can base this fictional, female-oriented one off of is ourselves. So I'm basing my answers to questions off of that rather than actually accounting for real-life behaviors of animals species like horses and the like.
So necessarily, in order for it to not be a society based off of unionized females dominating males and establishing rules of shared access to males in an abusive fashion, they would have to have more masculine traits added to them. More logical and moral thinking as a baseline. In that case, you might actually have a more positive society where females take the lead, but it's only because they have masculine traits and thus can actually connect to the males on that level and have an understanding with them for how to best organize the society.
>>310635
It only comes without feminist bullshit if it's you sitting on the horse's face instead. Sorry anon.
That second part is why I don't think crossing fingers and saying that some women would just Darwin themselves out of existence. At that point, it's just a competition of who is most hysterical versus least hysterical. The women would all be hysterical at some level yet in a more structured fashion, because there are no males in charge to reign (lol pony pun) them in. Pony women or some other fictional species, if they were capable of true thought it would be granting them masculine traits. The issue is that the only fully sapient species we can base this fictional, female-oriented one off of is ourselves. So I'm basing my answers to questions off of that rather than actually accounting for real-life behaviors of animals species like horses and the like.
So necessarily, in order for it to not be a society based off of unionized females dominating males and establishing rules of shared access to males in an abusive fashion, they would have to have more masculine traits added to them. More logical and moral thinking as a baseline. In that case, you might actually have a more positive society where females take the lead, but it's only because they have masculine traits and thus can actually connect to the males on that level and have an understanding with them for how to best organize the society.
>>310635
It only comes without feminist bullshit if it's you sitting on the horse's face instead. Sorry anon.
In a society where everyone has magic, wouldn't badness be magicked away?
Sure, fundamentally good people can be forced to make tough choices with no right answers by bad situations no matter how they feel.
But while reality has no safe efficient easy perfect way to remove badness from humanity, magicians would find it as easy as magicking the weight from an elephant or magicking some good magical effect into some water.
Sure, fundamentally good people can be forced to make tough choices with no right answers by bad situations no matter how they feel.
But while reality has no safe efficient easy perfect way to remove badness from humanity, magicians would find it as easy as magicking the weight from an elephant or magicking some good magical effect into some water.
>>310663
>In a society where everyone has magic, wouldn't badness be magicked away?
According to literally every fantasy story I've ever read or watched, absolutely not. Magic just enables greater heights of badness.
>In a society where everyone has magic, wouldn't badness be magicked away?
According to literally every fantasy story I've ever read or watched, absolutely not. Magic just enables greater heights of badness.
>>310664
Authors want a story to happen that's relateable to modern audiences so magic doesn't solve all problems. Often it makes them worse, so the hero has easily understood villains to punch and problems to solve. But it wouldn't make sense for a realistic magic race to not magic themselves into hyper-intelligence, men and women alike.
Authors want a story to happen that's relateable to modern audiences so magic doesn't solve all problems. Often it makes them worse, so the hero has easily understood villains to punch and problems to solve. But it wouldn't make sense for a realistic magic race to not magic themselves into hyper-intelligence, men and women alike.
>>310671
If magic is comparable to technology, it should create nearly as many problems as it solves. Electric lighting decreased labor standards by enabling workers to work through the night. Firearms make it easier for niggers to murder. Commercial airlines spread diseases and caused pandemics. Global trade routes economically disadvantage local producers by forcing them to compete with third world standards. Nuclear energy created weapons that could wipe entire countries off of the map, preventing many hot wars, but also changing the game so that powerful countries try to indirectly inconvenience each other through proxy wars, with millions of unrelated people suffering in between. Agricultural revolutions enabled obesity, and excessive use causes soil erosion and climate destruction.
Technology may improve the overall quality of life for most people, but it also causes many problems never seen before.
Now compare it to magic, which is really by definition more mysterious/Eldritch, more volatile, and less reliable than mundane technology. In a magical world, a lot of the worlds problems may be caused by magic itself, or by bad actors capable of wielding magic. Magic can also do completely unexpected things for unexplained reasons, even act on its own accord, depending on how the universe is set up.
If magic is comparable to technology, it should create nearly as many problems as it solves. Electric lighting decreased labor standards by enabling workers to work through the night. Firearms make it easier for niggers to murder. Commercial airlines spread diseases and caused pandemics. Global trade routes economically disadvantage local producers by forcing them to compete with third world standards. Nuclear energy created weapons that could wipe entire countries off of the map, preventing many hot wars, but also changing the game so that powerful countries try to indirectly inconvenience each other through proxy wars, with millions of unrelated people suffering in between. Agricultural revolutions enabled obesity, and excessive use causes soil erosion and climate destruction.
Technology may improve the overall quality of life for most people, but it also causes many problems never seen before.
Now compare it to magic, which is really by definition more mysterious/Eldritch, more volatile, and less reliable than mundane technology. In a magical world, a lot of the worlds problems may be caused by magic itself, or by bad actors capable of wielding magic. Magic can also do completely unexpected things for unexplained reasons, even act on its own accord, depending on how the universe is set up.
Ok>>310671
>it wouldn't make sense for a realistic magic race to not magic themselves into hyper-intelligence, men and women alike
That's one idea, but those same hyper-intelligent power wizard caste may just instead decide that they don't need peasants anymore, which could lead them to enslave/exterminate everyone else.
Not only that, but magic in every universe has limitations. Being able to exponentially increase your own personal power is usually something that isn't easy to attain, usually involving some sort of horrible price or extensive ritual.
>it wouldn't make sense for a realistic magic race to not magic themselves into hyper-intelligence, men and women alike
That's one idea, but those same hyper-intelligent power wizard caste may just instead decide that they don't need peasants anymore, which could lead them to enslave/exterminate everyone else.
Not only that, but magic in every universe has limitations. Being able to exponentially increase your own personal power is usually something that isn't easy to attain, usually involving some sort of horrible price or extensive ritual.
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>>310671
>>310673
So limitless magic turns to china cultivator stories. Where effort turns into power. How fast and how good is the stress point but it ends up like the above points.
>Raise many powerful potential magic users if one of them becomes super powerful hopefully that one will help you out in the future.
>Quantity is its own quality.
>>310672
<and option three
>it opens up new places to exist in
Not necessarily nice places, but new ones.
Another thing to consider with certain magic entails is the accumulation of only individual power and scale.
Where a single entity can do more than several worlds worth of people without.
Typically wise actions solves all the problems.
Magic (without wisdom) seems to be the fastest means to obtain a 'close enough' end state.
>>310664
>>310663
To quote a game series "Evil always finds a way."
Another issue is the vigilance of what is good. With either magic or technology the scale and scope of actions increases. The could outpaces the should due to the demand of wise considerations that can take time and effort.
Broad strokes covers many of the problems, but it also at times ignores the specificity of why those problems appear, and what is problematic about them.
Yet individually can ignore the wide reaching consequences (good or bad) that the single issue can spawn.
A middling perspective kinda gets what's going on, but misses the point on the broad and individual scale.
A majority of women have around the average IQ.
The social EQ makes up for that to an extent. As well as being deeply effected by anything. Even stupid crap, especially stupid bullshit.
But it would be remiss of me to say that some females, that is not the majority, have became superior through effort or genetics or disposition or a different way or a combination of any of the above.
As with many people the success and achievements tend to be lost in time which is a shame.
<back to poners
One massive difference is the subject of cutie marks, and the princesses.
The magic that negatively impacts everyone is offset with magic that positively impacts everyone, usually through soft preemptive measures of an intrinsic nature.
The ponies tend toward disharmony, yet strive towards harmony. Strive towards love, and friendship, despite the myriad of nation destroying magic being practically widely available.
>On feminism
Without the (((catalyst))) always at work the spiraling effect is not shown.
The health of the society at large appears heathy (until later episodes). Luna appears disrupting the status quo. Discord does relatively localized chaos. Cadence has a public wedding for reasons not yet known, and a direct subverting opponent appears. Sombra appears ect ect.
Now Twilight newest princess of Friendship with seemingly no experience takes the mantle in the time of chaos and interesting times.
Two things are going on, Discord and the Tree of Harmony. Both want to be active agents again. Discord tends to all forms of chaos and disharmony. The Tree of Harmony wants the highest ideals (ie the elements of Friendship) to be actualized.
Both can work together even if it doesn't seem as such even when it's in opposition.
So society is on the brink of collapse inside and outside all the time, but now the edge is getting closer and sharper. Partly (((creators vision and hasbro))) other part is the nature of ponies, and another part is learning and applying wisdom.
Now we're not done yet due to the age rating of the show and resources to create it the conception and sexual dynamics are not displayed as readily.
However the wide ranging cultures and personal familial cultures are all over the place. From one town to another it's extremely widely different.
At the very least there is pair bonded marriage at practice that is seen. However the wide variety of what is going on is an amplified condensed version of The US.
Except the frontier always keeps existing.
With that in mind prostitute clothing of the wild west is a thing as is Casa Nova. Neither is particularly shocking to the surrounding ponies.
What is shocking is Equestria is speed running going from pre-18th century to post modern day exponentially fast is different ways.
<So what's the point about feminists?
There isn't time for them to exist, there is no reason for their existence, there is no factor that would be available for them to exist.
<Invaders of unpony kind
Same thing while there is many going to Equestria, for the school of friendship. They can't keep up with Equestria, the talented few who can can't do much outside of Equestria, or the school and under the hoof of the princesses.
<Femdom
So would females be dominant? Who knows, from indications it appears to be a wide array of personalities and preferences. The most common being roughly equal disposition.
>Ditzy Doo and the fatherless tiny poner
Who knows, maybe he died much like the Apple's parents. Infidelity seems unlikely (unless changelings can breed with ponies, sources view long term infiltration as highly unlikely).
Maybe an adoption at an orphanage (that also seems unlikely due to lack of seeing those). (However a childrens hospital is seen.) Needless to say the various references cause havoc for pinning anything down.
<Magic and the personal destiny
The various private issues build up and dissipate to (plot demands) give progression to self fulfillment and betterment, even if somepony has to be knocked down a peg or two justly or unjustly.
>>310673
So limitless magic turns to china cultivator stories. Where effort turns into power. How fast and how good is the stress point but it ends up like the above points.
>Raise many powerful potential magic users if one of them becomes super powerful hopefully that one will help you out in the future.
>Quantity is its own quality.
>>310672
<and option three
>it opens up new places to exist in
Not necessarily nice places, but new ones.
Another thing to consider with certain magic entails is the accumulation of only individual power and scale.
Where a single entity can do more than several worlds worth of people without.
Typically wise actions solves all the problems.
Magic (without wisdom) seems to be the fastest means to obtain a 'close enough' end state.
>>310664
>>310663
To quote a game series "Evil always finds a way."
Another issue is the vigilance of what is good. With either magic or technology the scale and scope of actions increases. The could outpaces the should due to the demand of wise considerations that can take time and effort.
Broad strokes covers many of the problems, but it also at times ignores the specificity of why those problems appear, and what is problematic about them.
Yet individually can ignore the wide reaching consequences (good or bad) that the single issue can spawn.
A middling perspective kinda gets what's going on, but misses the point on the broad and individual scale.
A majority of women have around the average IQ.
The social EQ makes up for that to an extent. As well as being deeply effected by anything. Even stupid crap, especially stupid bullshit.
But it would be remiss of me to say that some females, that is not the majority, have became superior through effort or genetics or disposition or a different way or a combination of any of the above.
As with many people the success and achievements tend to be lost in time which is a shame.
<back to poners
One massive difference is the subject of cutie marks, and the princesses.
The magic that negatively impacts everyone is offset with magic that positively impacts everyone, usually through soft preemptive measures of an intrinsic nature.
The ponies tend toward disharmony, yet strive towards harmony. Strive towards love, and friendship, despite the myriad of nation destroying magic being practically widely available.
>On feminism
Without the (((catalyst))) always at work the spiraling effect is not shown.
The health of the society at large appears heathy (until later episodes). Luna appears disrupting the status quo. Discord does relatively localized chaos. Cadence has a public wedding for reasons not yet known, and a direct subverting opponent appears. Sombra appears ect ect.
Now Twilight newest princess of Friendship with seemingly no experience takes the mantle in the time of chaos and interesting times.
Two things are going on, Discord and the Tree of Harmony. Both want to be active agents again. Discord tends to all forms of chaos and disharmony. The Tree of Harmony wants the highest ideals (ie the elements of Friendship) to be actualized.
Both can work together even if it doesn't seem as such even when it's in opposition.
So society is on the brink of collapse inside and outside all the time, but now the edge is getting closer and sharper. Partly (((creators vision and hasbro))) other part is the nature of ponies, and another part is learning and applying wisdom.
Now we're not done yet due to the age rating of the show and resources to create it the conception and sexual dynamics are not displayed as readily.
However the wide ranging cultures and personal familial cultures are all over the place. From one town to another it's extremely widely different.
At the very least there is pair bonded marriage at practice that is seen. However the wide variety of what is going on is an amplified condensed version of The US.
Except the frontier always keeps existing.
With that in mind prostitute clothing of the wild west is a thing as is Casa Nova. Neither is particularly shocking to the surrounding ponies.
What is shocking is Equestria is speed running going from pre-18th century to post modern day exponentially fast is different ways.
<So what's the point about feminists?
There isn't time for them to exist, there is no reason for their existence, there is no factor that would be available for them to exist.
<Invaders of unpony kind
Same thing while there is many going to Equestria, for the school of friendship. They can't keep up with Equestria, the talented few who can can't do much outside of Equestria, or the school and under the hoof of the princesses.
<Femdom
So would females be dominant? Who knows, from indications it appears to be a wide array of personalities and preferences. The most common being roughly equal disposition.
>Ditzy Doo and the fatherless tiny poner
Who knows, maybe he died much like the Apple's parents. Infidelity seems unlikely (unless changelings can breed with ponies, sources view long term infiltration as highly unlikely).
Maybe an adoption at an orphanage (that also seems unlikely due to lack of seeing those). (However a childrens hospital is seen.) Needless to say the various references cause havoc for pinning anything down.
<Magic and the personal destiny
The various private issues build up and dissipate to (plot demands) give progression to self fulfillment and betterment, even if somepony has to be knocked down a peg or two justly or unjustly.
If egg laying females could groe eggs within themselves for 40 days and lay them to hatch in 3 months, how would this affect women?
I hear lizards tend to develop a "the young must fend for themselves" mindset but I doubt a human intelligence or higher species would feel the same way about their offspring. Logically in a meritocratic society with upward social mobility every parent should want the best kids possibld.
I hear lizards tend to develop a "the young must fend for themselves" mindset but I doubt a human intelligence or higher species would feel the same way about their offspring. Logically in a meritocratic society with upward social mobility every parent should want the best kids possibld.
>>310684
>implying all eggs and children and species operate the same way
>meritocratic
>want the best really long term verse short term
>What is a baby boomer?
>What is selling your kin?
>What is a secret society that muderizes the spawn?
>What is ritual sacrifice?
>What is mutilation of children?
Come on now, you know there is a wider array of options no matter how awful.
>implying all eggs and children and species operate the same way
>meritocratic
>want the best really long term verse short term
>What is a baby boomer?
>What is selling your kin?
>What is a secret society that muderizes the spawn?
>What is ritual sacrifice?
>What is mutilation of children?
Come on now, you know there is a wider array of options no matter how awful.
>>310684
>how would this affect women?
Being placental mammals has shaped our society to an immeasurable degree. The fact that women need to be pregnant for nine momths and raise children for 18 years all the while needing protection and assistance from men, has been the backbone of our gender role system, our family units, our clans/tribes, and by extension the rest of society.
Creatures that bred differently might not even be recognizably human as far as society goes, despite their intelligence.
>how would this affect women?
Being placental mammals has shaped our society to an immeasurable degree. The fact that women need to be pregnant for nine momths and raise children for 18 years all the while needing protection and assistance from men, has been the backbone of our gender role system, our family units, our clans/tribes, and by extension the rest of society.
Creatures that bred differently might not even be recognizably human as far as society goes, despite their intelligence.
>>310686
>creatures that bred differently might even be recognizably human
That's the major issue at play here. When it comes to this topic, you're going to necessarily base it all off how humans operate. Otherwise, it's pure guesswork as far as an intelligent species whose women grow eggs and lay them before hatching quickly. That situation doesn't even imply female dominance anyway, only that perhaps every individual child would be viewed as less valuable by the intelligent species and they would model their society accordingly. If it ended up as "every parent should want the best kids possible", it might even end up that the mothers and fathers just murder the obvious weaker young since they spawn so many at once. Even in a structured, civilized society.
>>310665
Your face-sitting centrism disgusts me.
>creatures that bred differently might even be recognizably human
That's the major issue at play here. When it comes to this topic, you're going to necessarily base it all off how humans operate. Otherwise, it's pure guesswork as far as an intelligent species whose women grow eggs and lay them before hatching quickly. That situation doesn't even imply female dominance anyway, only that perhaps every individual child would be viewed as less valuable by the intelligent species and they would model their society accordingly. If it ended up as "every parent should want the best kids possible", it might even end up that the mothers and fathers just murder the obvious weaker young since they spawn so many at once. Even in a structured, civilized society.
>>310665
Your face-sitting centrism disgusts me.
>be me
>allow horse to sit on my face
>days later society crumbles somehow
>allow horse to sit on my face
>days later society crumbles somehow
>>310713
>be you in good society
>trust waifu to sit on your face in private
>society is fine
>be you in shit society
>there are no waifus
>abusive mares feel entitled to sit on your face and take your money and do whatever they want
>society sucks
>be you in good society
>trust waifu to sit on your face in private
>society is fine
>be you in shit society
>there are no waifus
>abusive mares feel entitled to sit on your face and take your money and do whatever they want
>society sucks
Regardless of species, we can all agree smoking tobacco is for degenerate subhumans and any society that actually seeks to protect the health of its citizens from the degenerate habits of past generations and second hand smokers would forbid it entirely. Is there anything more pathetic than an elderly smoker that wants to die but is too much of a pussy to pick any way besides the slow path of instant gratification that harms the health of others around you? Laws against rape make sense if you want to live in a society where rape is illegal. Laws against degeneracy make sense if you don't want to live in a degenerate society. Smoking is inherently degenerate and without health benefits, you literally pay jews to poison you and harm the environment and pollute the air and waste farmland that could be used for food or plants useful to the medical industry. There's a reason why it was one of the first degenerate acts jews pushed onto mankind, and especially womankind. I bet humanity never would have considered accepting homosexuality if they hadn't been conditioned into craving and defending tobacco. I love freedom as much as the next man that wants to be free but laws against tobacco would push it underground and prevent cunts from smoking in public/around their families. If laws against public fornication make sense, so do laws against consuming faggoted deathsticks.
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>>310431
>Is it degenerate
Yes, I'd say so, most certainly. I really don't even know how to begin, because it's a wildly complicated matter and it's not something that's easily perceptible unless you're looking for it. Perhaps the short way of putting it is that women (the feminine) conquer(s) via passive aggressiveness, emotional exploitation, selectively channeling social and collective attitudes, unrestrained or hyper-restrained passions and sex, whereas men (the masculine) conquer(s) via calculating logic, resourcefulness, overt aggression and brute force. There have been many books written that touch upon this theme, see One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, A Clockwork Orange, Infinite Jest is a good one, Fight Club, hell, even Uncle Ted's works, etc. etc. We have most certainly been warned about this general principle, and it's here.
It doesn't always have to do with degeneracy specifically, either, since the proto-cancel culture of the right back in the 90s was trying to get DnD banned for Satanic imagery, along with metal bands, the formation of an overprotective (towards women) sex offender registry, an excuse for mass incarceration instead of treatments due to a violent rejection of drug users from the social milieu, et cetera. 4chan went to shit because they have an oppressively feminine force there too in the form of jannies, most of this generation grew up hearing the chiding of schoolmarms instead of learning tools of their respective trades, children of single mothers (an increasing demographic) undergo massive hardships growing up, and on and on.
>>310432
And It's not something you can just keep in the bedroom, either. They'll sniff out that weakness and exploit it on an intuitive level (this is the reason we see so many trannies nowadays, the subculture has a massive femdom bent in general and people are being fed poison to kill their masculine persona based on a kink). The cultural Rape of the West would not have happened were it not for giving women too much power, period. Not in the bedroom, not out of it, just in general. Picrelated explains that women tend to seek out emotional relations with someone, whereas men seek to spread their seed as much as possible; it is through these emotional channels that women tend to subvert the minds of otherwise pure and healthy men (young or otherwise, sickeningly enough) by demanding they focus on petty details and nagging at them to provide for their (the woman's, not the man's) children; encouraging them to give up on their dreams because it's not something they could ever hope to understand. You can bet they'll constantly try to have it both ways, be passive aggressive about it, as well as shortsighted, and slowly chip away at a man's sanity, until there's really nothing left of him anymore and his aggression comes out in only the semi-approved ways according to the woman (don't get me started on Nietzsche's demise and that of the doctor Semmelweiss). Forming emotionally manipulative relationships without putting out, as it were, and taking advantage of their psyche with the occasional erotic hint of sex. And in case that wasn't enough, they don't want you to have pony or crypto, whether they overtly admit it or more often don't. Their words tend to mean nothing, I invite you instead to look at their actions.
Trust with women is a good thing, provided that she's trustworthy. Though a large reason why the frontier was so popular is because it provided an opportunity to get away from the big city and nagging in general. She's always going to try some sneaky BS on you, and you're always gonna have to be ready to beat her back at a moment's notice, whenever she's around. Give her any substantive ground, in the bedroom or out of it, and she'll never leave it, because she's too petty to understand that in the grand scheme of things, it's better for her to step off anyway. Nothing, I repeat nothing, is going to convince her otherwise (with words) if she's petty enough.
The good news being that it's something that can be overcome, if only one could find enough space to distance oneself from that kind of behavior. I'm not going to go all feminist here and nag about it, but it would likely be better for a poner's sake if they could ditch that kink, should that be something anyponer is struggling with. I am of the strong opinion that this sort of behavior in general, feminine domination of the masculine, is probably one of the biggest threats facing the West and the world in general today. Seasteading perhaps being one of the only hopes we've got left, before going to the Moon and Mars. Invasions of privacy by busybodies has been happening for many decades now, and it's a losing battle. Say what you will about the kikes or megacorps, they tend to employ these kinds of tactics anyway, ie Big Pharma and Big Tech spying on you and poisoning you and smothering you.
>Is it degenerate
Yes, I'd say so, most certainly. I really don't even know how to begin, because it's a wildly complicated matter and it's not something that's easily perceptible unless you're looking for it. Perhaps the short way of putting it is that women (the feminine) conquer(s) via passive aggressiveness, emotional exploitation, selectively channeling social and collective attitudes, unrestrained or hyper-restrained passions and sex, whereas men (the masculine) conquer(s) via calculating logic, resourcefulness, overt aggression and brute force. There have been many books written that touch upon this theme, see One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, A Clockwork Orange, Infinite Jest is a good one, Fight Club, hell, even Uncle Ted's works, etc. etc. We have most certainly been warned about this general principle, and it's here.
It doesn't always have to do with degeneracy specifically, either, since the proto-cancel culture of the right back in the 90s was trying to get DnD banned for Satanic imagery, along with metal bands, the formation of an overprotective (towards women) sex offender registry, an excuse for mass incarceration instead of treatments due to a violent rejection of drug users from the social milieu, et cetera. 4chan went to shit because they have an oppressively feminine force there too in the form of jannies, most of this generation grew up hearing the chiding of schoolmarms instead of learning tools of their respective trades, children of single mothers (an increasing demographic) undergo massive hardships growing up, and on and on.
>>310432
And It's not something you can just keep in the bedroom, either. They'll sniff out that weakness and exploit it on an intuitive level (this is the reason we see so many trannies nowadays, the subculture has a massive femdom bent in general and people are being fed poison to kill their masculine persona based on a kink). The cultural Rape of the West would not have happened were it not for giving women too much power, period. Not in the bedroom, not out of it, just in general. Picrelated explains that women tend to seek out emotional relations with someone, whereas men seek to spread their seed as much as possible; it is through these emotional channels that women tend to subvert the minds of otherwise pure and healthy men (young or otherwise, sickeningly enough) by demanding they focus on petty details and nagging at them to provide for their (the woman's, not the man's) children; encouraging them to give up on their dreams because it's not something they could ever hope to understand. You can bet they'll constantly try to have it both ways, be passive aggressive about it, as well as shortsighted, and slowly chip away at a man's sanity, until there's really nothing left of him anymore and his aggression comes out in only the semi-approved ways according to the woman (don't get me started on Nietzsche's demise and that of the doctor Semmelweiss). Forming emotionally manipulative relationships without putting out, as it were, and taking advantage of their psyche with the occasional erotic hint of sex. And in case that wasn't enough, they don't want you to have pony or crypto, whether they overtly admit it or more often don't. Their words tend to mean nothing, I invite you instead to look at their actions.
Trust with women is a good thing, provided that she's trustworthy. Though a large reason why the frontier was so popular is because it provided an opportunity to get away from the big city and nagging in general. She's always going to try some sneaky BS on you, and you're always gonna have to be ready to beat her back at a moment's notice, whenever she's around. Give her any substantive ground, in the bedroom or out of it, and she'll never leave it, because she's too petty to understand that in the grand scheme of things, it's better for her to step off anyway. Nothing, I repeat nothing, is going to convince her otherwise (with words) if she's petty enough.
The good news being that it's something that can be overcome, if only one could find enough space to distance oneself from that kind of behavior. I'm not going to go all feminist here and nag about it, but it would likely be better for a poner's sake if they could ditch that kink, should that be something anyponer is struggling with. I am of the strong opinion that this sort of behavior in general, feminine domination of the masculine, is probably one of the biggest threats facing the West and the world in general today. Seasteading perhaps being one of the only hopes we've got left, before going to the Moon and Mars. Invasions of privacy by busybodies has been happening for many decades now, and it's a losing battle. Say what you will about the kikes or megacorps, they tend to employ these kinds of tactics anyway, ie Big Pharma and Big Tech spying on you and poisoning you and smothering you.
>>310765
>brute force
Force. The Confederate South wielding more strategic finesse than the North, yet having a distinctive culture of honor that was seen as barbaric by their Yankee counterparts. Though Sherman's march was brutal. You get the idea, I hope.
>brute force
Force. The Confederate South wielding more strategic finesse than the North, yet having a distinctive culture of honor that was seen as barbaric by their Yankee counterparts. Though Sherman's march was brutal. You get the idea, I hope.
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>>310765
>Seasteading
Yo ho, yo ho, it's a pirate's life for Pinkie.
We could also make it out to Antarctica, in case that fucker ever decides to warm up. Siberia's about to be colonized en masse, IIRC, and though the respective places may be small by comparison to the American Frontier, it's all that's left before getting squeezed out towards the stars, and use might as well be made of it.
>Inb4 navies, drones, starlink
Yeah, I might have to think about that one a bit more. Never said there would be complete separation from the old world.
>Seasteading
Yo ho, yo ho, it's a pirate's life for Pinkie.
We could also make it out to Antarctica, in case that fucker ever decides to warm up. Siberia's about to be colonized en masse, IIRC, and though the respective places may be small by comparison to the American Frontier, it's all that's left before getting squeezed out towards the stars, and use might as well be made of it.
>Inb4 navies, drones, starlink
Yeah, I might have to think about that one a bit more. Never said there would be complete separation from the old world.
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>>310779
What's beautiful is that a truly meritocratic system lets the good prosper while letting the mentally inferior(women) fail at competing with men, forcing them to find jobs men don't want/find jobs women can handle/find jobs that don't get in the way of driven men without jews holding them back. It also lets the genetically inferior (retards, niggers, etc) rise to their level of failure, either finding jobs not even they could fuck up or failing to afford the price of remaining in the nation and having to fuck off home. Good laws forbid crimes and punish rapists/thieves/unjustified murderers with jail time or death for being active detriments to society, but there is no mechanism for society to remove those useless and passively detrimental to society. Not if society insists on feeding absolutely everyone, even useless eaters. Why should any government make breeding more affordable to useless eaters than it is for the working class? A society that wants hard workers would eventually run out of hard workers if it entirely rejected "soft eugenics" programs that help the best reproduce more than the worst. The idea of eugenics conjures the jewish myth of nazis who "killed the disabled and poor and anyone who wasn't blonde and blue-eyed" in the heads of the brainwashed, but denying the reality of physical health makes a man ill. Denying the reality of societal health makes society ill. Denying the reality of race and racial health helps jews poison your race and harm its evolution.
Fair systems designed to let the smartest rise up and progressively control more capital than others for the sake of ensuring those with the most capital know what they're doing, while idiotic mistakes cost the rich their money+power+ability to make costly mistakes for themselves and others, that's what capitalism is supposed to be, and what it becomes without double penetration from govt-assisted multinational jewish megacorp interference.
This is why the jew fights so hard to sabotage meritocracy and rig it for the benefit of the narcissistic, the weaponized inferiors, the useful (to jews) idiots, the agitators against humanity and the possibility of functional universal humanism. This is why the jews print money and award it to themselves and their banks and their ethnostate. Whites are superior. We can survive despite their best efforts and their evil plans to progressively make us more into slaves each year rely on this. But we shouldn't have to survive under their rule, we should be free. We should be the masters of this world and this universe, not parasites. We don't need policies holding the lessers down for our benefit (although I certainly wouldn't be ideologically opposed to those after the shit they've pulled on us for being so merciful, understanding, generous, patient, idealistic, and foolishly tolerant!)
It's kind of funny. "Progressive" policies are idiotic from a utilitarian perspective because they are designed to harm a civilization's capacity to produce plenty, encourage greatness, and let the best rise to their level of competence. Prioritizing nonwhiteness over ability is progressive, but not logically humanist aka as utilitarian as the circumstances force you to be. Under the guise of "Universal humanism" they advocate for treating those less capable of acting human and becoming great humans with kid gloves and low expectations. The healthy shouldn't be forced to break their backs for the sake of the incurably sick, useless, and worse. They can donate to charities designed to help charity cases if they want to, but that should be optional. Optional charity donations and individual charity organizations can do more good than overpriced non-optional taxpayer-funded government programs.
What's beautiful is that a truly meritocratic system lets the good prosper while letting the mentally inferior(women) fail at competing with men, forcing them to find jobs men don't want/find jobs women can handle/find jobs that don't get in the way of driven men without jews holding them back. It also lets the genetically inferior (retards, niggers, etc) rise to their level of failure, either finding jobs not even they could fuck up or failing to afford the price of remaining in the nation and having to fuck off home. Good laws forbid crimes and punish rapists/thieves/unjustified murderers with jail time or death for being active detriments to society, but there is no mechanism for society to remove those useless and passively detrimental to society. Not if society insists on feeding absolutely everyone, even useless eaters. Why should any government make breeding more affordable to useless eaters than it is for the working class? A society that wants hard workers would eventually run out of hard workers if it entirely rejected "soft eugenics" programs that help the best reproduce more than the worst. The idea of eugenics conjures the jewish myth of nazis who "killed the disabled and poor and anyone who wasn't blonde and blue-eyed" in the heads of the brainwashed, but denying the reality of physical health makes a man ill. Denying the reality of societal health makes society ill. Denying the reality of race and racial health helps jews poison your race and harm its evolution.
Fair systems designed to let the smartest rise up and progressively control more capital than others for the sake of ensuring those with the most capital know what they're doing, while idiotic mistakes cost the rich their money+power+ability to make costly mistakes for themselves and others, that's what capitalism is supposed to be, and what it becomes without double penetration from govt-assisted multinational jewish megacorp interference.
This is why the jew fights so hard to sabotage meritocracy and rig it for the benefit of the narcissistic, the weaponized inferiors, the useful (to jews) idiots, the agitators against humanity and the possibility of functional universal humanism. This is why the jews print money and award it to themselves and their banks and their ethnostate. Whites are superior. We can survive despite their best efforts and their evil plans to progressively make us more into slaves each year rely on this. But we shouldn't have to survive under their rule, we should be free. We should be the masters of this world and this universe, not parasites. We don't need policies holding the lessers down for our benefit (although I certainly wouldn't be ideologically opposed to those after the shit they've pulled on us for being so merciful, understanding, generous, patient, idealistic, and foolishly tolerant!)
It's kind of funny. "Progressive" policies are idiotic from a utilitarian perspective because they are designed to harm a civilization's capacity to produce plenty, encourage greatness, and let the best rise to their level of competence. Prioritizing nonwhiteness over ability is progressive, but not logically humanist aka as utilitarian as the circumstances force you to be. Under the guise of "Universal humanism" they advocate for treating those less capable of acting human and becoming great humans with kid gloves and low expectations. The healthy shouldn't be forced to break their backs for the sake of the incurably sick, useless, and worse. They can donate to charities designed to help charity cases if they want to, but that should be optional. Optional charity donations and individual charity organizations can do more good than overpriced non-optional taxpayer-funded government programs.
>>310786
Your take of the subject at hand requires more expensive and deeper wisdom. At a cursory glance it's fine, but forgets to account fully the human element in the entirety.
Each addition in systems is another point of potential failure. The multiple systems are required to balance it all, but the side effects must be considered fully in every way.
It's within certain IQ ranges problens occur of various kinds.
Low end is a generally nice and dedicated happy populace.
Going up increases the crime but not getting the whole crime is bad on a large scale.
Middle range is also the majority.
Little higher, and the most effected by signaling 'virtue' and propaganda are. The midwits.
Little higher than that personality effects happen some due to isolation and perceived intelligence. Also actual intelligence and social problems.
At the far ends there isn't enough data. Some are dicks. Getting that high of an IQ is a whole 'nother discussion.
The point isn't just intelligence. It's core values that cause success.
Effort, Grit, Gumption, Mental Prowess, Ableness, Negating Evils, The Elements of Friendship, Having Love, Being able to lead and to follow, to Learn and be the Teacher, to give and to recieve, to has an inquisitive expanding nature, to make better all that is, determination, teamwork, and Doing things. And more
IQ and EQ can help you do that, but without those traits it's meaningless.
Isolating the wrong traits cause untold damage.
Fact is the mixture of those traits in some areas and times create a healthy society.
At the top it's not just one man calling all the shots it's teams working in a social brain network doing tasks for the benefit of themselves and everyone else who matter.
A creature that was only made of eyes isn't as successful as something like a human.
Now the systems. A group of intelligent or groups following intelligent people (dead or alive) without those needed traits will cheat by all means to achieve their goals, putting themselves at the top regardless of merit or goodness or what is best for the individual or everyone in the short term or long term.
You have a problem. Everypony has their time and place to support everypony else. They have their skill sets and know how. They most definitely should expand them, but there is something that they are best at.
Without them society and their friends and family are extremely worse off without them.
Fenrir was and is a good dog, a wolf with a heart. The chains arn't slipped yet, but the heart has been pierced.
Meritocracy is an excellent system for people to bring out the best they are. When hostile antagonist forces are within or without dislodging them without the diagnosis of the issue means many think everything is fine, when key components are sick.
At any point of infection they can spread almost freely.
Because the society has no memory, no remembrance, and no self analysis of a meaningful kind.
Charity was and is an act of you going above and beyond for others within your means.
The knowledge of meta systems have been nearly lost. To have knowledge of large scale functioning and beautiful anything is nearly wiped out.
I hate to say this, but some genetic defects are useful is some times and places. That said removing and curing permanently those issues is paramount, but there is important and valuable experiences to be considered fully. Especially once those perspectives stop existing.
Capitalism has one goal to aquire value. (((They))) have made a false value of destruction so (((they))) can implement their goals.
Capitalism has eyes on one prize. It's effective and resistant as long as wise minds and attitudes prevail first and for most.
Your take of the subject at hand requires more expensive and deeper wisdom. At a cursory glance it's fine, but forgets to account fully the human element in the entirety.
Each addition in systems is another point of potential failure. The multiple systems are required to balance it all, but the side effects must be considered fully in every way.
It's within certain IQ ranges problens occur of various kinds.
Low end is a generally nice and dedicated happy populace.
Going up increases the crime but not getting the whole crime is bad on a large scale.
Middle range is also the majority.
Little higher, and the most effected by signaling 'virtue' and propaganda are. The midwits.
Little higher than that personality effects happen some due to isolation and perceived intelligence. Also actual intelligence and social problems.
At the far ends there isn't enough data. Some are dicks. Getting that high of an IQ is a whole 'nother discussion.
The point isn't just intelligence. It's core values that cause success.
Effort, Grit, Gumption, Mental Prowess, Ableness, Negating Evils, The Elements of Friendship, Having Love, Being able to lead and to follow, to Learn and be the Teacher, to give and to recieve, to has an inquisitive expanding nature, to make better all that is, determination, teamwork, and Doing things. And more
IQ and EQ can help you do that, but without those traits it's meaningless.
Isolating the wrong traits cause untold damage.
Fact is the mixture of those traits in some areas and times create a healthy society.
At the top it's not just one man calling all the shots it's teams working in a social brain network doing tasks for the benefit of themselves and everyone else who matter.
A creature that was only made of eyes isn't as successful as something like a human.
Now the systems. A group of intelligent or groups following intelligent people (dead or alive) without those needed traits will cheat by all means to achieve their goals, putting themselves at the top regardless of merit or goodness or what is best for the individual or everyone in the short term or long term.
You have a problem. Everypony has their time and place to support everypony else. They have their skill sets and know how. They most definitely should expand them, but there is something that they are best at.
Without them society and their friends and family are extremely worse off without them.
Fenrir was and is a good dog, a wolf with a heart. The chains arn't slipped yet, but the heart has been pierced.
Meritocracy is an excellent system for people to bring out the best they are. When hostile antagonist forces are within or without dislodging them without the diagnosis of the issue means many think everything is fine, when key components are sick.
At any point of infection they can spread almost freely.
Because the society has no memory, no remembrance, and no self analysis of a meaningful kind.
Charity was and is an act of you going above and beyond for others within your means.
The knowledge of meta systems have been nearly lost. To have knowledge of large scale functioning and beautiful anything is nearly wiped out.
I hate to say this, but some genetic defects are useful is some times and places. That said removing and curing permanently those issues is paramount, but there is important and valuable experiences to be considered fully. Especially once those perspectives stop existing.
Capitalism has one goal to aquire value. (((They))) have made a false value of destruction so (((they))) can implement their goals.
Capitalism has eyes on one prize. It's effective and resistant as long as wise minds and attitudes prevail first and for most.
>>310765
>They'll sniff out weaknesses
Can I not just assume that ponies are inherently more innocent and trustworthy than WAAAAAAAAmen?
>They'll sniff out weaknesses
Can I not just assume that ponies are inherently more innocent and trustworthy than WAAAAAAAAmen?
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>>310716
Deathsticks will always be cool and you proved nothing here other than emotional weakness. People were growing and smoking tobacco before Jews and their influence showed up anywhere and they are a proven method for boosting testosterone easily. You provided no proof to anything you said therefore you are a faggot pushing alternative weird vices. Nothing more, nothing less. Why do you think nicotine delivery, whether through cigarettes, cigars, or vapes, is constantly attacked via adverts and articificial campaigns but weed is legalized or pushed for legalization? Because nicotine is for men and weed destroys men and pumps them full of estrogen.
Enjoy the second-hand smoke cloud, faggot.
Deathsticks will always be cool and you proved nothing here other than emotional weakness. People were growing and smoking tobacco before Jews and their influence showed up anywhere and they are a proven method for boosting testosterone easily. You provided no proof to anything you said therefore you are a faggot pushing alternative weird vices. Nothing more, nothing less. Why do you think nicotine delivery, whether through cigarettes, cigars, or vapes, is constantly attacked via adverts and articificial campaigns but weed is legalized or pushed for legalization? Because nicotine is for men and weed destroys men and pumps them full of estrogen.
Enjoy the second-hand smoke cloud, faggot.
>>310808
>Because nicotine is for men
According to you. D'awww, are you mad because someone dissed your favourite addictive drug?
Imagine actually thinking something so cancerous belongs in a society that wants to be healthy.
>Because nicotine is for men
According to you. D'awww, are you mad because someone dissed your favourite addictive drug?
Imagine actually thinking something so cancerous belongs in a society that wants to be healthy.
>>310808
This tbh. The major health risks associable with smoking come from tailor-made 'brand' cigarettes that are LOADED with literal poison additives. Additive-free native tobacco is the way to go to get the best of nicotine
>best of nicotine
Nicotine is a very versatile chemical. It's a low-level muscle relaxant, bronchodilator, appetite suppressant, neuro-stimulant, and many more. Idk about testosterone booster, I'll have to look that up
This tbh. The major health risks associable with smoking come from tailor-made 'brand' cigarettes that are LOADED with literal poison additives. Additive-free native tobacco is the way to go to get the best of nicotine
>best of nicotine
Nicotine is a very versatile chemical. It's a low-level muscle relaxant, bronchodilator, appetite suppressant, neuro-stimulant, and many more. Idk about testosterone booster, I'll have to look that up
>>310808
Truth is, people call cigarrettes "fags" for a reason, fag.
It is possible to drink alcohol recreationally and responsibly.
But giving money to jewish tobacco companies is irresponsible. Smoking is irresponsible to your physical and genetic health, and the health of those around you. I bet your mother smoked and drank alcohol heavily when pregnant with you.
Are you a lolbertarian who thinks everyone should do weed and cigs and anal or something?
Truth is, people call cigarrettes "fags" for a reason, fag.
It is possible to drink alcohol recreationally and responsibly.
But giving money to jewish tobacco companies is irresponsible. Smoking is irresponsible to your physical and genetic health, and the health of those around you. I bet your mother smoked and drank alcohol heavily when pregnant with you.
Are you a lolbertarian who thinks everyone should do weed and cigs and anal or something?
>>310808
>People were growing and smoking tobacco before Jews and their influence showed up
This is nonsense. Jews were on the tobacco cash crop boat as soon as it set sail. They were some of the earliest tobacco growers, unless you're talking about the native Americans. They've been selling white men tobacco for as long as it's been profitable to sell.
>method for boosting testosterone easily
Only manchildren, trannies, insecure middle-aged men, and idiots who lost their balls in freak accidents need testosterone boosts from drugs. Your body, if healthy, produces plenty of testosterone naturally by itself. The easiest method to produce it is to just exercise and not eat junk food.
>Why do you think nicotine delivery, whether through cigarettes, cigars, or vapes, is constantly attacked via adverts and articificial campaigns
Fact of the matter is that a non-insignificant portion of those are pushed by nicotine companies themselves, who profit off of both selling cigs and selling addiction treatments.
>Weed is pushed for legalization
False dichotomy. Two things can be bad at once. Smoking is degenerate in any case, include weed. In either case it produces foul-smelling addicts with disgusting and expensive habits stinking up the place at the expense of anyone who has to breath the same air.
>>310841
There are far more effective ways to attain all of the benefits of everything you describe.
You are right on the note that cigarettes are full of unhealthy additives. If you're going to consume tobacco, better at least use cigars or something that hasn't been processed and filled with extra poisons.
>People were growing and smoking tobacco before Jews and their influence showed up
This is nonsense. Jews were on the tobacco cash crop boat as soon as it set sail. They were some of the earliest tobacco growers, unless you're talking about the native Americans. They've been selling white men tobacco for as long as it's been profitable to sell.
>method for boosting testosterone easily
Only manchildren, trannies, insecure middle-aged men, and idiots who lost their balls in freak accidents need testosterone boosts from drugs. Your body, if healthy, produces plenty of testosterone naturally by itself. The easiest method to produce it is to just exercise and not eat junk food.
>Why do you think nicotine delivery, whether through cigarettes, cigars, or vapes, is constantly attacked via adverts and articificial campaigns
Fact of the matter is that a non-insignificant portion of those are pushed by nicotine companies themselves, who profit off of both selling cigs and selling addiction treatments.
>Weed is pushed for legalization
False dichotomy. Two things can be bad at once. Smoking is degenerate in any case, include weed. In either case it produces foul-smelling addicts with disgusting and expensive habits stinking up the place at the expense of anyone who has to breath the same air.
>>310841
There are far more effective ways to attain all of the benefits of everything you describe.
You are right on the note that cigarettes are full of unhealthy additives. If you're going to consume tobacco, better at least use cigars or something that hasn't been processed and filled with extra poisons.
>>310855
>>310858
If it's a vice, it's degenerate, is a good rule of thumb. However, so would be kicking oneself for indulging in it, because that tends to get someone to go right back where they started and smoking or what-have-you. Defeating one's vices is a personal and spiritual journey that involves a lot of twists and turns, but removal of negative stimuli most often results in ditching them, at least in my own experience. It's a lot more about avoiding losses than seeking gains, you know. Cold or cool avoidance of degeneracy is key. You very often can't get out of a hole by digging.
>>310858
If it's a vice, it's degenerate, is a good rule of thumb. However, so would be kicking oneself for indulging in it, because that tends to get someone to go right back where they started and smoking or what-have-you. Defeating one's vices is a personal and spiritual journey that involves a lot of twists and turns, but removal of negative stimuli most often results in ditching them, at least in my own experience. It's a lot more about avoiding losses than seeking gains, you know. Cold or cool avoidance of degeneracy is key. You very often can't get out of a hole by digging.
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>>310855
A fag was a stick once upon a time.
Cigars have a whole history that if even a cursory look would provide you with something to say of interest.
Cigarettes (the little cigar) had those long sticks as a filter for half the crap they put into it.
>It is possible to do almost anything recreationally and responsibly.
And importantly there is the right way to do something and a fucking wrong way. That includes smoking.
Even when it's not the right thing to do having a knowledge of the topic provides more nuance on the why and how. especially if you want todestroy remove something
Processing your own whacky tobaccee would take about a year during the fermenting and barreling process all sorts of problems can happen.
Even growing the cash crop has its own hurdles.
Then actually rolling the cigar which the outside is made from the best leaves of tobacco, that survived the process, filled with good enough leaves (cigarettes use the crap ends). Keep in mind it has to be rolled by hand, and if it's fucked up it's a shit high end one use luxury product.
Then there is how one lights it, and cuts the end off, of savors it.
Then there is a whole social discourse on how to enjoy such a thing with grace.
Yeah (((they))) ruined men's gathering areas when ever and where ever they can.
Even if it's about something that'll ruin your life, because of how few years men have (now imagine the average lifespan way back when).
They stopped blowing smoke up people's asses (literally) because it fell out of fashion (by that I mean it wasn't paying dividends for their goals).
Oh, but remember alcohol ban in the US? For our own good?
That didn't work, so the multiple strategies changed.
Ah now then pipe tobacco is a whole 'nother story where various herbs and medicines where also included or outright replaced. A burning tea if you will.
Keep in mind you're not supposed to get it in your lungs at all.
A fag was a stick once upon a time.
Cigars have a whole history that if even a cursory look would provide you with something to say of interest.
Cigarettes (the little cigar) had those long sticks as a filter for half the crap they put into it.
>It is possible to do almost anything recreationally and responsibly.
And importantly there is the right way to do something and a fucking wrong way. That includes smoking.
Even when it's not the right thing to do having a knowledge of the topic provides more nuance on the why and how. especially if you want to
Processing your own whacky tobaccee would take about a year during the fermenting and barreling process all sorts of problems can happen.
Even growing the cash crop has its own hurdles.
Then actually rolling the cigar which the outside is made from the best leaves of tobacco, that survived the process, filled with good enough leaves (cigarettes use the crap ends). Keep in mind it has to be rolled by hand, and if it's fucked up it's a shit high end one use luxury product.
Then there is how one lights it, and cuts the end off, of savors it.
Then there is a whole social discourse on how to enjoy such a thing with grace.
Yeah (((they))) ruined men's gathering areas when ever and where ever they can.
Even if it's about something that'll ruin your life, because of how few years men have (now imagine the average lifespan way back when).
They stopped blowing smoke up people's asses (literally) because it fell out of fashion (by that I mean it wasn't paying dividends for their goals).
Oh, but remember alcohol ban in the US? For our own good?
That didn't work, so the multiple strategies changed.
Ah now then pipe tobacco is a whole 'nother story where various herbs and medicines where also included or outright replaced. A burning tea if you will.
Keep in mind you're not supposed to get it in your lungs at all.
>>310863
>Yeah (((they))) ruined men's gathering areas when ever and where ever they can.
The removal of male-only gathering places, like legitimate bars and men's clubs, was a huge blow. There you could have other men to not only blow off steam with, but to reign you in and keep you drinking and/or smoking responsibly. No women around to interfere and cause fights over their attention either.
Honestly, the stress of having no escape isn't helping mens' lifespans anymore than overindulgence in vices like smoking or drinking.
>>310715
>be you in femdom society
>assigned mistress mare sits on your face when you awake
>mailmare sits on your face in front lawn before giving mail
>waitress mare sits on your face before she will give you breakfast
>boss mare sits on your face before giving you pink slip
>landmare sits on your face before evicting you
>tfw when homeless and can't qualify for face-sitting welfare because you're not a zigger
>Yeah (((they))) ruined men's gathering areas when ever and where ever they can.
The removal of male-only gathering places, like legitimate bars and men's clubs, was a huge blow. There you could have other men to not only blow off steam with, but to reign you in and keep you drinking and/or smoking responsibly. No women around to interfere and cause fights over their attention either.
Honestly, the stress of having no escape isn't helping mens' lifespans anymore than overindulgence in vices like smoking or drinking.
>>310715
>be you in femdom society
>assigned mistress mare sits on your face when you awake
>mailmare sits on your face in front lawn before giving mail
>waitress mare sits on your face before she will give you breakfast
>boss mare sits on your face before giving you pink slip
>landmare sits on your face before evicting you
>tfw when homeless and can't qualify for face-sitting welfare because you're not a zigger
>>310863
>Oh, but remember alcohol ban in the US? For our own good?
Prohibition was the first red flag of WAAAAAmen getting involved with politics. It was pioneered by housewives who saw it as the cause of domestic violence (and themselves as the victims), and even though they couldn't even vote at the time, they tipped the scales enough to change our constitution.
>Oh, but remember alcohol ban in the US? For our own good?
Prohibition was the first red flag of WAAAAAmen getting involved with politics. It was pioneered by housewives who saw it as the cause of domestic violence (and themselves as the victims), and even though they couldn't even vote at the time, they tipped the scales enough to change our constitution.
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>>310998
>Prohibition
Yeah that was a disaster, and the prohibition movement was spearheaded by naggy women that couldn't see that guys would just find ways to drink anyway if they wanted to, as in do business with the fucking mob, and has been continued by the women of MAAD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving), which started out in opposition to what it claimed at first in the 80s or thereabouts due to a horrific accident involving a schoolbus and a drunk in a truck, and then spiraled out of control into a neo-prohibitionist movement that demanded the drinking age be re-raised to 21 after it had already been lowered to 18 for the boys going off to Vietnam, and the original woman that started the movement got ousted because she was starting to question whether or not her girlfriends were going too far, as per fucking usual.
>Prohibition
Yeah that was a disaster, and the prohibition movement was spearheaded by naggy women that couldn't see that guys would just find ways to drink anyway if they wanted to, as in do business with the fucking mob, and has been continued by the women of MAAD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving), which started out in opposition to what it claimed at first in the 80s or thereabouts due to a horrific accident involving a schoolbus and a drunk in a truck, and then spiraled out of control into a neo-prohibitionist movement that demanded the drinking age be re-raised to 21 after it had already been lowered to 18 for the boys going off to Vietnam, and the original woman that started the movement got ousted because she was starting to question whether or not her girlfriends were going too far, as per fucking usual.
>>311006
On a more serious note, giving women power is just bad news, as they will not be able to see past their own nose and, instead of take an exception with the mindset that it could prove the rule, claim that since a man made, such as this one in fact, a generalized statement that sounded universal, that must disprove his whole worldview because she has raging levels of hormones, and long story short is pretty much how we got to Clown World in the first place.
On a more serious note, giving women power is just bad news, as they will not be able to see past their own nose and, instead of take an exception with the mindset that it could prove the rule, claim that since a man made, such as this one in fact, a generalized statement that sounded universal, that must disprove his whole worldview because she has raging levels of hormones, and long story short is pretty much how we got to Clown World in the first place.
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