I want to start an anti-porn movement.
Yeah I know most of you are cringing already but hear me out.
Not all porn is bad, and I'm not against porn entirely. But porn has become so normalized that its destructive and disruptive to society. Along with harming fandoms and every other corner of the Internet.
/pol/ is about being anti-culture, right? Well porn has become the new norm. Kids are taught about gay sex at the age of 5 in some places. Porn is used as a weapon in foreign countries because it lowers productivity.
Even Twitter had an anti-meltdown calling #NoFap and #NoNutNovember racist, sexist and most other terms. "We need rapists to watch porn otherwise they'll go out and do it in real life!"
You don't have to like this example, but is it any surprise anthro MLP SFM animations are the biggest thing being produced out of this fandom? It's easy to produce and people pay big money out of their own pocket for commissions, similar to SIMPs. In fact I'd bet it's even the same part of the brain that triggers in SIMPs in the way Commissionfags pay big money. Worshipping porn artists like gods, just like SIMPs and women.
Porn has gone form a minority and something of a "Dark part of the Internet" to a 'yep there's porn you'll probably see porn most of the time'
And Governments are taking notice, multiple governments around the world are trying to implement much tougher internet restrictions because of the widespreadness and accessability of porn.
Both Anime and MLP are plagued with lolifags, is it any wonder the most popular artist is Shino, the same guy who draws mostly Apogee porn, and Apogee has become the new fandom mascot? What message does that give to normies?
This is not a point to stop porn or to stop fapping, feel free to do that but if you value society help spread propaganda against porn. Imagine a day when the most depraved people on the Internet are the ones pushing for more Online purity.
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>>260044
Funny, i was arguing about apogee not too long ago.
Porn degenerates society and makes it easier to control indeed.
Making edits of the coomer and generally making people self conscious about their fapping schedule seems to work at some extent but i would dare to say there is a deeper issue making people coonsume so much porn.
Getting them to stop faping surely would be a start.
Funny, i was arguing about apogee not too long ago.
Porn degenerates society and makes it easier to control indeed.
Making edits of the coomer and generally making people self conscious about their fapping schedule seems to work at some extent but i would dare to say there is a deeper issue making people coonsume so much porn.
Getting them to stop faping surely would be a start.
Reminder to put on ya bootstraps and get good at nofap!
I think the most we could do is go after (((porn film producers))) and lock them up or execute them. We should also make pony/cartoon porn a propaganda weapon against human film porn.
I think the most we could do is go after (((porn film producers))) and lock them up or execute them. We should also make pony/cartoon porn a propaganda weapon against human film porn.
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>porn has become so normalized that its destructive and disruptive to society
Porn is the spores of degeneracy. Degeneracy causes porn to be produced, and the porn causes degeneracy to spread if it finds itself in a favourable environment.
>pushing for more Online purity
is certainly the best way, but requires some powerful self-spreading-idea magic
Simply equating posters of porn to jews might be worth a try, but I don't know if I wanna tear down rule 10.
Porn is the spores of degeneracy. Degeneracy causes porn to be produced, and the porn causes degeneracy to spread if it finds itself in a favourable environment.
>pushing for more Online purity
is certainly the best way, but requires some powerful self-spreading-idea magic
Simply equating posters of porn to jews might be worth a try, but I don't know if I wanna tear down rule 10.
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>Apogee has become the new fandom mascot?
I was actually being semi-hyperbolic when I said this, but then this came out.
I was actually being semi-hyperbolic when I said this, but then this came out.
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>>260044
I actually more or less agree with you. However, I think that "porn" is a rather broad category, and I also think trying to reduce it to a binary argument of "porn should be allowed" versus "porn should not be allowed" oversimplifies the issue.
MLP-related porn, and the broader category of hand-drawn (or 3D animated) R34 type stuff based on fictional properties, I think falls into the category of fairly innocuous porn that causes little to no social harm. It's mostly niche pornography that appeals specifically to fans of the franchise, and has little appeal outside of the niche. You can also dismiss a fair amount of it as parody or humor although let's be honest here, we all know that most of us unironically wank to this stuff.
Anthro porn and humanized loli porn and things like that are considerably more disgusting, but it still falls within the category of niche appeal. "Commissions" are usually requested by a very small group of dedicated fans, and drawn by an even smaller dedicated group that churns this stuff out. A larger but still comparatively small group of orbiters lurk around communities like e621 and paheal to collect and categorize it. These are basically people who elevate hobby-related porn into a hobby of its own. I'm guessing most of us can probably say that we have a horsepussy folder somewhere on our hard drive, but also that our lives don't revolve around collecting, creating or consuming it as is the case for some.
You can probably compare niche pornography fandoms (furries, cloppers, people obsessed with weird fetishes like vore, etc) to habits like meth consumption or drinking moonshine. The people who draw this stuff are basically the guys who operate barnyard stills or basement meth labs, in that these are usually not large-scale mass-distribution operations, but small-time businesses created by people who are participants/addicts themselves, who sell mostly to a small number of dedicated clients. Is it healthy to be involved in something like this to the point that it consumes a major portion of your life? No, and there is arguably broader social harm if people's obsessions/addictions cause them to start doing antisocial things, for instance a lolicon addict who suddenly decides he needs the real thing and starts kidnapping children. However, I think that kind of thing is probably rare; most of these guys just commission art, trade it with each other, and jack off in their rooms, and their fetish rarely spreads to the general public. Your average normie, for instance, might have a vague idea what a furry is, but has probably never heard of e621.
Porn in general, though, I think has become a broad social problem, and the coomer epidemic is real. Ordinary human on human porn has much broader appeal than anthro-futa-MLP-Pokemon-crossover gangbang smut, and I think the easy availability of it combined with the other problems created by the sexual revolution has created a situation where a large number of men become addicted to porn both as a substitute for real relationships and as an escape from the general shittiness of everyday life. The porn industry, in this case, is comparable to large-scale drug operations like the Mexican cartel, who flood communities with meth and create addicts out of people who otherwise would never have tried it.
I was a teenager in the late 90s and didn't even have an internet connection until I was in 10th grade. Even then it was dial up, so if I wanted to see porn it meant I had to wait until everyone was asleep, and usually spend a couple hours waiting for a 30-second low-resolution clip to download. My first exposure to hardcore porn was a VHS tape my friend stole from his parents' room, of a movie that was copyrighted in 1981. That tape became our most precious possession; we used to fight over who got to keep it and for how long. Apart from that, I mostly remember wanking to swimsuit and lingerie ads in the newspaper, or just using my imagination most of the time.
I actually find it really hard to imagine growing up in a world where you can just instantly access literal gigabytes of hardcore porn on a phone, but I can't imagine this shit is in any way healthy. Considering how obsessed I remember being with the little bits and snippets of porn I was able to get hold of as a teenager (and how much trouble I went through to get it), I can easily see how it could take over a susceptible person and warp their mind, particularly if that person is as socially autistic as I was and still am.
In general though I think the coomer epidemic is just a symptom of a larger social decline. A society with a good moral foundation can afford to tolerate a little degeneracy on the fringes, as long as it stays discreet and contained; it's only a problem if it goes mainstream. It's the same thing as with the gay rights stuff. Homosexuals don't really cause that much trouble if they keep their behavior private and stay in their little districts, but once it gets to the point where you've got pride parades on every street and trannies waving their dicks at children and so forth, normies begin to realize that there's a reason we used to make these people stay in the closet.
Anyway, I think it's a waste of time and resources to try and completely eliminate porn, but I do think the commercial porn industry should be shut down. Maybe just make it a crime to produce it commercially or sell it, and then push it off of mainstream sites and into fringe corners of the internet like this place, where people would have to be looking for it in order to find it.
I actually more or less agree with you. However, I think that "porn" is a rather broad category, and I also think trying to reduce it to a binary argument of "porn should be allowed" versus "porn should not be allowed" oversimplifies the issue.
MLP-related porn, and the broader category of hand-drawn (or 3D animated) R34 type stuff based on fictional properties, I think falls into the category of fairly innocuous porn that causes little to no social harm. It's mostly niche pornography that appeals specifically to fans of the franchise, and has little appeal outside of the niche. You can also dismiss a fair amount of it as parody or humor although let's be honest here, we all know that most of us unironically wank to this stuff.
Anthro porn and humanized loli porn and things like that are considerably more disgusting, but it still falls within the category of niche appeal. "Commissions" are usually requested by a very small group of dedicated fans, and drawn by an even smaller dedicated group that churns this stuff out. A larger but still comparatively small group of orbiters lurk around communities like e621 and paheal to collect and categorize it. These are basically people who elevate hobby-related porn into a hobby of its own. I'm guessing most of us can probably say that we have a horsepussy folder somewhere on our hard drive, but also that our lives don't revolve around collecting, creating or consuming it as is the case for some.
You can probably compare niche pornography fandoms (furries, cloppers, people obsessed with weird fetishes like vore, etc) to habits like meth consumption or drinking moonshine. The people who draw this stuff are basically the guys who operate barnyard stills or basement meth labs, in that these are usually not large-scale mass-distribution operations, but small-time businesses created by people who are participants/addicts themselves, who sell mostly to a small number of dedicated clients. Is it healthy to be involved in something like this to the point that it consumes a major portion of your life? No, and there is arguably broader social harm if people's obsessions/addictions cause them to start doing antisocial things, for instance a lolicon addict who suddenly decides he needs the real thing and starts kidnapping children. However, I think that kind of thing is probably rare; most of these guys just commission art, trade it with each other, and jack off in their rooms, and their fetish rarely spreads to the general public. Your average normie, for instance, might have a vague idea what a furry is, but has probably never heard of e621.
Porn in general, though, I think has become a broad social problem, and the coomer epidemic is real. Ordinary human on human porn has much broader appeal than anthro-futa-MLP-Pokemon-crossover gangbang smut, and I think the easy availability of it combined with the other problems created by the sexual revolution has created a situation where a large number of men become addicted to porn both as a substitute for real relationships and as an escape from the general shittiness of everyday life. The porn industry, in this case, is comparable to large-scale drug operations like the Mexican cartel, who flood communities with meth and create addicts out of people who otherwise would never have tried it.
I was a teenager in the late 90s and didn't even have an internet connection until I was in 10th grade. Even then it was dial up, so if I wanted to see porn it meant I had to wait until everyone was asleep, and usually spend a couple hours waiting for a 30-second low-resolution clip to download. My first exposure to hardcore porn was a VHS tape my friend stole from his parents' room, of a movie that was copyrighted in 1981. That tape became our most precious possession; we used to fight over who got to keep it and for how long. Apart from that, I mostly remember wanking to swimsuit and lingerie ads in the newspaper, or just using my imagination most of the time.
I actually find it really hard to imagine growing up in a world where you can just instantly access literal gigabytes of hardcore porn on a phone, but I can't imagine this shit is in any way healthy. Considering how obsessed I remember being with the little bits and snippets of porn I was able to get hold of as a teenager (and how much trouble I went through to get it), I can easily see how it could take over a susceptible person and warp their mind, particularly if that person is as socially autistic as I was and still am.
In general though I think the coomer epidemic is just a symptom of a larger social decline. A society with a good moral foundation can afford to tolerate a little degeneracy on the fringes, as long as it stays discreet and contained; it's only a problem if it goes mainstream. It's the same thing as with the gay rights stuff. Homosexuals don't really cause that much trouble if they keep their behavior private and stay in their little districts, but once it gets to the point where you've got pride parades on every street and trannies waving their dicks at children and so forth, normies begin to realize that there's a reason we used to make these people stay in the closet.
Anyway, I think it's a waste of time and resources to try and completely eliminate porn, but I do think the commercial porn industry should be shut down. Maybe just make it a crime to produce it commercially or sell it, and then push it off of mainstream sites and into fringe corners of the internet like this place, where people would have to be looking for it in order to find it.
>>260056
The Renaissance was actually a fairly degenerate time period. The Italian city states tended to have a lot of the same problems that our modern cities have (minus all the complications from racial diversity, of course): high crime, diseases spreading, rampant sexual immorality and so forth. The art of the period, as well as a lot of the humanist philosophy that was budding around this time, reflects some of this.
You know, now that I look closely at this painting, that chick is a little weirdly drawn. Her head is way too small, she has freakishly long arms, her left shoulder looks broken or dislocated, and she has weirdly flat tits. Imagine that thing lumbering towards you in the middle of the night.
The Renaissance was actually a fairly degenerate time period. The Italian city states tended to have a lot of the same problems that our modern cities have (minus all the complications from racial diversity, of course): high crime, diseases spreading, rampant sexual immorality and so forth. The art of the period, as well as a lot of the humanist philosophy that was budding around this time, reflects some of this.
You know, now that I look closely at this painting, that chick is a little weirdly drawn. Her head is way too small, she has freakishly long arms, her left shoulder looks broken or dislocated, and she has weirdly flat tits. Imagine that thing lumbering towards you in the middle of the night.
>>260044
>>260045
>>260056
>>260078
>>260106
The most damning part of porn is the subversive aspects that are baked into the mainstream wankfest.
While every once in a while the urge to just turn off the brain for a mindless wank, the subconscious picks up on details across multiple samples to put together a puzzle.
In this case the (((directors))) of porn can guide swaths of those craving more into their way of thinking. How they want them to think, or behave.
Everything trickles down like the chemicals in the water turning the fricken frogs gay. It leeches into other activities, but especially other forms of porn.
To remove, or even counter the influence that is being enacted is a herculean task. It can be done though.
Not only can it be done, but redpills can be lain across to counter deception hiding away from truth.
If successful it will be sexy. They will flow through as the jew will try to stamp them out showing their hand once more in the deals they commit.
Memetic sexy red pills might be a possibility.
>>260110
Hmmm reminds me of this video in
>>>/vx/123426 →
The tldr Magic, and Science aren't inherently moral as it's possible to science or magic away the ethics of humanity. More or less.
Though the quest for power over nature is the fools quest to claim territory for the awaiting master to finally enslave man. As a faustian begin when the final step to take is done without great care and due diligence the end is near impossible to escape from.
>>260045
>>260056
>>260078
>>260106
The most damning part of porn is the subversive aspects that are baked into the mainstream wankfest.
While every once in a while the urge to just turn off the brain for a mindless wank, the subconscious picks up on details across multiple samples to put together a puzzle.
In this case the (((directors))) of porn can guide swaths of those craving more into their way of thinking. How they want them to think, or behave.
Everything trickles down like the chemicals in the water turning the fricken frogs gay. It leeches into other activities, but especially other forms of porn.
To remove, or even counter the influence that is being enacted is a herculean task. It can be done though.
Not only can it be done, but redpills can be lain across to counter deception hiding away from truth.
If successful it will be sexy. They will flow through as the jew will try to stamp them out showing their hand once more in the deals they commit.
Memetic sexy red pills might be a possibility.
>>260110
Hmmm reminds me of this video in
>>>/vx/123426 →
The tldr Magic, and Science aren't inherently moral as it's possible to science or magic away the ethics of humanity. More or less.
Though the quest for power over nature is the fools quest to claim territory for the awaiting master to finally enslave man. As a faustian begin when the final step to take is done without great care and due diligence the end is near impossible to escape from.
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>>260078
Tbh Anonfilly is up there too. I think Shino is popular because 1) he's skilled, 2) he's prolific, and 3) he's capable of humor and cute (which Apogee embodies) as well as lewd. Apogee would stand as a poner even if she wasn't lewded, so she's not on the same level as other characters which were made to be lewd, even if Shino draws her degenerately.
>>260056
There is quite a difference between art for the sake of beauty and "art" for the sake of carnal desire. In fact, it is extremely easy and rather reliable to tell through your initial reaction to a work. Also, Venus is being "modest" by demurely covering herself while she waits to be covered; it would be quite another matter if she were spreading her legs (which almost never happens at all in classical art). In the same way, I don't mind two types of NSFW art: that which is suggestive without being explicit (a character is in an inviting or embarrassing pose while covered, akin to old-fashioned pinup posters) and that which is explicit without being suggestive (a pony has realistic anatomy but it is not exaggerated or the focus of the work). Pics related for the two examples. Then again, the former counts as "soft pornography" so maybe I'm preaching weed while there's an opioid epidemic. In any case, it's apparent from upvotes on DB that those two types of art, or any high-quality SFW art is going to receive less attention and approval than clop-porn. You might be lucky and become featured or even a meme, but that is incredibly unlikely and it's far safer (for no artist is completely independent from the need for attention) to draw clop to give people their daily fix.
Anyway, I absolutely agree about pornography being too widespread. Perhaps that is the cycle every society faces: there is some forbidden pleasure limited to a dark corner, those who imbibe it proliferate, and eventually it becomes mainstream or barely veiled. Pornography is one of those things that never disappears entirely–even in the most draconian Muslim societies–because we all have a libido that, when one isn't happily married (hardly anyone is nowadays), drives us to voyeurism. So I don't think it could ever be adequately corralled by law but rather will require a full-scale moral overhaul that gets rid of modernism entirely.
3D pornography is arguably the worst blight, because it is pervasive (normies get drawn into it easily), controlled by Jews, and outside of a few stars leaves most of its participants to be husks of themselves (not to mention mentally retarded women getting roped into this). I would go so far as to say it is worse on an objective moral level as well, as consumption degrades a woman (in a spiritual sense, not the feminist sense) as well as the consoomer since he mentally sleeps with her when she's not his wife. Drawn porn at least lacks the worst of those characteristics, though the addition of fetishes will add other problems.
I'm not sure how porn in the MLP fandom has affected mindsets. I do believe that there is at least a weak drive towards bestiality with horses, the only saving grace being that there's a substantial jump in between fictional characters and real equines, and that such content often is hosted alongside other animals which will repulse any remaining moral fibre. My evidence for this is that in the early years nearly all pornography was "anatomically incorrect" and had human features; today nearly all clop-porn is anatomically correct and held to the standard of being as realistically drawn (while recognizable as MLP characters) as possible.
As for the development of anthro and other degenerate fetishes that have become commonplace, it's impossible to tell if this came about "naturally" as a progression within the fandom or whether furries introduced these diseases as they are wont to do. Quite a few "art"ists originally drew furry "art" and they took degeneracy with them like they do to anywhere else with drawn art.
Academic studies and propaganda are all well and good but getting people to read them is the hard part. The "Don't look at her" meme was quite successful and the Coomer meme even more so to ridicule the concept of being subservient to carnal desires. It's pretty much impossible to make a pro-pornography meme because one that's NSFW will make people pay attention to what's portrayed rather than the message, and one that's SFW will make people think "who cares?" Anti-pornography memes however poke fun at the industry, its consoomers and by extension the reader such that an inner conflict is started where he chooses to be what's ridiculed or not.
Tbh Anonfilly is up there too. I think Shino is popular because 1) he's skilled, 2) he's prolific, and 3) he's capable of humor and cute (which Apogee embodies) as well as lewd. Apogee would stand as a poner even if she wasn't lewded, so she's not on the same level as other characters which were made to be lewd, even if Shino draws her degenerately.
>>260056
There is quite a difference between art for the sake of beauty and "art" for the sake of carnal desire. In fact, it is extremely easy and rather reliable to tell through your initial reaction to a work. Also, Venus is being "modest" by demurely covering herself while she waits to be covered; it would be quite another matter if she were spreading her legs (which almost never happens at all in classical art). In the same way, I don't mind two types of NSFW art: that which is suggestive without being explicit (a character is in an inviting or embarrassing pose while covered, akin to old-fashioned pinup posters) and that which is explicit without being suggestive (a pony has realistic anatomy but it is not exaggerated or the focus of the work). Pics related for the two examples. Then again, the former counts as "soft pornography" so maybe I'm preaching weed while there's an opioid epidemic. In any case, it's apparent from upvotes on DB that those two types of art, or any high-quality SFW art is going to receive less attention and approval than clop-porn. You might be lucky and become featured or even a meme, but that is incredibly unlikely and it's far safer (for no artist is completely independent from the need for attention) to draw clop to give people their daily fix.
Anyway, I absolutely agree about pornography being too widespread. Perhaps that is the cycle every society faces: there is some forbidden pleasure limited to a dark corner, those who imbibe it proliferate, and eventually it becomes mainstream or barely veiled. Pornography is one of those things that never disappears entirely–even in the most draconian Muslim societies–because we all have a libido that, when one isn't happily married (hardly anyone is nowadays), drives us to voyeurism. So I don't think it could ever be adequately corralled by law but rather will require a full-scale moral overhaul that gets rid of modernism entirely.
3D pornography is arguably the worst blight, because it is pervasive (normies get drawn into it easily), controlled by Jews, and outside of a few stars leaves most of its participants to be husks of themselves (not to mention mentally retarded women getting roped into this). I would go so far as to say it is worse on an objective moral level as well, as consumption degrades a woman (in a spiritual sense, not the feminist sense) as well as the consoomer since he mentally sleeps with her when she's not his wife. Drawn porn at least lacks the worst of those characteristics, though the addition of fetishes will add other problems.
I'm not sure how porn in the MLP fandom has affected mindsets. I do believe that there is at least a weak drive towards bestiality with horses, the only saving grace being that there's a substantial jump in between fictional characters and real equines, and that such content often is hosted alongside other animals which will repulse any remaining moral fibre. My evidence for this is that in the early years nearly all pornography was "anatomically incorrect" and had human features; today nearly all clop-porn is anatomically correct and held to the standard of being as realistically drawn (while recognizable as MLP characters) as possible.
As for the development of anthro and other degenerate fetishes that have become commonplace, it's impossible to tell if this came about "naturally" as a progression within the fandom or whether furries introduced these diseases as they are wont to do. Quite a few "art"ists originally drew furry "art" and they took degeneracy with them like they do to anywhere else with drawn art.
Academic studies and propaganda are all well and good but getting people to read them is the hard part. The "Don't look at her" meme was quite successful and the Coomer meme even more so to ridicule the concept of being subservient to carnal desires. It's pretty much impossible to make a pro-pornography meme because one that's NSFW will make people pay attention to what's portrayed rather than the message, and one that's SFW will make people think "who cares?" Anti-pornography memes however poke fun at the industry, its consoomers and by extension the reader such that an inner conflict is started where he chooses to be what's ridiculed or not.
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>>260044
I wasn't cringing until you said not all porn is bad. None of it is a healthy expression of sexuality. All of it is bad.
I wasn't cringing until you said not all porn is bad. None of it is a healthy expression of sexuality. All of it is bad.
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>>260126
And their Footballs grew 3 sizes that day, with American held aloft along their shoulders or carried in mighty baskets of Football, and they did score 20 first downs, which they also carried in those baskets.
And their Footballs grew 3 sizes that day, with American held aloft along their shoulders or carried in mighty baskets of Football, and they did score 20 first downs, which they also carried in those baskets.
>>260119
>In fact, it is extremely easy and rather reliable to tell through your initial reaction to a work.
So, it's porn is someone is aroused by it? You DO realize that people have fapped to Lego models and floor tiles, right? Does that mean that the Lego Company and tile manufactures are guilty of producing porn?
<But, muh extreme and isolated cases
It doesn't matter, the moment you start cracking down on part of it, you're not going to stop until you crack down on ALL of it. Yes, you're going to start by cracking down on the degenerates doing the pride parades and having sex while on floats, but what happens once you get rid of that? The goal is to ban ALL PORN, so you then go after the adult stores that sell sex toys and porn. Then, you decide to go after the strip clubs which aren't porn (As they still have clothes on), but does "encourage" that type of action and provide that need. Then, once those are gone, you still have Victoria's Secret and every other lingerie shop because "How dare they openly promote sexuality". Then you have all the films, shows, games, books, etc. that depict sexual actions (Even through innuendos), which means you have to purge most of the libraries and archives as you have even Shakespeare shamelessly inserting sexual innuendos into his works. And, that's also leaving out the fact that you're neglecting the real problems, as all evidence as pointed to porn actually causing a drop in sexual assaults and crime and making people more "sympathetic" to those of the opposite sex, which means crime is going up in the area while you're going on your crusade. But, with this rise in crime and social problems, you still clearly haven't solved the problem, so you start going after anything and everything that could possibly ever make someone's dick hard or cause their pussy to get wet.
>In the same way, I don't mind two types of NSFW art: that which is suggestive without being explicit (a character is in an inviting or embarrassing pose while covered, akin to old-fashioned pinup posters) and that which is explicit without being suggestive (a pony has realistic anatomy but it is not exaggerated or the focus of the work).
Why is it them doing it but NOT showing it, or them showing it but NOT doing it, "acceptable" but them showing it and doing it isn't?
>In fact, it is extremely easy and rather reliable to tell through your initial reaction to a work.
So, it's porn is someone is aroused by it? You DO realize that people have fapped to Lego models and floor tiles, right? Does that mean that the Lego Company and tile manufactures are guilty of producing porn?
<But, muh extreme and isolated cases
It doesn't matter, the moment you start cracking down on part of it, you're not going to stop until you crack down on ALL of it. Yes, you're going to start by cracking down on the degenerates doing the pride parades and having sex while on floats, but what happens once you get rid of that? The goal is to ban ALL PORN, so you then go after the adult stores that sell sex toys and porn. Then, you decide to go after the strip clubs which aren't porn (As they still have clothes on), but does "encourage" that type of action and provide that need. Then, once those are gone, you still have Victoria's Secret and every other lingerie shop because "How dare they openly promote sexuality". Then you have all the films, shows, games, books, etc. that depict sexual actions (Even through innuendos), which means you have to purge most of the libraries and archives as you have even Shakespeare shamelessly inserting sexual innuendos into his works. And, that's also leaving out the fact that you're neglecting the real problems, as all evidence as pointed to porn actually causing a drop in sexual assaults and crime and making people more "sympathetic" to those of the opposite sex, which means crime is going up in the area while you're going on your crusade. But, with this rise in crime and social problems, you still clearly haven't solved the problem, so you start going after anything and everything that could possibly ever make someone's dick hard or cause their pussy to get wet.
>In the same way, I don't mind two types of NSFW art: that which is suggestive without being explicit (a character is in an inviting or embarrassing pose while covered, akin to old-fashioned pinup posters) and that which is explicit without being suggestive (a pony has realistic anatomy but it is not exaggerated or the focus of the work).
Why is it them doing it but NOT showing it, or them showing it but NOT doing it, "acceptable" but them showing it and doing it isn't?
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>>260056
An easy definition is "works depicting sexual organs or sexual acts and apparently designed for the purpose of sexual gratification." But we all know that you're just going to come up with some silly, obscure, or extreme example with the intention of muddying the issue, so a better definition is "you know it when you see it." Semantics is semitic. We're human beings with a sense of judgement, not robots who aren't capable of operating outside of strictly defined parameters.
>>260174
Oh, looks like I was right about you. No, it's not one small step from decrying BLACKED Raw to full-blown Sharia Law. No, the goal does not have to be "going after anything and everything that could possibly ever make someone's dick hard or cause their pussy to get wet." It's entirely possible to combat porn without going to ridiculous extremes. Hitler, for example, burned degenerate porno magazines while at the same time promoting tasteful nudity as an aesthetic, which of course serves to make nudity and acceptable expressions of sexuality less degenerate in and of themselves. There may indeed be parties who wish to take things further than that, into the realm of absurdity. So what? For any possible course of action imaginable, there will be people who support it; you can't take all of them seriously. Hitler had a solution for people like this too. Tell them to shut up. Tell them, "Hitherto shalt thou ban, but no further, and here shall thy proud laws be stayed."
And who the hell even said anything about outright banning porn in the first place? The porn industry has consistently resisted even extremely moderate proposals such as moving to .xxx domains so as to be easier for parents to blacklist them. Even movements which place no restrictions on the porn industry whatsoever, such as nofap, have been viciously decried by the jewish establishment as every kind of anti-* and *ism in the book for the crime of merely suggesting that maybe porn isn't healthy. A good start for OP's anti-porn movement would be merely to give parents the functional right to control the content that enters their own homes, or to give the victims of porn addiction the functional right to discuss their problems in peace. Or is that just one small step from banning Victoria's Secret catalogs too?
An easy definition is "works depicting sexual organs or sexual acts and apparently designed for the purpose of sexual gratification." But we all know that you're just going to come up with some silly, obscure, or extreme example with the intention of muddying the issue, so a better definition is "you know it when you see it." Semantics is semitic. We're human beings with a sense of judgement, not robots who aren't capable of operating outside of strictly defined parameters.
>>260174
Oh, looks like I was right about you. No, it's not one small step from decrying BLACKED Raw to full-blown Sharia Law. No, the goal does not have to be "going after anything and everything that could possibly ever make someone's dick hard or cause their pussy to get wet." It's entirely possible to combat porn without going to ridiculous extremes. Hitler, for example, burned degenerate porno magazines while at the same time promoting tasteful nudity as an aesthetic, which of course serves to make nudity and acceptable expressions of sexuality less degenerate in and of themselves. There may indeed be parties who wish to take things further than that, into the realm of absurdity. So what? For any possible course of action imaginable, there will be people who support it; you can't take all of them seriously. Hitler had a solution for people like this too. Tell them to shut up. Tell them, "Hitherto shalt thou ban, but no further, and here shall thy proud laws be stayed."
And who the hell even said anything about outright banning porn in the first place? The porn industry has consistently resisted even extremely moderate proposals such as moving to .xxx domains so as to be easier for parents to blacklist them. Even movements which place no restrictions on the porn industry whatsoever, such as nofap, have been viciously decried by the jewish establishment as every kind of anti-* and *ism in the book for the crime of merely suggesting that maybe porn isn't healthy. A good start for OP's anti-porn movement would be merely to give parents the functional right to control the content that enters their own homes, or to give the victims of porn addiction the functional right to discuss their problems in peace. Or is that just one small step from banning Victoria's Secret catalogs too?
>>260202
>A good start for OP's anti-porn movement would be merely to give parents the functional right to control the content that enters their own homes
The problem is cultural in that parents lack diligence and discipline in controlling this at all. CoD kiddies are an example of this: although ESRB labels and movie restrictions exist and children are not supposed to view such content, it's not uncommon for boomer parents to not even look at the back of the case. If they're not doing that then are they really going to be blocking internet access? You yourself may be a dutiful parent but it takes only one bad apple to spoil the bunch, which is why homeschooled kids are completely different in demeanor from those who go to public or even private schools. It's an extremely broad moral malignancy which cannot be solved by policy, whether that is a mandated domain extension or fully Puritanism. To curb white genocide and Globohomo it's necessary to BOTH encourage people to have more kids and to raise them the right way.
And of course childrearing, just as it is different across times is quite different across regions as well. In America, although (((Dr. Spock))) has had a large following, it is still considered less acceptable to expose kids to boobies than to people getting chopped up (I'd argue violence and sex are both inappropriate, but sex is more corrupting). Those I've talked to from Europe have the opposite opinion and think graphic nudity is fine for kids but blanche at the sight of a gun.
Of course, there is a whole spectrum between de Sade and Cromwell (this is a stream discussing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv3VI6oYR-A) and appealing to extremes is ridiculous. Nor should one try to place society somewhere in the middle "just because" but have an objective moral grounding for doing so such that society doesn't shift out of place. This is what we had before; only when a society adopts a different moral order or rejects moral order altogether can a radical shift take place (such as Puritanism in England or the rise of subjectivism in the West).
>A good start for OP's anti-porn movement would be merely to give parents the functional right to control the content that enters their own homes
The problem is cultural in that parents lack diligence and discipline in controlling this at all. CoD kiddies are an example of this: although ESRB labels and movie restrictions exist and children are not supposed to view such content, it's not uncommon for boomer parents to not even look at the back of the case. If they're not doing that then are they really going to be blocking internet access? You yourself may be a dutiful parent but it takes only one bad apple to spoil the bunch, which is why homeschooled kids are completely different in demeanor from those who go to public or even private schools. It's an extremely broad moral malignancy which cannot be solved by policy, whether that is a mandated domain extension or fully Puritanism. To curb white genocide and Globohomo it's necessary to BOTH encourage people to have more kids and to raise them the right way.
And of course childrearing, just as it is different across times is quite different across regions as well. In America, although (((Dr. Spock))) has had a large following, it is still considered less acceptable to expose kids to boobies than to people getting chopped up (I'd argue violence and sex are both inappropriate, but sex is more corrupting). Those I've talked to from Europe have the opposite opinion and think graphic nudity is fine for kids but blanche at the sight of a gun.
Of course, there is a whole spectrum between de Sade and Cromwell (this is a stream discussing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv3VI6oYR-A) and appealing to extremes is ridiculous. Nor should one try to place society somewhere in the middle "just because" but have an objective moral grounding for doing so such that society doesn't shift out of place. This is what we had before; only when a society adopts a different moral order or rejects moral order altogether can a radical shift take place (such as Puritanism in England or the rise of subjectivism in the West).
>>260202
>A good start for OP's anti-porn movement would be merely to give parents the functional right to control the content that enters their own homes
Don't give the kids a smartphone, restrict which media is on the shelf, don't give them access to the internet unsupervised. It's not that hard. But, then again, my "first" experience with porn was on the school computers, when I was search for pictures that related to Pikmin.
>A good start for OP's anti-porn movement would be merely to give parents the functional right to control the content that enters their own homes
Don't give the kids a smartphone, restrict which media is on the shelf, don't give them access to the internet unsupervised. It's not that hard. But, then again, my "first" experience with porn was on the school computers, when I was search for pictures that related to Pikmin.
>>260839
Please be more specific. Are you indicating 4chan /mlp/? The MLP fandom in general? Moreover, do you have any sauce to validate this position? At current there's no reason to discount your position, but as it is there's nothing actionable about it either. Try to be constructive next time.
Please be more specific. Are you indicating 4chan /mlp/? The MLP fandom in general? Moreover, do you have any sauce to validate this position? At current there's no reason to discount your position, but as it is there's nothing actionable about it either. Try to be constructive next time.
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